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Speaker 1: All right, So today our article is from the Record
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online dot com and it's the Times Herald Record headline.
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Prosecutors detail how they believe Tartaglioni killed his victims. This
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article was authored by Heather Yakin and it was originally
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published on September twenty fourth of two thousand and nineteen.
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White Plains, that's in Westchester, New York. After learning Martin
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Luna to a Chester bar and restraining Luna and three
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other victims, Nicholas Tartaglioni beat Luna, put a plastic zip
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tie around his neck and choked him to death, Prosecutors
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said in legal papers filed in White Plains Federal Court.
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Huh sounds familiar. Huh how did Epstein go, Oh, he
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was choked? Wasn't he? I know, just another coincidence. Obviously
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Tartaglioni isn't the guy who clipped him. That's not what
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I'm getting at here. The point is what was tartaglie
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doing in that jail cell in the first place? A
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lot of questions. Was he there to send a message,
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was he there to intimidate? What was he there for?
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The harrowing details were revealed in documents the US Attorney's
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Office for the Southern District of New York, filed in
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response to pre trial motions submitted to the court by
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Tartaglioni's defense team. The statements represent the first time the
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government has revealed how they believe Tartaglione of the town
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of Crawford killed Luna. Now, this is the crazy part
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of this story that is not really talked about too much,
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is that Luna is or was an operator for the cartel.
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Now I haven't really been able to find too much
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information about which cartel he was rolling with, but there
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are you know, the usual suspects. Obviously Sinaloa, you know CJNNG,
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you know Gulf car There's several different suspects. But from
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the little bit that I have been able to glean,
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it looks like he was connected to the Cinaloans in
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some regard. Now, you all know the deal down in
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Mexico when it comes to narco trafficking, and you know
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that they don't play games down there, and they're not
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certainly not playing no games with some gringo cop from America.
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So obviously Tartaglioni was brazen enough to clip this dude.
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So what that leads me to believe is Tartaglioni wasn't
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working on his own some sort of organization backing him.
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They were making a play and looking to move in
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on Luna and his production or moving of the product. Now, again,
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I'm not too sure all of the details of you know,
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Luna's operation or what was going on. But we're talking
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about multiple keys here, right, So we're not talking about
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small time operation. When we start getting into keys, multiple keys,
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especially a kilo is two point two pounds of cocaine,
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you're talking about a lot of blow. We're talking about,
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you know, a roughly twenty thousand dollars street value, twenty
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four thousand dollars street value. It all depends, but we're
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talking about a lot of money here. And if Luna
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was working as an operator for say, the Sinaloa cartel,
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and Tartaglioni moved in on him like this, you would
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think that Tartaglioni is for sure gonna be greenlit once
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he hits the yard in prison. Now, I am not
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too sure how that's gonna work out for him, if
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he's gonna go state, or if it'll end up being
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a federal crime probably state considering, but who knows what
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the government is gonna get up to. But if he
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ends up in state prison in New York, he'll definitely
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pi se up. If he ends up in federal prison,
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he'll definitely pc up. But the Mexican mafia and the cartel,
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they definitely work hand in hand. And anybody who thinks
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or tells you that the Hispanics aren't running the prison systems,
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they're lying to you because the Hispanic car is running
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the prison systems pretty much in the whole entire country.
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LAME is a very, very very powerful organization and they
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work hand in hand with people like the cartel. So
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you know all of those gangs with the thirteen after
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their names, Yeah, all of those gangs check in with LAME.
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So we're talking about a lot of gang members, a
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lot of hitters, and a lot of people that if
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there's a green light put on you, that are going
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to be looking to collect a scalp. So TARTAGLIONI knowing
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all of that, being a cop, obviously he understood all
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of that, still was brazen enough to clip this dude
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and three other people. So that leads me to believe
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that Tartaglioni was working with some sort of cla destined
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group that we are not aware of yet, the mafia,
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perhaps perhaps another cartel that was looking to move in
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and take over this business. Because again, look, you're gonna
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need a supplier, right if you're if you're selling weight,
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if you're moving weight, you're gonna need a supplier. You're
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gonna need somebody that can provide that weight for you
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to move. You're not nickel and diamond from the local
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drug dealer. So was Tartaglioni moving in to become the
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supplier with the help of somebody else. See, there's a
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lot to this story that we still don't know. Prosecutors
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have sought the death penalty against Tartaglioni fifty one, a
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former briarcliff manor police officer, in the abductions and deaths
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of Luna and three other Middletown men, Miguel Luna, Urbano
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Santiago and Hector Gutierrez. Assistant US attorneys Maureen Comy, Oh,
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we know that name, don't we and Jason Swergold wroteen
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they're filing that the government will prove the case trial
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based on testimony from witnesses, physical evidence, surveillance videos, phone records,
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text messages, and other documentary evidence. So it looks like
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they got the goods on Old Boy, right, And now again,
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ask yourself, after all we've just talked about here and
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us just being you know, novices, We don't work for
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the prison department or anything like that. Does it sound
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like a good idea to put this guy in a
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cell with Jeffrey Epstein? On what planet? Is that a
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good idea? On April twenty sixteen, prosecutors say Tartaglioni lured
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Luna to Liquid Lounge in Chester because he believed that
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Luna had stolen money meant to buy cocaine. The defendant
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planned to hold Luna at the Liquid Lounge, where he
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would attempt to force Luna to disclose the location of
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the stolen money and would kill Luna if he refused
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to return the money. The defendant enlisted others to assist
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him with this plan. Secutors wrote in the paper, again,
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this isn't something that was just concocted overnight by Tartaglioni, right,
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This is probably a plan that was laid out, and
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to me it looks like there is or was a
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dispute about product, about who was going to provide product
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and who was going to middleman that product once it
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arrived on site. So this is how you get a
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lot of the violence in the war on drugs when
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you have people battling over turf oversupply and who is
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going to move that supply once it drops into their lap,
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And a lot of times you end up with big
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time violence, folks. When there's a power struggle or when
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there's a move to remove the middleman and become that
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middleman yourself. There's always a struggle to do that. I
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shouldn't say always, because sometimes you can just you know,
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make your move more powerful than the other guy or whatever,
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and you make your move. But for the most part,
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there's alway a struggle there, and it looks like that's
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what was going on here in my opinion anyway. Because
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Luna was unaware of the true nature of the meeting,
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he brought three companions with him on April eleventh, twenty sixteen,
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his nephew Urbano Santiago, his nephew Miguel Luna, and his
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friend Hector Gutierrez. The defendant and his co conspirators did
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not expect the other three victims to accompany Luna to
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the Liquid Lounge. When the victims arrived at the Liquid Lounge,
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all four were physically restrained and not permitted to leave
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the premises. Sounds exactly like the way the cartel operates
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in Mexico. Huh, sounds like TARTAGLIONI sure how a blueprint
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he was working out of. And again I don't know
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who he was working with, but he has to get
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the product from somewhere. If he's slang in cocaine, you
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know that if he's moving weight, inevitably he's gonna come
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into contact with an associate of the cartel. If you're
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moving weight, that's just the way it goes. It was
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cocaine especially, There's just no way around it. If you're
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doing cocaine, or you're selling cocaine, or that shit came
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through Mexico, Folks, one carteller or the other safeguarded that
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all the way through the border, got it to America
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into the hands of your dope dealer, and then write
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up your old nose. But the fact remains, some cartel
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in Mexico was handling that blow at some point. Prosecutors say,
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TARTAGLIONI repeatedly struck Martin Luna then eventually put a plastic
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zip tie around Luna's neck and pulled it tight, choking
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Luna and ultimately killing him again. This is the guy
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you want to put in his cell with Jeffrey Epstein.
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This is the guy that you're gonna put in there
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with such a high profile inmate. Who made that decision?
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And why isn't that man or woman fired from their job?
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You mean to tell me that person isn't held responsible
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for that boneheaded decision? How come you and I have
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to be responsible at our jobs for our behavior. How
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come I have to be responsible for everything I say
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on this podcast? But these dudes don't have to be
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responsible for something like that. It's a joke, an absolute travesty,
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and there's no accountability whatsoever anytime something like this goes wrong.
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Tartaglioni took Luna's body to his property on Old Mountain
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Road near Otisville, and his co conspirators brought the other
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three men, still alive and bound to the property. Prosecutors wrote,
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Now imagine the other three dudes how they feel they
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just see their boy get choked to death with the
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zip tie. They're all restrained, they're all held at gunpoint.
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Now they're being transferred to some farm somewhere. Especially dudes
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that are from Mexico, they understand what's happening right now.
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This is a typical cartel tactic. Cartel swoop up, snatch
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a bunch of people that are operator for another organization,
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torture one had the others watch torture, the next have
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the others watch. Oh did I mention though, that the
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cartel's film all of this so that they can brag
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about it and put it on the internet to intimidate
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their ops, because that's what the cartel does. Stretch. Seems
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like TARTAGLIONI was taking a page out of their book here, right,
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except obviously, I don't think anyway that there was any
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videotaping going on. Upon arriving at Otisville property, the three
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remaining victims were each shot in the back of the
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head and killed. The prosecutors wrote, the defendant personally shot
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one of the three victims himself. So again, what sort
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of cold calculated scumbag do you have to be to
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engage in this sort of behavior. First of all, kill
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somebody with a zip tie, you know, how.
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Speaker 2: Brutal that must be.
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Speaker 1: It's like a garrot. Think about that for a minute.
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The force that must be needed with one of those
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zip ties to choke the life out of somebody. That's
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a fucking brutal way to go. And this is the
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guy you're gonna put int Jeffrey Epstein's cell. Then all
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of a sudden, you put this guy in the cell
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of Epstein. Now Epstein's assaulted, he says, But oh, we
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might have tried to commit suicide, and everybody's just gonna
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default and think, ah, Epstein tried to kill himself. Don't
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make no sense to me, that line of thought. Don't
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make no sense to me whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Folks.
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Speaker 1: This is a violent a violent man who had no
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business ever being in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein. The
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four men were buried in a mass grave on the property.
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Their families reported them missing, and police in Chester soon
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found the vehicle. They drove to Chester part near a diner.
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Federal prosecutors, the FBI, and state police joined the investigation.
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They arrested our Taglione on December nineteenth, twenty sixteen, and
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recovered the bodies the next day. So that dude had
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himself a nice little Christmas huh, and then languishing in
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jail from twenty sixteen all the way through twenty nineteen.
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Why was he even still at mcc Why hasn't this
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dude's child been over and done with and convicted and gone, Oh,
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that's right, that the pause the trial over the Epstein stuff,
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didn't they? You know, folks, there's a whole lot here
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to unpack. The whole Tartaglionee situation has smelled completely off
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and weird to me from the jump. Now again, I'm
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not saying Tartaglioni killed Epstein, that's ridiculous. My statement is
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why was he put in there in the first place.
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That's the question, and there's no logical answer for it.
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The papers filed by prosecutors also include a transcript of
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conversations between Tartaglioni and state police investigators who picked him
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up near his home on Long Lane in the town
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of Crawford. They had stopped his wife in the jeep
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she was driving, using her ruse to get Tartaglioni to them.
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They told her they were investigating a road rage case
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and asked her to call her husband to come meet
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them on the roadway. Imagine that, huh, cops going after cops.
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That's nice change. According to the documents, Tartaglioni initially told
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the investigators I'm a cop. He agreed to the troopers.
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He agreed to go to the trooper barracks to discuss
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the road rage. Investigators activated a recorder in their vehicle
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before Tartaglioni entered.
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Speaker 2: So I guess he's such.
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Speaker 1: A scumbag that he was road raging so often that
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they could just use that as an excuse to have
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him come down.
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Speaker 2: I mean, who road rages these days?
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Speaker 1: What the hell is wrong with you? Dude? Calm down,
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take it easy. Immediately after Investigator Hammer entered the car,
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and without prompting, the defendants spontaneously stated, this is about
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road rage. This is about the missing Mexicans, isn't it.
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Prosecutors wrote in their papers. They told him they needed
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his help finding the missing men, and they spoke to
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him on the drive about his interactions with the men.
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Prosecutors wrote, and you would think Tartaglioni would know better,
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being a cop himself than to run his fat yeap.
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But here we are a lot of these people, with
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these narcissism problems. They just can't help themselves. According to
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the transcript, Tartaglioni told police he knew Martin, Luna and
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one of the other men because they worked for him
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on the Old Mountain Road property, helping to put up horses,
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horse fences, and other jobs for a dog and horse
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animal rescue Tartaglioni and his wife ran. He said he
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had sold Luna in old Mercedes suv, but Luna hadn't
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paid and returned the suv, and he suspected Luna was
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involved in drugs and the cartel. Oh, he suspected. Huh,
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you knew exactly what Luna was involved in, Tartaglioni, or
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as they used to call you in the neighbor tat tat.
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Speaker 2: You knew what you were up to.
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Speaker 1: You knew that this dude was in the cartel, and
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you knew that you were making a move. Tartaglioni said
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he hadn't seen the men since March, but knew from
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the news that four men were missing. He said he'd
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heard the two of them were in Mexico, and he
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suggested that the men of the men might have taken
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off for Colombia.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense Colombia. Why would Mexican nationals
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take off to Colombia. They would go back to Mexico,
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to their people, back to their cartel, back to their enclave.
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They wouldn't take off to Mexico. At the barracks, police
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read Tartaglionia's rights and questioned him for about forty seven minutes,
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at which point he invoked the right to a lawyer,
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prosecutors wrote. The investigators protested him for arrest and took
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him to White Plains Federal court for presentment on the
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murder charges.
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Speaker 2: So that's the.
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Speaker 1: Guy, folks, that they put in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein,
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and they knew who he was. Twenty sixteen, this all occurred.
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So again I'm not sitting here saying tartag Leoni killed Epstein.
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That's ridiculous. We know that didn't occur. But did he
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assault him that first time? Was he there to pass
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on a message? What in the hell was somebody facing
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a four time murder rap doing in his cell with
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dorky ass, bitch ass Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 2: That is the question.
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at Bobby Kopuuchi at Protonmeil dot com. That's Bobby cap
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Epstein Show. All of the links that go with this
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episode can be found in description box. All right, folks
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will see what happens later on today. If there's some
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news to get to, I most certainly will be back
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later on tonight. If not, you know, tomorrow morning is
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where you will find me. All Right, everybody, I hope
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you all have a fantastic day. What's up everyone, and
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welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. A recent report by
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the AP detailed the lead up to Jeffrey Epstein's death
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and what happened in the aftermath. The only problem is, well,
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they forgot a few key points, and one of those
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key points is the fact that Jeffrey Epstein set himself,
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that he was attacked physically by Nicholas Tartaglioni, But there
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was no mention of that in the AP report, and
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no mention of Tartaglioni at all. You would think that
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this guy who shared a cell with Epstein the first
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time around when Epstein allegedly tried to kill himself would
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be a topic of conversation, especially consider we've never had
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any real answers about Tartaglioni or what he was doing
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in that jail cell. Can anyone explain why a man
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charged with four homicides is in a jail cell with
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one of the most protected or should be protected people
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in the whole entire prison system, and then the audacity
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to act like nothing happened in that jail cell, to
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act like Jeffrey Epstein tried to kill himself that first
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time around in that jail cell, when we have no
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video corroboration, we have nobody in the jail cell with
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them but him in Tartaglioni and Epstein tells one story,
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and Tartaglioni told a different story. But we're gonna believe
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what Nicholas Tartaglioni said.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't buy it.
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Speaker 1: And for me, Tartaglioni was put in that jail cell
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to send a message, and that message to Jeffrey Epstein was, look,
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either we're gonna do it or you're going to do it,
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you decide, And Tartaglioni was the vehicle for that message
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to get there. What other excuse is there for him
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being in that jail cell, well, for the cameras being broken,
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and then for the authorities in the jail to largely
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just ignore Epstein saying that he was assaulted by Tartaglioni.
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The jail said that, you know, they performed their investigation
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and they found no evidence that Tartaglioni assaulted Epstein, and
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their evidence for that, well, just trust us. That's basically
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what they've told us throughout this whole entire thing. And
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if you want to trust them, that is most certainly
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your business. Me personally, I don't trust a word that
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these people are telling me, especially when it comes to
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what happened to Epstein in.
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Speaker 2: That jail cell.
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Speaker 1: Today, we're gonna go back to twenty nineteen and we're
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going to take a look at an article from Fox
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News headline Jeffrey Epstein feared cellmate, a muscle bound X
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cop charged in murder who was moved before the financier's death.
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This article was authored by Nicole Dara, a hulking X
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cop facing the death penalty. On federal murder and drug charges.
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Was reportedly Jeffrey Epstein's cell mate at Manhattan's Metropolitan Correctional Center,
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and an official says Epstein might have feared the former
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police officer who was questioned after the disgraced financier Pedophiles
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apparent suicide attempt last month, and who was transferred out
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of Epstein's cell shortly before the sixty six year old
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died on Saturday. So again, I ask you, what the
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hell was this guy doing in the jail cell with
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Jeffrey Epstein in the first place. Has anyone ever answered
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that question? Don't you think that's kind of important? Don't
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you think that the AP when they're digging into their story,
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would want to know a little bit more about what
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went down in that cell that first time around, Because
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I have a hard time believing that Epstein tried to
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kill himself in that cell with Tartaglioni present, especially considering
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if we're gonna believe Tartaglioni's story of him being this
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white knight. If that's the case, why did he even
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let get to the point where Epstein had anything around
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his neck? Have you seen how big this dude is?
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He could have picked Epstein up and broke him in half.
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So you wait until Epstein is basically choking himself, and
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then you intervene. How does that make sense to anybody?
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It doesn't. And that's the story that they've pitched this
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whole entire time. So I don't know how people have
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bought it. I don't know how people continue to buy it.
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And I don't know how people are so willing to
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believe the official narrative here that Epstein committed suicide. Again, look,
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I am very agnostic about it. I am willing to
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follow the evidence wherever it goes. But before we get
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to the end, we have to start at the beginning.
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And still, the very beginning of all of this, when
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Epstein allegedly tried to commit suicide, started with Nicholas Tartaglioni
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in that gel cell. So anyone who's not starting at
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that point is missing a gigantic piece of the story.
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And now the real question becomes, why was Tartaglioni in
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that jail cell and who placed him there? Nobody has
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ever told us that either, So that's pretty important. Let's
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find too put him in that jail cell and put
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them under oath and ask them why. Nicholas Tartaglioni, who
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had been a briarcliff manor cop in Westchester County, New York,
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was charged in twenty sixteen with the deaths of four
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men stemming from an alleged cocaine drug conspiracy. Epstein was
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housed at the MCC federal lockup with the fifty one
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year old former cop after his July arrest for sex trafficking.
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Tartaglioni's attorney told Fox News on Monday, Tartaglioni was transferred
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out of Epstein's cell in the Facility, a special housing unit,
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a heavily secured part of the MCC that separates high
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profile inmates from the general population. After epstein was placed
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on suicide watch. Tartaglioni's attorney, Bruce Barkett, said it was
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not clear why he was transferred. Oh, I'll tell you why.
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They wanted him out of dodge. And you see that
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Nicholas Tartaglioni, Well, he didn't get the death penalty, right,
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I wonder why was there some sort of deal worked out.
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He doesn't talk about what happened in that jail cell.
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And we won't pursue the death penalty. Look, I don't
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know what kind of deal they worked out, but a
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guy who kills people in cold blood the way Tartaglioni did,
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you would think that a guy like that should get
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the death penalty, right, or at the very least not
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be in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. But I
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guess I'm the asshole for asking these questions.
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Speaker 2: Huh.
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Speaker 1: The most recent inmate of sign to Epstein's cell was
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transferred on Friday, just hours before his death, a source said,
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and just a coincidence as well, Right, the next roommate
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gets transferred out, and then a few hours later Epstein
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kills himself. Nothing to see here, folks, just systemic errors.
24:53
There's nothing else going on here. Nobody just you know,
24:56
fell asleep at the switch on purpose or anything like that.
25:00
Speaker 2: A little more than.
25:00
Speaker 1: Two weeks before his death, Epstein was placed on suicide
25:03
watch and required to have daily psychiatric evaluations after being
25:08
discovered in his cell semi unconscious with bruising on his neck.
25:13
Epstein was recently taken off suicide watch, but it was
25:16
not clear when. A source familiar with the matter told
25:20
Fox News, well, that's because breaking news. He wasn't suicidal. Okay,
25:25
how much more clear do we have to be? He
25:27
didn't tell one single person that he was going to
25:30
kill himself. So I don't even understand where this whole
25:33
oh ye suicidal thing comes from, unless, of course it's
25:37
part of the crafted narrative, and the cynic in me says, well,
25:41
it certainly is, because there's no other excuse for them
25:45
not just being completely honest with what happened here. Can
25:48
we get a full accounting please about Nicholas Tartaglioni. Is
25:52
there ever going to be some sort of congressional hearing
25:56
that calls all of these people to the carpet. Of
25:58
course there's not going to be, and that's because they
26:01
have to protect all their buddies.
26:02
Speaker 2: Right.
26:04
Speaker 1: Though a suicide attempt was suspected of causing the injuries,
26:07
sources at the time told WNBC that authorities hadn't ruled
26:11
out an assault on Epstein, and an inmate identified as
26:14
Tartaglioni was questioned about the incident. Tartaglioni reportedly told officials
26:20
he didn't see anything related to the apparent suicide attempt
26:24
and maintained he didn't touch Epstein. Barkett said the two
26:27
men were in the same unit and doing well, adding
26:30
rumors Tartaglioni may have attacked Epstein are absolutely not true.
26:35
So they're in a jail cell together, but he didn't
26:37
see anything at all, and he didn't touch Epstein.
26:40
Speaker 2: Who believes this? Do you believe it? I don't.
26:43
Speaker 1: I guess the jail officials did, though, because you know,
26:45
they just let him off. We're gonna have a talk
26:47
with Tartaglioni and if he tells us he didn't do this, fine,
26:50
we're gonna let him off because you know, a guy
26:52
who's in jail for a quadruple homicide is obviously the
26:56
bastion of truth and somebody that can be trusted to
26:59
tell you the truth said nobody ever. Any suggestion that
27:03
mister Tartaglioni assaulted anyone is a complete fabrication, Barket said
27:08
in a statement. According to The Journal News, this story
27:11
is being leaked to retaliate against mister Tartaglioni for complaining
27:16
to the court about the deplorable conditions at the mcc Oh.
27:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
27:22
Speaker 1: Retaliation because Tartaglioni complained, mister Tartaglioni is an absolute choir
27:28
boy and certainly not capable of ever causing harm to anybody. Right,
27:32
just ask Martin Luna's family about Nicholas Tartaglioni. Barkett suggested
27:38
the allegations about his client may have been leaked by
27:41
someone trying to embarrass Epstein and cast some shade on Nick.
27:45
Speaker 2: Nobody leaked anything.
27:46
Speaker 1: Okay, your client, Nicholas Tartaglioni assaulted Jeffrey Epstein. That's my position,
27:52
And after all these years and all this evidence, that
27:55
position is only growing stronger. In fact, the law enforcement
27:59
so Horse told the New York Daily News last month
28:02
that Tartaglioni claimed that he helped Epstein after he found
28:05
him unconscious in his cell during his reported suicide attempt.
28:09
After he found him unconscious, where were they in the
28:12
Serengetti the cells like six x ten. He didn't have
28:16
to go on an expedition to the Himalayas to find Epstein, Okay,
28:20
So don't give me that he had no idea what
28:22
was going on. He was sitting there right in the cell.
28:24
If Epstein was going to kill himself in that jail cell.
28:27
TARTAGLIONI watched it from the very beginning, and if he
28:30
wanted to stop him, he would have stopped them at
28:33
the very beginning. But he didn't do that, right and
28:35
why not, Well, because he's the one who assaulted Epstein.
28:39
Now run home and tell that the source seemingly confirmed
28:43
Barket's assertions about the deplorable conditions at the facility, which
28:47
border on inhumane. The attorney described the Fox News on Monday.
28:52
At the end of the day, the facility is run
28:54
with a bad combination of laziness and cruelty, and this
28:58
is one of the results. Barket's sais noting he hopes
29:01
the investigation into Epstein's apparent suicide includes the manner in
29:06
which the facility is run and the conditions under which
29:09
inmates are forced to live. There's no doubt that it
29:12
was run completely terribly and that the facility should have
29:16
been shut down, But that doesn't explain what happened in
29:20
that jail cell and leading up to Jeffrey Epstein's death.
29:23
Way too many coincidences that have not been explained. If
29:27
you can explain those coincidences with facts, I am all ears.
29:31
You've got a guy who is a millionaire who is
29:33
now living among rats and mold and wants to go home.
29:36
The sword said, this is a disgusting place, and people
29:40
there they treat you disgusting. Who wouldn't be suicidal in
29:43
that kind of place. You have a silver spoon in
29:45
your mouth, and then you're put in a cesspool. And
29:48
that's what they've tried to say from the beginning, that
29:51
because Epstein was some rich guy, there's no way that
29:53
he could live in the conditions that he was living in,
29:56
and those conditions forced him to commit suicide.
30:00
Speaker 2: I do not believe that.
30:01
Speaker 1: I think that Epstein thought he was going to get out,
30:04
and I think that he was working towards getting released.
30:08
Speaker 2: So why would a guy with.
30:09
Speaker 1: All that money, all that power, all that influence kill himself,
30:13
especially when it comes on the back end of him
30:16
obviously being assaulted in this jail cell. Barkett didn't dispute
30:21
what Tartaglioni allegedly claimed. He did tell the Daily News
30:25
his client and Epstein became more than cordial, and even
30:28
went so far to say that the two became friends.
30:31
Highly doubt that convenient too, right, Oh yeah, look, me
30:36
and Epstein, we were pals, says Tartaglioni. As Epstein's dead.
30:40
Nobody there to refute that, so why not run with
30:43
that narrative. The attorney told Fox News on Monday that
30:47
there was no reason for Epstein to fear Tartaglioni, and
30:51
his sense is he did not fear Nick. Well, Epstein
30:54
said differently, So we should listen to what Barkett says,
30:57
but not what Epstein told the officials and their lawyers. Okay,
31:01
I guess, but regardless, Epstein indeed might have been trying
31:05
to get away from Tartaglioni. Eojung, the National president of
31:09
the Council of Prison Locals C thirty three, told The
31:13
Washington Post. Tartaglioni is awaiting trial after investigators said he
31:18
was involved in the kidnapping and killing of four men
31:21
in twenty sixteen. In February twenty eighteen, while being held
31:26
at MCC, Tartaglioni himself was assaulted, The Journal News reported.
31:32
In the twenty eighteen attack, Barkett said Tartaglioni required reconstructive
31:36
surgery after an eye socket bone was fractured. The attorney
31:41
said at the time in the special housing unit at
31:43
MCC where Epstein later was also housed, TARTAGLIONI was quite
31:48
literally in a box, staring at walls. Not surprisingly, his
31:52
mental health has declined well. He was found guilty of
31:55
these crimes. So hope you enjoy the box, TARTAGLIONI. You're
31:58
gonna be there for the rest of.
31:59
Speaker 2: Your miserable life.
32:01
Speaker 1: Federal prosecutors reportedly planned to seek the death penalty against Tartaglione.
32:06
Oh convenient right that Merrick Garland steps in and stops
32:10
the death penalty from taking place here, I know, I know,
32:13
just another coincidence. Epstein was being held on child sex
32:19
trafficking and conspiracy charges after his July arrest. Prosecutors said
32:24
he sexually abused dozens of young girls in his New
32:27
York and Florida residences between two thousand and two and
32:30
two thousand and five. Epstein pleaded not guilty and faced
32:34
up the forty five years in prison if convicted. Famous,
32:38
high profile and notorious prisoners, as well as those accused
32:41
of sex crimes against children, are often given extra protection
32:46
against attacks from other prisoners, but it was not immediately
32:49
clear what specific precautions if any were taken. In Epstein's case,
32:54
none were taken. Okay, they put him in GP. For
32:57
God's sakes, why would you put somebody like this in GP. Now,
33:01
obviously they moved them off of GP, but it shows
33:04
you right from the very beginning what was going on here.
33:07
And while there were systemic failures, it's rather obvious that
33:11
to me anyway, Tartaglioni assaulted Jeffrey Epstein in that jail cell.
33:15
Epstein was afraid of Tartaglioni, and the MCC and the DOJ.
33:21
They ignored what Epstein had to say, and then, after
33:24
an investigation that obviously didn't include any eyewitnesses or cameras,
33:29
the DOJ and the officials at the MCC walked away
33:32
from it all saying, you know what, Yeah, Epstein tried
33:35
to kill himself, nothing to do with Tartaglioni, a four
33:38
time murderer who's in his cell.
33:41
Speaker 2: And then they expected you to believe it.
33:43
Speaker 1: The only problem is nobody's buying it, all right, folks,
33:47
that's gonna do it for this one. All of the
33:49
information that goes with the episode can be found in
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the description box. What's Up everyone, and welcome back to
33:56
the Epstein chronicles. When we talk about Jeffrey Epstein's first
34:02
alleged attempt at suicide while he was in a cell
34:05
with Nicholas Tartaglioni, there are a lot of questions that
34:09
still have not been answered, and one of them that
34:12
I have always asked is how is it that the
34:15
Department of Justice, the Bureau of Prisons can clear Nicholas
34:19
Tartaglioni of any wrongdoing when the video doesn't even exist
34:24
of what happened in that cell, especially considering we know
34:27
what Epstein said had happened. Epstein, for a quick review,
34:32
said that he was assaulted by Nicholas Tartaglioni. That's what
34:35
he told his lawyers. But we get the narrative that
34:40
he attempted to kill himself, and Nicholas Tartaglioni, acting in
34:44
his role as batman, the caped crusader, I guess, flew
34:47
in to save the day and helped Epstein. But if
34:51
we are looking at it with a clearer head, if
34:54
that's the case, and Tartaglioni was interested in helping Epstein
34:58
not hurt himself, why would he let Epstein get to
35:01
the point of even having any sort of device or
35:04
contraption wrapped around his neck. Wouldn't logic dictate that if
35:10
he wanted Epstein not to hurt himself, he wouldn't let
35:13
him do that in the first place. Considering how big
35:15
he is, considering how strong he is, he could stop
35:18
Epstein in a moment's notice. But he waits for Epstein
35:22
to begin to hang himself and then steps in as
35:25
this superhero, and all of the video just happens to disappear.
35:30
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that.
35:33
Speaker 2: Folks.
35:34
Speaker 1: Now, if other people out there believe it, hey, I'm
35:36
not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying personally, I have
35:39
a very very hard time believing that. So today, once
35:43
again hopping in that time machine, and we're gonna spin
35:46
back to twenty nineteen August sixteenth. Today we have an
35:50
article by NBC News author Rich Shapiro Jonathan dentst headline,
35:57
Jeffrey Epstein's former cellmate cleared of wrongdoing an incident that
36:02
preceded his death. The disclosure deepens the mystery over why
36:06
Epstein was removed from Suicide Watch in the days before
36:09
he apparently took his own life. Jeffrey Epstein's former cellmate,
36:14
was cleared of any wrongdoing in the incident that left
36:17
Epstein semi unconscious in his cell three weeks before his death,
36:21
According to the cellmate's lawyer and the source familiar with
36:24
the matter, Boy, that's nice. Hell of a job by
36:27
the Department of Corrections. Huh, hell of a job by
36:30
them to clear a guy that shouldn't have been in
36:32
the cell with him in the first place, without any
36:34
evidence to do so. Just going on his word, I
36:36
guess the disclosure amounts to the strongest indication to date
36:41
that Epstein tried to take his own life on July
36:43
twenty third, and deepens the mystery over why he was
36:47
removed from suicide Watch in the days before his death, unless,
36:51
of course, Tartaglioni was sent in there to send him
36:53
a message now again speculation, But was Tartaglione sent in
36:58
there to tell Epstein, Look, bro, we can get to you.
37:01
Either you're gonna kill yourself or we're gonna kill you
37:04
now again. Look, I don't know if that's what went down,
37:07
but is that so far out of the realm of
37:10
possibility considering everything we know here Tartaglioni should have never
37:15
been in that cell. This is a four time loser
37:17
for homicide, a man who was caught with contraband in
37:20
his cell previously to this happening, and then he gets
37:23
moved to be with the highest profile inmate in the
37:25
whole lock up. Yeah, we're gonna need some explanations, folks. Epstein,
37:33
the disgraced financier at pedophile who was facing federal sex
37:36
trafficking charges, was placed under suicide watch after he was
37:40
found in a fetal position with marks around his neck
37:43
inside the cell he was sharing with Nicholas Tartaglioni, a
37:46
former upstate New York police officer facing quadruple murder charges.
37:51
Oh so, Westchester County is upstate now, folks, Westchester County
37:55
is Yonkers and Irvington and not really upstate. I guess
37:59
for me, upstate would be more like Clifton Park or
38:02
you know, aubeny or something. The incident at Manhattan's Metropolitan
38:07
Correctional Center was being investigated as a possible suicide, attempt, assault,
38:12
or ruse by Epstein to get himself transferred to a
38:15
different facility after he was denied bail on the sex
38:18
trafficking charges, officials said at the time. So, look, dude,
38:23
I don't believe any of that. Okay, I think that
38:28
Tartaglioni assault at Epstein.
38:29
Speaker 2: That's what I believe.
38:31
Speaker 1: And unless they can show me the videotape that proves otherwise,
38:35
that's what I'm gonna continue to believe, because what sort
38:37
of investigation can you possibly have done. Oh, we talked
38:41
to both of them and we decided that, well, we
38:43
want to believe Nicholas Tartaglioni. Ah, yeah, because you know,
38:46
he's such a believable guy. It's like walking into a
38:50
room and trying to decide who you're gonna believe the
38:53
Taliban or isis. But Tartaglioni's lawyer, Bruce Barket, told NBC
39:00
News that the day before Epstein's death, officials at the
39:03
MCC informed him in an email that the internal investigation
39:07
had concluded and his client would face no charges or
39:11
internal discipline because it would look bad on them. They'd
39:14
have to answer questions, right, why was he in the
39:16
cell in the first place, Why do you have Epstein
39:18
not in a secure area?
39:19
Speaker 2: Why is he off suicide watch?
39:21
Speaker 1: And they didn't want to answer any of those questions.
39:23
So instead what they'll say is, nothing like that happened.
39:26
Epstein tried to kill himself. We've always maintained and Nick
39:32
did nothing wrong, and that's clearly been born out here
39:35
by the jail itself. Barkett said, Ah, well, you know,
39:38
because those internal investigations, they're so thorough, and they always
39:42
come back and implicate people who they were investigating. Said
39:46
nobody ever, you could take your internal investigation and shove
39:51
it for all I care. How about an independent investigation.
39:54
You know, an independent board comes in, independent investigators and
39:58
they take a look. I'll never let it happen, though,
40:01
because they don't want to be exposed. The problem for them, though,
40:05
is their behavior is exposing them. A person familiar with
40:11
the case confirmed that Barket's account is correct, and a
40:15
spokesman for the MCC declined comment. Of course they did,
40:19
and they'll continue to do that. Oh, we have no comment.
40:21
We don't know what happened here. It's still under investigation.
40:25
Federal prison officials have released no information on the July
40:28
twenty third incident. Prison experts said the decision to take
40:32
Epstein off suicide watch, where he would have been placed
40:35
in a special cell and observed on a round the
40:38
clock basis would have been more appropriate if the incident
40:41
was determined to be an assault as opposed to be
40:44
an attempt on his own life. So again, if he
40:48
tried to commit suicide, why did you take him off
40:50
suicide Watch? So for me, all signs point to this
40:53
being an assault in this jail cell. I can't fully
40:56
confirm that. However, what this means is that whatever happened
41:01
to Epstein was inflicted on himself, said Cameron Lindsay, a
41:04
former warden at four federal facilities. And it looks like
41:08
a pretty straightforward case if someone who wanted to die.
41:11
Oh well, says the warden who has skin in the game.
41:14
I don't ever trust these ex officials as far as
41:17
I can throw them. Most of them come out and
41:19
just do public relations cover ups for their old institutions.
41:25
Lindsay said the prudent safe decision would have been to
41:27
kept him, to keep him on suicide watch watch. Gosh,
41:31
if I were him, I want to be dead, and
41:33
I'm sure there are multiple multitude of people that would
41:36
have wanted him to be dead.
41:37
Speaker 2: Lindsay said.
41:38
Speaker 1: It's corrections one oh one oh I'm glad that you
41:40
know everything about this, mister Lindsay. Who the hell is
41:44
this Lindsay guy? Anyway, the prudent safe decision would have
41:47
been to keep him on suicide Watch. Well, why was
41:49
he off? Why was Tartaglioni in the jail cell in
41:51
the first place. Until somebody answers that question, I don't
41:55
want to hear about any of the other nonsense. Epstein,
41:58
sixty six, died Saturday in an apparent suicide in his
42:02
cell in a special housing unit where he was supposed
42:05
to be checked every thirty minutes. The death has brought
42:08
increased scrutiny on the federal prison system, with lawmakers demanding
42:12
answers on how a high profile inmate facing up the
42:16
forty five years in prison could be left alone after
42:19
a previous incident that raised questions about his emotional state. Well,
42:23
my guess is this. He was assaulted. The prison didn't
42:27
want you to know that, so they said it was suicide.
42:29
But they stepped on their own foot because Jeffrey Epstein
42:33
was taken off of suicide Watch and then he ended
42:36
up dead. So when you start with the lies, you
42:38
got to keep them going, right. The FBI and the
42:42
Justice Department Office of Inspector General are investigating the circumstances
42:46
of Epstein's death at the MCC. The judge overseeing the
42:51
federal sex trafficking case asked for details of the incident
42:54
after the MCC's warden filed legal papers to officially inform
42:58
the court of Epstein's deay. What an absolute nightmare this
43:02
has been from Jump Street. I remember as it was unfolding,
43:06
watching it in real time and shaking my head every
43:08
five minutes, asking myself, what in the hell is going
43:11
on here? How can any of this be a legitimate
43:14
way to go about an investigation. One open question, among others,
43:21
is whether the investigations referenced in your letter will include
43:24
the incident at MCC involving mister Epstein on or about
43:28
July twenty third, twenty nineteen. Judge Richard Berman wrote in
43:33
his response dated August twelfth, to my knowledge, it has
43:36
never been definitively explained what the BOP concluded about that incident.
43:41
The warden, who has since been reassigned from the facility,
43:44
responded the same day, but offered no new information. Of course, not,
43:48
of course, not, because they're never going to give us
43:50
the real information. And that's the saddest part about all
43:53
of this. They don't want to look bad, so instead
43:58
of bringing it to light so that the problems can
44:00
be fixed, they'd rather just cover it up. And that's
44:03
basically what this is at this point, right, a cover up.
44:06
Speaker 2: So you need to.
44:07
Speaker 1: Tell me that this Warden la mean and Die should
44:10
have been shuffled to a different facility. He shouldn't have
44:13
just faced the music and been held accountable for all
44:16
of this. I can confirm that an internal investigation was
44:22
completed regarding the July twenty third, twenty nineteen incident. The
44:26
current investigations by the FBI and the OIG will include
44:30
this incident as well, wrote the Warden la Mean and I. Accordingly,
44:35
I cannot divulge any information about the private the private
44:38
investigation at this time. And that's to Congress he's talking
44:41
to imagine us trying to get information from these people.
44:45
They don't want to give you any information because it
44:48
makes them look bad.
44:50
Speaker 2: And then it's even.
44:51
Speaker 1: Worse when we find out shit went wrong and nobody
44:54
fixed anything.
44:55
Speaker 2: So it's just the same old stuff. We should just
44:58
expect the same exact.
44:59
Speaker 1: Thing to happen over and over and over again, because
45:03
obviously it's not a big enough problem for them to
45:05
address it. Meanwhile, the rest of us are sitting here
45:10
saying to ourselves, how could something like this possibly even happen?
45:14
And how can it be that they're still obfuscating the
45:17
truth all these years later? All Right, folks, it's gonna
45:22
do it for this one. If you'd like to contact me,
45:25
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