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From Brazil to Virtual Victory: Gabriela Guerra's E-Cycling Journey · Zone2Speak Podcast

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All right. In this inspiring episode of Zone to Speak, I sit down with the incredible Gabriela Guerra,
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Brazilian endurance athlete, coach, and 2024 UCI Esports Vice World Champion.
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From her roots in Brazil to standing on the virtual podium at the eSports World
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Championships, Gabriela has made a powerful mark in both online racing and at
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the broader endurance world.
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She's not only a fierce competitor, but also a dedicated mentor and a passionate
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voice for representation in the sport.
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We dive into her journey from discovering cycling to becoming one of the top
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athletes in the eCycling scene. what it takes to perform at the highest level,
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and how she leads and inspires others in their own athletic paths.
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Whether you are deep into Zwift, chasing big goals, or just need a boost of
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motivation, Gabriela's story will light that spark.
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Gabriela, welcome to Zone to Speak.
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Thank you very much. So you're originally from Brazil, but you live in the U.S.
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What brought you there? I have been married to a U.S. citizen since two years, about for two years.
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We met online on Zwift, and at that time I was in Germany. Yeah.
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And then we got married and I moved here. Wow, how cool.
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So eSports changed your life in many facets.
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In many ways. That's it, yeah.
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Wow. And how did your cycling journey begin? Well, from some point in my life,
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I was living between Germany and Brazil.
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So one year here, one year there, I was trying to build a honey business with
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Brazilian native honey and export it to Europe. So the entrance point was going to be Germany.
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And we tried doing a pilot project and do some export. So I was always back and forth.
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But I started mountain biking in Brazil in around 2019, I believe.
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Mainly because I had many, many injuries in my life due to other sports.
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I come from skateboarding and other more radical sports.
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And I got injured so many times that at some point my joints were not playing
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the game anymore. So I had to change sports. I tried to just stay fit just because I love moving.
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I love just also doing endurance sports a lot.
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So I tried running and was actually really good at it and loved it.
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But on the joints, it was just a little too much.
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So I decided, why not just buy a bike and get around with the bike?
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So that's how I started. I just went to a bike shop in Brazil.
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And then they recommended me a mountain bike because that's what they use around
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in my home city, in Curitiba.
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Many people like to ride off-roads.
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It's more fun and more safe in that environment. And so I kind of got into it
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because the bike shop really took me in and took me out to rides and got me
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started. And I didn't have any idea.
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So I kind of started from zero from there.
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Yeah, mountain bike is really big in Brazil. And I love when bike shops really
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take their customers in and teach them the ropes, not just try to sell a bike
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and make a profit. So that's really good to hear.
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And how interesting about the honey business. Are you doing that at all?
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I know we're talking about cycling, but I'm always fascinated because I love honey.
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Well, I really wanted to, you know, make the honey special for athletes.
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I tested it a bunch with my friends in Brazil and I tested a bunch of myself,
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like how this honey goes with performance and with endurance.
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And it actually showed really, really cool results, especially because Brazil
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has really specialty types that are really healthy for the body.
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So I was really hoping that I could, you know, unite those two passions that I have.
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I ended up, when I got married and moved to the U.S., I had to take it a little
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slower with the whole thing.
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And then I decided to just put it on a sleep, maybe forever, I don't know.
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Came with a little hurt because I invested really a lot in this,
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but part of my family also still has a passion for it and would like to,
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at some point, maybe start again.
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Yeah, I hope you have the opportunity to pick this up because.
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I mean, obviously, I'm a honey lover, but there are a lot of research coming
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out now that Eva talks about, you know, honey for energy, but also it really
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improves your recovery.
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So don't give up on this. I think it's a space that we should be watching,
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and I hope you bring this up. Yes, definitely.
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And just as maybe interesting information, for many people, they don't know
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there's different types of bees.
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Not just a regular bee that we know that stings and that produce the most honey that we know of.
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But Brazil also has native bees.
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Other countries also have native bees. But Brazil has more than 400 different
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species of native bees that produce honey.
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Wow. But most of the bees are very, very small and produce really small amounts.
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And most of those bees are also stingless, so they don't sting.
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They bite or they can't really defend themselves. So we found one specific bee.
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It's called Jatai, or the scientific name is Tetragonis kangustula.
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Wow. produces a mouthful yes
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definitely this bee produces a
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very specific honey that has incredible healing
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powers it's been used by native brazilians
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and been known to really feel the breathing
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airways bronchitis and and even
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just a regular cough so we really
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embraced that type of honey and it was
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hard to bring it into the market due to its differences in
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in constitution and in taste so that
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was a big challenge so maybe reminds
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me that i had a really bad
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bike accident in 2020 i think
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and my face was like so bad and
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i lived in dubai at the time and this guy
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at the bike shop Arabic guy told me put honey and
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I'm like but I was in so much agony that
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I'm like I'll try anything and I started to put
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honey and you can see I have no scars it
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really is a miracle source yeah really high quality honey does have healing
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properties but the most honey that we know of is that we buy is already mixed
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with other honey stuff it's not completely pure or light can even influence
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the effect it has, temperature.
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So it's a sensitive product if you really want the most healing powers out of it.
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Yeah, don't buy anything from the grocery store. It's not real honey.
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But anyways, we should have our own podcast all about the honey. I'm so fascinated by it.
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But tell me, how did you evolve into elite level competition?
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And what brought you to esports?
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All right so when i started mountain mining brazil they also
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have regional competitions and i started doing them
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for fun because i'm kind of kind of
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competitive or like i'm competitive with myself a lot
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like i want to improve and and so i
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started competing and i started winning a lot and
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i started upgrading categories and just winning a lot
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like everything and i was like okay maybe it's like
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i don't have competition i don't know but then
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i started going out on rides with the pro
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guys and they were like this girl
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is fast and so I
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didn't have a power meter or any numbers but like I
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started hunting KOMs and that was my training and really
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hard courses in Brazil like just off-road climbs and
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climbs and climbs that was my thing so well after
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a while I have to move back to Germany so I
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thought okay cool Germany might be more like a road bike
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thing I don't know but there we have
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long winters in Germany so what do I do then I don't
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want to bike outside in the winter I tried it before so
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then I thought okay I want to keep myself fit and I'm gonna try something indoors
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I want this stationary bike and then I started researching a little bit and
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found Swift I didn't know what it is I bought like a Schwinn EC8 it's like a
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spinning bike and you started with that.
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Yeah it totally overreads even though you calibrate and everything it just overreads
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but I think it says a lot that you don't need the latest and greatest and the
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best or the most expensive look at you.
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Such a strong elite athlete i mean i'm sure now you
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have the latest and greatest but yes you can start from
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the bottom but it didn't last very long because
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it's really like it's unfair like it just gives
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you like 40 extra watts so you can't do that it can
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start competing you know so i was just working out and
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i joined like a huge event that was like
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a super long course super difficult and i was just hammering i
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just wanted like a good hard workout just for fun no
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goals nothing in mind and then this guy called
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sebastian from germany the team manager
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of beast mode powered by rose he messaged
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me afterwards because he was on my ride and he saw my numbers and
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he said well even if you are on a wacky setup
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you still have very good numbers and i would like to invite
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you to our elite team and see like what
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we can make out of it so he was
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like okay there's a teammate that lives nearby you
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in Germany how about you go to her house and
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do a little test and then we see your numbers and
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if your numbers are okay then we support you
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to be in the team and with equipment because I
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wasn't really like I couldn't really buy much like
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I was still building my own company that was like yeah
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we all know that yeah yes
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I was a part of my family so that I could do it because I.
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Didn't have income and neither could I spend time
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in a full-time job you know so I was
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doing just side gigs here and there just you know but anyways
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then I went there I went to Pia Kummer's place
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she's a good friend of mine today still and I did
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the little test and the numbers showed to be pretty good
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so that's how I started they started supporting me I
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started racing with them in the elite level at that time
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there was still no prize money on the
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line for elite events the sport is very very new
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what that yeah what how that goes but then
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that's how i met my husband we started dating and
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soon enough we got married we met
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in the u.s we met in germany we met in
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brazil like all the environment we went through it all
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and then he proposed and we got married and
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i moved to to the u.s and then
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i kept i kept racing and i kept doing the the
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esports thing because where we live here in the u.s we
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also have long winters and it's pretty cold and
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my husband does this also for a living he's
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not a racer but he is a commentator and a manager
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in that community and he has so much experience with all that and plus on top
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of it he is a coach he's a one of he was one of the top elite pro mountain bikers
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of the nation in usa oh he has more than 20 years of experience so like it was
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a perfect match without like forever.
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It just matches. Yeah. Seems like a match made, I was going to say match made in Zwift.
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Yeah. Not in heaven. They even have a little story there they posted for Valentine's
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Day or for their 10th anniversary. They posted a little video of us telling
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our story and how we met. It's beautiful.
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What a beautiful story. It's funny.
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Yeah. Anyways, yeah, I got married into, into, he had with, in his previous
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marriage, he had five kids.
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So I turned into a stepmom from one day to another.
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So that was a big challenge. Yeah.
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We have two older girls. They are already out of the house and the three boys live with us part time.
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So that was also very life changing for sure.
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And the indoor cycling also helped, the virtual cycling, because then when we
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ride at home, we can be around more.
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And with the kids, it's just so much. That's true. That's true, that's true.
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Wow, you were very busy then. I didn't realize you're also a stepmom of,
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you know, three to five kids, depending on the season.
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Well, congratulations on all your accomplishments.
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You know, your path seems to be full of light and you're just progressing to the top.
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Congratulations on becoming Vice World Champion in eCycling.
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What did that race mean to you? All right, when it first came out that the World
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Championship was going to happen,
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the first couple of years it was on Zwift and I wasn't able to compete yet because
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there was always something going on.
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I wasn't, first I wasn't ready or second, I was injured at some point, I think.
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It just, I didn't get to it. I saw it, but it was like out of reach.
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And then last year it started, it switched platforms. So it is on the MyWoosh platform.
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And I was very unfamiliar with that platform. I haven't raced or ridden there much.
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So when it came out that it was going to be on MyWoosh, I thought,
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okay, I'm not sure if I want to do it, but I'm going to give it a try.
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So I'm going to start using the platform.
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I'm going to qualify myself and just start racing the Sunday race club that they have every Sunday.
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And just get into it a little bit. But I wasn't like super like determined. Oh, this is it.
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And because up until then, I was just using indoors or the virtual platforms
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for really hard training and for really hard racing.
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But I didn't like, I didn't have much more ambitions with that really.
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Because my husband saw my talent, but he wanted me to put it on the outdoor world.
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So I raced a whole season here in the US with mountain biking.
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And I got state champion on the
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mountain bike and then the other year the following
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year so last year I started on the road bike and
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needed to upgrade first but I got champion in we have a series called Tour of
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America's Dairyland and I was category two at that that year still so I won
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that was 11 days of racing and road really was also a fun experience and then
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and then I started going, okay,
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let's prepare for the winter season and I'm going to be indoors anyway,
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so why not give it a try? Why not? Yeah.
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And my UCI license is now as a Brazilian.
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I was first as a German and then I had to make a decision and I decided to go to represent Brazil.
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All Brazilians know it's like a hard thing.
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Yes. Brazil, proud Brazilian. Yeah. So yeah, I qualified through.
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I forgot the name now. Federation, sorry.
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They did a great job just, yeah, getting as a qualifying path.
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And then there was a semifinals that took place at each people's homes,
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all with verified equipment and the usual verification processes.
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We always have weigh-ins before the races.
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And then in the semifinals, I got fifth place. and the same two courses that
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were used in the semifinals were going to be used for the roads,
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plastic, and we're going to add another course.
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So I thought, oh, okay, I didn't do very bad, so let's go.
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We're flying to Abu Dhabi and, you know, yeah, I think if I go somewhere to race, I go to win.
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I don't mess around, like, oh, I'm just going to try it then.
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No, you can tell. We were so driven.
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Yeah. So, okay. And then they organized it all pretty well.
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All the athletes flew out and we arrived a couple of days earlier before the
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race. How many of you, of women, are there racing?
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20 women and 20 men are qualified from all around the world.
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I was only Brazilian. There were a couple of Germans.
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Obviously, Jason Osborne, the German champion. But on the women's side,
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we had also a couple of Germans. Pia was also in there, my friend. Cool.
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Yeah, so it was really nice to meet her. And we had a couple of days.
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And when it came to race day, did our usual, we have weigh-ins.
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The weigh-in was in the morning, which was great. And then we had some time
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to just fuel and prepare and mentally concentrate.
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The race was then in the afternoon and evening. Yeah.
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When we got on stage, there were three different races, very short races.
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The first race was more like a sprint, fastest through segment type thing.
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The second race was a points race, just one lap on a circuit that has a big climb.
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There's points on the bottom, which is really tricky if you have points on the
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bottom of a climb, and then you have points on the top of a climb,
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and then you have points on the finish line.
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And are they eliminating people as you go through these smaller races or no?
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No, no. We just accumulate many points.
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Everyone has to raise all three races. And then the third race is a circuit
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race with one very sharp climb. And there's points on the top of every time we go up that climb.
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So I'm not a pure sprinter, but I'm not a back sprinter. I've been working a lot on my sprints.
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I really, like last summer, I almost hit 1,000 watts and 900 watts.
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What yeah and i used to
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be i used to not have that at all so we worked really
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towards my sprint but you know you have to compromise certain
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areas and find a good a good middle spot
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if you want to do it all the thing with the platform was
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that i wasn't really prepared for the fastest through segments i
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couldn't really practice it and there wasn't a way
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for me to know so i just reckoned the course a
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couple times and i didn't really know about the pack
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dynamics because you can draft people the speeds and
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how can you get most speed out of it so not
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having done all of that and prepared enough I
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really screwed up the first stage it really cost
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me many many points my sprint
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power was really good I had a good sprint but
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I just didn't time it very well so I lost
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the draft the main draft I didn't get enough speed I was
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told I have to start sprinting from the middle of the pack
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but actually you you have to start a little far back
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and get the speed and carry it on and i
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didn't do that those are all the tricks that
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are different from yeah the actual road to
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e-racing okay yes oh yes yes that's a very very different it's it's just a different
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discipline we cannot compare outdoor and indoor cycling at all like it's just
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a different role yeah so anyways when we did that first sprint and my competition
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my main competition that i knew okay those are the strongest riders I have to watch out for.
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They got all the points. And I was like, I got like, I don't,
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I don't even know, like seven points out of 20, you know, and they got 20 points.
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It's like, okay, I'm already 15 points behind. How am I going to catch up?
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But I tried sprinting and, well, like I said, the numbers showed my sprint was good.
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It's just in time. Okay, what can you do? Yeah, just the strategy of the E-race.
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Yes. But I'm here now. So let's go on the fight mindset and let's go.
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I didn't do any math in my head.
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I just thought, I don't care. I'm just going to go all out.
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I'm just going to give all I have. i don't care about the points i'm just gonna
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race hard i all i was thinking at that moment was like okay let's fight it's
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war now now it's war now it's gara so gara mode.
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Yeah so in the second in the second race i
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had an amazing performance i grabbed all the points available yay
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yeah or not on the bottom of the climb i got
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some points on the bottom of the climb but then you have to
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climb really hard right away so you can't go all out on
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the bottom so then i got full points on the top and full
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points in the finish line and then you have
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always like 10 minute break in between races so
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it's you have to recover pretty quick from all out
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efforts that's rough but it tests you in
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many ways like and that was like five minute
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effort eight minute effort one minute effort then
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for the last race I saw that I
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like bumped up way up to like I think I was already second place I don't I don't
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remember what place I was overall and then I saw okay there is hope if I can
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really get all the points here and on the top of that climb it's going to be tough but I can try.
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And I can do. So you don't try, you do.
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So we went for it and it went pretty good. I didn't get full points all the time.
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But also not only one person got all the points. It was kind of distributed.
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People took points from other people. So we had three chances to do so.
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And the fourth time was then the finish line.
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So we went over that climb three times.
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And right before the last time, before the finish line,
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I was two points away from being a
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world champion so if I would have
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yeah if I would have won the
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finish line I would have been world champion and just
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happened that my competition had that little extra kick at the very end there
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was nothing I could do about it all I saw was all the media gathering next to
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me and preparing like okay this might be your next world champion it's just
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heartbreaking that I really,
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I just had to burn all the matches to catch up so many points that that little.
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Kick wasn't there anymore.
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I mean, I still got second overall also in the race, but it was like just the
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points difference then didn't make up for it anymore.
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So it was, yeah, it was a very emotional experience.
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I was heartbroken, also happy at the same time because the silver medal at the
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World Championship is really, really amazing result.
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Yeah. But that being so close, I know it's, yeah.
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It's, I honor every single athlete that was there. But, uh,
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I'm also that competitive that if I compare power numbers, I know that I was
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the strongest rider in the day.
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I don't know if I can say that without any proud, but it's just reality.
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There is an analysis made by Zach Neer, and he published it on the Cycling News,
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and it was just obvious. But that's not all.
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Power is not everything. Tactics is big, and also knowing the game.
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In this case, in this cycling discipline, you have
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to know the game you have to practice that
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like in other cycling disciplines you have to practice certain
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things like mountain bike you have to practice the rock gardens the technical
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stuff so do you have to do that on the virtual world so that's just part of
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it yeah well congratulations i know it must feel bittersweet because you worked
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so hard for the first place.
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And you saw the numbers and you are the strongest.
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But like I said, if you don't know the game 100%, you might miss a couple of
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points and that's exactly what you missed, a couple of points short for the first place.
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But second place, it's not an easy task, not an easy feat.
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Really, congratulations. I know myself and all Brazilians are so proud.
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And now that you feel that you know the game better and the tactics better,
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are you going to continue to push for a 2025 title?
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Yes, I do want to continue seeking that title.
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And since the world championship, my life really has changed a lot because I
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decided to focus full-time in being an athlete and specifically in cycling esports athlete.
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So I started just racing every weekend.
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Every Sunday, my wish has a race called Sunday Race Club and they put it up
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for different categories and they offer really, really good prize money,
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very attractive prize money so that you can actually make a living out of it if you do well.
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That's really good. Yeah. But there are other platforms out there.
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Do you think other platforms also start their own championships?
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Because it was Zwift and then now it's my wish. But do you think like Roovy or Zwift would do it?
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Because you could maybe compete in different platforms? Or am I saying something stupid?
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No, I like the idea of being multi-platform and competing.
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Zwift has different series they put over the winter. sorry
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they put on the swift games and the
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swift world series it's called they're not
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uci affiliated but they are very high-end
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series that offer also very good prize money that's what
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attracts the high-end athletes because it's
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it is a full-time job if you want to race at that level it
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just is in and people that have also other jobs a huge respect because it's
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it's a lot of work to be able to to be at that level so yes i like racing both
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platforms my wish and swift i don't know about any other platforms it would
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really depend on how attractive they make it so.
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Probably would have to be prize money involved so that you're trying yeah of
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course if my wish is giving significant prize monies why would you put your
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efforts and burn your matches in other platforms if you're not making a living
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out of it especially that it is your full-time job Exactly.
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So yeah, since Worlds, I just fully embraced being an athlete,
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racing every Sunday since then.
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I didn't skip a race, I don't think.
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And I will only skip if I really need to, because I have also other ambitions
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like I do want to race a little bit on the road. This weekend,
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I was racing on the road, but I took my setup with me.
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I was traveling and still did the Sunday race indoors too.
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So in this year, a big goal is to pursue the national title of road racing in Brazil.
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So in July, I'm going to fly to Brazil and I'm going to race on the road.
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And try to pursue that title i i really do want
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to do it it's again it's a different discipline but
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i'm a full-time athlete so i think i can also handle two
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disciplines that works i unfortunately not
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more than two like the virtual cycling and the road goes
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really well together i would love to keep going with mountain biking
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but that would just be its own thing you
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need very specific training it's very risky yeah
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very risky and i think i ruled and indoor are
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very complementary where mountain bike you really need
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the skills outdoors just like gravel yeah
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you need to be out there really feeling terrain your
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whole body takes a bit in yeah yeah i do
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really want to try gravel though i really
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have that in my like in my heart i was
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like i i love the off-roads and i
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love just like just long like climbs and
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off-road and not not much technical so some
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someday at this at a certain point i i definitely
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want to try gravel it's in your near future get get the title get those titles
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you have a lot of homework to doing 2025 and you know race race is race like
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it can't it can't it's not easy to win races it can't happen so much like this weekend i was.
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To win a race at the last lap i had a mechanical so it's
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just part of it and virtual racing the same
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thing like you can have an internet drop all the connection failure or whatever
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it then it can screw you up so it's like yeah those are the main goals and the
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main ambitions but this is not like the end of the world if i can't if i didn't
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get it like if i missed that my the goal is to work towards it,
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work with integrity, work with everything I have and everything I can.
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And I think that is aiming for the good and for the right thing.
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Very well said. Very well said. But it's good to have those goals to work towards
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with all that you said. Yeah.
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Well, I'm very excited to cheer you on and see you grabbing those titles.
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I was going to ask if you ever meet your
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online competitors in real life and go for a
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spin but now I already know you married one
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of your I mean maybe not competitor but one of
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your fellow riders but does it
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happen that you can go on maybe on a real life spin with one of your competitors
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from e-cycling well most people that I race with virtually they don't live nearby
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but we do have actually a friend he's called Hayden Packer. He's known as Farm Watts.
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He lives just like one hour car drive north from us.
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So sometimes they came to visit actually after Sunday Race Club and had lunch with us.
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There's also a weekly ride here around the area where sometimes he shows up.
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There's other people that are from that community that have something to do with virtual cycling.
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But for the girls, most girls I know, they live overseas.
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And then the only time we got to ride together was in Abu Dhabi. So that was really cool.
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That was just an amazing experience to meet everyone in real life, let's say.
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Because you feel like you've known them for so long and then all of a sudden they're like real.
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So that was really cool. We did a little ride there.
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Yeah. I mean, it has happened very seldomly to me, but sometimes when I'm just
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training, I see the name of someone that I know that is also training at the
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same time at the same course. It's so cool.
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Yeah, yeah, it's fun. So we talked about Brazil national road title.
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E-cycling world title, anything else?
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What's next? So, yeah, for this year,
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I'm focusing on those two things mainly because I was in touch with the Brazilian
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Federation and they have one spot only for the World Championships in Rwanda this year in Africa.
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And they also have only one spot for the 2028 Olympics.
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They obviously with one spot want to send the best rider they can send.
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So the deal was okay
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if i can prove myself to be the best available
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rider that would be an opportunity for me
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and like yes why wouldn't
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i want to go compete at the world stage against
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the best of the world it's like a huge opportunity yeah
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and also olympics but that's like
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still like a little bit far away idea because i really
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want to make sure that really the best most fitted
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rider goes there to represent brazil and i
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believe i am talented but i want to see where the other girls are at and that's
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why we decide okay just come race that if i could join other races i would but
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they already happened and i i couldn't make it in time so it's just more like
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a common show yourself thing and then and then we'll see from there.
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Other than that, I'm really busy enough with the Sunday racing and it's always, it's a lot.
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Even talking now to you, like I said in the previous pre-show,
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I'm sitting on the couch with my recovery boots on.
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No time to waste. We have a big recovery ride to do today with my husband.
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We're going to go out for a couple hours today to shake the legs out from the hard weekend.
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So it keeps going and my wish keeps us busy with the racing.
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So it's cool to have that for sure. Yeah, you have a lot going on and a lot of good things.
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So 2025 is looking really, really exciting and the future even brighter.
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Are there any bucket list races or event that you would like to participate?
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I think that the world championships on the road is a big one.
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I saw the course and apparently it's one of the hardest courses that there has
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ever been because it's a very sharp climb up and down 11 times on a circuit.
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And that type of racing really suits me. It's a warm place in Rwanda,
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so I really do well when it's warm.
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Out body adapts pretty good to
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heat and i would just love to do it
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so i've been to rwanda i hope you go there you'll love it it's beautiful beautiful
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country and the climbs are steep i mean that country is not i don't think there's
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one flat part well you're either climbing or descending yeah yeah cool that's awesome good to know.
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So I feel your energy and you're such a go-getter and you're so determined.
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What, if you would define your mindset in one word, what would it be?
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That's a hard one, but I was talking to my husband and he was like, you're methodical.
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You're very methodical. I mean, I grew up learning music instruments and having
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all, like, if I have something, even if I wouldn't have any other talents,
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my talent is discipline.
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So and with plus with the german culture mixed
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in it makes me really methodical so if i have a
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plan if i have a goal i'm like this this this like
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this execute and do it it can be
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good it can be bad sometimes because racing needs a little bit
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more flexibility and like it's more chaotic and you
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have to be able to adapt to all kinds of chaos
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things yeah when i just donate you yeah but
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uh being methodical i think it's like it's it's
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a big one i mean i can see that but
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yeah very i can see that cool well i am so happy i got to know you a little
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bit more and let's keep in touch i wish you a wonderful recovery and a wonderful season,
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Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.
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