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Episode 336: 'The Greater Good' (SG-U 2.07) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Speaker 1: Get into Gates, episode 336, talking SGU.
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Speaker 2: That's Stargate Universe for the layman. My name is Mitch.
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Speaker 2: Over there is Brendan. Hey, just eating a cookie.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, I went to you first
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Speaker 1: because I'm like, is he still got a mouthful? Also,
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Speaker 1: potentially with a mouthful, Matthew. Not a cookie though.
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Speaker 2: Potentially. Potentially.
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Speaker 3: Still eating gravy.
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Speaker 2: Beer o'clock, anyone?
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Speaker 4: Ew.
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Speaker 2: Here we go.
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Speaker 3: I'd rather gravy than a beer.
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Speaker 4: Beer. Beer.
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Speaker 2: Until he's new, get that into you. Swallow the lager.
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Speaker 3: Yeasty motherfuckers.
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Speaker 2: If only.
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Speaker 1: We are talking episode seven of season two of SGU.
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Speaker 1: It is called The Greater... The greater good. The greater good.
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Speaker 2: Always consider the greater good. Dr.
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Speaker 3: Nicholas Rush and Colonel Everett Young.
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Speaker 2: I'm reading the full thing on the wiki here.
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Speaker 1: I should just go Rush and Young investigate an abandoned
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Speaker 1: alien craft.
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Speaker 2: Just outside the Destiny when the craft begins to drift
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Speaker 2: away from the Destiny. It doesn't say the. I added that.
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Speaker 2: I apologise. I'm going to retract the the.
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Speaker 3: Drop the the.
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Speaker 2: When the craft.
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Speaker 1: Begins to drift away from destiny, straining them aboard, Rush
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Speaker 1: must find a way to get destiny to catch up
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Speaker 1: to them without revealing his secret. Written by Carl Binderbinder
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Speaker 1: and directed by Will Hwering.
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Speaker 3: You've had control of this ship the whole time. We
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Speaker 3: finally made it. Mitchell, we finally made it.
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Speaker 2: When that popped up, I was like, oh, this is it.
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Speaker 2: This is it.
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Speaker 1: This is kind of like when we got to, Rhys,
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Speaker 1: your father made you wrong. And it's like we're seasons
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Speaker 1: in and Rhys is like, is this it?
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Speaker 3: This is it. Yeah, we got here.
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Speaker 2: Rhys, your father made you wrong.
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Speaker 3: The whole time?
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Speaker 2: She says Daniel.
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Speaker 3: Who?
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Speaker 4: What? Daniel.
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Speaker 5: Daniel.
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Speaker 6: Daniel. Oh, my God.
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Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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Speaker 3: Oh, my God. The whole time.
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Speaker 6: The whole time.
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Speaker 3: The whole time. That sounded pornographic at the start.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it what?
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Speaker 4: Jesus.
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Speaker 2: Sally Fields.
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Speaker 3: My God. She'd go off.
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Speaker 2: Big time. Like a frog in a sock. I didn't
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Speaker 2: call her the flying nun for no reason. Fly your nun?
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Speaker 3: What does that even mean?
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Speaker 2: Oh, aren't your may.
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Speaker 4: What?
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Speaker 5: What?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 4: What?
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 2: Oh, Sally, your field.
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Speaker 3: See, anything works. I'll steal your magnolia.
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Speaker 2: Oh, there we go.
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Speaker 5: The whole time.
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Speaker 6: The whole time.
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Speaker 3: The whole time. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you'd forest her gump.
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Speaker 2: Oh, she was.
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Speaker 6: Oh, mama. She threw her leg over and forest gump.
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Speaker 6: You know, you watch her as a kid and you're like,
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Speaker 6: what a sweet old lady. And, like, she still was
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Speaker 6: a sweet old mama. But then I saw some of
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Speaker 6: it about six months ago and I'm like.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 1: She really went into that school and said, do you
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Speaker 1: want to put my son in? What can you offer me? Well,
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you one through you.
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Speaker 3: What you don't know is she was originally cast as Jenny. Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 3: That scene in the bedroom was very different.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. There's more questions out of that one.
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Speaker 3: Oh, this is the Forrest Gump scene. Your mama sure
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Speaker 3: does care about your schooling, son.
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Speaker 1: You didn't do anything to that. That was just a
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Speaker 1: clip you played. Yeah, it's on YouTube. Because that was
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Speaker 1: the bit, right? When I rewatched it, I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: don't remember it being this audible.
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Speaker 2: Jesus.
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Speaker 3: He certainly soaked her dish. Sorry, I'm just scrolling through
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Speaker 3: her IMDb at this point.
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Speaker 2: That's enough.
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Speaker 6: I love it.
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Speaker 2: She sharpened his pencil, if you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: Sharpened his pencil. It was like a school joke because
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Speaker 2: he's a principal. Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 3: He Norman her Ray. She played Norma Ray in 1979. Oh,
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Speaker 3: she smoked his bandit.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that works. Yeah, that works. There we go.
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Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to bail out now. End on
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Speaker 3: a high. End on a high.
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Speaker 2: This one, like, obviously Rush then, you know, going, oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go. I'm going to go. And they're like, oh.
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Speaker 2: there's no life support over there. You're going to be
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Speaker 2: there by yourself. Anything can happen. He's like, yeah, no,
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Speaker 2: I'm going. I'm the smartest guy on the ship. I've
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Speaker 2: got to get over.
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Speaker 1: And then when they get over and they're obviously in
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Speaker 1: a little bit of trouble and he's like, you've got
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Speaker 1: to call old love and tap her back into someone's head.
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Speaker 2: I need her.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, holy shit, man. You're going to like
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Speaker 1: across the universe levels.
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Speaker 2: Across the universe.
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Speaker 1: Lengths to like bring a friend over. He's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you some shit. I'm not telling
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Speaker 1: anyone else because I need this secret kept. And then
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Speaker 1: having to get her to go around the ship by herself,
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Speaker 1: which fuck off would that happen?
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Speaker 2: Like you've got someone from earth.
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 2: She's been on the ship before. Yes.
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Speaker 1: We trust her in front of the computers, but if
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Speaker 1: she just started wandering off in someone else's body and you're.
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Speaker 3: Like, she had legs in a year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: She's going to be stumbling around.
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Speaker 1: You're not having someone just walk along with her just
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Speaker 1: in case.
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Speaker 2: And she then goes to the bloody bridge. Especially because
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Speaker 2: her host is in the Lucian Alliance.
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Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Yes.
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Speaker 2: And she had that thing with Simeon in the hallway. Yes.
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Speaker 2: That should be on high alert.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: And they know that if the ship drops in and
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Speaker 3: out of FTL, then Gin is back in charge of
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Speaker 3: her own body. So she would absolutely be under guard.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: She was in this scene.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I missed that.
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Speaker 4: Some of Gin's people. She's been the most cooperative of
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Speaker 4: all the Lucian Alliance members. Homeworld Security wants to talk
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Speaker 4: to her now. Okay. Is she in there?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you should know she's.
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Speaker 4: Hello, Gin. Our people on Earth have asked if you
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Speaker 4: could use the communication stones to come and talk with them.
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Speaker 1: Oh, um, sure.
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Speaker 4: Sure.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, did I interrupt something?
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Speaker 2: Eli's coming. Eli's coming.
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Speaker 3: Where does he find these wonderful boys? Eli's coming in
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Speaker 3: the car to save a broken heart.
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Speaker 2: Eli's coming to hide your heart, girl.
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Speaker 3: Eli's coming to hide your heart, girl.
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Speaker 2: Eli's coming to hide your heart, girl. Eli's coming to
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Speaker 2: hide your heart, girl.
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Speaker 3: Eli's coming to hide.
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Speaker 2: Your heart, girl.
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Speaker 3: That's an incredible find. Now, that's up there with Serpent's Venom.
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Speaker 1: But what are you Googling to just go, I'll just
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Speaker 1: say something about Eli Cumming.
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Speaker 2: Holy shit. Hit number one.
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Speaker 3: Mitchell, you know what he's Googling.
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Speaker 2: The Google. The Google. That's one of the great bands,
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Speaker 2: Three Dog Night. Oh, sure. With their hit single Eli's
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Speaker 2: Coming in 1969. Oh. You wouldn't believe it, baby.
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Speaker 5: Wow.
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Speaker 3: See, that's. You know how, like, with a lot of
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Speaker 3: TV shows, like, on streaming, they'll go back and they'll
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Speaker 3: re-edit things, you know, and they'll take things out or
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Speaker 3: change the music because of, you know, copyrights and all
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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. Political correctness. Yeah, a little bit
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Speaker 3: of that. I would love now, like, I want all
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Speaker 3: the streaming services to go back to SG-1's 1969 and
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Speaker 3: have that song playing in the background while, like, while
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Speaker 3: it's the montage of them, like, crossing the country and
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Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. That would be a great
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Speaker 3: little touch. We're doing it.
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Speaker 2: We're doing it, folks.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And finally, finally Eli got some.
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean, to be fair, Eli's been
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Speaker 3: coming this whole time. This is just the first time
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Speaker 3: with someone else. Yeah, it was someone else in the room. Well, actually, technically, no.
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Speaker 3: Do we think first time ever or just first time
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Speaker 3: since he got on Destiny?
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Speaker 2: Definitely first time ever.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have assumed that. But, I mean, unless
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Speaker 1: old Gin has, like, she was surprised. She was a
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Speaker 1: little bit embarrassed, obviously, and a little bit caught off guard.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, she was.
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Speaker 1: It was like Eli had shown her things she didn't
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Speaker 1: know existed, you know, with the sound of her voice
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Speaker 1: then when Camille showed up.
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Speaker 2: Circumcision?
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Speaker 3: Perhaps. Yeah. Ooh, that's a good point. Yeah, you wouldn't
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Speaker 3: think like that's probably not a thing that happens on
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Speaker 3: other planets, especially with Lucian Alliance. They're not going to
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Speaker 3: be like, oh, here's our baby.
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Speaker 1: Even last week, right, you know, we take for granted
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Speaker 1: sometimes when, what's the proper word? I know you guys
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Speaker 1: have thrown it around before when they use like a
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Speaker 1: real earthism, like an earth, what's the?
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Speaker 3: Colloquialism? Gerbil? Didn't he say?
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Speaker 2: But last week where he's like, oh, this is me.
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Speaker 1: I'm making for my movie or my film or something.
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Speaker 2: And he's like, actually, it's more of a documentary. And
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Speaker 2: she's like, what?
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Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, it's like a record of something.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, so documentary is an earth term.
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Speaker 1: I think he said he had some rodent that he
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Speaker 1: was taking care of.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever he's talking about. Hamster.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's like a rodent. I'm like, why do you think
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Speaker 2: she's going to know that word?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Rodent. It's like a small rodent. Creature.
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Speaker 3: According to the audio commentary, there was a scene cut
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Speaker 3: that he, well, what's the guy's name? David Blue. He
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Speaker 3: improvised at the end of that scene. After she leaves,
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Speaker 3: he goes, poor Mr.
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Speaker 2: Sparkles.
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Speaker 3: What? That was the name that he'd come up with
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Speaker 3: for his little gerbil.
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Speaker 2: Oh, good.
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Speaker 3: And they cut that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair call.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up, David. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: He didn't even realize that it was a Simpsons reference.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
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Speaker 3: Oh, Mr. Sparkle.
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Speaker 4: Mr.
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Speaker 2: Sparkle. I feel very uncomfortable that you've said that.
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Speaker 4: What? Mr.
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Speaker 3: Sparkle, that's how they say it. That's the ad.
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Speaker 4: Mr.
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Speaker 3: Sparkle, you see right amount of.
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Speaker 2: Whatever it is. I want to be ninja.
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Speaker 3: Oh, but when Mitch and I bring up the three
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Speaker 3: ninjas knuckle up at high noon or whatever a couple
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Speaker 3: of weeks ago, that you just play confused.
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Speaker 2: That was Forrest. Impersonating the principal.
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Speaker 3: Oh, God. That's going to haunt my dreams. Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 4: Yikes.
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Speaker 3: Whoa, the Greybeard. Yikes, yikes, yikes. The Greybeard. Hey, so
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Speaker 3: this episode was.
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Speaker 2: Sorry.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, from like the moment Camille opened that door and
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Speaker 1: I saw Ginn, I'm like, oh.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: I remember, I don't know which of you two, but
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Speaker 1: you were involved in it, both of you, at the
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Speaker 1: end of, I want to say it was the end
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Speaker 1: of last season, not the beginning of this.
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Speaker 2: And you were like, all right, before the end of
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Speaker 2: the series, you think Eli gets some? And I was like, yep.
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Speaker 2: Who do you think asked you that question? You know what?
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Speaker 2: In my head, it was Matty that was asking me.
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Speaker 2: Of course.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was.
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Speaker 2: Spoiling it.
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Speaker 3: Oh, off.
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Speaker 4: Off.
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Speaker 3: Go back and listen to the context. And I gave
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Speaker 3: a bunch of different scenarios.
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Speaker 1: But in fairness, honestly, while I was watching that scene,
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Speaker 1: I had that conversation replaying in my head. And I
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Speaker 1: was like, well, you wouldn't ask that if it didn't happen.
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Speaker 2: It would be such a weird.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I would, because he's been fawning over Chloe the
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Speaker 3: entire first season trying to get his end in.
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Speaker 2: No, I know, but like.
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Speaker 1: There is just that little tickle on the back of
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Speaker 1: your head. I'm not even having a go at you
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Speaker 1: because I didn't spoil it.
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Speaker 3: He's like, oh, do you think Eli fucks a member
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Speaker 3: of the Lucian Alliance before the series is done? Matty,
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Speaker 3: that's so specific. Why would you ask that?
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Speaker 2: Also, yes.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Do you think Eli fucks T-Bag from Prison Break before
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Speaker 3: the series is done? No, T-Bag fucks Eli, obviously. Hey,
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Speaker 3: you've never heard of a cow bottom.
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Speaker 2: You look even prettier in person. Hold on to this here.
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Speaker 2: Puck it.
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Speaker 3: You got a pretty mouth.
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Speaker 2: It's that weird lip thing that he does, little tongue flick.
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Speaker 2: The tongue, yeah. He was so good in Prison Break.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go back and watch that first season again.
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Speaker 2: The first season was a banger.
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Speaker 3: Oh, really? Never watched it.
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Speaker 2: One of the great villains. You know, it's funny because
13:17
Speaker 2: they had, I think in that season, they had 12
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Speaker 2: episodes queued up and it was just such a big
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Speaker 2: hit that they extended the first season. Yeah, right.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what they said. Like Power Rangers. Just like
13:29
Speaker 3: Power Rangers. Just like Power Rangers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. They had to get the Japanese to film more
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Speaker 3: scenes to send them over to him.
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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, we need to just get crazier. Yeah, look, you know,
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Speaker 2: good on him. Good on you, Eli.
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Speaker 3: Do you think the shirt was on the bed because
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Speaker 3: he was wiping up the wet spot, like drying up
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Speaker 3: the wet spot?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Because Eli, he's embarrassed of his body. He's with his
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Speaker 3: shirt on. He's not taking his shirt off. Not unless
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Speaker 3: she likes to suck on his titties.
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Speaker 2: Jesus. It might be a Lucian Alliance cultural thing. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it might be a real thing. Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 3: She's like, you suck on my titties, I suck on
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Speaker 3: your titties.
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Speaker 1: And look, I'm not saying that, like, you know, she
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Speaker 1: doesn't find him attractive or anything like that or that,
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Speaker 1: you know, his own personality.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, they.
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Speaker 1: Like this is a lustful thing based on how long
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Speaker 1: they've been in each other's vicinity.
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Speaker 2: How much does she like maths? Oh, yeah. She loves
14:27
Speaker 2: maths so much. I think she loves freedom so much.
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Speaker 2: Freedom and numbers.
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Speaker 3: She's the equivalent of Lauren Graham in Bad Santa when
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Speaker 3: she's riding Billy Bob Thornton going, fuck me Santa, fuck
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Speaker 3: me Santa, fuck me Santa.
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Speaker 2: I've never seen it, but... Oh, what?
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Speaker 3: You're missing out.
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Speaker 2: Oh, no, I've never seen it. Oh, you are missing it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just the idea of Lon Graham. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Just straddling Billy Bob Thornton dressed as Santa. Just on repeat.
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Speaker 3: F * * * me, Santa. F * * * me, Santa.
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Speaker 3: F * * * me, Santa. Yeah, that's what I'm
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Speaker 3: thinking Gin's like. Just like, f * * * me,
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Speaker 3: math boy. F * * * me, math boy. F
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Speaker 3: * * * me, math boy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh, tell me a quadratic equation. What's your favorite cosine 10?
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Speaker 3: That's a square root.
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Speaker 1: And I know we've known her name prior to this,
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Speaker 1: but still just how many times they said it this
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Speaker 1: week and last.
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Speaker 3: Gin.
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Speaker 2: I actually just like that.
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Speaker 1: Like it's close enough to a word like you can
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Speaker 1: say gin or- Well.
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Speaker 3: It's spelled G-I-N-N.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
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Speaker 3: So like it's just a little bit skewed.
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Speaker 1: You know when we go to an alien planet and
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you've just added another letter at the
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Speaker 1: end to- an earth name that we already know sort
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Speaker 1: of make it, or, you know, an earth name, apostrophe,
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Speaker 1: something else sort of thing. You know, it's, I'm like, again,
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Speaker 1: it's so basic in its simplicity in how different it
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Speaker 1: is to.
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Speaker 2: A word that we already know. And I'm like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I like that. I like, I don't know. There's something
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Speaker 2: about it every time they said it.
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Speaker 1: And they said it a lot because math boy was
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Speaker 1: very happy with himself to the point where he goes.
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Speaker 2: Up to Chloe and he's like, Hey, um, Sorry, I
16:03
Speaker 2: haven't been around much. I haven't noticed.
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Speaker 1: He goes, well, I just want to explain why.
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Speaker 2: She goes, I honestly didn't even know you had.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like if you had have noticed, it's totally
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Speaker 1: because I've been having sex.
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Speaker 5: Oh.
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Speaker 2: Three times.
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Speaker 3: Good for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's totally. We were hanging around each other.
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Speaker 2: And then Camille came in and she wanted to join us.
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Speaker 2: I was like, Camille, just know she's my gin. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Is it gin or gin? What was your name again?
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Speaker 2: I just know that you love that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, good.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's, I'm not going to, I'm not going to overhype it, Chloe,
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Speaker 2: but it's pretty serious. It sounded better than you and Scott.
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Speaker 2: And we all know, we've all heard it.
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Speaker 3: Okay. Scott leaves the door open when you guys have sex.
16:48
Speaker 2: I'm just putting it out there. I stand outside of
16:50
Speaker 2: the door.
16:53
Speaker 3: I was just Googling some weird math equation names that
16:56
Speaker 3: I could moan as gin. And I've just noticed, I'm
16:58
Speaker 3: just on target. There's the Schrodinger equations.
17:02
Speaker 2: Schrodinger.
17:03
Speaker 5: Schrodinger.
17:04
Speaker 3: Oh, the ding-a-ling.
17:05
Speaker 2: Yeah.
17:07
Speaker 3: Oh, Tommy Schrodinger's equation. A partial... That was it.
17:11
Speaker 2: That's what Carter used to say. Yeah. To Nareem.
17:14
Speaker 3: A partial differential equation that describes how the quantum state
17:16
Speaker 3: of a physical system changes over time.
17:19
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm hard. Yeah, mate.
17:21
Speaker 3: Absolutely. There's leakage.
17:24
Speaker 2: Carter and Nareem vibes right there.
17:27
Speaker 3: You've licked.
17:28
Speaker 2: Quantum physics?
17:30
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, lick my quantum physics. Okay. Tell me an
17:35
Speaker 3: eponymous equation. Okay. Hey, just friend to friend here. Yeah.
17:41
Speaker 3: Is that how you sound?
17:42
Speaker 1: Because the four times that you've put on a voice
17:45
Speaker 1: to have sex in this situation, you've done the same thing.
17:47
Speaker 2: I'm being gin. I'm not yucking your yum.
17:50
Speaker 3: This is what I think gin sounds like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:54
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, like, in any other situations, like, oh,
17:57
Speaker 1: I wish there was a man to come in here
17:58
Speaker 1: and take advantage of me.
17:59
Speaker 2: Like when you're playing.
18:00
Speaker 3: No, that is a southern woman who likes to have
18:03
Speaker 3: a big old man come in here and take advantage
18:05
Speaker 3: of her.
18:06
Speaker 2: Betty Mae's back.
18:07
Speaker 5: Yeah.
18:08
Speaker 2: Betty Mae.
18:10
Speaker 3: Her name is Millicent. Oh, tell me your Navy Estrux equation, Eli.
18:25
Speaker 2: Hide your heart.
18:30
Speaker 3: Talk to me about vector calculus.
18:37
Speaker 2: I like them storming in.
18:39
Speaker 1: Once they were like, the fact that they've been... trying
18:43
Speaker 1: to find Rush for weeks. Whenever they go after him,
18:45
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, he's not answering again, obviously.
18:47
Speaker 2: And no one, like, at this point, why have they
18:49
Speaker 2: not got a tail on him?
18:50
Speaker 1: Like, why have they not got someone watching him at
18:53
Speaker 1: all times?
18:54
Speaker 2: Whatever. Why didn't they just drop him off somewhere like
18:57
Speaker 2: they did with the rest of them? Because when you
18:59
Speaker 2: think about... Simeon.
19:01
Speaker 3: Simeon, I thought that's who you were talking about. Sorry,
19:03
Speaker 3: it's about Rush.
19:04
Speaker 2: Let's go on with that. Because I'm like, what are
19:06
Speaker 2: we getting out of Simeon? Yeah, exactly. Like, it doesn't
19:08
Speaker 2: make any sense. The rest of them... are reporting to
19:11
Speaker 2: Homeworld Command. So we assume, all right, clearly they know
19:16
Speaker 2: who's cooperating and who isn't. Yeah. So then they should
19:19
Speaker 2: be saying, Simeon's telling us porkies. Let's keep him segregated
19:23
Speaker 2: from the rest of the group. And then also, if
19:27
Speaker 2: Gin is from... Well, that's more of a spoiler.
19:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, for next week.
19:32
Speaker 2: But have you seen next week yet, Mitch? Not yet.
19:35
Speaker 3: What?
19:36
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, no, sorry. No, I was just going to say...
19:40
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert.
19:42
Speaker 3: They're from the same tribe. How the mighty have fallen.
19:48
Speaker 2: I don't say not to spoil anything for me. I
19:50
Speaker 2: say spoiler alert. They're from the same tribe.
19:53
Speaker 3: Potato, potato. Tribe or clan? It doesn't matter.
19:58
Speaker 2: The clan. It was a clan. The clan. But even so,
20:03
Speaker 2: the runner and Ginn. are cooperating even camille's like raving
20:09
Speaker 2: about how much she's cooperating with them and how great
20:11
Speaker 2: she is is.
20:13
Speaker 3: That is that why i didn't understand why simeon had
20:16
Speaker 3: such an issue with gin.
20:18
Speaker 2: Yeah because they came because they're oh she came she
20:22
Speaker 2: she wanted camille wanted her to go across the stones
20:25
Speaker 2: i thought it was just so um russia's girlfriend could
20:29
Speaker 2: come on i'm like why her out of all the
20:31
Speaker 2: other people because she's she's actually helping eli not just
20:36
Speaker 2: in the bedroom but she's actually trying to help him
20:38
Speaker 2: with the equations on how to dial back to earth
20:41
Speaker 2: yeah through a star but it's what i was saying
20:43
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago when they had eli's mom
20:46
Speaker 2: come in this is the perfect example of maximizing stone
20:51
Speaker 2: travel yeah because Gin needs to go back to talk
20:54
Speaker 2: to Homeworld Command and we need Amanda Perry to come here.
20:57
Speaker 2: Which she was already.
20:58
Speaker 3: Doing, right?
20:58
Speaker 2: Before they knew that they needed Perry.
21:01
Speaker 5: Yeah.
21:02
Speaker 2: Gin's going back.
21:03
Speaker 3: Gin was scheduled. She was scheduled to go back. So
21:06
Speaker 3: all I can think of is that maybe we've got
21:08
Speaker 3: our wires crossed and the whole time that the Lucian
21:11
Speaker 3: Alliance people have been getting examined or interrogated or whatever,
21:15
Speaker 3: it's people from Homeworld Command have been coming here to
21:18
Speaker 3: interrogate them. They haven't been getting on the stones and
21:20
Speaker 3: going back. So maybe this is the first time Illusion
21:23
Speaker 3: Alliance person has got on the stones. I don't know.
21:26
Speaker 3: I'm just throwing out some theories.
21:28
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought of that. No, I just assumed they
21:29
Speaker 2: were all going back to Earth.
21:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I assumed as well. I guess because
21:34
Speaker 3: we're so, like, low on the people we need and the,
21:39
Speaker 3: you know... Like, what, is Camille the one that's debriefing them? Like,
21:42
Speaker 3: she's not going to have all the know-what questions to
21:45
Speaker 3: ask or, you know, have all the information that she
21:48
Speaker 3: needs to do a proper sort of debriefing.
21:50
Speaker 4: So.
21:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like the most efficient way to do
21:52
Speaker 3: it would be to just chuck them on the stones
21:54
Speaker 3: and away they go. And if anything, I feel like
21:57
Speaker 3: if this was an SG1 episode, well, that would be
21:58
Speaker 3: the perfect time for an SGC member in control of, say,
22:03
Speaker 3: Gin's body to go and do a little sneaky recon
22:07
Speaker 3: of their own, pretending that they're Gin, to go back
22:10
Speaker 3: and talk with the Lucian Alliance people. You know what
22:12
Speaker 3: I mean? So it just felt very flimsy. Like, given
22:15
Speaker 3: that Simeon chose to stay... with everybody when all the
22:20
Speaker 3: other Lucian Alliance members went, what did he think was happening?
22:25
Speaker 3: Like it just feel, I don't know. Like he just,
22:28
Speaker 3: it doesn't track to me why he suddenly was so
22:31
Speaker 3: anti everybody. And cause he kind of sided with, with
22:37
Speaker 3: runner guy, didn't he? Like, so like when the, when
22:40
Speaker 3: the Lucian Alliance members split.
22:42
Speaker 2: So I don't like.
22:43
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:43
Speaker 2: And he said, he said to runner, he's like, Oh,
22:47
Speaker 2: I'm giving them pork, telling them porky pies. And the
22:49
Speaker 2: runner's like, no idiot, we're cooperating.
22:51
Speaker 5: Yeah.
22:52
Speaker 2: Otherwise you should have left. Wait, what exactly? What are
22:54
Speaker 2: you telling us?
22:54
Speaker 3: So then, so then why does Simeon specifically go after
22:58
Speaker 3: Gin when everybody's been doing it? You know what I mean? Yeah.
23:01
Speaker 3: Because he's a piece of shit and she's a little
23:03
Speaker 3: petite girl.
23:04
Speaker 2: And he's just like. Well, yeah, that too. But also
23:06
Speaker 2: he saw her going to the stone room or whatever,
23:11
Speaker 2: whatever happened in that scenario. So I'm like, okay. I
23:16
Speaker 2: feel like, It's more important. What about Camille a couple
23:19
Speaker 2: of weeks ago saying Eli's happiness is the most important thing? Yeah.
23:24
Speaker 2: And then, like, he's banging her.
23:27
Speaker 4: Yeah.
23:27
Speaker 3: And then she's going to send her off world, off
23:29
Speaker 3: the ship. I'm like, okay. Oh, no, that was happening anywhere, remember?
23:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I think my thing is if she
23:37
Speaker 2: was so cooperative, wouldn't she be spilling the beans on
23:41
Speaker 2: Simeon going, he's a piece of shit, like you shouldn't
23:44
Speaker 2: be trusting him?
23:45
Speaker 3: Well, she didn't know though, did she? Simeon's only had
23:48
Speaker 3: that conversation with Runner. I don't think Simeon has had
23:51
Speaker 3: the conversation with.
23:52
Speaker 2: But if she's cooperative, wouldn't you just tell them everything
23:55
Speaker 2: about what you know from your planet, about what you
23:58
Speaker 2: know about the Lucian Alliance and what you know about
24:00
Speaker 2: the crew that are on Destiny?
24:01
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not saying that Elo's not lovable
24:04
Speaker 1: in all the different ways, physical, mental, whatever.
24:07
Speaker 2: Well, you're the one that keeps bringing that up. No,
24:08
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
24:10
Speaker 3: Oh, you like some math, boy.
24:12
Speaker 1: But they've rushed right into this relationship. Eli's going to
24:16
Speaker 1: get suckered in because he's desperate. He's lonely. He's sad.
24:19
Speaker 1: He's already been screwed over a little bit by Chloe.
24:21
Speaker 1: Not intentionally, but, you know, he thought there was something
24:25
Speaker 1: going on that there wasn't. And all of a sudden, this,
24:27
Speaker 1: you know, attractive little redhead alien girl.
24:30
Speaker 2: With a little bit of mystery behind her.
24:32
Speaker 3: Black leather.
24:33
Speaker 2: Math girl.
24:33
Speaker 1: And a dangerous girl who tried to kill him only
24:36
Speaker 1: moments earlier.
24:37
Speaker 2: You know, show some interest. And what's happened? Oh, she's
24:41
Speaker 2: holding information back, is she?
24:43
Speaker 1: Well, well, well, what a surprise. Why didn't she spill
24:46
Speaker 1: the beans? Because she was hiding them up her sleeve
24:49
Speaker 1: just in case.
24:50
Speaker 2: No, it's not her sleeve she was hiding them.
24:51
Speaker 3: Untrustworthy.
24:54
Speaker 2: That's what I just don't understand is that it felt
24:58
Speaker 2: like the way Camille was talking to her as if
25:00
Speaker 2: they'd just met her that day. She introduced Eli to her.
25:04
Speaker 2: I don't know if you met Gin. Gin, is it
25:07
Speaker 2: okay if you go back to Homeworld Command again?
25:09
Speaker 3: Well, it was.
25:11
Speaker 2: It wasn't even like again. It was like for the
25:13
Speaker 2: first ever time.
25:14
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, like they did say in the audio commentary,
25:15
Speaker 3: like this was Eli's first scene with Gin. They've actually
25:18
Speaker 3: never been in the room together until now. Like this
25:23
Speaker 3: is the first time these two characters have actually interacted.
25:26
Speaker 3: But it does feel weird given how many episodes ago
25:28
Speaker 3: we had the thing where, okay, the Lucian Alliance people
25:31
Speaker 3: are released into Gen Pop. There was that immediate scuffle
25:34
Speaker 3: when Simeon went, you know, and said something horrible to Dr.
25:37
Speaker 2: Park.
25:39
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it is a weird thing to just kind
25:42
Speaker 3: of at the 11th hour put these two together. Yeah.
25:47
Speaker 3: I didn't like it.
25:48
Speaker 2: I understand why they did it because at the end
25:51
Speaker 2: he goes into her room and for whatever reason there's
25:54
Speaker 2: no soldier there. Yeah. Like no airman there or whatever
25:57
Speaker 2: they're called. No marine. No one following him. No one
26:00
Speaker 2: looking after her.
26:01
Speaker 4: Yeah.
26:02
Speaker 2: She should have two people on her considering she's on
26:04
Speaker 2: the stones. Yeah. And she's a Lucian Alliance and old
26:08
Speaker 2: mate's been a pig to her.
26:09
Speaker 3: Yeah. Here's a weird fact that I think will make
26:12
Speaker 3: it even more complicated for this episode. But this is
26:15
Speaker 3: the episode that was moved from season one. How?
26:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, how?
26:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm assuming it's the rush coming clear, clean about,
26:27
Speaker 3: you know, them finding the bridge or finding out about
26:31
Speaker 3: the signal or Destiny's mission, that kind of stuff. I
26:36
Speaker 3: think that might have been what was supposed to be
26:38
Speaker 3: in season one. which I was talking to Jacob about
26:41
Speaker 3: it a few weeks ago. And that was when he posited,
26:43
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, maybe it would have made more
26:45
Speaker 3: sense if we, as an audience knew about the mission
26:50
Speaker 3: and like Russia had found out about what destiny's mission was.
26:53
Speaker 3: And then that was the information that had gotten back
26:56
Speaker 3: to the Lucian Alliance through Telford. And that's what then
27:01
Speaker 3: made them up the ante to then do this, this
27:04
Speaker 3: breach to the siege, to, to get onto, um, destiny. Hmm.
27:09
Speaker 3: but again, what are these hard Lucian Alliance people going
27:12
Speaker 3: to do with this information?
27:14
Speaker 2: Like, okay. The ship's still going to take a million
27:17
Speaker 2: years to get there.
27:17
Speaker 3: There's a signal that we don't even know how long
27:19
Speaker 3: it's going to take to get what, like the Lucian
27:24
Speaker 3: Alliance seem like the kind of people that are just like, okay, great. Well,
27:28
Speaker 3: Earth's people are doing this. We have a spy set
27:31
Speaker 3: up in there that doesn't even know they're a spy.
27:33
Speaker 3: We'll get all the information and know when we need
27:35
Speaker 3: to go. No, like, Just knowing that there's been some
27:38
Speaker 3: signal or something like that, that doesn't feel like enough
27:40
Speaker 3: for me. For the Lucian Alliance to suddenly go, okay,
27:43
Speaker 3: we're going on and we're taking over the ship.
27:45
Speaker 2: And plus Gin said in the previous episode that was
27:48
Speaker 2: like a legend in the Lucian Alliance. It wasn't even
27:51
Speaker 2: like a intel.
27:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
27:53
Speaker 3: There was, yeah, that weird prophecy or whatever or that,
27:57
Speaker 3: you know, yeah.
27:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, space and time.
28:00
Speaker 5: Yeah.
28:02
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I was just a bit underwhelmed.
28:05
Speaker 3: And then.
28:06
Speaker 2: Like, I think, honestly, Eli fell for it pretty hard.
28:10
Speaker 2: And I don't know if she was playing him on
28:14
Speaker 2: or if she actually meant it. I feel like they
28:19
Speaker 2: enjoyed each other's company.
28:20
Speaker 3: I feel like it was genuine. Like, I feel like
28:22
Speaker 3: her connection to Eli through math and all that kind
28:25
Speaker 3: of stuff, that all felt genuine. Her, you know, looking
28:30
Speaker 3: at– I think the thing– that really sold her was
28:34
Speaker 3: when she watched the little video while he was pulled away.
28:37
Speaker 3: She watched the little video from his documentary. She was,
28:39
Speaker 3: so the audience had an intimate. Yeah. And I guess
28:42
Speaker 3: when you hear about like what Gin's upbringing was and, and,
28:46
Speaker 3: you know, being forced into the Lucian Alliance, she's used
28:49
Speaker 3: to men like Simeon.
28:50
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
28:50
Speaker 3: So I think finding someone like Eli is like, she
28:53
Speaker 3: would be like, oh my God, I had no idea
28:55
Speaker 3: men like this even existed. So I, I think there
28:58
Speaker 3: was a genuine connection between them. um and he must
29:02
Speaker 3: be rich too because only kings are.
29:04
Speaker 2: Fat you know what i mean yeah it's the king's
29:08
Speaker 2: disease yeah.
29:09
Speaker 3: And i think i think you know there there would
29:13
Speaker 3: be a potential that simeon or rana or someone like
29:17
Speaker 3: that could potentially use this against like use her connection
29:22
Speaker 3: with eli to do something shady i i have i
29:25
Speaker 3: have no doubt that Gin could be put in a
29:29
Speaker 3: situation to sort of leverage that and get something, get
29:33
Speaker 3: some information out of Eli. But I think the actual,
29:35
Speaker 3: her attraction to him, I think that is genuine.
29:39
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:39
Speaker 3: I agree.
29:42
Speaker 2: The ship at the start, I noticed this line.
29:48
Speaker 3: 12 hours on the countdown clock, but the gate's not dialing.
29:50
Speaker 3: No planets in range.
29:51
Speaker 2: We tried calling Rush. No response as usual.
29:56
Speaker 5: Rush, come in.
30:00
Speaker 3: Wait a minute.
30:03
Speaker 5: There is something out there straight ahead of us.
30:05
Speaker 3: What is it? Some kind of ship.
30:09
Speaker 4: It doesn't look like the aliens we encountered before either.
30:15
Speaker 3: New friends.
30:17
Speaker 5: Yay.
30:21
Speaker 2: So did we ever figure out, was it the aliens
30:23
Speaker 2: from Telford? Telford aliens?
30:27
Speaker 3: No. So just a random ship. Yeah, I think so.
30:31
Speaker 2: Because I thought I might have a blink and you
30:33
Speaker 2: miss it type thing, but I thought I saw those
30:37
Speaker 2: little boxes.
30:40
Speaker 3: I thought there was a line in there where they said, oh,
30:41
Speaker 3: it could be full of pods or something like that.
30:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did from the seed chip. Yeah, they said, yeah,
30:45
Speaker 2: and they were like, that's why you've got to tread carefully.
30:49
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, because, yeah, Rush finds one and it's empty.
30:52
Speaker 3: And then Volker or... Bro, you say like, yeah, but
30:55
Speaker 3: there could be some full ones elsewhere. So, yeah, there
30:58
Speaker 3: were definitely those little pods on there. So I think
31:01
Speaker 3: in the same way those aliens had podded onto the
31:06
Speaker 3: seed ship, I'd say they'd podded onto this ship as well.
31:10
Speaker 3: Because did we see one of their ships in the
31:14
Speaker 3: seed ship episode or was it just? No, they were
31:16
Speaker 3: just living on the seed ship.
31:18
Speaker 2: And I think on all of my other rewatches, I
31:21
Speaker 2: thought this was one of their ships that got destroyed.
31:24
Speaker 2: So they managed to go and find the seed ship.
31:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, like those pods could be escape pods. Yeah.
31:31
Speaker 2: You know?
31:31
Speaker 3: So yeah, you're right. This entirely could have been their ship.
31:37
Speaker 2: And because Rush didn't want to reveal the bridge to everybody,
31:42
Speaker 2: that's the reason why Amanda came back on the stones.
31:47
Speaker 4: Yeah.
31:48
Speaker 3: Because he was stuck on the ship and he knew
31:52
Speaker 3: the only way.
31:53
Speaker 2: To keep it from everyone.
31:55
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, to keep it from everybody. And then, yeah,
31:58
Speaker 3: he could send her the little secret codes to get
32:02
Speaker 3: her there because he's like, he knew he could.
32:05
Speaker 2: Trust her to do it. So he's the reason she's
32:07
Speaker 2: on the ship.
32:08
Speaker 4: Yep.
32:08
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:09
Speaker 3: And he's the reason Riley's dead and he's the reason
32:11
Speaker 3: other stuff. But what I hate is.
32:16
Speaker 2: See, the Riley thing, I don't think, I think that
32:18
Speaker 2: would have happened anyway.
32:19
Speaker 3: Well, no, because.
32:22
Speaker 3: Rush stopped the ship. Remember, that was the planet that
32:24
Speaker 3: Rush thought they were going to find supplies on. So
32:26
Speaker 3: Rush stopped the ship to that planet.
32:29
Speaker 2: But my point is if Young knew about it, knew
32:33
Speaker 2: about the bridge and he was in there with Rush
32:35
Speaker 2: and Rush said, there's a planet coming up, I think
32:38
Speaker 2: it'll have, you know, supplies, and then he would have
32:42
Speaker 2: been like, yep, drop it out of FTL.
32:43
Speaker 3: No, but didn't Rush hide the fact that– The weather
32:48
Speaker 3: was bad? Like the weather was worse?
32:49
Speaker 2: No, he didn't know.
32:50
Speaker 3: Or the turbulence or something?
32:51
Speaker 2: He didn't know the weather was bad until later, until
32:54
Speaker 2: they were already on the way. And then that's when
32:55
Speaker 2: he radioed to Scott and said, hey, be careful. You'll
32:58
Speaker 2: probably come across some turbulence.
32:59
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's what I mean. Had it been a
33:01
Speaker 3: normal mission, like had everyone been there, they probably would
33:04
Speaker 3: have run those scans before launching the shuttle. Yeah, probably.
33:07
Speaker 2: You know?
33:08
Speaker 3: Possibly. But what I really find is just the bullshit
33:11
Speaker 3: of Rush saying he couldn't trust Young to lead. when
33:16
Speaker 3: it's the things like the Lucian Alliance and Riley, they're
33:20
Speaker 3: the things that broke young and their situations that rush
33:24
Speaker 3: put him in. So rush doesn't trust young to be
33:28
Speaker 3: able to successfully lead when he's only giving, when he's
33:32
Speaker 3: only giving young drop drips and drops and manipulating him.
33:36
Speaker 3: Whereas if he just told rush the full story, I'm sorry,
33:39
Speaker 3: you're told young the full story young would actually be
33:42
Speaker 3: able to lead better. So it's such a, cart before
33:47
Speaker 3: the horse, like gatekeeping, frigging like just gaslighting kind of thing.
33:53
Speaker 3: And I'm just like.
33:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Young fell for it. That's the other thing
33:55
Speaker 2: that always annoyed me because I think O'Neill would have
33:58
Speaker 2: handled it completely different.
34:01
Speaker 3: But it's like they've had their thing. He left him
34:03
Speaker 3: for dead on a planet. They beat the shit out
34:05
Speaker 3: of each other and then said, oh, for the sake
34:07
Speaker 3: of the crew, we'll put it all behind out each other.
34:09
Speaker 4: So....
34:11
Speaker 3: Young was giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying, okay,
34:14
Speaker 3: we've put all this behind us where for the sake
34:16
Speaker 3: of the queue, we're going to work together. But then
34:20
Speaker 3: Rush just went straight back to his bullshit and giving
34:23
Speaker 3: half-truths and hiding things and manipulating everybody.
34:27
Speaker 2: I feel like they were doing that. And then when
34:30
Speaker 2: Rush had the dream and then he went back to
34:33
Speaker 2: Earth and pretended to be Telford, and then Young... Let
34:41
Speaker 2: the siege happen. I feel like that was kind of
34:44
Speaker 2: Rush going, okay, I can't trust this guy. But he
34:47
Speaker 2: let the siege happen to try and save Rush's life.
34:50
Speaker 3: Stupid. But that's what I mean.
34:53
Speaker 2: But Young had the ability to remove the stones and
34:56
Speaker 2: then Telford would go back to his body because Telford's
34:59
Speaker 2: body was in the gate room, not Rush's.
35:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then Telford would have been killed.
35:05
Speaker 2: Again, better than all the other people that died.
35:07
Speaker 3: But again, the whole reason they were in that situation
35:10
Speaker 3: was is because Rush said, I have information where I
35:14
Speaker 3: think Telford is a mole. Let me go undercover in
35:19
Speaker 3: his body to find out what happened. And then Rush
35:22
Speaker 3: fucks it up and gets discovered immediately because he doesn't
35:24
Speaker 3: know the safe word. So the whole reason they were
35:27
Speaker 3: in that scenario with the Lucian Alliance is because of Rush.
35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a risk they're both willing to take.
35:32
Speaker 2: Because Rush pushed. For me, I think that Rush.
35:35
Speaker 3: Young said multiple times, you're not qualified for this. We'll
35:38
Speaker 3: let Stargate Command handle it. And Rush pushed and pushed
35:41
Speaker 3: and pushed. Yeah, I don't disagree that he's been a prick.
35:44
Speaker 3: But I think his last straw was that Young stuffed
35:48
Speaker 3: up so hard with that incursion episode. But they were
35:52
Speaker 3: in that scenario because of Rush.
35:55
Speaker 2: Because he had the dream.
35:56
Speaker 6: Yeah.
35:57
Speaker 3: And he bullshitted Young into thinking. I don't think he
36:00
Speaker 3: bullshitted him. He did. He kept saying like, oh, I
36:02
Speaker 3: can do this. I can find out the information.
36:04
Speaker 2: Well, it did make sense because he had the vision.
36:06
Speaker 3: People at the SGC aren't going to know the information
36:08
Speaker 3: that I'm going to know. But he got discovered within
36:10
Speaker 3: like five seconds. Like he was useless. But that wasn't
36:14
Speaker 3: the reason that everybody, that the siege was successful. No,
36:19
Speaker 3: the siege was successful because Rush gave them the fucking
36:22
Speaker 3: code to do it.
36:24
Speaker 2: I think they had the code.
36:25
Speaker 3: No, they didn't, remember? That's why they were holding Rush.
36:27
Speaker 2: He didn't have the calculations for the.
36:29
Speaker 3: They killed the guy when he fucked up the... And
36:31
Speaker 3: Rush told him that the calculations were wrong, even though
36:32
Speaker 3: they weren't. And Kiva freaking put a bullet in the
36:34
Speaker 3: back of that guy's head. Like, everything that's happened that
36:38
Speaker 3: has gone wrong is because Rush is not forthcoming with
36:41
Speaker 3: his information. And then, because he's only giving half-truths and
36:46
Speaker 3: hiding things.
36:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying I agree with you on that. But
36:48
Speaker 2: Rush is... What I'm saying, and I'm not trying to
36:50
Speaker 2: defend him, I'm saying he's decided... It'll be for the
36:54
Speaker 2: sake of the crew. And then once he f *
36:55
Speaker 2: * * ed up with the incursion, he's like, he
36:57
Speaker 2: can't even like vent the atmosphere for f * *
36:59
Speaker 2: * sake.
37:00
Speaker 3: But there wouldn't have been an incursion if it weren't
37:03
Speaker 3: for Rush. They would have always had an incursion. No,
37:05
Speaker 3: because they didn't have the code. They couldn't get to Destiny.
37:08
Speaker 4: No.
37:09
Speaker 2: It was only the calculations of the Nequadria that they
37:11
Speaker 2: didn't have.
37:11
Speaker 3: Yes, which they got from Rush. I think he sped
37:14
Speaker 3: it up, yeah. Yeah, the only reason they had that incursion.
37:17
Speaker 3: But that's the thing. But then Young knew about it.
37:20
Speaker 3: The reason the incursion failed is because they were coming
37:23
Speaker 3: in with one of our own people. If they had
37:26
Speaker 3: just come in with all Lucian Alliance people, then Young
37:29
Speaker 3: would have gone through with his plan and f *
37:31
Speaker 3: * * ing vented the atmosphere. He should have anyway.
37:33
Speaker 3: But the only reason he didn't... Mate, come on, it's SG1.
37:36
Speaker 3: Are you telling me that if that was O'Neill and
37:40
Speaker 3: Daniel Jackson coming through the Stargate, O'Neill's just going to
37:43
Speaker 3: vent the room and kill Daniel?
37:45
Speaker 2: No, but in Stargate the writers wouldn't have killed everybody
37:48
Speaker 2: on board.
37:48
Speaker 3: Exactly. But what I'm saying is the only reason the
37:52
Speaker 3: incursion worked is because they brought in Telford slash Rush,
37:57
Speaker 3: whoever you want to say is in charge of that body, right? Yeah.
37:59
Speaker 3: If that Lucian Alliance team had come and young Neil
38:03
Speaker 3: was coming, They had the plan to vent the gate room.
38:07
Speaker 3: The only reason he held off was to try and
38:09
Speaker 3: save Rush slash Telford's life. If Rush hadn't insisted on
38:14
Speaker 3: being a mole in Telford's body, neither Telford nor Rush
38:18
Speaker 3: would have been involved in that incursion. And the incursion
38:21
Speaker 3: wouldn't have happened because they wouldn't have had the code
38:24
Speaker 3: and all the mathematics that they needed. So the whole
38:27
Speaker 3: reason that incursion happened was because Rush pushed, Rush said
38:32
Speaker 3: he could do it, and Rush fucked up. He got
38:34
Speaker 3: taken prisoner immediately and then was susceptible to all the
38:39
Speaker 3: fucking torture and stuff and gave them what they needed.
38:42
Speaker 3: And then he has the audacity to blame Young for it,
38:46
Speaker 3: for Young trying to save his life.
38:48
Speaker 2: There was an easy way to get around all of that,
38:50
Speaker 2: is to vent the gate room, remove Rush from the
38:53
Speaker 2: stone so Telford's in his body because he... And then
38:57
Speaker 2: go in, once everybody's unconscious, revive Telford. They did it
39:02
Speaker 2: five minutes earlier.
39:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was in a controlled environment, though. Well, this
39:08
Speaker 3: is pretty controlled. Yeah, but what I'm saying is, A,
39:12
Speaker 3: it was a risk in that, like, Young knew that
39:16
Speaker 3: there was a chance Telford wouldn't be revived. But also,
39:19
Speaker 3: if they only do it enough, like, there's no guarantee
39:22
Speaker 3: that Rush doesn't pass out first. And then a couple
39:25
Speaker 3: of the revolution alliance members hang on for a lot
39:27
Speaker 3: longer so rush is way too far gone to revive
39:31
Speaker 3: because they've got to wait till all those other cunts
39:33
Speaker 3: lose their.
39:34
Speaker 2: No you just wipe the stones and rush is fine.
39:36
Speaker 3: But that's still telford it's still telford though yeah yeah
39:40
Speaker 3: it's rush or telford but you go and revive telford
39:44
Speaker 3: But I'm saying there's no guarantee Telford is the last
39:46
Speaker 3: one to pass out. What if Telford is the first
39:49
Speaker 3: one to pass out from loss of oxygen? He would
39:51
Speaker 3: have held his breath. Oh, my God. Move on, man.
39:54
Speaker 3: Military training, man. If we're just going to make bullshit
39:56
Speaker 3: up and not actually talk about it, then let's just
39:58
Speaker 3: move on. But my point.
40:00
Speaker 2: Is everything that has happened.
40:03
Speaker 3: They were all in the gate room. Because of Rush.
40:07
Speaker 3: I'm saying the whole ball of wax. Easy. Right. But
40:11
Speaker 3: that's what they were going to do until Telford walked through.
40:14
Speaker 3: And the only reason Telford walked through is because Rush
40:16
Speaker 3: was in control of that body.
40:18
Speaker 2: Yes.
40:19
Speaker 4: Yes.
40:19
Speaker 3: The incursion wouldn't have. What my point is, is every
40:23
Speaker 3: fucked up thing that has happened, including the fact that
40:26
Speaker 3: they're all on Destiny in the first place when they're
40:28
Speaker 3: not the team that's supposed to be there, is because
40:30
Speaker 3: of Rush.
40:30
Speaker 5: Yes.
40:31
Speaker 3: Yeah. Everything that has gone wrong.
40:33
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
40:34
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:34
Speaker 3: But I'm saying everything that has gone wrong is purely
40:37
Speaker 3: rushes doing and everyone else is having to react to
40:40
Speaker 3: what rush has done to them. And then for rush
40:44
Speaker 3: to have the audacity to come back and say, I
40:47
Speaker 3: can't trust young and his ability to lead. Yeah.
40:51
Speaker 5: Absolute.
40:54
Speaker 3: I'm saying that's his reasoning. I'm not saying I agree
40:57
Speaker 3: with it. But the incursion wouldn't have happened if it weren't.
40:59
Speaker 3: That's what my point is. Yes, I agree. My point.
41:02
Speaker 3: You're not listening. I am listening, but my point is
41:05
Speaker 3: Rush is so.
41:07
Speaker 3: Unself-aware of himself that the whole reason the incursion took
41:11
Speaker 3: place is because Rush can't take responsibility for the fact
41:15
Speaker 3: that everything that's gone wrong is his own fault and
41:18
Speaker 3: he is then putting that on other people and then
41:21
Speaker 3: saying he can't trust those people.
41:22
Speaker 1: Do you see it as being legitimately, and I say
41:25
Speaker 1: this because I deal with some chronic liars and narcissists in.
41:31
Speaker 3: My real life. Yeah.
41:34
Speaker 1: I never let myself be as naive as going, maybe
41:37
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're... You were like, oh, he's
41:40
Speaker 1: not aware of. I'm like, is he? Is it just
41:42
Speaker 1: like he just... That's the defensive that he puts.
41:45
Speaker 3: Rush has no self-awareness of the person he is. He
41:48
Speaker 3: is so hyper-focused on Destiny's mission so that he can
41:52
Speaker 3: somehow go and mindfuck with his wife one more time
41:55
Speaker 3: that he has lost all objectivity and all like... rational thought,
42:03
Speaker 3: he can't see that he is f * * *
42:05
Speaker 3: ing over everybody and he is blaming everybody else. I
42:08
Speaker 3: understand that he's the smartest man on the ship and
42:11
Speaker 3: he's thinking 10 steps ahead of everybody.
42:13
Speaker 1: Genius people are emotionally absent a lot of the time.
42:17
Speaker 3: I get that. But he got the absolute shit beaten
42:21
Speaker 3: out of him and left on a planet to die
42:24
Speaker 3: for what he did. And then he and Young came
42:28
Speaker 3: back together and said, for the sake of the crew...
42:30
Speaker 3: We'll do it all. And that conversation is the only
42:34
Speaker 3: reason Young said yes to his bullshit covert mission to
42:39
Speaker 3: impersonate Telford is because Young is a leader, he's a
42:44
Speaker 3: better person, and he's a trusting person that he's willing
42:47
Speaker 3: to take these risks on people that he knows he
42:50
Speaker 3: shouldn't trust. Rush fucks up and has the absolute audacity
42:55
Speaker 3: to then blame him.
42:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the obvious difference between the two is that
43:00
Speaker 1: Rush doesn't like Young for what he knows about him. Like,
43:03
Speaker 1: he knows that he's... brash whatever like he knows what
43:08
Speaker 1: he doesn't like about him whereas that he bangs his
43:11
Speaker 1: subordinates whereas Young doesn't like Rush for a number of
43:15
Speaker 1: reasons but has no idea about 50 other ones that
43:18
Speaker 1: he should be more worried about yeah but I think
43:20
Speaker 1: all that yeah like that came to a head here
43:21
Speaker 1: like that's why I got so angry and again it
43:24
Speaker 1: might just be like real life coming into my watching
43:27
Speaker 1: here when when Young is like you've what and is
43:31
Speaker 1: just like laying into him like he went over there
43:33
Speaker 1: telling scott don't worry man i'm gonna bring him back
43:35
Speaker 1: he's fine i'm not.
43:36
Speaker 2: Gonna i'm not i'm not gonna touch him i'm not gonna.
43:38
Speaker 1: Touch him and then he gets over there he's like
43:41
Speaker 1: oh what and just starts wailing into him and i'm
43:44
Speaker 1: like yeah there is a chance obviously plot armor you're
43:47
Speaker 1: not going to kill him here yeah but you i
43:50
Speaker 1: think you.
43:50
Speaker 2: Would excuse your own behavior here if you did actually kill.
43:52
Speaker 1: Him and then for him to be like yeah okay
43:55
Speaker 1: all right i did keep it from you and i
43:57
Speaker 1: am a liar the reason i'm not and it was
44:02
Speaker 1: just like the and it was like more lies to
44:05
Speaker 1: explain away other lies yeah and again like i'm just
44:08
Speaker 1: i'm i'm going through this shit at the moment with
44:10
Speaker 1: people and i've been going through a lot of this
44:12
Speaker 1: sort of shit for years and years and i just
44:14
Speaker 1: i cannot and it sucks that i can't just watch
44:17
Speaker 1: a show like this objectively yeah and and see this
44:21
Speaker 1: is two characters i just can't i can't see past
44:24
Speaker 1: a character doing that i'm like oh Like, what are
44:29
Speaker 1: you doing here? Where other people, I'm like, okay, for
44:33
Speaker 1: the sake of the plot, is Young going to go, well,
44:37
Speaker 1: at least you admit you're lying. I just don't believe
44:41
Speaker 1: you when you tell me what, not like I don't
44:44
Speaker 1: think that you don't believe it. Rather Young is saying,
44:47
Speaker 1: I disagree with you rather than I don't believe you.
44:50
Speaker 1: Like everything Rush has been saying to explain his lie
44:52
Speaker 1: is is more lies. Like as an audience member, I go,
44:56
Speaker 1: there probably is an opening for me to go, hang on.
44:58
Speaker 1: Is that why he's not telling people? Because we don't
45:01
Speaker 1: even know what he's hiding. Like when he's like, Oh,
45:04
Speaker 1: the real thing of, of, of the mission and all this,
45:07
Speaker 1: like we don't really know what he's hiding. We know
45:11
Speaker 1: about what he's hiding. So when he actually explains why
45:14
Speaker 1: he's hiding it, I'm like, well, we should kind of
45:17
Speaker 1: give him an opening here, but I'm so used to
45:20
Speaker 1: not trusting anything that comes out of that guy's mouth
45:23
Speaker 1: that I'm just assuming everything is a lie. But is
45:26
Speaker 1: that just me being like a naive viewer who's, you know,
45:30
Speaker 1: been lied to in the real world rather than just
45:32
Speaker 1: watching this show and listening to what it's telling me?
45:35
Speaker 2: I don't know.
45:36
Speaker 3: If I can put like an earthly analogy on it,
45:39
Speaker 3: I would say it's like, okay, Rush and Young were
45:42
Speaker 3: in a car together. Young was driving. They got into
45:45
Speaker 3: a car accident.
45:47
Speaker 4: Right.
45:48
Speaker 3: Rush then says, well, I can never trust you again.
45:51
Speaker 3: You're a bad driver. So I can never trust you
45:53
Speaker 3: to drive me in a car ever again. When you
45:56
Speaker 3: actually find out that the reason they crashed is because
46:00
Speaker 3: rush pulled the handbrake while, while young was driving, you know,
46:04
Speaker 3: and then blames young for crashing the car. When rush
46:07
Speaker 3: is the one that pulled the handbrake from the passenger seat,
46:09
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like the fact that he
46:11
Speaker 3: just can't take responsibility for anything that he's done. And
46:14
Speaker 3: then to put it all on rush and, he's just
46:18
Speaker 3: a shitty person. He's just a shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty person.
46:22
Speaker 5: Yeah.
46:22
Speaker 1: And that's all like, you know, you're even seeing him
46:25
Speaker 1: somewhat become stressed about covering his own lies where he's
46:29
Speaker 1: on that other ship and he's like, oh, now I'm
46:32
Speaker 1: going to die here. Let me zap in someone from
46:35
Speaker 1: across the universe that I can trust so I can
46:37
Speaker 1: tell them, actually, I've been lying to everybody.
46:39
Speaker 2: And then put her in a shitty situation. Why didn't
46:42
Speaker 2: you tell us?
46:43
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I don't know.
46:44
Speaker 2: I didn't know. Yeah.
46:45
Speaker 5: I don't know.
46:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.
46:47
Speaker 1: She's like, why can't please? I should tell people. He's like,
46:50
Speaker 1: just trust me. I've got good reasons. She's like, well,
46:52
Speaker 1: I guess I've liked you for a decade. We've been
46:54
Speaker 1: mates for a long time.
46:55
Speaker 2: I guess so. But then when like Eli and crew
46:57
Speaker 2: bust in and go, what.
46:58
Speaker 3: The fuck's going on in here? And she's like, I
47:01
Speaker 3: don't know, man.
47:03
Speaker 1: I'm in someone else's body pressing buttons that I've never
47:06
Speaker 1: seen before.
47:06
Speaker 2: I haven't been here for a year. I don't know
47:09
Speaker 2: what's going on. Things are so much simpler. It'd be
47:12
Speaker 2: weird for Eli opening the door on his girlfriends there.
47:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
47:15
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
47:16
Speaker 3: That was a weird what.
47:16
Speaker 1: Are you doing we i'm so attracted to you right
47:20
Speaker 1: now because i'm so.
47:21
Speaker 3: Angry yeah that scene was so weird when he when
47:24
Speaker 3: he walks in on rush and uh mandy about to
47:27
Speaker 3: kiss or whatever they were kissing and he's like just
47:30
Speaker 3: remember you're kissing him in someone else's body like that
47:33
Speaker 3: happens to be my girlfriend as soon as.
47:37
Speaker 1: They said at the start of the episode he's like
47:39
Speaker 1: i know who i need and what's that mandy yeah
47:42
Speaker 1: um And I'm like, oh, this would be really interesting
47:45
Speaker 1: when she goes into Gin's body and then Rush ends
47:48
Speaker 1: up kissing her.
47:48
Speaker 2: Like, I'm just like, oh, that'd be funny if they
47:50
Speaker 2: do that one time.
47:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
47:51
Speaker 1: And like 40 minutes later, that's what's happening. And I mean,
47:54
Speaker 1: which is a big step for, obviously, for Rush as well.
47:58
Speaker 1: And I started to think, did he make that move? Obviously,
48:02
Speaker 1: like they thought they got close enough last time she
48:04
Speaker 1: was on the ship. Yes, in someone else's body again,
48:07
Speaker 1: which must be really confusing for him.
48:09
Speaker 2: But he's like, no, I can't.
48:12
Speaker 1: Still, you know, married and having weird things that's going
48:16
Speaker 1: on with my dead wife who keeps popping up in
48:17
Speaker 1: my head. It's no big deal, but it is, and
48:19
Speaker 1: we can't kiss or whatever.
48:22
Speaker 2: But then this time happened.
48:23
Speaker 3: Or was it racism? And he's like, oh, I can't
48:25
Speaker 3: kiss you in Camille Ray's body, but in this little
48:27
Speaker 3: petite redhead's body, let's absolutely make it. We've got lots
48:30
Speaker 3: of reds. Oh, yeah, we love a redhead.
48:33
Speaker 1: You remind me of a little Irish girl.
48:37
Speaker 3: He's Scottish, guys.
48:38
Speaker 1: I know, but that's the thing. It's so forbidden, right?
48:43
Speaker 1: A little Irish girl that pops over to Scotland.
48:45
Speaker 3: They share a border, don't they? A sea.
48:50
Speaker 1: And maybe in my head, I'm like, because he's unloaded the.
48:57
Speaker 3: Secret of the ship, or at least not all of them.
49:00
Speaker 2: Certainly not all of them. He's never going to unload
49:02
Speaker 2: all the secrets. Yeah. But because he's been.
49:04
Speaker 1: Exposed, is there a, is there a sort of a
49:07
Speaker 1: stress on his mind that has now been taken away
49:12
Speaker 1: that it's allowed him.
49:13
Speaker 2: To be a bit more emotional with Mandy?
49:15
Speaker 1: And he has allowed himself to go, Hey, I've been
49:17
Speaker 1: thinking about you a lot and, actually kisses her.
49:19
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
49:20
Speaker 3: I think it also has to do with that emotional
49:22
Speaker 3: growth he had when he was in the chair.
49:24
Speaker 2: Towards the end.
49:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. No, that episode a while ago when he
49:27
Speaker 3: was in the chair and relived everything that happened with
49:30
Speaker 3: his wife. I think because that happened after Mandy.
49:33
Speaker 2: I was about to say, was that after she was
49:35
Speaker 2: on the ship? I think so. Yeah, that feels more recent.
49:38
Speaker 3: I think Mandy was before they found the chair.
49:40
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
49:41
Speaker 2: No, because he said, I just experienced something with my wife,
49:46
Speaker 2: almost like I've had it done all over again.
49:49
Speaker 3: Oh, good recall. And then she was like, oh, okay.
49:50
Speaker 2: It was the episode before, wasn't it, the chair?
49:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:53
Speaker 2: That's why it was so fresh to him. Yeah, yeah.
49:55
Speaker 6: Yeah, right.
49:55
Speaker 3: So I guess now he's had time to process it. Or, yeah,
49:59
Speaker 3: like I said, maybe he's just racist. And he just wasn't. Racist. Yeah,
50:03
Speaker 3: because he wasn't into Mandy the first time she was
50:05
Speaker 3: there in Camille's body.
50:05
Speaker 2: Oh, right.
50:07
Speaker 3: And now that she's there in Gin's body, he's like,
50:10
Speaker 3: Let's have at it. I love some of that. Yeah.
50:14
Speaker 3: She's wee Celtic stork. Get in the kitchen and meet
50:20
Speaker 3: me some fucking tablet. So just to cover off on
50:24
Speaker 3: what we were talking about before, I did grab what
50:27
Speaker 3: I've just called For the Sake of the Crew Part 2,
50:29
Speaker 3: which is basically just Rush and Young just having their
50:32
Speaker 3: whole For the Sake of the Crew thing over again.
50:33
Speaker 5: What the hell do you want from me?
50:34
Speaker 3: I want you to work with me.
50:37
Speaker 5: Together.
50:38
Speaker 3: Side by side for the benefit of everyone. We've done this.
50:41
Speaker 3: We've done this. Last season.
50:44
Speaker 1: Please stop keeping secrets.
50:47
Speaker 5: It's fair to say we've had our differences, but that
50:49
Speaker 5: ends today.
50:51
Speaker 4: Again.
50:53
Speaker 5: You have my word.
50:55
Speaker 1: Oh, man, you are a lot of work.
51:00
Speaker 2: We've done this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go.
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Speaker 2: I just feel, yeah, it was a bit of rehashing.
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Speaker 2: And I wish they had have just put all of
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Speaker 2: that to bed at the end of the season instead
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Speaker 2: of having to fucking do this shit again.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they should have put it to bed for
51:14
Speaker 3: the sake of the crew.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: That was, you know, as far as I was aware,
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Speaker 3: that was all put to bed. You know, imagine Jack
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Speaker 3: and Daniel, like, in season seven just being like.
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Speaker 2: You stupid son of a bitch.
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Speaker 3: You stupid son of a bitch, you know. We wouldn't
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Speaker 3: be in this situation if you hadn't killed Rhys. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, it's just fucking, yeah,
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Speaker 3: just the stunted growth and just the lack of self-awareness
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Speaker 3: of Rush is just so frustrating for me.
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Speaker 2: What about Math Boy just to the rescue with the
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Speaker 2: spinning fucking spaceship and what? How's he doing those equations
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Speaker 2: in like three minutes?
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Speaker 3: Give me a break.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Are you telling me. Let go now.
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Speaker 3: But am I pushing myself out or am I just
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Speaker 3: letting go? What angle am I jumping on?
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Speaker 2: Like you're an idiot.
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Speaker 3: How the fuck does he know how much Rush weighs
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Speaker 3: and how much Young weighs with all that? Are there
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Speaker 3: scales on Destiny? Do they know how much those suits weigh?
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Speaker 3: Did they measure each other before they left? Like what
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Speaker 3: are we talking about? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's, oh, that's right. Because Young just took a
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Speaker 2: piss before he left, so that's why he came off
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Speaker 2: the wrong angle.
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Speaker 3: And he pushed up instead of out. Oh, he went early.
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Speaker 3: F * * * off, Eli.
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Speaker 2: Shut the f * * * up, David.
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Speaker 3: Shut the f * * * up. We have to
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Speaker 3: find that. Shut the f *.
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Speaker 4: * *.
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Speaker 3: Up.
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Speaker 5: Are you familiar with the cosmic microwave background radiation?
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Speaker 1: Noise left over from the Big Bang.
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Speaker 5: A long time ago, the ancients made a discovery. They
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Speaker 5: found evidence of a structure buried deep within the background radiation.
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Speaker 5: They believed that at one time this structure had genuine complexity, coherence,
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Speaker 5: therefore could not have occurred naturally.
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Speaker 1: How is that even possible?
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Speaker 5: It's not, at least not according to our current understanding
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Speaker 5: of physics, nor can we even see this structure with
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Speaker 5: our technology.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so what are we talking about? Some kind of code?
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Speaker 5: A message? A message, perhaps. Or a sign of intelligence.
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Speaker 5: from the beginning of time.
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Speaker 4: Senpai.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's the very question they sought to answer when
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Speaker 5: they launched Destiny. That is the mission. We're talking about
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Speaker 5: a mystery rooted in the foundation of reality. A puzzle
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Speaker 5: with pieces scattered across the length and breadth of the
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Speaker 5: universe itself.
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Speaker 2: There is the quantum god theory.
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Speaker 3: Oh, what's that?
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Speaker 2: I don't know exactly. Google it, Holly. Come on, Holly.
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Speaker 2: Something about, yeah. I've only just seen it recently pop up.
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Speaker 3: What's it? Quantum.
53:54
Speaker 2: Quantum God.
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Speaker 3: Hypothesis.
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Speaker 2: Theory or something. That's what, when I watched this episode,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's what I saw on YouTube the
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Speaker 2: other day. Just this like, because we see. That we
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Speaker 2: don't understand what consciousness is, even science. No one understands
54:16
Speaker 2: what it is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Is that got anything to do with the God
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Speaker 3: particle or is that something different?
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Speaker 2: No, different.
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Speaker 3: Okay. Google says, the quantum God hypothesis is a speculative
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Speaker 3: philosophical idea suggesting that a universal or divine consciousness acts
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Speaker 3: as the ultimate observer to collapse quantum wave functions into
54:33
Speaker 3: physical reality. Oh, Eli, say it again. Oh, my God. Oh,
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Speaker 3: my God. Oh, God, hypothesis. Tell me about the cosmological constant.
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Speaker 2: See, I told you about those keynotes. They're some of
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Speaker 2: the best things that they've invented for this show. Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: But it fucking sucks because they get lost all the time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like if they set up in episode one that
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Speaker 3: there's just this infinite little ball, like a gumball machine
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Speaker 3: that just drops them out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like it. They're amazing, except it can't find its
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Speaker 2: way back to the controller.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. How?
55:19
Speaker 2: Just go backwards.
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Speaker 3: Like, fuck me, I'll get a vacuum that can do that. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Does Akino not, like, keep track? Like, yeah, the Roomba
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Speaker 3: knows how to just, like, okay, I've turned left. Like,
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Speaker 3: it can map things out. Back to base. If you're
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Speaker 3: sending Akino out on search mode, is it not, yeah,
55:32
Speaker 3: dropping little electronic breadcrumbs? Just going, okay, I took two rights,
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Speaker 3: a left. I travelled straight down this one. It's like, oh, guys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole idea is that it's mapping the area.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Does it not have just, like, a return button?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's the reason they got left on that planet when
55:47
Speaker 2: the cave imploded.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the ancients can detect a god signal from the
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Speaker 3: beginning of time. They can create a ship. They can
55:58
Speaker 3: create stargates. They can ascend, but the ball can't find
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Speaker 3: its way home. Like, what are we doing?
56:07
Speaker 2: They don't have Roomba material.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I suppose, what's the meme that's going around?
56:13
Speaker 2: They're saying.
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Speaker 3: Gen Z are the first generation to be, like, less
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Speaker 3: intelligent than the generation before.
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Speaker 2: Well, we always knew that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, we have because we're millennials. But they were saying, like, yeah,
56:29
Speaker 3: so by that process of elimination, it means, yeah, millennials
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Speaker 3: are the peak of human existence. So it's like, okay, well,
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Speaker 3: we have Roombas, so we are now more advanced than
56:41
Speaker 3: the ancients.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Because our Roombas can find their f * * *
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Speaker 3: ing home again when they need to recharge their battery.
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Speaker 2: The AI agent in the Matrix.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Even said the peak of your civilization.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Hell, even the little Waymos can find their way back.
56:57
Speaker 5: Yeah.
56:58
Speaker 3: But Kinos can't? Kinos can f * * * ing fly. Oh, yeah.
57:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can fly in space.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Because he grabbed it, right? He grabbed the Kino to
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Speaker 2: get to the other ship.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't know they could do that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's cool. Just can't find home base.
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Speaker 2: That's all right.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: We'll work on that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But, you know, we can get a McDonald's delivered in
57:20
Speaker 3: an Esky on wheels. So we are more advanced. You
57:25
Speaker 3: got stuck under that bridge again.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
57:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like a Kino can get, like, stuck
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Speaker 3: on a gutter or, you know, a wire across the floor.
57:33
Speaker 3: It can float.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
57:37
Speaker 3: Righto.
57:38
Speaker 2: That is episode 336.
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Speaker 1: For the greater good of the crew.
57:43
Speaker 2: It is for the greater good of the podcast. We're
57:45
Speaker 2: wrapping things up. We'll be back next week.
57:48
Speaker 3: What's the episode called? Oh, it's Malice. Malice.
57:53
Speaker 4: Oh, shit.
57:53
Speaker 2: We're back to a single word title.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, give me one word, daddy. What's that rhyme about?
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Speaker 4: Something about a chalice.
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Speaker 3: Oh, Daddy.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Jesus.
58:04
Speaker 3: Tell me about the God of Hypothesis.
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Speaker 2: Quantum God.
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Speaker 3: It's got science in it, mate. How did it take
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Speaker 3: you this long?
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Speaker 1: To turn the microphone on for your old chipmunks.
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Speaker 2: Been sitting in the corner the whole time. The whole time?
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Speaker 3: The whole time? Yeah, chipmunk me. Oh, my God. The
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Speaker 3: whole time? The whole time? The whole time?
58:32
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, Miranda, please.
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Speaker 3: Don't talk to me. Don't touch me. Don't touch me.
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Speaker 5: I have to go.
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Speaker 3: We have to leave now. I have to leave.
58:40
Speaker 2: We have to leave now.
58:41
Speaker 3: I have to go.
58:42
Speaker 2: We're going.
58:44
Speaker 3: Get into gig.
58:46
Speaker 5: Get into it.
58:48
Speaker 3: Get into gate, Stargate.
58:53
Speaker 6: And send me some aspirin.
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Speaker 3: Oh, the whole time. Yeah, the whole time, F-boy.
58:59
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Stick a Kato in my butt.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Make sure it's filming.
59:07
Speaker 5: Give me a colonoscopy
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Speaker 3: With a Kato.