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Aprilhelen - The Art of Living · Urantia Radio

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All right, well, I mean, let me introduce you.
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So we're back and I, I want to be open and honest with the
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audience because, you know, April, Helen and I have been
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laughing about this. But we actually did this
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interview not a few days ago. And it was a spectacular
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interview in every way. I was very pleased with what we
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talked about and the spontaneity.
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Just really, I just have to tell the listeners.
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It was probably one of the best interviews I've ever done.
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So obviously we're not going to let that go.
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And so now we could just talk about what we talked about in
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the previous interview. So I think that's if you're OK
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with that. So anyway, it was.
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A wonderful setup, yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
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I just but you had said something in the last interview
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that made me not blow my top, which was life is about
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challenges. You remember that when you were,
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you know, So I the challenge. Is the path.
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Yeah, so I took that, you know, and said, you know what, maybe
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there's a reason. They always say there's a reason
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for everything. So anyway, welcome back.
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How was your weekend? Yeah, thanks most for Jim.
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It's been beautiful here and I love chatting with you.
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So I'm glad that we get to do it again, especially about this
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important work of secondary works and what that even means
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and how we can inspire people to do them.
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Well, you do a lot of stuff. There's a big secondary work.
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Would you consent? Would you consider the upcoming
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thing that they're doing in Monterey a secondary work or is
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it a? Present I certainly will to
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consider conferences the International Conference of the
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Iran Civic Fellowship also supported by the other major
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organizations in the movement. Yeah, I I want to backtrack just
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a little bit to help folks out there understand where I'm
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coming from when I use that phrase secondary works.
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And I think the number one thing that is the the easiest low
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hanging fruit for all of us to do as your Anchovic students or
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any anything that you're doing in life that you're passionate
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about, the first step is living and integrity with the values
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that you say you have. So whatever you're studying and
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perhaps proselytizing and wanting to share with the good
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and for the good and service of the good, the greater good of
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humanity is literally looking at your life and seeing if you are
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in alignment with that, that that you aspire to become.
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And so then whatever comes out of that, as you create a book or
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a conference, a retreat center, being a teacher, sharing your
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information and values rather than just living them or we have
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a lot of content creators now you the podcast coming out in
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the secondary work world and, and just really lifting up the
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importance of sharing this information.
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So you would go so far as to say that the secondary works
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represent the growth of the Urantia book?
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Yes, makes, makes, because we were all wondering what was
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happening in the 70s, which was a lot of infighting.
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Well, we, you know, and that's when I was born in the year that
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my parents, 77, found the book in the then thriving Oklahoma
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City community of the readership and how that has inspired me
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throughout my life, having the UB teachings in the home.
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And of course, one of the great lessons of the Urantia book is
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allowing your children to to seek and find their own
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philosophy of living. And I out of five of the kids in
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the home and the only one that really took to it to do
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something, participate in the global movement.
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Yeah. All of the other children I've
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I've spoken to in my family that they definitely have this
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curiosity around the truth of it.
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And some even say I just, I just accepted as fact and I don't
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really even need to go any deeper.
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So that's interesting when I meet other second generation and
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even 3rd and 4th now, now that it's been on the planet for
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almost 100 years, that that's an interesting thing of who all
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really is attracted to actually do something with it.
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And, and and all of the kids in my family, they definitely live
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a higher consciousness like values induced lifestyles.
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So that again, I think is a secondary work.
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Just how are you living your life?
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You don't actually have to produce anything big.
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Just really get in the curiosity of the integrity of the values
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that you say you have, whether you're a your ancient student or
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if you're coming to this podcast from another philosophy of
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living. You know, you talked a little
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bit about the art of living, which is in the book there.
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Is that the Rodin art of living or?
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Oh, I love that those sections. Yes, I love.
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That's actually some of the most inspiring for all for my my
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work, yes. Yeah, for sure.
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Because it really, when you're young, like for me when I was
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young in that period between say 15 and 25, though, the world's a
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mess. I mean, it's it's hard to
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navigate. It's very complicated.
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You got hormones, emotions, feelings, uncertainty, all of
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those things. And it, for me, it was such a
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relief to find something at that early age where it's sort of, I
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won't say it absolved me of having to worry about it, but
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knowing the fuller picture lessen the anxiety.
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That's all I can say. Well, let's say more about that
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because actually that was one of those points that we did in our
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previous podcast. So that is so important as we
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are in this state of fluctuation, as we're on an
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experimental world without any physical celestial
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representation. So we get a manual that helps us
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to understand the cosmic eternal perspective and how comforted I
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am in the the fluctuations of society today.
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And you even you said something last time that kind of
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questioned, was it heartbreaking that when I go to Uganda and
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work with these vulnerable children and I immediately, no,
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it doesn't. I am thrilled because it's an
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opportunity. It's that section in the book
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called I think the Inevitabilities, or it's I'm
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paraphrasing. Yeah.
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It's this list that if a planet has the ideal to become a
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certain way, it has to have these equal antithesis of the
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challenge to provide the canvas to work in towards that ideal,
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say of hope or joy or equality. It has to have inequality so we
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can understand how to get to equality.
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So there's. Just.
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Enthusiasm. If a certain characteristic is
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desirable, then you have to have circumstances that actually
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challenge that in your life to you know, if loyalty is is
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valuable, then how do you learn loyalty by being put in a
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position where you're could be disloyal, for example.
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Yes, and the almost like Maran Shimoda kind of things, but not
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quite. It's in the.
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Era. In the very beginning, yeah,
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about that. Because that is a natural
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inclination. I don't know if you know this
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story. You probably do, but in the
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early days when the papers were first coming out, there were a
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lot of revisions made, particularly in the in the
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first, I think it was 11 papers or something.
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I'm not sure about that exact amount.
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But the, the, the transaction that I was told was going on
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were that the unseen friends, the revelators themselves were
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watching and monitoring the reactions of the early forum
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when they were reading the original papers.
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And they would notice that they almost had to water it down.
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Because if you remember the, the first set of papers, the 1st 57,
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I think it was 57, were questions posed by the people
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who were in the group. So many of them would have
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naturally asked questions like why is there suffering?
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Or why does God allow evil to happen?
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Because those are intrinsic questions that everybody asks.
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In fact, they they are barriers to people because they don't get
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the appropriate answer of why God allows evil.
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And you just answer that by referencing that one section
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where it talks about the inevitabilities.
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And so I. Think it's in the attributes of
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God paper. That sounds about.
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Right. Specifically pointing to what
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you just said and and that's interesting.
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I appreciate the different takes on the history of the papers.
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Yeah, and you were? When I was a kid.
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Yeah, I was gonna say, were you part of the group?
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That was it. The gentleman who I forget his
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name, Harry McMahon or Mac McNamara or something like that,
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and he had a group that had been in is in fact it was some of the
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old Bill Sadler tapes that I have that are archived on on the
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Urantia Foundation are are events at the Oklahoma.
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They were a unique Group, One of the first Urantia book groups in
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the entire country, the Oklahoma group.
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Are you aware of that? It was yes, I I grew up in that
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group and I was a little too young to really be into the
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depths deeps study of it. Yet out of all the kids who were
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in that society at the time, I was the only one that actually
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went to the study groups and sat with the adults while all the
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other kids went back and watch TV or play games, 'cause I I
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felt that there was this and now I can see.
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And it was the spirit of truth that and there now that I've
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done a lot of study in science and the art of living and
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through the lens of yoga. And there is this idea that if
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even if you don't understand something, if you hear about it
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and you read about it and the more you do that, then it's
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easier for you to understand it. So just me going and absorbing
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all of these elders and I, I loved being around older people
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anyway. I just, I've always resonated
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with the desire to be around more wisdom and experience
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experiential wisdom through the elders.
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And I was just naturally attracted in that way.
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And I think that that created more of that enthusiasm compared
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to my peers. And, and now what I'm voting all
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of my life to secondary works projects and creating courses
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and organizing conferences. And on my way to France to help
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a friend, another Urantia big student, open a retreat center
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and encouraging other people to open retreat centers and write
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books and do podcasts. And however we can, whatever
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that person is resonating with to do their part in outreach
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because it's going to have a creative uniqueness in that
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expression from that individual. And then once you start it, this
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is something that we touched on as we were in the recording that
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I'm glad that we're now hitting on now, just being bold in
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taking the first step to getting your creative juices flowing.
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It is the attractor that causes more people to come into your
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project or the funding to come into the project.
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So start talking about it. Even if you haven't taken the
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first step, start thinking about it and praying about it,
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meditating over it. Because the celestials hear you
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and they want to work with you and and get you into the
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channels of teams and funding for that project to flourish on
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the planet. Well, there is a lot of money
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floating around. I mean, I know that if you
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looked at the stock market lately, you would see that, you
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know, there's a lot of money floating.
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Some of a lot of it is debt, but a lot of it is also profit.
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And, you know, they're going to have to put that money
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somewhere. And the Urantia book is a great
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'cause because I want to, so I'm going to interrupt.
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But to make the point of what I just said, you know, I've, I've
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come to discover that there's a lot of fascination with the new,
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new Steven Spielberg movie and, and, and there's a lot of
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fascination with this idea of extraterrestrial.
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It's been around for, you know, as long as I can remember.
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When I was a kid, I heard about Betty and Barney Hill.
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And of course, Star Trek was my entry to the idea of there being
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a universe inhabited. So those early seeds found great
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Christian soil. And so when I learned from the
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Urantia book that all these things were in fact true, that
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we do live in an inhabited universe and we're not the only
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ones by far, that that reassured me.
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And I think that's what people are wanting to know.
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And maybe that's why they get that fascination with UFOs.
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But on the other hand, are you familiar with the philosophical
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Plato's Cave by any chance? Because so far, there we are.
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I studied philosophy in college. OK good, because I've asked like
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7. People.
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Nobody knew who it was and. Oh yeah, I mean, I'm like, what?
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Well, there's a character in that story that goes out of The
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Cave and he sees what's going on, and then he goes back to The
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Cave and he sees that nobody wants to know about it, if you
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know what I mean. Yeah, I don't.
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Believe. Them Yeah, let me in other
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words, there are people who are happy being in a cave and and as
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long as they're safe and protected.
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And that's also the, the overriding theme of this
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wonderful science fiction thing called Silo, which I've been
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watching on TV and it reminds me of that Plato's cave.
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The Urantia book is the getting out of The Cave and seeing
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what's, what's really out there. And then we, we are I, I suppose
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we're sort of, if you don't want to share that with, with other
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people, I don't know what would be wrong.
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You know, I mean, having that great knowledge and you would
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naturally want to share it with other people.
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But sadly, a lot of people maybe are comfortable not knowing the
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truth. I don't know.
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That's just something that has occurred to me that on the one
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hand we want to know, but on the other hand, do we?
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But what do we do with that information once we?
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Well, right. I had a friend of mine tell me
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he read the Urantia book and he said, you know, this is a
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beautiful book. I wish that I could come to the
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point where I could believe it's true and I'm not going to be
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able to get there. And I I thought about that for
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years. You know, it's like he wanted to
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believe that this story is the right one, but he just couldn't,
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he couldn't make that. What, what was the emotional
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capture for you? In other words, when did you in
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your life finally say, this? Is it, this is the truth?
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Did you have that moment or was it always sort of there?
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You know, as a second Gen. I it, it has always been there
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and I even have noticed about myself where I just kind of took
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it for granted. Yet when I found the path of
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yoga and deep diving into the classical 8 fold, if people
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don't and know about the the eightfold path, which is
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basically, if we're not using the the Sanskrit word yoga, I
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look at it as the art of living. And so when I got onto that path
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and really started taking a deeper dive into studying other
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philosophies, because the yoranship, it says you're going
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to find truth and everything, you're also going to find non
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truth. So do your best to investigate a
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plethora like the cornucopia of interfaith and even non faith
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realities. And and then every time I did it
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just validated it more and more. Well, this just seems like the
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most logical thing. And a lot of people ask, is it a
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religion? No, what it does exclaim is that
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you are your own religion, you through your art of living and
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higher consciousness of who you are participating in the whole
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and from the cosmic creation, the creative parents who created
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all of us, that is your religion.
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So what is that? Yes, you can learn dogmatic and
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institutionalized thinking and that's a wonderful way to get a
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socialized religion through community and service tour in
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that community of faith and and even non faith believers.
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Yet it's that individuals experience and participation
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that creates that religion. So what is the Orangetic?
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It's a it's a guidebook. It's it's a a college course on
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universal mechanisms and just rooting back to the comfort that
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it brings with the larger cosmic perspective and the
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encouragement to actually participate for the what I call
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the G3, the greatest good for the greatest number for the
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greatest length of time and making our decisions towards
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that supreme being. It's this aspect of God that is
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the evolving. God that we through our
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decisions and participatory action into the whole is
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actually adding value to this evolutionary aspect of God.
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I, that is the first aspect of God that I really resonated with
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as a child and, and therefore when I, I was in theater and
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dance and had that aim all of high school, grade school, high
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school, and then thankfully a blessing in disguise, I had a
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car accident that then shifted me into physical therapy.
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And therefore I found yoga and was able to teach all these
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higher consciousness revelatory concepts through the lens of
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teaching yoga. And that has helped me for 30
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years. And now it was just last year at
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the summer study where I something switched in me that
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now I am much more bold and proclaiming that the Urantia
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book and not just being so elusive about it and, and
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waiting for someone to ask me where I receive some type of
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information. And that actually is a
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interesting thing that's going on in the movement right now
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that now that we're in about the 100 years, a lot of people are
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talking about the grassroots nature of the growth of the
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movement was good for the 1st 100 years.
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Yet now why not do a little bit more to advertise marketing like
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mass marketing. And although I think all of the
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secondary works projects that have come about in the last 100
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years, there now is this greater enthusiasm about conceptualizing
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what a mass marketing global plan might look like and getting
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funding for it. And there's been some pushback.
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Yeah, I'll tell you what, the only time that I think that's a
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bad idea is when I'm reading the book, when I'm reading the book.
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Because when I read the book, I say there's no way that knowing
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Mass, that humanity the way I know them and our shortfalls
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there, there's just too many people that will never be able
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to appreciate the literary genius of this book because it's
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so condensed, as you know. And so that's in one way it
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makes it profound. But like I say, not everybody
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wants to leave The Cave. Some people are, you know,
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there's a, there's a quotation about, you know, organized
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religion is a thing because people want it, because it gives
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them the ability to express their love and their, and their
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devotion and loyalty and their love for God and love for the
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Mother Mary in Christ. So the ceremony is a, is sort of
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our contribution to it. I think we like it.
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We, we embrace it. The Urantia book isn't that kind
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of a religion where it tells you how to celebrate and what days
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to have holidays. And you know how many times you
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say this and do that and, and even Christ and his teaching
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said, I don't want religion to be that way.
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I want religion to be a way of life and a way of thinking and a
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way of doing and serving in that golden rule.
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True religion is, is the day-to-day of how we express our
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devotion to the to God's will or God's desire, which is really
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the desire for everyone to serve each other.
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That's about as simple as it gets.
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But I, I think, you know, that's what the Urantia book sort of
24:19
lacks is that magical appeal. Perhaps it's great
24:23
intellectually and it's great spiritually, but some sometimes
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it, it's sort of pragmatic. You know, it's almost like a
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bunch of very high intellectual spiritual people sat around and
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wrote this book. Yes, definitely.
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That is the. That is the importance of the
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readership. If they feel compelled to do
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something to get this message out into mainstream, it's
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whatever secondary works that they can think of to bring it
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down to layman terms. And one of my favorites.
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And I fantasize and I think you are too.
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And I know of several other producers of writing
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screenplays. My direction would be sci-fi,
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you know, thriller action, taking the four parts of the
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book and doing a blockbuster series.
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And I've started writing and I'm who knows, you know, what, how
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long that will take or you know, I'm, I'm halfway through the
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average lifespan. So we'll see if if that will
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come to reality yet. Anything like that.
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And I've, I've noticed a lot of social media is coming out of
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content creators that they may not even say the Urantia book.
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They may have it just minimally in in their production, yet they
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are more and more getting the teachings out well.
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And then that links back to what is the first thing that you
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really need to do as secondary works is actually live it.
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Take it out of the intellectualization and actually
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live it. And you know, not all your
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ancient book readers do that. I've, I've interacted with
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plenty who do and plenty who need a lot of work in it.
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So if ever the baseline, we can encourage people that to look at
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themselves to know themselves, to really see if they're in
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alignment with with what they're trying to get people to
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understand. Yeah, well, yeah, I, I, I guess
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so. But you know, we got to pay the
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bills, April. And I mean, we don't have time
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to sit around, hold study groups and do all that, that stuff.
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It's all good. It feels good.
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But you know, some of us are just sitting out and, you know,
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we're, we're empty nesters and we now finally have the time to
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absorb the book. I just find the whole
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preparatory experience of knowing or at least thinking
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that I know what's ahead. And that's what excites me.
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And it, it makes, makes this life even more meaningful if
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you, if you can get that you mentioned, which I thought was a
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great phrase that you are, you describe yourself.
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I think I got it right as a militant optimist.
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Yes. I mean, can you retell that
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story for our wonderful listeners?
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Well, the, you know, militant, that definitely expresses kind
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of even a negative context if we think of military.
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Yet if we put optimism towards that, it goes back to what I
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used to have the motto, as I said earlier in the podcast, the
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challenge is the path. One of my earliest lessons pre
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preteen was you're going to have challenges because those are the
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things that help you gain experiential wisdom by learning
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your lessons. So what is the ideal in that
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situation is learning how to move and navigate through the
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inevitable challenges of life with grace and with ease.
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And and when you're in that moment of choosing whether you
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want to take the side of suffering and or knowing that is
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what I some philosophers call volunteering, the suffering
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volunteer suffering. Yeah, that turns it not into
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anything you. Mean like lean into it.
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Like just lean into it and notice.
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Yes. And take the challenge, know
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that it's going to produce the experiential wisdom.
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And the quicker you can move into the space of acceptance
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through that observation, the quicker you can move on to the
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next challenge and grow in grace and in faith.
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And knowing that, well, you were saying it, that expanded
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perspective of what's coming after this planet, then it, it,
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it puts our mind at ease as, okay, so the universe of the
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school, the entire universe is an education system.
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And then once you fuse with the creator, then you get to go out
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and and serve and teach and be administers of of worlds and
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take on jobs. I mean, I mean you and I Cool.
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Is. That it is cool, it's very cool.
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But some people, I mean, that's the point is like, you know,
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some people hearing that for the first time, they it's almost
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unbelievable. But you know, through logic and
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intellect and faith, as Meredith Sprunger so famously said, if it
29:52
isn't like that, it should be. If the universe isn't like what
29:56
the UB says and it it should be or it's pretty darn close.
30:00
And of course, I always throw out, well, show me something
30:02
better. But anyway, I got a couple more
30:04
questions for you here. So stay positive.
30:08
That's, you know, the art of living.
30:10
All of that is good. The three pillars, you know,
30:12
mind matter and spirit balance. And I and I do believe that that
30:17
philosophy could go so far into alleviating the the massive
30:21
mental illness that's going on in our world.
30:24
And I would like to see as a secondary offshoot of the
30:28
Urantia book is if if there was someone who could apply the
30:31
Urantia book teachings in a way that would be therapeutic to
30:35
people who are seeking counselling for anxiety or
30:39
depression, rather than the default, which is take two of
30:42
these and I'll see you in a year, which is what would
30:45
become. That's cool, right.
30:47
So that's. I know of a lot of several that
30:51
are doing that in their work, including me over the last 30
30:55
years. Well.
30:57
That there needs to be more of it and.
30:59
Strangers. Yeah, I think we could, we could
31:02
be an adjunct to because mental illness is probably the number
31:06
one health issue in the country besides nutrition and they are a
31:10
related which is interesting. You know what I also find
31:14
interesting is that Kellogg, Wilfred the The Who was
31:17
suspected of being the sleeping subject.
31:19
His brother is the, the man who had a sanitarium in Battle
31:25
Creek, MI, which was not far from where the foundation is.
31:30
And it's that little area of Indiana and Michigan and, and
31:35
they, he was the first to connect nutrition with mental
31:39
health like and, and, and, and the pharma industry has
31:43
completely ignored it. It's it's a, it's a shame and
31:47
it's a travesty. And in science, maybe they've
31:51
proven it, but I know that there's enough studies to show
31:53
that spirituality and faith are great tools to fighting mental
31:58
illness. And we don't practice it.
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And the reason we don't practice it today is because of this
32:04
hesitancy to get involved with religion.
32:08
You know, it's become such a hot topic.
32:11
And This is why they're debating.
32:12
They're still debating 10 commandments and whether they
32:14
should be in the classroom, anything to do with religion.
32:17
It's it's, it's a whole group of people who don't want to go
32:20
there. And it's a So maybe the Urantia
32:23
book could maybe bend that curve back the other way where we
32:27
address mental illness through spiritual therapy as well as
32:30
emotional therapy. And in the other things too.
32:33
But do you think you agree with me on that?
32:35
Can you get with your connections and I'll get with
32:37
mine and we'll see if maybe we can form an organization, you
32:42
know? Well, I'm a nonprofit.
32:45
Lovingly disagree that you just said that we aren't practicing
32:51
that. And I, I don't see that.
32:54
I see the world right now is coming into that and people are
33:00
doing it through many different modalities like yoga and the the
33:07
important part of reframing that word religion to mean your
33:14
personal adventure. And it is you coming into the
33:20
integrity of your art of living that will then encourage people.
33:27
Once you get ignited and start living it, then your energetic
33:33
frequency raises and people are then attracted to you and, and
33:41
you get to to expand upon how this is and why this is and, and
33:48
share it. And certainly science is
33:51
catching up to all of the things that we're talking about,
33:56
specifically that energetic frequency piece associated with
34:01
the mind and emotions and how it affects the physical material,
34:08
not only through thoughts, yet in nutrition, nutritional
34:14
intake, like not just food, yet sleep and movement.
34:20
And I just read an article that some it came out where thoughts
34:26
are the first thing that you should be considering.
34:29
And, and through my courses, I teach a lot about the clarity
34:34
around your inner landscape, your inner dialogue with who I
34:39
call God, whatever you want to call it, whether it's your
34:43
higher self or whatever is going on in your mind.
34:47
And that's why it's so important to not only learn meditation,
34:53
which actually first comes concentration, you have to learn
34:57
how to concentrate before you can actually meditate.
35:02
And then meditating on different realities or projects.
35:08
And, and then where that goes in, in spiritual terms, you
35:12
know, prayer, communion, coming into worship of your, the, the
35:19
one who created you and just sitting in that presence so that
35:26
you can shift your energetic frequency, which shifts your
35:31
energetic field around you, which then shifts all the things
35:36
that you do in it and the people you allow in it.
35:40
And I mean, it's definitely this ripple effect of so if we're
35:46
talking to y'all out there, how are your thoughts?
35:49
What are you thinking? What words are you choosing that
35:52
roots back to the militant optimism?
35:54
Yeah. So whenever I, I.
35:57
Don't know what you got, but I'll buy what you're selling,
35:59
you know so. Let's I already have an
36:04
organization so we can expand. It.
36:05
Oh, I see. OK, All right.
36:07
What is your organization? Yeah, I created with some.
36:12
Other. Arrangement readers several
36:14
years ago, it's called Concentric Circles and our motto
36:18
is making ripples. And it actually started with
36:22
something that you and I have talked about in the past, my
36:26
affiliation with this children's home in Uganda.
36:30
And it we first created it as a nonprofit specifically for that.
36:35
Yet now it has expanded into welcoming other secondary work
36:40
creators as us as a fiscal sponsor, yet also mentors to get
36:46
your project. So if anybody you are out there
36:50
who needs some mentorship, we just created an online school.
36:55
I need websites. I need websites.
36:58
I need e-mail addresses. You got to give that stuff to me
37:00
so I can post it up on the, the, the, yeah.
37:06
For those of you who are listening now, it's concentric
37:09
circles.worldaprilhelen.com. Yeah, there's several other
37:15
Spirit is another one that that is the secondary works database
37:19
that we're expanding or it's really I'm a one man show, one
37:23
woman show on that and I'm calling it any other team
37:26
members that want to participate in that way?
37:30
Well, I'm sure they will. Obviously you can hear it in
37:33
your voice, the enthusiasm, the excitement, and it's infectious.
37:37
So I'm, I might put you on the spot, but let me ask you anyway.
37:40
As we close out, sometimes I like to ask, but who is your
37:43
favorite personality in the Orangi book or your favorite
37:46
apostle? Who did you sort of connect with
37:50
in that experience? I know everybody has a favorite.
37:52
Anybody that stands out for you. Yeah.
37:55
Oh my gosh. Well, I.
37:57
Said earlier. The first, the first, well, Him
38:00
too. Yet my first connection with God
38:04
was the Supreme Being. Right now in my life, I'm really
38:09
admiring and working with the midwares.
38:13
And for those of you who don't know, the midwares, midwares and
38:17
angels actually outnumber humans on this planet.
38:21
So picture that like grossly outnumber us.
38:25
And the midwares specifically are what they call the actual
38:31
residence of the planet because they stay here when as humans
38:36
continue to transition on to the mansion worlds and then on and
38:40
on until the Isle of Paradise. So I'm really fascinated and
38:45
calling in partnership with the midwares right now.
38:49
Thanks for asking that. Sure, you know that's
38:53
fascinating. And that's a whole hour unto
38:55
itself. Yes, it is.
38:59
And I wanted to talk about the Father's temple project, but
39:01
we'll save that. I always try to keep this at a
39:05
certain that's what the that's what the consultants tell me,
39:08
but we'll have you back. And I, I just for me that I want
39:14
to answer that question because I've changed.
39:16
It's now John the Baptist, because John the Baptist is a,
39:19
is a story that I don't think it's told.
39:22
And when you're talking about a script, I've actually written
39:25
the script. I've, I had the idea in my, my
39:28
mind for decades, you know, in reading that, that chapter on
39:31
him and his relationship with Jesus and their youth.
39:35
And in my mind, I sort of formulated the screenplay on how
39:39
I would like to see it. And, and then a couple of weeks
39:43
ago, I was talking to somebody about the Urantia book and, and
39:46
told them, you know, I really want to bring it to life, like
39:48
what you were saying. And she and the lady said, well,
39:52
why don't you do it like you, you know, just do it, you know,
39:56
what are you waiting for? Even if you know?
39:58
And so anyway, I spent about 3 or 4 days outlining it and then
40:04
bavoom, it's all done. So now I just have to find
40:06
somebody who wants the script. You want the script?
40:08
You want me to give it to you? I'll send you a copy of it.
40:12
We're calling it in, you know, I'm ready, but I know that other
40:16
organizations and all kidding aside, yeah, it is something
40:19
that I'm excited about right now and I'll continue to update
40:23
people on that. But I know CFU is doing some
40:26
great secondary works. They've got some exciting things
40:30
that they're doing. It is an exciting time for the
40:33
Urantia book and it is starting to reach that, that level where
40:37
it's exponential growth. And I just, I'm excited, more
40:41
excited than I have been in a long, long time.
40:44
So with that being said, yeah. Yes.
40:49
Anyway, final thoughts. Well, that.
40:53
OK. What about this?
40:55
Are they sold out at this? Just one more plug for the July
40:58
event. Are they sold out?
41:00
Yeah. OK.
41:01
And how do they find out more about that?
41:03
They're not. So it's on the Urantia Big
41:09
Fellowships website. Our registration is open
41:12
currently for commuters which there are rentals around the
41:19
land and even a camping. And I think if you contacted A
41:24
Solomar, there may even still be some rooms available that aren't
41:30
a part of our block yet. You can still stay on campus and
41:35
we are completely welcoming you to join us in near Monterey, CA
41:42
this year, July 12th through 16th with a pre conference.
41:46
Actually there's also a pre conference in Eden Springs,
41:51
which is a retreat center around, it's a West of Reno, NV
41:56
just on the other side inside the California border.
42:01
And so that's going to be around the 9th through the 12th for
42:05
about I think they have 40 attending and that's more
42:08
camping. And so all of these awesome
42:12
things that are happening this summer for summer vacations,
42:16
come one, come all. Even if you're not your Rancho
42:19
Book readers yet, we have a lot of information for beginners and
42:23
we welcome you into the community.
42:26
That's great. Thank you so much, April.
42:27
Helen here on the Rancho Radio Podcast.
42:30
Joe, Well, my pleasure to you always bring lots of good stuff
42:34
to the show. So thank you for that and we'll
42:36
talk to you again soon.