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Lessons - The New Mental Health Revolution | Jose Muñoz - Psychedelic Research Pioneer · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  In this lessons episode, explore how ketamine assisted therapy uses neuroplasticity to support
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  lasting mental change. Discover how intention and repetition help reshape habits and thinking
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  patterns, understand why integration determines long-term outcomes beyond the experience,
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  and uncover how personalized protocols turn insight into real life behavioral improvement.
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  For neuroplasticity, if you're saying that this ketamine improves neuroplasticity, that
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  is the requirement of learning like a new thing, right? Like neuroplasticity. So in theory,
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  could this be used to like fast track the learning of a new skill as well? Because whenever
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  you do something- What can I say? Absolutely. Because if you do something, I mean this is probably
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  like the off label. The off label youth. But I mean, if you think about neuroplasticity,
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  if you do something 10,000 times, that is what you're increasing for that particular thing.
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  Absolutely. The skill that we're working with is happiness here. That's the skill that we're
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  allowing people to really work on. And happiness is incredibly subjective. It is the idea that you
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  can change habits, skills, ways of behaving, ways of thinking. There's a lot of people that
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  think in a very negative way. I myself have a lot of people I know that the concept of being
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  inherently pessimistic, somebody that just looks at the world and if it's a rainy day,
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  they automatically their whole day is going to go from that type of pessimistic outlook.
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  That's all in your mind. Of course. Really a powerful tool to start thinking positively
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  and getting your brain to kind of do it without thinking. That's a habit that psychedelic medicine
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  can help you. Any form of habit that you want to change, you're actually in this neuroplastic
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  window state. I allow you to learn much faster. You have to figure out a way to exercise that
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  particular habit while you're in that window. When I even think about this neuroplastic state,
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  it could be anything from playing the piano to learning a language to all of this is required
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  to have some sort of, if you had a way of fast track, the pathways that are built while you're
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  learning that particular thing, that could be an incredible, almost like a, I don't think kind of
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  of mean it's actually considered a new topic. But I mean, the function is there from a human
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  optimization standpoint. Absolutely. I think our company itself, even from a cap table perspective,
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  people like Aubrey Marcus being one of our main investors, and this concept of utilizing the
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  medicine to become the best version of yourself. Hence looking at things such as mental health
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  is one of the main reasons why we do what we do. Very cool. Learning is repetition. It has
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  different components, but repetition is one of the key aspects of it. So in psychedelic medicine,
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  I really want to reiterate this because it's a very important factor that we strongly believe in
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  the company and the industry as a whole. Psychedelics, again, do not do the trick alone. So there is
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  important aspects such as intention setting, actually understanding from therapeutic standpoint,
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  why am I going to go into a psychedelic experience? Why am I actually taking treatment? Instead of
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  taking just a daily pill from a surgical industry has been teaching us for a long time, why am I
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  actually going to try to take a deep look at myself and be able to change the way I think?
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  And that intention is actually what allows you to have a much more effective treatment.
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  And then most importantly, to your point is the aspect of integration. It really is the key
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  to prosperity and long-term change. It is the idea that whatever experience you go through,
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  whether it's positive or negative, you need to learn, adapt, and generate insights from.
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  And that is really the powerful aspect that psychedelics medicines bring is the key to open the door
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  to a successful integration or to a breakthrough integration effort.
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  So if you, okay, so now you're in this state for an hour and a half every single week.
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  So what's the actual protocol that somebody would go through once they take ketamine?
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  In our case, we believe that life is very hectic, that people need the opportunity to heal
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  and become forward of their day-to-day life. And that for us becomes the comfort of your home,
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  becomes the idea that we want to empower yourself to be able to make the change that you need.
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  So in our case, the protocol initiates by doing a thought provoking exercise of intention setting.
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  By asking yourself questions and journaling about why is it that you're going to go into a
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  psychedelic experience, as I mentioned before, the idea of generating breathwork exercises
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  for you to be able to go into this calm state. And then while you're on the experience,
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  letting your brain discover and explore these different type of questions that you've put out
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  to yourself. I think scientists know this a lot because it has happened and multiple,
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  let's just call it, this covers, have happened right before or during a sleep.
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  When people go to sleep thinking of a problem or thinking of an issue and sometimes wake up
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  with a solution. Writers, for example, wake up with a sentence that they would like to put in their
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  next lyric. And that itself is the power of the brain of allowing yourself to go into a meditative
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  state or a state in which the frequency in which your different areas of the brain communicate
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  come up with a certain conclusion. That is really the aspect of the journey itself of one hour
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  and 15 minutes. It's a deep dive meditation experience, which you have the ability to explore
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  different concepts that are at a speed in a way that is quite unique. And then afterwards,
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  you then need to try to dissect these type of insights, things that you're being able to see
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  to think about and try to apply them to your day-to-day. Almost like getting perspective to
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  then share it big. What are the different insights that you would like to put forward in your life?
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  And when you're in this state, because it would be hard to understand what this is like
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  unless you've actually done it. When you're in this state, you're lucid, like you're aware,
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  and you can choose what you want to focus on. There's a lot of things that...
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  It's not like, because I've heard with high-osca, you don't actually choose
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  100% of the time what you're able to focus on. Absolutely.
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  In the case of ketamine, in the difference with many other psychedelic substances,
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  is that you do have in a much more direct capacity control over the experience,
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  especially in the low dosages that wonder met as a company is doing in the industry.
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  Really, one of the very few is not the only one, a large scale, that it's currently doing
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  lower to the medium dose of ketamine. You're very much aware.
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  You do have and feel some form of the sedative component of ketamine being an anesthetic,
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  how it originated as a substance. But because you're in a subanesthetic level of dosing,
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  you actually go into the experience having control over the thoughts. It's true that
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  what we've built is the idea of you being able to go into a music journey
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  that curates the experience, and you very much see how your thoughts and experience
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  navigates based on the music. So it's not that you necessarily have the pure control
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  over every single thought, but you're very much aware. I mean, even when we're sitting here,
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  you don't have 100% control over thoughts anyway. Absolutely.
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  So it's a very powerful and unique opportunity for people that have never tried something like this,
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  that have been taken traditional forms of medication, and things haven't changed the way
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  they thought they would or things have now progressed and have the feeling of feeling a stuck.
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  It really brings them an opportunity to test a psychedelic experience in this case coming from
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  ketamine as a substance, where they can feel control, they can feel safe, and yet be able to feel
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  something quite unique. Okay, so what is the actual results of using ketamine? I want to actually
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  go into the business of building a company like this as well, because it's very interesting.
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  You completely pivoted industry. It's like a complete 180, which is like it's also like it's also
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  like an incredible story like it's a CEO for you to be able to do that too. It's not always easy
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  to go into a brand new industry you've never worked in, raise a whole bunch of money, build a company,
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  and build it successfully, and I know it's still like it's early-ish, but you've done quite well.
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  So I want to figure out like the business of building a ketamine company, but the results. Okay,
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  so let's actually like I want to sort of highlight what this does for people. What are the results
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  that you've seen on people that actually take this? The ketamine clinics are now all over the US,
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  I think, and that is probably one of the more popular and probably only legal if I'm not mistaken.
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  Currently in the utilization of it for mental health, the utilization of it on an off-label use
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  by clinicians is out of the main substances. Yeah, you can consider from CO7 LSD. It is.
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  It is very new. It's an exploding industry. It's a blue ocean market. How new is this? How
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  new is this? That's the really special aspect. Ketamine has been utilized for the past five decades.
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  You mentioned that like 50 years, almost. Yeah, and it's also substance that has been utilized
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  on the ER setting as an anesthetic because it had incredibly safe profiles for the utilization
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  of large dosing on anesthetic. And then doctors, such as for example, Dr. John Crystal out of
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  Yale University, started to understand and discover the different antidepressive effects that ketamine
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  has a substance had. So in terms of it being new as a substance has been available for a long time,
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  but it is starting to be accessible for people in these new off-label use. One of the main aspects
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  of this that has allowed it is technology and telemedicine platforms that have been able to go
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  into states in which a statistical analysis has been done in terms of the resources for mental
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  health that people have. And in some states, you have one therapist for every 4,000 people.
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  So it's a very interesting way of looking at this as an opportunity that never existed before.
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  From how big the demand is, is incredibly large. And I think that as a company, something that I
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  want to reiterate is this is very noble. A lot of people are catching into it. But we need to do
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  this in a very responsible way. And I think there's only a handful of companies that are really taking
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  the hard look at the science and wanting to do this from a research standpoint in generalization
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  of data. And the true understanding of what these medicine is doing for people.
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  Okay, like I'm assuming when there's financial opportunity, there's people that may not follow
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  all the rules and you know, dot the eyes and grossities. You just actually mentioned before we start
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  recording. Now there's a ketamine task force that is going out and looking at some of these companies.
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  What are the, what are the potential negatives? Like what, what could the abuse, like within
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  the other form of medication, the maluse of it, the idea that people might start using it,
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  or clinics start just dispensing it without the appropriate efforts and the appropriate reasoning
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  behind it. But you mentioned something about effectiveness. And what have we been seeing?
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  Yeah, positive from India. So let me, I'm going to explain this in two ways.
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  One is through a statistical explanation of what we've been seeing so far in data.
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  And two is the actual impact that we're making in the world. From a statistical standpoint,
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  patients that have gone through wonder met and have done one month's treatment, 95% of them
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  have showcased an average reduction in their levels of anxiety and depression of 42%.
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  And that is a very, very impressive, very impressive numbers. Now granted, we launched three
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  months ago, there's a lot of things that need to happen. A lot of more of a larger population
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  with already been seen hundreds and hundreds of patients, but there is a lot more to come.
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  And a lot of more research and data analysis to be done for it to be. How do you measure that?
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  Primarily through subjective serving, like the psychiatrist industry hasn't mentioned before,
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  does things such as the pH Q9 or the J87 or the sad 10 surveys that ask you about your well-being.
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  But what I really want to hone in is how can this actually change your life?
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  It's not a survey that says that you have less anxiety. Is you changing your life?
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  Are patients are eroded using their anxiety? Yes, but they're moving out of the country.
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  They're getting married. They're getting divorced. Some people are decided that they're
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  going to spend more time with their kids. Some people are starting to work out.
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  There are some people that are starting to travel. There are some people learning a new language.
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  There is actual physical and real change happening people's lives through the decision-making,
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  conscious decision-making that has come from the treatment.
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  And that is really why I believe that these personalized experience or personalized
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  impact that we're having on people actually has a positive effect in mental health.
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