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Credlin | 21 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kreenbland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. It's a huge show
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Speaker 2: to night. There's a lot around here and overseas. Let's
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Speaker 2: take a look at what's coming up in the program.
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Speaker 2: Labor continues to fund on immigration and national security. Reports
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Speaker 2: today that more than sixty thousand failed asylum seekers, so
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Speaker 2: they're not refugees, won't go home, staying in Australia and
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Speaker 2: they're working and studying on bridging visas and you won't
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Speaker 2: believe how few people have actually been deported. The latest
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Speaker 2: warning from Australia Energy Market Operator highlighting the ineptitude of
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Speaker 2: Labour's energy policies as a nation faces blackouts at a
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Speaker 2: costly bill to get electricity resources up to scratch, and
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Speaker 2: it's going to get a lot worse come summer. Perhaps
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Speaker 2: that's another reason why the Prime Minister's looking at an
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Speaker 2: early election. Chris Jorvan's just returned from the trip up
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Speaker 2: north working on a new project. He says it's absolutely
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Speaker 2: critical to Australia's future security. He joins me tonight to
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Speaker 2: tell us law and as the International Criminal Court seeks
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Speaker 2: to arrest is Raeli Prime Minister and the Defense Minister.
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Speaker 3: Of alleging war crimes.
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Speaker 2: You, as President Joe Biden, has stood beside his ally,
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Speaker 2: which is more than can be said for our own
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: Let me be clear, we reject the ICC's application for
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Speaker 4: restaur warrants against as well as Ani, whenever these warrants
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Speaker 4: may imply there is no equivalence between Israel and hamas well.
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Speaker 5: I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let alone
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Speaker 5: court processes globally, of which Australia is not a party.
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Speaker 6: More viewers that Australia should stand shoulders shoulder with President Biden,
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Speaker 6: and he's shown the strength of leadership to stand up
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Speaker 6: against this equivalence which is completely and utterly repugnant. This
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Speaker 6: action is anti Semitic and it is against the interests
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Speaker 6: of peace in the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: We will stay with that issue.
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Speaker 2: The decision and announcement today by the International Criminal Court's
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Speaker 2: Chief Prosecutor, the secretar rest warrants against Israeli Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and Defense Minister supposedly for war crimes is a clear
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Speaker 2: case of moral derangement.
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Speaker 7: No foot soldier, no commander, no civilian leader, no one
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Speaker 7: connect with impunity nothing on earth can justify wilfully depriving
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Speaker 7: human beings, including women, women and children, babies, the old
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Speaker 7: and the young, of the basic necessities required for life.
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Speaker 2: Now true, he is also seeking arrest warrants against three
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Speaker 2: senior letters of Hamas, but they're underground, and they are
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Speaker 2: in hiding, and they're not democratically accountable in the way
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Speaker 2: the two Israelis are, as far as the international criminal
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Speaker 2: courts concerned its prosecutor. At least, there's a moral equivalence
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Speaker 2: between the democratically elected government of Israel waging a just
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Speaker 2: war against the terrorist enclave pledged to its extermination, and
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Speaker 2: the Hamas leadership that unleashed a barbaric, depraved, and unprovoked
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Speaker 2: attack on Israel and is still holding upwards of one
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Speaker 2: hundred Israeli hostages. The clear inference of this decision is
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Speaker 2: that there's no right of self defense against an enemy
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Speaker 2: that uses civilians as a shield, because significant civilian casualties
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Speaker 2: constitute a potential war crime. As Israel's Pmbibnat Yahoo said today,
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Speaker 2: this decision is the equivalent of equating Asama bin Laden
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Speaker 2: with George W.
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Speaker 3: Bush.
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Speaker 8: Wester Khan creates a twisted and false moral equivalence between
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Speaker 8: the leaders of Israel and the French Bill of Kamas.
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Speaker 8: This is like creating a moral equivalence after September eleventh
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Speaker 8: between President Bush and Osama bin Laden, or during World
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Speaker 8: War Two between FDR and Hitler. What a travesty of justice,
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Speaker 8: what a disgrace.
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Speaker 3: Or Churchill of Hitler?
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Speaker 2: For once, US President Joe Biden was on the money
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Speaker 2: when he called it simply outrageous, because if it's backed
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Speaker 2: up by the Court itself and accepted by most nations,
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Speaker 2: it will mean that any democracy defending itself against a
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Speaker 2: ruthless aggressor will fight with one hand tied behind its back.
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Speaker 2: Any democracy accepting this latest concept of international law will
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Speaker 2: be forced to hold back even in an existential struggle
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Speaker 2: against a terrorist organization. This decision to seek war crimes
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Speaker 2: arrests against democratic Israelis shows how biased international institutions have become,
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Speaker 2: dominated by what once were Third World countries and swayed
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Speaker 2: by China. Here is Senior Republican Senator Mitch bacconnell on
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Speaker 2: the kangaroo court that is the ICC.
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Speaker 9: The ICC hasceedd only in discrediting itself even further as
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Speaker 9: a rogue kangaroo court, utterly untothered to morality or gustice.
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Speaker 2: How weak too many in the West have become. After
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Speaker 2: momentary outrage against the October seven atrocities, there's been constant
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Speaker 2: criticism of Israel, even though the Israeli military had done
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Speaker 2: their utmost to minimize civilian casualties, despite the practice of
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Speaker 2: Hamas who deliberately put weaponry and combatants in schools and hospitals. Ultimately,
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Speaker 2: we have to be clear who's to blame for the
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Speaker 2: killings in the Middle East. There was a cease fire
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Speaker 2: on October six. Hamas broke that on October seven, And
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Speaker 2: the only reason there's not a ceasefire now is because
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Speaker 2: her mask refuses to give up any and all of
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Speaker 2: its hostages. It refuses to accept Israel's right to exist,
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Speaker 2: and it insists on a you holocaust with Palestine jew
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Speaker 2: free from the river to the sea. That's why the
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Speaker 2: PM silence on this today was so contemptible.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let
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Speaker 5: alone court processes globally, of which Australia is not a party.
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Speaker 10: Did you read.
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Speaker 11: I just answered the same question.
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Speaker 3: That's gutlessness in a hard hat I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, surely he realized that there's a difference between a
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Speaker 2: terrorist group and a democratic government fighting in self defense.
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Speaker 2: And if he doesn't realize that, does he realize that
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Speaker 2: if the court does issue these warrants, Australia would be
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Speaker 2: obliged to the Israeli PM should he come here. Yet again,
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Speaker 2: Albanez is showing voters that he's just not up to
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Speaker 2: the job of prime minister. His judgment's poor, he lacks
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Speaker 2: moral courage, and today he was shamefully weak at a
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Speaker 2: time when the world needs leaders of strength. Other isshes too,
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Speaker 2: So this one rolls on. The slow motion train wreck
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Speaker 2: that is Australia's energy policy just gets worse. Today's energy
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Speaker 2: market operator warned that blackouts were likely this summer because
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Speaker 2: we can't rely on intermittent, whether dependent power to keep
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Speaker 2: the lights on yet because of the Albanza government's admissions obsession.
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Speaker 2: That's precisely what Australia is stuck with, an effective moratorium
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Speaker 2: on new gas of cold projects and a complete reliance
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Speaker 2: on wind and solar with battery backup, even though that
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Speaker 2: can't run a modern industrial economy on a grit that's
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Speaker 2: held together with the equivalent of band aids in super glue,
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Speaker 2: even if it were worth doing, which it's not, because
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Speaker 2: it's a recipe for economic disaster. The so called transition
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Speaker 2: that this government so fixated upon, well it simply isn't happening.
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Speaker 2: We're still relying on coal for sixty percent of our
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Speaker 2: total power, and at different times in the course of
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Speaker 2: any twenty four hour period, often one hundred percent relying
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Speaker 2: on coal because coal is cheaper than gas and it's
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Speaker 2: available twenty four to seven. We're still relying on coal
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Speaker 2: for sixty percent of our total power. As I said,
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Speaker 2: this is madness. We're subsidizing wind and solar to reduce emissions.
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Speaker 2: We're subsidizing coal to keep the lights on. We're subsidizing
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Speaker 2: consumers because Australia's electricity prices have gone through the roof.
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Speaker 2: I mean, where's the money coming from. If this whole
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Speaker 2: subsidy merry go rounded never started in the first place,
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Speaker 2: we would still have cheap, reliable power, and in the
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Speaker 2: normal course of events, unsubsidized power companies would have upgraded
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Speaker 2: Australia's coal fired power stations to reduce emissions by some
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Speaker 2: forty percent, because that's how much better than new col
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Speaker 2: fied powerstations are compared to the old ones we currently have. Instead,
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Speaker 2: we've got Labour's fanciful claim that renewal was a cheap
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Speaker 2: because wind and solar are free. We'll ask yourself this,
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Speaker 2: are you paying more for your power bill now than
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Speaker 2: you were five years ago?
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Speaker 3: Of course you are.
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Speaker 2: As well as being hit as a consumer, you're also
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Speaker 2: being hit as a taxpayer. Snowy two point zero, Well,
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Speaker 2: that was supposed to cost two billion, be done and
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Speaker 2: finished in five years. Well it's now costing US at
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Speaker 2: least twelve billion, and it will take twelve years if
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Speaker 2: if it ever happens.
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Speaker 1: I don't think Snowy too will ever generate a megawatt
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Speaker 1: of power.
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Speaker 11: The excuse me.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it will ever generate power. That's my
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Speaker 1: personal view. And by the way, recently I was at
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Speaker 1: the conference and I discussed with a number of energy experts,
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Speaker 1: and I wasn't alone in that assessment.
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Speaker 2: Every new power project, except for rooftop solar, is subject
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Speaker 2: to delay due to farmer protests in the case of
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Speaker 2: new transmission lines and large scale solar conservation protests in
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Speaker 2: the case of new wind turbines in Pristine Bush and
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Speaker 2: along our coastline and green lawfare in the courts. In
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Speaker 2: the case of new gas fields, we are a fossil
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Speaker 2: fuel energy superpower.
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Speaker 3: We're not a renewable energy superpower.
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Speaker 2: And because we will never have as much wind or
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Speaker 2: solar as everybody else. I mean everyone can claim wind
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Speaker 2: and solar, but not anyone. No one other than Australia
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Speaker 2: can claim the coal, the gas and the uranium in
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Speaker 2: the volumes we have here in Australia. Now, I know
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Speaker 2: you get it. Our problem is the government does not.
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Speaker 2: I'll go to Camber now for the headlines. Sky News
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Speaker 2: political reporter turning back in toss.
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Speaker 10: The Prime Minister accused of selling out Australia as a
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Speaker 10: fighter up so the Israeli war crime warrants. The top
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Speaker 10: prosecutor for the International Criminal Court is seeking charges against
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Speaker 10: Benjamin and Yahoo, his defense minister, plus three HERMAS leaders.
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Speaker 7: No one connect with impunity.
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Speaker 10: The US President called that comparison outrageous.
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Speaker 4: On one of these warriors may imply there is no
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Speaker 4: equivalence between Israel and Hamas.
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Speaker 10: Back here at home, the Prime Minister isn't willing to
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Speaker 10: weigh in.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let
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Speaker 5: alone court processes globally.
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Speaker 10: It's a rare public point of difference with Australia's closest
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Speaker 10: ally you read with John's comments, is it.
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Speaker 5: I just answered the same question over.
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Speaker 6: A strong supports other comments of Joe Biden. Either the
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Speaker 6: promince is not across the detail, or he's trying to
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Speaker 6: please a domestic audience here for political purposes. Either way,
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Speaker 6: he's selling out Australia.
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Speaker 10: France and New Zealand also broke ranks with the United States.
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Speaker 6: In New Zealand's a country that respects international law. The
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Speaker 6: ICC players an important role in making sure that people
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Speaker 6: are adhering to international law.
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Speaker 10: Telstra to act two eight hundred jobs, or nearly ten
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Speaker 10: percent of its workforce by the end of the year.
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Speaker 10: CEO Vicky Brady announced a reset for the telco in
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Speaker 10: a bid to say three hundred and fifty million dollars.
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Speaker 10: Telstra blamed cost of living, pressures and artificial intelligence for
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Speaker 10: the job cuts.
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Speaker 6: The actions we are announcing today are difficult, but they
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Speaker 6: are necessary. We need to be a more efficient and
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Speaker 6: sustainable business.
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Speaker 12: I think this is a very distressing day for a
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Speaker 12: lot of people who have received this bad news today
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Speaker 12: from Telstra and we're thinking of all of the families
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Speaker 12: who are impacted.
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Speaker 10: Through military planes deployed to rescue hundreds of Australians stranded
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Speaker 10: in New Caledonia. Around three hundred people have registered with
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Speaker 10: DEFAT for assistance after being caught up in the week
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Speaker 10: long riots in the French Pacific territory. The first plane
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Speaker 10: left for Queensland this afternoon. Trudy Macintosh, Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Look, I want to come back to our headlines at
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Speaker 2: a moment with Political editor Andrew Clannel. But there's been
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Speaker 2: a massive border protection file exposed today that I want
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Speaker 2: to draw to your attention first up tonight. As reported
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Speaker 2: in the Daily Telegraph, Australia currently has over eighty thousand
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Speaker 2: failed asylum seekers in the country. So they are failed,
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Speaker 2: they've been assessed, they are not refugees and they are
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Speaker 2: refusing to return to their home countries.
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Speaker 11: Now.
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Speaker 2: Of the aighty we learned today that sixteen thousand of
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Speaker 2: them are on bridging visas which give them the rights
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Speaker 2: to work and study in this country. Now, how many
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Speaker 2: has the federal government been able to deport out of
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Speaker 2: this eighty thousand in recent months? How many just seventeen
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Speaker 2: for more unless I'm joined now by Shadow Minister for
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Speaker 2: Immigration and Citizenship Dan Tee, and Dan thank you for
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Speaker 2: your time. I mean I had to put this at
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Speaker 2: the top of the show. Eighty thousand failed asylum seekers,
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Speaker 2: A lot of them that came, of course in the
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Speaker 2: Rudd Gillard years, but they've come since then. These are
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Speaker 2: outrageous figures and of course so many of them, by
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Speaker 2: refusing to go home, are living on the largest of
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Speaker 2: the Australian taxpayer.
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Speaker 11: That's right, Peter.
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Speaker 12: We found out through asking questions on noters that of
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Speaker 12: those eighty thousand and sixty thousand have work rights and
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Speaker 12: study rights. And the question that the Prime Minister needs
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Speaker 12: to answer, because once again Andrew Giles has gone into hiding,
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Speaker 12: is what is he doing to remove these people from
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Speaker 12: the country during a housing crisis, during a rental crisis.
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Speaker 12: It seems that he is quite content for this eighty
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Speaker 12: thousand to be part of the one hundred, sorry, the
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Speaker 12: one point six seven million, which is more than the
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Speaker 12: population of Adelaide that have increased our population or will
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Speaker 12: increase our population over the next five years. And as
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Speaker 12: you've said, as you know, we've said that we're going
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Speaker 12: to lower the rate of immigration in this country and
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Speaker 12: that's one of the cohorts that we're going to look
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Speaker 12: very closely at.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Interesting you make mention there Andrew Jarles is in hiding.
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Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister, he was pushed on this today.
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Speaker 2: This is what he had to say.
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Speaker 5: We're addressing the migration issue, We're addressing the housing issue,
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Speaker 5: We're addressing all of the challenges that are before Australia
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Speaker 5: in a considered orderly way. That is something that has
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Speaker 5: characterized my government.
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Speaker 2: I'll listen to that sort of campaign messages from your
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Speaker 2: leader in the Prime Minister today. The Prime Minister on
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Speaker 2: the side of big Australia, your boss is saying that
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Speaker 2: we don't need big Australia, we need a better Australia.
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers was when he was out and asked about
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Speaker 2: it all.
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Speaker 3: He was almost hysterical.
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Speaker 2: About the billion dollar budget impacts that would come if
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Speaker 2: migration was cut, which amplifies I think the point you've
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Speaker 2: been making, Dan, that this is all designed just to pump.
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Speaker 3: Up their budget.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't give stuff about the impact of all these
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Speaker 2: people out in the community. But interestingly, you've got the
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Speaker 2: support today of the Labor Premier in Queensland, Stephen Miles.
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Speaker 2: He's backing the coalitions push we saw in polls yesterday,
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Speaker 2: so to the majority of voters, I mean this will be.
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Speaker 3: I think a huge issue come the campaign.
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Speaker 11: Of course it will.
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Speaker 12: And we said about making sure that we're doing the
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Speaker 12: policy work so that there will be a very clear
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Speaker 12: choice for the Australian people at the next election. And
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Speaker 12: one of the clear choices they're going to have do
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Speaker 12: they want to back Anthony Albanesi and his Big Australia approach,
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Speaker 12: remembering that that Big Australia approach has seen nearly one
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Speaker 12: million people come in the first two years of the
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Speaker 12: Albanesi Labor government, or our lower immigration, putting Australians first
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Speaker 12: when it comes to getting them into houses, when it
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Speaker 12: comes to lowering their rents, that will be a clear
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Speaker 12: difference at the next election.
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Speaker 3: It's all figureds out today.
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Speaker 2: At the University of Sydney it has a posted a
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Speaker 2: one point five billion dollar revenue, only four hundred million
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Speaker 2: dollars of profit, but revenue of one point five billion dollars.
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Speaker 3: This is largely, of.
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Speaker 2: Course, of the back of international students. Now, given that
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Speaker 2: do you think Labour's got the guts to wean our
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Speaker 2: universities off foreign students.
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Speaker 12: I don't think they do. I think as part of
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Speaker 12: their Big Australia approach, they've been quite happy to see
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Speaker 12: the numbers of international students just grow and grow. And
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Speaker 12: Sydney University now some people in the education sector say
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Speaker 12: that they have more than fifty percent of their students
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Speaker 12: and now international students compared to domestic students. Now, that
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Speaker 12: just shouldn't be the way or the approach that universities take.
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Speaker 12: The focus needs to be on domestic students. And I
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Speaker 12: mean my view, and I think the view of most
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Speaker 12: Australians would be that any figure higher than thirty three
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Speaker 12: percent is just too high when it comes to the
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Speaker 12: proportion of international students versus domestic students. And they're making
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Speaker 12: huge sums of money as a result of this, and
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Speaker 12: of course that's not going back into housing domestic students
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Speaker 12: and helping these the rents for domestic students. So this
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Speaker 12: is why we've been very clear that we want to
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Speaker 12: look at this and especially look at universities like the
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Speaker 12: University of Sydney and how many the international students they're
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Speaker 12: bringing in.
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Speaker 2: Dan of course before he went into the Parliament, you
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Speaker 2: were in a diplomatic role. I've got to then ask
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Speaker 2: you about the International Criminal Court, the ramifications today about
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Speaker 2: arrest warrants for the Israeli Prime.
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Speaker 3: Minister and the Defense Minister.
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Speaker 2: The prime ministers today refused to even address the question.
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Speaker 2: He drew I think by lack of answer a moral
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Speaker 2: equivalence between the Hammas leadership and the Israeli leadership. He
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Speaker 2: attacked Peter Dutton though at the same time accusing your
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Speaker 2: leader of lacking moral courage. Where is Anthony Albaneze's leadership here?
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Speaker 12: Well, there isn't any and it was a sad, sad
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Speaker 12: day for our nation. Joe Biden came out very clearly
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Speaker 12: and said that there is no equivalence between Hamas and Israel,
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Speaker 12: as someone who has been to Israel recently, been to
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Speaker 12: the Nova camp where the massacre of those young Israelis
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Speaker 12: took place, being to Kibbutzbari where all sorts of atrocious
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Speaker 12: crimes were committed. How the Prime Minister could walk away
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Speaker 12: from that comment made by Joe Biden that there is
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Speaker 12: no moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel beggars belief, and
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Speaker 12: I think it's a sad day for our nation, and
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Speaker 12: he sort of tries to sort of almost play the
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Speaker 12: buffoon on these things.
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Speaker 11: But this is a.
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Speaker 12: Time where we need our prime minister standing up and
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Speaker 12: his failure to do so today I think will be
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Speaker 12: a black mark against his prime ministership in the days
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Speaker 12: to come.
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Speaker 2: As Bob Hawk has said, if the bell tolls for Israel,
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Speaker 2: it tolls for the wider world. Thank you, Dan Tan,
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Speaker 2: he's known. Bob Pork is here our prime minister. Let's
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Speaker 2: go now to sky Is Political editor Andrew Clenell. Andrew,
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Speaker 2: I know you follow this closely today, give us your
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Speaker 2: sense of the politics around the comments made by the
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Speaker 2: Prime minister today. He's failure at a back in President Biden.
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Speaker 2: That was a gift in terms of an option, I thought,
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Speaker 2: an attack from Chris bow and then against Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, of course pretty robust. Where do you see things?
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Speaker 13: Well, I just think Anthony Albaneze he made a big mistake,
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Speaker 13: and his mistake, Peter is not to have a view
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Speaker 13: to wish you a no comment. Obviously if he issued
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Speaker 13: a comment saying, you know, Israel some or could proceed
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Speaker 13: more carefully in the way they're conducting the war. I'm
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Speaker 13: sure you would be right into him, but at least
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Speaker 13: then he'd have a view. And I don't think it's
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Speaker 13: acceptable for the Prime Minister not to have a view
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Speaker 13: on this. He's got to really avoid this. And this
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Speaker 13: afternoon we saw a statement out from the Department defact
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Speaker 13: on this and that's just a massive cop out and
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Speaker 13: he's got to be very careful about I think we've
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Speaker 13: seen this now on a couple of occasions, you know,
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Speaker 13: one of those Chinese incidents. We've seen a defense statement
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Speaker 13: for example. This isn't state government where you do things
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Speaker 13: like that. You let the Department take out the bad news.
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Speaker 13: He's the leader of the nation and we have a
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Speaker 13: right to hear what he thinks, and he should have
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Speaker 13: an opinion about an issue like this emerged hours before
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Speaker 13: the press conference. Now. I think his view would be
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Speaker 13: this ICC thing isn't helpful, that Israel could proceed with
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Speaker 13: more caution during the war, but the Hamas leaders should
22:35
Speaker 13: be brought to account. I think that would be his view.
22:38
Speaker 13: What's wrong with expressing it, And I do think it
22:41
Speaker 13: does feed into this sort of conspiracy idea that Peter
22:46
Speaker 13: Dutton has, which is that he's trying to protect votes
22:49
Speaker 13: in Western Sydney. He's in Western Sydney when he's talking
22:52
Speaker 13: about this, it's front of mind. I think Dutton may
22:55
Speaker 13: have a point that he's treading cautiously because he's worried
22:59
Speaker 13: about votes in that area.
23:01
Speaker 9: Well, i'll tell.
23:02
Speaker 13: You what else loses your votes. Sitting on the fence
23:06
Speaker 13: and not looking like a leader, Peter, That loses your votes.
23:12
Speaker 2: And I also worry on some of this. You know,
23:14
Speaker 2: is he actually across the detail?
23:16
Speaker 3: We saw it.
23:16
Speaker 2: I mean it's two years ago since they were elected.
23:18
Speaker 2: We saw it in that campaign. It wasn't just a
23:21
Speaker 2: one off for you hitting with questions at some time.
23:24
Speaker 2: So did Trudy McIntosh others as well. It wasn't across
23:27
Speaker 2: the detail. And you can't be a fence sitter on
23:31
Speaker 2: something as important as Chamberlain famously sat on the fences,
23:35
Speaker 2: as we'll all remember. And Churchill was the one who
23:38
Speaker 2: said I will not be impartial between the fire brigade
23:41
Speaker 2: and the fire. How can he be impartial between Hamas
23:46
Speaker 2: and the democratically elected leadership of Israel.
23:51
Speaker 13: Well, I do wonder whether his staff got a bollocking
23:56
Speaker 13: after this, even though he should be on top of
23:58
Speaker 13: it as well, because he should have just been ready
24:02
Speaker 13: for the question and had some form of an answer.
24:05
Speaker 13: And we saw Rishie Sunak put out a statement saying
24:08
Speaker 13: that the ICC thing wasn't helpful. It wasn't as strident
24:12
Speaker 13: as Joe Biden, but what would have been wrong with
24:16
Speaker 13: something like that? He'll get asked about this again and
24:19
Speaker 13: he better have a better answer and be my suggestion
24:21
Speaker 13: to him. I will say this about Peter Dutton. You
24:23
Speaker 13: never died wondering what he's thinking. And I think there's
24:26
Speaker 13: a bit of a contrast there, and it's one al
24:28
Speaker 13: Benez he needs to be wary of.
24:31
Speaker 2: He does need to be ware because I think that's
24:33
Speaker 2: what's attractive to voters at the moment. You know, it's
24:35
Speaker 2: a clarity they used to get with John Howard. It
24:37
Speaker 2: often came up in focus grips. I don't really agree
24:40
Speaker 2: with Howard on this, but I know where he stands.
24:42
Speaker 2: I can anticipate where my government might go and some
24:45
Speaker 2: of the big questions as he's getting around And I
24:48
Speaker 2: say this last night, I mean, this is a prime
24:49
Speaker 2: week post budget they get out and sell, particularly on
24:52
Speaker 2: the government side, what they've just brought down a lot
24:56
Speaker 2: of detail comes out on the Tuesday night. They want
24:58
Speaker 2: to make sure it hits home with small business and families.
25:01
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of talk about an early election.
25:03
Speaker 2: We discussed that last week. And then you look at
25:06
Speaker 2: where the Prime minister's travel pattern is moving, A lot
25:10
Speaker 2: of labor seats are in his focus. Now that says
25:13
Speaker 2: to me he's in a very defensive mode. You know,
25:17
Speaker 2: he's in sand bagging mode. He's not offensive. He's not
25:21
Speaker 2: chasing a seats that are in the ledger of Peter Dutton.
25:24
Speaker 2: He's looking like he's trying to protect his own I
25:26
Speaker 2: suspect after the voice this is still important for labor.
25:30
Speaker 13: Look, I think that's right, but I saw my friend
25:33
Speaker 13: Jeff's take on that. I would point out that government
25:36
Speaker 13: has seventy eight seats and Peter Dutton has fifty five.
25:39
Speaker 13: So it's hardly surprising that he's trying to sandbag that
25:42
Speaker 13: he's visiting his own seats. He has more seats after all,
25:46
Speaker 13: and if you look at it logically with the national numbers,
25:49
Speaker 13: there's really only three or four he could possibly hope
25:52
Speaker 13: to pick up. So they are after a status quo
25:55
Speaker 13: a result, and he's needing to work hard in the
25:59
Speaker 13: seventy eight seats that he's got not to slide into
26:02
Speaker 13: minority government or worse.
26:06
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Chris Mins just briefly.
26:08
Speaker 2: I've watched him closely on the issue of social media,
26:11
Speaker 2: quite prepared to go it alone. I think he's pitched
26:14
Speaker 2: that very well to household. He gets where families are
26:17
Speaker 2: on this issue. He's not waiting for smoke signals out
26:20
Speaker 2: of Canberra. He's also pretty strong on the issue of energy.
26:23
Speaker 2: He's out there about rah Ring. It's twenty five percent
26:27
Speaker 2: of New South Wales power about or set to close.
26:30
Speaker 2: It's going to obviously be extended. He says the public
26:33
Speaker 2: will lose support for renewables if Ierra in closes prematurely
26:38
Speaker 2: and there are blackouts.
26:40
Speaker 3: And he's spot on, isn't it. He reads the politics well.
26:43
Speaker 13: Well, it's very interesting observation. I think you don't like
26:47
Speaker 13: anyone in labor. But if he did it, it be
26:49
Speaker 13: Chris Mins. Peter, I've got to say, because he's a
26:51
Speaker 13: pretty conservative character for a labor politician. It's in that
26:55
Speaker 13: tradition of the New.
26:57
Speaker 11: South Wales right.
26:59
Speaker 13: And it's obvious the solution, at least for two or
27:02
Speaker 13: three years is to extend a rah Ring. I think
27:05
Speaker 13: it's two point eight gigawatts. THEAMO report said it was
27:10
Speaker 13: one point five gigawats short over twenty six twenty seven,
27:13
Speaker 13: twenty seven to twenty eight, so they will pay to
27:16
Speaker 13: extend it. There's absolutely no doubt about that. But he
27:19
Speaker 13: does seem to take a path right down the center
27:23
Speaker 13: on a lot of issues and I think he's performing
27:26
Speaker 13: quite well. Frankly, I think it's a tough task for
27:29
Speaker 13: the New South Wales Liberals in the years ahead as
27:32
Speaker 13: long as he's there. Look, he hasn't got the world's
27:34
Speaker 13: best cabinet, but he wouldn't be the first state leader
27:37
Speaker 13: to be in that situation. They used to talk about
27:39
Speaker 13: the Victorian government as Kenneth Stockdale and that was it, right,
27:42
Speaker 13: So it's kind of that same scenario in New South Wales.
27:47
Speaker 13: On social media, this is a really difficult one. I
27:51
Speaker 13: applaughed his sentiment, but I wonder if he's sort of
27:54
Speaker 13: portraying he can do something he can't do, because for
27:57
Speaker 13: anyone with teenagers, all know that the horse has bolted.
28:01
Speaker 13: Really move should have been I mean they should try
28:04
Speaker 13: and do something, but just to ban at founder sixteen,
28:07
Speaker 13: it's good luck with that that should have been something
28:09
Speaker 13: that occurred years ago that government should have addressed.
28:12
Speaker 3: Frankly, yeah, and I don't.
28:15
Speaker 2: Know how they do it. I mean they've got the
28:16
Speaker 2: bands on websites. If you're under the age of eighteen
28:19
Speaker 2: and it's an alcohol website and you just click through that,
28:21
Speaker 2: you just assert you are and you still get through
28:23
Speaker 2: to the website. So there's one thing to ban it,
28:26
Speaker 2: and there's the other thing to be able.
28:28
Speaker 3: To enforce the ban.
28:30
Speaker 2: And I think Paul Murray made this point last night.
28:32
Speaker 2: I completely agree with him. No kid has got to
28:35
Speaker 2: find that their parent hasn't paid for it and isn't
28:37
Speaker 2: helping to pay. So parents have to sort of step
28:40
Speaker 2: up here as much as they expect governments to step up.
28:43
Speaker 2: And my last point, I'll surprise you here. It's not
28:46
Speaker 2: just mister Mins that I'm quite impressed with at the moment.
28:49
Speaker 2: I think John melanowskis over in South Australia is playing
28:53
Speaker 2: the Liberals off a break. So there's two labor premiers
28:56
Speaker 2: from the labor rights that I am impressed with. Clow
29:00
Speaker 2: you heard it here breaking new Peter Credlin likes to
29:03
Speaker 2: labor premiers.
29:04
Speaker 3: There you go on. I'll take it happens there, thank
29:06
Speaker 3: you mate.
29:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably the kids of death from me. But anyway,
29:10
Speaker 2: doing my best, doing my best to get the liberals
29:12
Speaker 2: some sort of leg up. I'll see you next week
29:14
Speaker 2: after the break. The Energy Market Operator is warning over
29:18
Speaker 2: blackouts the coming this summer, so it says the regulator.
29:21
Speaker 2: So what's Chris Bowen going to do to keep the
29:23
Speaker 2: lights on?
29:24
Speaker 3: Class powering the nation? And we're going to prayer.
29:27
Speaker 2: Chris Jullman joins me as we look at the politics
29:30
Speaker 2: of power.
29:36
Speaker 3: Chris Jorman.
29:37
Speaker 2: He'll join me a little later on as he embarks
29:39
Speaker 2: upon a new special media projec But first, the Australian
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Speaker 2: Energy Market Operator has warned of increasing blackouts to be
29:47
Speaker 2: the nation's energy transition. A emo's latter's ten year forecast
29:51
Speaker 2: warns of the combination of delays, degreen projects and the
29:55
Speaker 2: closure of traditional power sources could increase the reliability risks.
30:00
Speaker 2: That's what they say, reliability risks for households. For more
30:03
Speaker 2: on these, let's bring in Australian's Environment editor Graham Lloyd. Well,
30:07
Speaker 2: it was front page news this morning in your paper.
30:11
Speaker 2: You don't get a more concerning warning than this, Graham,
30:16
Speaker 2: how did you see the news from IAMO.
30:20
Speaker 11: Well, good evening, Peter.
30:21
Speaker 14: Certainly concerning news on a couple of levels. What the
30:26
Speaker 14: operator is saying is that the reliability margin is reducing
30:31
Speaker 14: in the most popular states of New South Wales and Victoria,
30:35
Speaker 14: and also in South Australia. That has immediate implications for
30:39
Speaker 14: the coming summer, and they're looking for new reserves to try.
30:43
Speaker 11: And plug the gaps.
30:44
Speaker 14: But probably the more concerning thing is Chris Bowen is right.
30:48
Speaker 14: AMO has been warning about this for years and the
30:51
Speaker 14: lights haven't gone off yet. But what we can see
30:55
Speaker 14: in this report is that the flexibility in adding new
30:58
Speaker 14: supply is being constrained by a failure to expand the network.
31:05
Speaker 14: The government has been deficient in providing those network services
31:11
Speaker 14: and there's every reason to suspect that those problems will continue.
31:16
Speaker 14: So really the train is racing towards the wall.
31:23
Speaker 2: We've also got a lot of people up in arms
31:24
Speaker 2: about the role of transmission, particularly country areas. Regional Australians
31:29
Speaker 2: are getting very mobilized. There's a lot of organizations being formed,
31:34
Speaker 2: a lot of community people agitating politicians. I mean, this
31:37
Speaker 2: is not going to be easy.
31:40
Speaker 11: No, this isn't easy.
31:41
Speaker 14: This is the lesson from the roll out that perhaps
31:45
Speaker 14: a lot more thought should have been given to at
31:47
Speaker 14: the beginning. People are generally hostile to the industrialization of
31:53
Speaker 14: rural communities and areas that by and large people wanted
31:57
Speaker 14: to live in peace.
31:58
Speaker 11: So there's no easy solution.
32:00
Speaker 14: But as the AMO report shows, this is critical to
32:05
Speaker 14: delivering on what has been promised, and eventually something's going
32:10
Speaker 14: to have to give.
32:13
Speaker 2: Is there any update on the cost, because you know
32:15
Speaker 2: the cost there of the role that was eighty billion dollars. Well,
32:19
Speaker 2: just like dear old NBN, which is over one hundred
32:22
Speaker 2: and fifty billion, were supposed to cost us under five
32:25
Speaker 2: No one believes it's going to be eighty billion.
32:27
Speaker 3: And of course if it costs eighty.
32:29
Speaker 2: Billion dollars every center, that's going to be passed on
32:32
Speaker 2: to the poor old household consumer. Do we know if
32:35
Speaker 2: those forecasts have been revised.
32:39
Speaker 14: Well, nobody can make a valid assumption of what this
32:43
Speaker 14: is going to cost. And as you say, when it's
32:46
Speaker 14: put to the test, that costs many orders of magnitude
32:50
Speaker 14: greater than were promised. What we're seeing with the electricity
32:54
Speaker 14: rebate and other things, the cost is being sort of
32:59
Speaker 14: taken away from the power bill and put onto consolidated
33:02
Speaker 14: revenue with the programs that are envisaged for the future.
33:07
Speaker 14: That there's no end to this cost, and I've seen
33:11
Speaker 14: estimates that are in the trillions of dollars.
33:15
Speaker 3: Good lord, what about rarh Ring.
33:19
Speaker 2: A bit of toing and froing today between the Prime
33:21
Speaker 2: Minister Energy Federal and the gymnast Chris Bowen. Of course
33:24
Speaker 2: in the New South Wales Premier Chris Mins, it's a
33:28
Speaker 2: huge hole. If it was to disappear from the grid,
33:31
Speaker 2: we would really be talking about wide scale blackouts.
33:37
Speaker 3: What's the latest.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think Chris Mins was making some sensible comments
33:43
Speaker 14: today that this is something that has to happen. It's
33:46
Speaker 14: been under negotiation for a period of time. I assume
33:50
Speaker 14: it's a matter of just arriving at the best price
33:53
Speaker 14: in the way it can be done, but without extending
33:57
Speaker 14: arahring actually solving the problems in the short term that
34:03
Speaker 14: Amo has raised, it's.
34:05
Speaker 11: Very difficult to envisage.
34:07
Speaker 14: So ultimately that deal will be done and it's just
34:10
Speaker 14: a matter of cost.
34:13
Speaker 2: Give us an update on the battle that Chevron's waging
34:16
Speaker 2: against the Labor government in camera. They want more consultation
34:21
Speaker 2: the overhaul of this environmental legislation. They say this is
34:26
Speaker 2: the next battleground between the L and G sector and
34:29
Speaker 2: the alban Easy government.
34:31
Speaker 3: What's the latest there.
34:34
Speaker 11: Well, it's an interesting space.
34:37
Speaker 14: I think the government has put the revision of the
34:40
Speaker 14: EPBC to one.
34:42
Speaker 11: Side while it works out how to go forward.
34:45
Speaker 14: I think we saw the compromise with the Greens last
34:49
Speaker 14: week on the offshore gas development that gave a pretty
34:53
Speaker 14: good indication of how hamstrung the government is in this space.
34:58
Speaker 14: Chevron is sort of putting up the balloon that the
35:01
Speaker 14: industry is not able to deal with something that satisfies
35:07
Speaker 14: the Greens at every turn, and they're fearful of things
35:12
Speaker 14: like a environment to trigger based on emissions being put
35:19
Speaker 14: into the ep BBC, so everything would have to be
35:22
Speaker 14: judged on its climate impact.
35:25
Speaker 11: That will come up and.
35:26
Speaker 14: Frustrate to all fossil fuel developments into the future.
35:30
Speaker 11: This is where the Greens want to go and the
35:32
Speaker 11: industry is alive to it.
35:36
Speaker 2: And of course if fossil fuels fall over, certainly in
35:38
Speaker 2: the near term, not only will we not be able
35:40
Speaker 2: to tear the lights on, but we won't be able
35:42
Speaker 2: to form the NDI s and everything else in the budget,
35:44
Speaker 2: because it is what's pumping up the bottom line. Gram Lloyd,
35:47
Speaker 2: thank you.
35:48
Speaker 3: All.
35:48
Speaker 2: Right, after break, the PM once again files to draw
35:50
Speaker 2: a line between Hamas and Israel. We'll get into that
35:53
Speaker 2: with Chris Hillman. Plus what next for Iran? The death
35:56
Speaker 2: of the president, of course, and that helicopter crash. Women
36:00
Speaker 2: we're out celebrating him going under. The butcher of Tehran
36:03
Speaker 2: was his moniker and the latter said of the Trump
36:06
Speaker 2: trial too. Polls continue to fall for Joe Biden. My
36:09
Speaker 2: international panel coming upright, coming up, We'll get into the
36:16
Speaker 2: Trump trial, all the latest there, but let's get into
36:20
Speaker 2: some domestic issues if I can. First, joining me now
36:22
Speaker 2: Sky and News contributor chrisy Yulman. I'd like to start
36:25
Speaker 2: if I could first on their managing. I do want
36:28
Speaker 2: to get into this ICC attempt to arrest for this
36:33
Speaker 2: issue warrants in relation to Benjamin Yahoo.
36:35
Speaker 3: But let's start with energy.
36:37
Speaker 2: I've just gone through the detailer that AEMO report out
36:39
Speaker 2: today with Graham Lloyd from the Australian. The blackouts are
36:43
Speaker 2: predicted over summer, they will worsen.
36:45
Speaker 3: In coming years.
36:47
Speaker 2: We've got a tanking economy that's the fear we're not
36:50
Speaker 2: likely to get the rate in rate rises, sorry, the
36:53
Speaker 2: rate falls, the dropping interest rates that people will promised,
36:56
Speaker 2: there's a fear that they'll actually go up. Things are
36:59
Speaker 2: starting to get a little bit tougher, I think for Australians,
37:01
Speaker 2: and they're already bloody taff. I mean, this is where
37:04
Speaker 2: I think the Prime Minister would seriously be thinking about
37:07
Speaker 2: going to the election early, don't you think.
37:09
Speaker 15: Chris, Well, certainly if the lights are going out, Peter,
37:13
Speaker 15: you don't want to be the prime minister when that happens.
37:15
Speaker 15: And so if you're looking at the calendar, you'd think, well,
37:17
Speaker 15: after the Queen's Land election in October and before December
37:21
Speaker 15: when summer starts, so sometime in November might loom is
37:24
Speaker 15: a good time to do it. But then again, think
37:26
Speaker 15: about it. He's probably listening to the advice of his
37:28
Speaker 15: Energy minister. And if he's doing that, his Energy and
37:31
Speaker 15: Minister's going to say, oh, look, they've said this before,
37:33
Speaker 15: that the lights would go out and they didn't. I
37:35
Speaker 15: don't know if I'd be prepared to take that bigger
37:37
Speaker 15: risk on the advice of Chris Bowen. Don't forget that,
37:39
Speaker 15: Chris Bowen was the one who came up with the
37:41
Speaker 15: policies that said by twenty twenty five, which is next year,
37:44
Speaker 15: the households will get a two hundred and seventy five
37:46
Speaker 15: dollars saving on their energy bills. And he based that
37:48
Speaker 15: entirely on the idea that when you put more weather
37:51
Speaker 15: dependent energy on the grid, that is wind and solid,
37:54
Speaker 15: that when it's running, the price is lower and ergo
37:56
Speaker 15: the price drops. Well, I questioned him about that time
37:59
Speaker 15: and it appeared to me apparent that he didn't understand
38:02
Speaker 15: how electricity is priced on the national energy market, and
38:06
Speaker 15: that is by the highest cost of generation, not the lowest.
38:09
Speaker 15: We did see power prices spike after the war with
38:12
Speaker 15: Russia and Ukraine, but they've come down since then. But
38:16
Speaker 15: that's what pushed up bills last year. What will push
38:18
Speaker 15: them up next is the roll out of transmission lines,
38:20
Speaker 15: which is forty percent of your bill, and they have
38:22
Speaker 15: a regulated rate of return, so price is no matter
38:25
Speaker 15: what you do from now on. They might dip in
38:28
Speaker 15: the short term, but they're going to go up in
38:29
Speaker 15: the long term.
38:32
Speaker 2: This is like when we talk you know, budget detail
38:36
Speaker 2: or health funding. Let's say the government's relying on the
38:40
Speaker 2: complexity of this issue. I remember when we were finding
38:43
Speaker 2: them on the carbon tax, they would just blather on
38:46
Speaker 2: in a whole lot of detail. Voters eyes would glaze over.
38:49
Speaker 2: They ticked the box to say, I'm saving the planet. Yeah,
38:51
Speaker 2: I think in a pole climate change action is a
38:54
Speaker 2: good thing. But when the rubber hits a rode and
38:56
Speaker 2: it costs you, it costs you a lot of money,
38:58
Speaker 2: and it sends your business out, that's when you realize
39:01
Speaker 2: that there's got to be a right way to do
39:03
Speaker 2: this transition, and there is a wrong way to do
39:05
Speaker 2: this transition. Again, you've just gone through some stuff there.
39:09
Speaker 2: I'm sure people at home didn't understand about the transmission
39:12
Speaker 2: cost now in their bill. Part of the problem here, Chris,
39:16
Speaker 2: with this issue is it's just so complex. And when
39:19
Speaker 2: the government says wind and solar are free, or you
39:23
Speaker 2: look out there and you see its sun shining and
39:25
Speaker 2: the wind's blining, you think that's right, But that's not
39:27
Speaker 2: how our grid works.
39:32
Speaker 15: And the other thing too is we need to start
39:33
Speaker 15: to explains explain to people how energy systems work, and
39:38
Speaker 15: just think about what happened in the last century when
39:41
Speaker 15: we went from coal to oil. In particular, we saw
39:44
Speaker 15: an explosion of growth the like of which we have
39:47
Speaker 15: never seen before. In the life of my grandfather, who
39:49
Speaker 15: was born in eighteen ninety nine and died in the
39:53
Speaker 15: mid nineteen sixties, he started in a house that had
39:55
Speaker 15: no running water, no electricity, and no power of any kind,
40:00
Speaker 15: and by the nineteen sixties he had a television or refrigerator,
40:03
Speaker 15: all things we imagine a modern world has. That is
40:06
Speaker 15: almost entirely due to us finding the most explosive source
40:09
Speaker 15: of energy that we've ever found, and.
40:10
Speaker 11: That was oil.
40:12
Speaker 15: Our entire lifestyle is being built on it. What we're
40:14
Speaker 15: doing is going from really energy dense sources of power coal, oil,
40:18
Speaker 15: and gas, and we're going.
40:20
Speaker 11: To disperse sources of power.
40:22
Speaker 15: What that means is that we have to completely overbuild it.
40:25
Speaker 15: So what you're going to see is we will cover
40:26
Speaker 15: the landscape literally from sea to shining sea, overbuilding wind
40:32
Speaker 15: and solar power in order to make up for that
40:34
Speaker 15: loss of energy density. And still even with that, we're
40:38
Speaker 15: going to have to back it up with something because
40:40
Speaker 15: it's not always available. That creates enormous costs. So don't
40:44
Speaker 15: talk about when the wind is blying and the sun
40:47
Speaker 15: is shining, talk about the actual cost of delivering electricity,
40:51
Speaker 15: and we need to start educating the Australian public as
40:53
Speaker 15: to what that means and what it looks like.
40:58
Speaker 3: I know you've been up north.
40:59
Speaker 2: Need evenin energy, Well, there is a national security issue.
41:03
Speaker 2: Energy is a national security issue. I know you need
41:05
Speaker 2: deep in out.
41:05
Speaker 3: What can you tell us? What have you got to
41:07
Speaker 3: that in the old things?
41:10
Speaker 11: Yeah?
41:10
Speaker 15: Look, and we're doing a documentary we'll go to air
41:12
Speaker 15: in October at this stage, and we're looking at the
41:15
Speaker 15: energy transition and we're looking at it in a completely
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Speaker 15: dispassionate way. We have no truck with any particular source
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Speaker 15: of power, but where we are and how we're going
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Speaker 15: to get to the land that has promised to us
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Speaker 15: with cheaper energy and greener energy. I was at the
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Speaker 15: Port of Gladstone the other day and for those who
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Speaker 15: say that we will be a green energy superpower based
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Speaker 15: I think on hydrogen, but we get to see that
41:38
Speaker 15: we haven't got that industry yet. We are already an
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Speaker 15: energy superpower. Peter out of that portal loan, we export
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Speaker 15: twenty percent of the world's metallurgical coal and twenty five
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Speaker 15: percent of its liquefied natural gas.
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Speaker 11: Don't forget also that.
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Speaker 15: One of the things that we are planning to do
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Speaker 15: is to give up those sources of income. The world
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Speaker 15: demands that we do that. By the way, you can't
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Speaker 15: make wind turbines at the moment without using metallurgical coal
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Speaker 15: because we haven't yet developed the processes for doing that.
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Speaker 15: So we really need to think long and hard about
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Speaker 15: the course which we have set and the costs that
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Speaker 15: that will impose, not just on changing electricity, but changing
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Speaker 15: every single thing that we do. It's a much larger
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Speaker 15: project than people would believe.
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Speaker 2: When the Prime Minister was asked today about whether he
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Speaker 2: was drawing a moral equivalence which President Biden did not
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Speaker 2: draw between Hamas and Israel on the back of the
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Speaker 2: ICC's decision, he sort of said, I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: comment in a court case. Angel clin now was scathing
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Speaker 2: at that response for a prime minister. He says, you
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Speaker 2: don't get to make that call when you're a prime minister.
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Speaker 2: You don't get to sit on the fence on something
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Speaker 2: like this.
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Speaker 3: How do you see it now?
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Speaker 15: I think that Andrew is right that the Prime Minister
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Speaker 15: needs to have an opinion. I would have thought that
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Speaker 15: it would have been easy to at least say that
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Speaker 15: there is no more equivalents between the terrorists of her Mass,
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Speaker 15: the death cult of her Mass, and the democratically elected
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Speaker 15: government of Israel. He also said, though that he doesn't
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Speaker 15: comment on court cases. Well, he has. He's commented on
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Speaker 15: the court case of Julian Assange and has said that
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Speaker 15: it's time that he comes home. And I think that's
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Speaker 15: a perfectly relevant interjection by the Australian Prime Minister to
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Speaker 15: ask the United States to allow that to happen. After all,
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Speaker 15: Julian Massange is an Australian citizen. But he has commented
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Speaker 15: on court cases, so that argument also falls down.
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Speaker 11: But I will say this, Peter, there will be.
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Speaker 15: A reckoning with Benjamin net Yahoo because he lives in
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Speaker 15: a democratic society.
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Speaker 11: And I know people who.
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Speaker 15: Are in Israel who are outraged the fact that he
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Speaker 15: failed that he's at his one major task, because he
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Speaker 15: was a defense hard man, and that was protecting the
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Speaker 15: people of Israel and exposing them to that attack by Hamas.
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Speaker 15: And what's happened is because har Mass cares only slightly
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Speaker 15: more for Palatictinians lives than it does for Israelis lives.
43:57
Speaker 15: It was inviting Israel to do what we're seeing. It
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Speaker 15: was inviting Israel to come in and to kill as
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Speaker 15: many people as possible in Gaza so that the Israel
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Speaker 15: standing in the world community could fall. So I think
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Speaker 15: as far as the mass is concerned, if there's not
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Speaker 15: one person left alive after this war, then they'll think
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Speaker 15: that that's a great outcome as long as Israel falls.
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Speaker 15: So I think, yes, there will be a reckoning for
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Speaker 15: Benjamin Yahoo, but it will be from the people of Israel.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll leave it there, thank you, Chris. See
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Speaker 2: next week we'll get into Julian Thessalms. There's been some
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Speaker 2: developments there after the break. But also so I never
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Speaker 2: thought i'd say strong and Biden in the same sentence,
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Speaker 2: but he has taken a very strong stand today more
44:39
Speaker 2: than after the break. All right, let's bring my panel
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Speaker 2: sky and is contributed Kashagara, former Labour MP Michael Danby.
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Speaker 2: We'll start with the International Criminal Court. Australia as in
44:52
Speaker 2: member state. Others are not like the US. They recognize
44:56
Speaker 2: Palestine even though the UN does it, which is how
44:59
Speaker 2: they get the jurisdiction to put this stuff out there today.
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Speaker 2: Two things here, the reaction from the free world. Australia
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Speaker 2: is now an outlier. Our Prime Minister's offense center on
45:08
Speaker 2: this issue. I want your reaction on that as a
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Speaker 2: proud labor man, but I mean, what does this do
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Speaker 2: to any democratic country that wants to use international law
45:17
Speaker 2: as we should the right to self defense? This is
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Speaker 2: now almost in abeyance. It's now threatened as a right
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Speaker 2: of countries.
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Speaker 16: This is the triumph of international woke lawfare. And if
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Speaker 16: Albo can't see that, then he doesn't understand the implications
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Speaker 16: for Australia or any democratic society that has a natural
45:38
Speaker 16: right of self defense. So at the very moment that
45:42
Speaker 16: the UN downgrades number of casualties to twenty four thousand
45:46
Speaker 16: and the idea has killed half of those hummus terrorists,
45:52
Speaker 16: that is the moment, with Amal Klooney's advice, the International
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Speaker 16: Criminal Court chooses a celebrity Palace union lawyer over all
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Speaker 16: of the NATO chiefs or chiefs of the British arm Forces,
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Speaker 16: none of whom gave advice to the Panel on proportionality
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Speaker 16: on military necessity. So Albow, come on, you don't realize
46:15
Speaker 16: the stick you're making for Australia's back.
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you, I'll come back in to
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Speaker 2: around if I've got time, what's the latest in the
46:23
Speaker 2: Trump trial? Because there was admissions today from Cohen or
46:27
Speaker 2: overnight from cohen star prosecution witness, and that he is
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Speaker 2: a thief.
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Speaker 17: The star witness, who anybody who's been following this case
46:36
Speaker 17: knows as a convicted felon in Persia, he delivered and
46:39
Speaker 17: was caught out in a few more lies over the week,
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Speaker 17: and the big one that he stole skimmed off the
46:44
Speaker 17: top in the scheme that Trump is on trial for
46:47
Speaker 17: something to the tune of thirty thousand dollars, which is
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Speaker 17: a pretty big number if you think of it from
46:50
Speaker 17: the jury standpoint. The big picture though, here is that
46:54
Speaker 17: this case was never about facts and law. It's about likability,
46:57
Speaker 17: both in the courtroom and those jurors. And is there
46:59
Speaker 17: going to be one juror, even in a very biased
47:01
Speaker 17: Manhattan jeurypool, who just finds us beyond the pill and
47:05
Speaker 17: dislikes Cohen more than Trump, And then beyond that, politically,
47:07
Speaker 17: it's about likability and who's coming out looking uglier and dirtier.
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Speaker 17: The other thing is this is a crossing the rubicon
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Speaker 17: moment that this is what the United States has indicted
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Speaker 17: a president for in the first time in two hundred
47:18
Speaker 17: and thirty five years of history, for what for this person?
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Speaker 3: And that's just not a good look.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, Juliana sunt I mean, I wish he would
47:25
Speaker 2: face the courts. I would hope they find him guilty,
47:28
Speaker 2: lock him up and throw away the key. Right, he
47:30
Speaker 2: leaked secrets that put lives at risk. But they've got
47:34
Speaker 2: to bring this to a head, surely. And now he's
47:35
Speaker 2: got the right, obviously to appeal that USX extradition order.
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Speaker 3: How long is this going to take?
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Speaker 16: He's effectively locked himself up in jail for years in
47:44
Speaker 16: the Equatorian Embassy and now and built marsh Prison because
47:48
Speaker 16: he evaded bail, didn't pay his bail. Look, this is
47:53
Speaker 16: I mean, how many shots does this guy get? Either,
47:57
Speaker 16: he should be extra diuided to the United States and
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Speaker 16: face a fair trial there. How can a British court
48:02
Speaker 16: say that you wouldn't face a fair trial in the
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Speaker 16: United States. You can insist that there'd be no death penalty,
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Speaker 16: but I don't think you'd face the death penalty in
48:10
Speaker 16: the US court anyhow. Be something less alike his mate
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Speaker 16: Chelsea Manning.
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Speaker 3: All right, well they were there, thank you both. Sorry,
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Speaker 3: that was sure. So we had a lot on tonight.
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Speaker 3: All right. We'll see you back tomorrow night at six
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Speaker 3: his and your Bault