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Who voted in early America? | HBR Talk 308 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to Yeah HBr Talk three to eight. Who voted in
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  Early America and this one we'll be talking somewhat about who voted, but we'll
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  dot com in the drop down menu at the top of the page. Except
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  for this week when we don't have a blog post because technical difficulties to get
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  on with it. There are things that I would have discussed last week and
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  didn't, so I'm gonna start a little behind where we ended the last time.
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  So one of the first things that I wanted to mention is before we
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  got to the actual Revolutionary War, before we got to the Boston t party,
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  even before some of the things happened that led to the Boston tea party
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  we had, the colonists were already just fed up and they were already grumbling
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  about what was taking place between the UK and the colonies in the Americas.
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  And a big part of the reason was because they had that lack of protection
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  under the principles of the Magna Carta. They weren't being treated equally because it
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  again, you know, it wasn't like they could just pick up the phone
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  and make a call, because there was no such thing, and it wasn't
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  like they could just drive over or fly over because those things didn't exist,
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  right, So it was months in between communications that had to take place through
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  the mail or in person via very dangerous travel across the Atlantic Ocean. So
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  we have this tiny little blip at the bottom that you can barely see.
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  Is because it is a time span and it's a short time span. There's
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  a couple of those here. This one is the Continental Congress. Let's see
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  if I can get it to open up. Nope, there we go.
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  Okay, So, because Americans felt unrepresented and they really didn't have their own
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  representation, they had people, some people were sympathetic in parliament, but there
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  weren't representatives of the colonies in parliament. They ended up in debate and in
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  in meetings and everything about what's do about this? That their interests were not
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  being considered in parliament. So time period is at the bottom here. I
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  didn't want to select that. There we go. So from October seventh,
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  seventeen sixty five to October twenty fifth, seventeen sixty five, they had this,
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  they had this debate taking place, and they ended up creating a document
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  as a result. Let's see, this is with somebody training talk. I'm
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  just gonna say two weeks to have the debate to come up with it.
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  That's that's a nice decent amount of time, you know what I mean.
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  Yeah, I think of debates that happened these days. It's like, well,
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  sit on this panel for an hour and you know, let everyone else
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  decide who won in the comm and you know, it's a lot they Yeah,
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  they took us very seriously. Yeah, I mean we're talking about you
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  have to think about it from the time period, from the perspective of the
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  time period, how things were. This was not a time frame when when
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  these guys uh went out to do this, and what they were discussing doing
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  was would would leave them in a an easy to deal with situation. Right,
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  The colonies were more civilized than they originally were. There was more capability
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  of self defense as a as a group, and so on. They had
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  had they had been involved in military conflicts. There was a population large enough
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  that they had milicious and you know, shortly thereafter they had a full military
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  conflict and they won, which is why we're a nation and not a commonwealth.
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  I guess commonwealth is still a nation, but I mean we're not we're
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  a federation, not a commonwealth, because we didn't get made a nation by
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  a later event we'll discuss that made a whole bunch of British colonies into their
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  own autonomous nations. Aren't there some states that are technically commonwealth's like Massachusetts.
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  Yeah, but officially a commonwealth whatever that even means. But it's not.
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  The country is not a commonwealth. It doesn't define the rest of the country.
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  So but a you know, we're a representative republic. That is a
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  it's actually supposed to be a loose confederation of states, which is one of
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  the reasons why the South called itself the Confederacy during the Civil War, which
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  we aren't two yet, so we're not going to discuss that extensive either yet.
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  But I will say the Civil War happened due to similar reasons actually as
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  the Revolutionary War. People felt unrepresented by their politicians but out of the Continental
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  Congress, which one of the things they looked at. I will point this
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  out too. Among the various tribes of people who were here before the colonists,
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  the people that you would consider indigenous, even though they also have been
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  proved to migrate from actually overseas, so the Native Americans First Nations, whatever
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  you want to call them, Aboriginals. They had a loose confederation of tribes
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  in the northeastern part of the the continent. Well, I guess it'd really
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  be born mid Eastern, not northeastern, because it stretched between the United States
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  and Canada. They didn't have those borders, right, it was just all
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  one big piece of land to them. So Albertnada retro gave us five dollars
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  Canadian and said that nurse random Ercam sure has a deep voice. Somebody passed
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  a throat lossenge ketchup women most affected. Oh wait, that's Mike. Sorry,
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  I'm not a real nurse. I'm not even a real doctor. I'm
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  not even a real random Acam. That's not even a real word. Yeah,
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  there we go. But but yeah, the loose confederation is called the
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  Six Nations, and it actually includes the tribe that my tiny amount of Native
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  American heritage on my mom's side of the family comes from, but not the
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  tiny amount on my dad's side of the family. It's different. So so
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  they had a constitution. They didn't call it a constitution, but they did
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  have a set of governing principles. They had a whole bunch of interesting things,
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  and at some point we may discuss that, because that's voting history too.
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  In fact, they had a system wherein the tribal chiefs could only be
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  men, but the voters could only be women, so they actually gendered it.
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  It's kind of interesting. And the Continental Congress picked up some things from
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  that and used those. It also picked up some things from the Magna Carta
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  and used those, so we end up with this document. They met in
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  New York City's Federal Hall for eighteen days to hash this out right, they
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  composed and signed the Declaration of Rights and Grievances, which a rest the whole
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  taxation without parliamentary representation, the burdens and hardships that Parliament's recent legislation had caused
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  the colonists making basically making British goods unaffordable, but then outlawing alternatives, and
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  their right to trial by jury, because remember we talked, I think we
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  talked last week about some of the stipulations that were in the laws that Britain
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  had been imposing on the States, and it was inconvenient for the British government
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  to have to deal with trial by jury and such when crimes were alleged overseas
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  in the colonies, and again we're talking months between communications, and they would
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  have to send somebody or they would have to trust that the colonies would have
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  somebody. So they basically imposed maritime some aspects of marriage time lawn and one
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  of those was at that time. I don't know if that's this is still
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  a thing, but you don't get trial by jury in an emergency situation because
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  there might not be a jury available, or the situation might be so dire
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  that they don't have time for a jury trial in order to stop the problem.
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  But I have the Declaration of Rights and Freedoms or Rights and Grievances here,
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  And this was this was sort of in response to the Stamp Act,
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  but the Stamp Act was sort of the final straw before this, not the
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  final straw of things, but it was the final straw before this. And
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  remember, the Stamp Act imposed a whole bunch of different taxes and created some
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  monopolies, and it basically brought the heavy hand of of the the monarchy down
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  on the colonists. So the I'm not going to like read it the whole
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  way through verbatim, but you'll notice that in the first paragraph that they try
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  to kiss the king's ass just enough what you're supposed to do under a monarchy.
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  I guess to trouble for backtalk, like you know, when you when
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  you're mad about something that your parents did. Is a kid, when you're
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  a kid and you're like going to tell them your rules suck and I don't
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  want to follow them. But you can't just walk up to mom and dad
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  and be like, your rules suck and I don't want to follow them,
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  because you will. You will get whatever type of punishment they like to do
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  for for misbehavior, which in my case they might have actually said, okay,
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  let's see how that goes, and then then I would have had to
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  deal with the fallout afterwards, and I would have had to talk about it
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  and analyze it and admit where I was wrong. So that would really sucked.
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  Right, So they really love you, but I hate your rules.
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  Beginning to see what happens in certain democracies if you actually criticize the government.
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  Yeah, particularly in Canada and in the UK and in all parts across Europe.
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  If you if you say anything the government doesn't like, I'll accuse you
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  of hate speech. If you say in your own home and someone else snitches
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  on you to the government, much like the Stazi. That's so, yeah,
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  it's not just absolute monarchies where this happens, or even well, the
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  difference is in an absolute monarchy and you don't you don't just get some sort
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  of censure or you know, you're investigated by three letter agencies and called names
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  online and stuff for it. You end up swinging from a rope. We'll
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  wait and see. We may see that. I don't know that I would
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  consider the situation in the United States today to be very democratic considering the things
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  that have come out. It's just and I'm not going to expand on that.
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  YouTube can get mad at us for being vague, but they won't get
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  mad at us for saying things that you're not allowed to say on YouTube.
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  So there you go. If you want to hear more about that, contact
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  me directly. Whether it's a democratic government or an absolute monarchist government. They
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  should only be given access to a small amount of of lackeys who are even
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  able to perform these state sponsored hangings, because as long as they are restricted
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  to a small amount of lackeys, they won't be able to they won't have
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  the resources to come after everyone who says fuck the king. That's what we're
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  looking after. That's what we're looking for. We either want a king or
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  a democratically elected government who doesn't have the money or resources to enact the worst
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  possible punishments on all of the people who complain about their tyranny. So it
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  should work. Maybe they can, I don't know, make an example of
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  someone, but as long as we know that their power is diminished enough not
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  to be able to come after everyone who breaks the unjust laws, and we
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  can say fuck you, We are in our masses going to break these unjust
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  laws and there's nothing you can do about it because you don't have the resources
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  to do it. What we found ourselves in right now, and I mean
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  especially the UK and Canada and Australia and a lot of Europe, like we've
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  given We've given this already bloated government all the power and resources it needs to
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  to come after everyone who even says boo to a goose. Simultaneously, they
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  can't be bothered sorting out burglaries and murders and all that that takes effort.
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  They're putting all of their resources into coming after people who go online and say
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  boo to a goose. They can They're only they're only able to do this
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  because they have accrued so much power. Fucking needless to say. Well,
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  in my case, I simply blocked the goose because I'm not her husband and
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  I don't have to put up with her hen pecking. So what about the
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  gander? What about the gander? Oh I'm laughing at the gander. So
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  no, there's a dude. There's male feminist that that is. He's like
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  a male feminist stereotype bot that you poke and he does a stereotypical male feminist
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  thing every time you poke him, and it's it's hilarious and sad. So
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  I'm actually kind of just keeping keeping the channel open to that one because of
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  the humor part, you know. But when it gets so sad that it's
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  not funny anymore, I'll probably block him too because that gets old. But
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  yeah, in any case, so, uh, what happened with the Declaration
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  of Rights was you know, they they heavy opening. You know, mom,
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  Dad, I still love you, but we are having some problems.
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  And here's what they are. You know, we're an adult now, that's
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  that's basically you know, the colonies had been like the government of Britain had
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  its hands full with Britain and with running multiple colonized areas. A lot was
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  left to the the tea companies, right, the Indian trading companies, the
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  British, the English one, the Dutch one and the French one, which
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  they were all in competition with each other, right, and so the colonists
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  a lot of the hardships that they dealt with they dealt with on their own.
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  They didn't have. You know, today you turned to the government for
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  help with every little thing. If there is a natural disaster, there's a
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  flood, there's a tornado, there's a blizzard, there's a drought, and
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  no crops are grown in a particular area during a particular time. If there's
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  crime, if there's an inability to get things shipped to your area due to
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  problems, you know, you go to Uncle Sam, and Uncle Sam was
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  like, well, here's some some stuff that you paid for by your tax
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  dollars, and you know, or here's the stuff that the men in your
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  community paid for with their tax dollars. Because women are already getting theirs back
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  through a whole variety of agencies and stuff, you know, FEMA didn't exist.
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  That none of that stuff existed. There was no welfare uh there.
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  The churches were not wealthy. They got their money from donations from the public.
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  They didn't they didn't have a lot. So there wasn't there wasn't a
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  safety net here. The safety net was the individual and the community working together
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  to address problems, to address you know, if there was a if there
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  was a fire, there wasn't even a fire department. There was a fire
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  brigade, and it was all volunteer, right. That's that's how that was
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  at the time. So when all of this sudden interest and taxation and regulation
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  and uh uh monopolizing goods and and calling it smuggling if you traded in goods
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  that were not from the the uh trading companies, uh the approved trading companies
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  like that. That pissed everybody off. So they they pointed out, yes,
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  the colonies owe the same allegiance to the to the Crown as any other
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  subjects. Yes, the colonies are entitled therefore to the same inherent rights and
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  privileges of natural born English citizens. Unfortunately, and and it's essential to the
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  freedom of the people. It's undoubted. You can't question this that as one
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  of those rights. There should be no taxation without representation that that it is
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  by the people's consent that the government is entitled to govern, and not just
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  like that was that was established remember by the by the barons that stood up
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  and told the king, you know, fuck, you know, we're not
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  spending any more money on these stupid things that you're doing that are failing.
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  We need to say in this and we want to have this great council and
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  you can't ignore us anymore. And and then they they had bloody battles to
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  establish that. So this is long established by now, it's one hundred couple
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  hundred years later more than so. There there's no reason why this shouldn't have
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  been understood. I didn't go over the Mayflier compact. I haven't actually added
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  that to the timeline yet, but I well, but this at this point
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  were sort of because of how much there is. I'm sort of highlighting this
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  just because it's a contributing factor to the formation of the the system of government
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  in the United States, and that affects how voting evolved here, and this
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  is kind of why it formed this way, right, They had this beef
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  the only representation of the people that the colonists had were people who maybe sympathized
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  with the colonies a little bit, but they didn't actually have a point of
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  representatives. So that was one of the things they felt that it was very
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  unreasonable. And then after several points that addressed that, then they finally said,
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  also, trial by jury is an inherent right to every British subject,
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  and then and you shouldn't be denying that to us. So they specifically mentioned
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  the Stamp Act and say we're we're mad about this because it takes away those
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  rights. It taxes without representation, The taxes are burdensome. You have taken
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  away our right to trial by jury, and so it's subverting the rights and
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  liberties of the colonists and what it's caused. Then it's it goes through and
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  lays out here are some of the problems that are caused. We have now
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  got a scarcity of goods that we need, and it's it's essentially acknowledged that
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  you Americans are paying for things they're not getting because of this. And so
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  they are respectfully demanding representation before this type of thing gets imposed, and that
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  they they want the Stamp Act repealed. They don't want this or or the
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  Stamp Act and other acts of late not not to be imposed. Right,
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  So that was that was a communication sent to the king. Meanwhile, we
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  have going on in addition to the Stamp Act, we have the Sugar Act,
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  we have the Townsend Act, and and we have the debate that was
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  taking place during that time. So in the midst of this debate, there
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  we go and I'm gonna pronounce the last name bar It might be Beret or
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  something like. It does appear to be an accent over the okay. Well,
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  he stood up for the colonists in in debate regarding the passage of this
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  Stamp Act, and his speech is significant to America because the revolutionary group that
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  would have been known as terrorist insurgents if we had lost the Revolutionary War,
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  but are considered patriots because we won, took their name directly from this this
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  speech that he made. So he was explaining in a very passionate speech by
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  the way to Parliament that the colonist's response to this this imposition would be very
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  unpredictable. They if you could predict anything, it could it would be that
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  it would be bad pr for the government that that yes, you're going to
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  pissed them off. He responded to his his main critic, Charles Townsend,
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  went off about, you know, we take care of these colonists, that
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  they should be they should respect the rule of the UK, and he had
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  this whole speech directed back at Townshend, pointing out that the colonies existed actually
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  due to people fleeing oppressive conditions in Britain, facing many hardships of settling the
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  unknown, untamed land to get away from that, so they went into potential
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  death, They went into guaranteed hardship, uh, to get away from being
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  told who they could, how they could worship, and and you know who
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  they could associate with, and and so on. In his monologue on this,
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  in his description about this, he described all of the variety of things
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  that the colonists had been through, Like the speech is actually available. I
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  don't know if I linked to it. Yeah, I did, good.
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  I didn't think to put that up earlier. But in the meantime, you
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  know, he pointed out, you know, the government did nothing for them
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  during that time, or very little for them during that time, and during
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  all of that, like he referred to the colonists in America as the sons
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  of liberty. So that is where the name sons of liberty came from.
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  And let's see if this actually shows h Yeah, the yeah of courses freezes.
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  There we go. Charles Townsend basically said, and now will these Americans
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  children planted by our care, nourished up by our indulgence, until they are
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  grown to a degree of strength and opulence, and protected by our arms,
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  will they grudge to contribute their might to relieve us from the heavyweight of that
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  burden which we lie under. So basically he's like, they don't want to
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  pay us back for all of all that we did for them when they were
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  fledgling colonies. And he that was just a couple of sentences, and as
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  you can see, there are three paragraphs. He went on a rant.
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  It's great and I love the speech. Right, No planted your care,
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  No, your oppressions planted them in America. They fled from your tyranny,
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  then to an to a then uncultivated and inhospitable country, where they exposed themselves
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  to almost all the hardships to which human nature is liable, and, among
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  others, to the cruelties of a savage foe. The most subtle and I
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  take upon me to say, the most formidable of any people upon the face
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  of God's earth, and and and it's he went on like that. I
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  mean, the colonists faced starvation, They faced whether they had never seen before.
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  They faced people they couldn't communicate with, who didn't want them there.
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  They faced animals they'd never dealt with before. You know that, just all
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  of these things, the same thing that happened with the prison colony in Australia.
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  Actually there there were there was a lot of nature in both the Americas
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  and in Australia. That was that came as a surprise to travelers, that
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  that that nature could behave this way and produce these things, that that do
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  these things to you if they get a hold of you, and and and
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  that cats could get this big. But but yeah, so he went through
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  nourished up by your indulgence. He addressed each one they protected by your arms,
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  and pointed out the the use of colonists in war against France in the
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  Seven Years War. They took up arms there they bled and died. Right.
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  So, if you get a chance to look up this speech, and
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  of course when I do make the timeline publicly available, I will this is
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  linked so people can read it. So the Sons of Liberty, there we
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  go. The Sons of Liberty then formed out of a group called the Loyal
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  Nine. They were loyal to the colonies, not to the crown, but
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  they they actually became an organization that was throughout the colonies UH and and they
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  organized protests, they organized all kinds of actions, and it started out again
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  as objection to the Stamp Act, but over time it became more of a
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  an overall response to UH, to to tyranny, to conflict, to everything
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  that was going on during the time period before the Revolutionary War. So there
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  were me there were discussions, they were occupiers, I guess you could say
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  they were rabble rousers. And right before the time period of the point in
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  time where the Boston Tea Party happens, you know, there had been multiple
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  little skirmishes and conflicts, protests that where there had been vandalism, where there
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  had been you know, goods damaged and property damaged and so on. Like.
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  They were not quietly standing on street corners and just saying things. They
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  actually had quite a bit of activity going on. And in the meantime,
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  one of the big protests was of course to the monopoly of the British East
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  India Tea Company, and because of the imposition of not just attacks, but
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  a monopoly where tea was regarded, it regarded, they determined that well,
• 33:05
  we're just not gonna let them deliver their tea. It's not coming in.
• 33:09
  It's they're going to sit in their ships and then it's going to go right
• 33:14
  back out. We're not We're not taking it. If I was around at
• 33:17
  the time, I would have been right on board of this. People like
• 33:22
  to imagine, like, if you were around in Nazi occupied Europe, would
• 33:27
  would you have been on the side of the Nazis or would you have been
• 33:30
  on the on the side of of the resistance? And people like to play
• 33:37
  fast and loose with this as though they even knew what was going on.
• 33:40
  But you know, given what we're doing now, it seems evident that we
• 33:45
  would have been on the side of the resistance. And I'd like to think
• 33:50
  if I was around in the late seventeen hundreds, even if I lived in
• 33:53
  Britain, I would have because I'm a fucking Brexit voter, I'd have been
• 33:58
  hell, yeah, no taxation with that representation. I don't even drink tea.
• 34:01
  Fuck tea. I'm a coffee drinker. I'll be like, yeah,
• 34:05
  I'm fucking throwing tea into the Thames. Well while I still can, and
• 34:12
  I would have been like, fuck it. We should join the United States.
• 34:15
  We should become one of the states or I guess in England and Scotland
• 34:21
  Wales. Not that I wasn't a thing at the time. We should have
• 34:24
  become three of the states in the in the American Federation, and and then
• 34:31
  and then I guess two hundred and fifty years later, I'd be going,
• 34:34
  oh, ship, well that was a mistake, given what fucking American governments
• 34:37
  don't But oh yeah, but maybe maybe if if we came together as one
• 34:43
  nation, we could have That's probably not there was no way out of this
• 34:51
  bullshit. This is all it's still it still would have any badly just because
• 34:57
  it's too big, right my opinion, I don't approve of government at all,
• 35:06
  Like I don't think that it's the best way to manage human relationships,
• 35:10
  but it's the way that humans have chosen to manage human relationships for thousands and
• 35:20
  thousands of years, right, So obviously you know I'm outvoted on this.
• 35:24
  But if we're gonna do it that way, which obviously we we we are,
• 35:30
  the next best thing is for to be a loose conglomerate of much smaller,
• 35:42
  you know, self governing bits and pieces, as opposed to one all
• 35:49
  encompassing trying to manage the entire population government. The bigger the population the the
• 36:00
  government entity is trying to manage, the more individual people end up getting squeezed
• 36:08
  and you know, oppressed because their interests they're not respected, and their individuality
• 36:17
  that's not respected, their autonomy not respected. When the bigger it gets,
• 36:23
  the less the government recognizes the boundaries between its authority and your autonomy. And
• 36:30
  I think smaller, smaller population levels in it within a governed body. So
• 36:45
  basically like it's better if the states make most of the decisions than it is
• 36:52
  if the federal government makes most of the decisions. And there's a whole lot
• 36:55
  of things that even the states are too big for, and maybe the county
• 37:00
  level should be how those decisions are made, you know, and only things
• 37:05
  that are of national need and interest, like maintaining a military should have federal
• 37:12
  involvement because that way, if you have something going on that's a violation of
• 37:22
  your autonomy and your rights. You don't have to go all the way to
• 37:25
  the federal level. You just go to your local government. And if you
• 37:30
  can't get respect from your local government, you take your labor and your tax
• 37:37
  dollars and you go to another area and you live where you're treated better.
• 37:43
  And that keeps the government honest, because if they want people to live in
• 37:47
  their vicinity and support their ideas and their initiatives, then they have to treat
• 37:55
  people fairly, and they can't keep you there so because they're not big enough.
• 38:04
  But yeah, so what's what's going on at that time of the Boston
• 38:09
  Tea Party is this decision has been made. We're just not gonna take your
• 38:13
  tea. Fuck your tea, you know, just just you keep your tea.
• 38:17
  You can have your monopoly, but we're not. We're not going to
• 38:22
  accept any of your products. So it's just gonna we'll do without. And
• 38:30
  and of course the British East India Company went along and said, well,
• 38:35
  we're gonna ship to you anyway. You would just accept this ship them.
• 38:43
  If you just accept a shipload of tea coming into your harbor, that'd be
• 38:46
  great. And and and the Boston Tea party was the Sons of Liberty going
• 38:55
  no like that. But it took a little longer than that. Right,
• 39:00
  the ships sat in the harbor and the British representatives, the British government representatives,
• 39:08
  said you got to pay this tax or we're going to take military action.
• 39:14
  And the colonists were like, we're not going to pay taxes on this,
• 39:17
  We're not accepting the shipment. Take it back, we don't want it.
• 39:22
  Right, So you had this conflict going back and forth, and a
• 39:24
  they had a deadline, if you don't pay the tax by this point in
• 39:29
  time, we're going to uh where we're going to initiate uh an action,
• 39:35
  a military action. And it gets up to the deadline when the tax had
• 39:40
  to be paid, and the Sons of Liberty had been meeting about this and
• 39:45
  discussing this and trying to figure out what they were going to do, and
• 39:46
  they finally decided that, well, we're we're going to have to actually uh
• 39:52
  take action ourselves and show them this is what we're this is what we're going
• 39:58
  to do. So so yeah, they disguised themselves, but I mean they
• 40:04
  didn't know that it was going to be known that it was colonists. They
• 40:07
  just didn't want the British military to be able to pick out which colonists did
• 40:15
  it, because then they would all be hanged, So they went in the
• 40:24
  The deadline to pay the tax on the tea the Dartmouth delivered to Boston was
• 40:29
  December seventeenth. Immediately following the arrival of the Dartmouth, at the end of
• 40:36
  November seventeen seventy three, pamphlets distributed by the Sons of Liberty appeared throughout the
• 40:40
  streets of Boston, proclaiming, friends, brethren, countrymen, that worst of
• 40:45
  plagues, the detested tea shipped for this port by the East India Company is
• 40:52
  now arrived in the harbor. The hour of destruction, or manly opposition to
• 40:59
  the mech machinations of tyranny stares you in the face. I notice it's as
• 41:05
  mainly not citizens or anything. This was all women did not stick their necks
• 41:12
  out in this way, right. There were women in the Revolution that acted
• 41:15
  as spies. There were women that did a lot of different support methods for
• 41:23
  the revolution, and you know, they did stick their necks out. They
• 41:29
  could have been executed for their crimes just as well as the men. But
• 41:34
  they did not do combat. They did not do this, and contrary to
• 41:39
  feminist claims, it isn't because the men didn't let them. It's because it
• 41:45
  just wasn't normal for women to be expected to have to do that when there
• 41:51
  was fighting to be done. Everybody knew that it was male obligation, not
• 41:54
  female obligation. At this point in time, in this culture, women probably
• 42:01
  did it in a in a sort of guerrilla warfare sense. Yep. Well,
• 42:06
  I guess they stood there holding their hands up, going I'm just a
• 42:08
  woman and I can't do anything, and then they pull a dagger out of
• 42:12
  their skirt and go class shank, shank, shank. It was fine.
• 42:17
  You know, it's a good way of it's a good way of playing out
• 42:20
  the warfare. You can guarantee women will. You would use every everything they
• 42:25
  had to their advantage because they wanted their freedom to But but again, what
• 42:34
  they didn't do, and just just a reminder, the way the warfare was
• 42:38
  done at the time changed because of the American Revolutionary War. It was it
• 42:45
  used to be. It used to be that it was done out in the
• 42:53
  open, in a big open area, and to two lines of troops would
• 43:00
  like run across each field at each other and make themselves open targets for each
• 43:07
  other and uh at the same time, you know, open threats to each
• 43:10
  other. And what the colonists had learned from the Native Americans was that's that's
• 43:16
  really dumb. You don't have to do that, especially if you're surrounded by
• 43:22
  like forest lands and all kinds of you know, hills and valleys and rivers
• 43:28
  and lakes and swamps. There were there were areas of the colonies where you
• 43:34
  know, you could you could hide in a location and then let them come
• 43:38
  after you. And then when they came after you, they might end up
• 43:42
  in a bog and it was particularly bad, bad place to end up.
• 43:47
  But yeah, the gorilla warfare kinda became common in in European warfare after that
• 43:59
  because because of that. But so they yeah, we have Albert Nada retro
• 44:10
  gave us five dollars Canadian and says they dressed up like a bunch of Native
• 44:13
  Americans and committed an active treason against King and country. They tried to set
• 44:16
  up natives to take the fall. Now they knew the British would know that
• 44:22
  that wasn't real Native Americans. They wouldn't have any reason to do that.
• 44:25
  The Native Americans didn't care if the colonists got tea from Britain. You know,
• 44:30
  it was the colonists that had been making protestations like so that that that
• 44:37
  basically that doesn't fly as a as an allegation. It'd be one thing if
• 44:45
  there were a bunch of communications back and forth between the tribes and the crown
• 44:52
  about the tea, like there had been between the colonists and the crown about
• 44:57
  the tea. But that's not how history played out, right, That's that's
• 45:01
  a bit that's a bit revisionist there. But in any case, so for
• 45:10
  for almost a month they had daily meetings. Albard Hitter retro gave his two
• 45:20
  dollars. Canadians said, oh great, now you're blaming gorillas and no,
• 45:24
  no, no, they're one of my favorite bands. Uh they didn't do
• 45:31
  nothing. Huh they're not even about cartoonist. Yeah, but I still well,
• 45:40
  no, we all are in a way. But uh so in any
• 45:50
  case, yeah, they like the meetings took place, the protests started,
• 45:58
  the uh, the grumblings were spread throughout the colonies, and and then they
• 46:07
  began organizing the Boston Tea Party. So let's see if I can they refer
• 46:16
  to this as the tea crisis. By the way, it's like there was
• 46:21
  no there were They would have called it tea Gate if it had happened after
• 46:25
  Watergate, but there were no gates. So this is everybody always kind of
• 46:30
  talks about. You know what, what how did people refer to these things
• 46:31
  before Watergate? They called them crises? So once again, let's see,
• 46:43
  did I want to here we go? This is where I wanted to go.
• 46:45
  Next, the secret plan which is taking its time opening. I should
• 46:54
  have had this open before the show, all right? See, yeah,
• 47:09
  this is this is the one I'm I always wanting. When when the Dartmouth
• 47:15
  refused to refuse to pass to safely bail out and leave, like hey,
• 47:22
  you know we won't we won't harm you if you just go, and then
• 47:25
  they refuse to go, and and we you know, we knew or are
• 47:32
  they knew that there would be military action from the Brits if they did nothing.
• 47:38
  The Sons of Liberty began planning a last resort alternative if they couldn't get
• 47:45
  the conflict solved the way they wanted, and obviously that was to to board
• 47:52
  the ship and throw the tea overboard. At the time, the Lieutenant govern
• 48:00
  Chief Justice of Massachusetts, Thomas Hutchinson, was the final word. He was
• 48:07
  the guy that made the decision in regards to colonial policy in Massachusetts, and
• 48:14
  he refused to cooperate with the people's demands. So Sam Adams, Samuel Adams,
• 48:20
  was like, this is this is it. We're at a stalemate meeting,
• 48:23
  can do nothing more to save the country. And this was two thousands
• 48:31
  of people. This was not like when I say secret meetings and everything,
• 48:37
  it makes it sound like, you know, a room full of people in
• 48:38
  a back room and a tavern like. No, they had a tree they
• 48:43
  met under frequently called the Liberty Tree, and there was this huge grassy area
• 48:47
  and this huge like park area around it. When when this was taking place,
• 48:54
  everybody and their uncle showed up to hear about this. So this was
• 49:04
  a community wide response, not just an angry band of rabble rousers was roused
• 49:13
  already, kind of like those meetings we have as quote unquote MRAs and then
• 49:20
  we get a mainstream media journalists claiming they've infiltrated it. This this public meeting
• 49:27
  that we've advertised to the world that all the time set up and go,
• 49:32
  look, look we've infiltrated this public meeting. It's full of conspiracy. They
• 49:42
  do that all the time. I still remember when I came out under my
• 49:45
  real name after, you know, when kids were old enough that child Protective
• 49:50
  Services was no longer a threat that feminists could use against me because they had
• 49:54
  been doing that, and I I had been going by Della Burton up until
• 50:01
  that point, and now now that my parents have passed away, I could
• 50:07
  tell you that was a combination of part of my mom's name and my dad's
• 50:13
  name. So but in any case, i'd been I had been Dela Burton
• 50:21
  for about a year and a half, maybe maybe two years as a writer
• 50:29
  on a Voice for Men and as a speaker in the early episodes of HBr
• 50:34
  Talk. When I finally said, okay, it's safe. By the time
• 50:38
  they are able to take any action, my youngest will be too old for
• 50:45
  them to have jurisdiction. He'll be eighteen, So come out under my real
• 50:50
  name, Hannah Wallen. And the next week David Futrell published my real name
• 50:59
  on his website as if it was a dox I have discovered, totally exposing
• 51:09
  the unknown fact like and I was just like, you know, you have
• 51:17
  that information because I came out right I do. Yeah. Well, I
• 51:24
  mean that's just feminists, and it's what passes for journalism with feminists. Yeah.
• 51:30
  Yeah. The secret information that was made publicly available is now no longer
• 51:36
  a secret because I discovered that it was made publicly available and now I am
• 51:42
  exposing it. When even when even when they're not technically doxing you, they
• 51:49
  still proudly proclaim that they've doxed you. They like to they like to think
• 51:53
  that they they've committed the arguable crime of doxing you, even when they haven't.
• 52:00
  I just proud of having committed a crime that they haven't committed. Well,
• 52:05
  is a crime to dox people? Yet it's not. It is,
• 52:08
  But it's not like there's no criminal law in the United States, at least
• 52:15
  that uses the term doxing. But according to the Violence Against Women Act,
• 52:22
  it is considered stalking if you engage in a course of conduct within the borders
• 52:31
  of the United States that would be reasonably expected to cause your target substantial emotional
• 52:40
  distress. So doxing can be a crime if you do it in a way
• 52:47
  that would be reasonably expected to cause fear and anxiety and intimidation for when's safety,
• 52:58
  and it does actually also say those things like it's it. If it's
• 53:02
  reasonably expected to cause someone to fear for their safety, you can be convicted
• 53:09
  of stalking and harassment and h when now, obviously what Footrell did, there's
• 53:19
  no reasonable interpretation of that that makes it upsetting. It's just sad and funny,
• 53:24
  and it's more funny than sad, Like I have never stopped laughing at
• 53:29
  that. Every time I think about it, I get a giggle. Yes,
• 53:31
  I'm so exposed. But we had a guy come on Twitter in response
• 53:40
  to Futrell's writing about us that that published the addresses the home addresses of a
• 53:49
  bunch of m ras and among the things that he published about me was five
• 53:57
  different addresses that that he was claiming were my address, and you know,
• 54:04
  they were all places where I had lived that at some point that were publicly
• 54:10
  available online. So we didn't expose information that was private or anything. You
• 54:15
  know, it was information you could get for a dollar. But at the
• 54:20
  same time, he was highlighting it in a place where there were people who
• 54:23
  were openly hostile toward all a voice for men writers and I was one of
• 54:31
  those writers and one of those addresses. You know, I knew the people
• 54:37
  that lived there, and they didn't do anything, like they were not people
• 54:44
  that were part of the men's rights movement. They didn't have any conflict with
• 54:49
  feminists. They weren't, you know, like the husband didn't like feminists very
• 54:52
  much, but he had He didn't go out and say stuff and do stuff
• 54:57
  about it. You know, he wasn't responsible for anything I did. And
• 55:01
  it was upsetting to me that somebody might go to their house and harass them.
• 55:06
  And you know, one of those places was my parents' house. And
• 55:09
  then then there were a couple of places where I had lived. I had
• 55:15
  rented an apartment and the addresses of those apartments were given and I have no
• 55:21
  idea who lives in those places now, Like I rented an apartment for a
• 55:25
  few years and then moved on. And so complete strangers could have been if
• 55:30
  somebody decided to show up on people's doorsteps because of this this poster. Complete
• 55:37
  strangers would have been harassed right for for things that they had no idea,
• 55:45
  you know, or somebody might have showed up to bother my parents. I
• 55:46
  had to call my parents and tell them, you know, somebody starts as
• 55:50
  somebody you don't know shows up on the doorstep and starts asking about me,
• 55:52
  Call the police, lock the doors, don't let them in because this this
• 55:58
  happened, and because you might get Mark and Jaluji. Well, we didn't
• 56:02
  know that that level of violence was going to happen at the time, but
• 56:07
  we also didn't know that it wasn't We didn't know by that time that when
• 56:12
  we tried to have a peaceful conference about father's rights and due process rights and
• 56:21
  things that everybody should care about, we had bomb threats. Like people tried
• 56:30
  to stop a conference about family unity and the right to have your your your
• 56:40
  literal human right to to not be punished without due process of law, without
• 56:50
  having proof laid out that you did what you're accused of to be punished for.
• 56:58
  Oh, that's you know, that's that's deserving a bomb threat. Kids
• 57:04
  can be subjected to all kinds of bizarre sexual nonsense from adults today and they
• 57:13
  don't get bomb threats. Right, But if you might suggest that hitting people
• 57:21
  is just as wrong if those people are men as it is if those people
• 57:25
  are women, you deserve bomb threats. That's what we basically were told,
• 57:30
  right, that's what we were subjected to. So it was scary, but
• 57:34
  it wasn't as scary for me as it was for some of the guys.
• 57:37
  Right, one of the guys had a daughter in kindergarten, and the voice
• 57:43
  for Mendoc's account that was targeting us published on Twitter the address of the school
• 57:52
  that child went to. That is there's no way to interpret that than to
• 58:00
  say it was intended is a threat. Yeah, and he contacted law enforcement.
• 58:05
  Law enforcement contacted Twitter because when he contacted Twitter, they determined that that
• 58:10
  was not abuse. So yeah, those of you who have those of you
• 58:17
  who have wives and children, I don't blame you for pulling back and and
• 58:25
  capitulating somewhat to the narrative because you know you don't want your wives and children
• 58:32
  being killed. But if you could, I go ahead and not demonize those
• 58:38
  of us who are who are in a position to stand behind everything we say,
• 58:49
  because because we don't have children who can be killed. I mean that
• 58:53
  that would be great. I mean all of us, all of are in
• 59:00
  it for the right reasons one way or another. Well, not all of
• 59:04
  us, but you know, it's understandable that people get scared when they have
• 59:15
  when they have loved ones that can be targeted, because that's even worse than
• 59:19
  yourself being targeted. It's actuallystandable when people don't get scared. It's much like
• 59:29
  apparently when you join those secretive federal agencies, you're sort of your you're trained
• 59:36
  too to what to do in the event of of your your wife and children
• 59:43
  being targeted. And I don't know how much of this is mythical, but
• 59:51
  the training is that you should you should be able to to sacrifice your loved
• 59:59
  ones for the sake of the agency. And that isn't something we do because
• 1:00:04
  we're not a federal agency, we're not even a cult. This is also
• 1:00:07
  something cults will do. They will defool you from your family. Again,
• 1:00:13
  this is not something we will do. If anyone does it, I for
• 1:00:17
  one will will disavow them readily and strongly. But you know, at the
• 1:00:27
  same time, some of us are out here without all that many contacts.
• 1:00:32
  We're out here just doing what we have to what has to be done.
• 1:00:40
  And it's sort of understandable that, well, not even that that's the reason
• 1:00:45
  we don't have kids. The fact that we don't have kids sort of makes
• 1:00:51
  us less susceptible in all sorts of emotional ways like I don't even know where
• 1:00:59
  to take it from that, but if you can at least refrain from saying
• 1:01:04
  you childless people can't be trusted. No, As a matter of fact,
• 1:01:09
  camp we're not the ones you childed people have a point of contact whereby you
• 1:01:17
  can be manipulating. And I'm not saying I'm better than childed people. I'm
• 1:01:22
  just saying, but you're not as vulnerable because there isn't you know, it's
• 1:01:30
  if you have children. You know, the scariest thing in the world is
• 1:01:35
  something potentially happening to your children out of your control where you can't protect them,
• 1:01:43
  and you can't and that doesn't stop when they reach adulthood. Right,
• 1:01:46
  you could be eighty years old and your kids could be sixty years old and
• 1:01:52
  you would still have that fear of something bad happening to them outside of your
• 1:01:59
  control. You could be going through health conditions that end up burdensome to your
• 1:02:07
  children because they care about you, And one of the things that goes through
• 1:02:12
  your mind is I'm sorry they have to deal with this. You know,
• 1:02:24
  both both of my parents apologize to me for being sick in their old age,
• 1:02:31
  and I had to explain that like this is this is just part of
• 1:02:36
  being a family. You took care of Grama on Grandpa, I'm taking care
• 1:02:37
  of you. Don't apologize. It's not your fault. Yeah what happened.
• 1:02:43
  It's when you love somebody as much as you love your children, there is
• 1:02:50
  no rational limit, and you know it does make you vulnerable. It makes
• 1:02:59
  you vulnerable and way that nothing else can touch, and it gets used against
• 1:03:07
  people by the worst of the worst. General Flynn, the reason that he
• 1:03:15
  was vulnerable to being made to confess to something that he didn't do was because
• 1:03:22
  his son was threatened by the people that made him confess. And you imagine
• 1:03:30
  sitting in a room full of people with absolute power that you cannot prevent from
• 1:03:36
  doing horrible things as abuses of that power telling you, yeah, it's too
• 1:03:43
  late for you. You're going to be treated as guilty of this regardless of
• 1:03:50
  whether you confess or not. But you can help your son if you confess,
• 1:03:55
  we won't trump up charges against him and go after him. In addition
• 1:04:00
  to you, what a mind fuck man, I do the same thing.
• 1:04:12
  I would do the same thing. I would absolutely roll over if it meant
• 1:04:15
  to save my child and it is. It is one of the worst abuses,
• 1:04:23
  one of the worst types of torture that is used by oppressive governments.
• 1:04:30
  And the United States government did that to a family. So yeah, this
• 1:04:34
  is not a point of contention that should divide us. There are people who
• 1:04:43
  are childed, and there are people who are child There are people who choose
• 1:04:46
  to remain childless. There are people who for whatever, under whatever circumstances,
• 1:04:53
  have to be childless. And we were really shouldn't be pointing the finger each
• 1:04:58
  other and identity politicking against each other. Say well, you're childless and you're
• 1:05:04
  childish. No, we're as long as we're as long as we're at least
• 1:05:10
  ostensibly on the same side, we should be on the same side. It's
• 1:05:13
  much like Christians and atheists like I know, I I know, we have
• 1:05:18
  our differences, but we really shouldn't be arguing with each other when we have
• 1:05:25
  a common enemy. That's it Islam. I'm gonna go ahead and say I
• 1:05:32
  don't care if we get demonetized, let alone counseled for it. But yeah,
• 1:05:38
  we we you know, we're getting rapidly, you know, invaded by
• 1:05:44
  that particular part of the world. And if we're sat here as atheists and
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  Christians arguing amongst each other, then we're only volunteering for the divide part of
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  the divine and concrete. You know, I won't even do that. We
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  have a common enemy, which should together against that common enemy. It's not
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  even all of Islam, it's just the radical the part that would be called
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  evangelical, uh and and forceful if they were Christians, and if Christians acted
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  like that, they would they would be uh. They would end up being
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  prosecuted for it. Because there's been a pretty good sized Muslim population in the
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  United States that didn't try to impose religious change on people who didn't want it,
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  and didn't try to impose cultural change on people who didn't want it for
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  decades at least not in terms of religion. Right. Some of them contributed
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  to the Civil rights movement very well. Some of them were were actually quite
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  great in terms of getting people to understand that if something is a human right,
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  your human demographic doesn't change whether it applies to you. That's what the
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  Civil rights movement was about. It's not the woke shit of racism and anti
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  racism. But yeah, there's an obvious divide in that religious community and it's
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  unfair to say that the part of that community that gets oppressed by the more
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  violent part of that community is in any way responsible for the behavior of the
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  violent part of that community, because it would be very similar to saying that,
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  you know, Baptists and Methodists and you know, all the various Protestant
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  denominations are responsible for the Catholic Church suppressing allegations of abuse within its ranks,
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  Like, we don't have any control over that. So but I will say
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  this, we should have had a good balance here in the US in regard
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  to how to handle that, not the Catholic thing, but the islam thing.
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  We're supposed to have freedom of religion here, and the concept of freedom
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  of religion comes from the amendment in our constitution that says that the church is
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  not allowed to control the state. The state is not allowed to establish a
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  church and control the church, and it's not allowed to impose the church on
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  the people. So if you choose to practice, or if you choose not
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  to practice, that's supposed to be up to you. And if you choose
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  a particular practice, that's supposed to be up to you. The only thing
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  you're not allowed to do is violate your neighbor's boundaries by breaking laws against violence
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  and trespassing and stuff like that as part of your religious practice. Can't do
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  that. That's the only limit really that's supposed to be put to your religious
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  freedom. And unfortunately, we have a lot of different groups right now trying
• 1:09:31
  to vie for political power for their religious affiliations. And the way I look
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  at it, based on how I was raised in the Christian Union denomination,
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  and how I feel about denomination now, like I'm in opposition to the idea
• 1:09:50
  of dividing Christianity up into a bunch of little sects that fight with each other.
• 1:09:56
  It's fine if you categorize yourself and what you believe with the name,
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  but it's dumb to say other groups aren't also equally Christian. And I'm seeing
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  a lot of that right and it screws things up. But the relationship that
• 1:10:14
  you make with Deity when you practice a religion is only real if it's consensual.
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  And so all of the different religions that turn around and say, well,
• 1:10:27
  you have to go to our church, you have to practice our religion,
• 1:10:29
  you have to subscribe to our beliefs, you have to follow our laws
• 1:10:32
  or we're going to find a way to use the government to punish you.
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  They're actually undermining themselves in my opinion, and to me, that's one of
• 1:10:45
  the differences between a practice of faith and a search for a personal code of
• 1:10:55
  ethics and a relationship with the divine versus actually being in a cult. And
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  yeah, I like, I could go on a long, longer rant about
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  that, but I think it's very important to It's it's not like with feminism,
• 1:11:15
  where feminism is based on the false allegation that all men throughout history have
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  been part of a either deliberate or accidental conspiracy to oppress women for men's benefit.
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  Right, Islam may be a cobbled together belief system, but it's still
• 1:11:38
  it's not a false allegation against everybody who's not Muslim, And in terms of
• 1:11:45
  its belief system, that's not what it's based on. It's not its underlying
• 1:11:51
  scaffolding. So I don't I don't hold to treating it as a monolith like
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  they've been killing each other over differences in their beliefs for the whole time the
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  religion has existed, and so it don't. I don't think it helps us
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  to decide that we're going to exclude, exclude those men, And it is
• 1:12:15
  largely those men, because it's men who get sacrificed in in conflict, in
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  that religious conflict, and it's men who take the brunt of punishment when whenever
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  laws are violated in that religion. So and and there are fathers rights issues
• 1:12:39
  in Muslim cultures because of the legal rights that Muslim women do have in those
• 1:12:47
  cultures. And I know people think they don't have legal rights there, but
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  there are a whole set of laws governing how wives and mothers are to be
• 1:12:58
  treated, so they do. And and then there's also there's also the issue
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  of false allegations and do process and these things apply to every group of people,
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  regardless of their religion. And I don't want to exclude people. It's
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  fair to criticize the act of imposition of a belief system on a population that
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  doesn't want it, but it's not fair to generalize. So that's just my
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  take on it. Well, there's not any to exclude people based on their
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  demographic and I say demographic as opposed to group, because the difference is demographic
• 1:13:43
  is that which is that which can be established by something physical or something geographical,
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  This is something I've been this is something I've been pushing on recently.
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  The only identities we need are your name, your identity as an individual,
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  your sex, whether you're a man or a woman, or your nationality.
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  And that to me is as far as it goes, as as as far
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  as as far as necessary cohesion pertains two. And that doesn't mean excluding anyone
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  based on their identity. Beyond that, it means not including people just because
• 1:14:31
  of their identity. This is something we're seeing in the UK a lot quite
• 1:14:35
  recently, and indeed Europe quite recently. People were saying, we are Muslim,
• 1:14:42
  we deserve this because we are Muslim, and we have had this out
• 1:14:45
  and I'm like, okay, right, I hear you, but that doesn't
• 1:14:48
  matter to me. You're just saying that you have this identity based on the
• 1:14:54
  on the book on which you believe. This is something Christians don't do quite
• 1:14:57
  so much. Some of them do, but not quite so much any recently.
• 1:15:00
  Christians have have have have diluted their identities down to the necessary things like
• 1:15:08
  what country you live in, what sex you are you and and and what
• 1:15:13
  your name is, because that's all you really need. And I'm not saying
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  we should exclude people because of their religion. I'm just saying, when when
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  they demand that they be included because of their religious identity, we we we
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  can just go No, that's that's not how anything, that's not how anything
• 1:15:30
  works. That's not it's not an identity that that we have we should have
• 1:15:36
  any obligation to accept. This is a country. The only identity you need
• 1:15:43
  to be in this country is the identity of that country. There is nothing
• 1:15:46
  beyond that. And yeah, this is this is very tricky to get through,
• 1:15:53
  but you're experiencing a problem that's been going ongoing in the United States for
• 1:15:59
  my whole lifetime and was occurring probably for just about that long prior. The
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  concept of US being a nation of immigrants. It's a half truth, right.
• 1:16:14
  Originally, yes, we were a nation of immigrants, but there is
• 1:16:17
  a huge contingent of the population here that can trace their lineage as residents,
• 1:16:27
  as citizens of the United States back to the Mayflower, right back to the
• 1:16:35
  various first immigrants from Europe, and we're talking hundreds of years, we're talking
• 1:16:43
  generations. And yes, they will also have ancestors who were later immigrants.
• 1:16:50
  And yes, there are people who are first generation Americans in every generation,
• 1:16:57
  and yes, that is a good thing and it's important to us. But
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  no, it doesn't mean that you can't have boundaries and you can't tell people
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  you have to have you have to meet these standards, you have to do
• 1:17:11
  these things to become a citizen here so that we know that you are going
• 1:17:15
  to be a loyal citizen of this country and you're not here as a spy
• 1:17:21
  from another country or as part of a crime syndicate. I mean, that's
• 1:17:28
  fair, but that debate has been taking place and you get accused of hating
• 1:17:34
  people based on race for making the argument that we want our citizens to be
• 1:17:42
  upstanding, law abiding citizens who are citizens because they care about the American way
• 1:17:48
  of doing things. They want to live here, to be part of the
• 1:17:56
  culture here and not to un your mind, it like that that makes you
• 1:18:03
  racist now in the United States, and it has for years, you know.
• 1:18:08
  So it's a it's an issue that's we're used to seeing it, and
• 1:18:15
  it's interesting to see it happening elsewhere. I think Canada probably has some similarity
• 1:18:25
  to us in that probably has similar experience with that over the last century.
• 1:18:30
  But now it's now it's happening all over Europe, and Europeans haven't had that
• 1:18:36
  debate for a century. They they're having that debate now and it's a new
• 1:18:42
  debate, and it's it's your growing pains, like we feel it. And
• 1:18:48
  the thing that has to be settled is you have to be able to have
• 1:18:51
  the debate without being silenced. And unfortunately, we have constitutional law that protects
• 1:19:00
  us against being told you can't talk about that because it offends people. And
• 1:19:08
  in an environment where you don't have that and you get arrested because somebody was
• 1:19:13
  offended by one of your tweets, that's going to hinder your ability to have
• 1:19:17
  that discussion just a bit. Yeah, But in the meantime, we'll go
• 1:19:28
  back to We're going to go back to seventeen seventy three and when there was
• 1:19:36
  no United States government yet. The closest we had was that meeting of the
• 1:19:41
  Continental Congress, which was again that was not like Congress. That was a
• 1:19:47
  meeting of colonists who were trying to hash out a way to ask the British
• 1:19:56
  government to have a nicer relationship with the colonies, and the British government kind
• 1:20:00
  of ignored it because they didn't think they had to do anything. They didn't
• 1:20:03
  think it was necessary to address it. Albert Ada Retro gave us two dollars
• 1:20:09
  Canadian and suggested, you need to have Aiden Peladin on to discuss Islam.
• 1:20:13
  I think we have done that, and actually I think we have done that
• 1:20:19
  more than once. But I also think like lately, she's been kind of
• 1:20:26
  busy. She got bigger than us, and she moved on is these so
• 1:20:31
  many badges have come through a channel and then got bigger than the last time
• 1:20:35
  I talked to her, she was swamped with things that she had to do.
• 1:20:45
  Oh and actually we have a comment in the super Chews. Well,
• 1:20:57
  we have Meredith ge'z HBr talk three to eight honey for the badger's comment.
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  Thank you, Meredith Ge. She gave us five dollars, but there's a
• 1:21:04
  note from Ellison in there to read the last comment from the last show,
• 1:21:11
  Maintaining Frame is a cool show. Gave us five dollars and said, hi,
• 1:21:14
  y'all, I really liked the Maintaining Frame series. Thanks, And I
• 1:21:17
  think that's the one she was talking about, because the other ones that look
• 1:21:26
  like they may have may have been read during the show. If they didn't
• 1:21:32
  read the one about the sixty five foot hot dog sculpture in Times Square.
• 1:21:36
  That would be a shame just saying, but y'all all have to go back
• 1:21:44
  to find the maintaining frame show and find out. But yeah, so we
• 1:21:53
  left Adams speaking, two thousands gathered at the old South Meetinghouse and and you
• 1:22:02
  know, I pointed out that the rabble was roused already. But yeah,
• 1:22:10
  so that that was enough. The Sons of Liberty decided they were going to
• 1:22:15
  take action. There was a lot of cheering, There was much rejoicing.
• 1:22:20
  They they already had the plan laid out, They knew what they were going
• 1:22:25
  to do. They got ready. They dressed up in their best interpretations.
• 1:22:29
  By the way, that that doesn't necessarily mean it was accurate. It just
• 1:22:32
  had to disguise them and didn't have to actually fool anybody in terms of you
• 1:22:40
  know, who they what, what race they were and all that. And
• 1:22:45
  they got most mustard at the Fort Hall and marched to the wharf. You
• 1:22:51
  know where this isn't This is an interesting an eyewitness account John Andrews E.
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  Merch. They mustard, I'm told, upon Fort Hill to the number of
• 1:23:03
  about two hundred. You know, the way people talk about the Boston Tea
• 1:23:08
  Party A lot of times you think of this band of like maybe twenty guys
• 1:23:13
  showing up and throwing a tea overboard two hundred. About two hundred people proceeded
• 1:23:19
  two by two to Griffin's Wharf, where Haul Bruce and Coffin lay. Those
• 1:23:24
  were the ships, each with one hundred and fourteen chests of the ill fated
• 1:23:29
  article on board the tea, and before nine o'clock in the evening, every
• 1:23:32
  chest from on board the three vessels was knocked to pieces. They broke it
• 1:23:38
  open and flung over the sides. They say the actors were Indians from I
• 1:23:45
  don't know, Narin Gassant. I don't narragansant whether it were or not.
• 1:23:50
  To a transient observer, they appeared as such, being clothed in blankets,
• 1:23:55
  with the heads muffled and copper colored countenances being each they put on red face.
• 1:24:04
  Oh god, that's funny, each each armed with a hatchet or an
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  axe and a pair of pistols. Nor was their dialect different from what I
• 1:24:13
  conceived these geniuses to speak, as their jargon was unintelligible to all but themselves.
• 1:24:17
  So like the symbolism of the Indian dress. The disguise was more symbolic
• 1:24:28
  than anything. They knew they would be recognized as not Indians. They knew
• 1:24:30
  everybody was going to know, right They knew that the British government had no
• 1:24:35
  reason to believe that suddenly the Mohawk would would be just outraged that there were
• 1:24:45
  ships arriving in the Harvard to deliver tea to the white people, like they
• 1:24:51
  were not going to care. The act of wearing Indian dress was to express,
• 1:24:57
  through symbolism to the world that American colonists identify themselves as Americans, no
• 1:25:00
  longer considered themselves British subjects right day. So that was their way of saying,
• 1:25:11
  yes, we are committing treason, Fuck you, I love it,
• 1:25:19
  and and that essentially set off the conflict. Now, of course, the
• 1:25:28
  rest of the timeline stop telling me to save my work. I'm not saving
• 1:25:31
  my work. I mean it's it's already saved. You had we get we
• 1:25:38
  already read about the massacre and everything. We get the start of battles.
• 1:25:44
  We have after the tea party. We have the intolerable, intolerable acts,
• 1:25:49
  five new laws, and rapid succession. So the list is the Boston Port
• 1:25:58
  Bill closed off the port of Boston, eliminating commerce and trade in the city.
• 1:26:01
  So they basically said, all right, you don't like Artie, you
• 1:26:03
  can't have anything. Uh. The Administration of Justice Act granted a change of
• 1:26:09
  location to to Great Britain or a British colony in the event of a jury
• 1:26:14
  trial. In other words, all right, you want a jury trial,
• 1:26:16
  you have to get on a ship and uh you have to you have to
• 1:26:23
  sail off to Uh. The nearest British colony would have been in Canada at
• 1:26:30
  that point, because you know, we had we had rebels here saying that
• 1:26:36
  they were a separate country now, so it's not counting them. Massachusetts Government
• 1:26:44
  Act limited colonial power and reinstated royal government governance, so they sent a governor.
• 1:26:51
  The Quartering Act allowed the new governor, General Thomas Gage, to house
• 1:26:56
  British soldiers in private homes and ends and other buildings without permission from the colonists.
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  And they could just, you know, come in and stay in your
• 1:27:10
  house and eat your food and take your stuff and break your stuff and so
• 1:27:15
  on. They didn't even have to be polite about it. And then there
• 1:27:18
  was the Quebec Act. This was in seventeen seventy four designated the western region
• 1:27:26
  north of the Ohio River as part of Quebec and made Roman Catholicism the established
• 1:27:32
  religion of Quebec, upsetting the colonial Protestants. And by the way, that
• 1:27:40
  includes where I live right now. It includes where I was born and raised.
• 1:27:45
  So had America lost the Revolutionary War, I would be Canadian. What
• 1:27:58
  hideous thought. Canada probably feels the same way. Since I tell rape jokes,
• 1:28:05
  we know at least one guy in Canada doesn't like that. Oh you
• 1:28:11
  know, maybe Canada could have done with some Ohio and it's in its constituency.
• 1:28:16
  Yeah, it might have based up somewhat, or maybe not if it
• 1:28:20
  was only to become part of Quebec. I mean, even I, even
• 1:28:25
  most Canadians will be like, yeah, fuck Quebec. So there we go.
• 1:28:31
  And again, this is all stuff that I When I make this public,
• 1:28:35
  you'll be able to find links to articles. Dang it. Sorry,
• 1:28:45
  there is no reason for me to even need a cough right now. But
• 1:28:49
  you'll be able to find links to source material for the statements. Albert Nada
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  retro gave his two dollars Canadian then said, hey, m clinic. Nice
• 1:29:01
  oops. Of course it has to jump on me, so I can't see
• 1:29:04
  it now. Nice party, no whiskey, we dump tea now. And
• 1:29:09
  then we had another one from Albert Nata Retro gave us two dollars. Canadian
• 1:29:15
  said, okay, nobody should have Quebec forced on them. How is Quebec
• 1:29:20
  still a thing? You've chased France out of every other part of North America.
• 1:29:25
  Wise, it's still there in Quebec. Yeah, that's where all the
• 1:29:30
  Just let them succeed. Let them succeed. Like after a year of the
• 1:29:35
  secession, I'd be like, I just we doesn't this was a mystic.
• 1:29:41
  We will come back with you now, Yeah, well they might. It's
• 1:29:45
  the same with California and Scotland. Just let them do it for a year
• 1:29:48
  and see what the fuck happens. Yeah. Well, there's one place in
• 1:29:54
  the US that has had some rumblings about succession that actually I think if they
• 1:30:01
  did succeed, they could succeed, if that makes sense, and it might
• 1:30:06
  actually be a blow to the US economy, that is Texas. Yeah,
• 1:30:13
  yes, Like I don't think that there's a state in the Union that doesn't
• 1:30:17
  have people that have a lot of respect for Texas. Uh, And it's
• 1:30:21
  just because memes aside, well, no, not memes aside. Screw that.
• 1:30:29
  Texas is the Chuck Norris of states. Yes it is. If it
• 1:30:36
  wasn't for the fact that it gets hotter than the surface of the sun there
• 1:30:40
  in the summertime, I might have convinced my family to move there. But
• 1:30:46
  yeah, I don't deal well with that level of heat. And there's a
• 1:30:50
  lot of humidity in parts of Texas because of the ocean, so you have
• 1:30:56
  major heat and then major humidity and then Hannah stops breathing. So that didn't
• 1:31:02
  work out too well. But I do have a great deal of respect for
• 1:31:08
  Texas, and I do think just from looking at how the state has been
• 1:31:15
  my entire lifetime, I think, you know, with its with its economy,
• 1:31:18
  with its capabilities, with the people that live there, and how stalwart
• 1:31:25
  they are, how how tough and how capable they are, Texas could be
• 1:31:31
  its own country. It would be a blow to the rest of the country,
• 1:31:35
  though, and I hope it doesn't happen, but then it is something
• 1:31:42
  that could successful. But the same could not be said for California. This
• 1:31:47
  is why I specified California. This is why I didn't say Alberta. If
• 1:31:53
  Alberta seceded from it could do quite well. Quebec not so much. California
• 1:31:59
  not so much. Like if England seceded from the Union, it would leave
• 1:32:04
  everyone else hanging by a thread. And then they'd go, oh, we're
• 1:32:12
  very sorry. And that's what California maybe being the exception, because California is
• 1:32:19
  huge and has a huge population and has all sorts of natural resources, but
• 1:32:24
  still the fact that it's being run by communists. Give them a year of
• 1:32:31
  not having the kickbacks from the Federation. Just see what happens if if it
• 1:32:38
  has no one to fall back on except the communists running the place, maybe
• 1:32:43
  they'd quickly realize, oh, yeah, all this goddamn communism was a mistake.
• 1:32:48
  And and I'm not and I'm not recommending anything, because God knows,
• 1:32:53
  what our enemies want is for us to break up so that they can they
• 1:33:00
  can jump on in and take advantage of this breakup. But I don't I
• 1:33:04
  don't know what it's going to take for the for these fucking up pretty communists
• 1:33:12
  with ideas way above their station to actually to actually confront the reality, you
• 1:33:20
  know, the the wall between reality and and there and and and their communist
• 1:33:28
  ideology. I don't know what it's going to take for them to actually snap
• 1:33:31
  out of it, but maybe, you know, maybe a year of breakup
• 1:33:39
  like so many couples have. Let's let's see what happens if we have an
• 1:33:41
  open relationship for a year, and then they'll come crawling back to you going,
• 1:33:46
  this was a mistake, I'm so sorry, and then you know,
• 1:33:50
  that's that's where the analogy breaks down, because if that happens in a relationship,
• 1:33:56
  the right thing to do is go, yeah, sorry, fuck you,
• 1:34:00
  I've moved on to someone who's not a master of cont But it's not
• 1:34:03
  the case with the states and countries. If they actually if these if these
• 1:34:11
  communist states can actually learn their lesson and or maybe not, I don't even
• 1:34:15
  know. Do you just have to leave them to become a failed state before
• 1:34:23
  before they actually before they can finally say yes, we were wrong. Because
• 1:34:28
  this is the problem with communists. No matter what happens, they can never
• 1:34:33
  quite say we were wrong. It has to actually break down to a complete
• 1:34:40
  and utter failed state where nobody lives in houses anymore. The whole thing is
• 1:34:45
  just tense on street. And that point at that point. You don't even
• 1:34:51
  have to negotiate how to come back together. You can just wander on in
• 1:34:56
  and go, oh shit, you're all homeless now, I guess we'll do
• 1:35:00
  We'll just we'll just pick this ship up and and you know, possibly hang
• 1:35:08
  Gavin Newsome by the neck, as we always should have done. But uh,
• 1:35:15
  and no one wants it to get to that point. But this is
• 1:35:19
  why people keep talking about civil war. And it doesn't necessarily need to be
• 1:35:25
  a civil war, It just it just needs to be these certain uppity states
• 1:35:30
  learning how wrong they are. We can we can dangle them by that thread
• 1:35:35
  and go, okay, let's see what happens. What happens if you go,
• 1:35:40
  if you go by yourself, and the moment you realize, the very
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  moment you realize that this isn't going to work, will come in and save
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  you, and by god, you had better better fucking do what we say
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  after that. I don't know what it What is it going to take before
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  people admit that we are in the midst of a civil war in the United
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  States? Right now, we have had whole communities on fire, literally on
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  fire, not figuratively, like flames going up the sides of buildings that are
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  multiple stories, people losing their homes and businesses, cops being trapped inside burning
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  buildings with intent to kill them. We have had shots fired, We have
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  veterans of battles in urban areas. What's not to call a war because the
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  government isn't involved, like directly, they're they're just standing on the sidelines,
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  handing rocks to the big kid, to the little kid, throwing rocks at
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  the big kid, and so that that it's not a war, because that's
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  how the United States does war right now. They stand on the sidelines and
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  hand rocks to the little kid to throw out the big kid until the public
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  starts going, look at that big kid beating up on that little kid.
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  You got to step in and do something, and then they do, right.
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  So that's that's where we are right now. We called it a Cold
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  war when it happened between Christeen Russia and up between the Second World and the
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  First World. I'm not sure why we would call it anything else when it
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  happens between the communist states and capitalists states. Yeah, we have civilians that
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  are actually engaging in violent military conflict in the streets. It's not frequent anymore,
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  but it was We've had a lot of you know, you can't even
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  we don't have battle names, and we don't have the historical context that we
• 1:37:58
  usually apply. But I don't know why we wouldn't call this a war.
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  And yeah, we called it a Cold War when the United States and Russia
• 1:38:06
  were posturing at each other across the ocean. But you know what was going
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  on at the same time during during that Cold War, little proxy wars here
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  and there in nations where the American public wouldn't be paying attention to what was
• 1:38:21
  going on. One of those nations was Afghanistan. Out of the Roxy War.
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  Out of that proxy war came al Qaeda. That was the fault of
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  the United States in Russia fighting in Afghanistan. So you look at all the
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  shit that's happened, and that, by the way, came out of World
• 1:38:47
  War Two, which came out of World War One, which ended the way
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  it ended with, the imbalance that it ended with, and the level of
• 1:39:02
  punishment imposed on Germany that it ended with. That that ended up contributing to
• 1:39:08
  World War Two because of the United States involvement. It was already winding down
• 1:39:15
  when we got involved. There wasn't actually a reason why we needed to be
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  involved. So it goes all the way back to World War One. This
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  this notion that are warmongering doesn't doesn't have these types of effects, the terrorism
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  that that we had to deal with, the fighting that we had to deal
• 1:39:43
  with, the conflicts that were not even sure were necessary in the nineties,
• 1:39:48
  in the early two thousands, our presence in Afghanistan, and the fallout of
• 1:39:57
  how Biden executed the the withdrawal from Afghanistan, that all traces back to actually
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  Woodrow Wilson and the US government at that time. You know, and when
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  I look at it, I look at our war history, I see it
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  as very much like the art industry. In other words, it's a giant
• 1:40:21
  money laundering scheme. So, but those are not the wars that developed our
• 1:40:33
  voting history. So at the time that all of this is taking place,
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  right, the vote system in the United States, we had two vote systems.
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  One of them was, you know, if you're voting for politicians,
• 1:40:49
  that would be your mayor, your village council, city council, whatever,
• 1:40:55
  your governor, any position that actually was elected. That was run the same
• 1:41:01
  way it was run in the UK. But when it came time to vote,
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  for what are we going to do about the way that the British government
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  is treating the colonies? That was done with guns, and that was those
• 1:41:17
  mostly men, men voted to become an independent nation and uh, you know,
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  to to not have access to the benefit of a long established government that
• 1:41:31
  could provide military aid and so on, but also to not be oppressed by
• 1:41:39
  that government. And like I said, there's the if you look at American
• 1:41:44
  history, you know, not all of the women were Betsy Ross sitting in
• 1:41:47
  a rocking chair sowing a flag, and she did a lot of other things
• 1:41:51
  like but there were there were more women who acted in support roles where they
• 1:41:59
  were not at risk. Then there were women who acted as spies and who
• 1:42:08
  who actually engaged in military conflict. More more, more women who were nurses,
• 1:42:15
  more women who were prepared to host and feed the militias. And uh.
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  When the Revolutionary War came into effect, like when it, you know,
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  the the first battles that took place at Lexington and Concord happened, then
• 1:42:35
  there was a draft so uh and and of course there wasn't really a way
• 1:42:45
  to guarantee that draftees would be punished for not reporting for duty, so it
• 1:42:55
  was more voluntary than anything. But but there was a draft and in the
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  meantime at the beginning of this revolution, which you know, I have a
• 1:43:08
  little blurb about the conflict as well during this period of time, and you
• 1:43:15
  can see that the time period for this actually goes from seventeen seventy five on
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  forward. Here, No, it's expanding. Instead of dang it, it's
• 1:43:28
  not supposed to do that. Let me drag it and I'm gonna shrink it
• 1:43:31
  down a little bit. Shrink there we go, on through there we go.
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  So you're seeing here it's almost yeah, it's it's quite a stretch here.
• 1:43:50
  The end is actually considered to be seventeen eighty three, so it's almost
• 1:43:56
  but not quite. It's like eight years. But in any case, some
• 1:44:00
  point during that time period, one of my ancestors, my actual Irish ancestor
• 1:44:10
  that I traced back to Ireland, was clunked on the head or taken while
• 1:44:16
  he was drunk at the age of fourteen from his home. While he was
• 1:44:23
  unconscious, woke up at sea on a ship headed to the colonies to fight
• 1:44:30
  against those crazy, upstart American colonists, and when he got here he decided
• 1:44:38
  fuck that jump ship fled inland and settled somewhere in Ohio, and I sort
• 1:44:45
  of dodged the entire war. So and then later on one of his descendants
• 1:44:54
  fought in the Civil War and then was out of his pension by stupid circumstances
• 1:45:04
  and prejudice against people who didn't have enough education to be very literate. But
• 1:45:19
  but there you go. So the American Revolutionary War was the first, I
• 1:45:27
  guess you could say, the first American vote we voted to, you know,
• 1:45:34
  divorce. Britain, skirmishes between the troops and the colonial militiamen had kicked
• 1:45:44
  off a full unarmed conflict. You know. Britain responded by sending troops the
• 1:45:49
  rebels. You know, we're determined going to be independent. We're not going
• 1:45:55
  to be part of of Britain anymore, not part to be part of the
• 1:46:00
  British Empire anymore. France stepped in. France was already you got to remember,
• 1:46:08
  France lost the Seven Years War. So France was but hurt about losing
• 1:46:15
  Canada and kind of went, oh, well, we can get back at
• 1:46:19
  Britain for this. At the same time, the French Enlightenment was and it
• 1:46:29
  I don't see that that actually stayed on the timeline here. It might be
• 1:46:36
  yeah, it's one of the things that didn't save but they oh, no,
• 1:46:41
  there it is, okay. So the French Enlightenment is sort of it's
• 1:46:45
  thought to have the time period of it ended in the middle of the American
• 1:46:48
  Revolutionary War, but a lot of the concepts that were being put into play
• 1:46:59
  by the American revolutionaries trace back to that. The concepts of self governance,
• 1:47:06
  concepts of libertarianism and freedom and you know, being being responsible for one's own
• 1:47:18
  welfare as opposed to having the government micromanage the population all traced back to the
• 1:47:25
  French Enlightenment. So you had a combination of that, you know, not
• 1:47:32
  not happy with the way the Seven Years were turned out, plus sympathy to
• 1:47:39
  the cause, and revolutionaries had been back and forth to France to discuss this
• 1:47:45
  with the French government at the time, so you had like been Franklin arrived
• 1:47:53
  in Paris in December seventeen seventy six as the first official representative of the United
• 1:47:58
  States in France, and they they actually negotiated for France's entry into into the
• 1:48:05
  war on the side of the United States and UH and of course, the
• 1:48:15
  I don't know if the French government would have done that if they knew it
• 1:48:16
  was gonna happen later. But uh, but at that time, you know,
• 1:48:24
  there was was a great deal of sympathy for the cause of the United
• 1:48:28
  States. What happened later, though, the American Revolution actually was quite influential
• 1:48:35
  in emboldening the French revolutionaries to to uh take action against their monarchy, and
• 1:48:49
  that that led to a whole lot of bloodshed. But what they were seeing
• 1:48:54
  was everything that had been under discussion, right, all of the ideas of
• 1:48:59
  the enlighten We're being put into play in in the United States, in this
• 1:49:09
  new new nation, and they worked, you could have a country that way,
• 1:49:15
  and uh, it didn't. It wasn't a disaster, right it was.
• 1:49:19
  It was a fledgling country, but it was a country. And so
• 1:49:25
  they felt that they could do the same. They could they could change their
• 1:49:29
  world. So that's something that again men voted with their swords and their blood.
• 1:49:44
  I'm going to have to call it. As far as an ending,
• 1:49:46
  I wanted to get into post post war changes that took place because I see,
• 1:49:55
  if I can make this more visible here, there's a some several areas
• 1:50:00
  where there's quite a bit of things happening within a few years of each other.
• 1:50:05
  And you'll notice I have quite a lot of stuff here, different things
• 1:50:13
  that changed, and as this is all going on, like you still have
• 1:50:19
  the stuff that I've highlighted before, the French, British and Dutch East India
• 1:50:30
  companies, the disenfranchisement of Irish Catholics was still taking place till about halfway through
• 1:50:39
  the American Revolution. And then as we get forward into things that we'll look
• 1:50:45
  into more next week, you'll notice, you know, I've got things marked
• 1:50:50
  US, Britain, Australia, Canada, because all these things were happening at
• 1:50:55
  once. You know, that's like, this is all within a few years
• 1:51:00
  time. I have if I move this a little bit and shrink it a
• 1:51:08
  little bit, I have almost half century on this page right now. Let's
• 1:51:12
  shrink it down just one more so you can see there's eighteen hundred and eighteen
• 1:51:16
  fifty and there's a whole bunch of changes. Some of them show up kind
• 1:51:19
  of tiny because of that, and that's above. You still have the India
• 1:51:26
  Company, the French East India Company existing at this point in time, and
• 1:51:30
  so did the British there just was no rivalry with the Dutch at that point
• 1:51:35
  because the Dutch East India Company had ended. But we also have here's the
• 1:51:42
  American Revolution and the French Revolution. Shortly thereafter the first British penal country in
• 1:51:47
  Australia, and then all of this happening in France, and then right around
• 1:51:59
  the end of the French Revolution we have the dissolution of the Dutch East India
• 1:52:02
  Company. So there's there's quite a bit that I can get into here,
• 1:52:10
  and you can sort of see because of the proximity of these things to each
• 1:52:15
  other, there is some influence back and forth taking place. And of course
• 1:52:23
  the British government would have been watching as all of these things happened as well
• 1:52:28
  in France and in the United States and would have been influenced. But we'll
• 1:52:34
  get into more of that next week. But yeah, So voting in early
• 1:52:42
  America, like the very beginning during the Revolution, looked like blood. That's
• 1:52:48
  that's the answer to how what what did voting looked like in early America?
• 1:52:54
  But it was, it was, it was almost entirely men's blood. I
• 1:53:00
  am with that. Let's see if I have I do have a rumble rant
• 1:53:06
  Tyler Preston five FY five gave us two dollars and said, chuckles for the
• 1:53:11
  Badgers. Do I have any more super chats? Okay, that was the
• 1:53:15
  last one there. That's not I already read that one, and I already
• 1:53:19
  read all the super chows. So thanks to my two co hosts for listening
• 1:53:26
  to again. Maybe the reason I'm coughing is because of how dry history can
• 1:53:30
  be. I don't know if this is such dry history though. I mean,
• 1:53:32
  blood's pretty wet stuff sticky too. There's no coincidence that these circles are
• 1:53:39
  all blood colored. Well, I guess it is technically a coincidence, but
• 1:53:43
  it's funny anyway. Blood You know, I picked that color because of the
• 1:53:47
  badger, right, But it is This is a history that is written in
• 1:53:53
  blood. The history of suffrage is written in the blood of men. Mm
• 1:53:59
  hmmm. And there is no escaping that. There is no denying it,
• 1:54:03
  and there is no separating it from the obligation to be mindful of the impact
• 1:54:11
  of one's vote on men and actually on women too, because men care about
• 1:54:20
  women and that's an impact on men as well. Yep, Mangaka has an
• 1:54:31
  interesting way of putting it. Men voted with their blood. Women voted with
• 1:54:36
  other people's blood. And that isn't that isn't far off. That's pretty true.
• 1:54:43
  Women. Not only do women vote with other people's blood, but they
• 1:54:47
  vote to spend other people's blood every time they vote to go to war.
• 1:54:53
  Yeah, because at no point in American history have women ever been subject to
• 1:55:03
  selective service. The United States came close to doing that during I want to
• 1:55:13
  say World War Two, but they didn't have to because they were only drafting.
• 1:55:19
  They were only considering it to draft women to be nurses in military hospitals,
• 1:55:25
  and enough women volunteered that they didn't have to because they weren't having to
• 1:55:31
  replace them every every the amount that they were having to replace the men that
• 1:55:36
  got drafted. There weren't hundreds of women working in military hospitals dying like the
• 1:55:45
  men on the front lines. The inflation of currency is downstream from the inflation
• 1:55:54
  of blood and what that's worth. And by that I don't mean blood clots,
• 1:56:00
  although ironically connected at this point in time. I mean the inflation.
• 1:56:08
  This is where the terminology becomes difficult, because the inflation of the cost of
• 1:56:12
  blood means the deflation of the cost of men's lives. Work it out for
• 1:56:15
  yourselves, folks. Well, and you know being connected is what makes it
• 1:56:20
  a clot yep, So there you go. Thanks everybody for listening, Thanks
• 1:56:29
  to my two co hosts for the long and I guess it could this could
• 1:56:33
  be considered a fairly spicy sausage. I guess. I guess we are having
• 1:56:38
  blood sausage for supper tonight. It's not as bad as it sounds, folks.
• 1:56:44
  It's it's just like acrid burned meat. Try yourself a blood sausage today.
• 1:56:49
  Well, the next time we have some have a have a meeting in
• 1:56:53
  the UK, I will try it. I'm all up for it. I
• 1:56:57
  can't possibly be allergic to it because it's meat. So there you go.
• 1:57:01
  But thanks to everybody who works in the background and make HBr talk happen.
• 1:57:05
  Good night, and we will see you next Thursday.