Latest / Upper Hand Fantasy / 2026 Week 7: Josh Jacobs Is Back and Rapid Fire Starts (Upper Hand Fantasy Show)
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- 0:00SPEAKER_01: What's up, guys?
- 0:00SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the first episode of the Upper Hand Fantasy Show.
- 0:05SPEAKER_01: I'm Zach Rosuto.
- 0:06SPEAKER_01: I am back.
- 0:07SPEAKER_01: And I'm here with Faraz.
- 0:09SPEAKER_01: Everybody knows Faraz Sidiki.
- 0:10SPEAKER_01: Dude, you're back.
- 0:11SPEAKER_01: The Parker Washington guy.
- 0:12SPEAKER_01: The Parker Washington guy.
- 0:13SPEAKER_01: I'm here with the Parker Washington guy.
- 0:14SPEAKER_02: I can't believe that you're finally back.
- 0:17SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, that's one thing.
- 0:18SPEAKER_02: The people have been asking for it in our DMs and our comments.
- 0:21SPEAKER_02: Where's Zach?
- 0:22SPEAKER_02: Because we did the podcast together, what, two years ago?
- 0:25SPEAKER_01: It had to have been like two years ago.
- 0:27SPEAKER_02: Something like that.
- 0:27SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a long time ago.
- 0:28SPEAKER_01: I was still in college.
- 0:29SPEAKER_01: This was pre pre-mustache.
- 0:31SPEAKER_01: Pre-mustache, pre-hat, pre pre everything.
- 0:34SPEAKER_01: Pre me, even being an adult.
- 0:36SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
- 0:36SPEAKER_01: Like I was still in school.
- 0:38SPEAKER_01: And so it's it's been a while, and I'm really excited to be back.
- 0:40SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be pretty cool.
- 0:42SPEAKER_02: Guys, I'm gonna let you know right now, Zach is very excited to do this show.
- 0:46SPEAKER_02: As I as am I, obviously, right?
- 0:49SPEAKER_02: Um, but I will say that Zach has been itching to be back on the podcast for a long time.
- 0:54SPEAKER_02: And I personally am so excited that you're back in the pod, dude.
- 0:58SPEAKER_02: Like it's gonna be so much fun.
- 1:00SPEAKER_02: And this this show is really just to kind of like the whole purpose of the show.
- 1:04SPEAKER_02: Obviously, we have our other shows, right?
- 1:05SPEAKER_02: We have our you know, waiver wire show and our matchup show and our trade show, you know, on YouTube and on the podcast and stuff like that.
- 1:11SPEAKER_02: But at the end of the day, like we want something where we can kind of just shoot the shit, right?
- 1:17SPEAKER_02: Be able to talk football, be able to talk fantasy, um, but then also like not have to, you know, set a time limit on ourselves with our short form content and that sort of thing.
- 1:26SPEAKER_02: We wanted a little bit of a uh, you know, a medium where we can just talk and we can talk freely, where we can be humans, also a little, a little nuance too.
- 1:33SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's nuance to all this stuff, and you know, we you know, a lot of that stuff doesn't really come out in the content that we already do.
- 1:40SPEAKER_02: So this is kind of a little bit of a you know different thing.
- 1:43SPEAKER_02: And I I I think I think we're gonna have a lot of fun doing this.
- 1:46SPEAKER_02: So I hope you guys like it.
- 1:47SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's gonna be, you know, a um a little bit of a passion project.
- 1:51SPEAKER_02: We're gonna switch things up as we go and we're gonna see how things go.
- 1:54SPEAKER_02: And you know, we'll try to make it the best show possible.
- 1:57SPEAKER_02: And we would love feedback.
- 1:58SPEAKER_02: Uh, but in general, just anyway, just after that little spiel, we're happy to be back.
- 2:03SPEAKER_02: So let's uh maybe we can talk some football.
- 2:04SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're here.
- 2:05SPEAKER_01: Let's talk some football.
- 2:06SPEAKER_01: And I just uh before we do, I guess I do want to say I saw zero of the messages people asking for me to come back.
- 2:11SPEAKER_01: So I don't know how much people miss me.
- 2:13SPEAKER_01: There might be like a small contingent of the community that's like wondering where I was.
- 2:17SPEAKER_01: You know, I was just behind the scenes and stuff.
- 2:19SPEAKER_01: You don't see my contribution necessarily, you know, it's not me on the camera, but I've been putting a lot into what Faraz has been saying.
- 2:27SPEAKER_01: Um, and like I said, he's been boxed in in that way because we've been doing mainly the short form content and stuff.
- 2:32SPEAKER_01: So you guys send questions, like these nuanced questions.
- 2:35SPEAKER_01: This is kind of how we're gonna address that because we can't get that in a minute and a half, real, like that kind of thing.
- 2:41SPEAKER_01: You guys see Faraz all over the place.
- 2:42SPEAKER_01: Um, him being the Parker Washington guy.
- 2:44SPEAKER_01: I I think that's also something we got to talk about at some point today.
- 2:47SPEAKER_01: Because I don't even know that how that happened.
- 2:49SPEAKER_01: Um, obviously, we were big on Parker Washington, but there's a whole story behind that.
- 2:52SPEAKER_01: And we met Parker Washington, and you've probably seen it if you've seen any of our social channels, but it's just really cool.
- 2:58SPEAKER_02: Um I I do want to quickly say, Zach, before we get into the into everything, and yeah, this is our first episode, we have to mention it.
- 3:04SPEAKER_02: Just so you guys know, Zach is our creative director.
- 3:08SPEAKER_02: Okay, he literally runs all of our content.
- 3:11SPEAKER_02: Like, yes, you see me on on screen, I'm on camera, like you see my face, but it's not just me.
- 3:17SPEAKER_02: We have a whole team, right?
- 3:18SPEAKER_02: Scott, our video lead.
- 3:20SPEAKER_02: Yes, but Zach is kind of the puppet master, if you if you will, behind the scenes, kind of running it all.
- 3:26SPEAKER_02: You know, what content are we posting?
- 3:28SPEAKER_02: When are we posting it?
- 3:29SPEAKER_02: Um, for us, like this is what you need to be doing.
- 3:31SPEAKER_02: Like, he really handles a lot of that stuff, and like the success that we've had this year, uh, you know, and you know, just over the past several years, especially this year, you know, a huge, huge piece of that is the work that Zach is doing.
- 3:45SPEAKER_02: So he's as big of a big a part of upper hand as I am.
- 3:48SPEAKER_02: You just happen to see me on camera.
- 3:50SPEAKER_02: So I just want to preface all this by saying that, and that's why he's on this show, because he is that important to what we're doing.
- 3:56SPEAKER_02: So um, anyway, so I just want to say I appreciate that, bro.
- 3:59SPEAKER_02: And the DMs did come in, by the way.
- 4:00SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of DMs that that that would that to this day.
- 4:03SPEAKER_02: Like that the podcast wasn't to this day, to this day, bro.
- 4:06SPEAKER_02: To this day.
- 4:07SPEAKER_02: That's too funny.
- 4:08SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that a ton, but like I said, none of that happens without your pretty face on camera and your smooth, buttery voice.
- 4:13SPEAKER_01: There's nothing like it.
- 4:14SPEAKER_01: It doesn't happen.
- 4:15SPEAKER_01: None of the success happens if we don't have you at the forefront of it.
- 4:18SPEAKER_01: Like I said, you've been absolutely killing it too.
- 4:20SPEAKER_01: And I love it.
- 4:20SPEAKER_01: I see how much work you put in behind the scenes.
- 4:22SPEAKER_01: So he really does care about getting these things right and nuance.
- 4:25SPEAKER_01: I don't know how many times you've thrown that word at me as we're going through our content.
- 4:28SPEAKER_01: But yeah, speaking of nuance, like let's just get right into it.
- 4:31SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
- 4:32SPEAKER_01: We're talking about week seven coming up.
- 4:34SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we have a game going on tonight, but I kind of want to start right here.
- 4:38SPEAKER_01: A lot of people have Josh Jacobs on their team, and he just got taken off the commissioner's exempt list.
- 4:43SPEAKER_01: So if you have Josh Jacobs, what are you really doing with him?
- 4:46SPEAKER_01: Like we saw Marshawn Lloyd, he flashed a little bit, didn't have a really great game last week because the Packers were throwing it all over the Cowboys.
- 4:54SPEAKER_01: Now they're walking into a game against the Lions and as a highest over under the week.
- 4:58SPEAKER_01: This seems like a good spot for Josh Jacobs.
- 5:00SPEAKER_01: You kind of have to start him if you have him, right?
- 5:02SPEAKER_01: Or am I wrong?
- 5:03SPEAKER_02: You have to start him.
- 5:04SPEAKER_02: And it seems like he's itching to get back, obviously.
- 5:07SPEAKER_02: And you know, the whole situation with the Josh Jacobs, like if you have Josh Jacobs on your team, this week, no matter what, you know what you're doing with him.
- 5:13SPEAKER_02: You're gonna start him.
- 5:14SPEAKER_02: He's gonna be in your lineup regardless.
- 5:16SPEAKER_02: He's you know, high-end RB2 type of play, like if not an RB1.
- 5:20SPEAKER_02: Like normally it coming into the season, he would probably have been ranked as in a top 12 running back, probably, right?
- 5:26SPEAKER_02: So because of the offense that he's on, and you know, he's going to catch passes, he plays a bell cow type of role.
- 5:32SPEAKER_02: Um, so he's gonna be fresh, right, coming into this game.
- 5:35SPEAKER_02: So of course you're gonna start him.
- 5:37SPEAKER_02: Now, I think the real question is what do you do with him for the rest of the season?
- 5:42SPEAKER_02: Like as like a fantasy football asset, quote unquote, right?
- 5:45SPEAKER_02: So, what do you do?
- 5:46SPEAKER_02: Do you trade him?
- 5:47SPEAKER_02: Do you because we don't know what's gonna happen.
- 5:49SPEAKER_02: He came off the commissioner exempt list, and now apparently he's still there's still a potential that he can get suspended.
- 5:56SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the commissioner's exempt list wasn't a punishment.
- 5:59SPEAKER_01: That was just, oh, okay, we understand that this situation is happening, we're recognizing it.
- 6:04SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna play football until we kind of get a feel for what this situation is.
- 6:08SPEAKER_01: They must have found something, or there's some type of technicality where you know he doesn't have to be on the commissioner's commissioner's exempt list anymore.
- 6:15SPEAKER_01: Um, so he's going to obviously play this week.
- 6:17SPEAKER_01: But if he does, like as like you said, a suspension could come down.
- 6:20SPEAKER_01: And then what do you do then if you had him say he comes in for two weeks and he's balling, and then in week 10, they decide that he's gonna be suspended.
- 6:27SPEAKER_01: Like the same thing happened if you remember a couple of years ago.
- 6:30SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm old.
- 6:31SPEAKER_01: This is like a decade ago now, Ezekiel Elliott.
- 6:33SPEAKER_01: That mid-season suspension just came out of nowhere.
- 6:36SPEAKER_01: It's like, what do you do?
- 6:37SPEAKER_01: For me, if I if I have Josh Jacobs, I have to start him, but I totally understand if you want to sell him.
- 6:42SPEAKER_01: Say he has a big game this week, and he can because you know the lines they have, they're not a super awesome matchup, but they do allow the 11th most yards per carry.
- 6:50SPEAKER_01: This is a high-scoring game is going to be divisional rivalry.
- 6:53SPEAKER_01: I think it could absolutely happen that he comes in and just smashes right away.
- 6:57SPEAKER_01: But for right now, like if he does that, you do have to at least consider hey, what do I do with him now?
- 7:02SPEAKER_01: Am I going to have him the rest of the season?
- 7:04SPEAKER_01: Even though he's finally back, it's good to have him.
- 7:07SPEAKER_01: Could I get something a better long-term asset who we know is going to be playing?
- 7:11SPEAKER_01: Like, I would go trade for somebody.
- 7:13SPEAKER_01: Like, like you would love to say, like, oh, go get like a high-end running back.
- 7:17SPEAKER_01: But if you can go and get another running back, like if you could get Chase Brown for him, right?
- 7:22SPEAKER_01: I know obviously he's been underperforming a little bit.
- 7:23SPEAKER_01: Samaj Pirine came in.
- 7:25SPEAKER_01: He looked a little bit, it was a little bit scary there last week, and he was our guy.
- 7:28SPEAKER_01: But um, if you could go get go get somebody that's going to be getting that volume on a good offense in the same way, but doesn't have that hanging over his head, I think you could absolutely make a case for that.
- 7:37SPEAKER_02: I agree.
- 7:37SPEAKER_02: And I it kind of goes both ways.
- 7:39SPEAKER_02: If I was a team that was maybe, you know, one in five, two and four, yeah, and I don't have Josh Jacobs, he might be somebody I go after.
- 7:48SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 7:48SPEAKER_01: No, I got to do it.
- 7:49SPEAKER_02: Because you're already in dire straits.
- 7:51SPEAKER_02: You're already, you need somebody to come save you, right?
- 7:53SPEAKER_02: And Josh Jacobs can be somebody that you take the risk on because he'll be cheap for the relative production that he's gonna give you if he's not suspended, if he's healthy.
- 8:02SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I think it all comes down to is that video gonna come out, right?
- 8:06SPEAKER_02: Is that video gonna be public?
- 8:07SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if that video becomes public, it's over.
- 8:09SPEAKER_02: Like Josh Jacobs is going to be suspended.
- 8:12SPEAKER_02: Um, who knows for how long?
- 8:13SPEAKER_02: He might be, can he he can probably go back on the commissioners exemplist too?
- 8:16SPEAKER_02: Yeah, at least no rule saying that he can't.
- 8:18SPEAKER_02: So it could be it could get pretty bad.
- 8:21SPEAKER_02: Um, if I'm a winning team and I have Josh Jacobs in my life, first of all, like like that's crazy.
- 8:25SPEAKER_02: Like that's now you just added like you know a really legit fantasy asset to your team this week.
- 8:31SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I would be looking to potentially move him because you were just fine without him, right?
- 8:36SPEAKER_02: And he's coming in, yes, he's gonna boost, you know, bolster your team this week.
- 8:39SPEAKER_02: But if he has a solid game, I would try to move him so that you decrease your risk and you just you have an asset that you can potentially flip for someone like Chase Brown, for someone like maybe you add a little bit more, get Jalen Warren, maybe you you know something like that, right?
- 8:53SPEAKER_02: Some some low-end RB1, high-end RB2, Chuba Hubbard, you know, maybe just add something in there and get a legit RB1 the rest of the season, right?
- 9:00SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean Chuba's been really good.
- 9:02SPEAKER_01: I I don't know how many people are gonna be looking to get rid of him, right?
- 9:05SPEAKER_01: Like the where you drafted him, you probably don't want to get rid of him because he's been so good.
- 9:09SPEAKER_01: I know, and you know, what do you think?
- 9:10SPEAKER_02: Like when Brooks comes back, do you think that anybody's worried?
- 9:13SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not worried personally, not anymore.
- 9:16SPEAKER_02: Obviously, you know, I wanted to draft Jonathan Brooks in this offseason, but at this point, Chuba's the way Chuba's playing, and on top of that, like Jonathan Brooks just not being able to stay healthy.
- 9:25SPEAKER_02: It's just for me, it's really, really hard for me to think that when Brooks comes back that he's gonna play any significant type of role.
- 9:32SPEAKER_01: I hate it for Jonathan Brooks that he can't stay healthy because look, we were both of the same mind.
- 9:36SPEAKER_01: Where it's like, if he plays, you're gonna be able to start him and he's gonna be very good.
- 9:40SPEAKER_01: Like he's gonna be the player that we wanted him to be coming out of Texas.
- 9:44SPEAKER_01: But he comes in, he had that injury scare like right before the season, and then he played a little bit and now he's out again.
- 9:50SPEAKER_01: It I just don't know if it's gonna happen for him on this team.
- 9:52SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
- 9:53SPEAKER_01: And maybe a change of scenery happens.
- 9:54SPEAKER_01: He's still very young.
- 9:55SPEAKER_01: Remember, he was what?
- 9:56SPEAKER_01: Was he like 20 years old coming to league?
- 9:58SPEAKER_01: So he's still got his prime ahead of him.
- 10:00SPEAKER_01: There's no question, especially when you have a guy like Kenneth Walker, who's 26.
- 10:04SPEAKER_01: You know, he's looking as good as any running back right now.
- 10:07SPEAKER_01: We could talk forever about him.
- 10:08SPEAKER_01: But with Chuba Hubbard, like I don't, I'm not worried about him at this point with Jonathan Brooks.
- 10:13SPEAKER_01: Uh, even if Jonathan Brooks comes in, it's just the hot hand at this point.
- 10:17SPEAKER_01: You can't turn away from Chuba Hubbard, which is crazy because you look at how he's playing this year compared to last year.
- 10:22SPEAKER_01: He lost his job to Rico Dowdle because he was inefficient.
- 10:24SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 10:25SPEAKER_01: This year he's super efficient, or at least very much more efficient than he was last year.
- 10:30SPEAKER_01: So big difference.
- 10:31SPEAKER_01: And that's why it's like we can some people be honest, like, oh, you hated Chuba Hubbard coming in.
- 10:35SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, it's because we were only working with what we knew.
- 10:38SPEAKER_01: We looked at last year, the Panthers were a super run-heavy team, like that kind of thing changes.
- 10:43SPEAKER_01: They're now throwing the ball a ton.
- 10:44SPEAKER_01: Bryce Young is like leading the league in pass yards.
- 10:46SPEAKER_01: Like it's been fantasy can change overnight.
- 10:49SPEAKER_01: So when that kind of thing happens, we just kind of have to take note, and it's just what we do as part of our job.
- 10:56SPEAKER_01: But anyway, kind of went down a rabbit hole there.
- 10:59SPEAKER_01: The next thing that we want to talk about, A.D.
- 11:01SPEAKER_01: Mitchell is practicing.
- 11:02SPEAKER_01: And Omar Cooper just had that big game last week.
- 11:05SPEAKER_01: I know Jets fan.
- 11:07SPEAKER_01: Very nice to see.
- 11:08SPEAKER_01: That was Omar Cooper's first full game in the NFL.
- 11:11SPEAKER_01: And he comes out, he has a hundred yards and a touchdown.
- 11:13SPEAKER_01: Looks really good doing it.
- 11:15SPEAKER_01: He actually out-targeted Garrett Wilson, which is pretty crazy when you think about it.
- 11:19SPEAKER_01: So if A.D.
- 11:20SPEAKER_01: Mitchell comes back, is he just nuked?
- 11:22SPEAKER_01: Is Omar Cooper just not going to be usable?
- 11:24SPEAKER_01: Would you start him still as like even a desperate start?
- 11:26SPEAKER_01: How are you kind of taking this situation?
- 11:29SPEAKER_02: Like you said, you got a first-round talent in his first game who just went nuts.
- 11:32SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 11:33SPEAKER_02: And if I'm not mistaken, his his one catch in game in the first week was like 40 yards or something like that.
- 11:38SPEAKER_01: So he was blowing up all the efficiency metrics because he was like 33 yards per route.
- 11:43SPEAKER_01: Absolutely insane.
- 11:44SPEAKER_02: Like so, when you see stuff like that, it's really, really hard to you know think that he's gonna come down to earth, right?
- 11:51SPEAKER_02: Now, there are some reasons why that can happen, right?
- 11:54SPEAKER_02: He played inside outside this past game, which is something you really wanted to see because coming in, he was kind of limited to the slot.
- 12:00SPEAKER_02: Right.
- 12:01SPEAKER_02: And on top of that, he didn't have the role.
- 12:03SPEAKER_02: Like he didn't even have the starting slot role, right?
- 12:05SPEAKER_02: So A.D.
- 12:06SPEAKER_02: Mitchell had the outside role playing that X receiver, and he does fit that mold, and they do like him.
- 12:12SPEAKER_02: And Gino had a really good chemistry with him during the season in the offseason.
- 12:16SPEAKER_02: So I do think when A.D.
- 12:17SPEAKER_02: Mitchell's back, he's gonna take that primary outside role.
- 12:19SPEAKER_02: And I do think Omar Cooper is gonna slide back into the slot.
- 12:22SPEAKER_02: Now the question is how much 11 personnel three wide receiver sets are they gonna play?
- 12:26SPEAKER_02: Is Omar Cooper gonna end up being a sub 75%, you know, uh rap participation guy, which would absolutely suck, right?
- 12:34SPEAKER_02: If that was the case, like we're we're we're back into like the Josh Downs, um, you know, Jaden Reed, you know, those slot guys who don't have full-time roles.
- 12:42SPEAKER_02: We know are talented, but don't have full-time roles.
- 12:44SPEAKER_02: Um, I think Omar Cooper Jr.
- 12:46SPEAKER_02: has a higher ceiling than those guys, obviously.
- 12:48SPEAKER_02: Um, but that's the one thing that I'm a little bit worried about.
- 12:51SPEAKER_02: You saw Kenyon Sadiq break out, right?
- 12:54SPEAKER_02: When Mason Taylor got hurt.
- 12:55SPEAKER_02: And then what happened?
- 12:56SPEAKER_02: Mason Taylor came back, and now he's running more routes.
- 12:59SPEAKER_02: That's Kenyon Sadiq.
- 13:00SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what I was gonna say.
- 13:01SPEAKER_01: He just completely RKO'd Kenyon Sadiq.
- 13:03SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's like he's also a first-round talent who broke out.
- 13:06SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 13:07SPEAKER_02: So now are they gonna do the same thing?
- 13:09SPEAKER_02: You know, let's, you know, we always want to assume rational coaching, but we can never assume it.
- 13:14SPEAKER_02: So I think he was definitely the one of the best waiver wire pickups this week.
- 13:17SPEAKER_02: I think Jeremy Bernard was like number one.
- 13:19SPEAKER_02: I think he was a clear number two, and I think you you want him rostered 100%, but at the end of the day, what is role, what is his role gonna look like moving forward?
- 13:28SPEAKER_02: Now, he he popped off.
- 13:30SPEAKER_02: So I think there's a huge ceiling here moving forward.
- 13:32SPEAKER_02: I think Gino's gonna be able to lead this offense.
- 13:34SPEAKER_02: And if Omar Cooper can actually do his thing, we're talking three really good receivers for the Jets.
- 13:41SPEAKER_02: Like this passing offense can really take a step forward.
- 13:43SPEAKER_01: People don't give A.D.
- 13:44SPEAKER_01: Mitchell enough credit either.
- 13:45SPEAKER_01: I agree.
- 13:46SPEAKER_01: I think that he's one of the super underrated receivers, not just for fantasy, but just in general.
- 13:50SPEAKER_01: And he had that whole slide when he was being drafted.
- 13:52SPEAKER_01: He went down in the second round, he was supposed to be first rounder, and then obviously he didn't really catch on with the Colts because they had a bunch of receivers.
- 13:58SPEAKER_01: At that point, they had Michael Pittman, Alec Pierce, Josh Downs, our guy.
- 14:01SPEAKER_01: And my fear for Omar Cooper is that somebody he turns into like a Josh Downs.
- 14:06SPEAKER_01: Because right now, we still love Josh Downs, love him, but we'll talk about him this week, about what's going on with his situation.
- 14:11SPEAKER_01: He's just not getting that chance.
- 14:13SPEAKER_01: But AD Mitchell, 100%.
- 14:14SPEAKER_01: This is a guy that gets a ton of targets every time he's on the field.
- 14:17SPEAKER_01: And you didn't realize it.
- 14:19SPEAKER_01: A lot of people don't realize it because he was so limited to start his career.
- 14:22SPEAKER_01: And he's like, okay, you see it in a small sample size, whatever, it's a small sample.
- 14:26SPEAKER_01: We're not going to give that a whole lot of credit, but he's coming in, he's competing with Garrett Wilson, who's one of the premier target earners.
- 14:32SPEAKER_01: Like, great for him.
- 14:34SPEAKER_01: So, do you think that Omar Cooper is in danger of being like a Josh Downs guy?
- 14:39SPEAKER_02: Um, I think Josh Downs, so from a talent perspective, I think that Omar Cooper definitely has a much higher ceiling, you know, better after the catch.
- 14:46SPEAKER_02: You know, you know, Josh Downs is probably a little bit better of a route runner, that sort of thing.
- 14:50SPEAKER_02: But Omar Cooper has chops to be able to play outside, maybe a little bit more than Josh Downs.
- 14:54SPEAKER_02: Um, the fact that the Jets put him on the outside in this past game, they could have put another receiver on the outside, right?
- 15:00SPEAKER_02: But they put him on the outside, which is exactly what you want to see because now we know that his role can include that if necessary.
- 15:08SPEAKER_02: That's what we want to see.
- 15:09SPEAKER_02: We never saw it with some of these other guys that we talked about.
- 15:12SPEAKER_02: So that's why we were so excited about Josh Downs coming into the year because of the fact that he will primarily he would potentially play on 12 personnel, that sort of thing.
- 15:19SPEAKER_02: But guess what?
- 15:19SPEAKER_02: Keenan Allen had to sign with them, and you know, it it became a mess.
- 15:23SPEAKER_02: But we could talk about that.
- 15:23SPEAKER_02: But at the end of the day, I think Omar Cooper Jr., I think he he can absolutely blow up this year.
- 15:28SPEAKER_02: Just he needs a few things to fall, fall, you know, fall right for him.
- 15:31SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's the case.
- 15:32SPEAKER_01: And speaking of things falling right, everything has fallen right for Aaron Jones, you know, this season.
- 15:38SPEAKER_01: As far as obviously, we don't want Jordan Mason to get hurt, but I mean, the dominoes have fallen and he's turned into this workhorse back over the past four weeks with Jordan Mason out.
- 15:46SPEAKER_01: The Vikings are coming off their bye now, so Jordan Mason's going to be back.
- 15:49SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people have questions, including one of our high-profile followers.
- 15:52SPEAKER_01: I know we've been talking with Anthony Davis a little bit, who just killed it last night, by the way.
- 15:56SPEAKER_01: I know you were talking about that.
- 15:58SPEAKER_01: Um, but he's asking, and a lot of people are wondering like, what do I do with Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason coming back?
- 16:03SPEAKER_01: Are they people that who should we be starting in this situation?
- 16:07SPEAKER_01: Like, for me, I know we went back and forth about this a little bit this week.
- 16:10SPEAKER_01: We were like, I was saying Jordan Mason coming back.
- 16:12SPEAKER_01: He led the backfield and touches and snaps, you know, the first week.
- 16:16SPEAKER_01: But Aaron Jones has been killing it.
- 16:18SPEAKER_01: Do we trust Aaron Jones to keep doing his thing even with Jordan Mason's set to come back?
- 16:21SPEAKER_01: Now, I will say Jordan Mason's practicing.
- 16:24SPEAKER_01: It was a full practice.
- 16:26SPEAKER_01: Uh, he came off IR, he was activated off IR, so his window was open.
- 16:29SPEAKER_01: It's hard to imagine he doesn't come back this week coming off the bye.
- 16:32SPEAKER_01: But how are you treating this situation?
- 16:33SPEAKER_02: I I think it's gonna be a pretty split backfield to just to start.
- 16:37SPEAKER_02: I think Mason seems like he's fully ready to go.
- 16:39SPEAKER_02: Uh, we saw reports that said that, you know, they're gonna give Mason an opportunity to potentially take over the backfield again.
- 16:45SPEAKER_02: That was kind of like quote unquote the plan coming into the season, even though that didn't really play out those first couple of games.
- 16:51SPEAKER_02: Like Aaron Jones was pretty involved.
- 16:53SPEAKER_02: Uh, he started games, he was involved, um, and it was never really Mason's backfield before he got hurt.
- 16:59SPEAKER_02: Um but now at this point, I do think in this first week, it's gonna be a split backfield.
- 17:04SPEAKER_02: Now, luckily, the Colts defense is terrible.
- 17:06SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
- 17:06SPEAKER_02: Luckily, both running backs could potentially eat.
- 17:09SPEAKER_02: So if you were depending on Aaron Jones like as your RB2, I think you can continue to start him this week as a low-end RB2 only because the matchup is really good, even if there is some sort of uh split between the two.
- 17:20SPEAKER_02: Now, moving forward, I do think Jordan Mason has a little bit of a higher ceiling.
- 17:24SPEAKER_02: Um, just because I think that the outside zone scheme that they've moved to this year really fits who he is.
- 17:30SPEAKER_02: And just the zone zone rushing in general, I think Jordan Mason has a much, much higher ceiling here, especially, you know, he's younger.
- 17:37SPEAKER_01: And that's what I was gonna say.
- 17:38SPEAKER_02: I think with Mason, though, like it's interesting.
- 17:40SPEAKER_02: We talk about Aaron Jones like not being able to stay healthy here and there, but like low-key, like Mason hasn't been able to stay too healthy either.
- 17:47SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's a the running back position, players get hurt.
- 17:49SPEAKER_02: Is he injury prone?
- 17:50SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
- 17:51SPEAKER_02: But I'm surprised that Aaron Jones was kind of able to like these four games with Mason out.
- 17:56SPEAKER_02: Like whenever this happens with Aaron Jones, like he gets the opportunity, like, oh my god, here we go.
- 18:02SPEAKER_02: Yeah, workhorse Aaron Jones, and then he gets hurt, and you're like, oh man, I can't even use him.
- 18:05SPEAKER_02: But didn't happen.
- 18:05SPEAKER_02: Like he was able to come through for people.
- 18:07SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 18:07SPEAKER_01: And and that's kind of the way I look at it.
- 18:09SPEAKER_01: It did feel like that.
- 18:10SPEAKER_01: Like you, if you're driving down the highway, you pull off the side, you have to put an old tire on your car.
- 18:14SPEAKER_01: You're like, oh, this one doesn't have a whole lot of tread left.
- 18:16SPEAKER_01: Is it gonna keep going for me?
- 18:18SPEAKER_01: And then you drive down the highway, it's just doing perfectly fine.
- 18:20SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, that's just kind of how it worked out.
- 18:22SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
- 18:23SPEAKER_01: Like you're fine with it as long as nothing happens.
- 18:25SPEAKER_01: Nothing's happened to Aaron Jones.
- 18:27SPEAKER_01: Um, so that that's good for him.
- 18:28SPEAKER_01: They did talk about like a little bit at the beginning.
- 18:31SPEAKER_01: I remember like, okay, are we gonna give him a full-time role?
- 18:33SPEAKER_01: We heard like rumblings.
- 18:34SPEAKER_01: Is he gonna have that full-time roll?
- 18:35SPEAKER_01: But he's literally been the bell cal since Mason went down.
- 18:37SPEAKER_01: I mean, 80% of snaps, 86% of the carries, 60% route participation, 15% target share.
- 18:43SPEAKER_01: Like, these are numbers you can't really argue with.
- 18:45SPEAKER_01: Like, that's the type of utilization that you put into your lineup every single week.
- 18:49SPEAKER_01: You don't even look at the name.
- 18:50SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing with like Jeremy Bernard, where we talked about him.
- 18:53SPEAKER_01: Like, he's literally getting wide receiver two usage.
- 18:55SPEAKER_01: Who cares?
- 18:56SPEAKER_01: Like, if you don't know who he is and he's getting that type of usage, you almost kind of blindly put that in.
- 19:01SPEAKER_01: But yeah, in week one, Mason, he actually outsnapped Aaron Jones.
- 19:05SPEAKER_01: Um, but seeing Aaron Jones play as well as he has, I think it's fair to assume that he is going to get the first crack.
- 19:10SPEAKER_01: And who knows?
- 19:11SPEAKER_01: Maybe they ease Jordan Mason back in.
- 19:13SPEAKER_01: Like you said, is he injury prone?
- 19:15SPEAKER_01: I I think that's a fair conversation to have with him.
- 19:17SPEAKER_01: But the other thing about Jordan Mason is we've kind of been like quietly, not like Parker Washington level, but we've kind of been like pounding the table for like, hey, let's get Jordan Mason some carries.
- 19:26SPEAKER_01: Let's get Jordan Mason a full-time role because in the small samples that we've seen, it's been super efficient, especially yards after contact, that type of player.
- 19:33SPEAKER_01: Um, so and we were big on it when the Vikings actually went and got him in the offseason.
- 19:37SPEAKER_01: So I'm very excited to see what happens with this backfield.
- 19:40SPEAKER_01: I do think Mason's gonna be the guy by the end of the year if he stays healthy.
- 19:43SPEAKER_01: But obviously we can see that's a big if.
- 19:45SPEAKER_02: No, I I do think Mason is also startable this week, like alongside Aaron Jones.
- 19:50SPEAKER_02: Like, is there a little bit of risk with him coming off of IR with not seeing so many touches?
- 19:52SPEAKER_02: Maybe, but the matchup is too good.
- 19:54SPEAKER_02: I think both of them can be started.
- 19:55SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean the the Colts give up the fourth most fantasy points per opportunity, fifth most rushing touchdowns, and they're seventh overall in fantasy points per game allowed to running backs.
- 20:04SPEAKER_01: And the Vikings are favored by a touchdown, they're at home.
- 20:07SPEAKER_01: Like, this could be a game that's just a bunch of run for the running backs.
- 20:11SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be Aaron Jones, it'll be Jordan Mason.
- 20:13SPEAKER_01: And if they need to run the clock out, I feel like the guy to do that would be Jordan Mason.
- 20:17SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna put Aaron Jones at 30-something years old in there and have him be the guy like you've been doing the past couple weeks, which they've been able to do.
- 20:24SPEAKER_01: And it's also really funny, really interesting quirk about this Vikings team, they're 5-0.
- 20:28SPEAKER_01: They haven't had a single goal line carry to running backs yet.
- 20:30SPEAKER_01: So it's like, what's going on there?
- 20:32SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, it feels illegal for them to be 5-0, but this offense is kind of a missing dimension, even though Aaron Jones is getting that volume.
- 20:39SPEAKER_01: Maybe Jordan Mason can help him help him do that.
- 20:42SPEAKER_01: But that brings us to another matchup right here.
- 20:44SPEAKER_01: We mentioned Josh Downs, right?
- 20:46SPEAKER_01: Keenan Allen came back.
- 20:48SPEAKER_01: I love Keenan Allen.
- 20:49SPEAKER_01: Don't get me wrong.
- 20:50SPEAKER_01: I'm sure we've been big on Keenan Allen too, this whole time.
- 20:53SPEAKER_01: Of course.
- 20:53SPEAKER_01: Because everywhere he goes, he gets targets.
- 20:55SPEAKER_01: He was obviously one of our favorites while he was in uh Los Angeles with the Chargers.
- 20:59SPEAKER_01: He was obviously very good with the Bears when he was there on a small sample.
- 21:03SPEAKER_01: And this might be like if you look at the utilization, you look deep into the you know analysis of what he's doing, but he's been just a very good receiver, even if he hasn't been playing a full-time role.
- 21:12SPEAKER_01: He's in that like veteran snap count right now with the Colts, but he's absolutely killing that Colts wide receiver room and our guy Josh Downs.
- 21:19SPEAKER_01: So, like, what is the overall take on that wide receiver room now?
- 21:23SPEAKER_01: Like, are we benching Josh Downs?
- 21:25SPEAKER_01: Are we recommending him for the bench for the first time?
- 21:27SPEAKER_01: I feel like we kind of are.
- 21:29SPEAKER_01: Keenan Allen is like he just nukes everybody.
- 21:31SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like he nuked Ladd McConkey.
- 21:33SPEAKER_02: Yep.
- 21:33SPEAKER_02: He nuked uh Romo Dunze, not mistaken.
- 21:36SPEAKER_02: He did, right?
- 21:36SPEAKER_02: So he and now he's nuking Josh Downs.
- 21:39SPEAKER_02: And and it's like he is like he is like Duke Nukem.
- 21:41SPEAKER_02: Like he is like literally the dude who comes in and just like kills all the receivers that we love.
- 21:46SPEAKER_02: Um so and it is what it is.
- 21:48SPEAKER_02: Yes, like we have to we cannot trust Josh Downs this week.
- 21:51SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's just one of those things where he's already not performing.
- 21:56SPEAKER_02: You don't want to put him in your lineup, and on top of that, it's one of the worst matchups.
- 22:00SPEAKER_02: on paper this week for any wide receiver, particularly, you know, uh, you know, in the slot, right?
- 22:05SPEAKER_02: So not listen, he's is he startable?
- 22:08SPEAKER_02: Sure.
- 22:08SPEAKER_02: Is he gonna pop off one of these games when we least expect it?
- 22:11SPEAKER_02: Yes.
- 22:12SPEAKER_02: Are we gonna take him out of our lineup this week and then he's gonna pop off?
- 22:15SPEAKER_02: Probably.
- 22:16SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 22:16SPEAKER_02: But it's it's like going into the game, it's really, really hard to trust him.
- 22:20SPEAKER_02: Tough matchup.
- 22:21SPEAKER_02: Um and honestly like I had him like relatively low in my rankings last week too um just because like he's pretty hard to trust and Keenan Allen, you know he's what what is he like a 23, 24% target share or something like that.
- 22:33SPEAKER_02: Like he's up there uh in terms of like lead and he's leading the team in targets.
- 22:37SPEAKER_02: He is like literally the guy.
- 22:39SPEAKER_02: And even with Warren out last week, Josh Down still couldn't get it done.
- 22:43SPEAKER_01: I know.
- 22:43SPEAKER_01: Well this is the thing he got the targets but like for me the other thing that's really messing up this whole situation is Daniel Jones looks nothing like he did last year.
- 22:50SPEAKER_01: Yeah man.
- 22:51SPEAKER_01: He's just not playing the same and it's nothing against him but it's this should be like the same system.
- 22:56SPEAKER_01: He should have upgraded weapons Jonathan Taylor's healthy you know you bring in Keenan Allen he can be a go-to guy that kind of thing the interesting for me thing for me with Keenan Allen is he's leading the team in targets but he's running the fewest routes of any of their like top guys.
- 23:09SPEAKER_01: So we're talking like Josh Downs, uh Tyler Warren, Alec Pierce obviously he's been banged up like that kind of thing but he's coming in he was kind of their answer with Alec Pierce being out yeah and he's just come in and been like this super reliable dependable receiver who you're almost like starting every single week now in fantasy.
- 23:25SPEAKER_02: He's a you know decent PPR floor guy.
- 23:27SPEAKER_02: You know if you need a little PPR floor I mean if someone's giving you like you know 10 to 14 points a week you're probably not sitting that guy.
- 23:34SPEAKER_02: He's probably going to be in your lineup no matter what because he gives you that little little floor you know right and that's kind of the way I like to look at it.
- 23:40SPEAKER_01: But yeah I mean it's just really tough for Josh Downs this week.
- 23:42SPEAKER_01: They're facing the Vikings obviously and that's a really tough matchup out of the slot.
- 23:46SPEAKER_01: They're giving up the six most six fewest I should say uh fantasy points per game to wide receivers running out of the slot and over the last four weeks they're the second fewest so it's like really tough they've batten down the hatches there in the slot and Josh Downs like he had eight targets last week is just not getting it done.
- 24:01SPEAKER_01: So he is getting the volume we know he's talented it's just not happening and it's it just sucks.
- 24:06SPEAKER_01: Maybe it'll happen.
- 24:06SPEAKER_01: I I don't think we're ever gonna give up on Josh Downs.
- 24:08SPEAKER_01: Never so he's like Parker Washington before Parker Washington and Parker Washington actually like validated a little bit so like it's nice to see that happen.
- 24:17SPEAKER_01: That makes one yeah yeah okay so next Quinshawn Judkins right he's come back there thinking he could have a chance to play this week he's practicing Dylan Sampson could also play this week he's practicing this Brown's backfield what are we expecting out of it?
- 24:32SPEAKER_01: Because last week it was Jaleel McLaughlin and Audrey Esme we have all these different heads in the backfield with Quinshawn Judkins if he plays is is he a must start because his role his role is pretty good you know at the beginning of the season and he actually led running backs in target rate the qualifying running backs like he was getting targets from Deshaun Watson.
- 24:51SPEAKER_01: That's a role that we've never seen him have before so now if Judkins and Samson come back like how are we treating this backfield especially going against the Titans who are giving up the ninth most rush yards to running backs this season.
- 25:02SPEAKER_02: Dylan Sampson is back.
- 25:04SPEAKER_02: I think he's gonna be getting a lot of those targets now.
- 25:07SPEAKER_02: Like he is like their receiving back for the most part.
- 25:10SPEAKER_02: And we even seen you know uh you know reports about like Dylan Sampson not even being the primary handcuff to Judkins uh because of the fact that like he's gonna keep that role as that receiving type.
- 25:23SPEAKER_02: So that's the unfortunate part about Dylan Sampson's role because I know that he can actually go off because like in his rookie year extremely efficient uh from a fantasy points perspective from a you know yards per route run targets per route run.
- 25:34SPEAKER_01: Same thing last year.
- 25:35SPEAKER_02: I think he was right up there with like Bijan you know some of the best receivers yeah exactly so you know it's one of those things where you know with him coming back I do think that's gonna kind of reduce like the target rate for Quinsha Junkins.
- 25:46SPEAKER_02: I don't think he ever profiled as like this really good receiver to begin with.
- 25:50SPEAKER_02: So I think it's a little skewed dado small sample size and also they just didn't have Samson uh you know to you know Raheem Sanders is there but he's also not that type of guy either um so I think for for Quinsha Judkins now I think his role is actually gonna get a little diminished now with Dylan Sampson back.
- 26:06SPEAKER_02: Hopefully not too much um but I do agree that if he's back this week because the matchup is relatively solid um you could start him but he's more of like a low end RB2 type uh you know at best just because a the Browns offense isn't that great uh B uh Judkins is also like not efficient.
- 26:23SPEAKER_01: No he's never been efficient.
- 26:24SPEAKER_01: I mean if you look at his college profile there might be flashes of him being a little bit efficient.
- 26:28SPEAKER_01: Like we didn't hate him coming out of college.
- 26:30SPEAKER_01: Oh I I didn't love him at all.
- 26:32SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
- 26:33SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you're Did you hate him though?
- 26:34SPEAKER_02: Like I hate him I I I guess I I guess I was very reserved a little bit because I didn't want to say I hated him but like I definitely did not think he deserved to be in the tier of the top backs coming out of that class.
- 26:46SPEAKER_02: Right.
- 26:46SPEAKER_01: Yeah I know what you're saying.
- 26:47SPEAKER_01: But like like here yeah he's never been efficient in the NFL no question about that.
- 26:51SPEAKER_01: And then the thing for me this week might be the one week where you could start this is the Titans we're talking about.
- 26:58SPEAKER_01: For sure this is a game where they truly could be up by a score or two because it's just the nature of the Titans.
- 27:04SPEAKER_01: But we talked about it coming in the season like we don't want to bet on a running back who's on an iffy offense as much as I love Todd Munken you know they just don't have a quarterback yet who's gonna maximize what he wants to do.
- 27:14SPEAKER_01: So the offense is a little bit shaky and then you don't want to rely on a running back who's not getting a lot of targets or that diverse workload.
- 27:20SPEAKER_01: So that's just kind of how we've been treating Quinchon Judkins coming in but he can absolutely be a desperately the fact that the Browns are actually favored in this game that gives you a little hope.
- 27:27SPEAKER_01: Gives you a little hope for sure a little bit yeah and one of the streamers for the week this week we talked about CJ Stroud he's been on a heater and it's we could go on a conversation as well about you know the whole 2023 quarterbacks class the two top two guys him and Bryce Young absolutely balling right now.
- 27:42SPEAKER_01: CJ Stroud is not the issue the defense for the Texans has been a huge issue which a lot of people talk about oh it's year to year is the defense like is it going to continue the same way it was we're talking night and day.
- 27:54SPEAKER_01: Like they were one of the worst matchups in fantasy for any team last year and this year it's just like fantasy gold when you have receivers going against them.
- 28:02SPEAKER_02: And for any skill position player like it didn't matter like for running backs for wide receivers for tight like it didn't matter like they were just stout all the way around you know and I think it's great for fantasy.
- 28:11SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah I love it.
- 28:12SPEAKER_02: Not only is it because obviously you're going up against the Texans you're not afraid anymore of the matchups number one.
- 28:17SPEAKER_02: And number two it forces CJ Stroud to do what he's doing.
- 28:21SPEAKER_02: If I'm not mistaken he only had like if you he only had one down game in terms of yardage and if you look at all the other five games he's averaging more than 300 yards passing.
- 28:30SPEAKER_02: Yeah which is insane.
- 28:31SPEAKER_02: So CJ Stroud is looking way more like his rookie year.
- 28:36SPEAKER_02: I I was really worried after last year like I was after last year I was just like man like this is not looking promising um but he's gonna have Nico Marvin Harrison Jr.
- 28:46SPEAKER_02: ran nine routes last week got four targets in breaking routes CJ Stroud targeting him like that's super interesting to me.
- 28:54SPEAKER_02: If he can actually come through as their Z receiver now because Nico's apparently he's gonna keep playing the X receiver role a lot of Marvin Harrison Jr.'s routes last week was in that flanker Z role that's that that'd be ideal because when he was in Arizona like he was playing the X receiver role you know as Matt Harmon likes to call it the sacrificial X receiver um where he was just like clearing things out for Trevor Bride and for Michael Wilson in in I think in in this scenario like if he's gonna be able to run free a little bit of motion that'll be ideal.
- 29:26SPEAKER_01: A little bit of motion apparently they get a little bit of motion uh apparently tank Dell's coming back yeah this week oh my god I can't believe that it's been forever I mean I had him in his rookie year he was actually very good we we called that one yeah he was good and we called that one you know I mean like we he was coming out and I was like this dude's like five foot four but he's a baller and he ended up so twitchy like the way he runs I hope he comes back and he looks like that it if if there's anybody like you know who it was not supposed to work out in the NFL like it would be him but he ended up doing his thing and just the injury was just so unfortunate.
- 29:59SPEAKER_01: It just irks me every time we talk about that injury because like he was he got injured literally in the middle of the pile as like a lead blocker on a goal line run.
- 30:08SPEAKER_01: Like what are we the dude is 160 pounds I'm 160 pounds for reference like and I I'm not like built 160.
- 30:15SPEAKER_01: I'm just like you know I'm just existing.
- 30:16SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
- 30:17SPEAKER_02: So the fact that they had him as a lead blocker and then he gets injured and it's like it's nuked his career so far start like he's finally coming back like I have major reservations though in terms of like what he's gonna actually look like like I don't think the use utilization is going to be the same I just don't think he's gonna be the same player like at all.
- 30:34SPEAKER_02: And I hate it.
- 30:35SPEAKER_02: I hate it it sucks man and it sucks because like that his injury is probably like the worst not the worst but like it's like in terms of like leg injuries and all that kind of stuff it's probably like the worst injury that could have happened to anybody and like he went through it and it absolutely sucks.
- 30:50SPEAKER_02: But I will say Jalen Knowle though Jalen Knowle like he's actually like so I'm somebody who came in like to when Jalen and Jaden Higgins came out together we talked to them at a senior bowl.
- 31:02SPEAKER_02: Yeah we we both we we were good we we covered them at senior bowl they were amazing they were awesome to talk to uh we we had some great moments with both and especially Jalen Knoll behind the scenes behind the scenes was hilarious um but but but I think Jalen Knowle coming out I think he was always like the more refined player just in general yeah um and you can see it right now like if I'm not mistaken he's like top 10 yards per route run among all wide receivers um he is a very very good wide receiver and it's just you just know that he's gonna go in that Josh Downs Jaden Reed you know we're always gonna go back to this because we need players like him to be full time receivers man like when you have a talented player like that just have him on the field more make him run rounds you see the down the field stuff that he's doing after the catch he can compliment Nico and Marvin Harrison Jr.
- 31:49SPEAKER_02: so so well just run 11 personnel every single play let him be out there exactly that's what I'm saying I mean just especially when you have Jaden Higgins hurt like there's no excuse to not get him on the field.
- 31:58SPEAKER_01: You know I mean obviously you just traded for Marvin Harrison and I kind of I completely get that but when you have talented players again you say we like to assume rational coaching it's not always a game we talked about Mark Ober Jr.
- 32:08SPEAKER_02: like they they allowed him to play on the outside in this game without AD Mitchell like thank god rational coaching cool that that's amazing now Jalen Knowle has the chops to play on the outside yeah but in but hey like oh let's put Xavier Hutchinson on the outside instead you know it's like why okay I get it prototypically you look at Xavier Hutchinson's size that's what you want on the outside sure especially like a run play but can he separate?
- 32:30SPEAKER_02: Exactly like Noel can even on the outside Noel can separate against press man Jalen Hutchinsol is very good.
- 32:35SPEAKER_01: Yeah so I mean it's good to see but the the whole point here is too like you talk about how good Jalen Knowle is look at these weapons that CJ Stroud has now it used to just be Nico like it was Nico Collins and then maybe Dalton Schultz on any given week now suddenly he has all these weapons the way he's playing I mean he's gonna be a great start yeah like I would start him over any of those like middling quarterbacks right now like I think I have him in my top six I'm pretty sure he's he's top ten I I took a look at the rankings I'm not sure if you updated them recently but he's definitely top like he is like he's a great start this week the Giants you know offense is terrible we we saw what Tyler Shog was able to do last week and I think I think you you know if more likely than not you know you're you're probably you probably want to see just Stroud as your starting QB1 this week.
- 33:15SPEAKER_02: Right.
- 33:16SPEAKER_01: And speaking of like good offenses and wide receiver depth you know who has no wide receiver depth?
- 33:21SPEAKER_01: The 49ers.
- 33:23SPEAKER_01: Like we've had this conversation and a lot of people want to pick on Brock Purdy but I don't know how you can pick on Brock Purdy or you could pick on anyone in this 49ers offense when they look as good and they're as efficient as they are and they're trotting out Jacob Cowing and it's going to be Christian Kirk this week.
- 33:39SPEAKER_01: Yeah so like Brock Purdy is a high end quarterback high end fantasy quarterback.
- 33:44SPEAKER_01: Obviously Kyle Shanahan is just a maestro when it comes to calling on offense he's really put them in a good position but what do you do in fantasy when you have literally nobody who's played this season like Jacob Cowing's been in and out of the lineup.
- 33:56SPEAKER_01: Christian Kirk hasn't played all season looks like he's gonna come back this week Mike Evans is dealing with Achilles tendonitis I think is what they're calling it so when you have nobody like are we starting anyone besides George Kittle and Christian McCaffrey here is there like a sneaky play that you're looking at this week I think a sneaky pickup is probably Christian Kirk just because he's gonna be coming back.
- 34:13SPEAKER_02: I think Kyle Shannon can put him in spots to for him to actually do something.
- 34:16SPEAKER_02: I'm less interested in Brandon Cooks at this point of his career.
- 34:20SPEAKER_02: But I think Kirk can actually do something.
- 34:21SPEAKER_02: You know he showed some flashes late last season to kind of give me a little bit of hope that he might have a little bit left in the tank.
- 34:27SPEAKER_02: He had over 100 yards you know multiple catches.
- 34:29SPEAKER_02: So like I think he'll be somebody who they can have they kind of have to rely on right Debo Samuel you know still you know dealing with some injuries and that sort of thing.
- 34:37SPEAKER_02: When he's back like he's obviously going to be someone that that's worth starting uh given all the injuries but at the end of the day like the 49ers still have one of the highest team applied totals for the week that's what I mean.
- 34:48SPEAKER_01: And they're just so good offensively and it's like the complete opposite of what the Cowboys are doing.
- 34:54SPEAKER_01: And so I apologize for injecting the Cowboys in this conversation producers over there smiling too because I said that this was going to happen.
- 35:00SPEAKER_01: But Dallas has all of their weapons they're completely healthy and it's it just shows you the difference between a good play caller and a bad play caller and how much of a difference it makes because when you have George Pickens CD Lamb Jake Ferguson eh we can talk about him but Javante Williams your offensive line is fully healthy and you're playing as bad as the Cowboys are that is an indictment on the coach when you have Kyle Shanahan who is making Jacob Cowing and you know we've seen Demarcus Robinson we've seen vintage Debo Samuel because um Kyle Shanahan he's scheming him up he has one of the highest design target percentages in the league like it shows you the difference and how much of an uh an impact it can have so for me I just think it's crazy that this 49ers are playing as well as they are on offense.
- 35:42SPEAKER_02: We need to find a way to extract some value out of that because outside of George Kittle there's got to be some somebody has catch touchdowns like Brock Purdy's thrown two or three touchdowns away I think they're gonna depend on Christian McCaffrey a lot more you know it's gonna be him it's gonna be a lot of George Kittle uh George Kittle like he's probably gonna get a ton of targets this week um and that that's what you want to see and you know hopefully Christian Kirk can can can give them a little bit something because Brock Purdy you know Brock Purdy's gonna get it done though no matter what yeah and Brock Purdy's gonna figure it out that's just what he does because he's that dude.
- 36:08SPEAKER_01: Yeah people forget how good he is they don't realize how good he is because he misses like that game or two every year and then they're like oh well he's injured.
- 36:14SPEAKER_01: No I mean he missed a lot of games last year but at the end of the day it's like still he was a QB2 in points per game.
- 36:20SPEAKER_01: Exactly like that's literally he was basically Josh Allen and we were drafting him in what?
- 36:24SPEAKER_01: Like the sixth, seventh round?
- 36:26SPEAKER_01: I just said sixth seventh.
- 36:27SPEAKER_02: Okay well we'll just scroll off we're talking about Josh Jacobs?
- 36:29SPEAKER_02: I mean Josh Allen or Brock Purdy no dude Purdy was like a Purdy was going way later than that man he was going way too late he was going like he was going like ninth tenth eleventh round people just don't realize and he was actually going lower than that once the injuries started to pile up a little bit for the people was towards the end of the offseason you know so like massive massive upgrade and I'm so glad that we were able to talk so many people into drafting him this year.
- 36:49SPEAKER_01: Absolutely yeah and and coming off injury like you talk about injuries Bucky Irving came back after an injury filled season last year and suddenly he looks like rookie year Bucky Irving but like plus you know like he he's getting this usage now and obviously he didn't come through last week he had that big game against the Cowboys which we all expected you know you could have seen that one coming a mile away but he's getting this usage career highs last week in snaps carries and routes he didn't have a big game are we interested in like starting him again this week you know they're playing the Panthers and they're number one yards per carry allowed to running backs they allow a ton of fantasy points per game second and fantasy points per opportunity this seems like the stars are aligning here and the Bucks are getting Baker Mayfield back so what do you think of this Bucks offense now?
- 37:31SPEAKER_01: You know, with Bucky Irving getting this type of workload it's super stratified we know who's getting the targets and who's getting the work in the backfield um obviously Sean Tucker was gone last week but Baker Mayfield's coming back are you up on Bucky Irving now?
- 37:43SPEAKER_02: Yeah no for sure I mean the role is undeniable like the fact that he has 85% of snaps, 90% of carries last week with Kenny Gainwell completely healthy yeah coming into the season Todd Bowles was calling these guys you know the 1A, 1B.
- 37:58SPEAKER_02: And there is no one B here.
- 37:59SPEAKER_02: It is literally an RB1 and then everybody else.
- 38:02SPEAKER_02: Yeah Sean Tucker not being uh around last week to me didn't matter because like he was never really getting any meaningful snaps carries it was just literally at the goal line like is he going to come in to spell Bucky?
- 38:14SPEAKER_02: Like that was the only concern.
- 38:16SPEAKER_02: And you know even the week before when Sean Tucker was active uh and got a goal line carrier too Bucky Irving was the primary goal line carrier he got his first goal line carry since 2024.
- 38:27SPEAKER_02: Which is exactly what you want to see.
- 38:29SPEAKER_02: So you know we were I was so down on Bucky coming into this year just because I thought that this is gonna be a split backfield.
- 38:35SPEAKER_02: He looked terrible last year but man was I wrong man like he he looks really good.
- 38:40SPEAKER_02: Obviously a lot of people look good against the Cowboys but I do think that he's capable and there's a reason why he saw all of those snaps and all those touches last week because they trust him and he is their guy.
- 38:51SPEAKER_02: So now with Baker coming back it's gonna be a more functional offense.
- 38:55SPEAKER_02: I think Bucky's gonna be able to take a little bit of the load off of Baker because Baker needs that man yeah Baker before he got injured man like he was just like a walking fumble dude he was he was trying to do way too much way too much man and he doesn't need to be like a savior he doesn't need to be the hero for this team you can just like let's just relax you know let you know dump it down to Bucky a little bit and Bucky's running so many routes 62% route participation last week like that's what I mean where is Buck where is Gainwell?
- 39:22SPEAKER_01: Like he's not even a factor right now Kenneth Gainwell was like top five in receiving yards and it was literally like everybody and their mother knew that he was the receiving back and there were people and I kind of like based on what we saw last season I wouldn't have been surprised if this ended up being like clear roles for all three running backs him gainwell and um Sean Tucker like we we knew like right now guys like we know how good Jalen Warren is right you know who was taking Jalen Warren off the field last year in a significant way it was Kenneth Gainwell.
- 39:53SPEAKER_02: Yeah so you know with that logic you see how good you know he Jalen Warren's playing right now like would is it far fetched to have thought that like he would he would be able to take Bucky Irving off the field a little bit like I don't think so man like you know so because I think Bucky is kind of back to who he was come as coming in because like I was one of the I was like one of the loudest on Bucky Irving as a prospect coming into the NFL like I loved Bucky Irving.
- 40:20SPEAKER_02: Even though he tested terrible he tested terrible didn't matter because he was like one of the most efficient backs yards after content missed tackles force yards per route run all of it targets per route run everything he was just he was just so elusive he was so fun to watch so I I loved him even though he was undersized too right um but I think with Baker coming back now like I'm I'm more bullish on the the backfield with Bucky Irving than I am that passing game.
- 40:42SPEAKER_01: Yeah um because when you know when Baker was on under center like we didn't really see any really big games from uh Igbuka or anybody else so actually Ibuka was one of the most consistently like mediocre receivers exactly not like in a bad way but it's like you don't start a Meka Ibuka and you didn't draft him to get you 11 points a game.
- 41:00SPEAKER_02: Here's the hope though the hope is that he like the the one thing that you can kind of hope for is that maybe Igbuka was actually dealing with that toe injury early on and maybe he wasn't as good and now he's kind of getting those targets and he's able to do a little something something so hopefully when Baker comes back he can kind of find a little bit of that magic that they had early last year in his rookie year.
- 41:19SPEAKER_02: Right.
- 41:20SPEAKER_01: I mean Jalen Daniels gave him 16 targets last week which was awesome like literally if you're a backup quarterback please just throw it to the wide receiver one.
- 41:27SPEAKER_01: Like Tanner McKee it's the same thing with Devontae Smith.
- 41:29SPEAKER_01: Just give him a bunch of targets.
- 41:30SPEAKER_01: Like there's no question about what you have to do.
- 41:32SPEAKER_01: If you're a backup just throw the ball to the best guy on the field and it's not really hard to do that's the hope of Tanner McKee and he gave Godward the targets and he gave Devontae Smith the targets.
- 41:40SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
- 41:40SPEAKER_01: That's all we need man um you know who is probably the best player on the field right now and isn't getting targets Harold Fannon brother was monstrous as a rookie like you need to understand this profile for Harold Fannon was just unbelievable starting from college it was weird because he was coming he wasn't he wasn't power five you know he's coming out it was it was bowling green bowling green yep so we weren't really sure like is this going to translate to the next level but you look at the numbers from his rookie season it's just like we said it this offseason I think I actually sent you a specific text I was like dude have you seen Harold Fannon's numbers unbelievable.
- 42:16SPEAKER_01: Even with Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston coming in very good talents this is a guy that should be getting more targets.
- 42:21SPEAKER_01: He has a 12% target share in the last three games that is fourth.
- 42:25SPEAKER_01: That's behind Jerry Judy insane like what are we doing?
- 42:28SPEAKER_01: No I mean listen I love that Denzel Boston's getting targets.
- 42:32SPEAKER_01: I love that Casey Concepcion is getting targets.
- 42:35SPEAKER_01: Jerry Judy come on he had his time listen I I I liked Jerry Judy he did me a huge solid that game in Denver when he had 200 yards and two touchdowns you know against his former team was that with Jameis a quarterback?
- 42:47SPEAKER_01: Yes it was like very much appreciated thank you so much you saved me that week in fantasy but at this point you got to move out of the way or why is he getting more targets than Harold Fannon over the last couple of years it makes no sense out of luck Harold Fannon is somebody who can you know just get the ball to him in space he can make guys miss after the catch.
- 43:04SPEAKER_02: Such and such a good talent man and and I do agree man I don't even think that Casey Conception Denzel Boston are even getting enough targets to begin with right like they all three of these guys need to be staples in the offense and unfortunately those guys are eating first those rookies are eating first and you know he was the rookie who was eating first last year.
- 43:21SPEAKER_02: And a lot of that was with Shadur Sanders um and you know unfortunately Deshaun Watson just isn't looking his way right now.
- 43:28SPEAKER_02: He is running a lot of routes uh but the target share is hasn't been there.
- 43:31SPEAKER_02: So like for me personally like it's really tough to start him like I might be looking at guys like TJ Hawkinson.
- 43:37SPEAKER_01: Yes you know um you know I might be you know maybe Tyler Higby even this week you know without Devontae Adams like you almost have to it's you know you know these guys are going to get the targets so I it's really hard for me to start fandon this week honestly he's had one catch in each of the past two games and like let's be clear the Browns were doing it right to start the season.
- 43:55SPEAKER_01: He was leading the team in targets.
- 43:57SPEAKER_01: Yeah the first three games 23% target share.
- 43:59SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
- 43:59SPEAKER_01: You know And he had a couple up, he was a little up and down, but he had that one boom game.
- 44:03SPEAKER_01: He came through with a top five finish.
- 44:04SPEAKER_01: But since then it's just been nothing.
- 44:06SPEAKER_01: And the Titans are a really tough matchup for tight ends.
- 44:09SPEAKER_01: And it's funny to say that because like when you have a team that's like the Titans, it's like, are they really that tough when they're one and five?
- 44:14SPEAKER_01: Like you don't know.
- 44:16SPEAKER_01: But as far as fantasy goes, like if you look at the usage that Harold Fan is getting right now, and you pair it up with the matchup that he's walking into, he's being started in 70% of sleeper leagues.
- 44:25SPEAKER_01: Like, I like to think sleeper's pretty on point.
- 44:27SPEAKER_01: You know, with people know what they're doing on sleeper.
- 44:30SPEAKER_01: He's still being started in 70% of leagues.
- 44:33SPEAKER_01: If you have him in your lineup, just check check your lineup.
- 44:36SPEAKER_01: If he's there, like there is merit.
- 44:38SPEAKER_01: I don't think that there's it's not crazy to say we can bench him.
- 44:40SPEAKER_01: I know that the name value feels wrong.
- 44:42SPEAKER_01: You probably drafted him relatively high if you're talking about where you take a tight end.
- 44:46SPEAKER_01: It's okay to bench him because the usage has not been there and the matchup is not good.
- 44:51SPEAKER_01: No one's going to blame you.
- 44:52SPEAKER_01: And if you're kicking yourself for him getting 15 points compared to one, like hopefully that doesn't kill you.
- 44:57SPEAKER_01: I don't think it'll be the end of the world.
- 44:58SPEAKER_01: But this matchup and the utilization is just not matching.
- 45:00SPEAKER_01: It's not a good storm right now for him.
- 45:03SPEAKER_01: Speaking of you know, players who are kind of caught up in storms, that kind of thing, Rashi Rice just can't seem to kick this injury thing.
- 45:11SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
- 45:11SPEAKER_01: And he missed last week.
- 45:13SPEAKER_01: Sounds like he might practice this week.
- 45:15SPEAKER_01: The Chiefs have basically nobody a wide receiver right now.
- 45:18SPEAKER_01: So what are we doing with this situation?
- 45:20SPEAKER_01: Xavier Worthy came through.
- 45:22SPEAKER_01: He got a lot of targets last week, but what are you doing with the Chiefs' wide receivers right now?
- 45:25SPEAKER_02: I I, you know, we talked about selling Xavier Worthy like off of this big off of these two relatively big games for him.
- 45:31SPEAKER_02: Very solid games.
- 45:32SPEAKER_01: Solid games, but for him, huge.
- 45:34SPEAKER_01: The top that's like the top line production for Xavier Worthy.
- 45:37SPEAKER_01: It's like we finally get two weeks.
- 45:38SPEAKER_01: Like, as soon as he looks a little consistent, we're like, get him out of here.
- 45:42SPEAKER_01: Get him out.
- 45:43SPEAKER_02: This is the perfect opportunity.
- 45:44SPEAKER_02: If you drafted, if you drafted him by mistake and you auto-drafted him, you know, because you had to like use the bathroom or something like that, and you came back like, oh shit, I drafted Xavier Worthy.
- 45:53SPEAKER_02: Um, you have your opportunity now to just package him up with another player and just like move on.
- 45:58SPEAKER_02: Because we, you know, when Rashi Rice is back, this offense doesn't have room for multiple wide receivers to eat.
- 46:04SPEAKER_02: They really don't.
- 46:04SPEAKER_02: It's like, you know, it's this is a Kenneth Walker-led offense, period.
- 46:08SPEAKER_02: And this is not Apache Mahomes, you know, powered offense.
- 46:11SPEAKER_02: They're gonna give their targets to Travis Kelsey, and then Rashi Rice is likely gonna be the number one target.
- 46:16SPEAKER_02: Now, Rashi Rice isn't necessarily in the same exact role that he was in last year.
- 46:22SPEAKER_02: There's Eric Bienemis now, the OC.
- 46:24SPEAKER_02: It's a little bit different.
- 46:25SPEAKER_02: Um, and they're really just spamming Kenneth Walker in terms of not only in terms of carries, but in terms of the short area targets where we're just so used to Rashi Rice just PPR scamming us, you know, for this entire time.
- 46:38SPEAKER_02: So Rashi Rice is going to be an auto start when he's back.
- 46:42SPEAKER_02: But I just don't know if I see a situation where he ends up as this like clear every week wide receiver one.
- 46:48SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 46:49SPEAKER_01: I think he's more of a volume-based wide receiver two.
- 46:51SPEAKER_01: That's kind of even though it runs through Kenneth Walker, this is still a good offense.
- 46:55SPEAKER_01: It's just not like the Patrick Mahomes offense is that we're used to seeing over the past decade almost now.
- 47:01SPEAKER_01: It's crazy how actually have a talented running back in the backfield.
- 47:04SPEAKER_01: Hasn't been the case since Patrick Mahomes really got there.
- 47:07SPEAKER_01: I think Kareem Hunt was like the last one.
- 47:09SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so he lasted, I think it was a year, year and a half before he had that whole thing.
- 47:14SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, they would have had a really good running back because Kareem Hunt was like um the man and he was the workhorse there in terms of like you know his usage and his production.
- 47:22SPEAKER_01: And then they just tail spun into this Isaiah Pacheco, exactly Clyde Edwards Ailaire, like Jarek McKinnon was getting it done.
- 47:29SPEAKER_01: Like they haven't had any one guy, and now Kenneth Walker is Damian Williams.
- 47:32SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
- 47:33SPEAKER_01: How many times we mentioned him on waiver wire shows?
- 47:35SPEAKER_01: It's ridiculous.
- 47:36SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I mean, another ambiguous backfield that we kind of talk about, you know, speaking of those, and I need to know what you think of this because I have no idea what to make of this.
- 47:46SPEAKER_01: Historically, when a running back gets drafted as high as Jeremiah Love, they've just been fantastic in their rookie year.
- 47:51SPEAKER_01: And whether it's like Ashton Genty last year, you know, he was drafted super high.
- 47:56SPEAKER_01: He didn't have a huge finish, but he was still top 15 in points per game.
- 48:00SPEAKER_01: We have you talk about your Ezekiel Elliott's, you talk about your Saquon Barkley, you talk about your B.
- 48:03SPEAKER_01: John Robinsons, all these guys that get drafted super high.
- 48:06SPEAKER_01: Jameer Gibbs, even being drafted super high.
- 48:08SPEAKER_01: Like, they've all come through in their rookie year.
- 48:10SPEAKER_01: And Jeremiah Love is dealing with an ankle injury.
- 48:14SPEAKER_01: And is it really an ankle injury?
- 48:16SPEAKER_01: Like, what's going on with Jeremiah Love?
- 48:18SPEAKER_01: Because this whole backfield situation just feels weird.
- 48:21SPEAKER_01: He got really good usage in week three.
- 48:23SPEAKER_01: And then since then, it's just been like a big question mark.
- 48:25SPEAKER_01: And anybody who has them, you're kind of feeling like spurned a little bit.
- 48:29SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
- 48:29SPEAKER_02: And you know, one thing I want to lead with is the fact that Tyler Algier like isn't the clear every down handcuff that we thought he was gonna be.
- 48:38SPEAKER_01: That's even more infuriating.
- 48:39SPEAKER_02: It's so bad.
- 48:40SPEAKER_02: It's like it's like, okay, now we can just like do we just drop Tyler Algier?
- 48:44SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
- 48:44SPEAKER_02: Because that's you were you were we were banking on, you know, him being like the guy, and then all and then and he's and be he was super efficient, inefficient last week, yeah, and then Bam Knight came and like just went off and like had a good game against the Rams, and they ended up winning the game, which is insane.
- 49:00SPEAKER_02: But yes, you know, I think Jeremiah Love, listen, we're six weeks into the season, we're going into week seven right now.
- 49:07SPEAKER_02: I don't think we should panic just yet.
- 49:10SPEAKER_02: I think there is gonna be a time, let's call it last six weeks of the season, where Jeremiah Love is a fantasy RB1.
- 49:19SPEAKER_02: Like, I really think that that's gonna be the case.
- 49:21SPEAKER_02: It's an ankle injury, not the end of the world.
- 49:24SPEAKER_02: I do think that you know they're gonna let it heal, they're gonna do right by him, and he's gonna come in at some point because they want him to be the workhorse.
- 49:30SPEAKER_02: They tried in a week two, he looked great, um, but he just hurt his ankle.
- 49:34SPEAKER_02: So now it's like, okay, well, can we get him to a point where he he's actually getting the snaps and the touches?
- 49:40SPEAKER_02: I think it's definitely gonna happen.
- 49:41SPEAKER_02: So I think we have to be a little patient.
- 49:43SPEAKER_02: I'm actually buying him wherever I can, only because uh, especially on the teams where I'm doing well, I want him on my team to make that late push late in the year because this offense is capable and he can be capable in the receiving game.
- 49:55SPEAKER_02: So I think that he can actually come through at some point.
- 49:57SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
- 49:58SPEAKER_01: Well that's good.
- 49:58SPEAKER_01: Because for me, if you're anything like me, I just feel like it's a really weird saga because he had the ankle thing pop up in the preseason, you know, he looked great, and then now it's this ankle thing again.
- 50:08SPEAKER_01: They wanted to let him get right.
- 50:10SPEAKER_01: Like, is there something going on between him and you know, Michael LaFleur?
- 50:13SPEAKER_01: It just feels so weird to me because like why would you draft like you drafted him third overall when you didn't need a running back, so you went out of your way to get him, and now it's like, oh, we're gonna be like super careful with him.
- 50:24SPEAKER_01: The guy's super young, like he should.
- 50:26SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
- 50:27SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm just an annoyed fantasy owner.
- 50:29SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm sure I'm speaking for a lot of people here.
- 50:31SPEAKER_01: It's like, why is it not happening?
- 50:32SPEAKER_01: You do kind of have to be patient with these things, but you're right.
- 50:35SPEAKER_01: I mean, given the talent and the you know, the situation that he's in, like if they do let him rest and he comes back and he's fully healthy, he could absolutely pop off and be that guy.
- 50:43SPEAKER_01: He's just not going to be that same type of player that rookie running backs have been.
- 50:47SPEAKER_01: He's going against a lot of history, you know, as far as he's actually a big outlier if if you look at how he's producing relative to where he was drafted.
- 50:57SPEAKER_02: I had to get that out for like five minutes.
- 51:00SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I I think with Jeremiah Love, it it's it can be super frustrating because you drafted him, you know, maybe in the third round, fourth round if you were if you got lucky, and you're going through it because he was supposed to be either your RB1 or your R B2.
- 51:13SPEAKER_02: I I I totally understand the frustration here, but I just don't want to get rid of him right now, uh, unless you're you're you're you're losing, right?
- 51:20SPEAKER_02: Like I would not want to depend on him for the next couple weeks.
- 51:23SPEAKER_02: Um, but I would not be surprised that once he's over this ankle injury that he becomes a 70% snap guy.
- 51:30SPEAKER_02: And if that happens, he is going to go off.
- 51:33SPEAKER_02: Period.
- 51:33SPEAKER_02: Um, even with Jameer Gibbs, man, in his rookie year, remember, he like he was sharing the role with David Montgomery.
- 51:38SPEAKER_02: And early on in his rookie year, like he wasn't popping off like that.
- 51:42SPEAKER_02: Like he was efficient, sure, but he actually wasn't like an every week start, if you remember.
- 51:48SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 51:48SPEAKER_02: Like it's there were there were questions like should I even start uh Jameer Gibbs?
- 51:52SPEAKER_02: Not quite to this level, though.
- 51:53SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
- 51:54SPEAKER_02: Like, no, there was a little bit of a floor there.
- 51:56SPEAKER_02: This is a little bit, but like he was getting like seven, eight touches, and eventually it ramped up.
- 52:02SPEAKER_02: Um, so I I because we already saw a sign of Jeremiah Love getting that work in week two, I do think that you know there is a world where they they go back to that once he's healthy.
- 52:10SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
- 52:10SPEAKER_01: And the other Jay Love, Jordan Love, has a great matchup this week.
- 52:14SPEAKER_01: You know, he's playing against the Lions, they're number one in fantasy points per game.
- 52:17SPEAKER_01: Like, this is the best possible matchup that you can have for a quarterback.
- 52:20SPEAKER_01: And if you have Jordan Love, obviously they start the season a little bit slow, but this is literally where you need to start him.
- 52:25SPEAKER_01: There's no way, like Jordan Love, he's right up there with CJ Stroud as one of those players that you could like stream this week because he's been hot lately.
- 52:32SPEAKER_01: Two top eight finishes in the last two weeks.
- 52:34SPEAKER_01: You know, last week obviously, obviously, he got it done against the Cowboys, but he could make it a third in a row.
- 52:39SPEAKER_01: Is he inching closer to being like a top 10 quarterback like rest of the season?
- 52:43SPEAKER_01: Especially the way two players, Christian Watson, who we were big on, and Matthew Golden, man.
- 52:48SPEAKER_01: Like he's absolutely killing us.
- 52:50SPEAKER_01: How are we looking at this offense?
- 52:51SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think Jordan Love is gonna be somebody that we look back on and we say like he's an every week start, no matter what, because the defense is bad and they are leaning on that pass game a ton.
- 53:01SPEAKER_02: Now, with Josh Jacobs coming back now, like do things change a little bit?
- 53:05SPEAKER_02: I don't know because their defense is still gonna be bad.
- 53:09SPEAKER_02: So I think they're still gonna be passing the ball and they're explosive.
- 53:11SPEAKER_02: Like they have two extremely explosive wide receivers who they're gonna take advantage of.
- 53:16SPEAKER_02: Tucker Kraft is getting better.
- 53:17SPEAKER_02: Uh, Tucker Kraft has an amazing matchup this week as well.
- 53:20SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, he needs to be in lineups.
- 53:21SPEAKER_02: I know that he's been up and down.
- 53:22SPEAKER_02: If you're not sure whether to start him right now uh this week, you should because the matchup is amazing.
- 53:26SPEAKER_02: But Jordan Love, like he is this week is you want your quarterback, whoever, whichever quarterback went up against the Lions, like you mentioned, what top eight finishes for all of them it was, or top six finishes.
- 53:37SPEAKER_02: Top six finishes for each one of them.
- 53:38SPEAKER_01: That includes Jacoby Brissett, which is kind of crazy, and your boy Geno Smith.
- 53:43SPEAKER_02: Crazy.
- 53:43SPEAKER_02: So there you go.
- 53:44SPEAKER_02: So that gives you a lot of context on what type of quarterback's gonna actually perform against the Lions.
- 53:48SPEAKER_02: So I'm I'm so super bullish on Jordan Love.
- 53:50SPEAKER_02: Like, if I have to choose between him and CJ Stroud, it's definitely love because of the matchup and also the fact that he's been getting it done.
- 53:55SPEAKER_02: Two top eight finishes the last two weeks.
- 53:57SPEAKER_02: So um, I think Jordan Love must start, must start this week for sure.
- 54:01SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
- 54:01SPEAKER_01: And you know who's a must sit every single, all of them this week?
- 54:06SPEAKER_01: It's the Seahawks running back.
- 54:08SPEAKER_01: I mean, Zach Charbonnet is coming back, but this backfield has just been like toxic.
- 54:12SPEAKER_01: You know, it's crazy.
- 54:13SPEAKER_01: Toxic relationship, yeah, man.
- 54:15SPEAKER_01: It's like that's this Seahawks backfield right now.
- 54:17SPEAKER_01: Because first it first it was Emmanuel Wilson, and then last week they just flipped it.
- 54:20SPEAKER_01: George Helani got a ton of snaps.
- 54:22SPEAKER_01: He actually outsnapped Emmanuel Wilson.
- 54:24SPEAKER_02: Which makes no sense because Wilson was playing well, like he was getting the volume, he was holding up, he was actually doing his thing, and he was involved in the receiving game, and then it just all flipped.
- 54:33SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
- 54:33SPEAKER_01: So it's like it's like I said, a toxic relationship.
- 54:35SPEAKER_01: Like you're taking a girl out on a couple dates, things are going well, and all of a sudden, boom.
- 54:39SPEAKER_01: No, I want to go with George Helani.
- 54:41SPEAKER_01: Put George Helani in the lineup.
- 54:43SPEAKER_01: And now Zach Charbonnet is coming in, Jadarian Price is waiting in the wings.
- 54:47SPEAKER_01: What is this backfield gonna be?
- 54:48SPEAKER_01: We can't start anybody this week.
- 54:50SPEAKER_02: No, we can't.
- 54:50SPEAKER_02: You know, and if Charbonnet, even if Charbonnet is back, like you know, even if he's not back, I still would want to stay away because we just don't know what to expect.
- 54:58SPEAKER_02: Um, and on top of that, the matchup isn't great.
- 55:00SPEAKER_01: It's terrible against the Chiefs.
- 55:01SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they are bottom five in rush yards allowed per game, bottom five in yards per carry, not allowing a whole lot of fantasy points.
- 55:08SPEAKER_01: It's not super bad, but when you have these running backs where they're just flipping it back and forth now, George Helani, I was I was with you.
- 55:14SPEAKER_01: We were out at that creators event, and I said, I showed you, I was like, George Helani just got the goal line carry over Emmanuel Wilson.
- 55:21SPEAKER_01: And we had just recommended Emmanuel Wilson as like a desperate start, and that was just infuriating to me.
- 55:26SPEAKER_01: It's just you can't trust the Seahawks backfield right now, and it's it's it's funny to an extent because it's like they had Kenneth Walker.
- 55:33SPEAKER_01: We know why they had to get rid of Kenneth Walker, but it's gone from so good to like so bad.
- 55:38SPEAKER_02: I just saw a report that like they didn't even try to re sign him.
- 55:41SPEAKER_02: No.
- 55:41SPEAKER_02: I mean instead they were like, we need to get Rasheed Shahid a contract.
- 55:45SPEAKER_01: I get so Rashid Shahid was like the superhero because he had the return kick for a touchdown and the playoffs, like that kind of thing.
- 55:51SPEAKER_01: Great.
- 55:51SPEAKER_01: Well, Kenneth Walker was an MVP.
- 55:54SPEAKER_01: Yes, I know, but I think they looked at him and they were like, you know, we have Charbonnet.
- 55:59SPEAKER_01: Are we gonna bring him back?
- 56:01SPEAKER_01: Like, obviously, Charbonnet was hurt at that point, but it was like pre-running back renaissance.
- 56:05SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like it's where a couple of years ago it was nobody values running backs, now everybody's valuing.
- 56:10SPEAKER_02: Well, it's it's interesting because the two highest paid running backs, like one of them really worked out and the other one really did not work out.
- 56:16SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you talk about contracts this offseason, Travis H.
- 56:18SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 56:19SPEAKER_01: And it's also it's also really funny because Jeremiah Love got a huge contract, right?
- 56:22SPEAKER_01: That's the other thing that throws me off about him because he has like the second most guaranteed money, I think, in the league right now.
- 56:28SPEAKER_01: And it's the same thing.
- 56:29SPEAKER_01: Like him and Travis H.
- 56:30SPEAKER_01: are just not a good look for running backs right now.
- 56:33SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the the Seahawks running backs, the matchup's no good.
- 56:35SPEAKER_01: If you have Emmanuel Wilson or George Helani, I mean, we can't be starting them.
- 56:39SPEAKER_01: There's no way.
- 56:39SPEAKER_01: You want to do like some rapid fire?
- 56:40SPEAKER_01: I'll just throw some names at you?
- 56:41SPEAKER_01: Sure.
- 56:42SPEAKER_01: Okay.
- 56:43SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna do a little bit of rapid fire here now, though.
- 56:46SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of people, you know, we have our short form content that we do.
- 56:50SPEAKER_01: We kind of do that in that format.
- 56:51SPEAKER_01: But in this sense, I think you give a little bit of nuance with each take here.
- 56:54SPEAKER_01: And let's just see, are you s I'm gonna give you some names?
- 56:56SPEAKER_01: You just tell me if you're starting, sitting, or desperate starting.
- 56:59SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can call them sleeper start, whatever you want.
- 57:02SPEAKER_01: But just tell me your general gut feeling with these players.
- 57:05SPEAKER_01: Malik Washington.
- 57:07SPEAKER_01: Desperate start.
- 57:08SPEAKER_01: Desperate start.
- 57:08SPEAKER_01: I think so.
- 57:09SPEAKER_01: For me, he's like punting, or he's he's like kicking a field goal.
- 57:13SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
- 57:14SPEAKER_01: You just take the points.
- 57:15SPEAKER_01: You're not happy about it, but you're okay with it.
- 57:17SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of how I'm treating him.
- 57:18SPEAKER_01: Jalen Warren with Rico Doubtl back.
- 57:21SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's an absolute start.
- 57:22SPEAKER_02: Like, you have to start him.
- 57:23SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't care.
- 57:23SPEAKER_02: Rico Dattle came back last week, took a little bit of the work away, but Jalen Warren's role was still very, very good, and the matchup is so good that I he needs to be in lineups.
- 57:31SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
- 57:32SPEAKER_01: Michael Penix versus the 49ers.
- 57:34SPEAKER_01: No, he's a sit.
- 57:36SPEAKER_01: I can't start him.
- 57:36SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that schematic matchup is not very good, and they're just not projected a whole lot of points.
- 57:40SPEAKER_01: I don't want to trust it again.
- 57:42SPEAKER_01: I like Michael Penix.
- 57:43SPEAKER_01: Last week the matchup was great.
- 57:44SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and again, I can't trust him this.
- 57:45SPEAKER_01: I can't trust him this way.
- 57:46SPEAKER_01: But it was also what the last like eight minutes of that game against the Bears.
- 57:49SPEAKER_01: It's just put up all of his production there.
- 57:51SPEAKER_01: So he does have a floor that he can hit.
- 57:54SPEAKER_01: Wandell Robinson.
- 57:55SPEAKER_01: And I guess we can also loop Carnell Tate in.
- 57:57SPEAKER_02: What are you feeling with the I think Tate is fine?
- 58:00SPEAKER_02: Um, I think the matchup is a little bit tough, only because, you know, on the perimeter, you know, a little bit of a tougher matchup.
- 58:07SPEAKER_02: So Carnell Tate, you know, I think Tate's gonna be just fine in terms of like, you know, him, he's gonna get the targets a couple weeks ago.
- 58:13SPEAKER_02: He didn't get it done.
- 58:14SPEAKER_02: So he's a little bit hard to trust, a little up and down.
- 58:16SPEAKER_02: Reminds me of Calvin Rilly, you know, him being up and down.
- 58:18SPEAKER_02: Remember that a couple years ago?
- 58:19SPEAKER_02: Those two names together, you know, but it's it's super similar in terms of production.
- 58:22SPEAKER_02: I actually like really like Wandell this week.
- 58:24SPEAKER_02: I think he's a true sleeper start, just because um, you know, in terms of like the slot, the slot this week in particular, really, really good matchup for him.
- 58:33SPEAKER_02: So I like Wandale this week to maybe outperform projections.
- 58:37SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think he's somebody that should be in lineups, especially in PPR.
- 58:40SPEAKER_02: Woody Marks.
- 58:42SPEAKER_02: I I want to start him.
- 58:43SPEAKER_02: Like the matchup, it doesn't really matter for me, like the matchup here.
- 58:46SPEAKER_02: I think the matchup in this case is really good against the Giants.
- 58:49SPEAKER_02: Um, but last week he didn't really come through, and the Jamar Jordan ended up getting the touch, the long touchdown.
- 58:54SPEAKER_02: Um, so it kind of it felt like it was a little bit of a split, but it really wasn't.
- 58:59SPEAKER_02: It was he had all the work, you know, all the snaps.
- 59:02SPEAKER_02: Uh rap participation was there.
- 59:04SPEAKER_02: The running back carry sheer was his.
- 59:06SPEAKER_02: Like he was the guy.
- 59:07SPEAKER_02: So with that volume, I think he can come through.
- 59:10unknown: Okay.
- 59:10SPEAKER_02: Trey Tucker.
- 59:11SPEAKER_02: I don't want to start him this week, man.
- 59:13SPEAKER_02: Not even after last week.
- 59:15SPEAKER_02: Last week, two touchdowns, big plays, and we called it, right?
- 59:18SPEAKER_02: Like we said how bad the Bills' offense was, a Bill's defense was in terms of, you know, in the schematic matchup was perfect for Trey Tucker as well.
- 59:25SPEAKER_02: Uh, but this week, man, like the Rams give up the six fewest uh, you know, explosive pass plays in terms of uh percentage.
- 59:31SPEAKER_02: So that's kind of where he makes his money.
- 59:34SPEAKER_02: Um, not a great matchup overall, schematically, either.
- 59:37SPEAKER_02: So it's not really lining up this week the way it lined up last week.
- 59:40SPEAKER_02: So I don't want to just chase the points here.
- 59:41SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 59:42SPEAKER_02: Ollie Gordon.
- 59:43SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think he's a solid RB2 at this point.
- 59:46SPEAKER_02: You know, he's going up against the Jets.
- 59:47SPEAKER_02: Like the matchup isn't terrible.
- 59:48SPEAKER_02: Um, and he's been getting it done.
- 59:50SPEAKER_02: He's been getting it done.
- 59:51SPEAKER_01: I would call it like a mini workhorse role that he's kind of getting.
- 59:53SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
- 59:54SPEAKER_02: And he's you know what?
- 59:54SPEAKER_02: He's getting a lot of the two-minute snaps, he's getting passing downs as well.
- 59:58SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, it's crazy that Devon A Chan couldn't necessarily get it done in those few games.
- 1:00:02SPEAKER_02: But we what that tells me is that he probably would have got it done with a bigger sample size, right?
- 1:00:08SPEAKER_02: You know, which is kind of disappointing.
- 1:00:10SPEAKER_02: Cam Scattaboo.
- 1:00:11SPEAKER_02: I can't start him this week.
- 1:00:13SPEAKER_02: It's really hard.
- 1:00:13SPEAKER_02: Like, I just don't know if he's gonna be completely out of the doghouse.
- 1:00:16SPEAKER_02: Like, I can see a situation where they just start Chylon Tracy again and he gets it done.
- 1:00:20SPEAKER_02: Um, but we just don't know.
- 1:00:21SPEAKER_02: Najee Harris got cut.
- 1:00:22SPEAKER_02: Uh, so how much work does Scattable actually get?
- 1:00:25SPEAKER_02: That's the question.
- 1:00:26SPEAKER_02: I need to see it before I trust him.
- 1:00:27SPEAKER_02: Now, if I'm super desperate and I have nobody else, take your shot.
- 1:00:30SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
- 1:00:31SPEAKER_02: It is what it is.
- 1:00:31SPEAKER_02: He was your RB2 probably before, and now, you know, it's really hard to trust.
- 1:00:35SPEAKER_02: But I I'm if I'm super desperate, I guess I have to, but you're risking another zero.
- 1:00:40SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
- 1:00:40SPEAKER_01: And then Jeremy Bernard.
- 1:00:43SPEAKER_02: He is it's really hard to sit him, man.
- 1:00:45SPEAKER_02: Really hard to sit him.
- 1:00:46SPEAKER_01: I don't even I don't even want to put Jeremy Bernard and sit in the same sentence.
- 1:00:50SPEAKER_02: I know.
- 1:00:50SPEAKER_01: You gotta start him, dude.
- 1:00:51SPEAKER_02: Jeremy, he's a must-start.
- 1:00:52SPEAKER_02: He's a must-start, and like he's the the the the matchup out of the slot this week is pretty good.
- 1:00:57SPEAKER_02: So uh he ran most of his routes out of the slot last week, and Aaron Rodgers just peppered him, man.
- 1:01:01SPEAKER_02: DK Megav got 15 targets last week.
- 1:01:02SPEAKER_02: I know.
- 1:01:03SPEAKER_02: So that's like kind of going under the radar.
- 1:01:05SPEAKER_02: But like, I wouldn't be surprised if Bernard starts to continue to out-target him like he did in some of these other games without Michael Pittman.
- 1:01:11SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
- 1:01:12SPEAKER_01: This is a great matchup, too, against the Saints.
- 1:01:13SPEAKER_01: They're giving up a lot of touchdowns and receiving yards.
- 1:01:15SPEAKER_01: And like, like I said, Aaron Rodgers, he said a lot of good things.
- 1:01:18SPEAKER_01: He's like, when the talent and the consistency come together, like that's exactly what you're looking for.
- 1:01:23SPEAKER_01: Like maturity, I think was one other thing that he said.
- 1:01:25SPEAKER_01: Like, Jeremy Bernard, he seems like he's a veteran right now.
- 1:01:27SPEAKER_02: This is the first time that Aaron Rodgers has ever complimented a rookie receiver in his life.
- 1:01:31SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, like, wasn't he like talking mad shit about like Romeo Dobbs the first season?
- 1:01:36SPEAKER_02: I remember he was like, It wasn't just him, he talks shit about a lot of his.
- 1:01:38SPEAKER_02: Oh, I know.
- 1:01:39SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 1:01:40SPEAKER_01: Like barking orders at him on the field to like get in position.
- 1:01:42SPEAKER_01: It's just crazy.
- 1:01:44SPEAKER_01: Um, here's a sneaky one Michael Mayer.
- 1:01:46SPEAKER_02: I I don't love him this week.
- 1:01:48SPEAKER_02: The matchup is tough.
- 1:01:49SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, last week, you know, he was able to come through alongside Brock Bowers, high rap participation, all that.
- 1:01:54SPEAKER_02: And I think there are gonna be games where both of them produce.
- 1:01:57SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm not gonna say he outproduced Bowers last week, right?
- 1:02:00SPEAKER_02: But I do think they're gonna have those games.
- 1:02:02SPEAKER_02: They play a lot of 12 personnel, they they run a lot of two tight end sets, and that's great.
- 1:02:05SPEAKER_02: I think that that's how they should do it given their lack of wide receiver talent.
- 1:02:08SPEAKER_02: Um, but I don't think I can start him this week.
- 1:02:10SPEAKER_02: The matchup is a little tough for me.
- 1:02:12SPEAKER_01: And then we talked about Xavier Worthy.
- 1:02:13SPEAKER_01: How about Braylon Allen?
- 1:02:15SPEAKER_02: Uh Braylon Allen, like I'm starting him.
- 1:02:16SPEAKER_02: Like, it doesn't seem like Brace Brees Hall didn't practice yesterday.
- 1:02:19SPEAKER_02: He didn't practice yesterday.
- 1:02:19SPEAKER_02: So we'll see what happens today.
- 1:02:20SPEAKER_02: Like, if he ends up coming back, it'll be tough to start Braylon Allen.
- 1:02:23SPEAKER_02: But um I do think he should be started because he is like the bell cow for them.
- 1:02:27SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna start Braylon Allen.
- 1:02:30SPEAKER_02: We'll close it out with Denzel Boston.
- 1:02:32SPEAKER_02: I think this week he bounces back.
- 1:02:34SPEAKER_02: Much, much better matchup this week.
- 1:02:36SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, honestly, like the Titans, they're they were they're really tough against tight ends.
- 1:02:41SPEAKER_02: We just talked about that, but like against wide receivers, like they're they're pretty, you know, they're pretty they do let up.
- 1:02:46SPEAKER_02: So Denzel Boston, I think, bounces back this week.
- 1:02:49SPEAKER_02: Um, in terms of like perimeter usage, the Titans are you know in the top half in terms of allowing fantasy points.
- 1:02:54SPEAKER_02: So I think he he bounces back in a big big way this week.
- 1:02:56SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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