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More Vikings Free Agency, NCAA Bracket Challenge, New Wood Art | TSH Ep. 131 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of The Skull Hob. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We're
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  Speaker 1: just a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking
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  Speaker 1: beer and talking about the Viking. Yeah we do.
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  Speaker 2: And Evan, we we have a new and really exciting
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  Speaker 2: addition to the Skull Mandcenter.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't be more excited for it. I'm super pumped
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  Speaker 1: to reveal it. I'm also pretty pumped about the beer
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  Speaker 1: we tried tonight. It's one we've had before, but it's
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  Speaker 1: just solid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a while since we've had it, but
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  Speaker 2: it's super good.
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Another thing I'm excited for is to see who's doing
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  Speaker 2: better on our one on one matchup in our March
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  Speaker 2: Madness malort bet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course we had to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: Vikings a few more free agency updates recently. It's quieting
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  Speaker 1: down a little bit, but still some good stuff to
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  Speaker 1: talk about for the Viking.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we'll never not be talking about the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: position too. But if that all sounds interesting, go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and keep joining us for episode one thirty.
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  Speaker 1: One of The Skull Hob School.
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  Speaker 1: My goodness.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just you know what it is. I'm really excited, Evan,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really excited to show off something pretty big.
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  Speaker 1: Should we do it? Let's do it the grand reveal.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, you got to get the red tape off
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  Speaker 1: there merely for prop purposes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so we have just if you're only listening
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  Speaker 2: And you really should check us out on YouTube or
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  Speaker 2: Spotify or really anywhere that you can see us, because
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  Speaker 2: now we have finally revealed something we've been talking about
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  Speaker 2: for months now, our own that's bad wood art piece.
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  Speaker 2: It's a giant piece. I think we went with like
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  Speaker 2: their extra large custom size and it took quite a while,
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  Speaker 2: but it was time well spent. You can tell that
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  Speaker 2: Luis put a lot of care, blood, sweat and tears
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  Speaker 2: into this thing, and it looks fantastic. I couldn't be
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  Speaker 2: more happy, Evan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the attention to detail is outstanding. Pretty much everything
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  Speaker 1: about our logo that we put on, pretty much everything
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  Speaker 1: is It's perfect. It looks great, and I like how
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  Speaker 1: the border kind of accentuates everything. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: looking at it on camera too, it really just makes
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  Speaker 1: it pop out. And I love the wood grain with
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  Speaker 1: the purple stain. Yeah think that. Like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: just everything all together, it looks awesome. It's everything that
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  Speaker 1: I hoped it would be and more and it looks
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  Speaker 1: pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: I really feel like too. I guess I don't know
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  Speaker 2: their whole process, but I feel like the color on
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  Speaker 2: the wood is more stained than paint. Yeah, because you can.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you can still tell it's a beautiful piece
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  Speaker 2: of wood art. It's not just they cut out some
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  Speaker 2: crappy pieces of wood and really covered it up with
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  Speaker 2: paint and varnish and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Like it is. It's well done.
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  Speaker 2: I really like it, and it's something I'll be proud
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  Speaker 2: to show off for years to come. Maybe I'll even
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  Speaker 2: need to reach out full disclosure skull Man Center. It's
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  Speaker 2: in your basement. Maybe i'all need to reach out and
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  Speaker 2: see if we can get a copy piece made so
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  Speaker 2: that I can put it in my basement. I think
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  Speaker 2: the wife would be totally okay with that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm on board with it if she is, that
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  Speaker 1: sounds great. Well. Anyways, thank you to Luis at that
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  Speaker 1: Badass what Art. He even sent us some stickers, which
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  Speaker 1: is really nice. I do like how they're a little
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  Speaker 1: reminiscent of bass pro shops. Yeah, but we'll have to
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  Speaker 1: find a cool spot to put those stickers as well.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, if you're interested in any of the pieces
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  Speaker 2: that the designs he's already got up on his website,
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  Speaker 2: or even like us a custom piece of anything you
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  Speaker 2: percent off any and all orders. And I couldn't I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't be more happy with it right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm pumped. It's awesome. We can probably just
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  Speaker 1: sit here and look at it. Yeah, which, just look
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  Speaker 1: at it, look at it the rest of the night.
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  Speaker 1: But we've got other business to attend to.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We started our bracket challenge we did last week. I
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  Speaker 1: kind of peer pressured you into that, and so I
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  Speaker 1: figured we could take a little look here. I gotta
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  Speaker 1: get my uh my screen recording set up here, but yeah, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Look while you do that, Evan, we have made a critical.
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  Speaker 1: Error, oh boy.
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  Speaker 2: And it's kind of upsetting. Not upsetting, but it's concerning
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  Speaker 2: that you haven't noticed this error quite yet. You're looking
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  Speaker 2: at me and you're trying to figure out if this
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  Speaker 2: error is Evan.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we need some beer.
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  Speaker 2: Our glasses are empty.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't and we didn't have any beer last week,
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  Speaker 1: so that's true.
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  Speaker 2: We had a dry episode last week, which was perfectly fine. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, we had some some life stuff happening
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  Speaker 2: just logistically, and you know it's always fine to take
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  Speaker 2: a week off of any any alcoholic beverages.
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  Speaker 1: But we're back, baby, we are back. We're drinking Big
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  Speaker 1: Grove Citrus Surfer. Have we had this one on the show?
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  Speaker 2: I really I think we have and I feel like
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  Speaker 2: we have. You know what you can you can double
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  Speaker 2: check me here maybe if you can pull up the
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  Speaker 2: list of episodes. As I'm talking, I was recently on
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  Speaker 2: another podcast, the former Manstream podcast. They're currently the Bare
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  Speaker 2: Minimum Show, And on that show, they had brought a
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  Speaker 2: couple of Iowa beers and we ended up drinking a
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  Speaker 2: Citrus Surfer, and I brought up that I really thought
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  Speaker 2: we had had it on the show, and I looked
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  Speaker 2: it up. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's episode Skollhop,
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  Speaker 2: episode ninety four.
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  Speaker 1: You're close, oh, ninety two, ninety two.
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  Speaker 2: So if you go back all the way currently you're
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  Speaker 2: listening to episode one thirty one. So if you go
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  Speaker 2: back over one hundred and forty episodes, or right about
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and forty episodes, no forty episodes?
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  Speaker 1: What am I doing? Not that many?
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  Speaker 2: To episode ninety two, you will hear our first official
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on the Big Grove Citrus Surfer, but I can't
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  Speaker 2: wait to try it again. Evan, you've had this one
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  Speaker 2: obviously before. Yeah, do you think you've had it since
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  Speaker 2: we had it on episode ninety two?
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  Speaker 1: I may have. I think my brother in law Jason
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  Speaker 1: really likes this beer, and he's brought it to a
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  Speaker 1: few family functions.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, Evan, I'm kind of concerned. You're you're My
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  Speaker 2: poor wasn't very good. Well, I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: the poor. Hopefully it's not the beer, but we'll try mine.
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  Speaker 2: Mine already dissipated quite a bit.
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  Speaker 1: And it flattened out here we go school school. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: a good citrusy beer. It's pretty low alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, four or something four point eight, so
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  Speaker 2: it's it's really high on the lawnmower rating. You could
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  Speaker 2: have quite a few of these, either on or after
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  Speaker 2: the lawnmower. Careful if it's a riding lawnmower.
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  Speaker 1: Four point eight.
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  Speaker 2: These are the pounders, the sixteen ouncers. Uh so the
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  Speaker 2: four packing getting sixteen ouncers. I think they make them
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  Speaker 2: in twelve ounce six packs as well.
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, this one is kind of there it's a
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  Speaker 2: citrus wheat ale excuse citrusweet al. It's kind of Big Groves.
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  Speaker 1: Blue Moon Blue Moon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's obviously it's not just a straight up
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  Speaker 2: copycat of a blue Moon. Blue Moon is pretty unique.
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  Speaker 2: It's hopefully if you ever have one, you should know like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's blue Moon. It's really good beer. But
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  Speaker 2: Big Grove they just put maybe a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: love and care into their beers because there's a smaller
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  Speaker 2: operation than Sam Adams. Not Sam Adams who makes Blue Moon?
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  Speaker 1: Is it just BlueMoon? I think I think Cores owns
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  Speaker 1: Moon Now.
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  Speaker 2: A good company, but Big Grove they can afford to
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  Speaker 2: put a little bit more care and effort. So sit
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  Speaker 2: A Surfer I like it a lot. It's always one
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  Speaker 2: that I will be happy if somebody hands me a
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  Speaker 2: SITR Surfer.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a little bit of a lemon to it,
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  Speaker 1: not a ton, and it's not like a summer shandy
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  Speaker 1: where it's like lemonade. It's just there's like a splash
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  Speaker 1: of lemon in there, which is good. And what else
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  Speaker 1: does it say on the can? Blood orange? Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: that's probably where you're getting the blue Moon vibes. A
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  Speaker 1: little bit is the blood orange. But yeah, all in all,
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  Speaker 1: super good beer. I like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thank you Big Growth for Bruins.
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  Speaker 1: Such a great beer.
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  Speaker 2: And thank you to Evan's wife, who I believe picked
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  Speaker 2: this one up from. She did one of our favorite
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  Speaker 2: heavy locations she did.
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  Speaker 1: She actually surprised me. I was like, oh, we'll have
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  Speaker 1: that on the podcast. Nice. All right, now we can
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  Speaker 1: officially get down a bit. There we go. We have
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  Speaker 1: the beer, We've got the wood art. All is good
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  Speaker 1: in the world, except for your bracket. Your bracket's not doing.
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  Speaker 1: It's not too bad, Evan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm definitely not purposely tanking my bracket just so that
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  Speaker 2: I have to take a sh autumn alure. I would
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  Speaker 2: totally not do that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, you can see we're gonna put this
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  Speaker 1: up on the screen.
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  Speaker 3: Here.
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  Speaker 1: You can see my bracket is titled ever Loyal. I
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  Speaker 1: took that from the University of Northern iowas fight song,
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  Speaker 1: and those words still ring true even though they lost,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm still ever loyal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they lost.
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  Speaker 1: It was bad.
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  Speaker 2: It was was it Saint Thomas or Saint John's?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Johnny's Ricko.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was a.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't watch that game.
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  Speaker 2: Much of that game, I was watching the Iowa game,
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  Speaker 2: but I did turn on you know, I pulled up
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  Speaker 2: the score after just a few minutes and it was
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  Speaker 2: something like fifteen to two.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we got off to a really
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  Speaker 1: bad start. It was not pretty. I was frustrated. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to no end at the beginning of that game. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: my bracket, ever loyal, I did have you and I
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  Speaker 1: in my bracket beating Kansas to go to the sweet sixteen, which.
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  Speaker 2: Kansas did lose, which got me a little bit of vindication,
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  Speaker 2: but I was still very upset that you and I lost.
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  Speaker 1: I think if they could go back and redo a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, they would and they'd play a lot differently.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, I picked North Carolina to be my national champion.
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  Speaker 1: They're out. They were out quickly at first round, right,
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  Speaker 1: yep to VC. You whoever they are, Yeah, Virginia Commonwealth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I think I asked you that as I was
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  Speaker 2: putting my bracket together.
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  Speaker 1: And they VCU ended up losing in the second round,
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  Speaker 1: so they're out. But anyways, you picked Michigan as your
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  Speaker 1: national champion. I did. But if you're looking at the
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  Speaker 1: screen right now, you can see I've got more points
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  Speaker 1: than you.
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  Speaker 2: So far, but I have more potential points.
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  Speaker 1: You have more potential points. Yep, You've got twelve hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eighty points left. I only have onenty twenty. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: neither excuse me, neither of us are performing great at
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  Speaker 1: this moment. But you know what, that's okay? Are you
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  Speaker 1: looking at your bracket?
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  Speaker 2: I have my bracket pulled up?
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  Speaker 1: So who's in your final Let's just remind the viewers
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  Speaker 1: who your final four is?
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  Speaker 2: All right, my final four, if I can read this right,
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  Speaker 2: looks like it.
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  Speaker 1: Should be right. Go down to where it says Michigan
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  Speaker 1: in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: The final four looks like Louisville and Iowa and then
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  Speaker 2: Michigan and Perdue. So yeah, and I ultimately have Michigan
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  Speaker 2: and Louisville in the National Championship, with Michigan winning and
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  Speaker 2: a total score of one hundred and thirty five points
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  Speaker 2: in that National Championship game. So I've got Iowa in
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  Speaker 2: the final four, which I mean, logistically is not that
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  Speaker 2: far fetched. They just need to win what two more
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  Speaker 2: games to get there. They're in the sweet sixteen after
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  Speaker 2: beating Florida in a pretty exciting game Iowa had the
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  Speaker 2: lead for most of the game, and if they weren't leading,
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  Speaker 2: they were only down by a point or two. And
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  Speaker 2: then at the last second, literally in the last ten seconds,
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  Speaker 2: they went from down seventy to seventy two to hitting
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  Speaker 2: a three full Garris I think is his name, he
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  Speaker 2: took you know, they inbounded it, made one pass and
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  Speaker 2: then another wonderful Garrison who made a wide open three
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  Speaker 2: to pretty much ice the game with like four and
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  Speaker 2: a half seconds left. Don't get me wrong, guys, that
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  Speaker 2: is the second Iowa basketball game I've watched at all,
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  Speaker 2: not even full of the way, like at all, within
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  Speaker 2: at least the last five years. That includes men's and women.
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  Speaker 2: So I will not pretend to be a diehard basketball
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  Speaker 2: fan or Iowa fan, specially basketball, but it is pretty
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  Speaker 2: exciting when my favorite college of choice, even over northern Iowa,
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  Speaker 2: has had such success. I'll probably end up watching all
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  Speaker 2: of the Iowa Nebraska game unless it turns south real quick.
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  Speaker 2: Then I'll probably find other things to do. But for me,
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  Speaker 2: it is pretty exciting, pretty exciting, and I have no
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  Speaker 2: problem saying that I'm a bandwagon fair weather Iowa basketball fan.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty fun, right now.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got three of your final four teams still
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  Speaker 1: in it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, correct, Yeah, I think that's where you're going before
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  Speaker 2: I went on that whole tangent.
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  Speaker 1: No, and that's all right. Yeah, So I'm in the
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  Speaker 1: same spot. I've got Arizona and Michigan on one side
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  Speaker 1: of my bracket. They're both still alive, and then I
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  Speaker 1: had North Carolina and Duke on the other side. Duke
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  Speaker 1: is still alive, North Carolina's out. So we're all sitting
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  Speaker 1: at three of four. Seventy five percent of our final
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  Speaker 1: four teams are still in it.
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  Speaker 2: So I think the kicker for me is the team
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  Speaker 2: that I picked to win it all is still technically
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  Speaker 2: in it, right then? That would give me the most points, yes, yep.
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  Speaker 1: And then I had North Carolina, of course, but I
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  Speaker 1: think I had Arizona playing them. I don't remember who
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  Speaker 1: I picked, and it doesn't let me see that on here.
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  Speaker 1: But AnyWho, that is the update for our bracket challenge.
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  Speaker 1: So you're trending towards having to take a shot of
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  Speaker 1: a lord.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, that would be so terrible, Evan.
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  Speaker 1: But by the time of our next recording next week
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  Speaker 1: on Monday, we'll be through the Sweet sixteen and the
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  Speaker 1: Elite eight, so we will know who's in the final four,
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  Speaker 1: and that'll give us a clearer picture of who's probably
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  Speaker 1: gonna win this bracket challenge.
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  Speaker 2: Will is there a way for us to fully know
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  Speaker 2: who wins our bracket challenge by then?
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  Speaker 1: Like? No, because well, I mean we could have a like,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't know why I'm stumbling over my words.
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  Speaker 1: It would be pretty It could be pretty clear and obvious. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: But like it's that old quote, you gotta gotta play
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  Speaker 1: the game, all right, right, So I mean theoretically I
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  Speaker 1: could end up with zero points, and you could end
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  Speaker 1: up with like zero remaining points and you still have
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  Speaker 1: fifty remaining points or whatever, so it's clear that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to win. But yeah, I mean, it won't be
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  Speaker 1: fine until the national championship. Well I'm excited.
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  Speaker 2: This is pretty fun having a one on one matchup
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  Speaker 2: in this uh you know, March Madness Challenge here with
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit of skin in the game with
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  Speaker 2: a milert shot. And I joke, I actually I just
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  Speaker 2: like I had to admit many episodes ago that I
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: actually do like sour beers. I think I can easily
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: say now I can enjoy one shot of malort. I'm
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: not one that's gonna be sipping on a bottle of
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: malort all night by any means, but one I can
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  Speaker 2: do one, I can I can enjoy one, can do
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  Speaker 2: one bottle, one shot. And if you said, hey, I
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: made this really cool mixed drink and the featured alcoholism alert,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not immediately gonna say no.
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  Speaker 1: What cocktail could you make? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe our listeners can tell us a recipe of something
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  Speaker 2: that features my alert that actually tastes it.
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  Speaker 1: Dandelion flower salad drink. That's what I would call it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well maybe you just invented it, so we'll
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: work on that.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Well, let's uh, let's talk Vikings for a little bit.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Got a few more talking points, not a ton. This
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: last week wasn't as busy, I feel like as the
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: previous few weeks have been. But we're heating up towards
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the draft too. I think we're a month away.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: He has one month away, maybe just in actual number
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: of days, one month away from from today, So yeah,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: we're not far at all. It'll be pretty exciting. The
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Vikings have a lot of options they can do, and
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting because they still technically don't have
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: a full fledged GM, so we'll see how this draft goes.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Rob Brazinski's the GM. He I mean, there's no reason
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: why he won't be the GM.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I think it was Brevin Baine on Twitter that said
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: something like, all right, guys, I'm coining it now. We're
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: gonna call Rob the brisness. Given him the brisness.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: So I thought that was it's pretty good. That's pretty great.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: But hopefully we give him the brisness in the draft.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: And hopefully that's not another meme. Hopefully, hopefully it's not
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: the J McCarthy the nine meme or all the funny
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: memes that have come out about Kyler mur Kyler.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Murray, you know, being a little kid then the minis.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard that one. That's funny. Ohne was all
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: over last week. I don't know how you avoided not
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I think I I just, yeah, must have just taken
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: a few days off of embracing the meanness there. But yeah,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the brisness. Maybe we can unleash the
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: brisness on the league during this draft.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: But how do you spell brisness?
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: B I Z let me see if I can find
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Revins tweet the Briskness because it was pretty funny. It's
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: gonna take me in it. We should we should maybe
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: move on until I'm able to actually find it.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I'll just sit here and drink beer till you find it.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: All right, Uh, how do you spell Rob Brazinski br
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: z something b r z e z I n s
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: k I.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: He's got two z's in his name. Yeah, that's wild,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that's got to be, you know.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I I actually in my phone went to the the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: keyboard and just did a word replace with br z
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: to have it spell out Brazinski's name correctly. All Right,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I found the tweet. I'm just gonna retweet it now.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: He spells it the Brizzness, the b r Z n
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: E s s so all right as you.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Would the brize expect.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he said, I don't know how no one
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: has said this yet, but I'm a officially planning the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: flag on calling Rob Brazinski the Brizness. So maybe we've
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: totally killed it here in the last minute and a half,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: but I still think it's funny. Not a ton of
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: vikings news, like you said. Since we recorded last I
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: can't really remember if Johnny Hecker.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: No, I think he was a new signing since we recorded.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he If you don't know Johnny Hecker, he's
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a long decorated NFL punter. He has earned All pros
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: in his career. Apparently he is a fantastic field goal holder,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: which is very important when you have an All Pro
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: kicker who has only ever had one holder in the NFL,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: and then you know Will Reiker, the kicker loses that
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: holder in Ryan Wright, who got a pretty good punter
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: contract with with New Orleans. So yeah, Johnny Hecker comes in,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and I mean, I don't know much about him other
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: than he has been a decorated punter in his career.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know recently how he's been. I don't know
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: if this is good or bad. We'll see. I guess
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: he can never go wrong with someone who has had
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: success at that position.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he was the league leader in punts and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: punt yards and yards per punt back in twenty fifteen.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: He led the league in punt yards in twenty sixteen,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and he was either a Pro bowler or got votes
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: in the AP pole for what like six straight years
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: from twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen, so he's definitely on
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the older end of players in the NFL. But if
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you're a punter, you come out for one play every
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: once in a while. It's not like you're the quarterback,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you know, taking hits play after player the running back.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So the longevity's good there, yeah, and exciting that will
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: have a solid presence back there. And punchers can change
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the complexion of the game in good ways and bad ways.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: It seems like he only really ever does good things
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: for the teams that he plays for.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and I'm not sure I'm pulling up his
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: his contract right now. It looks like, if this is
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to be believed, his contract is for one point four
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: million dollars with one point six signing bonus, sorry, one
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty thousand signing bonus, and then a total
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: guarantee of almost one point two So I was gonna
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: pull up his contract and say, like, ah, maybe he's
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: not guaranteed too much, and you know he could beat out,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: But when his contract is almost one point five and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: his total guarantees are almost one point two million, I'd
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: venture to say that unless he totally and completely looks
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: terrible or can't figure out how to punt a kick
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: in camp. He's he is your new Vikings punter. The
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: only thing is I still would be a fan of
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the Vikings bringing in like an undrafted guy to punt
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: in the off season program and training camp, because everybody
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: benefits from some competition, no matter how guaranteed their spot looks.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, given that most of his contract for this
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: one year is guaranteed, I'd be a little surprised if
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: he wasn't the full time punter this twenty twenty six, which,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: again I don't know too much about him other than
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: he's been an award winner in his career. So let's go,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and I think we have spent the appropriate amount of
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: time on the punter position.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yea, so far? Yep. What about the rumors surrounding d
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: hot were your thoughts on that? And do you think
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it would be a good addition to bring DeAndre Hopkins in?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Would it mess with the chemistry of the wide receiver room?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Would he adequately replace a Jalen Naylor?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I don't know how de hop
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins has been playing in the last couple of years,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: but obviously his name comes with a lot of respect
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: throughout his time in the league, multiple time Pro Bowler,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: trying to pull up his stats right now, I probably
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: should have had that up anyways, who was he with
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: most recently?
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Was it Baltimore?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's definitely a guy that you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: when it's all said and done, he'll be talked about
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: for the Hall of Fame. I don't know if he'll
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: quite get in, but he'll definitely be talked about. Thirteen
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: thousand yards, eighty five touchdowns. Yeah, he was with Baltimore
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: last year, Kansas City the year before, Tennessee the year before,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So he's bounced around quite a bit. Fun fact, if
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: you don't already know, there's a You and I connection
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: to DeAndre Hopkins. Really it's a it's a long walk
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: for a short drink of water. But Hopkins was famously
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: traded to Arizona and as a part of the package
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that was included that Arizona sent former You and I
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: panther David Johnson that's in Houston. I remember that that
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: trade was a very very highly talked about and speculated
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: about for Cardinals fans, sorry for UH Texans fans, because
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: at the time, David Johnson wasn't really the David Johnson anymore,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and DeAndre Hopkins was still playing pretty well. So the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: reason we're talking about it now is I think Hopkins
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: recently in the last few days, did an interview or
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: was talking to somebody with I think TMZ, and he
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: basically somebody asked him like, oh, what do you think
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: about Kyler Murray Minnesota? And he basically said like, yeah,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's cool if Kyler Murray, you know, wants
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: to wants to reconnect a little bit. You know, he
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: knows that I'll be there and the Vikings want my help,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I'll be there for them, So that that's it. That's
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the extent of the speculation.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: You got to you gotta quote DeAndre Hopkins. I already
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: got rid of the quote. Oh come on, I did
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: already too good. Maybe maybe you can find it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: But either way as you look for it, yeah, pretty much,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Hopkins was like, yeah, I mean yeah, I'd play with
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray again and that'd be a.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Good connection again.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: So as far as how I think it would work
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: with the team, I mean, I don't know, you know
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: where he's at anymore. He had three hundred and thirty
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: yards with Baltimore last season. He started three games. I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe if his lack of play so far
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: was or last year was due to injury or just opportunity.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Admittedly I haven't kept up with him, but Evan, did
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: you find the.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Quote I did. He was quoted saying, if Kyler need me,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: he know I'm there. If the Vikings need me, they
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: know I'll be there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: All right, So and you know, maybe that was just
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: one of those like DeAndre would say give a similar
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: answer to any team. Like if the reporter had been like, oh,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: would you ever want to play for the Bears, he
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: probably would have been like, I mean, yeah, if somebody
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: wants to give me a job, I'll play either way.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: It sounds like he's still open to playing, and I
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: mean nothing about that said he would only be open
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to playing with Kyler Murray, but I'd be okay with it,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and let you know, competition play itself out in camp.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: You mentioned would he be an immediate replacement for Jalen Naylor? Maybe,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: depending on how old he is. I think he's going
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to be thirty four during the season, thirty three thirty four,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: so getting up there. But I mean, if you can
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: still catch a ball and run around I mean I'd
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: be okay with it. He probably wouldn't cost very much
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: contract wise, but also I might be more apt to
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: putting some resources into maybe a younger prospect who might
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: be with the team for a longer and be more
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of a help. But I mean, good play is good play,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: no matter how young or old they are, So I'd
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: be okay with it, but I wouldn't be heartbroken either way.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the Vikings are sitting at nine million, just a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: little over nine million in cap space, which is better
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: than they were going into the off season. They were
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: like forty something million over the cap, and so now
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: they're under the cap by nine million. They've got a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: little bit of wiggle room. They still have to pay
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: those rookie contracts, and they have a lot more draft
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: picks than they have in the past, which is a
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: good thing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And importantly talking about the draft or the cap space too,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off, but to my knowledge, they
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: haven't done anything, excuse me, anything, at least publicly with
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Brian O'Neil's contract, which could both lock him down for
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: more years beyond twenty twenty six and free up some
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: cap space for twenty twenty six. They haven't. There's a
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: few other moves they could make. People have noticed Jonathan
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Grenard's social media posts in the last day or so,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: specifically his like Instagram stories and they're very like Vikings
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: heavy and him in a Vikings uniform heavy, and people
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: are obviously taking that to mean like, oh, did he
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: sign an extension and he's just super excited about it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: So an extension could pay him more even now and
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: in the future, while also freeing up some cap space now.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: So there's a few moves the Vikings could move that
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: they haven't done yet to potentially open up a little
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: bit more money for twenty twenty six. But also the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: team and owners maybe a little wary of putting too
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: much into the team right now, just for the fact
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that they don't have a GM. They're probably taking things
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: a little slow, and even if Rob Razinski the Brisoness
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: ends up being the full time GM, they might be
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: playing things a little smart and kind of focusing on
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: keeping the future as open and available as possible, because
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I would think most people would look at the Vikings
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: right now and say they probably have a team that
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: could compete, but it's not one that is guaranteed. They're
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: right on the edge and they just need to punch
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the gas pedal until they finally get to the super
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Bowl because we know they're right there, they're just not
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: right there yet, so never know.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would tend to lean away from DeAndre Hopkins,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I think just because of his age and looking at
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: his stats for the last couple of years. He hasn't
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: started a full season since twenty twenty.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been on a different team every year
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: since about.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: That time too. Yeah, so I think his super productive
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: years are gone, and he's still got talent obviously, but
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: he'd probably probably be more of an Adam Thielen where
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you get a handful of games out of him at
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the end of his career and that's it, yep. Or
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: he'll be he'll be the guy that waits around until
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Week ten and figures out, Okay, which teams are making
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a run. Okay, I'll sign with them because they could
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs. You know.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: For me, I definitely agree with you. I feel like
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I'd be more more apt to completely wait and see
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: how the Vikings are doing, and then if Kyler wins
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the job, which he's I would say, he's like ninety
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: nine point nine percent sure to win the QB one
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: job at this point. If he wins the job and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: things are going well, and then you have.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: An injury to.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: One of the wide receivers and you need to kind
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: of fill that room out a little bit more. Bringing
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: in a guy that Kyler is familiar with wouldn't hurt.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Now if they have an injury to like Justin Jefferson
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and they've been hinging on Jefferson, then you'd want to
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: bring in a talent that's higher quality at this moment
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: than the I. J. Hopkins, because you'd want to fill
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: those Justin Jefferson's shoes. But yeah, I think you're probably right.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe kind of hold off and wait and see how
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the season and the first month or so of the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: season plays out.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of fans out there are
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: gonna hear the name and think, oh big name. Yeah
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: bring them in, and they're gonna think, oh, yeah, he's
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: got all this chemistry with Kyler Murray because they played
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: together in Arizona. Well, you got to dig a little
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: bit deeper than that, right, Like, you can't just take
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: that at surface level. And I admit I was that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: fan at one point where I was like, Oh, that's
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: a splashy name, and I'd buy into these rumors, and
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: then you think about it a little bit and you're
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, actually, no, that doesn't It doesn't make
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense, Like the management should not
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: be racing to sign contracts like that. Yeah, so all
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: that to say, interesting rumors. I'm skeptical at this point
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: that we'll see d hop we're in purple.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: At least in Minnesota, and he might go back to Baltimore.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And to that point too, I would be surprised to
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: see any other splash moves from the team this season.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I think the longer we've gone without a Jonathan Grenard
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: trade away from the team, the less likely a trade
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: like that is to happen. Unless a team gets super
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: desperate in training camp and loses a high end edge rusher.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe the Vikings would be open to hearing that. I think, yeah,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: outside of the draft, you're probably not hearing the Vikings
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: make any more like ESPN headline news moves, And I'm
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: perfectly okay with that unless there's something like a huge
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: injury and the Vikings feel like they need to make
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: a big signing to fill the shoes of a guy
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: like Justin Jefferson or Christian Darisa or something like that,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: or if a big name player becomes available at a
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: very low price, a lah Kyler Murray, you know, something
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: like that. But I think the big moves are all
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: going to be internal, like, oh, they're going to announce
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the depth chart and we're all talking about who they
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: list as QB one, or oh, maybe they'll trade away
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a big name player.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: But I don't.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I don't really see that happening either. So that's fine.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Although as two guys that host a Vikings podcast staring
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: into the darkest times of the off season, that's not
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: super exciting. We might be reverting ourselves back to the
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: who's the best to ever wear this number for the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: team kind of topic again, But that's okay. We'll find
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: stuff we always do, for sure.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: You dug up a pretty good article from friend of
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the show Dustin Baker at Vikings Territory talking about the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: four biggest losers of Vikings free agency, and I would
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: maybe add on to the title of his article. So far,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, free agency hasn't done yet, but like you
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: just said, it's probably over, Like there's probably not many
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: other big things that are gonna happen. But who are
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: some of the names in this article and why are
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: they important?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can kind of go through four through one,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and those are as important, you know, in order of importance,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: number one being probably the most splashy name and for
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: being the less splashy name, but so far his four
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: biggest losers. This is Dustin Baker's four biggest losers of
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: free agency. Our cornerback Dwight mclothn, mclothern, mclothern, McLevin. However,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: you want to say his name, kicker will record, which
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: will be interesting. We can kind of talk about that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: We've already kind of talked about that a little bit.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: And then quarterbacks Max Brosmore at two and JJ McCarthy
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: at number one. Evan, can you think of any reason
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: why Dustin would list Dwight mclothurn as one of the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: biggest losers of Vikings free agency here in late March, Well.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I would think it has to be connected to the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: fact that the Vikings signed James Pierre. Yeah Peer Pierre,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I don't hear, yeah pronounced that, But that had to
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: be pretty bad news for Dwight mclothern, who was I
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: think pretty far down the depth chart in terms of cornerbacks.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: He didn't really see a lot of playing time. I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: remember I remember being really excited about him in preseason,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and I think there was a lot. I think there
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: was some hype. I don't think I was just making
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that up, Like I think we might have even talked
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: about it after watching one of the preseason games before
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: this season, like, oh, yeah, he could be a guy
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: to watch, and that position was still kind of uncertain
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: because the Vikings had watched like cam binam leave and
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: some other I feel like there were a couple other
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: people that left. But anyways, Yeah, he looked promising early on,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and he just never really produced anything. And Byron Murphy
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: played well this last season. And you made the point
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I think in a recent episode about how cornerback is
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: one of those positions where if you're not doing a
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: lot of intercepting, as long as your name isn't being
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: brought up, you're probably doing an okay job. Like if
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: people aren't talking about you, it's probably a good thing
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: for the most part, because if they are talking about you,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it's because you got burned on all these routes and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: people are catching balls left and right over you, and
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you know you're allowing the opposing offenses to really be productive.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: So all that to say, I think Dwight mcglothern kind
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: of was living in the shadow of Byron Murphy and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: didn't really get a lot of opportunities. And then when
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the Vikings went out and signed James Pierre a few
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, that really was probably the nail in the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: coffin for him, Like, yeah, I might be I might
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: be off the team, I might be a practice squad guy,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: or I might be like the lowest on the depth chart.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, moving forward, So yeah, I think you hit the
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: nail on the head, and it sounds like Dustin in
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: this article totally agrees with you. Dustin's first point was
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: that Dwight mclothern may have been on the verge of
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: earning one of the three starting cornerback jobs between left side,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: right side, and then Nickel, but then James Pierre kind
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: of blew him out of the water for that. So
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: James Pierre, he even at his best scenarios throughout his career,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: has been borderline number three cornerback guy that in twenty
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: twenty five apparently played pretty well and well enough to
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: earn a decent one year contract from the Biking. So yeah,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: now mclothern might be looking at at best cornerback number four,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: and that's if he doesn't get beat out by anybody
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: else currently on the roster. And Dustin even points out
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the Vikings could and probably should make a draft pick
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: or even a you know, couple draft picks and maybe
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: even another free agent signing between now and the beginning
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: of the season at the cornerback position. The glotheran reminds
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: me at one point, I think it was around this
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: time last year, maybe right before the season. Last season,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: you mentioned how the Vikings always seem to have like
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: a running back that that fans and the team are like, man,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: this guy's not RB one, maybe even not RB two,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: but this guy's got to make the team. He's he's
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: lashing in preseason and training camp, and holy cow, the
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Vikings have a luxury of riches at running back. And
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: it's always like this. Most recent year it was uh
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Scott Xavier Scott, and before that it was you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: guys like ty Chandler. And there's always a year where
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: it's like, man, there's always like a running back that
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: he could make the team, and he could be RB
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: two and then you know, at best he ends up,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: you know, barely scratching the team. It's like RB three
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: or four or practice squad. I would argue too. Cornerback
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: is another one one of those positions, at least for
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the Vikings that every year it seems like, hey, there's
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: this guy. It's been Dwight mclothn it's been Shoot I
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: can't even think it's always It always seems like there's
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: a guy like who's ty Horn or something like that.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: There was like a guy from Texas that he was like,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: oh man, this he's the unsung hero of the Vikings defense.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: And get ready, you've never heard of him, but he
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: might end up being a pro bowler here in the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: next few years. They always have one at running back,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: and it seems like they always have one at cornerback.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Up until recently, the Vikings haven't really had cornerbacks to
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: talk about. I agree with you, and I think you
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: just regurgitated my point about Byron Murphy. How I think
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: you were even one of the ones saying like he's
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: not really playing up to his ability. But I think
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I kind of convinced you, like, nah, he's we're just
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: not hearing his name. But that's because they're not throwing
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: his way. If you look at Pro Football Reference, Byron
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Murphy his AV which again is a subjective, there's a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: little bit of educational guessing there, but it's still a
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: value of how good a player is. In twenty twenty four,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: when Byron Murphy made the Pro Bowl and earned his
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: second Vikings contract and played really well, everybody would say like, yeah,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: if Vikings have a quarterback, he earned an AV average
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: or approximate value of eleven. And then the next year
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, when people are like, you know,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Byron Murphy, maybe he's not doing so so much, Maybe
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: it was a fluke, he earned an AV of nine.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: So like he I think he allowed less yards as
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: a pass defender this past season in twenty five than
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: he didn't twenty four. It's just he got less interceptions.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, when you look at
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the cornerback position, that's the sexy stat right, Like it's like, oh,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: how many interceptions did they have? Well, just because they
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: had a lot of interceptions doesn't mean that they were great, right, Like, yeah,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I mean Yeah, interceptions are awesome, and they obviously can
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: wreck a game real quickly, which is what you want,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: but they're not the end all be y'all.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the perfect example of that is a
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: player by the name of Trayvon Diggs, brother to Stefan Diggs.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: He's a guy that in his second year in the
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: league twenty twenty one, he got what was eleven interceptions,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: He led the league in interceptions, led the league in
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: interception yards, got two pick six's. He had a Pro
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Football Reference Approximate value of fifteen that year. The next
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: year he had a AV of nine with three interceptions,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: and he did a little bit well better in the
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: past defense game. But then after that, he's played what
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: five years since then, and his AV has won four
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: two and two, like, so four years and he's not
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: even on a roster right now.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: So a guy.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Who many people were probably saying, like, oh, I guess,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, did the Cowboys give him a huge
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: contract after that? Give him the best money you can
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: give him. He's a lockdown corner he just got I
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: was gonna say he got lucky with a few interceptions.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to take away from that because he
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: did get the interceptions, and that's not easy, but he
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: had one year where he just seemed to get interceptions
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: left and right. Outside of that, he's not a great cornerback.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I would say Byron Murphy is probably a more well
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: rounded cornerback, even though he doesn't have the elite interception
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: numbers in one year that Trayvon Diggs did that year.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with mcglothern.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I think right now he's still on the roster, but
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I think he's like hanging on by a thread and
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: probably is a non Viking, and if I had to
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: guess he's he's not gonna make the three roster even
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: if he makes it this year.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know what his contract looks like currently for
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: the Vikings. He may not be a guy that makes
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: it past his current contract.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: He does seem like.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: One of those that at this moment is replaceable, and
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the Vikings showed that by signing a one year contract
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: to a guy who's like thirty years old and James Peere.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: So we'll see.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: He's signed for just over a million one point seven
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: to five.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: So, all right, the next step the number three biggest loser.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, the Vikings free agency is will record Evan.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine why a reigning All Pro and probably
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: in my mind, one of the best kickers in the
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: league right now would be listed on this list of
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: biggest losers in free agency.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I think you brought it up. I don't know if
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: we were talking before we started recording, or if we
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: actually talked about this when we hit record, but Ryan
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Wright is no longer a Viking. And to have the
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: consistency of the same guy holding the football for you
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: every time you go up to kick a field goal
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: that is not a kickoff, that's a big deal. Like
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the consistency, the chemistry, the relationship, the trust, it's all there.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And obviously Will reikerd is a very very talented kicker,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and he's young, and he's the sky's the limit for him.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know when Dustin wrote
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: this article. I don't know if he wrote it pre
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Johnny Hecker or post, but I would say if it
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: was written post Johnny Hecker, then I wouldn't include Will
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Reikert on.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: The it was written post Johnny Hecker. Justin does include
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Hecker in this list.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Here Okay, we've already mentioned. You mentioned how solid of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: a holder Hecker is.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Apparently that's what I've seen on Twitter at.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Least, So I think, you know, in addition to his
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: prowess as a punter, you've got to trust his ability
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to catch a snap from Andrew de Paula and put
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: it in the right spot, laces out so that Will
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Record can kick the ball and get it through the uprights.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: If I'm Will Record, I wouldn't consider myself a loser
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: at this point. And I'm not saying Dustin's wrong. Yeah,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and I get where he's coming from, and like, yeah,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I mean one half of your crew, the other half
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: being Andrew Depaula, is gone, right, Ryan Right is gone,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: and now you've got to start over with a brand
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: new guy. You've got to build that chemistry, build that trust,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you know, work on those mechanics a lot. Probably in practice,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: they're probably already trying to start some of that. So
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I get it from that perspective. But man, Johnny Hecker
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: could be somewhat of an upgrade I think at that position.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Like the dude has held kicks for Super Bowls. I
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: think he's won at least one super Bowl with the Rams,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: am I I think so correct that keep talking and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: that's you know, not even talking about his punting ability.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think saying will Rechord is
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a loser is a little bit of a stretch in
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: this situation. Again, I understand where he's coming from, where
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Dustin is coming from writing that, But if i'm will Record,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, man, we may have gotten an upgrade.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: We might have gone from you know, having the like,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: you know, the basic trim level, like the st X
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: four f one fifty like to upgrading to like the
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Lariat trim level or the Platinum trim level. Like it's
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the same truck, does the same stuff. It's just all
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the bells and whistles are way way better on the
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: higher model, right, And usually it's the old guys that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: can afford the nice trucks because they have more money.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Hecker was with the Rams in both their twenty eighteen
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl loss and their twenty twenty one Super Bowl win,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: and honestly, as I'm looking him up now, really everything
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: since that Super Bowl win in twenty when did I
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: just say twenty twenty one, he's kind of been average
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: from as a punter for punting ever since, which is
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: you know, shown by the fact that he seems to
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: have been well, he was with the Panthers and then
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the Titans, but he's been bouncing around.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe the legs then maybe the leg isn't there anymore,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: you know, And I could see that happening.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: But I did just say he's been with the Panthers
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: and the Titans, two teams that have not been great
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the great teams since then, probably two teams that have
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: required him to punt a lot. Yeah, that may come
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: as a really big downer, because if you're required to
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: punt a lot on a bad team, you could still
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: show that you're great as a punter. True, again, I
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: haven't watched him, Yeah, I don't. I'm not smart enough
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: on Johnny Hecker to know, like if he's an upgrade,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I would venture to say he's probably a downgrade from
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Ryan Right. Ryan Right, in the last season or so
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: has proved himself to be one of the better punters
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: in the league after some up and downs in his career.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: But given the choice between Ryan Right and Johnny Hecker
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: right now, I think the Saints made the right choice
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: in trying to keep Ryan right or trying to get
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: and sign Ryan Right. So maybe a little bit of
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: a downgrade, but hopefully Vikings don't punt so much that
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: it's too noticeable.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Well, and hopefully Hecker's consistent enough, and I would hope
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: his experience is something that a younger will Rekerd can
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: rely on in those like especially in those pivotal, like
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: game deciding moments like you gotta go out and make
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: this kick or we lose the game. Yeah, kind of situations, like,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: hopefully Hecker comes in with some steadying influence. Not that
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Ryan Wright didn't. It seems like they were a pretty
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: good team, but yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna be
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: optimistic about Hecker coming in, and I'm going to chalk
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: that up to his age, his maturity, his experience in
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the league, playing in some big time games.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: So and I will say too a few minutes ago,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I was saying, oh, man, when almost all of Hecker's
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: contract this year is guaranteed. If the Vikings, which they
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: should bring in some sort of competition, I think every
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: time team should bring in, you know, at least two
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: punters in the camp every year, even if only to
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: give their starter a little bit of a break in camp.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: But if the Vikings do bring in some competition, and
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason that competition, whether it's an undrafted free
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: agent or whatever, maybe a draft pick beats out Hecker.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think eating you know, a million one point
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: two million dollars of dead cap space as you know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a consolation prize, like it sucks
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: to eat that. I think that's okay if you find
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: a better, if a competition has bread better, you know.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: That's just cost benefit, right, Like, Okay, we drafted a kid.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: We know we're gonna have to pay him a mill
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: We'll just say a million because that's roughly what a
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: rookie contract would be probably, So we're gonna get a
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: better punter now for two million dollars, right, that's the
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: all in costs for the Vikings by eating the Hecker
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: contract and bringing the rookie in. Like, okay, I mean,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: if we can make it work with the books, let's
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: do it. Right, it's a business. I don't have any
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: sort of loyalty to Johnny Hecker at this point like
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I've had with other Vikings players in the past. But yeah,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I mean that's definitely still on the table and could
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: be something that the Vikings are looking to do. And
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe we're sitting here in July talking about,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: oh that punter battle at camp.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: This might be the last time we talk about punter
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: until Week three of the NFL season, you know, like
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: we hopefully it's not something that we talk about all
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like we've had at least one episode in
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: the past where we spent like an obnoxious amount of
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: time talking about Ryan, right and I would.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Venture to say we're getting to that amount of time
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This rivals that for sure, for sure. But there
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: were some other names on this list. Two more, no
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: more of the four biggest losers, and we'll just lump
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: them together, I think because they're they play the same
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: position and then they're in kind of the same spot,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: which is they're kind of in the doghouse. Yeah.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I think they can be separated a little bit.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: But I think one of them we can talk about
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: in a couple sentences and the other one that's what
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: we've been talking about for three years now.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: So let's start with the short one. Yeah, Max Brosmer
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: probably not going to be a fifty three man roster guy,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: especially with the re signing of Carson Wentz. So last
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: week we knew when we recorded, we knew that Kyler
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Murray had signed with the Vikings. That was kind of
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: the big news around the league. It was one of
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: the big free agency moves. Everybody was talking about it,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: and it was a big deal. And it's big because
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy did not live up to his reputation this
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: year and the Vikings need to do something at the
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: quarterback position and Kyler was arguably the best option out
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: there and free agency, so that was big. But then
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: quietly Carson Wentz signed an extension with the Vikings or
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: re signed with.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: The Bikes another one year deal.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that kind of was a powerful move, one
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: that was maybe honestly bigger than Kyler Murray in some ways.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: We can I'll shed my thoughts on that here when
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: we talk about the next player.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: But not like I mean, obviously it wasn't exactly on
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: the same level, but like, I think the ramifications are
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: pretty big, right because for a moment there, it seemed
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: like I felt like Kyler could have come in. I
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: don't think this will happened, but the possibility was there
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: where Kyler would come in and be kind of like
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: the Carson Wentz of last year, where he's the veteran
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: guy that's brought in and he's kind of there to
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: be that stable veteran presence, but also kind of camp
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: competition and you know, kind of there as a security
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: blanket if the floor falls out and JJ McCarthy's terrible
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: and turns out the Vikings needed that security blanket because
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy one got hurt early on and then two
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: didn't play very well, and so it was nice to
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: have Carson Wentz and he actually played better. He didn't
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: win very many games, but he played better arguably than
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy did. And that was kind of what I
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: initially thought about the Kyler trade or the Kyler signing.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I was just kind of like, well, he's not the
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: greatest quarterback out there. He's a good quarterback that was
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: not Joe Burrow.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: But he's also not Carson Wentz. Again, I think he's
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: in a league way higher than Carson Wentz right now.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: But sorry, keep going.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Anyways, all that to say, signing Carson back I think
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: changes obviously changes the complexion of the quarterback room and
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: the initial depth chart Air quotes with the depth chart
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: because it's not official at this point. We won't see
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: a depth chart until August. But as of right now,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: on paper, Carson Wentz is QB one, Kyler Murray's QB.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Two, and that's via Ben Leeber for Viking.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Who is he said that?
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: But he also gave some more context.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: To that, right, And I'm not trying to like overinflate
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: that or make this into a clickbaity thing. Yeah, but again,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: it changed the complexion, right, and now we're AJ McCarthy
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: was maybe the number two. He kind of gets bumped
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: down at this point, and that pushes Max Brosmer, I
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: think completely out of the picture. You're not gonna have
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna have four quarterbacks probably at all, and
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: your third quarterback, whoever he is, probably, I think at
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: this point, JJ McCarthy is your practice squad emergency guy.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: You know. Interesting. Okay, So I'm just all speculative. I'm
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: just I'm still getting used to the news of all
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: of this and processing all of it, and part of
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: processing it is just saying stuff out loud. But obviously
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you disagree with me, and that's fine.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: So just to kind of to clear things up a
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: little bit, right now, we're still talking about the four
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: biggest losers, number two being Max Brosmer. So the reason
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: he's on this list is for what you just finished
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: off saying. Right now, at best, the Vikings won't release
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: an official depth chart until August, late July whatever, in
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: training camp at least. But right now, at best, Max Brosmer,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: of the four Vikings quarterbacks that are on roster under
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: contract right now, he is QB four. There's no way
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: he's higher than J. J. McCarthy or Kyler Murray or
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: He is QB four.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: So I would here's what I expect the Vikings to
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: do with Max Brosmer in the next year calendar year.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I expect him to stay on the roster unless a
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: team offers to trade for him, and they could offer
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: a seventh round pick, and the Vikings might take it,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: you know, like they wouldn't have to offer much. But
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think that would happen. I think he's going
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: to be a Viking. He will be on the roster,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and he will be released at the end of training
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: camp and signed back to the practice squad unless another
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: team again either offers to sign him to their active
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: roster or offers to sign him to their practice squad,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: and he views that other team kind of like Jared
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Hall a few in the last couple of years, views
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: a different practice squad as a better situation than the
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Vikings practice squad. But unless he sees another team as
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: a better situation, I think he'll He'll still be with
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: the Vikings on the practice squad, but he'll be with
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: the team throughout all of training camp and offseason program
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: and everything. Now we get to the rest of the
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: quarterback room. The Vikings did sign Carson Wentz, and I
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: think a couple of days ago we saw on Twitter
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: somebody announced like his contract of value and he's essentially
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: signed for one year, like three million dollars, and another
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: outlet kind of came out and said, like, oh, the
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Vikings didn't didn't sign Carson Wentz for three million dollars
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: to be their QB three, which I think is kind
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: of ridiculous because in the grand scheme of things, three
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: million for a quarterback, whether it's QB one or QB
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: three is pennies. It is not much at all for
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: a quarterback. Tom Pelisero, in the last handful of days
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: was on the Power Trip Morning Show. I think it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: was on this most recent Friday, March twentieth or something
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: like that. He was on the Power Trip Morning Show
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: KFA and they asked him like, hey, you, what do
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: you expect the Vikings QB room to look like after
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: the Wentz signing and Pealisero. His answer kind of is
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: exactly what I agree with. It was basically, hey, the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Vikings have had with Kevin O'Connell multiple years where they've
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: had big injuries and muddled up confusion and different levels
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: of availability at their corner quarterback position, and signing Carson
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Wentz to a measly three million dollars is just insurance
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: wardless of where he ends up on the depth chart,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Signing him gives you a competent, not the best, because
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: both of us on this show have said things like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz should never play another down for the Vikings.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: You know during the season, he holds onto the ball
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: too long. He's not the athletic mobile quarterback he was
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: in his first couple of years, and he's definitely all
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: of thirty what three thirty four years old right now.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: But signing him gives you at least a floor and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: a good solid foundation of a floor of the worst
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: case scenario for your quarterback room, because QB one is
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: probably Kyler Murray or JJ McCarthy, whoever wins that job,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: and I truly believe it'll be a job between probably
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: all three of those guys, but really just Kyler Murray
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: and JJ McCarthy. QB two, I really think unless he
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: totally s'es the bed or the Vikings get you can't
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: refuse this kind of a trade offer for JJ mccar.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: QB two is either going to be Kyler Murray or
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. And I truly think Carson Wentz will be
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: QB three, but he'll be more of the the veteran
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: in the room and worst case scenario, and he'll still
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: get a chance to earn a spot and he may
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: beat out the other two guys or one of the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: other two guys. But I think overall, when both at
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: the end of the season, when both Kevin O'Connell and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: at the time their GM Pacy Dapamensa did their press
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: conferences and we're asked about the quarterback position, both of
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: those guys basically declined to name JJ their starter, but
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: they also said we want to build the best quarterback
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: room possible. And I think without having to name a
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: depth chart signing Kyler Murray and Carson Wentz. To add
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: to JJ McCarthy, I mean, regardless of how it plays out,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not mad about that quarterback room right now in
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: late March of twenty twenty six.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: So what I hear you saying is you think those
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: three are Vikings long term or like at least through
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: this next year.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know about long term. I can't say anybody's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: a Viking long term.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said long term. I didn't mean that.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: But like day one of the season, week one, whatever
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: that is, September whatever, those three guys, in whatever capacity
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: and whatever order, Kyler, Carson, JJ, those are the three quarterbacks,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: is what you are predicting.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: And i'd even add Max Brozman to that. All four
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: of those guys, okay, barring injury or another team approaching
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: the Vikings saying hey we really like ex player and
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: they probably wouldn't trade away. They probably can't trade away
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray. I know he's got a no tag clause
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: in his contract. I would guess it also means they
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: can't trade him unless he says it's okay. I haven't
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: seen anything like that, but I don't know why he would.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: He and his team would be very worried about the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: tag and also not try to throw in the no trade.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: But either way, I think, barring injury or another team
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: approaching the Vikings with can't refuse offer, all four of
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: those guys, JJ McCarthy, Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz and Max
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Brosmer will be in some version with the team throughout
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: this upcoming season.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna disagree. I'm gonna make a hot take.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Let's go. I think only fifty percent of those guys
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: tell me who I think Kyler Murray and Carson Wentz
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: are the two that stay. I think. I don't know. Speculation,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: that's all we're doing right now. It's all we can
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: do right now. The rumors have flown that KOs never
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: wanted JJ in the first place. It was a Quacy thing.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Quacy made the pick. Quacy kind of overruled Koc in
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: the moment they picked him up. I don't know that
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: KOs has a lot of trust in JJ McCarthy, and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I think we saw that obviously. The Max Brosmer experiment failed,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: and yeah, it was not good. And I said it
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit ago, and I'll reiterate, Carson Wentz played fine,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: didn't play great, didn't play MVP level, super Bowl caliber whatever,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: but he at least managed the game the way that
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: KOC wants the game to be managed. And I think
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: that's why KOC held on to him for so long.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, a JJ's not ready, but they
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: had Max sitting there, Like why didn't they throw Max
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: out there while JJ was still hurt? And we knew
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Carson was hurting, just wasn't hurt enough to come out
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: of the game, you know. So I'm thinking the two
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: most reliable, stable quarterbacks that KOs can build around stay
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: with the Vikings. I think there's a small market, but
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: there could be a buyer or two out there for
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, and it wouldn't be as low as a
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: seventh rounder for Max Brosmer. Like you mentioned a little
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: bit ago, It's not gonna be a first rounder, but
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: the Vikings could get something I think for JJ McCarthy,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: and get a little bit of a return on their
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: investment at least save face a little bit with that,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: and move on, and it would be the most Vikings
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: thing ever if they let JJ McCarthy and he goes
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: off and he's successful somewhere else, because we've seen that
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: time and time again. It's a story as old as time.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: But if I know anything about KOC, he loves his quarterbacks.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: He builds everything around the quarterback position. He's going to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: try to find them, especially after this last season. He's
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: going to try to find the most consistent, reliable, serviceable
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that he can build around. And I just don't
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: know that those two younger kids are there. I don't
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: think JJ McCarthy or Max Brosmer met the threshold for
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: what KOs is looking for sure. So that's a bold claim,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a hot take, but we'll see
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: what happened.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Last thing I'll say on the QB position, at least
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: for this episode, is as far as like number of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks the Vikings keep on the fifty three man roster,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: not counting the practice squad, I think, more than any
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: other year, you're almost guaranteed that the Vikings are going
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: to keep three quarterbacks on the active roster just because
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: they have been burned by availability and injury. It takes
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: one throw where the quarterback jams his thumb into the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: helmet of alignment and can't play anymore for you to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: totally derail your entire game. And if you have a
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: guy who whoever the backup of the four names that
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: we've listed here is, I think other than maybe Max Brosmer,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: you're not too happy about. But if Carson Wentz is
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: your guy coming in as QB two when QB one
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: jammed his thumb for at least a few plays, you
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: can at least say like, okay. And I think we
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: undersold what Nick Mullins was to this team for a
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: couple of years, where the joke was, all right, it's
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: third and twenty five and the starter just went down
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: because he tweaked his ankle, have to go with Mullins,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: count it as a first down. And during that time
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: I was saying QB two is a legit position in
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: the NFL, and not just the next guy after QB one.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: QB two is legitimately its own, bona fide position in
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: the NFL. And for that reason, I think backup qbs
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: are something the Vikings are going to covet because they've
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: been burned in the last few years a couple of
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: times by not having a solid backup plan, let alone
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: how they feel about their solid plan A. So yeah,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I think because of that, the Vikings will without a
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: doubt be employing three quarterbacks on their fifty three man
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: roster as much as they can help it.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: We'll definitely be interesting to see how the narrative around
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: that shifts and changes over the next handful of months,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: and it'll be very interesting to see what we end
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: up with in August and September, because it could be
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: exactly what you said, it could be what I said,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: or it could be something totally different than either of
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: us said. And that's just kind of the beauty of
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: where we sit right now. We just sit here and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: armchair quarterbacks the whole thing and kind of speculate on
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: what we think and what we know.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: And the beauty of that is everything we just said,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: both you and I combined is just as valuable as
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: what the quote unquote experts are going to be saying
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: about the Vikings on ESPN and all the other networks
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: for the next handful of months. And the only difference
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: is that even though the experts quote unquote don't know
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: any more about it than we do, they'll get paid
• 1:10:41
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• 1:10:45
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• 1:10:47
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• 1:10:51
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• 1:11:01
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• 1:11:03
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• 1:11:06
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, don't forget too. That's badass dot com. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: k o l h op.
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  Speaker 1: That'll get you.
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  Speaker 2: Ten percent off any and all orders from there. And apparently,
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  Speaker 2: even though I'm a born and bred, iowin whenever i
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: say the word promo code skull Hop, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: do it there. A little bit of Minnesotan gets in
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: there too, because I apparently can't say those words together
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  Speaker 2: without going oh so oh yeah, oh yeah oy, yeah
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  Speaker 2: you bet you. But yeah, I couldn't be more happy
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  Speaker 2: with this with art piece. Luisi did a freaking fantastic
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  Speaker 2: job and the weight was well worth. It can't be
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  Speaker 2: more happy just to display this on our Skullman Center
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  Speaker 2: from here on out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Great piece of art, great beer, great conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe best episode yet It might be School School.
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