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Inside Hollywood Stories and Having 2 Vaginas · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Let's go. This girl said she has the world's largest
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  Speaker 2: feet and she has to fend off perverts.
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  Speaker 6: How big are her feet?
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  Speaker 4: Does it show?
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  Speaker 2: This is how New York Post writes it.
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  Speaker 6: It doesn't look that big.
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  Speaker 2: She uses her huge flippers to kick pervs to the curb.
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  Speaker 2: A Texas woman with the world's biggest feet. So she's
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  Speaker 2: constantly inundated with requests from creepy guys who want to
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  Speaker 2: purchase pics of her Titanic trotters.
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  Speaker 3: She needs to do an OnlyFans, honey.
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  Speaker 2: These are her feet.
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  Speaker 3: Are they the biggest feet of a woman?
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  Speaker 6: Do they have a rash?
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  Speaker 5: Why are her toes so spread apart? Like, what's going
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  Speaker 5: on in between her first and second toes?
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  Speaker 6: What's going on here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, she broke the record this past fall for having
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  Speaker 2: the biggest feet. Her shoe size is 18. Whoa.
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  Speaker 3: Like, her feet, her shoes are bigger than Shaquille O'Neal.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: A woman.
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  Speaker 2: A woman size 18. So, who knows if they broke.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, my son has a size 14, and he
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  Speaker 2: has to order his shoes. They don't really carry 14.
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  Speaker 7: Drake.
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  Speaker 2: They don't carry. They only carry most stores like Vans
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  Speaker 2: and stuff don't have 14.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, she broke the previous record of a woman with
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  Speaker 2: a size 16 and she's proud to have such big feet.
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  Speaker 2: Her Instagram has always been flooded with pervs. And the
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  Speaker 2: bigger the feet, the sweeter the treat, said one comment.
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  Speaker 2: She is a Christian and thinks it's morally wrong to
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  Speaker 2: sell pictures of her feet. So she doesn't have any
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  Speaker 2: plans to do that. Well, you're stupid. And she thinks
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  Speaker 2: it is disturbing.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: And she has to work with a custom show builder
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  Speaker 2: in London. And each pair costs about $ 400. So she
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  Speaker 2: started a GoFundMe....
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 2: Just sell your giant feet pics.
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  Speaker 6: You have to do it.
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  Speaker 5: It looks like she's been taking it in between those
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  Speaker 5: first two toes. I think she's been getting some action
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  Speaker 5: in there.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, like they're putting their penises in that toe?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the gap.
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  Speaker 6: Well, maybe she puts her own penis.
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  Speaker 2: Do you imagine the pedicure lady? Like, your feet wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: even fit in those little toe things.
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  Speaker 5: She has to get, like, the biggest razor, like, to
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  Speaker 5: shave off. They don't even look that big in this picture.
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  Speaker 5: I wish there was a Coke can next to it.
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  Speaker 5: We need something for like size.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Or what's that called where
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  Speaker 3: you can tell the two different sizes? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Like a comparison of sizes.
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  Speaker 3: Put a Coke can there.
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  Speaker 6: Can you imagine?
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  Speaker 2: The right foot is bigger.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, it's like my boobs.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: One's way bigger.
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  Speaker 2: One is bigger.
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  Speaker 6: The right one is so much bigger than the left one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 6: You're crazy. I get emails all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like.
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  Speaker 3: Your Titanic trotters.
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  Speaker 6: My Titanic trotters.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like someone is jealous.
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  Speaker 6: Then I will take pictures of them and sell them.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't mind.
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  Speaker 2: This girl says, I got two vaginas. Sorry. I have
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  Speaker 2: two vaginas, but I use one for porn and the
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  Speaker 2: other for my husband.
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  Speaker 3: Does she mean her booty and her.
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  Speaker 2: No, she actually has two vaginas.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just, you know, another New York, oh, this
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  Speaker 2: is Daily Mail.
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  Speaker 6: Two full vaginas?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, I had two vaginas.
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  Speaker 6: With a womb?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's the deal?
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  Speaker 6: Two vaginas. Two clitorises, two vols, two vulvas, two wombs.
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  Speaker 6: Two lips?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 6: Two forelips. So she could carry babies on each side?
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  Speaker 2: Here's the deal.
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  Speaker 6: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: Annie did the research.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: She has two sets of ovaries and two vaginas.
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  Speaker 6: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: She earns 12K a week on Pornhub and OnlyFans. Well,
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  Speaker 2: tell that Bigfoot girl to join you. You can do
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  Speaker 2: a collab. She's from Australia. She's a married mother.
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  Speaker 6: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: She has one vagina for work and another for play
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  Speaker 2: so she doesn't see it as cheating.
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  Speaker 6: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 2: She was so anxious about sex for so long that
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  Speaker 2: she avoided it and then she only lived with her
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  Speaker 2: dad and she didn't want She didn't have anyone to
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  Speaker 2: ask because she didn't know what to say because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she was going to ask her dad about two vaginas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like two periods.
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  Speaker 2: She shows it off on OnlyFans. Her urethra is lower
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  Speaker 2: than usual, and then the vaginas are on either side.
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  Speaker 2: Just a.
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  Speaker 3: Double tampon it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 6: Do you think the period comes at the same time
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  Speaker 6: or is it different times?
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  Speaker 2: So this happens when two separate ducts fail to join
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  Speaker 2: together and affects 0.3% of women. Many people with the
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  Speaker 2: condition are left infertile, but she has had two babies.
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  Speaker 3: Out of both sides?
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  Speaker 2: She has to use a condom. No, just the one side.
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  Speaker 2: The other side is just for porn. God.
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  Speaker 3: How does she decide?
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  Speaker 2: She has to use a condom in the other vagina
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  Speaker 2: when she is pregnant to avoid getting pregnant twice.
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  Speaker 3: She should be always using condoms on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: She finds her condition fascinating and empowering.
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  Speaker 3: Well, true to form, as everyone in Australia, she's completely beautiful.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So lest anyone think that she's popular on porn just
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  Speaker 5: because of her two vaginas nope she's completely pretty.
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  Speaker 2: I know when I went to Australia I couldn't believe
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  Speaker 2: how attractive people.
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  Speaker 3: Were they're so and you can always tell too.
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  Speaker 2: Like nobody's they have a look you.
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  Speaker 5: Know what I mean like they all like if you
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  Speaker 5: think of Margot Robbie yeah and then like It's the.
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  Speaker 6: Look of two vaginas, guys. How about that? It's the
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  Speaker 6: look of two vaginas.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I say. Oh, hey, good day to you.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 6: I got two vaginas. Don't mind if I do. One's
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  Speaker 6: for Pa and one's for my husband. He likes it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not cheating.
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  Speaker 6: He says, what's in that one? I go, you don't
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  Speaker 6: want to know. It's from work today. I didn't clean
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  Speaker 6: it out earlier before I got home.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go douche real quick before I put some
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  Speaker 2: shrimp on the barbie.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how much tampons did she go through?
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  Speaker 6: Just all of it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Then she would have two tampons.
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  Speaker 6: Period.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 6: My one vagina likes tampons. My other one likes pants.
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  Speaker 6: I use a maxi pad on one side and a
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  Speaker 6: tampon on the other side. I don't mind it.
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  Speaker 4: Why not?
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  Speaker 6: You know what I mean, guys?
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  Speaker 2: I totally agree.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes it's just how it is.
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  Speaker 2: You guys have been to Australia a bunch of times, huh?
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  Speaker 3: No, we've only been once in New Zealand, but we
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  Speaker 3: like love it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've only been, I've been twice, but it was for
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  Speaker 2: work when we were in Chelsea and we went to Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: But didn't you like it?
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  Speaker 4: Beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Just clean, beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Fun.
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  Speaker 6: Attractive.
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  Speaker 2: People are fun. People, just nice people. They speak my language, English,
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  Speaker 2: so it's not scary for me as a dum-dum who
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  Speaker 2: hasn't traveled a lot.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to start, though.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 3: Because you're a travellist to know.
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  Speaker 2: You're taking me, right, on all of our trips.
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  Speaker 3: I know that you are. I can see that your trajectory,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to be off into all the European lands.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. As always, you guys, remember to go to julieandbranny.com
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  Speaker 2: And now for a really juicy, juicy story straight from
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  Speaker 2: inside Hollywood with my new friend, Scott Nathan. Hello, and
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  Speaker 2: welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm very excited to talk to
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  Speaker 2: a brand new guest, one of my wonderful discoveries from TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Scott Nathan, I talked about you with hilarious Fortune Feimster.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't very flattering, but you have a really
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  Speaker 2: good sense of humor. Thank you. incredible stories about Hollywood.
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  Speaker 2: You're a famous photographer and I just really like your attitude.
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  Speaker 2: So welcome to Juicy Scoop. Thank you for being brave
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  Speaker 2: enough to come.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. And Fortune, if you're out
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  Speaker 4: there and I know you are, thanks for making fun
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  Speaker 4: of my face. I didn't put on pants for three
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  Speaker 4: days after that. All right.
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  Speaker 2: So Scott, just give us a little background. Where did
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  Speaker 2: you come from? How did you fall into this Hollywood
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  Speaker 2: life with such great knowledge about the world?
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  Speaker 4: All right, so I grew up in the north shore
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  Speaker 4: of Chicago in jaded suburbia. Any John Hughes film you've
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  Speaker 4: ever seen, that's where I grew up.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Ferris Bueller, Risky Business.
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  Speaker 2: That was your life.
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  Speaker 4: Just like white bread America.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 4: And it was a very normal suburban childhood. Rode our
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  Speaker 4: bikes everywhere and went fishing and climbed trees. And, you know...
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  Speaker 4: And I remember when I discovered this place. L.A. Well, yes,
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  Speaker 4: so circuitously. So we went on a family trip to California.
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  Speaker 4: So we flew into San Francisco, did all that stuff,
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  Speaker 4: the Fisherman's Wharf, the Alcatraz, all that stuff. that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And then we took a road trip. My dad rented
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  Speaker 4: this big Lincoln Continental, which I'm giving my age away.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're contemporaries. So we're driving this land yacht
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  Speaker 4: down PCH and we took this. And I remember coming
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  Speaker 4: down and seeing, you know, it's the dead of winter.
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  Speaker 4: It was like Christmas vacation. I'm seeing palm trees and
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  Speaker 4: smelling jasmine in the air. And we're driving down PCH.
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  Speaker 4: I see all these beautiful beaches. And we took that
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  Speaker 4: left onto Sunset Boulevard. And I see all these gated
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  Speaker 4: homes and orange trees. And I'm like in the back seat.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, excuse me, why don't we live here? And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Chicago in the winter. Love you, Chicago. But
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  Speaker 4: it's like a Warsaw post office. It's dark. It's depressing.
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  Speaker 4: And it's miserable. And my parents said in that moment
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  Speaker 4: that they remember that moment. And they knew that someday
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  Speaker 4: they would eventually lose me to this place.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And we stayed at this hotel called the Westwood Marquis,
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  Speaker 4: which is now the W in Westwood over by UCLA.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And, yeah, it reminds me, do you remember?
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  Speaker 6: How old were you?
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  Speaker 4: I was probably nine then. Okay. And do you remember
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  Speaker 4: that movie, The People vs. Larry Flint? Yes, of course.
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  Speaker 4: So there's this amazing moment that cuts from the first
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  Speaker 4: to the second act of the movie. where Woody Harrelson
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  Speaker 4: says to the guy who plays his brother, he goes,
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  Speaker 4: we need to move to a place that accepts perverts.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't exactly the same. And then there was
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  Speaker 4: a smash cut to a helicopter shot swirling over Wilshire
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  Speaker 4: Boulevard over the Flint building. And I never really felt
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  Speaker 4: like I fit in growing up in Chicago. It was
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  Speaker 4: very preppy and square. And in my 20s, I had
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  Speaker 4: hair down to here and wrote a Harley Davidson. And
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  Speaker 4: I worked in music there. I was a concert promoter
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  Speaker 4: and I worked for a music publishing company. And I'd
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  Speaker 4: run into my friends who were like suits, and they'd
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  Speaker 4: be like, what are you doing? It's the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the day. What are you riding a skateboard to lunch for?
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  Speaker 4: And it just wasn't. And then I moved here, and
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  Speaker 4: I was just like, okay, everyone's weird. These are my people.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you moved here at what age?
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  Speaker 4: I moved here in March of 1994, just before the
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  Speaker 4: Northridge earthquake. So that would have put me at about 28.
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  Speaker 2: And did that scare you, the earthquake?
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  Speaker 4: No, because I actually– Everyone said I was so lucky.
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  Speaker 4: I missed the earthquake. I had to fly back to
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  Speaker 4: Chicago for 14 hours to go to a court date,
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  Speaker 4: which is probably a story for another time. And I
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  Speaker 4: missed it. And the earthquake turned out to be the
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  Speaker 4: best thing that ever happened to me because I had
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  Speaker 4: just moved here. I had no money. I was couch surfing.
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  Speaker 4: I was moving from one friend to the next and
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  Speaker 4: probably at the beginning of wearing out my welcome. Then
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  Speaker 4: the Northridge earthquake hit and my friend's dad had just
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  Speaker 4: built this big mansion on Mulholland Drive in one of
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  Speaker 4: those gated communities. And the house was, after the earthquake happened,
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  Speaker 4: you either got a green tag, a yellow tag, or
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  Speaker 4: a red tag. Red tag, uninhabited. Green tag, no problem. Yellow,
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  Speaker 4: needs repair. His house got yellow tagged. And we nicknamed
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  Speaker 4: the house Hotel Beirut because it looked like it had
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  Speaker 4: gotten bombed and it was pre-9-11, so that was our
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  Speaker 4: frame of reference for bombed places. So like six, six
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  Speaker 4: chimneys had fallen and the pool cracked into the mountain.
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  Speaker 4: And my friend's dad was just like, Scott, um, do
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  Speaker 4: you have a place to live yet? And I said, no, Jerry,
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  Speaker 4: I don't have a place to live yet. And so
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  Speaker 4: you could stay in the house. Uh, just, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just keep an eye, make sure that that workmen don't
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  Speaker 4: steal the pool furniture. And I'm like, that's fair. And
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  Speaker 4: all these celebrities lived in this gated compound. Like my
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  Speaker 4: first day I went.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so he was having people fix it, but he
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  Speaker 2: wanted one person to make sure.
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  Speaker 4: He was real type A. He could never live with
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  Speaker 4: all that dust and construction.
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  Speaker 2: But he was happy to have someone be on the
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  Speaker 2: property to keep it on.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly. So he rented a big house on the Wilshire
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  Speaker 4: Corridor because he can't handle dust.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So I figure I'll walk around the neighborhood. I'll check
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  Speaker 4: it out. So I'm walking around the neighborhood my first
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  Speaker 4: day and I got hair down to here. And people
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  Speaker 4: probably thought because I'm in this big mansion that I was, like,
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  Speaker 4: in a band or something, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, I'm a polite Midwesterner, so I see
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  Speaker 4: a guy left his lights on in his driveway, and
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  Speaker 4: people don't ring each other's bells in gated communities or
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  Speaker 4: really in L.A. in general.
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  Speaker 2: No, actually, my joke is that I grew up here
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  Speaker 2: my whole life, but my joke in stand-up, because I
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  Speaker 2: started stand-up shortly after or right around the earthquake— It
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  Speaker 2: was like, you know, an earthquake is great because it's
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  Speaker 2: when you meet your neighbors. Like literally nobody knows.
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  Speaker 4: It's exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody knows their neighbors until there's an earthquake. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and that's even happened in the 90s. So you see
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  Speaker 2: the lights.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm walking around the neighborhood. I see someone left
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: their light on on the Mercedes. And I ring the
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: gate and I hear a very, like, suspicious, like, hello.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: And I go, oh, hey, it's Scott. I'm your neighbor.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: You left your light on in your car. And the
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: guy goes, oh, that's so nice of you. Let me
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: come down and say hello. And out walks a shoeless
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: with a t-shirt and shorts, Wayne Gretzky.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: He goes, how you doing, man? I'm Wayne. And I'm like,
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: I know. I was like, I was at your first
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: game against the Blackhawks in Chicago. He's like, really? You're
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: a hockey fan? I'm like, yeah. And so he was
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: incredibly nice. And I'd walk the neighborhood at sunset because
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: it's a beautiful place. And like Paula Abdul and Emilio
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: Estevez lived up the street. And Isaac Tiger, the Planet
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: Hollywood guy, lived there. And Shaquille O'Neal, who I never saw,
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: but apparently he had the house down the street. And
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: Chris McCarron, the winningest horse jockey of all time, random,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: he lived up the street. And Vanna White and George
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: Santo Pietro, they lived there. And it was all this, like,
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: funny little neighborhood. And I was so broke at the time. Like,
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't even have gas money to go down the
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: hill to Ventura to get gas. So there was a
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: couple-month period where I was pretty much living off avocados
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: and oranges on the trees. But my skin looked great.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: So then... When do you start to make some money
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: to buy some protein?
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: So then, well, first, you know, I worked in music
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: in Chicago. So that was my plan was to continue that.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Being a concert promoter.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: I was a concert promoter and I worked in like
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: the music publishing version of A & R. So I
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: was working with songwriters and artists. And my plan, I'd
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: kind of done everything you could do in Chicago. I
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: worked for an affiliate of Warner Brothers, Warner Chapel Music.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: And this was kind of a golden age in Chicago, too.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: It was like when the Smashing Pumpkins were just coming
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: up and Material Issue and Liz Phair. And Chicago was
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: kind of hot. But I had done everything you could
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: do there. So I wanted to get a job. And
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: I figured, you know, I was, you know, fairly successful
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: in Chicago. So I thought getting a job would be
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: really easy here. Well, it wasn't. And I'm kissing frogs
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: and nobody's hiring me. And then Napster happened. Remember that?
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, the way the music all changed.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: So Napster was an app, and no one had to
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: pay for music anymore. Everybody was stealing it. It was
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: started by that guy, Sean Parker, who was one of
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: the Facebook guys. Thanks for that, too, by the way.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: And then I kicked and screamed, and eventually I got
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: a job with Atlantic Records, which I think lasted for
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: three weeks. And then I got laid off. I never
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: got an answer why, but I assumed it was just
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: that everyone was getting laid off. The music business was
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: dead to rights. And it was before Steve Jobs came
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: up with iTunes and 99 Cents and the beginning of
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: saving the music business. So I'm like, what am I
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: going to do? I need to keep the lights on.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't even have lights at this point,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: but I had to figure out something to do with
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: my life. So I was just like, well, Napster, this
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: internet thing is new. And this other kid I grew
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: up with, my friend Parker, who was a screenwriter who
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: had brief success until he wrote a movie that everybody
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: hated called Super Mario Brothers with Dennis Hopper and Bob Hoskins,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: and he basically never worked as a writer again. But
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: he was a brilliant artist, and he was a great
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: art director at Leo Burnett and a few other advertising agencies.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you're a great designer. I'm pretty good at
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: talking to people. I'll bet we could, these website things
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: are new. I'll bet you I could convince people in
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: the movie business that their movies need websites. And he goes,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: give it a go, because he didn't have any money either.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: And he said Dennis Hopper used to hit him in
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: the head with a script every morning, yelling at him
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: how bad the script was, which, to be fair, it
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: was a terrible script and a terrible movie. But, you know,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: we all got to eat. So Parker and I started
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: this web design agency. And we did a ton of websites,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: not just in the movie and TV business, but also
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: in the fashion business. And it was rocking. It was
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: doing great. And this was the golden age of websites.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Everybody needed a website, yeah. And it was expensive.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Nobody else knew how to do it. Everything had to
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: be coded by hand. So you could charge a lot
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: of money. So it's just like, you know, I was
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: working for Universal a lot. I was working for Disney
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: a lot. And they were paying like, you know, $ 100, 000, $ 125, 000
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: for a movie website. And then we're getting these freelancers
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: to do them. for $ 3, 000, $ 4, 000, $ 6, 000, and I'm suddenly, again,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: eating in restaurants and playing golf and able to get
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: my own place. So that's kind of how all that started.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, so then how did you then get into the
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: commercial world? Because you were like a big commercial guy.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: And I think, and I could totally see why, because
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: as a kid, I had an agent. You know, all
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: my siblings, my two sisters and I, we had agents.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: So you were a kid actor?
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I was very unsuccessful. But my sister was
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: more successful. She was blonde, blue-eyed. And at that time,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: that's what they wanted. But the thing that every agent
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: wanted was a redhead. A redhead worked. It was so rare.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Still does.
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And I actually have a friend whose daughter was a
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: natural redhead. And she got so angry because at one point,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: her competition was starting to dye their hair. The moms
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: were dyeing their six-year-old's hair red.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: So that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: They could be that one redhead.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: One of my agents told me we're the only white
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: people that still work in commercials. Because it's spot color.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Because if you're doing a group of people in an office,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: you need the black guy, you need the Asian lady,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: you need the ginger. And there's just a lot of
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: gigs for redheads. So it all happened. I was.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: It was all through a photographer friend of mine. It
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: was this guy, Davis Factor. Do you know him?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I've heard the name.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: So Davis and his brother, Dean, were Smashbox Studios, Smashbox Cosmetics.
• 20:16
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• 20:18
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• 20:21
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• 20:23
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• 20:27
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• 20:29
  Speaker 4: like a really tacky 70s golfer. It was just like
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: a shtick of mine. I started with the plaid pants
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: and the big boat sail collar shirts. It was just
• 20:36
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• 21:11
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• 21:16
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• 21:18
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• 21:21
  Speaker 6: Chaos I'm heading to the Emmys and I have police
• 21:24
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• 21:25
  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:27
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• 21:30
  Speaker 7: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 21:33
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• 21:35
  Speaker 4: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 21:37
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• 21:39
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• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Everybody in life encounters hardships.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: What defines them is not those hard moments that they
• 21:46
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• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And we walk into this party. It's Fifth and Sunset.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: And this woman who talks like a drag queen, but
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: she's like a blonde lady from Pasadena. She comes up
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: to me and she's like, oh, sweetheart, you are like
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: geek chic. And I was like, thanks? And she's like, no, no,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: you are like a super nerd. And I'm like, can
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: you leave me alone, please? And she's like, you should
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: sign with my agency. Now I was just starting photography.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, you represent photographers? She's like, no,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I represent actors. I said, listen, lady, I will never,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: ever be someone with a headshot. She goes, why not?
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I said, I've just.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: How old are you at this point?
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: I'm in my 30s. Okay. And she's like, why? And
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I said, I've just never wanted to have a career
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: where the insult could also be the occupation. Like, shut up. Like,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: shut up, you effing actor. Which is, you know, a
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: frequently thrown around thing.
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: When someone says something dumb, you're just like, shut up, actor.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: And then I blew her off. And then I see
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: her a week later. I'm like, oh my God, here's
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: the drag queen talking lady again. And she's like, honey,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: did you change your mind? You gonna sign with my agency?
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I said, no, listen, I'm not an actor. I'm not
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: even an extrovert. Like I am a weird, shy, dorky person.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not an actor. I will never be an actor.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: And then one of my other friends knew who she was.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: And he goes, you should sign with her agency. I said, why?
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know how to act. And he said, listen,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: you can make tons of money And you can get
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: health insurance. I said, hold on a second. Did you
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: just say health insurance?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: It's the ultimate flex to say that you have health insurance.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's like health insurance? No way. Oh, all right, fine.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I'll give it a go. So I said, do I
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: have to get a headshot? She goes, yes, you have
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: to get a headshot. So Davis was shooting, I think
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: it was Jennifer Love Hewitt for the cover of Premier Magazine.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: He was like, I have a shoot tomorrow. Stop by
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: the studio. I'll shoot a couple rolls on you. I said,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: all right. So I went when they were on lunch break.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I just jumped in the light that Jennifer was in.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Davis shot two quick rolls on me. And I was such,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I didn't mean to be a dick, but I was
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: such a dick that I took, I didn't even process
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: the film. I took the exposed film and I drove
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: over to her office at her agency. I just put
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: them on her desk and left. And she was really
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: nice and believed in me, I guess. And she processed
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: the film and had headshots made. And she sent me
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: out on an audition. And the first commercial audition she
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: sent me on was for Toyota. And we had to
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: wear these like Lakers warmup jacket, warmup suits. Like, you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: the warm-up suits. And you know they have the breakaway pants?
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: So the guy goes, okay, so here's the setup. You're
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: going to rip off the breakaway pants and you're going
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: to be wearing a red Speedo bathing suit. And I said,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I'm out. He goes, what do you mean you're out?
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: I said, I'm not. You're not videotaping me in a
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Speedo with these pasty ginger legs. He's like, really? And
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I said, yeah, I'm out of here. And I just left.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: But I felt bad because the agent was nice. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I said, listen, I really like that you believe in
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: me and you're a nice person, but I'm not cut
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: out for this. And she goes, sweetheart, before you quit,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: just promise me you'll go on a couple more. And
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I said, fine, I'll go on a couple more. So
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: the next day I went on an audition for, I
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: think it was Dell Computers. And it was the easiest
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: audition in the world. I literally was sitting at a desk,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: clicking a mouse, looking at the screen, and I booked it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: And it was a huge national network commercial, and I
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: made $ 65, 000 from it. And I was on for about
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: one and a half seconds. I should pull it up here.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: It was literally click, click, click. And I'm like, wait,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: money's falling from the sky. There's money coming in the
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: mailbox every day. And I'm like, I think it could
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: be an actor. Yeah, sure. So I just, I think
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: because I didn't care, I just went on a bender.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It's like crazy because it's, the amount of effort that
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: just to get it for me, to get a commercial agent,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: to book anything. I think I only booked one thing
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: in like a couple years. And I actually got dumped
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: by the commercial agent the day I got like some,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I think I got my first sketch show. And that
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: day that I got the sketch show, they sent me
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: a letter saying, we're dumping you because you've like not
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: booked anything. And like, and I used to think about like, God,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: how do they make any money? There's like five people
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: working here and I don't book anything. Like, are people
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: really booking stuff? But I guess, you know, you get
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: someone like you. And it's amazing that like, People work
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: so hard on it and they take acting classes how
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: to be a good commercial actor.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: And that's the problem.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: And you feel so bad about yourself when you don't
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: get it. And it really is so random and so
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: not personal and so not about talent.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Nothing at all. Anyone knows. Look, I've directed commercials now.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: And I always used to look at the people at
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: the callback as adversaries. Yes. When really, they just want
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: to go to lunch. They want to book the person
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: and get the hell out of there. They're rooting for you.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: You know, that's so interesting because I said that it
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: took me so long to realize in any job that...
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you know, when you go and you're, you know, especially
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: when you're young and you're trying to make it, whether
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: it's acting or any job, you feel like the person
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: is going to, yeah, is an adversary, doesn't want you
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: to do well. I'm like, no, they want the person
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to walk in to be the one.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: They want you to be the first one.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: They want you to check on, yeah, be done.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: And get out of there and go to lunch. And
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: be done.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: And so it's like, I wish I would have had
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: that attitude earlier because it would have made life so
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: much easier.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: I was, I was so lucky that So you know
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: that actor Rex Lee, the really funny Asian guy from Entourage?
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Plays the gay guy?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: So he was a session runner at, I think, Ross Lacey.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: He was one of those big casting directors. He was
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: the session runner, the guy in the room that tapes people.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: You know, when he was a journeyman trying to make
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: it as an actor. And I choked. I choked in
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: the room. I'm like, I'm not going to do it.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not cut out for this. He's like, sweetheart, just stop.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Just slow down. We're going to do this as many
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: times as we have to to get it right. And
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: I still run into him once in a while. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I would never have kept going if it
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: weren't for your Rex. Because he was so kind and
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: so nurturing. And that's, you know. Yeah. So I booked
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: 40 commercials. 40? 40. Because I didn't care. Because they'd
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: be like, it's going to be like an hour wait.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: And I'd be like, well, then I'm leaving. And they're like, okay,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: you can come in next. Because I just didn't care.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: And that's the way the universe works.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: It always greases the palms that don't need grease.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: They can smell desperation.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: And I don't like it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And if you have the desperation, it's hard to hide.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Even if you think you're hiding it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: They know when you're hungry and they don't give it
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: to you. Yeah. So that's why everything I've tried to manifest,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: they're like, no. But the things I don't give a
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: shit about, I always get.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: So you call it reverse manifestation?
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I used to call it the anti-secret. Because the secret
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: is the same type of thing. And I would do
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: this thing where I would just, it wasn't totally anti-secret.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: It was like, I'd see somebody like me that's maybe
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: a few years older than I am on pursuing the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: same thing. And I would be like, well, I don't
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: want to be her.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: That at 35. Whatever her life is, that's not what
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I want. And so I would do a little bit,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: it's like a weird thing, but I would kind of
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it's not an actual like name, but you know what
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I mean? I think sometimes people do that where you're like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: that could be me if I don't make a left now,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you know? So, okay, continue. So you'd, so while you're
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: doing the commercial is when you then started to become
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: a famous photographer.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I, really– look, I was always a photo enthusiast.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I got my first darkroom at like eight or nine
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: years old. And how that happened was my dad used
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: to rent an office space. When he was first starting out,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: he rented this tiny office space about the size of
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: this room. And he sold electrical supplies. But he happened
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: to rent a building that was all photo. It was
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: all photographers with studios. Kodak had offices there. Ford Models
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: had offices. But what I liked, why I liked going
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: to work with him was there was this beautiful deco
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: building with the manual elevators, but they had these silky
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: smooth marble floors. And I used to like to skateboard
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: up and down the hallways. So one day this guy
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: stopped me in the hallway and he's like, hey, can
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I take your picture? And I was like, I don't know.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: I was told not to talk to strangers. And so
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: he's like, no, I think I could use you as
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: a model for some stuff. So I said, well, come
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: back to my dad's office and you can ask my
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: parents if it's okay. And my parents were like, do
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: you want to do it? I'm like, yeah, sure.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: So as a kid, you were the desirable redhead.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: So I was very briefly a child model, but I
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: really didn't like it. But then what I really liked
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: is what those guys were doing. So I would, when
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: I'd go to work, I'd go knock on all the
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: photographer's doors and I'd be like, are you shooting today?
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: No.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Are you shooting today?
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: No.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Are you shooting today?
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: I'm like, can I watch? They're like, if you sit
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: on that stool in the corner and you don't say anything,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: you can watch me shoot. So I was obsessed with that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: So my dad was like, what do you want for
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Hanukkah one year? And I was just like, I want,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: you know, he's like, do you want an air hockey table?
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Do you want a bicycle? And I'd be like, no,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I want a darkroom. And my mother's like, you're not,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: he's not playing with dangerous chemicals. He's eight or nine
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: years old. And my dad's like, he's not going to
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: drink them. So they built me a darkroom. And I
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: was like a nerdy kid with a camera. Now everyone
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: walks around taking pictures. But I was always taking pictures.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: But my parents are like, you are never turning pro.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: And I said, why? And they're like, because the arts
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: are for imbeciles, which they're not wrong about in hindsight.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: But they're like, I mean, they had my best interest
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: at heart. They were like, you're going to be a doctor.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: You're going to be a lawyer. You're going to be
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: a businessman. And if you think you're going to college
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: for art, think again because we're not paying for it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, I don't want to go into
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: the workforce. I still don't.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: So did you go to college?
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. I went to University of Colorado Boulder.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, but what was your major then?
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Psychology, but only because it had the highest enrollment of women.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I knew I was going to go in the music business.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: I'm like, let's just get through this and make it
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: last as long as we can. And we'll ski and
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: we'll rock climb until they tell me I can't stay
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: there anymore.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: So you have some other great stories. So you're doing this. Now,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: one story I want to get into a little bit
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: is how I discovered you, which was your story of
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: telling how you are the gold digger. How did you
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: call it? The gold digger or the.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: The Whore Whisperer.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: The Whore Whisperer.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: She called me that. I didn't call myself that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Your friend did.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: So, tell the story.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Okay. So, it all began in a photo shoot for
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: a startup hair brand in Orange County. And that's like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: I didn't plan on being the beauty guy, but I
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: became the guy who shoots a lot of hair and
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: makeup advertising. But, We can get to it, but the
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: first campaign I shot was I booked my broke friend,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Katy Perry, to be the face of Too Faced Cosmetics.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: And as the saying goes, you chop down one tree
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: and everyone thinks you're a lumberjack. So I became the
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: beauty guy because that's where the work was. And I
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: also don't ever allow people to be mistreated. My set
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: policy is you're not allowed to yell at anybody on
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: set unless they make more money than you. Therefore, you're
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: not allowed to yell at anybody on set. So this
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: was a busy day. I think it was a hair
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: color campaign. And we had like six models to get through,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: which is a big day. So I'm like, you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: look left, look right, look up, look down, next girl.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: And so I'm shooting, shooting, shooting. And then we get
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: to the third or fourth girl. And my assistant steward goes,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I go, bring out the next girl. He goes, she
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: doesn't want to come out. I go, what do you
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: mean she doesn't want to come out? And he says,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: she's locked herself in the janitor's closet and she's crying.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: I go, but what? He goes, so I go, take
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: me to the closet. So I go to the closet
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: and I go, I'm like, Scott, Annie, it's Scott. She goes,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: you can't come in. I'm like, Annie, the show must
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: go on. She's like, okay, you can come in. No
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: one else. So I walk in and she's like, all
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: her makeup's ruined. The mascara is streaming down her chest.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: She's wearing nothing but a nude thong. And I'm like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. She's like, I feel
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: bad for this kid, but she's also ruining the timing
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: of my day. So I sit down next to her
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, what's wrong? And she says, That D-bag
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: with the tattoos and the Range Rover cut off all
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: my hair and called me the C-word. And I go,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: what guy? And she goes, you know, that tanning bed guy.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: And I go, oh, no. And it's the client. So
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I can't. You know, what am I going
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: to do? I can't.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: So the client wanted her to have short hair for
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the shoot?
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Didn't ask her. Cut all her hair off. Her hair
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: was this beautiful, glorious hair. And in the modeling business,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: that's a huge deal. Like if you're cutting someone's hair
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: more than three quarters of an inch, There's always a
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: huge pay bump and you get the permission of both
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: the model and the agent. And this guy cut her
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: hair to here. And I go, he didn't ask you?
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: You didn't get paid for it? She goes, no. And
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: he called me a C word. So I flip because
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: I'm sometimes a ginger with a hot temper and I
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: walk out to the guy and I go, did you
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: just cut all my model's hair off and call it
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: a C word? He goes, yeah, I own that C
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: for 10 hours. I'll do whatever the F I want
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: to her. And I was just shocked. I was livid,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: and I just lost it. And I go, Stuart, pack
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: up the trucks. We're out of here. And the guy goes,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: you leave, and I'll effing sue you. And I'm like, oh, great.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I'd been in one lawsuit before in my life, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: no one wins them except lawyers. And I won that lawsuit,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: but it doesn't matter. So stressful. So he's like, you've
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: got to finish it. So I'm like, all right, here's
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the deal. You're going to pay her for the day
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: in a check, and that check had better be gold,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: or you will never get the files. And let's just
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: get through it. So we did the shoot.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Without her.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Without her. But I had four or five other models.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: And we got through it. So the girl got my
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: name off the call sheet. And she said, that was
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: really nice of you. No one has ever stood up
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: for me before. And I said, well, I'm happy to
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: do it. That guy's a dick. I will never work
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: for him again. And she says, I want to take
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: you to lunch. And they always, that always happens. It's
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: just like, I, you know, it's like, unless I have
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: a job, I really don't want to put pants on.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: So she's, so she's like, come on, let me take
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: you to lunch. And I was just like, you really
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: don't have to. I was happy to do it. And
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: I wish you well. And she's like, just please let
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: me take you to lunch. It would make me feel better.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: So I take her to lunch at the place on
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: my corner on sunset. And we're sitting there, we're having
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: just like a perfectly normal. And she told me that
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: her parents were like traveling ministers. She grew up like
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: very Christian in central California. And we're like 40 minutes
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: into lunch and we're about to ask for the check.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: And she goes, do you have sex? And I said, yeah,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: I guess. Sure. So we go back to my place
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: and we do some sex. And I figured I'll never
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: hear from her again. I was just like, all right, well,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: you know, I guess doing a good deed sometimes pays off.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: And that went on for years. I never knew where
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: she was. And sometimes.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: You mean you were like friends with a benefit.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Okay. I mean, this is a young girl. Legal.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: But young. Too young for me. And I never knew
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: where she was, and I'd look at her Instagram, and
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: she was always in all those suspicious places that you
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: wonder about.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: The yachts and Dubai.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: She was on the yacht.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Kentucky Derby, Dubai, the Cannes Film Festival, TIFF, Sundance, you know,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: all those places.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: So, and I'm without judgment. I'm just like, do what
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: you got to do, girl. You know, like, I don't care.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: And I'd hear from her once in a while. And
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: when she did, I would be like, sure, come on over.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: You know, it's all bonus for me. I'm under no
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: illusion that I'm going to, you know.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Marry her or something.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Fall in love with this girl that's too young to
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: be my daughter. Yeah. So she says, hey, I'm coming.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: She calls me from San Tropez.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: Another great place.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: And she says, hey, I'm going to be in L.A.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: for a few days. Can I stay with you? And
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, you can stay with me. So she
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: stays over Friday night, stays over Saturday night, sleeps over.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: And then she's like, I'm gonna take a shower. I said,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: go ahead. And then all of a sudden I feel
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: the sheets vibrating. I think it's my phone. So I
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: reached for my phone and hers is the same iPhone
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: as I, as mine. Oh, you know, the big one
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: without a case. Yeah. So I go to look at
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: her phone and it said, you have a, you have a,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: you have a message from Mohammed. It's seeking arrangements. And
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: if you guys don't know what that is.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Look, Oh, we know what that is. That's the sugar,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: baby sugar, daddy website.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But there's sort of like the centerpiece.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: So, uh, So I'm just a wise ass. So she's
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: getting ready, putting her makeup on. I go, hey, babe.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: And she goes, yeah, babe. I go, you have a
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: message from Mohammed and seeking arrangements. She goes, oh, my God,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: are you spying on me? Why are you looking at
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: my phone? I said, I thought it was my phone.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: But I didn't want her to, like, storm out and
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: slam the door. So I wanted a faint interest in it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: So I go, tell me how this works. I didn't
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: really know back then. I said, show me your hustle.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: She goes, you want to see my hustle? I said,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: I want to see your hustle. So she goes, watch this.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: So she calls the guy back, and the guy goes, Hello,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: I am, he has a very thick Middle Eastern accent.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: And says, I'm staying at the Peninsula Hotel. I would
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: like to take you to lunch. And she says, it's $ 1, 000
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: to take me to lunch. He goes, yes, no problem.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: And she goes, will you take me shopping too? He goes, yes,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: no problem. So she's like, all right, I'm not going
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: to have sex with this guy. But she goes, I
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: only have sex with like 3% of them. And they're like, well,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: you know, only the hot ones that I would have
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: sex with anyway. And I'm like, do whatever you got
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: to do, babe. So she's like, can I come back in, like,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: two or three hours and we can hang out some more?
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: So I said, sure. So true to her word, she's
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: gone for a couple hours. She comes back. She's got
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: one of those St. Laurent bags, like, for, like, high boots,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: I guess, the ones that are the size of this table. Yeah.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: And then, like, another medium-sized St. Laurent bag and then
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: a small Gucci bag. And I go, you did all right.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: And she goes, yeah, I got you a present. And
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: she hands me the Gucci bag. And I go, what's this?
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: She goes, I got you a present. So I open
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: it up and it's this shoe box and I open
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: it up and it's these, and it was these horrible
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Gucci slippers that were like velvet with the fur remember
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: yeah that was the rage and I said first of
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: all how did you convince the Arab guy to buy
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: you a pair of men's shoes and second of all
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: how'd you know I was a size 11 and she
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: said oh um I told him it was my dad's
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: birthday and I didn't have any money And I checked
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: your closet. And I'm like, you're pretty cool. And she's like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: you know, I said, are you getting rich from this?
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: She goes, no, that's the problem. I'm only rich in
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: luxury goods. I have like no money. I said, new rules.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: You're only going shopping at Barney's and Neiman Marcus. And
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: she said, why is that? And I said, because those
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: are the only places where you can get cash back
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: on a return. So I forgot that I even told
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: her that. Didn't hear from her for three months. Then
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: she calls me and says, wait, I'm going to sip
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: some water. She calls me and she's like, Daddy, you're
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: a genius. And I was like, why am I a genius?
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: And she says, do you remember when you told me
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: to go to Barney's in Neiman Marcus for gifts? And
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I said, yeah. She goes, I've been returning stuff. I
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: have like $ 35, 000 in my bank account. You're like a genius.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: You should be like a coach for sex workers. You're
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: like a whore whisperer. And that's where the title The
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Whore Whisperer comes from.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Do you have any other tips? For sex worker whores
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: or just girls that like to date rich guys and
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: make some money in the meantime?
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Well, that has kind of turned into part of my brand,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: which was not what I'm after. Still not what I'm after.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: I'm just trying to be fun. So, yeah, some of
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: the advice I've given these girls is, Do not let
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: a guy take you. You do not want to go
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: shopping at Prada. You do not want to go shopping
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: at Gucci. You do not want to go shopping at
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Valentino or Louis Vuitton even for that matter.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Because those are non-depreciating assets. The appreciating liquid assets or
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: the ones that never lose money, there's really only two
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: brands in women's finery, and that's Chanel and Hermes. And
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Chanel bags, like them, don't like them, doesn't matter. They
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: hold with the S & P 100, you know? They
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: never lose money and they quite often gain money. And
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: during COVID, supply chain got cut short and you could
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: take a Chanel bag that was two years old in
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: decent condition and sell it for more than a new one.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I always tell them, you buy clothes
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: with your own money, buy shoes with your own money,
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: get bags from Chanel and Hermes. So- A lot of
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: people have done quite well with that advice. And then
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, what if a guy wants to buy
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: me a watch? I'm like, you never take women's watches
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: because they have no resale value. And if it is
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: a watch, it has to be one of the big
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: three Geneva brands. So like Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Vacheron Constantin,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: or Rolex's Evergreen. Rolex is always blue water, but always
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: get men's ones. And men's watches for women are kind
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: of in style anyway.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Hmm. What about other jewelry? Like, what about, like, I
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: just saw something, um, about, you know, how everyone has
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the gold Cartier bracelets.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I love bracelets.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: But that guy, but this guy said the, the fakes
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: are so good now that you shouldn't buy those real
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Cartier gold bracelets anymore.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Always get the love bracelet. Yeah. Uh, VCA always does well.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: What's VCA?
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Van Cleef and our pals. So if you can get,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: if you can get that, um, I always say skip
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: diamonds unless they're branded. So unless it's Groff or Harry Winston,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: you're going to get pennies on the dollar for your
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: diamond unless it's massive and flawless. Even Tiffany. I mean, Tiffany,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: most of the stuff has no resale value and it's drecky.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: But if you get a big Tiffany, you know, VS1,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: VS2 giant diamond, take that. But yeah.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw this other girl giving tips about how
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: to act like you're really interested in a guy and
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: take him shopping but trick him into it. And so
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: she was like, so you go, you say, you go, ooh,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: you're walking by and you go, ooh, I just want
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to go in this store for a minute and look
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: at this something. Do you mind if I try this
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: on and get your opinion?
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: So you're not saying buy it for me or anything.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: And then you try it on and you're like, what
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: do you think? Or you might even bring the guy
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: like flirty with him, like zip me up in the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: dressing room and like have him. This is like you
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: haven't boned him yet, but like making him think it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, and then you'll be like, well,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that was that was nice. But no, I'm not, you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not getting it. And then he'll most likely insist
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: on getting it. And, you know, that's the way you
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: get stuff.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: And does it work?
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Well, this girl, I thought the way she said it,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember all the stuff, but I thought
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: it was, you know, um, you know, I thought it
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: was pretty, it was pretty good how she like was
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: subtle about it. Cause that's my question. If you're not
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: on a sugar baby website and you're dating someone that
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: can afford to buy you some stuff, but you don't
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: want to appear like that's the only reason you're there.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Do you have any advice for that? Because you want
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to act like you're just like not that girl, you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: so that they keep liking you.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: But here's the thing. From a male perspective, and I
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: don't have this fetish, but it is a big male
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: fetish to save women, to shower women. And it's a
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: flex of power. This is who I am. I can
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: take you to eat here and I can buy you
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: this and I can buy you that. And that's how
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: they sort of, you know, exhibit their power.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for really rich guys, it's not at
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: all like they're being taken or anything.
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: No.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Because that's what they want and it is a flex
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and they like it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: And it's a transaction they're comfortable with. Like to a
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: really rich guy, you know, giving a girl a pair
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: of shoes from Gucci is like me giving you a
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: candy bar. Like it doesn't mean anything to rich people.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: And they're happy.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: But to that 25-year-old, to tell all her friends, oh
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: my God, you know, an $ 1, 100 pair of Louboutins showed
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: up at my door by his driver.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Like how hot and exciting is that? That girl is
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: like in love with you in a hot second. I remember,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: this is funny, but this comedian, Bert Kreischer said this,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: he goes, you know, I got to a place in
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: my life recently where I was able to like have
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: this car delivered, my dream car, whatever. And the car
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: is there and his wife of 20 years who has
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: two kids with comes home and she's like, oh, you
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: got your car. Cool. Like that was it. You know?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: And he's like, Now imagine like if I took a
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: 25 year old that I was on a second date
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: with in this brand new car, how she would be like,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: like taking photos, telling all her friends. And it's, that's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: what it is. But like, if it's your wife of 20,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: you know, five years that you, that you've accumulated the
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: wealth with, and this isn't the first nice car that
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: she's seen you get. And she has a nice car.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: It's like Well, no, I'm not going to go blow
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: you in the garage right now.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Because it's not that big of a thing.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Do you know about the car scam, the rich guy
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: car scam? No, do tell. So this is a big
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: move among celebrities and rich guys.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Where they'll go take the girl to the Porsche dealer, Tesla,
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: whatever it is.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Buy them the luxury car. And then they don't have
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: to buy them anything else. They just have to take
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: them out to dinner. And then three months later, it
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: turns out the whole thing was a lease under the
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: guy's name. And they just send someone over to take
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: it back. I've seen so many girls get hustled. So
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: if a guy's telling you he's taking your car, you're like,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: title my name.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Or no deal. Because nine times out of ten, you're
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: getting scammed. I'm not going to name any names here
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: because I hate getting sued. But there are some very
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: famous celebrities who pull this scam. Rappers, athletes.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Does the girl really not know? Because I would think
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I would be like, clearly, this isn't my car forever.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: But I might as well enjoy it for as long
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: as I can and take my girlfriends around.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: They don't ask. They see the car with the red
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: bow around it from the dealer. And they're like, this
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: athlete bought me a Porsche.
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: And they really think it's there. So that's actually on
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: one of my videos. I was like, car in your
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: name or no deal and no leases.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: They have to also know because it's like, who's paying
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the insurance, the maintenance, all that. You would need that
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: whole big package from Porsche even.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: If you were on the lease. Heather, you're a valley girl.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: I'm a Chicago guy. We didn't just fall off the
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: turnip truck, but plenty of people in this town just
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: fell off the turnip truck.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I guess especially if you're not here and you're like,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I just fell into this fancy Hollywood life. this is
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: what I was meant to be. I'm so hot. This
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: guy likes me. And what about shelf life of some
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: of these girls? Like where they're really living their life
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: on their looks and it's not their sparkling personality that
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: they get invited to the parties. It's not because the
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: guys love talking to them for hours. Do you think
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: those women realize that?
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: I hope so because beauty is a perishable good, you know?
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: We all want to age like first growth Bordeaux, but
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: I can only speak for myself that I'm kind of
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: aging like milk in the Texas sun. But hopefully they
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: can convert it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Annie's from Texas.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: So I know this one girl who was like a
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: neighbor of mine. And she was all about it. She
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: was shameless. She'd go out with these really old, really
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: rich guys. And she knew the clock was ticking.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: And with the really old guys, would she have to
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: bone them? Or were they so old she didn't have to?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Or it would be a real quick Viagra thing?
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: She actually preferred. She's like, he dated a rich guy
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: in his early 30s. He's going to bang you for
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: three straight hours. He's like an old guy. If he
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: can make anything happen at all, it's going to be
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: all of five minutes. Right. Yeah. So that's why a
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: lot of these ex-worker types. Time is money. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: And they're just like, hopefully he'll, you know, you don't
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: want to eat his overcooked vegetables and be asleep by
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: 7 p.m.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: So, but this one landed one. I don't know how
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: she did it, but she's dating this older guy. She's
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: living on a gated compound.
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: They fly in his Gulfstream all over the world. And
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of like a fairy godmother to these girls,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: because they are so dumb. So I'm like, make sure
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: you send me, they're like, he has a jet. And
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: I'm like, send me a selfie of you. Make it
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: like you want to be a selfie with a jet,
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: but make sure you get the tail number in the frame.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: And they're like, why? And I'm like, explain it to
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: you later. And there's this website called FlightAware. So she
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: sent me a selfie, and I was just like, okay.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: It's not his plane. It's a rental. It's 35 years old,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: which to be fair, I don't know about you guys.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: I don't own a 35-year-old Gulfstream either.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Or even to fly a chartered private. Who cares? It's
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: still private.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Right. But I was just like, it's not his plane.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: It's a recent remodel. But this guy takes very good
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: care of her. They live in a compound. She seems
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: to really love him. you know, he's made his money
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: so he's not at work all the time. They fly
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: all over the place and I don't know, some dreams
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: come true, I guess.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: So now, how old is this girl?
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: 25.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: And the guy's like, what, 60?
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Late 60s.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Oof.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Okay. But a fit late 60s. Like, goes to the
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: gym every day late 60s. Like, he's gray but he's,
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of shredded and has a lot of energy.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, still though, that's 40 years. Yeah.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: So, do you have any tips about Like, okay, it's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: been a year, honey. And I just want to make
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: sure that, like, I'm not going to end up in
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: an apartment with three friends in Pomona if you dump
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: me or die or enter a coma and your kids
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: are like, won't even let me to visit the hospital room.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: So what do you suggest for that?
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: How do you close? That's the question, right?
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I think this is what I would do. And I'm
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: just thinking about it now. But I do think that...
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: it's so funny because just recently I said to captain
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Sandy that a movie that changed my life. I was
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: about nine years old. It was with a Victoria principal.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: It was called the mistress. Somebody just looked it up
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: and she was an actress and she was the mistress
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: and she got so excited to tell her sugar daddy
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: that she got a part in a soap and that
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: it's going to film next week. She finally booked a
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: part and I thought her life was so glamorous as
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I'm watching this at nine. And it was that he said, um, No,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: you can't because we're going to New York and that's
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: my only time with you and you're basically my employee
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Anyway, he dies. She gets nothing. And then
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: she has to become a regular hooker. I just remembered
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: the ending of the movie. So, no, I was like, well,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think I want that. I think I would
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: like to maybe pursue the talents God gave me, which
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: is not being a hooker. But I do think there's
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: something important in like it taught me like, no, you've
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: got to like say, hey, I want a condo in
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: my name. I want something in my name. And I
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: think that's what I would say. Like, can we buy
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: a duplex or something? Or something that then I have
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: some security because I'm not going to, you know, I
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: don't want to take your kids' money and I don't
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: want them to hate me and I don't want to.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I believe there can be a heterosexual transactional relationship that
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: can be beneficial to both and be fine. Not everybody
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: is going to have the most notebook worthy love story that,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: you know, only one person in this and that, and
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: you're on this world. And if this is what makes
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: you happy and, and you're like, I don't need the
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: most amazing sex of my life. I'm really thrilled to
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: watch Casablanca with this old fart and, you know, take
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: my mom to Cabo and hang out with my nieces
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: and whatever your case is. And he's nice and who cares,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: but also know that, you know, it's not, It's not
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: a regular marriage of two people that get married at 25.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: But where's the line? I look at every ex-playmate friend
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: and every ex-supermodel friend of mine who married a guy
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: who looks like Alan Dershowitz, who lives behind gates in
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Brentwood Park.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: And what's the distinction? That guy was never going to
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: get a girl like this.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: But she had what he wanted. He had what she wanted.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: And they actually do love each other. And look, the
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: hot sex doesn't last forever no matter who you're with.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: You know, like no matter how hot a girl is,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: if I don't like her or she bores me after
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: three dates, I really don't want to hang out with
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: her anymore.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Whereas I can certainly give up a lot of the
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: looks department if I'm laughing all the time. Right. Because
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: all the girlfriends I've ever had, people are like, you
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: don't have a type. You went from like a six-foot-one
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: blonde to a five-foot-tall Chinese girl. And I'm like, I
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: do have a type. My type is funny and that's it.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So– Yeah, that's so.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: It's all a mosaic. It's a puzzle.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Yes. But I mean, it's obviously happens a lot, you know,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: in certain cities and L.A. being being one of them.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: And now that it's so out in the open with
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: the sugar baby stuff and even like on the TikToks
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: where these girls like love to flex it that like
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I and even women flex like I got married and
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I don't have to work. Like I just married so
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: well and the guy's not old and I just get
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: to wear my Lululemons and get my hair done and
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: have kids and you should be jealous that I don't
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: have to work. And I'm like, hey, that's fine too.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: But again, in 20 years, you might feel different. Exactly.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: It's rarely free. My grandmother Goldie used to say anybody
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: who marries for money has earned it.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, has never worked harder. Something like that. There's a
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: saying like that. Yeah, because then it's going to be like,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: you know, you're expected to have the meal or you're
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: not or you don't have the freedom to go out
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: with your friends or, you know, you don't have any
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: comeback to it.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: There's always going to be an imbalance.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: And usually almost without exception, the person with the money
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: has the leverage in the relationship. I dated one extraordinarily
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: wealthy woman with the jet, with the whole thing. And
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: she did love me, and I think the best way
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: she could. But she was so used to everyone around
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: her being a submissive. And I'm just not a submissive.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: She'd be like, go run this errand for me. Go
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: do this for me. In the beginning, I thought it
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: was cute. And then she'd start bossing me around, and
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I would be like, no. I've been in the car
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: all day. I'm not running another errand right now. Just
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: let me relax right now. And then she'd hand me
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: a Wells Fargo envelope, and I'd be like, what's that?
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: She'd be like, that's $ 10, 000. Now go run my effing errand.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: And I'd be like, yes, ma'am. You know, but eventually
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: I just couldn't take being treated like the help anymore.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: And it was more to it than that. Right. But
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: when people have like unlimited resources, it's sort of like fame.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: You know, when you're never told no. Like I remember
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: when all those kids were like Lohan and going back further,
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Shannon Doherty. And all those kids were like wild animals
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: running the streets of L.A. If no one ever told
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: me no from... you know, junior high onward, I would
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: have probably turned into a miserable prick too. But it's
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: because I've had the shit kicked out of me so
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: many times in life that I'm such a polite person now. Yeah.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I also think, you know, if you're, you know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: come from money and then you have all that, it's,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: it is just your worldview. If your worldview is like,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I was watching this other thing where there's like a
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: trend going on where people say, has anyone ever said
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: things have you ever had a rich friend say something
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: to you that made you realize how poor you are?
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Give me an example.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: And then people were like doing stitches and this one kid,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: he was a young Jewish kid from upstate New York
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I got to go to this camp,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: but I got like a scholarship or something. But so
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I was like the diverse kid just because I wasn't
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: super rich, but because he was white, everyone just assumed
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: he was another upper, whatever East coast person. And they
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: would be like, He'd be like, what are you doing
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: this weekend? He's like, I'm going to my dad's. And
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: he's like, oh, where does your dad have a home?
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: He's like, what do you mean? It's just his home.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: No, but where's his summer home that you're going to
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: for the weekend off? And he's like, just his apartment
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: in Brooklyn or whatever it was. And it's like there's
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: nothing wrong with those kids. But if that's all you know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: it's like the thing when someone who has a private
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: jet goes, oh, I was so embarrassed. We had to
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: take commercial. And my daughter said, mom, why are all
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: these people on our plane? Well, if all she knows
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: is taking a private jet, how would they know different?
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: And so it is sometimes I, I, you know, I
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: do think not boohoo, but it is a challenge. I
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: would think for really wealthy people to try to teach
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: their kids, you know, like, um, You know, to make
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: them really aware that what this is is not normal and.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, and to not let them run amok.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: Like a guy I went to college with became extremely successful.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: He was a Goldman Sachs banker, retired in his early 40s,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: has all the money in the world. And his kids
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: don't get shit until they're 50. Wow. Because he's just like,
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: I've seen what it does. It destroys people. And even
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: Warren Buffett was just like, you know, I give them
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: enough to do something. I don't give them enough to
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: do nothing.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think it's very true. But also then
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: there's this other part of, like, people being, you know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: rude about the fact that maybe your parents gave you
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: a down payment for a house. and like you know
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I watch a lot of housewives and they're always like
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: your mom bought your house and then someone said well
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: don't we all want to get to a place that
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: hopefully in 25 years that you could buy your four-year-old
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: a condo or give them a down payment. Isn't that
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: what we want?
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: I'm rooting for those people.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like don't we want that? Why? It shouldn't be
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: a dig to someone that they do have some generational wealth,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: you know? I feel like it's like a weird flex
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: to say like, oh, I was raised poor. I didn't
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: come from anything.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Did you ever see that interview where Paris Hilton said,
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: I had no idea I was rich until I went
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: over to another kid's house.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Like she just didn't know because that was her frame
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: of reference. Right. And I love her and I, you know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: I root for everybody to be successful as long as
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: they're a nice person.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: And what's great about Paris too is that she came
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: from all this and became famous, really the first type
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: of person to be a real influencer or anything, but
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: took it and, you know, did a million fragrances and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: a DJ.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: And TV shows and all this stuff.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: She didn't just, you know, try to marry the first
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: rich guy at 21 and do nothing, you know? So
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: it's like, It is really interesting. Okay, before we go,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I want you to tell this Joan Rivers story because
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: I love Joan Rivers and you've photographed her. So what's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: the story there?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: I love Joan. So I got a call. I think
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: it was from one of Dita Von Teese's who I've
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: been working with for decades. One of her production people says,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: do you like Joan Rivers? I said, who doesn't like
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Joan Rivers? And they're like, do you want to do
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: a shoot with her? And I was like, of course
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: I want to do a shoot with her. When is it?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: And they're like, okay, well, there's going to be a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: camera crew there. So you might have to work around them.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: So I said, sure. So I was shooting at Pier
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: 59 Studios and I was stoked. So I get to
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: the studio and I'm always early for shoots because I'm
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: ADD and I just need to be alone and just
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: stare at a blank stage before a hundred people come
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: in and ask me questions. So I'm sitting there and
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: I'm just there sitting my coffee, looking at this white psych,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: figuring out how I'm going to light her and what
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: we're going to do. And all of a sudden I
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: hear this, unmistakable voice going what time Scott get here
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: and I'm like I'm Scott she goes you're always early
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: I'm always early and I'm like cool she goes you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: want to have breakfast together I was like yeah of
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: course so we sit down and we're talking and she
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: goes you know she goes your work's very nice uh
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: and I said thanks she goes that's not why you're
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: here I said no she goes this isn't even really
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: a photo shoot and I said what is it she
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: goes we're shooting an episode of Jonah Melissa and it
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: take and we get in a big fight and it
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: takes place behind the scenes of a photo shoot and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: I said okay why me And she goes, guys, I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: hear you're Jewish and you're very funny. I said, I'm funny.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not you funny. She goes, sweetheart, nobody's me funny.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Which is true. So we had the best time. And
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: it was kind of like, Joan's the kind of person
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: there's nothing you could say to shock her. So we
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: were almost having a contest to see how offensive we
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: could be to each other. And I could tell some
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: of the things we would say would make Melissa just
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: roll her eyes.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: So, and we were just, like, winding each other up.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: So while we're shooting, she goes, hey, Scott. And I said, yeah, Joan.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: She goes, do your balls sag? I said, what? She goes,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: what are you, deaf? I asked you a question. Do
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: your balls sag? I said, yeah, a lot more than
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: they did when I was a teenager. She goes, my
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: vagina sagged so much that this morning when I got
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: out of bed, I stepped on it. It looked like
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: I was wearing one of those big, gray, fuzzy rabbit slippers.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: And I literally had to hand someone my camera and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: walk away doubled over laughing.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: And then she was just like, let's go fuck with
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: the front desk lady. And I go, why? She goes,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: there's nothing else to do. Let's go fuck with the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: front desk lady. I go, okay, what are we going
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: to do? She goes, I'm going to take my roll
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: aboard and you're going to just like be a sequence
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: and you're going to go, Miss Rivers, Miss Rivers, can
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: I help you with anything? And she goes, and just
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: improv the rest. I go, okay. So I'm walking behind her.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: She's just like walking with her shades on and her
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: pashmina and her Birkin. And I go, Miss Rivers, Miss Rivers,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: can I help you? And she just drops the Birkin,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: drops the roll aboard and just walks out the door.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: And then we were visibly upsetting Melissa. And I go, Joan,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: what are you doing later? She goes, I'm not doing
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: anything later. I'm just going to go back to the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: room and order room service. I go, that's what I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: was thinking. She goes, what were you thinking? I go,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: let's hang out tonight. Let's order room service, take a bath.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: And Melissa's like, oh, my God. And we're just fucking
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: with each other. And she goes, Scott, I'm too old
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: for you. I'm like. think so i think we're like
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: soulmates and we're just kind of screwed by age but
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: i think you and i are supposed to be together
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: she's like i don't know um but uh there's so many.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Things that she was so she was so great and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: like saying that she came early i think you also
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: said that she was like um and i remember this
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: from her documentary like you know that happened right before
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: she got back on e and all the success before
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: the joan melissa show and how she said like I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: don't get any dates anymore. I have a blank calendar.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: It's all Kathy Griffin. That was the What a Face
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: or whatever that documentary was. And so she said something
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: to you about that.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. That was really good career advice. So she
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: said to me, you know, she was not afraid to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: ask an inappropriate question. So she said to me, she said, Scott,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: what's the most money you ever made in a photo shoot?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: Which is like nobody asks anybody that. And I go, what?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: And she goes, what, do you have shit in your ears?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: I asked you a question. What's the most money you
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: ever made? And I said, $ 85, 000. And she goes, that's
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: a lot of fucking money. Who paid you that? And
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: I said, Google. And she goes, oh. She goes, do
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: you ever turn down work? I said, I do sometimes
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: turn down work. And she said, don't ever do that.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: And I go, Joan, sometimes there are shoots where what
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: they're expecting exceeds the cost, where I can't afford the gear.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: I can't afford the location. I can't afford the insurance.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: She goes, you figure it out. You take everything. You
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: say no to nothing. She said, three years ago, I
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: was playing shitty bars in casinos and everyone was talking
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: and nobody was listening and now i play the biggest
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: rooms in the world and she goes and you know
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: what three years from now i could be back to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: playing those shitty bars you figure it out you say
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: yes to everything your enemy your only enemy in this
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: world is the white calendar which was good advice yeah
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: and she goes how much are you getting paid to
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: do this show and i said she goes you can't
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: be anything yeah and she goes why and i said
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: because i fucking love you i've always loved you And
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: I didn't mention this in the TikTok, but I was like,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: you know, you're the first celebrity I ever met. She goes,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: get out of here. Where? And I said, I read
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: in the local newspaper in Wilmette, Illinois, that Joan Rivers
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: was coming to sign autographs at a screening of Rabbit Test,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: which is a movie Joan directed way back when. So
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: I said, so me and my friend Eli got on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: our Schwinn Varsities and we rode our bicycles to the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: movie theater. She goes, you prick. I go, why are
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: you calling me a prick? She goes, you rode your bicycle.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: You had to make me look 100 years old. And
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, you are older than me. And she goes,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: did that really happen? What was I wearing? I said,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: you were wearing this luxurious camel hair coat and a scarf.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: And she goes, I remember that coat. You were there. Totally.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: And then she's like, repeat it on the thing. While
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: we were taping the show, so I repeated it. I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: was like, you're the first celebrity I ever met. And
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: then she's like, how old were you? And I was like,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: I was like 11. And she goes, fuck off. And
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: she walked away from me.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: She.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it's just, yeah. And the greatest work
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: ethic and all of that.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: And so great. Oh, and the other thing she said
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: to me, which I found out was a joke she'd
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: used over and over, but all comedians do that. We
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: all like recycle our best material. But she said, Scout,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: you ever been to my apartment? I said, no, Joan,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: how would I have ever been to your apartment? She goes,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: you should come. It's nice. I said, yeah, what's it like?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: She's like, come for Passover. I go, what's your apartment like?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: She says, how Marie Antoinette would have lived if she
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: had as much money as me. She's like, so great.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I know, and I love that she wasn't apologetic about
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: liking the finer things in life and deserving them.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: I also like that she never apologized.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: Like, if she said a joke, like, she said a
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: few jokes about some famous people I know that really
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: hurt their feelings. Oh, yeah. But it's almost like the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: First Amendment. Like, I defend their right to say it,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: 100%.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't agree with everything that Chappelle said about
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: the whole Kanye thing, you know? But I defend his
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: right to say it, you know?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: Because that's what jokes are.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. And sometimes I ask Melissa, I go,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: how do you think she would have reacted to this
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: huge change in our social what's okay from the last
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: 10 years since she's passed? It's just like, you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: and canceling people and not being able to say anything.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: And she's like, I think she would have loved it.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: because she would have been like, come for me, because
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to play this game.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: She never backed out.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of all of it. And she probably would have
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: been like, you know, I think she could have gotten
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: away with it more than other people just because she
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: always did and she was older.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: And she's the OG.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: But yeah.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: I'm so mad about, you saw the Tiger Woods thing
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: that happened, right, at Riviera?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: With the tampon. But why did he hand that guy
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: a tampon? They just were messing with each other?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: Tiger Woods is famous for messing with people. You know,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: farting in people's backswings or he'd be like, he'd be
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: walking down the fairway, he'd be like, here, can you
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: hold this for me? And he'd be an empty candy wrapper.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: You know, he's a frat boy at heart. Okay. So,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: Tiger Woods is much older than, Then I think it
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: was Justin Thomas. Okay. And the fact that Tiger out
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: drove his drive off the tee was calling him a bitch.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: You know, like I'm older than you. I hit the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: ball farther than you. Here's your tampon, which is a
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: legit joke. It shouldn't offend anybody.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Doesn't offend me.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: And I was reading other women. No women were offended.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: No women golfers were offended. And I know he's got
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: sponsors to take care of, but I would never, ever,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: I would have been like, I'm not apologizing for that joke.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: It's a legit joke. I handed him a tampon. If
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: you don't think it's funny, I'm sorry.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: But it was.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: did he have to say sorry he did a press.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: Conference and he says I deeply apologize if anyone was
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: offended and I'm just like you know the drugs and
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: the cheating on your wives I was fine with all
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: that you apologizing for the tampon joke I'm mad at
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: you now.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now I feel like that was not authentic because
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: you know you don't feel that way and it was funny. Wait,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I want to show this one little bit of her.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: This is when you guys are doing the show.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: Amazing. Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for coming. This was so fun.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: You have great stories. Tell everybody where they can follow you.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: Instagram and TikTok, Scott Nathan Photo. Pre-orders for the book
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: is baddecisionsbook.com, and you can get on the mailing list.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: And hopefully that's coming pretty soon.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: I will definitely read it and then have you back again.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: For when it's available.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate you guys.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you. This was great.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 8: The car is beautiful.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Where did you end up going for it?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: You have to put me in touch.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: What's it called?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: It's Dune ADL.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: Where?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Dune ADL.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: There's an accent on the E.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: Do you mean.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Lift?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, Kimmage.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.