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Caleb Williams struggles vs Vikings, Russell Wilson Cooked, Tyreek Hill trade rumors | 09.10 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. And it is that time of week where
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  Speaker 1: we have a guest join us, coming to us live
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  Speaker 1: from Yahoo Sports, covering the NFL. Nate Tice, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Not too much. Happy to be here. Happy to talk
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of week one. No more hypotheticals. No
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  Speaker 2: more preseason tape. No more, this is what this guy
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  Speaker 2: did in college.
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  Speaker 1: All that stuff that over here, we refuse to do.
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  Speaker 1: You people over here who live in this full-on football world,
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  Speaker 1: the thing about covering basketball, you basically take the summer off.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all get no time off. People can't get enough of
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  Speaker 1: y'all talking about football, whatever way it possibly comes.
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  Speaker 2: It's a whole month of list shows, and those shows
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  Speaker 2: become big. Those shows get you yelled at. and then
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  Speaker 2: takes it's like top 10 offenses i just want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about some offenses nope get yelled at about that
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  Speaker 2: and then you see the basketball people and they're like
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  Speaker 2: it's an international tournament these are fun players aren't they
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  Speaker 2: you know yeah i i know we even when the
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  Speaker 2: two months are supposed to be off turn into you
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  Speaker 2: know superlative season everyone debating and yelling but yeah you're
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  Speaker 2: right preseason tape gets extrapolated too that becomes a whole
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  Speaker 2: thing Fancy people planting flags saying this guy's all pro already.
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  Speaker 2: I try to take little things, but you go out
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  Speaker 2: there and people are just proclamations everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I refuse to watch any of it. I refuse to engage.
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  Speaker 1: I just know this is not going to be a win.
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  Speaker 2: No Hall of Fame game for Bo.
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  Speaker 1: Hell no, man. I'm going to throw something out here
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  Speaker 1: but for those of you who listen on audio, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: Last couple episodes, you shot them on the same day.
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  Speaker 1: I decided that, you know, it was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: got to throw on a shirt before I go do
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  Speaker 1: is just so you guys on YouTube know. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: saw your comments about my shirt being wrinkled. Number one,
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  Speaker 1: you were really right. I didn't quite realize how wrinkled
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  Speaker 1: it was. Perhaps I could have done something about it.
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  Speaker 1: But there's something about ironing to be in my house.
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  Speaker 1: You just don't really add up for me. But number two,
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, you hating motherfuckers. How about you
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  Speaker 1: just look at that shirt and imagine what it would
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  Speaker 1: You got that? How about that? You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, today I'm wearing the right time hoodie. You
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? But anyway, we'll get back to this football.
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  Speaker 1: Monday Night Football was interesting. The J.J. McCarthy era football.
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  Speaker 1: began in Minnesota and Caleb Williams on the other side. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is interesting because the world would have you believe
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  Speaker 1: beginning last year that Caleb Williams is going into the
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  Speaker 1: best situation that a rookie quarterback had ever gone into
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  Speaker 1: because they had receivers and they had a running back situation.
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  Speaker 1: And holy smokes, I move into this season and people
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  Speaker 1: are basically telling me that JJ McCarthy is walking into
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  Speaker 1: what is kind of the best situation a rookie quarterback
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  Speaker 1: has ever had, even though he's not a rookie, but
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  Speaker 1: he didn't play any games last year. First question for
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  Speaker 1: me is what you thought of McCarthy in that game?
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  Speaker 1: Because I felt like I was looking at an upper
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  Speaker 1: echelon of what those, the guys running that system want,
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  Speaker 1: which is a guy to do what you said. Just,
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  Speaker 1: it's just, if you do what I say, everything will
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  Speaker 1: be okay. He seemed to be operating according to that paradigm.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was.
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  Speaker 2: It's the, that offensive systems training wheels, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: the way to bumpers, you know, like a bowling alley.
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  Speaker 2: It's just really just to keep them on the rails
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  Speaker 2: throughout the game. And you see, I mean, the, Game script,
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  Speaker 2: or at least a game plan for the Vikings and
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  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell was first, second down run, third down. Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: we have a third and five and throw the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was very basic. There's a ton of play actions.
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  Speaker 2: There's a ton of stuff on the move. But where
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  Speaker 2: the appeal of McCarthy was, at least like in theory,
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  Speaker 2: when they drafted him was, oh, he's a pretty good athlete.
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  Speaker 2: So even if he's like Kirk Cousins as a thrower,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we can maybe do some run stuff. We
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  Speaker 2: can do some zone reads. And we saw the rushing touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: So like that was the appeal of J.J. McCarthy. But
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  Speaker 2: that first half was rough. I mean, you could tell
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  Speaker 2: it was moving fast for him. The Bears defense is
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  Speaker 2: pretty good. But I thought you mentioned the situation stuff
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  Speaker 2: and you mentioned all the pass catchers and everything. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought last year, that's why I thought I was
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  Speaker 2: going crazy when people were saying that about the Bears was,
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  Speaker 2: are we still we're still OK with this offensive line
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  Speaker 2: like that? That was OK. But then on the flip side,
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  Speaker 2: I actually had been saying this summer, I was like, well, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy is dropped into one of the best situations possible
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  Speaker 2: outside the left tackle because Derrissaw's hurt right now. But
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  Speaker 2: they added three new offensive linemen who all looked pretty
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  Speaker 2: good last night. Ryan Kelly, Will Fries, and Donovan Jackson
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  Speaker 2: from Ohio State in the first round who had some
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  Speaker 2: good moments last night. Kevin O'Connell still calling plays. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it is a great situation. I thought the best part
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  Speaker 2: about the Vikings game last night was the run game.
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  Speaker 2: And that's also to help out the young quarterback. hey,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to throw it every time. Hey, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to get you second and fives. Hey, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get you third and threes because the running game
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  Speaker 2: could be so good. So I did think that one
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  Speaker 2: of those good situations looked like a good situation last night,
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  Speaker 2: at least from the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you left out the best part of
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  Speaker 1: that biking situation, which is the dude playing football with
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  Speaker 1: a million dollars worth of jewelry around his neck. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I ain't going to lie. I would not roll the
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  Speaker 1: dice on playing the down of NFL football, right? But
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  Speaker 1: somebody out there saying to himself, I can get down
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  Speaker 1: there and get that chain and get off the field
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  Speaker 1: before anybody sees what time it is. Like, you got
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  Speaker 1: to have actual security if you're going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Only the quarterback need to be wearing a chain like
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  Speaker 1: that because the quarterback has actual security. Like, he has
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  Speaker 1: five security guards in front of him. Justin Jefferson, I
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  Speaker 1: could not believe that. Like, you out here doing something
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  Speaker 1: with that chain on.
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  Speaker 2: Also, like, every time they show them lined up, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when they do the close camera view. that
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  Speaker 2: thing was just glistening yes it was just i i'm
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  Speaker 2: sure the camera guy's like oh dang it zoom out
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  Speaker 2: zoom out too bright too bright too bright no too
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  Speaker 2: shiny i don't know how guys do that like prime
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  Speaker 2: did that back in the 90s and i always thought
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  Speaker 2: that was insane and that was just it was never
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  Speaker 2: a chain no no no it was just the one
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  Speaker 2: gold chain right right you just do the one gold
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  Speaker 2: chain right i i always thought that and that was
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  Speaker 2: insane back then like he was one of the first
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  Speaker 2: guys to do it then more guys did it you
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  Speaker 2: know throughout the aughts and stuff but now we're our
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  Speaker 2: I mean, well, Lamar's got the grill mouthpiece like these guys.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and that stuff's real. This is a big
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  Speaker 2: difference between Dante Culpepper walking up with a giant diamond
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  Speaker 2: pepper to the game and then taking it off before
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  Speaker 2: the game, as opposed to what these guys are doing.
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  Speaker 2: They're walking out and wearing it.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I have to say that as the pandemic hit,
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  Speaker 1: I believed that what we were going to hit was
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  Speaker 1: a time that gave people like a bit of reevaluation
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I thought that we were
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  Speaker 1: going to see a rejection of a certain level of
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  Speaker 1: materialism in society as we realized what the stakes were,
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  Speaker 1: what the world presented to us. But people were saving
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  Speaker 1: so much money staying at the crib. And then they
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  Speaker 1: sent out them checks that actually it turned on the
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  Speaker 1: afterburners for a level of conspicuous consumption. Like all these
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  Speaker 1: dudes got robbable chains on, right? Like the kind of
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  Speaker 1: chain that you can't just walk around I guess the
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  Speaker 1: 2021 World Series when the Braves had all them dudes
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  Speaker 1: with them chains was the sign of where this was
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  Speaker 1: going to go. Had no idea. But Justin Jefferson, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying my best to say Justin. I also saw
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  Speaker 1: y'all in the YouTube comments. He had a brother named Jordan.
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  Speaker 1: I'm at that age where I call you your brother's
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  Speaker 1: name like I'm a parent. Anyway, Justin Jefferson, he's... Let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you this about him. This is a serious
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  Speaker 1: question because I don't quite know it. He seems to
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  Speaker 1: just be really good at being really good, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know myself exactly what it is because he's probably
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  Speaker 1: the best receiver in the league right now, right? What
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  Speaker 1: is the thing he does?
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  Speaker 2: Uh body control like that's the thing is that he
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  Speaker 2: when he breaks in and out of stuff i think
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  Speaker 2: he's the best receiver in the game because he can
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  Speaker 2: legit do anything he can go deep he can run
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  Speaker 2: intermediate run over the middle take stuff short and get
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  Speaker 2: yak he can block like that was actually one of
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  Speaker 2: his things coming out of osu is that he was
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  Speaker 2: a good blocker um he can line up in the
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  Speaker 2: slot it's just one of those things that now he
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  Speaker 2: is he's not just a jack of all trades he's
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  Speaker 2: the king of all trades. Like he is a very
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  Speaker 2: good to elite at every part. His hand eye coordination
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  Speaker 2: is excellent. Um, his, you know, how his, how his
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  Speaker 2: body moves, like how he moves out of breaks is
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  Speaker 2: just so unique. Like he's able to turn with his
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  Speaker 2: legs facing one way, his upper body facing the other
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  Speaker 2: way and make a catch, which is, it's just this
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  Speaker 2: rare body control that he has. But, He's just insane,
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  Speaker 2: and I know he's wearing that chain because he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have to worry about playing Aqib Tlaib anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I think Aqib Tlaib would let him wear his chain.
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  Speaker 1: Tlaib's problem was not the chain. It was the man
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  Speaker 1: wearing the chain.
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  Speaker 2: I know my guy, Michael Crabtree.
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  Speaker 1: I spent two years with him in Oakland. I just
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel like he should be wearing that chain. And
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  Speaker 1: so he didn't even try to keep his chain. He
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  Speaker 1: just took the chain off of his neck. And this
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  Speaker 1: reminds me, for those of you who don't know, right now,
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  Speaker 1: Aqib Tlaib is working on Underdog, the people that do
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  Speaker 1: Gil's Arena. They've got a football arena. And among others,
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  Speaker 1: that show has Aqib Tlaib and Skip Bayless. And I
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  Speaker 1: know Jay Gruden is supposed to be on the show.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot going on there with that pairing.
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  Speaker 1: A lot going on. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because... The Jay and John Gruden, because they're both
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  Speaker 2: huge personalities. John is, they're definitely the big brother, little brother,
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  Speaker 2: you know, personalities too. Jay is a shitster. He will
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  Speaker 2: say whatever. Whatever comes to his mind. He tweets whatever
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  Speaker 2: comes to his mind. He doesn't care about like going out.
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  Speaker 2: Him and RG3 were going at it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Jay Gruden, he's given up on getting another job. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That is the impression that I get from him.
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  Speaker 2: Which I actually like.
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  Speaker 1: Right, like whatever the jobs are that might be available
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  Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. He has decided, like a guy like
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  Speaker 1: Rex Ryan, for example. Rex Ryan could get a job
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: He's playing footsie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he doesn't want to be a defensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody's going to put him in
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  Speaker 1: charge anymore. Jay Gruden, I think, has just decided, nope,
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  Speaker 1: the jobs they give, I don't know what he does
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  Speaker 1: for money or how much money he has, but he'd
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  Speaker 1: just be out here saying any damn thing. He means it.
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  Speaker 2: And he does.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I know.
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  Speaker 2: That's why, again, I appreciate it. That's why if you
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  Speaker 2: ever want to know so many players and former coaches' analysis,
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  Speaker 2: other than that a lot of them don't pay attention
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  Speaker 2: to the game as much as they should, is a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them are just, well, that's my buddy. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's my, you know, oh, I played with him in college. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's my coach that I worked with. That's why we
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: vacationed together in Destin, Florida, where all the coaches have
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  Speaker 2: their vacation homes. Like, you know, they have those kind
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  Speaker 2: of connections still. It's actually kind of freeing for me.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as my dad got out of the league,
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  Speaker 2: I was like.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: All right. You know, these motherfuckers didn't give me a job.
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  Speaker 2: So get ready.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so that is freeing. And Jay's just always
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  Speaker 2: been like that. He's the loose cannon. And even as
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  Speaker 2: a coach, he had that. Remember they came up with
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  Speaker 2: the picture of him, you know, smoking a J outside
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  Speaker 2: the bar. You know, so it's like, you know, stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And he just owned it. Like, he doesn't even care
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  Speaker 2: about it. I don't know. I appreciate that kind of analysis.
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  Speaker 2: If it's not just Toll always just going, you know.
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  Speaker 2: going into the doldrums and, you know, crap talking a
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  Speaker 2: little bit to everybody, at least just like a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of like a little bit of sides are pretty fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I will say no industry is quite as protective of,
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  Speaker 1: I know that guy and Twitter has made it the
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  Speaker 1: worst because of the flimsy ties, but ties nonetheless in
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  Speaker 1: my business. Oh, Yeah, like.
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  Speaker 2: We all snitch tags.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we all kind of know each other, right? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But we don't really know each other, so we do
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  Speaker 1: not hold each other to proper account. When we didn't
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: all kind of know each other, then we was, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this too. Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty safe on mine or on my show where
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, he's not going to listen to this show.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Ain't nothing safe for me, big dog. I got, there's
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: the people making industry out here, hawking my shit just,
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  Speaker 1: just to see if something go wrong, but I'll bring
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  Speaker 1: it back to the football. I'll bring it back to
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  Speaker 1: the football, that same game. Um, Caleb Williams. Um, I read,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I've told people before, I think Tyler Dunn's
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  Speaker 1: newsletter is really, really good. Like shockingly thorough to be
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  Speaker 1: a newsletter. It feels more like a magazine than anything else. Um,
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  Speaker 1: And Buddy, they brought the hammer down on the Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Williams era. On the Bears in general, though I think
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: Ryan Poles, the general manager, is probably one that catches
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  Speaker 1: it the worst. It did feel like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: scorned people were offering up their information. But the particulars
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  Speaker 1: on Caleb Williams as a figure in the facility and
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  Speaker 1: in the locker room, I don't think we can leave
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  Speaker 1: alone for now. What I did find to be interesting, though,
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  Speaker 1: was their... Their expression that, A, he didn't seem to
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  Speaker 1: be one who listened too much or took too kindly
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  Speaker 1: to coaching. But number two, what seemed to be very
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  Speaker 1: clear was he was dropping back and didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: it was that he was looking at. Like, I did
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  Speaker 1: not realize he took 68 sacks last season. And I
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  Speaker 1: am a firm believer of the Aaron Schatz theory. Sacks
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  Speaker 1: are a quarterback statistic. You took 68 stats. And you
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: go look at just about any quarterback and go look
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  Speaker 1: at their stats every year. The numbers are going to
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  Speaker 1: be clustered. They're going to be the same, right? The lines,
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  Speaker 1: those lines aren't always bad. No, some guys just take
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  Speaker 1: a long time to throw. He takes a long time
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  Speaker 1: to throw. I heard people say they thought that he
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  Speaker 1: looked very good in the first half and then he
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  Speaker 1: looked worse in the second half. I did not think
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  Speaker 1: he looked very good in the first half. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it looked like he was dropping back and checking down
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  Speaker 1: a lot and not realizing some of the things that
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  Speaker 1: may have been available down the field. And then in
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  Speaker 1: the second half, Brian Flores decided to be like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: enough fucking around. and decided to get into his head.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't, I don't know how much cause there
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: is for optimism with where the Caleb Williams experience is
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  Speaker 1: going to go. And I'm also not sure if they're
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  Speaker 1: coaching to what he does best, but I have a
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  Speaker 1: hard time believing Ben Johnson with his big brain would
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  Speaker 1: be so locked into what he's doing to not try
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  Speaker 1: to make some level of adaptation to the quarterback that
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  Speaker 1: he has. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I've been curious to see. This is
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  Speaker 2: where I know I joked about the preseason stuff that
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to like extrapolate from all right what
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  Speaker 2: did i see in the preseason all right now what
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  Speaker 2: i see in week one and ben johnson i do
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: i do have trust in like i do think this
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: guy is very smart i do think this guy's very
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: thorough and i do think he's the right coach for
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: caleb because some of those guys have personalities like a
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: guy like caleb and again this is i've never met
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: caleb williams i've never met ben johnson um but just
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: context of stuff or just reading of the context is
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: some of these guys that have big personalities and maybe
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: reportedly think they know it all and give coaches hard times.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: They're kind of like a toddler testing boundaries going like,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: can I get away with this? Can I get away
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: with this? And sometimes those, those guys, they don't think
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: they like hard coaching, but they need hard coaching. They
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: need a big personality to kind of get after them
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: and hold them accountable. Not let them go away on
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: any BS and everything. And so what I've been trying
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: to look at is Ben Johnson seems to be trying
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: to find plays that work with Caleb. Caleb is shorter.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: He's sub six, two. And if you just look at
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: the history of the game, and I know everyone just
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: always gets mad at me when I bring this up.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Short guys don't throw it over the middle. The only
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: one that did is Drew Brees. And actually, the one
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: that does it the best right now is Bryce Young,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: who does not look good overall. But he can at
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: least throw over the middle. That is just the weakness
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: of being short. It's not batted balls. It's that. But
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: when you run what I think Ben Johnson wants to do,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of runs, play action off the runs, down
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: the field stuff. Play action works best with stuff over
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: the middle. Cause that's what you're affecting with a run
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: play is the linebackers coming up, the safety's coming up.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: So then you attack behind them. It's just physics. But
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: if you're not attacking over the middle, all right, what
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: are we, what are we trying to fake at? You know,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: what are we trying to affect here? So Ben Johnson
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: to me seemed like he was doing more outbreaking routes.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Cause then, okay, kill has got a hose and was
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: thrown to the outside. Outside throws are a little bit
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: more space, less mistakes happen. If I miss, I can
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: just miss towards the sideline. Throwing over the middle is harder.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: If I make a mistake, tip ball pick. If I
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: make a mistake, it's just at a guy's feet. A
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: guy can get batted down by a linebacker. All these
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: things can happen. There's more risk, but there's way more reward.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: But the thing with Caleb is he's missing those throws.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: And that's what's scary to me. Because I am a guy,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I'm a little different to you. I have a little
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: more optimism with Caleb, but I thought it would just
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: be a little bit more than what we saw in
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: this game. Because the opening drive, yeah, there's one or
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: two moments. But then, like you said, there's some scramble
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: moments or check down moments. And that's what I can't
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: wait to watch when I rewatch this game later this week,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: like film-wise, is that what was the back end looking like?
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Is it just because you weren't anticipating and that's why
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: it was closed and that's why you're checking down? Or
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: are those guys truly covered? I'm going to guess that
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: he wasn't anticipating because just the rhythm of the plays.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I think Roman Doomsday is a good player. I think
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: DJ Moore is a good player. I trust, again, what
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's designing. So, yeah, there's a couple times I'm
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: sure he made the right decision. It's good that he's
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: going through the check down and good that he's doing
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: those things. But, man, you got to– it's three seconds
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: or less. Like that's how quickly you have to make
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a decision as a quarterback. And it just seems to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: me it's three and a half for him, four for him.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Great that you can do all this creation stuff, but, like, man,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: he still has to get better from the pocket. So
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: that's just the– I got to rewatch this game. But
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the first half, that first drive opening script, yeah. But
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: when the defense adjusted, they started sending blitzes. Like if
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: you put that on tape that you can't handle blitzes,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Hold on to your hat because here comes the heat
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: every single week. And that was like the discouraging part
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: about it, I thought.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, I get the feeling. I
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: felt this way about Baker Mayfield, though they are very
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: different quarterbacks. But Baker Mayfield, to a lesser degree, but
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: he was college athletic.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? He still thinks he's athletic.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had athleticism that it took to make
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: plays in college.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: That's a great point.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And I think that Williams had the athleticism to make.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: And if you're going to play off schedule or more accurately,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think the issue here is playing off schedule.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: The issue is playing late, right? Like if you're going
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to be running late, you got to really have this
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: added dimension to be able to pull that off and
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: still be good. Case in point, Cam Newton, a touch late.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But with the arm that he had and the body
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: that he had and everything else, he was still throwing
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: dudes open, right? Still making it happen at that point.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like the athleticism that Williams had, I mean,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget that first game, the game that he
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: took over Spencer Rattler against Texas, and he was jumping
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: off the screen with that athletic ability. I think Deshaun Watson,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: at his best, is a great example of this, of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a guy that was college athletic. Now you're going to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: have to play a bit more on time. to get
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: this done. And I don't know, you know quarterbacking way
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: better than I ever would. Is that something? that like,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: like how often somebody becomes that?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: They got to be in there. It's got to be
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: ingrained because they've won. Every quarterback wins differently. And that's
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: what I know. I'm not just explaining this to you,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: but just, and I think that's the misconception is that
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: even like, you know, this brings you back to the
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Jalen hurts conversation. where it's just that everyone, well, oh,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: is he top 10 quarterback, top five quarterback? And the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: argument is there's others that can do what he does well,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: but then other weakness, everybody has a weakness. All these
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: guys have a weakness to it and they have a
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: way to win. And the fact that Caleb so far
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: in what, five years I've watched him has been winning
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the exact same way. And then he comes into his
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: second year as the pros trying to win the same way.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: That is a little scary. They can get better though.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Like I do think you can get better, but the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: thing is he's always going to have this in the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: back of his head. This is my, you know, the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I call it the freak conundrum, not conundrum, but like
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the freak threshold. Like if you're going to win that way,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you have to be big and or and or you
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: have to be fast and or you have to have
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: an arm because that's where traits come into play. That's
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: where size and arm strength. And like you said, Cam
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Newton would be a second late and have that elongated motion.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. He had a hose.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Boom.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Hit it right there.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Every guy I always bring up when I'm on the show,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Dante Culpepper. OK, he was very accurate. But he can
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: be a little late sometimes. Guess what? He's 260 running
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: a 4-6. So it didn't matter. He could shed a
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: sack and create a play off that. That's where traits
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: come in. This is the Shadur Sanders argument as well.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Why I was low on Shadur, why we saw him
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: not take a hold of any reps is because he
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't very big, didn't have a very strong arm, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: wasn't very athletic. That gives you room for error if
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you do make a mental mistake, if you are mentally
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit slow. That's what those traits do. Purdy
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: can play like Purdy because he has Shanahan, who's letting
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: him get rid of the ball right away. Same with
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: guys like Goff. Those guys have to play on time.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: So I do think Caleb will speed it up, but
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: it is a little worrisome that this is still just
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: in his moment, or still in his kind of head
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: to play this way if the first read isn't perfectly open.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And then he wants to progress. There's times where I
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: see him moving and progressing, but he's not shortcutting anything.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: And that's the next step to NFL quarterback play. Yes,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: technically plays go one to two to three to four
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: to five sometimes. But really, I shortcut it to the
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: three because I know it's cover two and I have
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to get to the backside dig. Or it's cover three
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and I know they're doing this, this, and that, so
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I have to get to this route. That's what the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: advanced guys do. Watch freaking Matthew Stafford play this weekend
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: and watch him shortcut everything. And last thing, though, tying
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: in with Baker, Caleb also throws the ball way too hard.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: He's got it. He's got to tempo that stuff down.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's that guy. He's Sean Dustin. Oh, my God.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And that's what Baker does, too. They throw everything one
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: speed as hard as they freaking can. Penix is like
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: this as well. Everything as hard as they can every time.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And got to have a little layering. Got to have
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a little bit of touch on these throws. You got
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to be able to throw a changeup or a curveball
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: just to help yourself out.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: So it's funny you put Penix in there because I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: was just about to say, ah, short guy behavior. Kyler
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Murray on the same list. He's pumping. He's firing. He's
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: throwing some pepper every time.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Baseball player. That's it, too. Doesn't throw in the middle either.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: That's actually who, when we, in the prospects, I like
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: him as a prospect. I was a Drake May number
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: one guy, which everyone made fun of at the time.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: But now everyone's gone. Like, oh, Drake. I had Drake
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: May at number one. Yes. B.S. B.S. I kept notes
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: on it. I have a list of this, of everyone
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that got after me. was when Caleb was coming out.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I was kind of saying what his, with their high-end comparisons,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: with their middle comparisons, with their low-end ones, my middle
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: comparison was like, it's kind of like a big Kyler.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: That was kind of like what I think he most
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: likely ends up looking like. And I'm watching him like, Yeah,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of Big Kyler, but he's also
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: not throwing the deep ball like Kyler does.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was about to say.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: That's also concerning.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Here's the problem. Big Kyler is like John Elway. Big
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Kyler is like the greatest quarterback that you've ever had.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But I still say what makes Kyler Murray not good,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: or that's not fair, but not what we want him
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to be, doesn't feel like size problems. Nope, nope. All
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the stuff. He is so fast. His arm is so strong.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: All of that. Right. He just did just something there.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: He's second late on stuff. Yep. Yep. I'm a Kyler sympathizer. I, I,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: because I, he wants to be a real boy. Like
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: he wants to be a real quarterback. And it's just like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: He's just– I mean, this weekend's game was frustrating. If
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you're down on Kyler, this would be a good one
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: to rewatch back. But it was one of those where
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: it's just like he can't just always just have a
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: consistent game where he does it all perfect. He'll have
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: a drive or a half where it's like there's a
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: quarterback right there, and then he takes a sack in
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the red zone or takes a sack to put on
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: third down to knock you out of field goal range,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: and you're like– Come on, Kyler.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I need you, buddy. Yeah, well, I take this right
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: fast before we go to break. And I don't know
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: if I can do this without us just going on
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and on about it. But I'll try to do this.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: If there is a guy who has the physical traits
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to buy being just a little bit late, like he's
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: often late. It happens very it just doesn't matter because
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: sending extra rushers don't matter because they bounce off of
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: him like there's a force field. That would be number
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: 17 in Buffalo. He can buy all the time in
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the world. Watching through the years, you're not bringing him
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: down with number 34.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Right right right yeah 34 it better be 58 yeah
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: number 22 72 yeah and not one of these guys
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: that wants to be cool and we're a little man
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: number being a big man that's not who it's gonna
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: take to bring him down number 73 is gonna have
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: to come in there and get.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Something done insane isn't he i can't believe it like
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: where do you have them like meant like i mean
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: we probably have you have a little bit before me
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: but like we have overlap a lot of our football
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: timelines like yeah.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: It's first of all, it's the biggest bet that anybody
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: has ever cashed in in the history of the NFL.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yes. Period.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Like this is a look. It took time. They wrote
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: it out. Like he wound up in a great situation
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: for him. And look, people get mad at me when
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I talk about this, but I think it's undeniably true.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: When you look at the coverage, it really helps when
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: everybody wants it for you, whether it was local, whether
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: it was everywhere else, teammates afforded him the patience to,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: for the first two or two and three years to get,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, to get to where it was. Cause he stunk.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Like we were not wrong when he said he stunk. Nah,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: it's never been like this before. And then on top
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of it, everybody likes him.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Loves him. That was my, so I, I liked him
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: as a prospect, but I was like, this is like
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: one out of a hundred. This works, but like, Hey,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: he seems like a good kid. Like all this stuff
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: that first his rookie year, he scored a touchdown. And
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the entire sideline and the team went and celebrated with
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: him going nuts. And I was just like, huh, that's interesting.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I remember where I was sitting. I think I had
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: just moved here to Vegas. And I remember just being like,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: that's interesting. They really like him. Huh, there might be
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: something to this. And then I think it was 2019
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: comes in. Still spraying stuff. But like, I had a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: couple moments. And then now we were watching him. This
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: dude's changing protections like Peyton Manning in his prime.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: And then, and then.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And then throwing a guy off of him and launching
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a throw 45 yards. And it's just like, I mean,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: he's maxed out on everything. 99 overall, 99 overall.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: But he'll still panic every now and then, right? Like
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson looked excellent in that game, by the way.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Excellent in that game. You got a whole, and Josh
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: is still giving you a chance to do a game.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Stafford's a guy like that. My Stafford comp that makes
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: people mad, but it's the truth. Carson Palmer was that guy.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: If you take advantage of the chances they'll give you
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to win the game, you might got a chance, right?
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: But otherwise, man, it's about to be some hell to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: pay out here.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Or it could go south very quickly if that high
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: wire act hits.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: But I saw Stafford made a throw across the field,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm not a Stafford guy. But what he can do.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Watch him on Sunday.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Woo! Good God, he looked good.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: That dude doesn't even move, and he... He's throwing sidearm
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: throws 40 yards on a rope. Well, yeah, Sever's one
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of those guys, like all those quarterback guys just kind
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: of like laugh at because it's just like, well, yeah,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I can't do that. Like, but he can. He threw
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a no look, no look seam ball 30 yards, like
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: 28 yards down the field on a rope as he
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: was getting hit. But as he's getting hit, like he's backwards.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: He's kind of like, you can't see my feet right now,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: but they're kind of parallel to the line of scrimmage.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And he's flat footed, getting hit. no looking the linebacker
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and then throwing a seam ball at 25 yards. If
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: a guy did any one of those things, that's like
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: highlight worthy. And he did like three of the hardest things. Like, yeah, he,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: his high end stuff. But the thing is, he also
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: gets hit once in the next play. It looks like
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: he came hobbling across.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: He's another one. Once again, he, his patience game was
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: different because he was good enough to be a starter
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and he got that patience. He got the patience where
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: he's going to maybe go into the hall of fame
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: with all of three pro bowl appearances, like the comp
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Carson Palmer. I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: The Super Bowl is probably going to take it there.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: But I don't know anybody that has consistently gotten better
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: for 15 years. Yep.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Because this is year 17 for him.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Entered at 20. 09. In 09. This is year 17
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: for him. And as much as people put the he
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: played for Detroit thing, yeah, damn. Got stuck throwing to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson. um like it wasn't it wasn't yeah yeah
• 29:43
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• 31:15
  Speaker 1: We are back with Nate Tice. You know, Russell Wilson
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: had a bad game against the commandos because Daybold could
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: not say definitively that he was going to start the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: next game. And then he came back out and after
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: watching the film, decided that he is going to start
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: in week two, which I take to be a, we
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: watched the film and Russell Wilson was bad, but so
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: was everybody else. And we're not going to sacrifice anything
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: this quarterback that we say we're high on, um, in
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: order to just throw him on the field early. Cause look,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think they have any good quarterbacks. I don't
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: think they have anything to gain for putting Jackson dart
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: out there, except to tell the veterans we're not giving
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: up on the season, right? Like that to me is
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the only thing that you have to gain from doing that,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: which I think is a value. It matters. I'm not
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the one that has to manage these guys on a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: day-to-day basis, but you played in college with Russell Wilson.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I covered Russell Wilson when he was at his first college, um,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Party's over, guys.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with Noah O'Line. It's just... Him without an
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: offensive line is never going to be pretty.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Well, tell me this. Best case scenario on Russell Wilson
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: is kind of what you're hoping for Caleb Williams, right? Yeah.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Although Caleb Williams is bigger, they play in similar ways,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: but also Russell Wilson was a different caliber of athlete.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Russell was just so much more creative. Russ scrambled to
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: launch a 40-yard deep ball. You know what I mean?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Caleb was... scrambling to like either you know run a
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: little bit but also just throw like more line drive
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: underneath stuff so how they even like what they get
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to is different like that's the thing about Russ you
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: could take those sacks because the very next play he
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: might be launching a thing 40 yards down the field
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and that you can win taking sacks like I'll say
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: this again but you have to generate explosives and that's
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the Caleb conundrum he's a single Caleb right now is
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: playing like a singles and doubles hitter that takes a
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: bunch of strikeouts That's not– that math doesn't– I don't
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: want Ichiro taking 200 strikeouts.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: You know, like that math doesn't work out for quarterbacks.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: But like Russ, prime Russ at least, or Wisconsin Russ,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: it was– we had a great run game that kept
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: us on schedule. But then it was like– I mean,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: our 2011 Wisconsin offense was legitimately one of the best
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: offenses in like recent history.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Well, what you're talking about is should have won the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Heisman Russ except for people who don't remember that season.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Two insane Hail Marys are the only reason Russell Wilson
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: did not win that Heisman. And if those don't happen,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: by the way, Russell wins that Heisman and not Robert Griffin,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: which would make your current life a lot less annoying.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Hey, you got another Fox gig.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me tell you, Robert Griffin doesn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: win that Heisman. A whole lot of things about life
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: are much different.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Russ didn't even get into the Heisman ceremony. Monte Ball did.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But no, they had, well, Kirk Cousins threw the crazy
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: one in Michigan State and Braxton Miller. through the everybody
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: cries because Ohio State finally did something good that year.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: It was literally two from the 50-yard line Hail Marys
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: in a year where Russell Wilson had something like 37
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: touchdowns and four interceptions, and they went to the Rose
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Bowl and all of that. He was that guy. I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: remember I was doing Around the Horn the day that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: it was announced that he was going to Wisconsin, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: it was funny because I went to the studio to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: do Around the Horn and who was there but Russell Wilson.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the interview.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he did one of the shows right beforehand.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: And so I remember I'm on the call, and most
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of those guys didn't follow college football on a granular level,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: certainly not at a level at which they knew what
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: was going on at NC State. And I remember the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: question was asked on the call. It was like, can
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: they win a national championship? I said, if what you're
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: telling me is Wisconsin needs a quarterback to win a
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: national championship, the answer is get ready. Like, yes, they
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: got the guy.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: He came in. And how Bielma recruited him. It was
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: one of these things, too. As a quarterback there, he
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: took two throws, and I was like, yeah, I get it, guys.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: But he came in, and Bielma was genius how he
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: recruited him. The only players he met was the starting
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: offensive line. And so he was like, and Russ is Russ.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Russ wants to be the president. And so in his head,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: he's like, all right, what gets me to the NFL?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: What are my biggest questions? He was very aware about this. Well,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: people say I can't throw over an NFL offensive line
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: because I'm so short. All right, let's go. Let's go
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: behind these these big dudes and I'll prove I'll prove
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: them all wrong. But that's what Bealmo's genius. He was like, hey,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: you're going to go here. Look at these guys. These
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: guys are all going to the NFL.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: You can prove it here.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Like, watch out. And oh, my God, that that offense
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: was so sick because even in the back, we were
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: able to redshirt Melvin Gordon because we didn't even need him.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin was able to redshirt Melvin Gordon. That's how talented
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: we were that year. But yeah, James White, Monty Ball.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Monty tied the touchdown record. And James White came in.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: He was great.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Should have been Super Bowl MVP.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Should have been Super Bowl MVP. At least he got
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the truck, I think, right? Didn't Tom Brady give him
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: the truck? I should have James. He's doing some media stuff, too.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: We have the same agent. I should have James. He's
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: a great dude. But no, we actually had two NFL
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: receivers that year. Nick Toon. Al Toon's son and Jared Aberderis.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: But it was just one of the– like that Michigan State–
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I can't believe you remember that. The Kirk Cousins Hail Mary. Bullshit,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: by the way. So he scores. They say– they ruled
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it incomplete. Or they ruled it that he didn't score
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: at first. And then they reviewed it. And the angle
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that they used was like on the line of scrimmage.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: You know, like camera on the line of scrimmage to
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: see if he passed– broke the plane. It was off-angled.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Like it was at the one-yard line and tilted. It
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: wasn't down the line. And to this day, I'm like, no,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that's inconclusive.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Has to be 100% without a doubt. I remember it.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And then the Braxton Miller. Oh, my God. I can't
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: believe you're bringing it. Now these are.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Just wounds, man.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: These are just.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: What are my favorite?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: We won at Bama that year. We were like, hey,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: we got this this year. If JJ Watt came back
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: that year, we were definitely rolling.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: And then we had one of the greatest games ever,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: that Big Ten championship game against Michigan State.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite sub-jobbers of content is people mad
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: at things that happened 15 years ago like they just
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: happened this morning.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: You detailed it. You mentioned the names, and that's actually
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: what I heard. And as the backup quarterback, I'm right
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: there at the line of scrimmage, so I'm watching that
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: throw go off and going, they're not going to catch that, right?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: They're not going to catch that, right? They're not going
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: to catch that, right? We just lost. Michigan State Stadium sucks.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: It's got the bathroom. They have like three showers for
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: 100 people. It's tight. They have two yards of sideline
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: from you to the fans. Oh, my God.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You're just really.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: So I'll make the nice transition for you.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Are you buying into Jackson Dart because I have a
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: pretty safe rule? Drafted in the 20s? Nope. Not for
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. No way.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Don't, I'm not very high on him. I think he's,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I think he's okay. I kind of has some Heineke
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: to him. I got kind of a Heineke plus kind
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: of a runaround guy. I thought he would talk about
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: taking a second to, to process, you know, like he
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: takes a second to throw. He's got, he's got tools.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: That was one thing. He's a good runner. Well, he's
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: pretty athletic. He's got pretty good arm. His deep ball
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: dies on him a little bit, but it was one
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: of those where everyone's comparing him to Josh Allen and stuff.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, if he was like Josh Allen, he's going
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: top 10. Like, you know, Josh Allen's Josh Allen. Like,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: the tools were a step down. And Josh Allen was
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: able to win early on because his tools were top
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: of the line. We just laughed about it, 99 overall
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: and everything, even before he figured everything out. No, Dart
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to me, he's tough. He's going to make some cool plays.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, everything's just always a count slow.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: And on plays that he's familiar with, with a guy
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: that has a lot of reps. So that was my worst.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I had a third-round grade on him. Like, you know, okay,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: take a shot. Make him sit. I'm scared of him
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: playing behind that offensive line, too, because he takes a
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: lot of sacks.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, man. These guys need to get something before Malik
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Neighbors completely loses it. I've never seen a player this
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: young feel this way before. Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's been a while. It's been a while. Maybe Keyshawn.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Keyshawn just put that book out and said that, but
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: we did not have the examples of Keyshawn.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Just, oh my God, what is going on? And he's
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: like dancing with Jaden Daniels before the game. They're like
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: having fun, like high-fiving. And then the game starts, he
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: looks at his quarterback and he's just like this. I
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: didn't see that either.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Look, so he had to deal with like Daniel Jones
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and everybody else. And what's that boy? Tommy DeVito. He
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: was on the team, right? He got all of that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: At some point, New York City, look, New York City,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: it seems to be enjoying the idea of Jameis Winston
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: right now. At some point, he's going to get on
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the field. And I just can't wait to see Brian
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Dable's head explode when that happens.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: With that offensive line. Did you see Dable's, their first
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: red zone play or first play at the goal line?
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: What they did?
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: No, I did not.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: They ran like a play action. They had an offensive
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: lineman running like a legit route into the back of
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the end zone. But it was so funny because usually
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: teams do that. Like they set it up for weeks. hey,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: this is our big– hey, we got extra offensive linemen.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: We have extra offensive linemen. We're going to run the ball,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: run the ball. And they did it on the first
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: goal line play of the year. So you could tell
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: like Dayball was really trying to like you know, a
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: little pizzazz to start the season and Washington covers it
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: up like a glove. Like, I mean, they just, I mean,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: just are all over it. So it just looks like
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: the stupidest play. There's an offensive lineman running a 10
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: yard route, trying to juke a DB and he doesn't
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: get it, but that's what that's.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I did see that play at the goal line. I
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: was at Nick's house and I was like, Hey man,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: that looked like he was supposed to run a route.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He did. It was in the bag. Okay. I thought
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I saw him go.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Whew.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: With your shoulder and then take it back outside. I'm like, no,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: he's just supposed to be there and be fat.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: No, he was trying to run a fricking route. First,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: first goal I'd play in the year.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: It killed me.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Cause that's the thing. My thing with Dable is that
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: he has media friends and he reads everything. And it
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: just seems like he does a lot of things performatively.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: That's how my read on him. Everything's kind of performative
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: with him. Like he, Oh, you know, I love my quarterback. Like,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and he's like getting all giddy about him and saying
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: all these things in the preseason. It's like really about
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: what he did right there.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Cause he knows he needs that dark to be decent,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: to save his job. Like, you know, so of course
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: he's going to be selling these things. Like he he's
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: selling a lot. He's like, Oh, I got my Josh Allen.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, again, I'm never going to compare anybody
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: to Josh Allen ever. And, and also the progression of
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. And also, again, you can't compare these two
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: guys because their tools are so different. They want, Again,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: one maxes out the scales and one's more like, good.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: But there's a big difference between maxing out the scale,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: A +, and a B. That's a pretty big difference.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: So that's what– it's kind of been funny with the Giants.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: It's like they're telling themselves a lot of things, and
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: they have one of the hardest schedules, and I think
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: they're going to struggle to win a lot of games.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of coaches, I don't know football on this
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: level in the way that I know basketball, right? But
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: with basketball, especially at the professional level, it takes very
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: little for a coach to lose a team. And the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: example I talk about on this show a lot, I
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: found out about a team where in practice, there was
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: a coach who had moved up to the pros from college,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and he called five seconds on the dribbler, which is
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a college call and not a professional call. And he
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: did that in training camp, in a practice, and it
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: was over. He lost them right then and there, right? Right.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Brian Callahan stood in front of God and everybody else
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and said that he did not challenge a catch in
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: a game that was very clearly a catch by his
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: guys in a game they had a chance to win.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: And he did not challenge it because he knew that
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: an arm or a hand being down was not the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: same as two feet being down. Now, I want to
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: say two things. Number one, it says it specifically in
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the rule book that any body part is the equivalent
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of two feet. But number two, even if you didn't
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: know the rules, if you are of Brian Callahan's age
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: or in that ballpark, and let me look it up
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: because I feel like he is not too young to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: understand what I'm about to say. A lot of us
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: grew up with some pretty solid John Maddenisms. And the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: biggest one is one hand is the same as two feet.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: And he did not know this. In a basketball context,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you should start looking for your new coach tomorrow because
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: these guys are checked out on this because I'm checked
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: out on him after this.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Even Cam Ward seemed like he was like, oh my God,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: what am I dealing with here? It was very disappointing
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: as hopefully one of the good Nepos. It was pretty disappointing,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: but that's the point of the upside of a Nepo
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: in theory. is well they have more exposure they have
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: more reps at this stuff they have more you know
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: they they pick this stuff up at seven i was
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: spotting footballs and reading scripts from nine years old on
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: it's like and it did help me hearing conversations you
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: just mentioned the madden thing when you just watch these
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: games you just learn it through osmosis i mean any
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: of us that do anything that we like or hobbies
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: or anything that's what's disappointing it's like he should know
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: stuff like the back of his hand like he should
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: know these rules like like that like everybody kind of
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: that one's pretty That's like a 201 level football knowledge thing.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's not like some advanced
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: thing like a rip move negates holding penalties. You know,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: like that's pretty advanced. I understand people not understanding that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Coach's kid, but also, and this is more indicative of anything,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: and maybe just of the coaching or just their system
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: there in Tennessee too, is a lot of these coaches
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: that even if they might not know the rule, they
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: have a guide. that knows the rules. And then they
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: have a line of communication that can get to them
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: and go like, Hey, we got to challenge us. Hey,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: we got to do this because of this, this and that.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: So that's, what's indicative of like, that's more negative to
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: me than anything that not one person either had the
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: trust or one person was enabled. One person thought they
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: had the confidence to go like, Hey, we should challenge
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: this or we should do this. That that's, that's really
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: scary to me, but I love your five seconds call
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: because I know, especially with NBA guys, they're, They're looking
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: for that stuff.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: And I heard about, who's the guy that came over from,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that was LeBron's coach in Cleveland, not Ty Lue or anything.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're talking about David Blatt.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: David Blatt.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I heard some stories about that kind of happening too.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Same exact kind of thing where he, supposed to be
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: a very smart basketball mind, but had some moments where
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: he didn't realize it was the NBA rules. They kind
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: of lost some people some things. But no, I'm glad
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: you brought up the Tennessee thing because I've just been like,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: There's no arguing for it. There's no justification of it all.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And also it makes it worse because he should, of
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: all people, be a rules genius, savant, because of just
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: being around the game with his dad on the staff
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: at offensive line coach and Bill Calhoun. So yeah, very
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: disappointing and brewing the Nepo. the netbook name for all of.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Us i will say this also i watched a decent
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: bit of that game you know watching with all the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: screens and i felt like i got a decent look
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: at a lot of the action there um i thought
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: their quarterback looked good i don't care what the numbers
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: said i thought cam ward looked really good he looked
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: like he was out there for dolo but i thought
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: he looked good i'm a big fan.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: He's he's one i liked and then i did my
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: i usually do a big evaluation scouting study on all
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the top quarterbacks and he used one after I did
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: that and watched seven games and looked at numbers and
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: everything I'm like this guy's just good like I don't
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: know why we're saying oh yeah it's just a bad
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: class that's why he's going number one it's like no
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: this guy's like he's got some stuff to him I
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I compare I've been comparing him to Rodney Mullen I
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: don't know what your skateboarding knowledge is uh but Rodney
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Mullen invented the kickflip amongst other tricks. And what was
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: cool about Rodney Mullen was he would do these advanced
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: looking crazy things, but his fundamentals were so good that
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: that let him do those crazy things to invent things.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And Cam Ward, because he does all the trick shots,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: and I think some people are maybe misconstruing how he
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: actually plays. Dude is so smart. He's got great timing.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: He's got great creativity, but it keeps him on time.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: So he can throw sidearm. He can like kind of
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: just do these extra things but it's to be consistent
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: which i think is really kind of special uh but
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: no he looked good he had a couple throws good
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: process he took a couple sacks but it's whatever um
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: it's denver defense which might be number one defense this
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: year too uh he took he had a couple moments
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: that were like that's some really good process even if
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: the results weren't weren't there so i'm with you i
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: think even the numbers weren't great i thought he looked
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Now as we start winding this down um one i'm
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: trying to imagine your big ass on a skateboard and
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: two um Ryan said in text, I think it's pretty
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: funny about this, which is, you know, Brian Daybold's out
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: here looking like he'll be Alabama's offensive coordinator next year
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: under Lane Kiffin. Number one, I cannot imagine a more
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: combustible mix than Brian Daybold and Lane Kiffin. But also,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: don't forget, Daybold won a national championship as the offensive
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: coordinator in Alabama, and everybody was ready for him to go.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: it was and meanwhile he's like if you would have
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: just started to in the first place like i wanted
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: to we'd have been just fine that was a wild
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: season when you really stop and look back on it
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: what happened there but no they won't they won't be
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: talking crazy to people like you see it during games
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: i'm like you're not tall enough to talk to me
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: like that well no he's.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Got his big truck that's right that's a big truck
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: that needs five steps to get out of. He, uh, no, he,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: he's got, he was a Belichick saving guy. So it's
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: just like, he thinks that has to be a certain way,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: but that's guys try to do this for years. Uh,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: be a little mini Parcells is, And it was just
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: like setback football like a decade. Just people. Everyone tried
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: to be a Bill Parcells or a Bill Belichick and
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: then set football back forever. None of the Belichick guys.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Have made it work.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Ever. Ever.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: None of them.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Ever.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Like ever.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Ever.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: You can't find anyone.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: The only one that has is Nick Saban. Yes.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Right and that's exactly true i know and and dimitrov
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: as a gm for the falcons had like a good
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: run and that was it but even his little gms
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: that went everywhere fail like it was just it was
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: everybody it's everybody because it was so there's a story
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: i'll wrap up with this we're tied us all together
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: was somebody asked um uh dimitrov and like we had
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: kind of like a q a when i was with
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: the falcons and i were kind of like so what
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: One of the scouts goes like, what is the Patriots
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: system to you? Like, what is the Patriot way? He
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: kind of just goes, Tom Brady. And now that was 2015, 2014.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: And now 10 years later, I'm like, yeah, that sure
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: seemed right. Seemed right to me. That's pretty apparent what happened.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: It just seemed like a really, really good quarterback with
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: a guy that just knew all the rules and was
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: willing to trade back in the draft. That was the
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Patriot way, it seemed like, for a while.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, I'll ask this one last thing before we go.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: What did you think about Aaron Rodgers in week one? Fine.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: He had none of his combustible moments like last year.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: He's not moving great. I don't think anyone should be
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: surprised with that. But, man, I mean, can you play
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: the Jets defense every week? That'll help out. The two
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: of the touchdowns were easy, you know. I say that
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: sitting in my chair in Las Vegas. But same play.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: It was like a little bootleg play. So it wasn't
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: anything crazy. The third touchdown was a jet sweep to
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Jonu Smith. I thought the Steelers offense had some nice moments.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: He's just got to play like that. Like the thing
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: was last year is he like became, you know, arm
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: is still there to make some of the throws. But
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff was like, dude, you've had like
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: 200 starts. How do you not know protections? Like he
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: was awful against the Blitz and he wasn't helping it
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: out at all. And that was really confusing to me.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: So I think there is some appeal with, like, Zach Frazier,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: the center, and Arthur Smith, the OC, having some personality
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: to go, like, hey, we got this, and you can
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: do your glory hunting things. So if I had to
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: give it a grade, it was, like, a B minus B. Like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a pretty good Aaron Rodgers appearance
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: in 2025. I think that's the nicest way I can
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: put it. Had some nice moments and had none of
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: those moments, like, that he's had the last couple years,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: where he's just, like, dirting things left and right.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I'll say the last thing on this, and this has
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: been in the weeds on football, but I don't know
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: if any two people are happier to see each other
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: than John New Smith and Arthur Smith. When each of
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: them found out that the other was available, it's like,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: it's funny, isn't it? I miss you too.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: It was like in the summer. It was like, oh,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Johnny Smith is the Steelers are trying to trade for
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Johnny Smith. And everyone's like, what? Okay, where did that
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: come from?
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: All right, cool.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, Arthur's there. That's why. It was like, didn't he
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: just have a good year with the Dolphins? Like, what
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: just happened here?
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, look, it sounds like there was some foresight
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: getting out of that dumpster fire.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I tweeted this. It was like, my
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: expectations were low, but holy shit.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: And then you get the report today, and today being Tuesday,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: in the divorce proceedings, Tyree Hill's soon-to-be estranged wife with
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: eight alleged incidents of domestic violence. They may wind up
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: having to cut him this year. And all the talk
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: about trade, you're going to have to answer for it
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: if you trade for him. And I think he's going
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: to just become generally disruptive. They may wind up just
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: having to leave him on the curb.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, all the signs are there. He, I mean,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: just even going from the, like they don't name him captain.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: And I know that seems stupid, but I don't know
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: how many times a vet with the same staff on
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: the same team has lost the captainship. Like, I know
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: that seems stupid and I know that seems silly, but
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: it is very like, That's telling.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: That was a choice by the players.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: That was everybody going like, no way. Like, no, enough.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: You're not good enough for us to be doing this. Like,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: to us to wave away. Like, I've seen assholes be
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: captains all the time. But it's just like, usually it's
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: because they're good players. And that's the thing with Tyreek is,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I talked to somebody in the NBA, actually. And we're
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: talking about Vince Carter. And we're talking about how excellent
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: athletes actually age better. Like, we sometimes... misconstrued the guy
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: that has the old game, old man game at the
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Y ages better because they're advanced. Well, it's like, well,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: if they're a bad athlete, they're probably become a worse athlete.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: It's not going to end well, but like the really
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: good athletes can age well if they work hard and
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: they kind of like learn their game and that, you know,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: adapt their game. Tyreek doesn't have that personality to like
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: adapt his game. His game is just purely speed. And
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: if you look at all of his metrics now, and
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: with this, Everything about him is his speed is just
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: dropping off a cliff. It's not even just slowly going down.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, it's rapidly descending here. His average
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: speed last year was 12.77 miles an hour. Year before that, 13.7.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Year before that, 13.8. So it's dropped a full mile
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: an hour. And that's significant when we're talking about averages.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Top speed went from 22 miles an hour to just
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: over 21. So, again, dropped a mile an hour. And then, like,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: his average, or his, like, times he's hit 15 miles
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: an hour dropped from 44% to 36%.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, that one tells it for me. Because it's hard
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: to get the gradations on something as close as, like,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: single numbers. But 44 to 36 is a percent?
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Yes. 4.3 of his plays in 2023, he went 20
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: miles an hour and over. 20 miles an hour is
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: the elite speed.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: So, 4.3 in 2023.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: 1.3 in 2024.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: He's also a sneaky old guy.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Yes. He is a sneaky old guy.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: He's been in the league for a while. The thing
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: with him is it's hard to find guys that fast
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: who accelerate like that and who change directions.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: And ball skills. Tyreek, that's an underrated thing with him
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: is he can adjust and everything. He's not just a
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: totally tiny guy, but it's all of his route running
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: because he's a unique route runner in that he'll sell
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: routes and go fricking midfield and then break back out
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: where most guys would just go to the hash. Well,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: if you just, if you won your entire, we talk
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: about how guys win, if you win your entire career
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: that way, and we're just going to take that away
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: from you and you're the personality, that's this, that's like
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: full blown. I feel like I'm okay saying it a dick. Like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a, I don't know if that's
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: going to age well. So I, and again, taking the
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: captain ship, it's just like all the signs are there.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: It's like, just, just going to fall off soon. Yeah, everybody's.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel will be doing a great job running somebody's
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: offense for a very handsome check. Right? Like, don't you
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: worry about him. He'll be just fine. He's trying to
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: get Chip Kelly money.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: And Tua will be playing for his job under one
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: more coach.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: You know? And they're going to have to start that
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: whole thing over.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Man, it just ended up such a fizzle. Like, you know, like.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Usually you have that bad loss that's kind of like,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: all right, that was the last rod. It was just
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: like that Chiefs wildcard game where they didn't even try,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: where everybody was just cold. That's how you're going to
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: end it, but it actually kind of feels kind of fitting.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: They just kind of literally got slowed down in the cold.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Had a spark when you started, but now you're just garbage.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Now you, Nate Tice, you're pretty dope. Check him out
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: at Yahoo Sports covering the NFL. My man, I appreciate you.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Always fun.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: All right. Thank you, man. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks
• 57:24
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