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80. Divorce, Trauma & Your Nervous System: The Surprising Role of Chiropractic Care · Dear Divorce Diary: A Fresh Approach To Healing Grief & Building A Life Of Confidence After Divorce

• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Hi, love, this is Dawn and you're listening to Deer Divorce Diary with my coach, dawn, where we explore the post-divorce life and you, the woman who lives it.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: We cover everything from trauma during and after divorce to feeling like a stranger in your own life and the new frontier of life as a single woman.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: We're closing in for the conversations you've been longing to have about this new life.
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: Hi, love, it is so good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: I am excited we have a guest today and we haven't had a guest in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: And this particular guest is special because it's someone I know personally and professionally and it is my chiropractor, dr Brian Porzio.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor of Chiropractic, dr Porzio, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to give you his bio and it is.
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  Speaker 1: You're just going to get right away why I had to have him on right.
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  Speaker 1: So Dr Porzio was someone who was very successful in the classroom, and so much so that it was almost expected of him that he was going to go to medical school.
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  Speaker 1: But there was a plot twist, because he knew that chiropractors and medical doctors studied the exact same courses for the first two years for instance, anatomy, physiology, biochemistry but figured out that they have totally different understandings about the body's ability to heal itself right.
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  Speaker 1: This is where I get very excited and so disbelieving that everything could be fixed with a drug.
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  Speaker 1: He received his degree in biology from Warford College and his doctorate in chiropractic from Palmer College of Chiropractic, and what's interesting about that is Palmer College of Chiropractic is what you referred to Dr Porzio as the fountain head of the entire profession.
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  Speaker 1: It's like where the OG chiropractors learned and did their first spinal adjustments.
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  Speaker 1: And so today he has a thriving chiropractic practice in Florence, south Carolina, where I met him, and he leans on these understandings in his practice.
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  Speaker 1: Number one God made the body to heal itself.
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  Speaker 1: Number two the nervous system is what runs and heals the body.
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  Speaker 1: Number three interference to the nervous system means that one cannot function or heal correctly.
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  Speaker 1: And number four chiropractors remove interference to the nervous system to allow it to function and heal naturally.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously, with nervous systems being all the rage, I knew we had to have Dr Porzio come on and talk to us about these things.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So explain to us the nervous system as though we're third graders.
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  Speaker 2: Third graders.
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  Speaker 2: Give or take Third graders.
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  Speaker 2: The nervous system is made up of a few parts.
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  Speaker 2: You've got the brain and extension off the brain called your spinal cord, and extensions off the spinal cord called the spinal nerves.
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  Speaker 2: Everything in your body is controlled by that nervous system.
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  Speaker 2: So your heart beats and regulates via messages through from the brain through those nerves to the heart.
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  Speaker 2: You've got nerves that go to the lungs and the kidneys and the gallbladder and the spleen.
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  Speaker 2: All your parts are directly or indirectly controlled by the nervous system.
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  Speaker 2: Now the direct control is a nerve plugs into an organ and tells it how to work and how to function properly.
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  Speaker 2: Indirect control is basically the nervous system going to glands to secrete enzymes or hormones that go through the body to have an effect on a different organ or tissue.
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  Speaker 1: What's the difference between an organ and a gland Name a gland.
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  Speaker 2: How about your thyroid gland?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, is the pituitary gland?
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  Speaker 1: Pituitary is a gland as well.
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  Speaker 2: So we have in our bodies?
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  Speaker 2: We have 11 systems.
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  Speaker 2: Your skin is one system.
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  Speaker 2: You got your cardiovascular system.
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  Speaker 2: You have your skeletal system.
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  Speaker 2: We have an endocrine system which is made up of all your glands.
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  Speaker 1: So that's your adrenal glands.
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  Speaker 2: Your pineal gland, your pituitary gland, those are all directly innervated or controlled by that same nervous system.
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  Speaker 2: So everything that we do chiropractorically is in regards to helping that nervous system control all your parts which, as you said earlier, controls function and then, also controls healing.
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  Speaker 2: We were designed to heal ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: And that right, I think you and I have always had a certain without.
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't read your bio when I came to see you, right, I didn't know, this is what you believed.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I went to the other chiropractor first and my husband said we got to go back to this other guy, and wouldn't you know you can tell him.
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  Speaker 1: I said this, he was right.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: The one time in all these years, the one time, yeah, but the body's ability to heal itself, that's an understanding I've really been practicing as a therapist, but right really came into understanding more and more the last couple of years as I found homeopathy, this concept of removing blocks, which is what you do.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right that you know that.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably the one thing that I believe traditional medicine misses.
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  Speaker 2: As you mentioned earlier, through the bio info we can go study, all the same, anatomy and physiology and we learn pathology and as the traditional medical training to understand parts when the parts don't work right, just somehow getting out of school, there's the thought of when parts don't work right, we need to be drugged to make them work right.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: Do I believe that?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Ultimately, some people need medication based on their health, health status or lack thereof, and with certain conditions, because maybe their tissues aren't coming back because they're 82 years old.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: Well, sure, I think there's value in helping lives be more functional, but that shouldn't be the standard for how we are raised in our country and it shouldn't be the standard for most people in their homes, where we just look for an outside influence to try and help us manage either pain or function, versus looking towards the inside of the body, which is, if we're not healing right, we need to get to the bottom of why we're not healing right because we were designed to heal right on our own, without any other help.
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: So explain to us, like we're third graders, how chiropractic.
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  Speaker 1: So you've kind of laid it out, right that the nervous system is what tells the body to heal, or not?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that's fight, fight, freeze or rest and digest, right?
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  Speaker 1: Sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous system?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but help us understand how chiro.
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: What does chiropractic have to do with it all?
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  Speaker 2: Great question.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, my profession over the last hundred or so years has gotten pigeoned hold into back pain people headaches, yes, headaches.
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  Speaker 2: We can help those things, but that's not really the ultimate intention of what we do.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, how do we help healing?
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  Speaker 2: Well, our lives are stressful and we have different types of stress every day.
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  Speaker 2: We have physical stress and that might be yard work, that can be riding bikes, exercise, you name it.
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  Speaker 2: So there's physical, then there's chemical stressors and that's our foods good or bad foods into the human body, that's any other chemistry type things.
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  Speaker 2: People that take too many pills that's chemistry that may be needed for a health condition, but it still is taxing to the system.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's the emotional side, and I know you deal a lot with the emotional side.
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  Speaker 2: Those three types of stressors affect how this body can hold and support itself.
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  Speaker 2: Ultimately that means we look for misalignments in the spine, that when things misalign out of their normal position they can affect the nerves that come out of the spine and therefore alter those healing signals or functioning signals, and then therefore the tissues don't do what they're supposed to do On their own, like they were designed to.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to make sure I understand.
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  Speaker 1: I could lift too much at the gym, which has definitely happened, and then I've come into your office, or I could eat like crap one weekend, or I could have a particularly stressful day, and those three things all can affect the alignment of my spine.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: Correct and the direct connection there is.
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  Speaker 2: Those three things can potentially interfere with how your muscles support your joints and your spine.
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  Speaker 2: So think about emotional stress We've lost a loved one or something.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: We got.
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  Speaker 1: Divorced, we got divorced.
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  Speaker 2: We carry those burdens in our brains and most people will feel tightness or stiffness in the neck or the upper shoulders or the back area.
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  Speaker 2: Those tight muscles that attach to the spine will then pull the spine out of alignment if that stressor isn't removed.
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  Speaker 2: So in my office it's yeah, our job is to correct these misalignments and try to help people heal.
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  Speaker 2: But I also feel like it's part of my duty, and I enjoy it, to talk about those type of stressors that create it.
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  Speaker 2: Not that we can run away from the stressors.
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  Speaker 2: They're part of our lives.
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  Speaker 2: We want to just look at our lives and say how do we get this body to function better, to be able to do the things that we love to do?
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: and not have the things that we love to do be taxing and interfering to how we stay functional and stay healthy.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: So, oh, there's so many questions I have now, and most of us have way more than one or three stressors.
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  Speaker 1: We have regular stressors and then we have extra stressors, like I got divorced.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: So with nervous system health being a popular topic, do you hear people talk about that more in your practice these days than you used to?
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: I do, and I think part of it has to do with the fact that I think early in my career, anything in the emotional realm, the mental health realm, it's not tangible it's not measurable.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: So years ago it used to be, I think.
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  Speaker 2: The thought was hey, you just need to toughen up and get past it.
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  Speaker 2: You fast forward 25 years later and it's a whole different world, with acceptance and, I guess, rational thought that it does have major effects on how the body functions.
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: So we can have too much stress and it will alter how your pituitary works and too much stress will raise cortisol levels and it will affect how the thyroid works.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: I feel called out right now okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's not on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: You weren't just reading from my chart.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: I was not reading from your chart.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: I wasn't allowed to bring your chart tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I really believe that we have more stressors in our lives in the emotional realm than actually the physical and the chemical realm.
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  Speaker 2: I know we talking to your husband, I build in docks and things.
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  Speaker 2: I know we do a lot of physical things, but there's not a day in our lives where we're not emotionally tasked with everything from paying a mortgage to here comes Christmas and toys to other health issues or family members or our relationships, so we don't ever to raise our kids.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: That's always there.
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  Speaker 2: So some days it may get us down more than others, but ultimately our lives are just about what it's about three steps forward and sadly, life will smack you back one step and we just got to keep trudging in three more steps forward.
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  Speaker 1: So we talk a lot in the mental wellness space these days, which is so exciting to me, about taking better care of our nervous systems, about learning how to regulate our nervous systems, how often symptoms that we previously understood as even anxiety is maybe nervous system over stimulation.
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  Speaker 1: So we're starting to have a more nuanced conversation about what mental wellness looks like and what it takes to achieve it.
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  Speaker 1: But what I love about working with you is that I can work really hard to regulate my nervous system, to take good care.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say I'm eating pretty healthy and I'm sleeping pretty well and I'm coping with my stress and I'm making sure I get grounded and I have a good therapist or a good support system or whatever we're going to call that right.
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  Speaker 1: But there's still an element of my nervous system that I cannot thoroughly reach without a look at spinal alignment.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that that's accurate?
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  Speaker 2: how I presented it Very accurate, and the irony behind that statement is, I think, once again in our traditional medical system.
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  Speaker 2: If it's mental health when I'm struggling and depressed, then I seek somebody to help me for a specific situation.
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  Speaker 2: The same thing happens in my office.
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  Speaker 2: We do all these things for years until it breaks and then we're dealing with trying to take it to crisis management.
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  Speaker 2: And so in the mental health world, in today's world, we should have a team of healthcare professionals.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, there's one component that we can't manage ourselves regarding spinal health, partially because we don't necessarily always know in ourselves if our spines are aligned or not.
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  Speaker 2: Most people might think that spinal misalignments automatically cause pain, but they don't necessarily do that.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: And this is something you taught me recently that I wasn't familiar with.
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  Speaker 2: One of the analogies that I use in my office it's somebody that has, from a cardiovascular standpoint, three block arteries.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: They got block arteries today.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have any pain, they're functioning and life just fine.
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  Speaker 2: Tomorrow they fall over and unfortunately they don't make it through that crisis and somebody would say, well, he was just fine yesterday and it was well, we had three block arteries yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Right, we couldn't see it, we couldn't see it we couldn't feel it, we didn't know there was damage.
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  Speaker 2: The same thing happens in the spine, so it becomes.
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  Speaker 2: The process is actually degenerative decay, just like teeth or oral health.
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  Speaker 2: So we get routine checkups for our teeth to try and find early detection or early steps through the decaying process to try and keep our teeth in our mouths.
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  Speaker 2: So the dentist did a great job 50 years ago trying to teach us that, hey, if you don't brush and flush, you're going to lose your teeth, and ultimately, if you don't believe them, then don't brush and see what happens.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: So I think my profession does a better job now than we used to, because the world has changed.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Just like you said, we have so much information now.
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  Speaker 2: We have a ton of information out there.
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  Speaker 1: We don't always use it wisely, but it's out there.
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  Speaker 1: It is out there.
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  Speaker 1: It's becoming more widely understood and accepted.
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  Speaker 2: And we can find it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: 25 years ago there was, no, there wasn't internet and computers everywhere.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Right, I know.
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  Speaker 1: So that's.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: It's such a time to be alive, so let's talk about, okay, someone's like so great, dawn, thanks.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Now I have to add a chiropractor to my list of things to do, like you know the effects on my pocketbook, the effects on my schedule, like what.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: And now I got to get all my kids sick.
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  Speaker 1: Like this is not sustainable, dawn, like.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: And they're sick, right, it's understandable.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: So what's it look like, ideally, for someone to decide hey, there is, there is a Benefit to me going and seeing a good chiropractor to help me have optimal health.
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  Speaker 1: What's?
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  Speaker 1: What's that commitment look like for someone?
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  Speaker 1: And I know it depends on the case, right, I know it depends on how much degeneration or how much, whatever, right.
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  Speaker 1: But what could someone expect if they came in and they're like I got divorced this year and I am Stressed out and I need to recover from this divorce, I have things to carry on right, like help me get my Mind, body, body, mind back in order, what, what would that look like for them?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: What could they expect?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Well it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like what you mentioned it's always individual, based on what's in there.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I have a very I Think, a very open, open communication with my Practice members in regards to what are they looking to accomplish.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm you know, if it's stress management, great.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: If it's a bad L5 disc, we deal with that stuff too, but for the most part, most people Don't need, I'll say, chiropractic care every day of the year Mm-hmm, your body is designed to hold itself too, mm-hmm.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: So my number one goal is let's remove some interference to the nervous system.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Will allow their bodies to start to function More optimally, to help them get healthier in whatever regards the Things that they've got going on, and then also try to teach them things outside the office Strategies that may be stretches, that may be exercises, things to support the spine to therefore support the nervous system, to support the functioning of the body in the healing process.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: So it's a that's a tough one for most people in my office.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm, I may, if I can get them to Check in their spines one time a month.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: When I look at that, I say every single day, every day, we've got stressors by the time we go seven days a week, four weeks in a row, something in life is taking us backwards two steps, mm-hmm and it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: They may not necessarily feel Muscle tightness or headaches, or they might mm-hmm based on their bodies and what they can or can't handle.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But if they felt nervous system dysregulation, they could know hey, there's another tool that doesn't just involve going to therapy or going for a run or Whatever.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Right, if I'm feeling nervous system dysregulated and I see a chiropractor, I could feel improvement 100%.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right and so.
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  Speaker 1: So let's say, right, someone who's listening, who has just gone through some a crisis, right, and whether it's a car accident or it's a divorce or it's whatever, something with a child, right, very stressful thing, and they're kind of struggling to get out of that fight or flight cortisol response, right, what would you say about a handful of chiropractic visits just to stabilize even that immediate like fight, flight freeze response?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Would it help somebody make progress in therapy faster, for instance?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: 100% and I see that across the board in regards to all the tools that people try to use and Reference to their health.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I've got patients that come in and and, and they initially might have been going going down the medical route.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm and so they're on three medications, but they're not working for them.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm now my goal is not to you know.
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  Speaker 2: Let's try to get you adjusted so your medications work better.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Ultimately, I want their bodies function better to where they don't need it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: But the number of people over the years that, as they're under care, they'll start to, as their body deals with the crisis and deals with inflammation and deals with trying to stabilize itself and deals with trying to heal, they'll start to see that there are other things, that that are tools in their lives.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: There's their, their.
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  Speaker 2: You know their mental health therapist, you know their gym routines.
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  Speaker 1: Those see changes with those just by us dealing with the spine and the nervous system, so they'll become more effective in regards to all the other things that they're doing so I think you know this stands out to me so much since I've started working with you because very often you have, kind of off-handed, mentioned something about cognitive function to me right, meaning how my brain is affected by my current spinal status or whatever right nervous system status.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: And that is such a profound thing to hear my chiropractor say, because so much of what I think we think we have to deal with with aging or with modern living right, like brain fog, memory issues, nervousness, anxiety, depression, these are things that 100% are affected by spinal misalignment.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: We call them subluxations correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 1: So if those subluxations or that spinal misalignment is happening, my nervous system can't adequately fire the message From my brain to my body and back again that I am safe, that I am okay, that I am well, right.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: So when we think about people who struggle to feel a sense of security and well-being, we can't know the answer to this question, but it's fun to talk about it how much of that could be because of not just negative experiences they've had, but spinal misalignment where they got stuck kind of in fight or flight.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: We don't know how far reaching the stuck part plays a role in the dysfunction part, meaning, ultimately, if your body's designed to function at 100%, when we have misalignments that interfere with the one thing that regulates all your function which is your nervous system then you are not going to regulate at 100%.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: That means the organs that receive that regulation aren't going to function at 100%.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: So if a gallbladder is doing its thing at 100% over time and I don't mean over a week- but over potentially years all of a sudden we have a gallbladder that's not working at 100%.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It might be working at 90%, and then it's down to 82%, and then it's down to 62%, and then we're accumulating cholesterol and calcium deposition and now we're talking about stones and we see a sick organ at the end of a period of time where things didn't regulate properly.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: So when we go back to kind of how, I'll say, society sees us in the chiropractic profession, quacks, quacks there's a word that's out there, and the irony behind that thought process is everything that we do is based on anatomy and physiology.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: So you learn all the parts, you learn how it all works, you learn what happens when it doesn't work right, and then the goal is to help it get back to working right.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So it becomes everything in your body is affected by that spinal misalignment to some degree To some degree.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And so it is interesting to think that, right, we call you quacks, we not me, but you know we call you quacks.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But it's so interesting because you have an intimate understanding of anatomy and physiology, right, and you believe that the body knows what to do, that there's a divine intelligence to it, right, and your thought of as less of a doctor.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Can you have a deeper respect, maybe, for the body's capacity?
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Well, most definitely.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking badly about Western medicine, like thank God we've all need.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Like thank God for antibiotics and for in moderation and for you know a surgeon that replaced my husband's hips, or whatever it is right.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Like thank God for those interventions and also, you're not a quack.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: The greatest value I believe we have in regards to traditional medicine is is ER medicine.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: You know ER medicine is hey, you're getting a car wreck and you can't breathe because your lungs are collapsed and your femurs broken in half and it becomes, they can keep you alive.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: We fall short in most of the rest of our healthcare system.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: What we understand now is a lot of lifestyle disease.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right Is that we don't get.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: We don't acquire overnight.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: We acquire over a lifetime of good or bad choices Of denying our basic needs and not meeting them well.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And yeah, looking for shortcuts.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And yeah, fast living.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And even the medical side.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I say this in my office quite a bit.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: The unfortunate thing is this they go to medical school.
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  Speaker 2: They study all the same parts in anatomy.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: We end up getting more anatomy and and physiology in regards to the spine and the nervous system, because that's what we work on.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: While we're studying more of that those types of topics they're studying pharmacology because that's their number one treatment.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: You know, they've got to know that If somebody asks me, hey, what are the interactions of these three medications, I can go look it up in my PDR.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: But I didn't study it, so they have a basis there that where they got to study those things more in depth.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: So our knowledge of it tends to be different because it's a different specialty, which is a good thing.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: But the interesting thing is always the outlook on hey, your body's not functioning right.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Here's the answer.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And there are other answers than just the traditional way yeah, pharmacological.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: So I have seen chiropractors for most of my life.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Right First car accident 16.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Actually, I worked for a chiropractor in high school.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Did I ever tell you that?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I don't believe.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: You told me that Okay.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: So you know chiropractic and I go way back, but I believe that I've made more progress with you this year than I've made in any chiropractic situation.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So now I know that that's not all you, no offense.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I know that I came to you kind of with a better care team, right, Having had made a lot of progress.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But it's not just me.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: My husband has had some reoccurring issues and he's made more progress faster with you.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: My daughter you recently diagnosed with a wiggle in her spine.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: So what is it that you think you do differently that maybe somebody who's listening is like I've seen chiropractors before and I still struggle with nervous system regulation, I still have this disease or this depression or exact right.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: What do you think you do differently?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Slash what makes a good patient that can get better using chiropractic.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so what makes a good chiropractor?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe, and what makes a good patient of chiropractic?
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I believe that I've had a good career over 25 years.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I've been blessed and honored to take care of a lot of patients.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Somewhere in there is finding the right connection, and I'll say, yes, it can be doctor-patient relationship, but I think in my office it's not always that cut and dry and that stiff Meaning.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: You got to get to know people.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: You need to know what's in their lifestyles to kind of give them thoughts in regards to how their lives are affecting them.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Do I believe that I'm the chiropractor that everybody on the planet should come to?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: No, I think there are people out there that won't jive with how I do things.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Now I also think that I listen well, because when you're asking me what I did this weekend, it's because you're really scanning for, like, what might have affected by To see what you brought me in your spine so that we can, you know, look at it in the right way.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not about.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: It's not about not living life.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm because we get one go around at this.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I want everybody to live it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: To live it yeah.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: So it turns into it's not listening for the two things you should never do again.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I'm really listening for the two things that your body can't handle at this moment.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It needs support and it needs support to get you back to doing all the things you love to do.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: So I you know my elderly patients can talk about.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I've got this glitch or that glitch because when I lift my grandbaby, I'm not gonna ask them to never lift their grandbaby.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: We're gonna say, hey, that's something they're passionate about there, they love it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: They're never gonna not do it, so let's find a way to help, support them to do the things that they love to do.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, but patients don't always like to do their homework, so give our listeners some homework.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: How can they take care of their spines?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: What would make them good chiropractic patients so that they could benefit from what You're explaining today, like what is good at home spinal health look like good at home is probably some type of obviously physical activity Mets, any form of exercise with some stretching involved.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm, I think at the end of the day we are very we're a little more sedentary.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: You know, if people used to work in the fields and do more physical activities, which was Bending and lifting, and contracting and relax, relaxing muscles.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: We end up in front of a computer doing host of jobs.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Right in the car all the time.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Car all the time with our kids were on the road in the car, all the time when it comes to the sports stuff with our kids.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: You know you're sitting in a bleachers Somewhere or in a chair.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Watch the same position.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Which is all contraction of look, we're sitting now and we're sitting now.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: We should be jogging around the room.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: You know, if we wanted to do this to the ultimate, that'd be funny if we had recorded this standing up.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: We need your tech guys moving in circles, so, but that's it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: That's a start.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Patients have to be involved in their own health.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day they're in my office only for a short period of time for treatment Mm-hmm, and then there's a whole lot of hours in the day for them to destroy themselves.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: So it's so well said.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's a meme in there somewhere.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: It just becomes.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: How do we educate them to do the right things, motivate them to do the right things?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: They need a health care team it gets overwhelming.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Like you said earlier, whether, whether it's cost whether it's time and Sadly in our lives, in this fast-paced world, we somehow find time to do the nine million things, but not necessarily the two, that we should be doing for ourselves.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I know it's so and I and I think it's getting more popular to highlight this, but it's true, right, like as a woman, I can tell you the year, the amount of Time in my life I have spent chasing wrinkles, versus right chasing really juicy, caring for my body, mind and so so you would say move your body, stretch your body, what else?
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Nutrition is a huge part makes a difference in chiropractic 100%.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: we're talking about spinal support and as, as we mentioned earlier, the spine, just like every joint your body, is controlled by muscles.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Muscles are 60 to 80 percent water, so as we are Dehydrated or not hydrated enough.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Ultimately, muscles can't function right to support right and therefore you have decreased water intake.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: You end up with muscles that get tight and then can pull the spine out of place, creating a subluxation and then therefore interfering with the nervous system.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: So, ironically enough, we have tons of access to water in our country.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: But people are chronically dehydrated because we're drinking coffee and soda and whatever.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: That's exactly, yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And then you also said that what we eat or what we consume or what medications we take can cause Subluxations also.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: So how does it toxin?
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe you explained this already, but it didn't stick.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: How does it toxin?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: How does like, if I eat a McDonald's cheeseburger, can that cause a subluxation?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Most definitely, and we're back to just straight nutrition there.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Okay where.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Hey, what is?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: What is our diet?
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: What does it consist of?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Do we get nutrition on a regular basis to run all the cells in?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the cells right.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Cellular health, yeah, yeah so it turns into hey well, I get, I take back to money and stressors.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: A lot of patients will come in talking about hey, I take tons of supplements.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I should be healthy.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm and and I look at that and I say, okay, except supplements, are there supposed to be there to support a Good nutrition?
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: well, you know, and you and I can geek out on all these things, but we know that our guts typically are not absorbing very well because we have gut dysfunction.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And so if it's not first of all a bio available source, which means probably expensive version of a thing, and then our gut can't absorb it and but okay, so good nutrition, move the body.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: What else makes a good spinal patient Good?
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: spinal patient just motivated somebody that's motivated to be healthy.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day it's it's like in your world.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: The mental health part is huge.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm so if somebody comes in day after day not have not being able to manage that part of their lives, that sets up some of my work to be less effective.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Now we're also there to try and help them manage.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Helping that nervous system fire differently, but it's a balancing act.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Well, but there's a different.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: There's a patient mindset.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Patient is not the right word, forgive me, loves for using that word right, but so a participant that has a mindset that's like dawn?
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I want you to fix it for me, dr Porzio.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I want you to fix it for me.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I don't get those folks, those folks right.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I just tend to attract people.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I mean ever, we all get that way, right.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: There are plenty of times I want you to fix it for me, doc, right, but but?
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: And then there are participants that are like no, I can do this, I can learn, teach me, I want to know, I'm gonna.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this with you, don't?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this with you, doctor porzio.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: So that mindset makes a big difference.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Coming to see you also, not having this expectation that you're just gonna fix it all, but being an active participant in their care and having this attitude of I want to be healthy a lot of them Don't know that they need that to be part of.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm the healing, the healing process.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: They find that out in my office over time.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Where they come in they get the fix that they're searching for and then six months later, a year later, something hey, all of a sudden they slide backwards into the same type of Disregulation and or pain and agony and inflammation.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: And then they say, oh, I better go see him again.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: And then we have the conversations about the reality of life which is, everything on our planet will break down.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm over time, unless you do things to try and perfect, prevent it from breaking my house, my teeth, my 100% yeah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So there's this funny thing I do when I get diagnoses and I did it with you and I did it with my neurologist.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: When I got a cluster headache diagnosis.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: The neurologist diagnosed me with cluster headaches and I said, huh, okay, well, I'm not gonna have those very long.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Fast forward, like 17 years, I no longer have them, right.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: But it was not like I don't know, but I just had this thing where I was like, okay, I'm not going to keep this.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: And then you diagnosed me with some reverse curvature of the neck.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Did I say that, right?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And I said, okay, well, I'm gonna get my curve back.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: So how important is that mindset that things can be redeemed right that I can?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: How important would you say that is to somebody's spinal health or their overall wellbeing?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I think that's at the top of the list.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: You have to know and or understand that your body can get back into control of itself to do what it's supposed to have been doing on its own.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: The hardest part of getting that through people's minds if they're not self-motivated is the fact that the paradigm that we live in in this country, with our healthcare system, says the opposite.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: It says you're supposed to get older, you're supposed to shrink, you're supposed to degenerate you're supposed to Be dependent on the system Be dependent on the system for function.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Out of humor in my office I'll say things like well, if you watch TV, then in your mind you can't drink, sleep, pee or make love without some kind of assistance, without assistance.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And it turns into as I said earlier.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we have access and we have those things if we need them.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: We're really not supposed to need them.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I say this to our listeners all the time that I have not done my job well, if they feel dependent on me, that my job is to not be part of the industry in the sense that I'm trying to get you to need me forever, that's not it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I want you to go and fly and thrive, so.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: But what does that look like for chiropractic and spinal care?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Like, let's say, you and I have spent a good amount of time together this year, dr Borzio, but let's say we get me to that maintenance place and I'm not there yet, right?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: But let's say we get me to that maintenance place.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: What's that look like then?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: How often do I come in?
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I try my best, based on people's lifestyles, to figure that out when we get there.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: So, like my husband, you might long term see more often than me because he is more physical, but that's not true, because I power lift.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: You do power lift which throws off our care sometimes.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: But but that becomes an individual thing as well.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, another thought process in this world in regards to my profession that's really in its infancy compared to traditional medicine.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Chiropractic was founded in 1895 in regards to the first chiropractic adjustment, and so we're kind of babies in the thought process of natural healing.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Compared to how long medicine's been around.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Now I don't believe you should be dependent on me needing one adjustment or a treatment or something a week, the rest of your life, to be healthy.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Your body's supposed to hold itself longer.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Now we're back to all the things that we talked about.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: How's your hydration?
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: How's your mental health?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: How do you manage in?
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Your relationships.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: How's your spiritual health?
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: How's your relationship with your kids?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of components there.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: It's complicated.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: That play a role in how well your body's gonna hold your adjustment and allow your nervous system to fire like it's supposed to fire.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And we're really the body's constantly regulating.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: It's constantly going up and constantly going down.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I discuss a lot of times hey, it's going through two processes at the same time it's breaking down and it's repairing and rebuilding itself and building back up which process predominates.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: If we have interference to the nervous system and we're not healing the best that we can, then our daily life stressors will break us down faster than what we can do in reference to healing.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And if you break down faster than your healing then guess what?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: We get, we get degeneration arthritis and muscle spasms and all the things that bring people in musculoskeletal-wise that we feel so it's a all right.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: We want to heal at the maximum potential of what God put in our bodies.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: We want good nutrition in there.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: We want to try and have a balance to all of this stuff.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: That makes it really hard, because we're back to the mindset of what we've been raised in, which is you're just supposed to live your life, don't worry about any of this, and we'll see how you turn out.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And maybe we'll have a doctor there to drug you, cut you, do something for you later on.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: It's like wait, I don't really want to go down these roads and see how bad it can get.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: So it turns into, you know?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Back to mental health world.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, we all have a brain.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: We may not always use it but we all need help talking to somebody to stay healthy in that realm.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: So and it's way more accepted than it was 25 years ago, Chiropractic is more accepted than it was 25 years ago, which is wonderful, because it's all heading towards one goal, which is greater health, greater expression of life.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like an abundant life, right.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting, even me, you know, there are people who call me a quack, right, Plenty of people that would call my profession quacks.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: But even me, who really like, is drawn to the outside of the box stuff, struggled to trust, like while we were in the acute stage of treating me right, Like the first couple of months where I would feel all these sensations suddenly in my body and I would be a little nervous coming in like is this going the way it's supposed to go?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Are we doing okay?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Am I okay?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Tell me I'm okay, doc, right, and it wasn't so dramatic.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But I think that for the average person who is inundated with messages about Western medicine and suppress it and just suck it up and just carry on right, and isn't in a culture, maybe in a family system, that says no, it's okay to ask for help and it's okay to take good care of yourself, it's hard to trust your profession, my profession, that you're gonna get real results, because it's not.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: It's, even though it's more popular, it's not got the stamp of Gen Pop yet, right, it's not, as you're not gonna see commercials for chiropractic like you're gonna see a commercial for, yeah, like a diabetes or whatever right, and so we don't get the same validation or reassurance or those cues right to our mind that this is the way.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And so I do think it takes more motivation, more stick-to-itiveness to stick with a process like yours, unfortunately right, to trust the process.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I agree with that.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I think it falls more on the side of it's the opposite of what they've heard elsewhere.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: There's dissonance, that's right.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: It turns into when you work with your clients, you're trying to lead them and motivate them and help them and teach them and everything that we've been once again used to in our traditional system has been kind of the opposite of you get involved.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Now you're the patient you go live life and when something happens, we'll deal with you.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: My older patients and I've got my oldest patient right now is probably 98 years old, which is awesome still functioning.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Ironically enough, too many people look at him and say oh, he's the lucky 98-year-old, because he's still functional.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: But I come to see you because I'm planning for that.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: And that's what should happen.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: But I've got 60-year-olds who are not functional, and it's the victim mentality, because that's what the system says.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: So I have not.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I've been in practice 25 years.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I said that earlier.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I have not taken care of this guy for 77 years, right, which means he has made some other choices throughout his lifetime, in spite of his genetics.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: That has gotten him to 98, and at 92, he was still driving a car.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: So, he was doing pretty darn well, even though everybody at his church thought, well, he's the anomaly, he's what we're supposed to be.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: He's what we're supposed to plan for, and we can have that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: We just have to have some support, believe that we can achieve that and then ultimately take those proper steps to minimize the damage and the stressors and all the other things.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean not live in life, though.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: It just means acknowledging that it's there and our health is really about acknowledging that we are in control of our health.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, versus somebody else with a pill is in control of it.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I teach my listeners that all the time right, empowerment, empowerment, empowerment, yes.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: That we don't have to settle for disorders and disease, that's right, yeah, or suffering, we're not supposed to settle.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: That is not what God intended for us.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: It's not what he intended, you know, with that older generation, though and this goes back to what this country looked like over the last 100 years I've got plenty of patients that are above the age of 75, that somewhere in their lifetime, while they went to medical doctors their entire lives.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: You know, back in the 40s or 50s, somewhere in there, we started really to get bombarded with some new medications and things to help with all these problems that people were gonna have.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: So it turned into, hey, when I was 10, there weren't.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: We didn't have access to antibiotics, we didn't go to the doctor every other day, and so in their minds it's, hey, the greatest thing that's happened in medicine in the last 100 years is I've?
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Got access to all these pills, I can make a phone call to the nurse practitioner and I don't even need to go see them anymore and they'll give me my pills.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: And it's like okay, so I can see the value that those pills have but we're still back to treating a sickness or disease process that's gonna be.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: That's naturally happening once again in these bodies over 98 years when we don't take care of it.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting I've never thought of it how you said that that there is a generation of people who lived without pills, right.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: And then with the modern invention of pills, it was shiny and exciting.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: But then if you keep adding them on, yeah, that's right.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: What is one thing If you could just like impart one thing that you want us to remember when we think of you and this particular podcast episode, right?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: What is the one thing you would want us to walk away understanding about?
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Whether it's you, us, chiropractic you name it right.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: What is it that you want us to know or understand?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Probably the first thing is that I take pride in how I try to deliver care.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I'm passionate about my patients.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Every day I get to show up and talk with people and relate to people and form relationships.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: It's a blessing, and so I hope my passion comes through with how I deliver care, with how I listen to people talk about their bodies, talk about their lives.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: There's so many hidden things that people deal with that sometimes they don't want to share, but they do affect every part of what I see in my office.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: So it's just going to the office every single day and loving on humanity is what makes a big difference.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for being here.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I know it's outside of your comfort zone.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Just a tad.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: But you have made such a positive influence, certainly on my life and my family's life, and so I just love that you were willing to do this and to come shine your light and spread your information, because you have such a caring way and such a thorough like you just have made such a difference on our lives.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you, dear.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Divorce Diary is a podcast by my coach John.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: You can find more at mycoachjohncom.