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• Breaking The Meta: you you Hello everyone and welcome to Breaking the Meta. My name is Mike Winson. Today we are sitting down with Kiana Biaria Anderson and she is running for New York's fourth congressional district. And I am so excited to sit down and see what ⁓ to hear about you and your campaign and what you hope to do. Hello, Kiana, how are you doing? Hi, and you did a great job. Yes. I was very worried before we hit record for everyone listening that I wouldn't get it right. There's a lot of consonants and vowels and it scares people. And then there's a hyphen. So it freaks everybody out. How are you doing today? I'm good. I actually, had court earlier today because I had to take care of some parking tickets, but I got, I was very nice. I dressed real well and I spoke real good and they only made me pay 20 bucks. So there you go. Can't ask for anything more in New York. That's like, that's, that's even better. Listen. Long Island has made like $45 million off of either tickets, parking tickets or traffic tickets. So I'm very glad to not be contributing to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the way ⁓ I always start start is would you mind letting anyone who's not a part of New York know what is encompassed in New York's fourth congressional district? Yes. So thank you so much for bringing me on. And give me the opportunity to share my story and to talk about what I'd love to do as a representative. The fourth congressional district consists of it's on the border of Queens and Nassau County. If you're familiar with New York, if you're familiar with the state of New York, I like to call the region of Long Island, the Sicily to New York's Italy or like the Alabama North. are one of the, we've been in the news. Alabama North is. Beautiful. I'm going to use that one from now on. That's right. Those are my two running jokes. This is late to New York's Italy because we talk so much. Our local leaders talk so much SIHT about New York City and we have very, we're a very diverse community, but we are still beholden to old racial tensions and xenophobia, Islamophobia. So it's a lot. So the district itself is quite large. It's very diverse. It goes from the border of Queens to about Massapequa. It includes communities like Almott, Franklin Square, Flora Park, Hewlett, Woodmere, Freeport, Hempstead, Baldwin, Oceanside, Long Beach. So basically, if you're looking at Long Island from left to right, east to west, it's like cut it in half on ⁓ a vertical slant and then cut it in half again on a horizontal. And that first quarter is me. Gotcha. Perfect. So. Let's start out with you giving us a little background on who you are and why you decided to run for Congress in the first place. Yeah. So I have been working. I'm 32 years old and I'm born and raised in Long Island. I was born in Baldwin, raised in Freeport, now living in Hempstead. I live with my grandparents. I love it, but it's also because I can't afford a home of my own and neither can they. We're living together and it's beautiful. I've been working in government and politics for 14 years. I was the chief of staff to a Nassau County legislator, as well as the chief of staff to a New York State Assembly member. I started a union at my last workplace. I worked at New American Leaders. I was their national women's program manager, and I trained over 100 women to run for office. And we focused on training first and second generation immigrant women specifically to run for any style of office. I have campaign management experience specifically on the local level, whether it was regarding school or village, as well as for a county and state. And my running joke, one of my other running jokes is that everybody loves unions until you start one. as a union leader, was very, I was pleased with the work of me and my union sisters. were a leadership, a trifecta leadership. were three, myself and two other comrades and we fought. We created our union during the pandemic and we wanted to make sure that we had our colleagues had strong protections, specifically health benefits. And we were an organization that traveled for our trainings. So we had to transition during the height of the pandemic from being a traveling organization to being at home and making sure that the proper provisions for our colleagues to properly work from home and be effective were in place. And then after the pandemic, I was proud to have fought for. better wages, better health insurance, better protections. And so I'm very proud of that work. The result of which, although was, you know, no longer having the job. It goes back to everybody loves unions until you start one. So I was unemployed for about a year and a half. And during that time, I got incredibly sick. I was hospitalized for a month. And so I will always say that government insurance is the best insurance. And that's why part of my policy is to make, Medicaid universal and to support single payer to support many of Bernie Sanders healthcare policies because I've been directly impacted twice and needed those healthcare policies and needed that health insurance in order to not be in mounds of healthcare debt. I have been, so after that year and a half of being unemployed, I went to start my, I got tired of waiting for jobs and a lot of the job market was. hosting entry level positions that still needed like 10 years of experience or where I wasn't getting called back. I have a master's degree in political science. And at least again, at this time, I had like 12 years of real world experience of working in politics, working with nonprofits, doing organizing work on the ground. And I just wasn't getting called back. So was like, screw it. I'll just employ myself. I started. Right, right here. You're looking at it. Same thing. So I feel you sister. Yeah, so I am proud. started a political consulting firm so I could share my knowledge and expertise. I worked with nonprofits and individuals and I offer organizing trainings. And my niche is here on Long Island because I've I've run successful political campaigns as well as specific, successful issue-based campaigns. One of the campaigns I'm most proud of is when I worked to save a community park that was connected to a, Black History Month, so I've got to mention black facts. There was a desegregated school, a closed down predominantly black school when Long Island was going through desegregation. And ⁓ this particular park, this particular field was connected to that black school. So I actually am going to be pursuing to try and make that a historical designation. But the village of Freeport was trying to put an Amazon warehouse on that property. was near... ⁓ It was near like a shopping center. was highly congested with traffic already. It was by ⁓ our section eight houses. So this field was like a park for the kids who were living in section eight. And so I worked with a multi-generational coalition and the Teamsters Union to bring the community together. went door knocking, we went canvassing. It was an election year. So I made sure that Governor Hockel and Attorney General James were involved. We reached out to them. We got the attorney general to come in and do an investigation. And she said the village had not done proper, had not followed proper environmental procedures. And the governor vetoed legislation that would have given this property over to the, over from the school district to the village unilaterally. That's awesome. So obviously ⁓ doing this kind of work is, is really baked into who you are. So. taking the step to going to run for Congress wasn't as big as it is for some other people that I've seen that are running right now. ⁓ So that's awesome, that's amazing. ⁓ So if you wouldn't mind giving us ⁓ an idea as you've been going around, as you've obviously lived in your district for your entire life, what are the pain points? I think you talked about at least one of them already, but what are the pain points that that your district is experiencing right now? What are the things people are hoping that the federal government, that you could help with if you got, become a Congresswoman? Yeah, top of line is immigration. I live in a ⁓ very, I live in a purple district, which for those that don't know, kind of means it has the tendency to flip from blue to red. when, Democrats do well in some years, Republicans do well locally, which is kind of like we're inverse in that kind of way. ⁓ But first and foremost, the immigration crisis and ICE are that that's top of mind. That's that's really like the only thing that I can really not that the only thing, but that is the first thing ⁓ I got started in government and politics, working as an intern with Make the Road New York. And they had they were a part of the Long Island Civic, something called the Long Island Civic Engagement Table. And it was based an organization that was dedicated to ⁓ engaging community members and residents in politics, in civics, and holding government accountable. So I've been working specifically in immigration spaces for Haitian communities, as well as the Hispanic community from the beginning. ⁓ so it's that and then the affordability crisis. if you know anything about Long Island, it's that we pay the highest property taxes in the country. And it's just I'm one of those weird candidates. Like I'm 32 years old and I love talking about property taxes because it's so frustrating. Let's have some fun. What do you want to do for fun? Let's talk about property taxes today. Yeah. Let's just pick an easy topic. But the affordability crisis is the number one thing on people's minds right now, not just here in the district, but nationally. We. My county executive, Bruce Blakeman, who was running for governor, has ⁓ entered into two different 287-G agreements here on Long Island. One that allows ICE to use our Nassau County jails as a detention center, and another to allow Nassau County sheriffs to work with ICE in collaboration. So back to what I said about us being a purple district, that guy won re-election. So like I'm in for the fight of my life. Wow. Yeah, I was looking up your district before we started. There's a lot of people running both Republicans and Democrats right now in the primaries. And interestingly enough, for anyone listening, that's not abnormal in 2026. The amount of people that are running for almost every district is absolutely insane. There is one district where 20 people are running. What the shit is that? Just on the just on the Democratic side. That's Illinois. ⁓ yeah, Illinois is turning up right now. Yeah. And then there's another district that's so it's a Chicago district, but there's another Chicago district that has 13 running for the same. So it's just wild. How many ⁓ even in New Jersey, the special election for Mikey Sheryl seat, I think there are. Like 11, eight or eight to 11, I forget which it is, people running just for, for however, what, eight months, seven months they're going to get before they, they're pretty much going to start running the second they get voted in. So yeah, this is, it's amazing how many people are running right now. ⁓ As a, as a campaign manager, one of, I am a big proponent of everyone should run, but also as. as a pragmatic campaign manager, like where does it make sense for you to have an impact? Is this the race that you could actually, because I come from the land of government. I've got state, federal, local, town, village, school board. So there's plenty of opportunities. And I think sometimes people forget that, yeah, the federal, the fed is big and it has a lot of influence and power, but most people like where I got started in local and state government, that's where you feel first. And that's what you feel the most. I just happened to. like who my local representatives is and really just do not like who my federal congress member is. Right. Well, that's the other crazy thing. like Texas, there are Democrats running in every single seat, state and federal, for the first time, like ever. And one of the people I interviewed in the state district has eight people running for the state seat. it's just wild right now. Everybody get in, everybody get in. Well, you know, there's I think a lot of people are seeing that this that that politics right now is extremely broken for a lot of different reasons. ⁓ if if this doesn't show, if this shows nothing else, it shows that more people are paying attention and more people are getting involved than ever before. And I won't I won't disparage that. It's one of the reasons I'm willing to do this much work, because I think it needs to be extremely well known and put out there that there are some amazing people running that aren't bringing in millions of dollars to do it. And hopefully we can change things that way. speaking of problems in the government, ⁓ one of the biggest problems I think that we have right, left, up, down, doesn't matter, federal, state is accountability and or lack thereof. And obviously, I've looked at your page, and that is one of the things that you are very specific about. if you wouldn't mind ⁓ letting people know what you believe, what accountability looks like to you, what being accountable to your constituents would look like, like how you would play that out or how you hope they play that out to you. And then what you see as accountability going forward in Congress, because there's There's probably a lot we can go in on that too. So that's the rest of the show. Yeah, pretty much. So so speaking for me specifically, I have spent the last few years when I had better health insurance because I'm on Medicaid now, I had really good access to therapy and it really taught I was able to work through my own traumas. better be a better communicator. be more accountable to myself and my values. And I think that's something that's really missing for us individually. And then on a larger scale of just speaking to what accountability means interpersonally on a human to human level. I think we've completely lost that. But the next generation, I'm a millennial. I think you're also a millennial. I'm actually Gen X. You look awesome, dude. look millennial. Thank you. You give very little be fair, I'm barely Gen X. I'm in that X any old four year thing. So I'm like right at the end. But yep. Am I right? I feel more like a millennial if that changes anything. I definitely feel more millennial than Gen X at times. Good, good. We'll take you. We'll take you. OK, sounds good. But so for me, you know, during the pandemic, we did a lot of We had a lot of hard conversations during that time period. We were shutting family members out, but first, that wasn't until after we really tried to have some very hard conversations. We want to have hard conversations. want accountability looks like the freedom of being able to discuss a mistake and be able to about face and to grow from making that wrong step. Like, ⁓ okay, I thought X was the right thing to do. I apologize. I didn't mean to. I'm now going to pursue why, like we had originally suggested and making that something that's beneficial. It's a good thing. American exceptionalism and individualism really makes you like go hard on that. No, this is the way, this is the way, even if it's wrong, I'm going this way. And our government operates that same way and it can't. Our government very much operates as though it is a business and from My perspective, it needs to be a nonprofit. Your responsibility is to the people. Our taxpayer dollars are supposed to go towards those that are most in need and to help drive up the rest of us. you provide for those that need most, you help those that need the least. And that is how I've operated. That's how I've built a lot of my organizing spaces. That's where I feel most safe. So I'll use a perfect example. Even most recently on this campaign, was ⁓ trying to hold sterality, my campaign launch, and it was going to be in person and it was going to be at the high school. And I was ⁓ going to be at the high school and it was cold. It was supposed to be a snowstorm because the weather, if we're going to throw ice at people, Mother Nature is going to throw ice at us. That's basically what- much. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. She was like, y'all want to play this kind of game? I'm going play it with you. I had to figure out, ⁓ I had to figure out, I changed the event. I made it virtual, but I had skipped a step. In order to use the public space that I was using, it's not actually a public space, it's a public school. So I had to fill out a form and fill out a proper procedure. I didn't do that. And I thought that we were gonna be outside, we weren't gonna be in the building. I thought filling out the form was just going to be used for the building. That was a mistake, I was wrong. I admitted to my supporters, like hey, I made a mistake. I said that this event was going to be at. be outside at Freeport high school. I did not follow proper procedure. thought I focused and based my actions on my own assumption and assumptions making ass out of you and me. And that's my bed. should have filled out the form. I should have made a call. This event is now going to be virtual. It's that simple. would like it's, is okay to admit that you've made a mistake. better for it. need to accountability helps build trust within our communities and within our between our government and its constituency. And we have severely lost it. And we've been losing it for decades and for generations. So in order to bring it back, we need to make it okay to say I'm sorry. And we need to make it we need to praise realignment and adjustment. So how do you see, because obviously we have a government right now that never, at least 97 % of the government will never admit that they've made any mistake about anything. And it's always someone else's fault. How do you see a government taking accountability? How do you see the idea of a government that takes accountability moving forward? I know I gave you an easy question and everything. We're going to fix everything right here, by the way, just in case anyone was wondering. Right now we're fixing it. Honestly, the way he's, the way our, our, the Trump regime is trying to take over elections right now, that's kind of, that's the first battle. We got to there. That's true. I am a big supporter of intergenerational organizing. However, the current leaders, the current elders of our institutions are of a generation and a demographic that are not accustomed to apologizing and about facing. And that's going to be a hard, that's going to be a hard adjustment. ⁓ But it has to happen. The same, again, going back to 2020, like our elders didn't like it and we stopped talking to them. It's kind of hard to stop talking to elected. So I am, I'm very proud. of the Americans that continue to go out and protest, continue to make phone calls, that continue to, I don't want to say harass, but harass their elected officials. you is, for me, affordability allows us the space to be accountable and to build accountability. want parents to be, I want families and students to be able to only be working for four days a week. have a livable wage so that you can pay attention to your children, to your government, to your families. The only way that that accountability happens is if you're watching. We have to constantly watch the watchmen and we have to reengage our civic arm. need to be going to our meetings. We need to reinstate PBS. We need to bring independent journalism to the forefront. We need to invest in those kinds of things. We need to bolster our accountability arm through allowing the public access to our representatives and their leaders and encouraging them to call them and encouraging our leaders to come home more often. we, Washington DC is far, if you don't represent Maryland, Delaware, or Virginia. if you're, there needs to be, and you know, everything we can no longer say, you know, we have to be in person for everything. No, we need to be, we need more green energy. to allow us to be home in a more green way and in a way that's less harmful to our environment. But we don't have to be in the workplace that much. And I would say the same for government. I'm a big proponent of ⁓ making adjustments to how, as best as we can, in the time that we have, in the time of a congressional term, which is only two years, which I'm also interested in changing and adding term limits to, ⁓ but making sure that there's an opportunity for representatives to go home more and outside of it just being an election year. ⁓ There was a, so for me, accountability includes voting reform. It includes election reform. It includes political reforms. There are a lot of reforms. we, we changing the whole thing. We got a whole bag to go. So that actually goes into an interesting question that I've got, which is. Division, whether or not it's something that has been taught to us or is a reality, is still something that we are experiencing a lot of. So this is a two-part question. One, what is it like for you going around your district when you talk with people that maybe lean more on the conservative side and tend to vote more on the conservative side when they interact with you and they find out you've got a D next to your name? And then How do you see us moving forward, trying to work past that division, which again, is in some ways baked into some of who we are, especially if you are someone who has looked like me. I'm going to be straight. I'm all about having hard conversations. And this is a reality that we live in, which is division has been nurtured and pressed and created by people that look like me in this country. And we've got to get past that. So how do we get past that? Well, first, I'm proud of you for admitting it. Good job. ⁓ Thank you. That's the first step. But honestly, I our generation has grown up more educated, more diverse. And this district is no is an example of that. Many of my organizing friends and I, we talk a lot about how Long Island is a microcosm of the United States. Sixty four percent of Americans live in suburbs. 48, actually more than that, ⁓ 78 % of Americans have grown up in very diverse communities. When I was asked this, say something of a similar question of how I'm going to appeal to those that are different, either farther left or farther right than me, my argument is everybody has a wallet. We're all dealing with an affordability crisis. And for me, as someone who's a reparations ⁓ advocate, as someone who fights for immigration reform, I love using language to have hard conversations. So I love saying the thing without saying the thing. You can go back to property taxes because I love talking about it. Everybody hates property taxes. Yeah, I love having the conversation of the reason why property taxes exist is because it was a way to keep black and brown communities out of white homes. The GI bill is a form of socialism and it will allow families on Long Island, specifically in my district, to be able to buy a home. want that same level. Socialism is not a bad thing. You've had it. You've had it. So now the rest of us want it. And now we need to come to terms with the reality that a whole generation was able to get. loans and jobs and well-paying ⁓ positions that allowed them to go on vacation to save for retirement and build generational wealth. But their children, not all of their children have that. The job market is not the same. The housing market is not the same. Child care, health care, these things are not the same anymore. There was a government in place after World War II, after the wealth that... We, America was able to generate after that post-war era that allowed the middle class to actually form and create my district in our, our district in particular. So to, I have to do better with that. It's not me, it's we. So I, I, I divest from, yes, I am a Democrat. I am a progressive. Being a progressive to me means making things affordable. We already pay the most in taxes. We just need to better manage our budget. And we need to pay more attention to the things that are going to lower crime, which are programs and resources that prevent crime, making sure housing is available, making sure children have afterschool programs, making sure families are paid well, making sure that everyone has healthcare. These are common sense things. ironically enough, one thing that... I have been approached by quite a few MAGA supporters who are also like, know, the two siding factions don't let us talk to each other. And I was like, you just walked up to me. So I don't know what you mean. You feel, I clearly make you feel comfortable enough to come and talk to me. You want to talk about this. So if you, if that's what we are acknowledging that we want to have these hard conversations. So let's have them. Let's have them. Yeah. I would also almost argue that What we also need is to focus, and you said it a little bit, but it's the need to focus on what caused the wound, not just the band-aid that you're putting on after the wound. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Well said. Thank you. I've talked about it quite a few times, so I feel like I'm getting a little more used to it. So obviously, There's a lot of other things that have gone on, especially over this last year. One of the biggest things is our place on the world stage has been forever probably changed. Not for probably, has been forever changed by this administration. Whether you're talking how people see us because of things like ice. because of the tariffs we've put in place, because of Venezuela, because of the whole thing with Greenland, because of the calls to leave NATO, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. could probably, it'd be whole episode just going down that list. Regardless of what this administration thinks, our place at the table is no longer the same. And there is very good argument to say that because of what this administration has done just in this year, there is no reason for any country to ever trust anything that our government says about anything, especially when it comes to trade deals or treaties or anything of the such. How do you see us moving forward in the world when there's that over our heads? Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes that's all you can say, and I do understand that. Well, I mean, I think this goes back to the question you asked me about accountability. Like we, we, we have failed our partners. We have failed our partners nationally. And, we've also, before Trump became president, we have not been a good global leader and a good global ally. We've made, we've made quite a few blunders, whether it be Biden, whether it be Obama, whether it be, you know, before, before, before. So with this, what makes me excited about this next election. is that there are many of us who are, again, we're very diverse. We're very well read. We are paying attention and we're more mindful about where we put our big feet. And I feel confident in saying that because I wear a size 11 shoe. we, the United States go around and we don't, we don't put our hands out first. just stomp. And it's time for us to, to, to use a a style of diplomacy that is respectful and dignified of others, of the sovereignty of other nations, the reality of their plights and the plights that we have caused in their nations. We have to take a lot of accountability for everything that's happened in Latin America, everything that's happening in the Middle East, everything that's been happening in Africa. We have to take accountability for our stance and positions in a lot of these places. And we can't keep saying, you know, We can't keep complaining about the immigration crisis when it's been our fault. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did a video. I just posted a video with a friend of mine and we spent I feel like we spent half the time sighing every time we talked about what was going on because there were just some times where you just get to go. And this is wild. It's wild that we've reached this point. I it was going to it was bound to happen. Yeah. It was dumb to happen because we were, we are, we're coming to a turning point, not to be kitty, not to be, you know, turn a freight. ⁓ But truly like we, ⁓ there are some, there's, who's the Andrew Gustamant or the CIA everyday spy guy. I've been watching his videos. I've been watching warfronts. I've been, I've been invested. Like I want to know what's going on because it. puts Americans at risk. when we, I went abroad to, I talk about this on my social media, ⁓ I went abroad to Italy and I had a little vacation my sister got proposed to and we had a little trip, it was great, it was cute. But the most depressing part of the trip was everyone knew I was an American and it was a different type of disdain from being a black American versus being an American abroad. They were like, ugh. Like what happened? Like why is Trump president? I was like, I didn't do that. I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So I live in a abroad. It's one thing for me to be at home and well read and explain why our country is where it is. It's another to be abroad and to explain to our allies why we're in the position that we're in and have them look at you as though they're like, yeah, you're saying this, but I can't trust you. I've always, I've talked with a few different people about it. And I've, I've wondered whether or not we are going to have to go a little farther than we are comfortable with to show. And maybe at some point you can come back a little bit after, but almost we have to show how serious we are by going a little farther. things that always come to my mind are, you know, maybe America has to put ourselves under the international criminal court. Something we've never done. because we always. want to be able to do whatever we want. And maybe we should no longer be able to do whatever we want. maybe we need to get rid of the security council with veto ability for anybody. mean, let's make a UN that actually can do things as a UN. So yeah. All right. So as we're getting towards the end here, if anyone has listened this far and listened to everything we've talked about, What is one or two things that you would want to make sure that they come away with about you, about your campaign, over everything else? We're excited. We're recognizing the moment and it's not that people are apathetic. it's that people wanna do something. They wanna be engaged. We wanna be pointed in a direction. And we wanna get behind people and candidates that are gonna take this seriously and be accountable and mean what they say and act accordingly. And that's what I hope to do. I wanna invest more in mutual aid. Although I recognize the importance of me running for office and voting is one tool in our toolbox, but really it's building community. It's building solidarity. It's providing for your neighbors when they are- are in need that's going to actually make you feel better. Vote, like the election, my first I have to get onto the ballot. So petitioning starts February 24th and it goes until April 2nd. I've got weeks before that. Then you've got the June primary because there's four of us right now that have filed in this primary. I'm hoping it stays that way. that's until June 24th. And then the election is in November. This is all months away. There are things, steps and actions that people can be taking now like joining Icewatch. joining a food pantry, go and volunteer. The more you do and the more you're outside of your home, because I live in a suburb and I really am engaged in getting people outside of their homes, because you'll be less afraid of the world if you go and see where you live. So that's, I'm invested, I'm not new to this, I'm true to this, I'm invested in making sure that. our communities feel not just represented, but like they have an actual community, regardless of how big the district is, regardless of where they are in the district, because that's what matters. If anyone's interested in learning more about you ⁓ or even wants to help support you, where can they find you? You can go on kianaphercongress.com. I have a wonderful website. It's pretty. It's very nice. Go check it out. very nice. I can confirm that. It's like so cute. I had all the best colors. My favorite colors are in there. And then from my website, you can find me on all of this. Many of the non major corporate owned with the exception of like Facebook and Instagram, because those are the largest platforms. I have Instagram, I have Facebook, have Blue Sky, have threads, I have TikTok. I'm trying to move off of TikTok, trying to build up that digital security. But where you are, I am. And I talk a lot, especially on my Instagram, I use that most. I talk a lot about the different policies and my ideas and, and want to do, ⁓ live so that I can talk to the constituents more. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on here and talking with me. It was great to get to know you and learn about how you hope to help the people of the 4th District. ⁓ For anyone else that got this far, thank you so much for listening. I really appreciate it. Please like, subscribe, hit all the buttons down below. It really helps me out. Just for those of you that aren't aware, ⁓ I am attempting ⁓ to interview as many people and as many progressives that are running for office. for before the 2026 midterm. There are so many amazing people running, veterans, parents, scientists, just the gambit. You would be amazed at how many people are running. ⁓ But they're trying to do it the right way. They're trying to not take, they're not taking PAC money. They're not, they're doing it all grassroots. They want real change. They want to get rid of the status quo. But one thing that comes with all of that is they, don't get as much visibility, they don't get as much name recognition because they aren't doing what most politicians have been doing up until this point. So one of the things you can do is watch these videos. It'll help Kiana out, it'll help everyone else out that's trying to, that's doing it the right way, what many of us have considered the right way ⁓ for so long now. So please help that out. Also just know that the goal of this podcast has always been to have hard conversations when necessary, to... break the status quo and to make sure that all people, no matter your race, religion, gender, or identity, get rights, respect, dignity, and safety. So again, Kiana, thank you so much for being here. And for everyone else, we'll see you next time on Breaking the Meta. Bye, guys.