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The Wellness Way:Dr. Patrick Flynn · Deep Dive into Joy

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So I just want to invite my joy listeners today.
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I am have a special guest, Dr. Patrick Flynn,
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DC. And Dr. Patrick is a chiropractor, a current
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medical student for masters of immunology and
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the founder of the wellness way. He is also the
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author of I still disagree. And this book can
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be found on his website at the wellness way .com
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along with a bunch of other awesome knowledge
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that I follow. So, Dr. Patrick, welcome to the
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podcast. I'm very excited to have you on. Oh,
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it's an honor. Very excited. I look up to you
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so much. I don't know if you're able to read
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over the notes, but I personally have just walked
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through a cancer journey two years ago. So, I
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was diagnosed in 24. I just recently got through
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all the surgeries and the treatment. So, I'm
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on the other side of it, thank goodness. One
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thing that I'm curious about, because whenever
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I went through this journey, it was all about
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now I'm holistic health and wellness. Like I
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wanted to know everything. That is when I came
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upon your page. So I've been following you ever
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since, but I saw you on Culture Apothecary with
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Alex Clark and I heard your story about when
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you and your wife first met. So I was wondering
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if you could share that story with my listeners,
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because I think it's fascinating. Yeah, and we
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were just finishing up school in 1999 in July.
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We met and we started dating and then she actually
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was very sick before I even met her since she
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was a teenager. And this time she was 22 and
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I'm 24. And she had four diagnosis codes. She
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had endometriosis, also have colitis, cystic
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acne and cluster headaches. And what had happened
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was she was extremely sick and then they told
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her she couldn't have children. And from the
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standpoint of what she was going through, she
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was She was going to many doctors, taking many
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medications. She was also taking a lot of supplements.
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She was also seeing a chiropractor. And she just
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continued to get worse. And so with the background
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I have and everything, which obviously is more
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than the chiropractor, and I'm currently, immunology
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has always been my major focus since I was even
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starting to practice, is the fact that I just
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knew there were some things going on that weren't
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answering the questions. And I started to figure
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them out. And of course, now 25 years later,
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we have, I see 27 years later, we have four beautiful
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daughters and healthiest can be. And I started
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with one practice here in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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And with those concepts, we branched offices
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all over the United States and all over Europe.
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And it's just been nothing more than just sharing
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information where people can take control of
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their health and come from a different perspective.
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I do believe that so there's no confusion. I
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do believe I have great examples to understand
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what medicine is needed and when it's not and
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things like that. And there's no, I tell people.
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When it comes to healthcare, you just have to
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know what to use when and what's the best doctor
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to guide you at the time. And I think there's
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so much confusion when that happens. You hear
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from both sides, which I'm kind of in the middle,
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you're from the medical side, like, you know,
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you only do this and everything and holistic
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is ridiculous. And there's flip sides of people,
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like everything's holistic and medicine's bad.
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I'm like, guys, actually it's right in the middle.
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The vast majority of healthcare should be more
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of what we do, because we're so dominant in medications.
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And so therefore I said, it's just a way of actually
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starting to show people what they can do to take
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control of their own health. And I think that's
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what our current medical system does not like,
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you know, is the fact that it's like, and that's
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why I love the internet. That's why I love social
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media. That's why I love AI is yet you can find
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out that a lot of doctors say a lot of dumb stuff
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on a regular basis. You don't have to believe
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me. Back when I was a kid, you couldn't research
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stuff. So this wasn't one of my questions, but
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I do have a couple of friends that have gone
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through like IVF and they're not getting any
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answers from their DYN doctors or anything like
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that. They go through lab testing, all the tests
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possible, and they still don't get any answers.
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What advice would you have for them? Because
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your wife got pregnant with their, her problems.
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What advice would you give to them for like next
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steps? Let's go, let's go and let's take it from
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first of all, our current healthcare system is
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called the medical field. Okay. Is, um, you know,
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a woman can present with endocrine issues, immune
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issues, they can have uterine issues, like legitimately,
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I'm not joking, I left my meeting, I came right
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in here to make sure we start on time. And I
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literally, I can honestly tell you, I literally
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got an email, actually from a chiropractor to
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his wife, they sent me her ultrasound. Okay.
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And I literally have it, no joke, on my phone
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right here. And it's kind of funny, I just was
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walking, I popped up, here's your pelvic thin,
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obviously, I'm going to cover it up that way.
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But it's like you can actually see it right there.
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And because she says endometriosis. Now she's
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seeing very good doctors. Now what do I mean
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by good doctors? The vast majority, the vast
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majority of professionals, medical, endocrinologist,
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you know, pediatricians, all the doctors, they
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have the best interests in mind. They want to
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see the person get better, but their tools are
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limited. Just for example, come more on, like
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you said, the holistic realm. Most of them are
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very kind hearted. They want to help that way.
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But they all everybody has limited tools. I have
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limited tools. That's why there has to be that's
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why there has to be an interconnection of doctors.
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So when I was going to my wife's appointments,
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from their perspective, they're like, okay, the
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uterus has to come out. And now, understand the
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fact that they don't know how to get that your
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respect to normal. Okay, see, and they have no
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problem with that. So therefore, a uterus that
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is riddled with endometriosis, which on ultrasound,
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which on surgery because sometimes you have to
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do some exploratory surgery on some of these
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things to get a true diagnosis. If you take an
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implanted, even perfectly fertilized egg and
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try to implant it onto a bad uterus, it's not
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going to work. Do you understand? And see, remember,
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the reason why my wife was told she couldn't
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have children, if you ask the doctors her state
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of her health, I kind of agree with them. I really
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do. Her uterus was extremely thick, there was
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a lot of problems, scarring, everything like
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that. And from their perspective, not be able
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to do anything besides maybe scrape the uterus,
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but that still leaves problems there. The body
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has to start to get back to normal, because a
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normal function body will produce babies, a very
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sick body. And so if you just try to alter it
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and put IVF, which I'm a fan of IVF, I have no
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problem with IVF, but putting a fertilized egg
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onto a very bad uterus, It's not going to grab
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the bite. The body is so intelligent. It goes,
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I'm not going to be able to develop this baby.
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So it gets rid of it. I think miscarriages is
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a very sad, emotional thing. But you know what
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the body said? It's not going to work. It's not
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going to work. This could be detrimental for
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the baby I'm trying to develop, also for the
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mother itself. So miscarriages are not by mistake.
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The body just rids it because it's not the appropriate
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time. Wow. That's yeah, I agree with that. Um,
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so what was the deciding factor that made you
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go back for your master's for immunology? Was
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it just your wife's story or you said you always
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had. No, it's, uh, trying to get me in trouble
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now. Okay. So when I went to school, my focus
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was nutrition and immunology. All right. Um,
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and it was always more towards a holistic realm.
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That's why, for example, my health issue has
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even got me to even go to care about the school
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was failed medical things that happened with
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myself. My wife's story didn't happen until I
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was pretty much done with graduate school. I
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was literally three months from graduate school
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done with chiropractic school before I actually
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met her. Well, here's the point. But my undergraduate
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and my focus back in school, even in my postgraduate,
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was immunology and nutrition. Because yes, I
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have my doctorate in chiropractic, but there
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is a, which is absolutely incredible. It gives
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me a viewpoint on certain things, but it also
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gives me limited tools. You understand, just
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like a surgeon has limited tools. A general practitioner
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has limited tools. We all do, okay? But the major
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thinking that really helped me figure out a lot
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of problems in anybody was actually the immune
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system. It doesn't matter if it's fertility,
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it doesn't matter if it's cancer, it doesn't
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matter what it is. And so I've always been obsessed
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with the immune system. So I took postgraduate
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classes, even post undergraduate and also graduate
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school. And then what happened is this. COVID,
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because of my background in immunology, I realized
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that they lie constantly. Government scientists
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lied so badly. that what happens is just my basic
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training, just my basic courses, just all my
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undergraduate and stuff like that in immunology,
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it was so easy to show how much they lie about
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vaccines, how much they lie about viruses and
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bacteria and things like that. And I'm around
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PhD immunologists all the time now, but I also
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befriended people when I was an undergraduate
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in graduate school because immunology was one
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of my big focuses. And then it ended up being
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a fight. And when I would present my material,
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I'd get, I presented at care about schools, medical
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schools, and I had labs like crazy to present
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all the things about immune deficiencies of that.
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Whenever somebody disagrees with you, what happens
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is this, and they cannot attack the message.
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They try to attack the messenger. So I've built,
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obviously wonderful, big, huge company from nothing.
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We now have all over the world. And I knew that
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RFK is doing a wonderful job trying to fight
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the establishment. And even though he doesn't
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have a background, he has a really good history
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of being the greatest environmental lawyer in
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history. So if you ever noticed the tear that
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they do with him, he has no experience. He has
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no this, this and this. Well, the people that
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did have experience led us into COVID. Do you
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see what I'm saying? So don't worry about experience.
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Don't tell me about experts. Look where they
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led us. But there are people that are willing
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to fight for the public. And here's what happens.
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And because no one would just look up my post
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my undergraduate, my postgraduate stuff that
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way, they would always try to just label me as
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a chiropractor. Now, once again, chiropractic
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has given me a very good view on how to really
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address all these things. The thinking of a chiropractor,
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if you look at his history, is what set me up
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to even figure out all these hormonal and immune
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things. But my tools are limited. So I said,
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you want something? RFKs are only going to be
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there for so long. You still need people that
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are going to fight for people's rights. Because
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do you really think, they've been doing this
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since I was in, since... 50 years. There's some
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viruses gonna wipe us all out here. It's just
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remember anytime you hear pandemic outbreak,
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just think propaganda. It's just propaganda for
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vaccine sales. That's all this period. It's all
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this. Okay, just like Ebola and Honda. It's like,
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we're just gonna try to get some government money
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and you're gonna try to warp speed stuff and
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we're gonna try to push on Americans people across
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the world. It's just it's just a money grab.
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It's like, it's we need people that are fight.
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So I just decided to go back to finish my master's
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and I'm gonna then I'm gonna enter the PhD program.
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in the same medical school, and I'm going to
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continue that. And I'm going to, I should be
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done here within some years here. My master's
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isn't too far from completion. It gives me a
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little bit more in the fight, the battle, maybe
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a little bit more credibility, even though the
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fight persists. I haven't learned anything different
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than I already knew. But give me a point, so
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I decided to, I'm doing it to have a voice to
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fight for the public. So there may be some questions
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I ask you. I didn't have prepared but since you
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brought up rfk jr how do you feel about this
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current administration like do you think it's
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best we've had since i've been born yeah yes
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do you think they're gonna make it far in like
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passing no all of these like no that's what i
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thought my concern is the food right now the
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food and water but yes because the myth that
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he's gone and you have somebody else in power,
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all the stuff that they're doing right now will
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be wiped out. Just look at politics in general.
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That's how it works. That's why, for example,
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governments should have no influence on these
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things. Zero. None. Zero. Not the public side.
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See, that's why people realize, you know, just
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get government out of it. Because all it takes
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is the vaccine company to give billions of dollars.
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And it's a nice thing. You couldn't bribe RFK.
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He was already wealthy. He already did wonderful
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things. And vast majority of politicians, Republican
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and Democrat, they're easily bought off. Trust
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me, I know I do. So my history was alveolar soft
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part sarcoma. That was my cancer. It's very rare.
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Um, I did have a couple of nodules that went
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to the lung. Um, so I had surgery, they removed
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everything. I had immunotherapy for like seven
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months and then we did radiation. So I was trying
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to do like holistic care alongside of my conventional
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care. Um, so I found a local chiropractor that
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does holistic wellness and he just came alongside
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me and we looked over labs, you know, anything
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I needed to support my body, that's what we were
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doing. So I have always had that love of just
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natural wellness, even before my diagnosis, I
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wasn't into it like I am now. But so I just I
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kind of want to start out just asking you a few
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personal questions. And, you know, this isn't
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medical advice, always do your research, talk
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to your doctor, whatever you need to do. But
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I always advocate for myself and I encourage
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other people to do that as well. So what are
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the best supplements that you can take after
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going through a cancer journey just kind of to
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get like the most for your money? Yeah. So what
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you're kind of asking, because remember, every
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person, let me just lay down some framework.
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Every person's immune system is different. Every
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person's stressors that affect their health are
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very different. So therefore, That's where the
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investigation happens. Now, you said the key
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word, your body always needs support through
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the day. Do I mean, it needs support at night
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to sleep. It needs support. No, I mean, take
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anything. Sleep is support for the immune system,
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brain, nervous system, endocrine system. Do you
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follow me? And if you look at the movement, movement
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is support for the immune system, endocrine system.
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So support is a very key word. Eating healthy
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is support for all the systems. Now, if you do
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look at some of the things that can lead to deficiencies,
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all right, now we're going to talk about this
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in general, because I'm just let me let me tell
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for all the audience. I am very immune biased.
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Okay. I'm very biased. Now, Gina, you're gonna
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love that immune bias, because here you're thinking
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this way. And let me let me get some simple concepts
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in your head first. If you look at what the wonderful
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conventional doctors did, see, and I want you
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guys to set the basis here. Here's my analogy
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that needs to spread all over the world. So then
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you understand my viewpoint. And actually, Gina,
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you should use this too, because then you don't
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come off combative when it does come to medical
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procedures. I say, Doc, the medical scientists
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in government lied to us. Yeah, there are bad
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people out there. But the vast, like I said before,
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vast majority of doctors, both in medical and
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holistic, are not that way. They're very caring.
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Trust me, I talk to all of them, okay? But the
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idea is this. I always say, remember, medicine's
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the fight department. If all of a sudden, so
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medical care is fight department care. Because
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you know why if you're also on fire and you're
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gonna die from cancer die from heart disease
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Your fire department is gonna use an axe and
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hose to put the fire your doctor is gonna use
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drugs or surgery There's your axe and hose to
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put the fire and they did that with you Thank
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God you're saying because what that does that
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gives you a chance to extend your life, but even
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through their treatments There is some destruction
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to the house That's why there's negative side
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effects. I'm not saying not do it, I'm just saying
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understand that you need to be supporting aka
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carpenter type work when the house is actually
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at least not going to burn down. You need carpenter
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type doctors which is more the holistic realm
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and you need to support and rebuild those tissues.
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Now if either one of them say that they're not
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needed I'm going to call BS on both of them because
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you can't rebuild the house when axe in the hose
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and you can't put a fire out with plaster and
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lumber and nail and hammers. Okay, so the analogy
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to understand that for example, I'm in the middle
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saying sometimes there's need and sometimes congruent
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care is very needed for example So when you're
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going through chemotherapy or going through radiation
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Do you understand that though? Do you know what
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they're trying to do with that? They're trying
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to do with what your immune system is already
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programmed to do So I'm gonna I'll make a prediction
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and I'm just telling you this it'll make complete
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sense in order to even get cancer You had to
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have some immune issue Period there's some immune
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issue Because even think what chemotherapy and
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radiation did. You have cells that are programmed
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to go after those cells. But if you're immune
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deficient, they're going to grow. Okay. And then
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you can have other things like endocrine issues
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that can multiply. You can have just like the
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endometriosis. Hormone issue can turn into endometrial
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cancer later and ovarian cancer, all things.
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So for example is this. So when I look at supporting
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the body, I'm going to always be biased because
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the immune system protects us from even COVID.
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even the flu, even everything that way. So let's
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start here. If you don't get good sleep and good
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movement, there's no supplement. Zero. Zero.
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Even one bad night of sleep affects your immune
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system. Now, you can recover by getting some
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more rest that way, but sleep and movement are
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the two most beneficial things. Let's just start
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there. And here's what happens. Gina, how much
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does sleep and movement cost you? Nothing. I
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know. And if you think this way, People don't
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sleep well and people are not moving a lot right
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now. Mm -hmm next Do not be deficient in nutrients
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Do not even Sam and if you look at some very
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good animal products and very good fiber You
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can cover the vast majority of things. Okay now
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Here's what happens One of the most regulating
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things to our immune system comes from the Sun
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comes from the Sun and so therefore I live in
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the Midwest. The vast majority of time, we don't
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get a lot of sun. Do you know that even my clinics
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that are down in Florida and Texas and stuff
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like that, when we run their vitamin D levels,
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they're usually always low, okay? So have these
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deficiencies replicated. So if you look at things
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that I know people are deficient on, they're
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so, you're hearing this so much conversation,
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omega -6s. Remember guys, we need omega -6s.
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And so to all my holistic people, yes. Do people
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eat too many omega -6s? Yes, so all of these
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seed oils, but guess what happens? If your omega
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-3s are normal, you can get away with having
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seed oils. Now, I know a lot of my holistic people
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hate that. Do you understand? Omega -3s are the
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most important. So therefore, the omega -3s are
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extremely important. And so that's why I tell
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people, if you are not eating, like, for example,
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I had sardines already today, okay? I'm going
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to eat enough things so I'm not have to sup them
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with it. But most people don't, so they need
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to take omega -3. Some people don't get enough
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sun, so they need to take vitamin D. Now, here's
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where I'm a little bit biased. because I look
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at how the immune system functions and I want
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to be supportive for the production of our stem
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cells. I want to be supportive to our thymus
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gland so it can convert our B and T cells properly
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and but mainly T cells because thymus that's
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why it's called T cells is where conversion happens.
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B cells can happen in other places but the idea
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is this is so I'm going to give somebody reishi
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mushroom okay because I want to be supportive
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for those things. My daughter's had omega -3's
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of reishi mushroom and vitamin D since they were
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born. And therefore, now during, is there more
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things you need to do? Absolutely. But if you
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just talk about some support that can make a
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dramatic change, start with those lifestyle things.
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Start with the foods, don't be deficient. Now
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people say, but doc, what about toxicities? Yeah,
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people do a lot of toxic stuff that actually
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affects their immune system, their immune system,
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their digestive system. But just some basic things
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like that are dramatically for people that you
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don't need a doctor for. I love that. So if like
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where you live, same with me, we live in Pennsylvania,
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so not a lot of sunshine. Would you recommend
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red light therapy? Because I am a big user on
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red light therapy. Well, red light does offer
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something different than the sun. Now, our different
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infrareds and stuff, yeah, if you actually, if
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I were to, if you were to go over to, so I'm
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in my big studio. I have a huge studio here,
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I've got smaller studios too, but over to this
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room over here, part of my studio, there's a
20:09
wonderful, amazing red light bed, okay? And because
20:12
there's certain frequencies of light that I want
20:14
to get, and red light is absolutely amazing,
20:16
okay? And so therefore, that's why you can be
20:19
very specific about wavelengths you want to get
20:21
based on having a red light therapy bed, so absolutely
20:24
amazing. I am a big fan of it. About skin. You
20:28
know, my bet over there is $75 ,000. The average
20:30
person is not going to buy that thing. But there's
20:33
little lights that you can get. There's wonderful
20:35
companies out there that you can buy red lights
20:36
from. They're small, and you can put them at
20:38
your desk and things like that. So yeah, it's
20:40
absolutely incredible. So I also personally have
20:43
the MTHFR gene. So obviously, my body isn't going
20:47
to detoxify the way it should. And maybe that
20:50
played a part in my cancer diagnosis. But what
20:53
would you recommend for that? Well, eat methyl
20:56
groups. See method groups were very common, you
21:00
know 40 50 years ago see method groups You know
21:02
when you the organ meats, you know, which is
21:04
you guys know if you follow my stuff I love organ
21:06
meats. I think already meats are one of the most
21:08
nutritional dense foods on the planet You know,
21:10
for example my marketing director before we walked
21:13
in here We had a meeting and she was eating liver
21:15
or hash. So she was eating in heart Okay within
21:18
her within her food. I I have a chunk of liver
21:22
every day, you know which has heart, liver, and
21:24
kidney in there. And so there's specific things
21:27
that you're gonna get in there that are very
21:28
nutrient dense, including methyl groups. Now,
21:31
maybe you're not gonna get kids and people today
21:33
to do it, but that's where, okay then. But if
21:36
we end up putting in a capsule, which does cost
21:38
a lot more, that's what you call supplementing.
21:43
But get people to do lifestyle things, it's much
21:45
better. It's very common, I think about 40 %
21:47
of people have triggered the genes. And so therefore,
21:51
what you want to do is this, you won't need to,
21:53
I encourage you to get a, it's a simple swab,
21:55
get a test done. You know what I'm saying? Don't
21:56
leave it up to chance. I think everybody, I love
21:58
labs so much to see where the body's at that
22:01
you can, you know, that's where the whole aspect
22:02
of don't guess what anybody's buying. Look at
22:04
the things that you need to do to make sure to
22:05
support it. Now, if you don't have a problem
22:08
with the methylation that way, which is just
22:10
one part of our liver, for example, that helps
22:13
us remove certain things, bind, metabolize, convert,
22:18
you would have without that. With that deficiency,
22:21
it's very hard for you to not, like you said,
22:23
some is detox, some is hormonal conversion, some
22:26
is reading other things besides toxins out of
22:28
our bodies, conversion of hormones. So therefore
22:31
you need to take that support if you're not eating
22:33
that support. Yeah, I've heard some people say,
22:37
because I guess it's the look of eating the liver
22:40
and stuff too, but they chop it up and they freeze
22:42
it and take it like a capsule. So maybe that's
22:44
some advice somebody can use if they don't like
22:47
the looks of it. I tell people when you're first
22:50
doing it, hey, most people will make some ground
22:53
beef for like tacos. Okay. In my house, I have
22:55
three freezers, an organic grass finished beef,
22:59
same thing with a lamb and pork and stuff. And
23:02
all them once again, properly raised and from
23:04
start to finish. And when we're making a hamburger,
23:07
we'll throw, we'll ground up some of the liver,
23:09
put about one third liver and two thirds hamburger.
23:12
Guess what happens? Throw that on, have a little
23:14
taco salad through, you know, arugula and salsa.
23:18
I love goat cheese on there and things that bunch
23:20
and you have a little taco salad with that. You
23:21
have no, you can, and it's just part of your
23:23
diet. So therefore I'm not buying a methyl cobalamin
23:26
for $30 a bottle. I love that. So what's the
23:31
best way to get protein in during the day and
23:33
how much should women be getting versus men?
23:36
Well, it's more based on your lean muscle mass.
23:40
And let's say your ideal body weight, for example,
23:42
you know, I'm a, I'm five foot 11, 198 pounds.
23:45
Okay. So I want to be right around 190 pounds.
23:48
So I should be roughly getting 190 grams of protein
23:51
per day. Now, if my lean muscle mass is not that
23:53
much, so maybe I could get away with 150 and
23:55
stuff because of my percent body fat and everything.
23:58
But people don't eat enough protein. Your immune
24:00
system is very protein dependent. It really is.
24:03
Most of your body is very protein dependent.
24:05
And it's not a craze right now. People eating
24:06
so much protein actually know just people have
24:08
been so deficient for so long. They're starting
24:10
to realize that these are the problems that come
24:11
with it. So, just kind of think this way. If
24:14
you want to weigh 120 pounds, and that's your
24:16
ideal lean muscle mass, then you want to eat
24:18
120 grams, okay? And people say, well, that's
24:21
a lot of food. Not really. Because here's why.
24:24
You're gonna find out by eating good proteins
24:26
and fibers, you are satisfied quicker, your calorie
24:29
intake goes down, and then guess what happens
24:31
to your weight? Sam? So you're getting high dense
24:35
food with a lot of great minerals and vitamins
24:39
with lower calorie, which is... causes you to
24:42
lose weight. Okay. And how can we properly lower
24:47
inflammation in our bodies? Like what are some
24:50
natural remedies we could do for that? Because
24:51
that's one of my biggest things is keeping my
24:54
immune system healthy and lowering inflammation.
24:58
Let's step back and look at inflammation in general,
25:01
because this is where I started probably the
25:04
first talk ever in the holistic realm 30 years
25:06
ago about inflammation. But now it's a catchphrase
25:09
and they kind of are using it too much and not
25:11
teaching the public properly. You know, for example,
25:13
if you know, my body gets a sliver, there's an
25:17
inflammatory response, you want that inflammatory
25:18
response, it has to rid that foreign body. Let's
25:21
say that you twist your ankle, you want that
25:23
inflammatory response, you need to repair process
25:25
to remove all the dead and dying tissue and damaged
25:27
tissue to bring in new tissue. But it has to
25:30
also end and regenerate repair. So when people
25:34
say doc, tumeric and think no, no, no, no. Okay.
25:37
Here's what happens. When you look at, you know,
25:40
don't never look at natural things like medicine.
25:44
Because here's what happens. You want to reduce
25:45
inflammation, just take a steroid. It'll happen
25:46
very quickly. You'll be out of pain quickly.
25:48
And guess what happens is this. Now, what does
25:50
it do? It destroys the immune system. Now, that
25:52
leads to your deficiencies, cancers, all things
25:54
like that. So, but here's what happens is this.
25:56
You have to sit down. We have to go stop triggering
25:59
the immune system. People are inflamed because
26:01
they're doing so many inflammatory things. So
26:03
taking turmeric or taking steroids is the same
26:05
thought process. You're trying to change the
26:07
immune system to stop triggering it. Find the
26:10
triggers. And for example, what really got me
26:13
into my realm of healthcare was allergies. Foods
26:17
that I thought were good were actually triggering
26:20
to my body, not other people's body, mine. Can
26:24
you say them? Now, the great thing is my IgE
26:27
allergy for eggs went away through the years,
26:29
and I also check my IgGs and IgAs. I check all
26:32
the immune responses. And I just make sure that
26:34
I'm not triggering the immune system in any way.
26:36
But it's more about finding the triggers. And
26:38
then when you want to support the immune system
26:40
in its recovery, now maybe you can take, like,
26:43
turmeric. Now you can take, like, omega -3s.
26:45
Because you understand, your immune system cannot
26:47
put on the brakes with omega -3s. People always
26:49
think like turmeric. I'm like you're saying your
26:50
immune system needs more omega -3s to put on
26:53
the brakes and halt immune health of inflammation
26:55
than turmeric will ever do. Okay, that's great
26:58
advice. I did not know that. And just how are
27:02
some other ways just in general we can keep cancer
27:05
away? Well, so for example, recently, I don't
27:09
know if you watched my last show. I had a very
27:11
dear friend of mine who's a PhD immunologist
27:14
who actually worked at the Rockefeller lab on
27:16
large labs in the world and probably one of the
27:17
most famous ones. and they showed that immune
27:21
deficiencies can lead to cancer within three
27:23
weeks. He said it right in the show, right in
27:25
the show. Okay, so it's like, and so here's the
27:28
point. So supporting your immune system is so
27:31
vitally important, but also not destroying your
27:34
immune system is vitally important. Just like
27:36
creating inflammation, when you're always in
27:38
a damage repair, damage repair, damage repair,
27:41
and I'm not saying, for example, that you don't
27:42
have normal growth process that happen like that
27:44
per day. but people are putting highly processed
27:47
food. They're not eating. They're doing vaccines.
27:51
Okay. All these things that can really disrupt
27:53
the immune system. And then people are like,
27:55
I have no idea why I have cancer. It's like,
27:57
you know, it's like, no, no, no, you can't constantly
28:00
be triggering the immune system and weakening
28:03
it. And then, no joke, I can show you labs of
28:06
T cells and natural killer cells extremely low.
28:08
And they wonder why they get cancer. And now
28:10
it's like, oh my gosh, it's genetic. You're not
28:12
genetically programmed for cancer. You have to
28:14
have some response to even change a gene to make
28:17
that happen in the first place. So the concept
28:19
of it that way is misleading to the public because
28:22
you had to have some major trigger to actually
28:24
change a gene. It just didn't happen by itself.
28:26
It wasn't an oops, I did something wrong, instead
28:28
of that. So it's like, see, but when you talk
28:31
like I do, it actually makes a person take self
28:34
-responsibility even before the bad things happen
28:35
to them. And people want to do that. People want
28:37
to realize it's like, you weren't just unlucky.
28:39
There was things that led up to it. No, you're
28:41
wrong. You'll say, well, my parents did it to
28:42
me and I was raised this way. I totally understand
28:44
that. Parents do a lot of immune deficiency things
28:46
to their kids all the time, including give them
28:48
too much sugar. So that's where the things that
28:51
come up that way that we have to have real conversations.
28:54
But the vast majority of people are going to
28:55
reject it. I guarantee that everybody loved what
28:58
I said until I said it was their responsibility.
29:01
Just what happened. So true. So I personally
29:07
Got the HPV vaccine. This was way before I knew
29:12
anything about holistic wellness or even receiving
29:15
vaccinations, but I Know your take on vaccinations,
29:20
but how do you that's one of my pet peeves? I
29:22
hate the HPV vaccine. How do you feel about that
29:25
one? Well, let's let's do this Let's keep me
29:28
and my personal bias to other things. Here's
29:30
happens The only reason why I have the opinion
29:32
that I would have on vaccines about how the immune
29:35
system responds to them Okay, see cuz now it's
29:38
just toll. Okay, I could talk to a medical scientist
29:40
I could talk to PhD analogies like a dog you
29:42
think and I do all time actually no joke I I
29:45
befriended a lot of major scientists across the
29:47
United States and even actually over in Europe
29:49
And then I'm in medical school and most my teachers
29:52
are PhD analogies and I get along with them great
29:54
And and they're kind of programmed to think a
29:56
certain way. I'm not that's the thing It's like,
29:59
because I'll be like, well, now let's let's come
30:01
from this perspective. And they they don't argue.
30:04
They said, Doc, that's really good perspective
30:05
on this way. This is actually no joke. One of
30:07
my professors recently reached out because his
30:09
wife was sick and they didn't want to put him
30:11
through all hormone replacement therapy and things
30:13
like that. But here's the point. When you look
30:15
at HPV, the reason why I have a very big concern
30:19
with that one is because of the adjuvants they
30:21
use. AAHS is actually, once again, a aluminum
30:27
salt. Now we have to start talking properly from
30:30
the public to or from from science to the public
30:33
because what holistic people do is they say look
30:36
at that metal it's actually aluminum salt it's
30:38
a little bit different okay um and that's why
30:40
you always hear me say the adjuvant is aluminum
30:42
salt um it's just a little bit more scientifically
30:44
correct because people think that they'll equate
30:46
like your aluminum pans or your you know aluminum
30:50
can to like what's in the vaccine that's not
30:51
really true okay it's very different. Okay, so,
30:54
you know, because then you'll have, you'll have
30:55
the medical people say, you drink out aluminum
30:57
cans, and you're worried about a shot. I'm like,
30:59
see, you can tell they don't. Okay. Or in now.
31:02
So here's the point that AHS is created in a
31:08
way for it to be absorbed very quickly by our
31:12
immune system, and to reside in the body much
31:15
longer. And now with that immune system, so let's
31:18
say, let's say a macrophage, let's say a natural
31:19
killer cell consumes it because it's a foreign
31:21
body. Yes, guess what happens there there now
31:25
is an inflammatory response aka there can be
31:27
damage and now when that immune cell travels
31:30
to different parts of their body and let's say
31:32
that immune cell now resides with that AHS within
31:36
a system, which is very destructive, which is
31:39
very oxidative damage to any tissue it touches
31:41
and now that macrophage that natural killer cell
31:44
dies in your brain. What do you think it does
31:47
to the Neurology? And that can go on three, six,
31:53
eight, a year later, months later, but there's
31:57
no correlation. See, this concept of like, you're
32:01
going to react the minute you get a vaccine.
32:03
Some people do. Some people have the damage in
32:05
the immune response way later, but there's no
32:08
correlation. See, so that's why it scares me
32:10
the most. That's why if you ever look at, there
32:12
was just a huge mass of settlement that happened
32:15
in secret. They weren't made a fault. You say,
32:17
I'm with all the people just recently, I can
32:19
send you the links to it that way. But see, when
32:21
people don't research that, and they don't like
32:24
the message, they'll try to attack the messenger.
32:26
People wonder why I went back to school to finish
32:28
my master's and start my PhD and stuff like that.
32:30
And actually, no joke, I'm telling you right
32:31
now, my research I want to do for my PhD program
32:34
is adjuvants. It's adjuvants. Because on how
32:38
the body responds, but how the immune system
32:40
responds to them that way. And that's why when
32:42
people say that it's safe, I'm like, what criteria
32:44
do you term as safe? Because if you define safe
32:46
by how the body functions, there's not one adjuvant
32:50
that's safe. You say, all you have to do is expand
32:53
definition. Same thing happened to COVID. Same
32:54
thing happened to anything they don't want. And
32:56
I tell people, just tell people the truth. And
32:57
if they want to do it, let them do it. We all
33:00
should have informed consent, freedom of choice,
33:03
but give them all the information so they can
33:05
make the proper choice. Amen. So do you think
33:09
people with a history of cancer, everything that
33:12
I went through, the surgery, now that it's, I
33:15
guess I'm just NED, considered NED, do you think
33:19
that we can go on to live? A long time, extremely
33:22
healthy. Yeah, extremely healthy. Extremely healthy
33:26
in a long time. Thank the doctors that did the
33:28
medical care, did chemo, did radiation, did surgery.
33:31
God bless them. But here's what happens this.
33:34
Do you have the viewpoint in your perspective?
33:36
The reason why I can tell that you're gonna live
33:37
long and healthy is because you're gonna dig
33:40
in to become more like a carpenter. How do I
33:42
support, rebuild, maintain, make it better than
33:45
before? Guys, your body is so amazing. I want
33:49
you to think about this. We've lost perspective
33:52
how amazing the human body is. If you cut your
33:54
finger, do you know there's not one scientist,
33:56
not one person, not one doctor, not me, everybody
33:58
that can put those cells exactly where they belong.
34:00
It's so intelligent. Get out of its way. You
34:04
do not know more than it does. What we do know
34:07
about the body, and that's why I go back to my
34:09
last show, A Different Perspective, A Different
34:12
Perspective, ADP, with that last scientist, he
34:15
even said he goes, you know so little. That's
34:17
right, we do. So when these people... government
34:20
lies in this is this we be careful you're misleading
34:24
the public don't do that you Sam and so therefore
34:27
when you can the things that we do know how to
34:30
support the by what to do with it what we can
34:32
what we can do to take away the triggers what
34:33
we do this it doesn't matter because the regenerative
34:37
aspect of your body is incredible absolutely
34:39
incredible here take the oldest person you know
34:41
Gina think of that person right now okay if you
34:45
cut their finger what happens It still heals
34:49
at some point. Thank you. It wants you. It wants
34:52
you. You are genetically programmed for that.
34:56
Get out of its way, stop hurting that process,
34:59
support that process, and you can live a long
35:01
time. You can live a long time. So just because,
35:05
now Durham, let me tell you this. Let me go on
35:06
the flip side. If your whole aspect is medical
35:11
care with no rebuilding, you'll probably have
35:14
a very short life. Because they come back ten
35:16
times worse because you never rebuilt you're
35:18
assuming deficient. You still not rebuilding
35:19
your body You still not taking every immune system.
35:21
So it's gonna come back sometimes ten times worse
35:24
See, that's the different thing. So as you said,
35:28
I love that you went through some care with some
35:31
wonderful doctors I'm usually supportive of that
35:34
But if that's all you're doing you're gonna live
35:36
a short life You need the carpet apart, which
35:39
you have taken to see because it doc How'd you
35:42
figure these things out because I had a woman
35:43
I want to marry and have kids with and no one
35:46
else sat there and did it. So I did. And that
35:48
became a part of healthcare now that I've contributed
35:52
to for 30 years. And that's why I opened a clinic
35:54
and it did well, because we just got the results
35:56
that people wanted. But then also, and remember,
35:59
here's what happens, is, you know, don't be a
36:02
fan of me, I'm a fan of you, because you had
36:04
to do all the work. You had to recover from cancer,
36:07
you had to support your body, you had to go against
36:10
the grain of what... probably friends, family
36:13
member, other doctors were going to tell you.
36:15
You'd say, I'm just giving you some information
36:18
that made a little sense to you because you were
36:20
on a journey that wasn't making sense before.
36:22
You say, so I just want, that's what I said.
36:24
I try to give people great information and I've
36:27
gotten the clinical results with it because I
36:29
love labs. I love how I look at them. I know
36:30
what to do with them. I know how to do these
36:33
things to help people recover. So it's just like
36:36
I said, it's just a different perspective. I'm
36:39
sorry to go off script, but I'm just so intrigued.
36:41
How do you feel about ivermectin and Mabendazole
36:44
and Fenben going into cancer treatment? I actually
36:49
think that any treatment that has stood the test
36:53
of time and all treatments have side effects.
36:56
Okay. And am I okay with that? I really am. Actually,
36:59
do you know when people go through chemotherapy,
37:00
if you look at turkey tail, it helps you even
37:03
protect yourself from the damage of chemotherapy.
37:06
So everybody that did chemotherapy should be
37:07
taking some turkey tail. It actually doesn't
37:09
interfere with the care. It actually helps from
37:10
the damage of the things of the normal tissue
37:12
from it that way, okay? So remember, I think
37:15
that our advancement in medical care is needed
37:18
because there's gonna be things that are going
37:21
to happen that we have zero control over. I think
37:25
that, for example, any therapy that helps a person
37:27
get through that fire, especially for something
37:30
like ivermectin that does have a track record,
37:33
that does seem to be... gentle on system, has
37:36
minimal side effects, still side effects, but
37:38
has minimal side effects. I think that it's just
37:41
always going to be suppressed because you look
37:44
at a trillion dollar system like chemotherapy
37:46
and radiation, all things door there. They're
37:49
not going to want to give you something that
37:50
costs 30 cents compared to 3000. And there is
37:53
a business part of all that sets the standards.
37:56
And you have wonderful doctors, even hospitals
37:58
that would love to give ivermectin and possibly
38:00
look for cancer things that way. But they could
38:02
lose their license. They could get fired. That's
38:05
the sad part of health care Yeah So we already
38:09
know asleep plays a huge role especially with
38:12
the immune system and I am somebody that has
38:14
a hard time falling asleep So what would you
38:16
recommend for that? Well, first of all, except
38:19
that you're a woman. It's always gonna happen
38:20
Okay. Yeah, cuz you know why everybody knows
38:23
I apologize. Do you know are you married? Yes,
38:26
I am you understand you Sometimes you you guys
38:30
could have just a rough day as him and it just
38:33
seems like husband can just Detached live in
38:35
a box of nothing and forget about the whole world
38:37
and your mind Yes, he's he's automatically as
38:40
soon as he hits the pillow. It's falling asleep
38:41
any snoring In a woman because of her physiology
38:45
her endocrinology It's a good thing. It's what
38:48
makes you guys great caretakers. It was makes
38:50
you guys really good at finding problems. I employ
38:53
more women than I employ men. And I have hundreds
38:56
and hundreds of employees. By the way, this is
38:57
like, guess what happens? You guys will think
39:00
and think and think and think and think. And
39:02
you put you on a task. You guys are fantastic
39:04
with that way. This is this. And so therefore,
39:07
that's what I tell women, you need to start to
39:10
meditate and slow your brain down. And you may
39:13
need to support your brain. with some herbal
39:15
things and stuff like that to calm it down and
39:17
get you to sleep that way. And do I want you
39:19
to do that? I'm hoping you don't have to but
39:21
they're just by nature of sometimes being a woman
39:23
that way, you know, because you guys by nature,
39:26
estrogen makes you very connected that way. So
39:28
therefore your thought processes are very different
39:30
than males and male and no matter what people
39:32
have said over the last seven years, men and
39:35
women are extremely different, extremely different.
39:38
So if I just give you a perfect example, and,
39:40
and so yes, you need to and if you can't take
39:43
your supplement a little bit. to actually do
39:45
it, you know, and you have to be more careful
39:47
when it comes to things because a woman's body
39:49
is more sensitive than a male's is. And what
39:52
about stress? Because that's another thing I
39:54
struggle with. It's, it's more just stress of
39:56
like everyday life, like all the things that
39:59
have to get done in a day. So it's like, it's
40:01
not, it's not really like a financial stress.
40:04
It's, it's almost like the same stress daily.
40:06
My whole career was based on women. I think you
40:08
know that because when I started in actually
40:10
mainly fertility, okay. And And I think I've
40:14
been the number one person in the world, especially
40:16
the holistic realm, but even the medical realm,
40:18
talking about how mental stress destroys women's
40:20
health, destroys it, destroys every aspect of
40:22
it. And that's why California poppy was the second
40:25
most sold thing I ever had in my whole career,
40:27
because it just calms them down. But you know,
40:30
it's really funny. The one thing that I didn't
40:31
know is about women. And, and I believe you agree
40:34
with me on this is, and you just did it now by
40:37
the question, you understand that when I would
40:40
sit down with women and say, listen, look at
40:41
your stress hormones. Lose your cortisol, look
40:43
at your adrenaline, epinephrine, all these things,
40:45
all your fight or flight. Just by making women
40:48
aware that the stress was hurting them, women
40:51
were conscious of it. And they're more apt to
40:54
avoid stressful things, but also when they did
40:56
stress out, they're more apt to get themselves
40:58
to calm down quicker because they know how it
41:00
affects their health. But just a lot of most
41:02
women are not aware how stress can really make
41:05
their immune system, make their sleep, make them
41:07
fat, make them, you know, everything, cancer
41:10
is everything. It's like, and no joke, I'll just
41:14
reference it in my last show again, Dr. Casper
41:17
showed how people that laugh, a deep belly laugh,
41:20
reduces their cancerous dramatically. See, so
41:22
we have to, and that's why I've said this for
41:25
a long time, I think that's why I have such a
41:27
huge woman following, is the fact that, man,
41:30
we gotta keep women out of stressful situations.
41:32
Men's bodies are meant to handle it. And you're
41:35
wrong. Even how we deal with the kids is gonna
41:38
be different. There's elements of stress you're
41:39
never gonna get a woman to not do. But then they
41:41
just have to be aware that this could hurt them.
41:44
And most women will start to work towards those
41:46
things not to have as much stress in their life.
41:48
Because once women are aware, women are very
41:50
good at taking care of things. So my cortisol
41:53
always comes back. I have it tested every six
41:56
months. Always comes back normal. So is there
41:59
something else I should be checking for? Is it?
42:01
Just like you said, it's just a daily stress
42:03
and I maybe need to be more aware of keeping
42:05
myself out of it. Yeah. Well, remember quarters
42:08
are very important and you want you want to do
42:09
both blood and also urine or saliva together.
42:12
You're saying because you want the four of them.
42:13
Also, you want the blood to make sure where production
42:16
is and stuff. And but remember, there's other
42:18
markers you want to do, like, for example, you
42:20
know, amino acid tests, you know, like, for example,
42:23
seeing some of your transmers, seeing where epinephrine,
42:25
norepinephrine things are out that way. You can
42:27
do an Oats test, which is really simple. Simple
42:29
urine tests to see where certain things are Because
42:33
then we know for example how it's metabolizing
42:34
everything, but here's it. Here's the thing Having
42:38
four daughters myself Because if my daughter
42:43
is graduating cabaret school, okay, they're gonna
42:45
have just school stress, you know Just even the
42:47
worry of passing tests and some of that. I truly
42:50
believe that women need to take some calming
42:52
things and A lot of our beautiful women are taking
42:55
things like SSRIs, which is very scary high rates
42:59
of suicide, high rates of damage that way. And
43:03
guys, just check out California Poppy. I mean,
43:05
sincerely. I mean, sincerely. My wife, my daughters,
43:08
everything. It's like people I love. I'm like,
43:10
you know, because then once again, it's not addictive.
43:13
Number two, for example, you could drink the
43:14
whole bottle. You just make expensive urine.
43:16
You're going to pee it out. Some of that because
43:19
there's just the, a woman's life is different
43:22
over the last 50 years. And so they're going
43:25
to need some support. to calm them down and I'm
43:28
okay with that. How does gut health influence
43:32
immunity? Well, you got to remember we can trigger
43:35
our immune system from the gut. We do have everything
43:38
from our gut associated with our tissue, our
43:40
molt, mucosal tissue. So therefore we can trigger
43:45
it very commonly on a regular basis by what we
43:47
do food wise. If we have highly processed food,
43:49
if we have food you're allergic to, if we actually
43:51
have, let's say we eat too much sugar and we
43:53
have a yeast overgrowth, you're going to constantly
43:54
trigger immune system. There's so many factors
43:56
because we are basically a petri dish. And our
44:01
connection to the outside world is our oral tract
44:03
cavity. People try to say our GI. So therefore,
44:07
the more that we trigger it, the worse it is.
44:11
That's why I tell people, if you are really looking
44:13
to start with a diet and want to not trigger
44:18
immune system, just go carnivore for two weeks.
44:20
Now, you don't want to do it long term. Just
44:22
go carnivore for two weeks. You have the least
44:24
triggering foods you could possibly eat. All
44:26
right. I'm not saying you can't react to beef.
44:28
I'm not saying you can't react to chicken or
44:29
fish or things like that or shrimp. The idea
44:31
is that you can. It's just that the chances that
44:33
the demographic for all cultures are really low,
44:35
is really low. So I tell people, go carnivore
44:37
for two weeks and be like, oh my goodness doc,
44:39
I'm not bloated. I'm not as gassy. I lost some
44:42
weight. I just, yeah, because you start mixing,
44:45
because you start mixing some other things in
44:46
there, people can actually be very reactive to
44:49
them. And of course, now you have an immune response
44:51
constantly going on. you have microbial changes
44:54
out there. You could actually introduce an overgrowth
44:57
of just normal flora that can now be a constant
44:59
trigger to the immune system, which is going
45:00
to be a problem. So yeah, it can have a very
45:04
negative effect on the immune system if you are
45:06
actually constantly triggering it. What lab markers
45:10
are helpful after cancer? I mean, they usually
45:13
run like the usual CBC, all those things. But
45:16
is there anything like on the side that they
45:18
usually don't run that you would recommend? Well,
45:19
they never run it. It's immune panel. I call
45:21
it the immune panel. Go on my website. It just
45:23
gives you all your natural killer cells, your
45:24
T cells, your B cells, your immune balance from
45:27
your innate to your adaptive immune response.
45:31
Because those are things that will help you determine
45:33
what's going on with your immune system. It's
45:36
a simple lab I wrote when I was 26 years old,
45:39
Sam. And I'm 28 today. And so I wrote that thing
45:45
25 years ago. And remember, and I didn't create
45:47
the lab. I just sat down and said, I want to
45:50
assess where my immune system is at. And that's
45:52
the lab that should have been ran during COVID
45:54
because it could have told you, it could have
45:56
give you a very good predictor if you were going
45:57
to die or not. And it's just immune markers.
46:02
Any lab can do it. You can walk to your doctor
46:03
right now. You can walk to LabCorp. You can walk
46:05
to Quest. Now I call it the immune panel just
46:07
because I wrote all the immune cells down, but
46:10
It's just go on our website, just write the markers
46:13
down, research every one of them, throw it into
46:16
AI. See, that's the one thing I love about technology.
46:18
Everything I said here today, throw it into AI.
46:20
Throw it into research that way. It's going to
46:24
make complete sense. Because once again, I'm
46:27
showing you what you can do from a different
46:28
perspective and not negating that medical care
46:31
might be needed some of the time, but a lot of
46:33
it can be avoided. So therefore, what you want
46:35
to do is you don't look at I'm a holistic person
46:37
or I'm a medical person. I'm neither. I'm actually
46:41
going to judge what my body needs at the time,
46:45
and here's what happens. We had a workout Wednesday,
46:48
because the whole company, I allowed them to
46:50
work out, they get paid for the process that
46:52
way, and some of that, do I have to take a lunch
46:54
already? Look at that. And here's what happens,
46:57
is because I want people to move. I have an organic
46:59
restaurant, I have all these things here, and
47:00
stuff like that. I have a full gym for people
47:02
to use, everything. Now, no matter how well I
47:05
support my body, If I walk on my parking lot,
47:08
I get hit by a car. I'm not just now gonna convert,
47:11
I'm now a medical person. Here, do I need drugs?
47:15
Yes. Do I need surgery? Yes, because my legs
47:18
snapped and I'm bleeding out. Do I need the emergency
47:20
room? Yes. Do I need a surgeon? Yes. Do I need
47:22
anesthesia? Yes. Heck, give me as much pain medication
47:25
as you can. Heck, knock me out, wake me up in
47:27
a week. You see what I'm saying? So people say
47:31
I'm holistic, I'm medical, but I don't know what
47:32
you guys mean. For example, The fire department
47:36
is needed when it's needed, and the carpenter
47:37
is needed when it's needed. It's just that we
47:40
are so programmed that the only doctor that you
47:43
listen to is the medical professional. He's the
47:45
expert. Nah, you can't rebuild a house with an
47:48
accident hose. Yeah. So what conditions best
47:52
respond to chiropractic treatment? It depends
47:57
because most people don't know what a chiropractor
47:58
really does. OK. See, because here's what happens.
48:03
And this is why I would tell you right now. The
48:05
foundation for everything I hid, if I would have
48:07
been a medical professional, I never would have
48:08
done what I do today because I couldn't have
48:10
thought about it. See, what makes care about
48:12
the special, if it's history of how we started
48:14
and what we do is thinking. So therefore, and
48:17
what we did because of money and greed and survival,
48:22
which I'm totally disgusted with the schools
48:24
from the 80s on, because our profession was more
48:28
of that realm of recognizing the human body and
48:32
what I can do and realizing that there's three
48:34
major things that really took away from the body.
48:37
Physical trauma. Yes, there's a structural component
48:40
that can do that. Toxic things and thoughts,
48:44
mental stress. And so therefore, the way I practice
48:48
and always have, and that's what led me to people
48:50
thinking I'm not a chiropractor was the fact
48:52
that I'm like, no, honestly, if you just adjust,
48:54
actually, technically from our history, really
48:55
not even a chiropractor, you're just you can
48:57
learn adjusting in a fucking weekend. And so
48:59
that's how I get out. ticked off on a hero. And
49:03
it's like, and I'm not downgrading, I'm not downgrading
49:07
the adjustment. I'm saying that I've adjusted
49:09
hundreds of thousands of times. But the idea
49:11
is this, is it's our thinking that say, hey,
49:14
listen, search for those toxins, search for those
49:17
traumas, search for those thoughts, search those
49:19
things. And that thinking is what allowed me
49:20
to go, okay, listen, that trauma can lead to
49:23
immune, endocrine, structural, neurological problems.
49:27
So can toxins, so can stress. See, so therefore
49:30
we've been minimized because of insurance and
49:32
greed and money. And yes, all you care writers
49:34
of the 80s and all you schools, you should be
49:36
ashamed of yourself. I'm disgusted with you.
49:39
And you wonder why all the care writers come
49:40
to me and say, what you are doing is change healthcare.
49:42
It's not changing healthcare. I'm going back
49:43
to what we did before. And that's why medical
49:47
profession tried to actually destroy us. And
49:49
we won in a Supreme Court case. Go look it up.
49:52
See, so I just go back to that realm. And then
49:55
I realized that, hey, listen, being a carpenter
49:57
-type doctor, which recognizes that there's trauma,
49:59
toxin, thoughts, I need other tools to do it,
50:01
not just an adjustment. So I think adjustments
50:03
are extremely powerful. It's extremely good thing.
50:05
But the concept of even the word treat means
50:08
nothing in the chiropractic world. That's a medical
50:09
term. It's a medical term. Osteopaths used to
50:13
be more holistic and natural, and they got consumed
50:15
that you did the same thing chiropractors. So,
50:18
yep. And so till day I die and all the chiropractors
50:20
I train and things like that, that's why we have
50:22
very busy offices. because we get great clinical
50:25
results. How often do you suggest somebody to
50:29
get adjusted? It determines. It determines, for
50:32
example, their lifestyle and what they're doing
50:34
and do they repair it and do they do things at
50:36
home. And you're going to find out that some
50:38
people can last a very long time. Some people,
50:41
they just don't take care of themselves and they
50:43
need it more repetitively. Every person is extremely
50:45
different. You know, I'm hoping that people do
50:47
the good thing so they need it very little. But
50:50
we know this. We know people that don't take
50:51
care of themselves or they get lax. Here, watch
50:53
this. Often should people brush their teeth.
50:56
Often should people go to the dentist. If you
50:58
take care of yourself, you need less dental care.
51:00
If you take care of yourself, you need less structural
51:02
adjustments. You see? So that's why it's like,
51:05
hey, brush, frost, brush, frost. Hey, move, move.
51:09
Do your stretches. Do these things. I didn't
51:11
do it, doc. Well, then I got to charge you 70
51:13
bucks. I'm going to get adjusted. See, I'm not
51:16
going to take responsibility for you not doing
51:18
good things. I'm there to correct your sassiness.
51:22
Yep. So I have a partial thickness tear in my
51:27
shoulder. I just found out about it. And my chiropractor,
51:30
which I said he also does holistic care, said
51:32
that it can heal naturally. Do you have any recommendations
51:35
on how to heal that naturally without seeing
51:37
orthopedics? There's a tear. They said there's
51:42
a partial thickness tear. of the bursa, I believe
51:47
is what it is. And then there's also rotor cuff
51:49
tendinopathy. I don't know how I got a tear.
51:54
I don't know what I did, but it's been there
51:55
for a long time. Yeah. One thing that OK, always
51:59
remember this. It's kind of like sex safety first.
52:03
OK, OK. I mean, the fact this I so you had you
52:08
had an MRI done. Yes. Has orthopedic looked at
52:11
yet? No. OK, get both opinions. Okay, because
52:15
here's what happens. It depends on being the
52:18
terrorists. Because yes, could it heal on its
52:21
own? Do you know? No, I would actually get advice
52:25
on both sides. I really would. Because yes, can
52:28
some things heal on them own? Yes, but sometimes
52:31
they're so bad, they can't. And obviously want
52:34
to avoid as many drugs and surgeries as possible.
52:38
But when there's something, you know, like I
52:39
said, if I get hit by a car and break my leg,
52:42
I'm gonna need some care. I just need it. There's
52:45
nothing wrong with that. And I think technology
52:47
and advancement and orthopedic and even cancer
52:50
things has done a wonderful job over the last
52:52
50 years. I think that 50 years from now, we
52:53
should be better. But it doesn't negate that
52:56
even when you may need that surgery, that you
52:59
still need to do things to put it back to normal
53:02
besides once the tear is fixed. See, negate,
53:06
you know, I'm just making sure that you have
53:09
the advice it doesn't need surgery. Sam? Because
53:12
then once again because Have I seen them obviously
53:16
heal sure but it can heal wrong, too so That's
53:21
the only thing that concerns me. So we get always
53:23
get both opinions Okay, how do you think immunology
53:27
will change health care over the next 10 years?
53:30
Well, if they apply it properly, it would be
53:33
it'd be life -saving, you know because We've
53:37
now really destroyed immunology since 1986. And
53:44
we've had a skyrocket rise of all immune related
53:48
diseases in history, including child's cancer.
53:52
And because we introduced a mass amount of vaccines
53:55
into our system come 1996. And we've people have
54:00
always eaten processed food, people have always
54:01
had all the things but that 1986 you can see
54:04
a skyrocket of every disease to understand. It's
54:06
kind of funny. There was a I watched this doctor
54:08
debate about the At least the CD, at least the
54:11
RFK is saying, listen, stop trying to give all
54:13
these vaccines to a pregnant woman. They still
54:15
have two. When I was a kid, even when I was in
54:17
school, in graduate school, if you gave a pregnant
54:20
woman an aspirin, they freaked out. And now they're
54:23
getting vaccines. You know what I'm saying? So
54:25
I will always have a job with the current thinking
54:29
on immunology. I know because they're going to
54:35
create more children that are damaged. They're
54:37
going to create more adults that are damaged.
54:39
more cancers ever in history that could create
54:41
that because the immune system is one of the
54:42
vital contributing factors to it. Yeah. Are there
54:46
any exciting developments in the immune research
54:48
that we should know about? Yeah, there's cancer
54:53
therapies that they're going to do. Remember,
54:55
once you have cancer, I'm in favor of all major
54:57
email therapies and stuff that you're trying
54:59
to experiment with you because I don't want anybody
55:00
to die. I'm OK that when people get cancer, they've
55:04
created new email therapies and things like that.
55:06
I think they're I think they're great. Because
55:09
we have a lot of control. We don't have all control
55:10
Because you know, we're always gonna have pollution
55:13
pollution can actually contribute to cancers
55:15
So therefore, you know, I would just say that
55:18
with what we do a lot to our bodies We're creating
55:20
a vast majority of them There will be people
55:22
that could do everything right and still have
55:24
cancer because there's factors. We can't control.
55:26
There's EMF There's toxicity. There's things
55:29
that they're going on that in our environment
55:31
that we can't control so therefore we need major
55:34
immunotherapies that medicine is always trying
55:36
to experiment with and And I think, I think it'd
55:38
be wonderful. So I think that we'll have a better
55:41
survival rate in the future. Just because of
55:45
certain medical therapies. I really do. But remember
55:49
the old saying, an ounce of prevention is worth
55:51
a pound of cure. What are your go -to daily remedies
55:56
that you personally do? Mega threes, vitamin
56:01
D and reishi mushroom. I love it. So now do I
56:06
do more than that? Yes, but if I'm talking about
56:08
the big three those are a must Okay So these
56:12
three questions I like to ask all my guests and
56:14
the first one is what is your favorite Bible
56:16
verse? It could be of all time. It could be in
56:18
this season You're gonna laugh about this. It's
56:22
not a verse. It's a story. I'll tell it to you.
56:24
Okay, very simple The greatest thing that ever
56:26
happened in the Bible is not what David and Goliath
56:29
think because everybody thinks they're David
56:31
and everything but everybody against him is Goliath
56:33
It's not really true. Okay And so it's like,
56:35
everybody thinks they're the little guy. But
56:37
the idea is this. But the coolest thing about
56:38
David is when he got permission from the king,
56:42
he ran towards the problem, the stress. He didn't
56:46
run from it. Most people don't run towards conflict.
56:49
They run from it. For me to even do what I had
56:51
to do, even during COVID, the FBI showed up in
56:53
my house because they treated me like I was a
56:56
terrorist because I was telling people what they
56:57
were doing was lying. And I ran towards the conflict.
57:01
A man should run towards conflict. You avoid
57:03
it. That's when bad things happen. Yeah. If you
57:08
could tell your younger self one thing today,
57:09
what would it be? If I could tell my younger
57:14
self one thing. No, I think I do it to all my
57:18
young people today. It's work on yourself personally.
57:22
Personal growth leads to every great thing in
57:24
your life. It does. Work on yourself. And because
57:28
you have to have a strong mind. And to her to
57:32
do it. And I believe that the reason why I could
57:33
accomplish what I accomplished because I work
57:35
on myself every single day. I think personal
57:38
growth, I do this with my daughters. I teach
57:39
them, you know, you win the head game, you win
57:40
everything. And personal growth is so important
57:43
because it affects all areas of life. It affects
57:45
your business, affects your marriage, affects
57:47
your friendships. Because when you grow personally,
57:51
it permeates to every area of life. And what
57:54
legacy would you like to leave behind? I'm already
57:56
doing it. It's actually, for example, is this.
58:00
And I do at my company, personal growth is so
58:03
important to me. The fact that say, listen, that
58:06
when you want to be a mortal, pass down the things
58:10
that create a family legacy. I actually was just
58:13
showing my dad, I have a family crest, you know,
58:16
based on the flints. And don't get me wrong.
58:19
It's like, I think it's so I actually wish people
58:23
took their heritage so importantly. Why do we,
58:26
why do we learn about the Rockefellers or the
58:28
Kennys or the Trumps and things like that. You
58:30
should be, you should so love your heritage and
58:34
where you come from, what you stood for, and
58:36
pass things down that two, three generations
58:40
from now, because you know what happens to this?
58:42
My great, great grandkids are gonna be like,
58:43
you know, Papa Flynn was something special. And
58:46
from the principles that I taught them, and if
58:49
you teach them the principles that make their
58:51
life better, to be of great character, to be
58:53
of great sound aspect from money to... to faith
58:57
to everything that way, that you don't die. You
59:00
don't die. And that's where I'm like going, you
59:04
know, you need to pass that down to them that
59:07
way. So yeah, and I work on that every day. Every
59:10
single day. Love that. So let's have a little
59:13
bit of fun. We'll move into the rapid fire coffee
59:15
or tea. Coffee. Favorite healthy snack. Oh, oh.
59:25
Ooh, I would do that every morning. One supplement
59:30
you couldn't live without. Still vitamin D. Cardio
59:34
or weights? Weights. Most underrated wellness
59:39
habit? Sex. If you could instantly master one
59:45
skill, what would that be? Already done a ton
59:47
of them. I've accomplished great things, Jose.
59:51
It's like, I'm not joking, I work on all my skills.
59:54
But I would tell you this, I would say this,
59:56
okay? If you want to master one skill that everybody
59:59
can do, it's communication. Good one. What is
1:00:03
always in your refrigerator? Sauerkraut, liver.
1:00:08
That's two main things, sauerkraut and liver.
1:00:10
If you could give everyone one health habit,
1:00:13
what would it be? Sleep. Sleep. And what's bringing
1:00:17
you joy right now? Everything I do every single
1:00:19
day, everything. You say, because I get to pour
1:00:23
into a ton of people and make their life better
1:00:25
in every single way, from my children, my family,
1:00:27
to patients, to other doctors, to staff, everything
1:00:31
that way. You never go wrong investing in other
1:00:33
people. It doesn't mean you're always going to
1:00:35
get something back, but you never go wrong investing
1:00:37
in them. You cannot give the giver. Yeah. Dr.
1:00:41
Patrick, thank you so much for joining me today.
1:00:43
It was a pleasure. Like I said, I look up to
1:00:45
you so much. I was so excited to have you on.
1:00:50
But, um, where can people find you? You know,
1:00:53
um, you can go to our website, thewellnessway
1:00:55
.com, thewellnessway .com. You can follow me
1:00:57
on media. I haven't been kicked off for a while,
1:00:58
even though my TikTok got kicked off again. It's
1:01:01
like, uh, but yeah, just, just under Dr. Patrick
1:01:03
Flynn or, you know, um, the wellness way website
1:01:06
and you'll see that now I put out so much ton
1:01:10
of free information for people that way, because
1:01:12
I want people to take control of their own health.
1:01:14
I want people to be in control of their destiny.
1:01:16
And it's possible if you just learn some things
1:01:19
that way, just like you have. So thank you for
1:01:22
looking up to me, Gina, but guess what happens
1:01:23
this? You wouldn't even look for my information
1:01:26
if you would have personally grown through a
1:01:29
tragedy and decided to take control yourself.
1:01:32
So you're the hero. You've been through much
1:01:35
tougher things than I have and stuff on there.
1:01:38
So you're inspiring people. Keep sharing that.
1:01:42
Let people know and hoping this gave you a little
1:01:43
bit of insight to communicate with people a little
1:01:45
bit differently, a little bit better. And, um,
1:01:48
it was an honor being on here today. Thank you.
1:01:51
I just want to thank my joy listeners for tuning
1:01:53
in today. I hope they found this episode helpful.
1:01:55
I'm sure they did because I did. Uh, you can
1:01:58
find me on Spotify and Apple podcasts, leave
1:02:00
reviews. I greatly appreciate it, but always.
1:02:03
I just enjoy hearing your feedback too. So you
1:02:05
can find me on Gina dot Rickner on all my socials
1:02:08
and as always go out and find the joy today.
1:02:10
Bye friends.