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I’m a sucker for every ad · I Think Less of You Podcast

• 0:00
  [music]
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: That you sent me as the intro for this.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, Rian Johnson, the somewhat controversial film director.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: I want to go on record.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love Rian Johnson.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: I love Rian Johnson when he is making his own movies.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: He mucked around in the...
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Star Wars universe.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that ticked a lot of people off because his whole thing is deconstructing genres.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know why anyone thought that it was a good idea to put a guy
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: whose entire cinematic career is deconstructing genres into directing genre films
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: because he then immediately tried to deconstruct it.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's what he does.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: But I have long, The Brothers Bloom, which no one but me has seen, is one of my favorite movies.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, Rian Johnson put out, it's popping around on more artistic-y Twitter.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: He worked with his cinematographer,
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: the cinematographer he always uses, to make a camera app for the iPhone.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: Which apparently, like,
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: completely, you know more about the nuts and bolts of how cameras work than I do.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: But from his description,
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  SPEAKER_00: it bypasses all of the iPhone's inbuilt editing and,
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: like, color correction, everything.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: And sets its own, like,
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  SPEAKER_00: it just uses the cameras and has its own entire software thing that's working in
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: the background to make the camera look like,
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: photos look like a still from one of his movies.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: So...
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you texted me this, and I'm a sucker, and there's nothing online that I won't buy.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: I fell victim to every Instagram ad,
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: and hopefully Twitter stays with horrible advertisers because I will be broke.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: But I immediately bought it and took a picture, and it was awful.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it was awful.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: It was pretty bad.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: I do see some real use for it.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: If I was to take...
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting in my room in my farmhouse.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm back in Colorado this week.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: If I was to take a picture with it right now, it would look actually really cool.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was messing around with it in my room, just normal lighting conditions, and it was fine.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't seem to do skies really well,
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: but if you remember, old iPhones really were terrible at things like sky...
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: Or any time,
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  SPEAKER_01: it overblows highlights,
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  SPEAKER_01: like behind me right now,
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  SPEAKER_01: which again,
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: this is an audio format,
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  SPEAKER_01: not visual,
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  SPEAKER_01: but my screen right now is totally blown out because I'm sitting in front of
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  SPEAKER_01: a window.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: It does a little bit of that,
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: but I will say the bottom picture that you sent me,
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: the app picture, not your iPhone picture, the green's Looked really good.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: And like the shot of your playhouse behind the plant that you were sitting in front
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  SPEAKER_01: of looked awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the bottom half of your picture was fantastic.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: It just the sky got all completely blown out to crap and it looked terrible.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: So with good cropping and with a better eye, I think it's actually really good.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think it'll be really cool for our winter trip that we keep teasing out.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: For reference, this is called the Chromatograph app.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: He released it yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's apparently already at number one in the iPhone app store for photography apps.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: from what I've seen people talking about it online from your observation,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that the really interesting use case for it is that it is...
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: iPhones never do low light well, for the most part.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they didn't used to.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: They do now, but you have to know how to set it.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: I go in and low light, and I manually change the settings in it.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: I, along with most people, I think, have no idea how any of that really works.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: Something that I believe that you're actually working on,
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: I believe you're working on a program to help people out.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's all written.
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  SPEAKER_01: I need to go through and edit it.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: That might be a
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: you project, by the way.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: You might be inheriting editing a book.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, boy.
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  SPEAKER_00: For most people,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: most people don't want to have to dicker around with all the settings
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  SPEAKER_00: to get it exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_00: They want to be able to pull out the camera and shoot a picture that looks serviceable.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think...
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  SPEAKER_00: In low light scenarios, it seems to really shine.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: It makes the sky look odd and gray and washed out.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: It makes colors look amazing.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: It does make anything that you have like a highlight heavy area look totally washed out.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: So by that I just mean like direct light, it's Yeah,
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: shadows look really good on it.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's daytime here.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think I will probably goof around with it a bit this evening.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like dusks would probably,
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  SPEAKER_00: because of how well it handles color,
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: I would bet that a sunset probably- Probably looks really, would really pop.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like nighttime settings with some lights,
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  SPEAKER_00: but not a lot of lights would probably do really well.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to goof around with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It also ups the contrast.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: What I would do with this picture then,
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: just being a photographer dork,
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  SPEAKER_01: I would then take this photo,
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  SPEAKER_01: go into the iPhone's app,
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  SPEAKER_01: And you could edit certain things like you could bring down some
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  SPEAKER_01: of those highlights.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be careful with that when it is the sky because then it just looks gray and empty.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it's better for it to look white and blown out than gray and empty.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: But crop out the sky.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what I would do is further increase the contrast.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, this filter adds back contrast.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: IPhones are terrible with contrast.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: This is why I edit in Lightroom.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I edit even like pictures on my phone in Lightroom if I have the time.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, I will always go into the photo app.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: And if you edit every picture,
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  SPEAKER_01: you can simulate some of this look by upping the light in your shadows.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you just, these are just sliders.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you go into your photos right now and click edit,
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  SPEAKER_01: scroll to where it says like exposure,
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  SPEAKER_01: highlights,
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  SPEAKER_01: shadows,
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  SPEAKER_01: and you just Push it towards the right to dial up and it will help add light back
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  SPEAKER_01: in your shadows.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or you can make the shadows darker.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can also control the highlights, you can control the blacks, you can control the color.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: So say you don't like this, this app gives it a very sepia tone.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: Say you don't like the really sepia tone, you can actually go in and post and change
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  SPEAKER_01: I
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: like Lightroom because I'm a professional and know how to use it.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're not a professional,
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: you can still dink around with your pictures for free in the Photos app in iPhone.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: I used to have a Samsung and their pictures were great.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: I had an extra line that I used just for my blog and I just had the Samsung on that.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: And now I still just have that old phone just for
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: But it's their their camera does a lot better, but they have the same editing that iPhone does.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: I liked that someone made a comment that Ryan Johnson found a way to get people
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  SPEAKER_00: to get to get zoomers to pay to pay him for a sepia filter,
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: which was funny and not entirely fair, but funny.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I said it was entirely fair because we both fell for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're geriatric millennials, but we did both buy it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it worked.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: But one of the reasons I bought it is because it's just a one-time purchase.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's $12.99 to put a tax to buy it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it isn't one of these things where you have to have an endless subscription,
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  SPEAKER_00: which everything is subscription now.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am much more inclined to buy something if they just say,
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can pay us once and use our thing.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: You'll never hear from us again.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: That is wonderful.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: Subscriptions are killing me right now.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: There's one subscription I bought.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I'm a sucker and I fall for every Instagram ad.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: I bought some supplement thing that was supposed to help women of
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: a certain age just cut down on cortisol.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: And whatever, it's fine.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that it's...
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I remember one of the only things that Biden was really pushing
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: that I thought was good was Biden...
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: I thought I heard him saying that they passed this.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's some kind of new regulation requiring that anything that has
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: a subscription have a one-click, easy, unsubscribe option to it.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: I need to look into this because I remember this happening.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: If this is a thing, no one's enforcing it.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is, are you even sure that you're dealing with an American company?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's true.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're selling in America,
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: you have to follow our
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: regular... And I assume supplements really have to.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't really buy...
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: I do buy stuff off TikTok Shop, which I shouldn't admit to.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: You should not admit to that ever.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: You couldn't water it out of me.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: They have really, really, really good deals on all of the K-beauty stuff that I like.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I do buy a crazy amount of skincare products on TikTok.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, I wouldn't buy anything else on it.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: But Instagram shop seems to be a lot better.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you get, I'm sure everyone gets targeted ads on Instagram.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do you ever get like, you're never on Instagram.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was going to say, I don't open Instagram if at all possible.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to have to when we start.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: The only times that I ever open Instagram is when you send me things.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: I send you stuff a lot, too.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: You do.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: You send me a lot of Instagram.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because you more or more live on Instagram.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're on Twitter, but you're surfing through the various apps.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's not my scene.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand Instagram.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're not a trick.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've made a couple of random stabs at posting things on Instagram.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: For a while I was taking pictures of things I was baking and
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: then writing anti-communist screens over top of them and posting them,
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: which was entertaining.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: My husband is basically not active ever on Twitter.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it's something that I'm actually okay with as he's going through seminary
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: because I don't I actually feel really conflicted about priests and like,
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that Twitter is the best place for people that are spreading God's word
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: and, you know, getting along together and being charitable.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that Twitter's the match for that.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think the message goes over as well on Twitter.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't know that I like clergy on Twitter.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: I would disagree.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: I would...
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: In that Twitter, being active on Twitter isn't healthy for everyone in general.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: And this is true for every subgroup.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: At the same time,
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: there are people like,
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: you know, that's Fulton Sheen would have absolutely killed on Twitter.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Fred Rogers probably would have killed.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: And people forget Fred Rogers, that Mr. Rogers thing was he was a minister.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: And his thing, his show was consciously killed.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: A religious outreach show just didn't wasn't explicit in the religion.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: But see, I think that's where I differ.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I agree with all that.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's all great.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a great place.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Any type of social media is a great place where you can just live
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: by what you're talking and you can just show examples of of your faith in action.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think I don't like some of the like.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is so hard to talk about with non-Orthodox people just because there's
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: so many weird Orthodox drama and controversy online, which guided a lot of this.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I guess if you're Catholic, you would feel the same way.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: You probably don't want Jesuit priests on Twitter either.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not Catholic, but I don't want Jesuit priests to exist.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think they should have remained suppressed.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're the reason I'm Orthodox.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: They're not.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: A cute guy that I wanted to be with forever is the reason I'm Orthodox.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: But the Jesuits didn't help.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: They're the reason I'm not Catholic anymore.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: My wife gets cranky when I start ripping on the Jesuits because she,
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: when she was in grad school,
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  SPEAKER_00: went to a Jesuit church and knew any Jesuits liked them.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I'm not saying they're all horrible, but a lot of them seem to be pretty bad.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: I went to a Jesuit college.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's not for me.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: I found another path.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm also very much an ecumenicist, so I'm kind of like, whatever, to each their own.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think I come from an—because I,
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: when I was growing up for a time,
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  SPEAKER_00: went to an Episcopalian church,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I saw what the Episcopalian church has become from the inside.
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  SPEAKER_00: I look at a lot of the stuff that the majority of the Jesuits push, and I say, you know what?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: This reminds me a lot of—this reminds me a lot of the Jesuits— Or this reminds me
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of the Episcopalians and the people within the Episcopalians who led them,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: this was 30 years ago,
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: who back then you could watch leading them to where they are now.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I think the big problem for me is when you're online,
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  SPEAKER_01: and this is something we talk about a lot,
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: it's really easy to fall into a trap of being audience captured.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that is the last, like, Clergy are the last people you want audience captured.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's true.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Although to and again... And I'm thinking through specific like individual things.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'll send all these back channel because I think it's boring
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: to talk like church controversy online.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not what I'm into, which is also why I don't want them on Twitter.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I just, I don't know.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: I just feel like the audience capture, if you look at, there are some really...
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well-known Orthodox priests online
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  SPEAKER_01: who I think would be better served serving their community and their home parishes.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: They seem like they're trying to be the priests of the internet.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's something Luke always says.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, you shouldn't be the priest of the internet.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: You should be your parish priest.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's just that audience capture,
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: that like fame seeking that I'm like, this is actually antithetical to a clergy.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, this is true for people in all walks of life.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: Some people are not temperamentally capable of handling.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've often said that social media, I feel like, is similar to alcohol.
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  SPEAKER_00: In that some people can have a drink and not think about it again for a month and
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: then have another drink.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Some people can have a drink and then it's just a downward slide into,
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: like, you know, the depths of alcoholism.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: And the same is Rubus Jones.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some people can...
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, use it and it doesn't affect their personality.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: They're not the angry drunk of the online world.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people can't.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's important to understand yourself.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: But also,
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: even if you're not being the angry drunk,
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: so a lot of times people will say things that I think are entirely reasonable given
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: the context, but this is social media.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: You can't have something that is a An acceptable statement given context.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: It has to just be fully.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Understand from the outside.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just think there's too much room for lines to be crossed and miscommunications
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: and people to misunderstand.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I also think being online kind of, I don't know, we're both very online people.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: We're both being paid to be very online people at the moment.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Being online all the time does come at some social cost.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe not as much for you because I don't know that you are as like social.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that you're like going out and hanging out with friends all
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  SPEAKER_01: the time
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  SPEAKER_00: instead
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: of being online.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not like a tradeoff for you.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: But I will say like I probably do.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, go out less just because I have to be, you know, doing a million things on social media.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like that when I'm out with friends.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I am inclined to check my phone.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: I hate that about myself.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's something I really want to change, but I don't know.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just, I don't know that it,
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that social media makes in person contact, um, much better.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: I would like to clarify when you say that I'm paid.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: You're talking about that I enrolled in the creator monetization program at Twitter.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not getting paid that much for it.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: You're not getting paid that much, but you are getting paid.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: As you should be.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just wanted to clarify.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't want people to think.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're not like Mr. Moneybags.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: You are getting paid.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: Specifically,
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't want people to think that I'm getting sponsorships for my post
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: or something like that.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not affiliated with any kind of sponsorship
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: program.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: When you do,
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: when you do,
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: your friend that is a blogger will be on your butt making sure that you disclose it
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: because that is This really bothers me about influencers.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: They do not disclose when they are...
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: I would never not disclose.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm morally obligated.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even care if it's the law.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would feel I take few things seriously.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't take myself seriously in any real way.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that my opinion is better than others.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: However, what I take seriously is that people believe that I am being...
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Forthright with them.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: The only thing that I want to be taken seriously on is that I'm dealing plainly.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why I wanted to clarify.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not getting paid by any.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't signed out with Kelsey or something like that.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: Which is totally fine if you are.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, neither of us like it because we don't like gambling.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: I hate Kelsey.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a fan of gambling,
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm really—like,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: when did we decide that Kalshi and Polymarket are suitable polling agents?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that's—most of my—so I do not like them being treated as news sources,
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: and just in general for anything.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's horrific.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's really grim.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's actually really grim,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: and we could go in a whole other morality conversation when it comes to Polymarket
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: and Kalshi.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: I do think they're awful, but like— They are unfortunately a different company.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: They are very good.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Colossi and Polymark are unfortunately very good at wording their news things
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: to be easily memed.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: They have that New York Post quality of being able to frame stuff,
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: frame how they phrase things so you can easily jump off to make funny jokes,
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: which I do from time to time.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: I never like doing it,
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: but I do just because funny is funny and I don't like to go away from funny.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: But – But yeah, they are pernicious in every possible level.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think they should be banned.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is why I'll never be sponsored,
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: because I've always been very open about,
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: I really dislike these companies and everything they do and stand for.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing, I've done hundreds of sponsored post deals, not on Twitter.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I did do some sponsored posts.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Post stuff a long time ago.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: It would have all been deleted because I think I tweet delete old posts.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: But anyways, I digress.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: You have to disclose.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: And technically,
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: influencers can be fined for not disclosing,
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: but the bigger fines come down on the companies that contract them.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: There was a case, and gosh, this is like ancient history now.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was like 10, 15 years ago.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Saks Fifth Avenue was using Kim Kardashian and a bunch of other influencers
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: to promote some sale they had going on or something,
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: and nobody disclosed that it was a paid post.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Again, you have to do it.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just the law.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's an FCC rule.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: You have to disclose if you're being paid for something.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: It also is against the terms of service of every social media thing.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: So...
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Kim Kardashian didn't get slammed with a fine.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Saks Fifth Avenue had to pay a fine.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was like 15 or 20,000 for every incident.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was well, they were like up there, up there.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was a huge, huge fine.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: And nobody learned from it.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: They do go after people.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is there's so many things that they don't go after it much.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, they'd have a heyday if they did.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a lot of small fry cases, but it would be a big deal in aggregate.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: But they don't go after it for the most part.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, you know, just little things.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: It would be a big PR headache.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: So why bother?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I was texting.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I don't.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: I understand the need for people to, like,
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: people want to pay bills,
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: people have bills to pay,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: people want to translate their whatever online notoriety they have
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: into monetizable form.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: I understand that.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's no shame in doing sponsored posts.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have worked with awesome companies.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: You can't tell right now because I actually put my shirt on inside out,
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: but I'm wearing an Iowa pork shirt right now.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: It says like pork is home is where the pork is or something stupid.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was a partnership I did promoting Iowa pork.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: But like I'm proud to have done a lot of sponsored post work I did.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: I got to see the world because I used to be one
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: of Princess Cruise's like top Instagram people that they contracted out.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I was happy talking about them.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was just sharing my experience.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Who doesn't like a cruise?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have anything bad to say.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: If there's something negative,
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't usually talk about it, but I just won't talk about something at all.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't see anything wrong with sponsored posts.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: As long as you are...
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: When we're talking for gambling people, okay, that's different.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: But I always disclosed.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was always like, this is hosted.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: As long as you're up front about it,
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: and like you say,
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: you're up front that I am being sponsored by this thing, and you don't lie.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Lying by omission, I think, is more excusable.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: But, yeah.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I want to be clear about what I just said,
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: because I was definitely not lying by omission,
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: and I know you're not saying that, but...
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: I did partner with some brands that I was like, I can't recommend this.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's a good product.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not on board.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have any positive things to say.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I just quietly backed out of it.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: I just didn't talk about them at all.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not someone, especially on my website, people are going to my website for burn reviews.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I generally keep it really positive.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: I just won't talk about something if I don't like it.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: And if I wouldn't use it myself.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I tell my audience that all the time.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: I say up front, if I don't like it, I'm not talking about it.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: If you're seeing it,
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: it's because I actually like it,
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: and I would spend money for it, even for things that I'm gifted to.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I shouldn't say lying by omission.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: I should say choosing your emphases is probably a better – but again,
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: as long as you've disclosed this is like I'm in a partnership with this person,
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: choosing your emphases is fine.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're obviously – it would be taken for granted.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, that's – We need
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: to grow this so I can actually pitch it and we can get sponsors.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: You should pitch it and then we can.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how any of this works.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: Again, no one has ever paid me for anything.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, pitching is the easy part.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: We need to have the audience first.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: I dissolutely, periodically remind people that this exists.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: I finally did get around to putting it in my bio, a link to this.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even have it in my bio.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: I do on my link in bio, which is something that you don't get here, like on Twitter.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: On Twitter, it's just my website, but.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: So self-promoting things like this is difficult because people
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: are— Oh,
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: my God, I hate it so much.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, people are less likely to like and riposte a random thing they see saying,
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: you know, so it like—
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not that many people see it.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: You have to do this.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: You see people doing it.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: You have to do this thing where you're constantly promoting it.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then, like, you know, slowly people become aware of it.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I just don't like doing that.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm terrible at selling myself in general.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just not good at it.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because I start feeling self-conscious and be like, no one wants to see this.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: People don't log on and they say, I want to see him post a thing about his podcast.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: You are describing the last 16 years of my existential crisis.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a website owner who would say the exact same things.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I never talk about my blog.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: And when people will be like, oh, I made one of your recipes tonight, I always die inside.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm always like, oh, my God, what if they hated it?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: They're judging me.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: They think I suck.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, nothing makes me more uncomfortable than someone being like, oh, I found your blog.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, no.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Not an easy word for the insecurity.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm like the most insecure person on the planet.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I say that to people and they do not,
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: like most people don't take me seriously when I say that,
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: but I think you've realized I really am.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, you are definitely insecure.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to disagree on that.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Always have been, always will be.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm coughing so much again still.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: I still have.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Last night was the first night in a while.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't wake up in the middle of the night coughing.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm finally on the mend.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So you got a couple more days probably because you got it a couple days after us
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: because we gave it to
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: you.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it's lingering from that.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: But also I did fly back to Colorado with my daughter for a few days.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: All that dry airplane air.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, the dry air in Colorado is killing me.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Dry airplane air is nothing.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: You've acclimated to the swampy Northeast humidity.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: I will say, I'll compliment the East Coast for a few things.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Number one, the humidity.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: My skin has never looked better.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: I came back here and I was like, oh God, the wrinkles are coming back.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Just being moisturized is a fantastic thing.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's the Sahara here.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: My daughter and I were flying in and Bridget's had the hardest time with our move.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: She's not liking Boston.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: And she actually will say she thinks it's really cool and she actually really likes the city.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's just she left her friend.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: She's a 14-year-old girl.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, she's miserable.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: I moved right before my freshman year of high school, too, and I hated it.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: And that ended up being the favorite place that I lived.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I know good times are around the corner.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, it's a little tough.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: But we're flying in.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the whole time she's like, I want to go back to Colorado.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to go back to Colorado.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: We're flying in.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, oh, it's so brown and ugly here.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I know.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: You've gotten spoiled.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, the mountains make it, which I've sent pictures of where I live.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: I live right up next to the mountains.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I have a very different view of much of Colorado because we have like a one in
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: a million property.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: And It's my husband's family property.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: We don't own it now, but we will in the future.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: We will never get rid of it, hopefully.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: We will fight to the nail to keep this property as a family property
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: because it is like the most special place on earth.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that I would have half as many warm and fuzzy feelings towards Colorado
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: if we didn't have this property.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's, I mean, you often sent me pictures, pictures, like, ah, it's the better.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, the mountains look nice, but that's some, you got scrub.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's just, like, where the hell are the trees?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, we don't even have scrub right now.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's all so dead.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that was the other really funny thing.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Moving to Boston, they have drought signs up, because I guess they had a drought this year.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: And we were looking at one of them for just turrets to be, and she's like, oh, so cute.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: You think you have a drought?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: An East Coast drought is a very different thing than a West Coast drought.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's livingly different.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Flying in here,
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: and like the volunteer fire,
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: we have like a volunteer wildland crew that's right up the street from us.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: And they have like their four alarm, like dry, do not even turn on your grill flags.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit different.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: And East Coast drought literally just means,
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know, if you would be so kind, please cut your showers a little bit shorter.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't rain for like a month.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: So now, you know,
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up in Los Angeles,
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: so I'm used to the whole like in L.A.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: in the 80s, we were always told to like, oh, this is so gross.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like really turned off by this.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: And my husband still does this sometime and it like super gives me the ick.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: But the like, if it's yellow, let it mellow.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: They wanted you to only flush if it was a number two.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, no, we need to be flushing all the time.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so grossed out by that.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Don't even.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing gives me the ick more.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Don't even get me started on Los Angeles water,
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: because I will just go all day about how Los Angeles single-handedly destroyed
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: the entirety of the eastern half of California by sucking all their water up.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they also destroyed— George Paul Holland was a monster.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: They also destroyed Colorado and had Colorado get into some really,
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: really sketchy—so water law has—like, water— Court is its own thing.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: And water law is its own thing.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: One of our best friends is a water lawyer.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: They have their own court system.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's the Wild West.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: They have like crazy rules.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: Water law is a very specific, specific set up.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like not just any lawyer can be a water lawyer.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: It Well, it's especially crazy from an East, like, you know, I grew up next to Great Lakes.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, there's a water was never a thing.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have the Western water courts that we have.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: No one cares about water.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Water's everywhere.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: Who cares?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then,
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: out West, it's just, you know, everybody's fighting over a tiny little mud patch.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like our friend, who's the water lawyer, has in the past represented Vale.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: And in one, in one case, He was both representing and fighting Vale, like different divisions.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it is confusing,
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: but it's not because you have like Beaver Creek has their watershed,
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Vale has their watershed, like different.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's all the same umbrella company, but it was different groups within it.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: But all of that is really important because if you don't enforce your water rights,
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: you can lose your water rights.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it just, ugh.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: We sold,
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: we actually had a bunch of ditch rights at the farm and we sold our ditch rights
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: because they actually rerouted the ditch.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: So we haven't had water in the ditch since like my husband was born.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think it ever would.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like we had a hundred year flood.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: We still lived in another town across the freeway, but.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: His grandparents were here,
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: and they still didn't have water flowing through the ditch through,
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: like, a hundred-year flood, so.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's, which,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: gets into the whole, it's always humorous what people out west call a river.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: I
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: laugh so much, like,
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: when I'm on the east coast,
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: and they're, like, stream, and I'm, like, this stream is, like, a class-five rapid.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's,
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: the town I grew up in,
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: there's a,
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: all up and down, um,
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Western Pennsylvania,
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: there's this thing called the French – it's called the French Creek because it's
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: where the French were hanging out up at the north end of it up near Erie.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: And the French Creek would be a river if you – like,
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: you know, it would be a mighty navigable river if you go out west.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: It was –
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually kind of cool.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: George Washington went up from Pittsburgh while he was with the British militias.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: His first job with the British was going up the French Creek to go tell the French
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: to get lost, and the French told him to get lost.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: But he canoed up the whole thing.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: It is actually navigable,
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: and if he was out west,
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: it would definitely be considered to be a major river waterway.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: So my dad is from South Dakota and still has some family there.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: And we used to do like big family reunions when my grandma was alive up there.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: And they're from the Black Hills.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: We would always,
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: when I was a teenager,
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: we would go and we would get huge inner tubes and like go inner tubing in the creek.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: But you would have to pick up the inner tube and,
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: like, walk in certain parts because there's not enough water.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: And to call it a creek, I guess, was generous.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was a trickle.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: It was just a trickle.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: It really was a trickle.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: People were impressed that we could get floating for a while.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And we were like, we're so bored at our redneck cousins, like, family reunion.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, I don't know.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: It just...
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: We definitely have a different relationship with water, like even in Boston.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: So the seminary campus is right next to Jamaica Pond.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: They call it a pond.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's a small lake.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: In Colorado, we would call it a lake.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: We have smaller lakes.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: If the boats can go on it, it's a lake.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: But again, it's just a very different way of living.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: One of the things that's great about America is how varied the country is in
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: that way,
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: where you have these completely different biomes that are all contained within
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: the same country.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: But one of the problems is people from the different biomes often don't travel to
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: the other biomes much and don't understand that what works
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: for them doesn't work everywhere.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: What is necessary for them doesn't work everywhere.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, which,
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: that's a common problem in America,
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: and I think in general,
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: is people don't understand that their experience isn't universal.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: No doubt.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's the problem with the internet.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Speaking of people from different places.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's a world war going on on X, formerly known as Twitter, of people from various countries.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's always Twitter.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: People from various countries,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: not America for the most part, just shit-talking each other constantly.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's the French and the Germans and the Japanese and the Chinese and the Turks.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure there's other players.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: These are the dominant.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: The Turks got into it with the Chinese.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was amazing.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: But the Turks and the Chinese have actually had this going for a long time because,
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: and, oh, God,
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: mark this down on the calendar because it's going to be a time
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: that I actually stand up for the Turks.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: This all started a lot when a lot of the Uyghur camp information was coming out.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: So the Turks actually started it then because we were finding out information on Uyghur camps.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually going to pause this because he just got up and walked away.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I think he messed up something.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm marking this.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, I know, but I lost my train of thought.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not good at talking by myself.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm way better at riffing
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: than you, clearly.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, you really are.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so not good at talking to myself.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: I spilled my soda.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: I had to go clean up.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: I talk to myself all day, every day, and I find it so uninteresting.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think anyone else would find it interesting.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: So when you got up, I just zoned out.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, but...
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: Traditionally,
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: this is a little war that has been going on for a long time between the Chinese and
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: the Turks because of the Uyghur concentration camps.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: I will stand up for the Turks in that.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's fair enough.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: We don't talk enough about the Uyghur concentration camps.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, we don't.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Pretend or don't exist.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: Which they very much do.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: And even though I am not a fan of greater Islam because of militant Islam...
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm also going to stand up for basic human rights, and they are clearly being violated.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: They're children of God.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Whether they follow the Christian God or not, they're children of God.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: They deserve to not be herded into camps.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is the exact same reason that both of us, you know, are advocates of Israel.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, mine isn't any kind of religion.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: I do know a lot of people— Yeah, anyways, that's a whole other side.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go back to the, so we're watching lots of people.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting a call from my neighbor.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll mark it.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, my neighbor is going out of town and they apparently,
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: my neighbor is going out of town and apparently felt bad if he wasn't going
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: to be here to give our daughters candy.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: So he's calling to say he's coming over to give us candy.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, that is the cutest thing I've ever heard.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was going to cut all of this out, but I'm leaving that in because that's really cute.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to show up at the door in a minute and I'll go pick up the candy from him.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I have to go drive my daughter's friend home soon anyways.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: We can return to this topic later.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: Perhaps later today we can just tack it on our next time.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you want to do, but definitely, yeah.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Let's mark it.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Let's mark it.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to pick it up later?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: If we have time.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: You have the drive.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's really quickly wrap it up then.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then if we get back to it later, great.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: If we don't, we won't.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: I literally am just driving to Loughlin.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, I think we're wrapping it up right now.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: I honestly just leave this all.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: You might cut out the chunk where I was chatting,
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: but I think it's a nice non-standard way to end it, and I like it.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: There he is.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Bye-bye.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to hope.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.