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251: Totally Who-Less · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 9: I'm Dave the Conduit, I suppose.
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  Speaker 2: See, there you go. Sporty Dave could not be here
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  Speaker 2: this week. I tried. I wanted to get as many
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  Speaker 2: Daves as possible.
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  Speaker 10: don't even have to make up a ridiculous one for you.
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  Speaker 9: Ben and I are from the Tower of Technobabble. Actually,
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  Speaker 9: this is a hostile takeover.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 10: You tried to pull that last time, and this time
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  Speaker 10: we totally outnumber you.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to do all the work. Don't. Don't mess
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  Speaker 4: up a good thing.
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  Speaker 10: if you're also going to edit the show.
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  Speaker 9: I am a guest here, an honored guest. I will
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  Speaker 9: put my shoes back on.
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  Speaker 2: That always takes care of that issue.
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  Speaker 10: I always get to claim every show because I'm the
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  Speaker 10: only one who will ever piece it together. We are
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  Speaker 4: Haunted. I just found out this place is haunted.
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  Speaker 2: You don't hear clicking projectors because they quit using those
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  Speaker 3: It's much quieter up here.
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  Speaker 10: So, yeah, this is sort of a crossover episode with
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  Speaker 10: Tower of Technobabble. So Ben and Dave the Conduit are
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  Speaker 10: both from there.
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  Speaker 2: So do you guys want to give a little shout-out
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  Speaker 2: to yourselves?
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  Speaker 4: Not really, no.
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  Speaker 3: Do you?
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  Speaker 2: Where do you find it, at least?
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  Speaker 9: You find it at toweroftechnobabble.com. But, you know, since we
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  Speaker 9: might as well.
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  Speaker 3: Mark it while we're here.
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  Speaker 4: Cross-promote, dammit! Cross-promote!
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  Speaker 2: Cross-promote!
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  Speaker 4: Well, you go triple W, because you've got to do that.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't do that.
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  Speaker 10: We're the best kept secret on the internet. The best
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  Speaker 10: show you're not listening to. Oh, wait, I thought that
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  Speaker 10: was ours.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 9: We're going to run for the money.
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  Speaker 2: It's a battle.
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  Speaker 9: Racing toward the bottom.
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  Speaker 8: Battle royale.
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  Speaker 2: There can be only one show no one listens to.
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  Speaker 4: Ira Glass has nothing to worry about.
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  Speaker 7: Screw that guy.
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  Speaker 1: Nowhere near him.
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  Speaker 10: So for this week's geek activities, this week we're focusing
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  Speaker 10: on Doctor Who, and this.
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  Speaker 2: Was all sort of orchestrated by Ben.
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  Speaker 5: Yes!
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, Ben, you are.
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  Speaker 10: The resident Doctor Who geek. You came up with this
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  Speaker 10: crossover episode. So I thought to kick things off, before
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  Speaker 10: we get into the movie, we would give people an
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  Speaker 10: idea of where you're coming from on this concept and
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  Speaker 10: your history with Doctor Who. So we'll start with there.
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  Speaker 10: How old were you when you first came across Doctor Who?
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  Speaker 4: I was in high school, actually. I'm a late bloomer.
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  Speaker 2: We're still waiting for you to come around.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
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  Speaker 4: What do you want to know about it? See, I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to be all.
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  Speaker 10: that guy i think we just needed to go back
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  Speaker 10: to like where you're pulling from because that's as you
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  Speaker 10: will find out listener um pretty much everybody on our
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  Speaker 10: end we're not doctor who fans so i was gonna
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  Speaker 10: that that's sort of our response is to see if
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  Speaker 10: non-doctor who fans will watch this and take something from
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  Speaker 10: it or have you know what their perspective is but
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  Speaker 10: you you are the one that's from the other side
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  Speaker 10: you were there before this came around you were watching
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  Speaker 10: it on The PBS?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, it's very weird for me because when I
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  Speaker 4: first got into Doctor Who, it was something you didn't
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  Speaker 4: really mention in mixed company. If you thought it was
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  Speaker 4: bad being a Star Trek fan trying to go to
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  Speaker 4: high school, you did not mention this at all. I
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  Speaker 4: was in the closet. I didn't... I hid all my books.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't talk to anyone. I thought I was the
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  Speaker 4: only one in the entire state of Indiana that had.
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  Speaker 3: Ever actually heard of the show.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's so weird to me now that that
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  Speaker 4: it's been remade it's come back and the hipsters love
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  Speaker 4: it and it's so weird for me now because like
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  Speaker 4: you know the big uh hipster thing is to say
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  Speaker 4: oh you think it's good now well i was watching
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  Speaker 4: it back then and the thing is i was watching
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  Speaker 4: it back then and i can't say that now or
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  Speaker 4: i'll sound like a hipster dude so i'm damned if.
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  Speaker 10: I do see if i don't on your recent doctor
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  Speaker 10: who episode you you had a really Cool little setup.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 10: You guys should go and listen to it. Your guest
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  Speaker 10: was awesome, who is actually from Doctor Who land.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was from England.
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  Speaker 3: He lives in England.
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  Speaker 2: The magic of the internet brings him to you.
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  Speaker 9: His accent was real.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, he wasn't even faking it like we do on
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  Speaker 10: every episode. But, no, I thought that was a really
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  Speaker 10: cool episode. But midway in, I was just listening to
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  Speaker 10: your telling some version of that story, and I'm like.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Vince kind of is the hipster.
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  Speaker 10: Because it's come full circle. You've become one of those
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  Speaker 10: people that doesn't like something because it's become popular. But
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  Speaker 10: doesn't that make you the hipster? You want to be
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  Speaker 10: cool and like things that are uncool.
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  Speaker 2: That makes you the hipster.
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  Speaker 4: I still like it just as much as I always have.
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  Speaker 4: But the thing is now because it's so popular.
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  Speaker 2: You're back in the closet.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so in the closet. I brought my little toy
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  Speaker 4: TARDIS out of my closet. tonight to put on the
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  Speaker 4: desk here to kind of set the mood.
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  Speaker 2: Were you hiding it under your coat walking through the
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  Speaker 2: parking lot?
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  Speaker 4: I have a shoebox right here. And, you know, since
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  Speaker 4: we're going to talk about him, I also, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I got my little action figure, the guy we're going
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  Speaker 4: to talk about tonight.
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  Speaker 2: That's the hipster scaredy guy I am. I'm looking at
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  Speaker 2: it from the back.
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  Speaker 4: I'll put him in the target.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at him from the back.
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  Speaker 10: It kind of looks like Johnny Depp's Sleepy Hollow action
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  Speaker 10: figure from there.
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  Speaker 9: Ben just brought an action figure with, what, 16 points
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  Speaker 9: of articulation?
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 10: But does his finger fit in the trigger of a gun?
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  Speaker 10: Because that's the mark of quality with the old McFarlane toys.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't hold a gun?
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  Speaker 2: I know. What a lame action figure.
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  Speaker 11: He doesn't go in the TARDIS because of his stance.
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  Speaker 4: That's lame.
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  Speaker 9: He's not an action figure. He's a thought figure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we don't like that at all. We don't support thinking.
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  Speaker 4: Well, anyway, to get back to what you're saying, it
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  Speaker 4: was a show that was on public TV here, which
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  Speaker 4: is how most people in America of a certain age
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  Speaker 4: found out about it. I guess it was the late
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  Speaker 4: 80s when it started playing here in Louisville, and my
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  Speaker 4: brother was watching it, and I was.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of walked into the room and I saw
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  Speaker 4: what he was watching and I started giving him hell
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  Speaker 4: for it because it was goofy as shit. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's like.
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  Speaker 2: They had a very minimal budget.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like whenever you watch the Star Trek show
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  Speaker 4: from the 60s, you can kind of see the wire.
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  Speaker 4: On this show, you could see twine string.
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  Speaker 6: It was huge.
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  Speaker 4: You could see him holding it up.
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  Speaker 2: There was a guy in the background holding it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You could see the guy making the thunder noises because
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  Speaker 4: the mic booms on it. So I was giving my
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  Speaker 4: brother hell for watching it. And I sat down. And
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  Speaker 4: because we didn't have cable, there was nothing else to watch.
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  Speaker 4: And I didn't have a driver's license. And I just
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  Speaker 4: got sucked in like you wouldn't believe. It was so fun.
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  Speaker 4: That's the bottom line. It was absolutely fun. It was
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  Speaker 4: so well written.
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  Speaker 3: What era were they showing?
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  Speaker 4: This was Tom Baker.
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  Speaker 3: Tom Baker. That was pretty much what.
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  Speaker 2: They looped, I think, in this era for years.
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  Speaker 3: I always liked the Tom Bakers. Yeah, it's good stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Whenever it was first being shown here, PBS, WKPC, they
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  Speaker 4: had bought the Tom Baker era, which roughly ran from...
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  Speaker 4: It was seven years. It started in the early 70s
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  Speaker 4: and ran until 81 in Britain. And they were just
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  Speaker 4: looping it.
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  Speaker 3: And I.
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  Speaker 4: I just got sucked in. It was sort of love
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  Speaker 4: at second sight because I was ridiculing it at first.
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  Speaker 4: And I just can't describe what it was about it.
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  Speaker 4: It's like at that time, all of the big action
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  Speaker 4: shows on TV, you know, it was all kind of pseudo-macho-manly-like.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes the 18 pick flowers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was all, I'm solving problems with this.
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  Speaker 4: And this was a guy who was solving problems by
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  Speaker 4: talking his way out of situations. He was smart. He
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  Speaker 4: didn't give a damn what anyone thought about him. And
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  Speaker 4: I guess as an impressionable little teenager, I saw more
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  Speaker 4: in that show to like than in Star Trek Next Generation,
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  Speaker 4: which is what I, in theory, should have been really
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  Speaker 4: embracing but it was so I felt like on Star
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  Speaker 4: Trek you had to go to school and you had
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  Speaker 4: to get straight A's and you had to join the
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  Speaker 4: military before you ever got to go see any kind
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  Speaker 4: of an alien and on this show you just walked
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  Speaker 4: in into a phone booth and went off so yeah
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  Speaker 4: so so i but anyway i and so eventually kbc
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  Speaker 4: they bought all of the series and I was videotaping in.
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  Speaker 4: I eventually got the whole run after a couple of
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  Speaker 4: years because they were just constantly playing them every Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: And it was my little secret.
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  Speaker 3: No one else.
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  Speaker 4: I tried mentioning it to a couple of friends. They
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  Speaker 4: had never heard of it. And I didn't want to
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  Speaker 4: rock the boat or get pounded, basically. So it kind
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  Speaker 4: of stayed my little secret for a long, long time.
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  Speaker 4: And then in 2005, or the show ended in Britain
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  Speaker 4: in 89 because it had gotten really, really bad. It
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  Speaker 4: had gotten embarrassingly bad.
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  Speaker 10: I think what they said, the BBC really didn't even
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  Speaker 10: support it anymore. Towards the end, even they were cutting
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  Speaker 10: the budget, which they had no budget.
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  Speaker 4: They were trying to kill it.
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  Speaker 2: They were promoting it.
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  Speaker 4: They were trying to kill it slowly.
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  Speaker 3: It had been a part of their culture since, what, 1963? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So that generation had grown up, and there didn't seem.
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  Speaker 2: To be anyone around to pick it up.
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  Speaker 4: Part of the problem was the people that loved it
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  Speaker 4: in the 70s... they had grown up with the show
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  Speaker 4: so the people making it in the 80s were trying
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  Speaker 4: to appeal to this fan base that had grown up
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  Speaker 4: and they kind of forgot that they need to make
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  Speaker 4: it for the 8 year olds and instead they were
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  Speaker 4: trying to placate these teenage fans and you know teenage
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  Speaker 4: fans are the worst well obviously you didn't look at
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  Speaker 4: this episode because this was supposed to do this happened
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  Speaker 4: before you know it's insanity and they just kind of
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  Speaker 4: lost the spirit of it they lost the fun of
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  Speaker 4: it and the BBC got embarrassed by it, and it's
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  Speaker 4: too long to go into here. But basically, also, the
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  Speaker 4: guy running it kind of had a flair for the
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  Speaker 4: overly dramatic. There's this concept in Britain called panto, and
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  Speaker 4: we don't really have it here. Are you guys familiar
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  Speaker 4: with that concept? It's something like a big garish play,
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  Speaker 4: like they'll do a Pinocchio featuring some B-list star. It's
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  Speaker 4: this big musical, and over the top.
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  Speaker 2: Here it's called the sci-fi channel.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, basically the guy running it, he was really into that.
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  Speaker 4: So all the costumes suddenly became really loud and overlid.
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  Speaker 4: And at the same time they were trying to make
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  Speaker 4: it gritty and teenage and just nothing was working. The
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  Speaker 4: BBC were sick of it. And they actually did cancel
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  Speaker 4: it in 1985. There was this huge fan backlash. They
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  Speaker 4: brought it back. went on for about four more years,
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  Speaker 4: and then instead of canceling it, they just said, well,
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  Speaker 4: we might make it next year. Well, we might make
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  Speaker 4: it the year after that. And they just let it go.
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  Speaker 7: Just shh.
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  Speaker 4: Don't forget about it.
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  Speaker 12: From what I understand, the way that TV series run
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  Speaker 12: in England, it's not like it doesn't have to be consecutive.
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  Speaker 12: You know, like there's series one of The Office, and
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  Speaker 12: then they cannot make it, and then they can make
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  Speaker 12: it three years later. It's not like. set to run
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  Speaker 12: every season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't get picked up for a continuous run.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's the way I understand it.
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  Speaker 4: That is the new way. And back then, it was
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  Speaker 4: a little bit different. And Doctor Who had ran every
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  Speaker 4: single year. at that point, for like 25 years straight
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  Speaker 4: without a break, except for that little 85 hiatus.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine writing that? Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: It's like The Simpsons now. It's like, what do we
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  Speaker 10: write about? We've done everything three times.
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  Speaker 3: We just kind of cycle stuff through. The daylights would
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  Speaker 3: come on, and then they'd go away, and then they'd
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  Speaker 3: bring them back. If the ratings are lagging, let's bring
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  Speaker 3: those guys back. That's always working.
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  Speaker 4: And when it started in the 60s, everything was done
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  Speaker 4: in-house at the BBC. It was kind of this old
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  Speaker 4: boys' club.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Because the show had been going on for so long,
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  Speaker 4: by the time it got to the 80s, when that
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  Speaker 4: TV scenario happened that you were talking about, everything was
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  Speaker 4: pretty much being done by these outside production houses that
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  Speaker 4: could do that, except for Doctor Who. It was the
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  Speaker 4: only one that was still kind of being done the
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  Speaker 4: old way. And ABC were just wanting to get.
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  Speaker 3: Rid of it. Yeah, they had in-house effects guys and
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  Speaker 3: everything else. One of them was a guest a couple
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  Speaker 3: years ago at Wonderfest. This guy that designed... k9 he
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  Speaker 3: brought you he brought k9 to the show yeah oh
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  Speaker 3: wow it's pretty.
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  Speaker 4: Cool very cool um wow i didn't know about that
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  Speaker 4: um so that was the show that i liked and
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  Speaker 4: when i was in high school not so much those
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  Speaker 4: later 80 years yeah it was the the shows that
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  Speaker 4: were made in the 70s is what pbs was showing
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  Speaker 4: first and that's when it was just still really it
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  Speaker 4: was cheap but it was entertaining And it was fun.
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  Speaker 4: That's the bottom line.
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  Speaker 3: It was just fun.
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  Speaker 10: That's the only thing I really knew of it. As
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  Speaker 10: a kid, I think I would always see the intro
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  Speaker 10: coming on, and I'd be like, this is that show
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  Speaker 10: that seems like it's going to be scary, and then
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  Speaker 10: it's not scary. Because that intro is creepy. It seems
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  Speaker 10: like something's going to happen, and then.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, this is just a guy in a scarf.
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  Speaker 4: If you were six years old in Britain and you
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  Speaker 4: didn't have anything else to watch, it was terrifying. Or
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  Speaker 4: if you were a sad kid in high school in Indiana,
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  Speaker 4: it was terrifying.
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  Speaker 10: But then later I was supposed to be doing the
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  Speaker 10: movie stuff for the Joe Bob, and they sent out
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  Speaker 10: whatever movies they wanted. At one point they released those,
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  Speaker 10: I guess this one was almost like a, remembering whatever
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  Speaker 10: anniversary it was for Tom Baker, because they did, at
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  Speaker 10: the time, it was like a two-tape set of him
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  Speaker 10: going through all of his years, because he was on
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  Speaker 10: there forever.
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  Speaker 4: I just sold that tape on eBay.
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  Speaker 10: And I watched that one, and that was like my only,
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  Speaker 10: because they played clips from all of his years. So
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  Speaker 10: I did get sort of the sampling of the whole
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  Speaker 10: run that he was there and kind of what was
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  Speaker 10: going on, but it was weird coming totally cold. I mean,
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  Speaker 10: coming in like not having hardly any concept of what
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  Speaker 10: was going on.
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  Speaker 2: But the funniest thing about that.
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  Speaker 10: Specific tape is he was already, like, he's still out there,
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  Speaker 10: isn't he, Tom Baker? Because he was already getting up
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  Speaker 10: there in years then, and this has been a while ago.
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  Speaker 10: But it's funny that every time they, because they were
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  Speaker 10: actually playing the clips while he was sitting there, and
• 16:07
  Speaker 10: it's just him sitting in a chair, like, watching them
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  Speaker 10: and then responding to the camera.
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  Speaker 2: And almost every time he would go, I.
• 16:15
  Speaker 10: Don't really remember that one. His brain was already going,
• 16:19
  Speaker 10: I guess, because every other clip, I swear he'd go,
• 16:22
  Speaker 10: don't really remember when we shot this one.
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  Speaker 4: The really interesting thing about that setup was it was
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: done before DVDs, and before the whole concept of a
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: DVD commentary came out. So it was kind of a
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: unique thing, showing an actor.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Sitting there.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Examples of the work that he has done, and ask
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: him to comment on it. And without seeing these clips
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: in context, yeah, you're right, he was lost.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: He was like, what are we doing here?
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: But now... He's been on several commentaries of his old shows,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: and he's just larger than life and hilarious and just
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: still insane and great. He thinks that he is Doctor
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Who every now and then.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: He still gets to hold the title, right? Nobody else
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: has done it that long.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's kind of the definitive Doctor.
• 17:10
  Speaker 10: Well, for America, he's definitely the definitive Doctor.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: I first saw it back when Louisville first got cable,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: which would have been around 80, 81. And if you
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: lived in the city, you got cable. If you lived
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: in the county like me, you didn't get it for
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: a couple of years. Good luck.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: They might get it to you.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: But I lived like, you know, two miles from the
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: city limit, so I'd go visit friends. And they had
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: WOR out of New York, and they were running Doctor
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Who on Saturday, like mid-morning or afternoon, and it was
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Tom Baker. And I finally got to see some of it.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: It was fun. Like you said, it's fun. I think
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: the biggest thing Doctor Who had going was charm.
• 17:42
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And Tom Baker is a very... charming performer because
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: he combines that fun and that whole I don't give
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: a shit attitude which it worked I really enjoyed it
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: well you.
• 17:52
  Speaker 10: Compared it to the old Star Trek and to me
• 17:54
  Speaker 10: I mean that's kind of I mean they had pretty
• 17:56
  Speaker 10: minimal budget for what they were trying to do especially
• 17:59
  Speaker 10: for Network so it's like to me that was always
• 18:01
  Speaker 10: what worked about the original and you're not watching it
• 18:03
  Speaker 10: for the effects and the cheap sets it's that they
• 18:06
  Speaker 10: were written pretty well and they were meant to be
• 18:09
  Speaker 10: you know kind of a new bar set for sci-fi
• 18:11
  Speaker 10: especially on television for mainstream people in that era and
• 18:15
  Speaker 10: And I think Doctor Who was kind of doing that
• 18:17
  Speaker 10: same thing. It's like nobody was writing, especially that consistently,
• 18:21
  Speaker 10: nonstop for years.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: And that is.
• 18:23
  Speaker 10: Kind of what had to carry it because they don't
• 18:25
  Speaker 10: have money. So it's just charm and being kind of intelligent.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: And I also think something with these old shows, like
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: even in movies from the 50s, sci-fi movies then, it
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: kind of goes through stages where it comes out first,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: it's popular. Then maybe 10 years go by, and people
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: are embarrassed by it because it looks cheesy and it
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: looks silly. And then maybe another 10, 15 years go by,
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: and people reevaluate it, and it's still cheesy, but they
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: see it as something very, very charming.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: The nostalgia factor kicks in, too.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, we do that with everything.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: So that's how the 60s Trek is now, and that's how.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Old Doctor Who is now. British television was rich with
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: a lot of good... kids' genre stuff. You look back then,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: you had all those Gerry Anderson shows on. You had
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: the Mysterians, you had Thunderbirds, you had all that stuff
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: being produced for kids in Britain with high production value.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: You had Doctor Who. It's not something we really had here.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: We had cartoons or imported shows like Ultramarine, occasionally Thunderbirds
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: or something. We had Stingray on when I was a kid.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: That's a British show. So, you know, it was kind
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: of rare that you got it into the market. So, for...
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Free TV. Well, they don't have free TV in Britain.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: You still have to pay for it.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which is weird.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: But for network-type television, they had a lot of stuff
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: going on that we didn't have. We hadn't lost in
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: space or we hadn't Star Trek. It never lasted very long.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I was still watching all of it.
• 19:51
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  Speaker 8: It's time for Sofa Theater. Planet Earth, 1999. He's back,
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: and it's about time.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Who are you?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: I'm the Doctor! In the fight for eternity.
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  Speaker 2: At midnight tonight, this planet will be pulled inside out.
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  Speaker 8: There can only be one master.
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  Speaker 4: I never liked this planet, Doctor.
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  Speaker 8: Paul McGann is Doctor Who.
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  Speaker 2: Don't panic!
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  Speaker 8: Monday, the 27th of May on BBC One.
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  Speaker 1: MUSIC Thank you. We're going.
• 24:46
  Speaker 15: To get into the movie.
• 24:52
  Speaker 12: Here.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, well.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: So the show ended in 89, and it was really
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: kind of sad, because by that last year, they had
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: kind of figured out, oh, we need to sort of
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: not look at this and do this other stuff, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: it finally started going into a really good direction, and
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: then it was canceled, basically, in 89, and it kind
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: of sat dead for Many, many years. And in America,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: there was a fan named Philip Siegel, S-E-G-A-L. And he
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: grew up in Britain, and he was a huge fan.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: And he got it into his head that he wanted
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: to somehow bring it back and bring it back to America.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: And at the time, he was working for Amblin, which
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: is Steven Spielberg's company. And this is like 82, 83, no,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, 92, 93. And he's developing TV shows for
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Amblin and Spielberg, like Sequest. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I avoided that every week.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: He was working on that one. But the whole time,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: his pet project was to somehow get Doctor Who made,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: because he hated the way that it ended, and he
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: wanted to bring it back and make it like it
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: was in the 70s whenever he was a kid. And
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Spielberg was like, okay, whatever, if you want to try it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: It's no 10-10, but all right.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Don't bother me, kid, I'm busy. Go and make my
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: submarine show. I have no idea what Steven Spielberg sounds like.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Just like that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: So the story goes that an executive, I think actually
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: the controller of BBC One or BBC Two, was on
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: set at Amblin. And he was going to take a
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: tour of the Sequest sets. Because they were trying to
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: decide whether or not BBC wanted to buy the show
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: and show it there. And Segal found out that this
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: guy was there. And he offered to do the tour personally.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Usually he'd hand it off to some intern, you know.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: But he went and he gave the tour to this guy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: And the whole time he was talking about Doctor Who
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: and how much he loved it. And, hey, wouldn't it
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: be great if we did a joint thing and.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: And basically because he was name-dropping Spielberg's name, BBC got interested.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Because remember, at the time, BBC was still embarrassed by
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Doctor Who. It was a laughingstock. No one mentioned it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: It was a forbidden topic, pretty much. But the thing is,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: the BBC also isn't just one company. It's a bunch
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: of little companies. It's not one big mega-corporation. And there
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: was a branch of the BBC called BBC Worldwide, and
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: they were selling videotapes for Dr. Who Like Crazy. They
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: are the ones that made that videotape that you saw
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: where they got Tom Baker to sit there and look
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: at all of these old clips. And they were selling really,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: really well. So they wanted to get in on this,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: and they wanted this to happen. And again, Spielberg's name.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: So they got this deal going where they started to
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: develop a new show that was going to be in America.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: and they were going to start from the ground up,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: and they were going to completely redo it from scratch.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: And I've seen this script. I don't like it. I
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: get down on my hands and knees and thank the
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Lord above that this didn't get made. I'm so glad,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: because it was basically, it had very little to do
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: with the Doctor Who that I loved. It was more
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: like a Stargate thing almost.
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: Nice.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: But the funny thing is Spielberg saw that script, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: he thought it read too much like Indiana Jones, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: he lost interest.
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: I remember that, yeah, because they traveled back to World
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: War II, and they're fighting Nazis, and I'm like, you
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: can't do that and have Spielberg involved.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: And also, he was on a quest for his father,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: and his father was named Ulysses, and they think that
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: he was the Ulysses from the Greek, and so it
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: kind of had this Sean Connery vibe to it, too,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: and it really was not Doctor Who, basically. And so
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Spielberg lost interest, and... Seagal actually got a different job,
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: and he left Amblin, but Spielberg said, eh, you can
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: take this Doctor Who thing with you if you want.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Take this on your way out.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: So the thing is, Universal owned 50% of everything that
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Amblin did, so Universal still had a stake in it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: BBC still wanted to do it. BBC Worldwide still wanted
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: to do it. They just needed a TV studio. So
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: they started developing more scripts, blah, blah, blah. They asked CBS.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: They said no. NBC said no. ABC said no. Fox
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: said no. But then this other guy who ran the
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Fox movie of the week department said, yeah, why don't
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: we do this? The problem was the BBC wanted a series.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: they didn't want a movie of the week. So Seagal
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: worked out this deal where if it did really, really good,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: it could be what he called a backdoor pilot. And
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: it would turn into, it would be like a sneaky.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Pilot, basically.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Because he knew that it was going to do great,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: and they were going to want to make more of it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: And Fox would be like, yeah, that was great. Let's
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: make 26 episodes. And that led to the 1996 movie,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: which we're going to talk about tonight, which was supposed
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: to be a whole new intro for American audiences who
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: had never seen it, and that's basically the backstory.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: With that, I guess we can do the full intro here.
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: So, as you said, this week's Sofa Theater feature is
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: Doctor Who, is all it is titled at, according to
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: the old IMDb. The year is 1996, director Jeffrey Sachs,
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: and the plot, according to that IMDb, is the newly
• 31:16
  Speaker 10: regenerated Doctor takes on the Master on the turn of
• 31:19
  Speaker 10: the millennium, December 31st, 1999. I think it's good that
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: they clear up when the millennium is.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I like that they throw that in at the end,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: in case you were wondering. December 31st. You gotta tell
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: us which millennium we're on right now.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: We're making a choice.
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: That's right.
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: With that, spoiler alert, we don't want to ruin this
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: for you, so I guess go seek out the 1996
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: Doctor Who movie, because we'll go forward here and ruin.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: It for you, so.
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: Well, it has been 17 years.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: That does not hold up.
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: People will complain, movies in the 30s, if you spoil them,
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: you are in trouble.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: So, where would you like to be in with Doctor Who?
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: We know the backstory of how it got there. Now,
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: what do we want to do with what was on
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: the screen?
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: I've heard it said that this movie is sort of like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: like the story of how the movie got made is
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: almost more interesting than the actual movie.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: That might be true.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: He literally went through hell. He had four movie studios
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: who all had their little motivations and they all wanted
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: certain things. So it was like four cooks in the kitchen.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: And he's often said that he couldn't really be as
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: creative as he wanted to because he was trying to
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: keep four partners happy. He had Universal, Fox, BBC, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: BBC Worldwide.
• 32:41
  Speaker 13: And.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: With that being said, it's kind of amazing that it's
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: as good as it is. Some people think it's bad.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Some people think it's good. It's definitely not. I'm amazed
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: that it got made.
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: Sounds like a recipe for success to me.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I thought it would be interesting because it is technically
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: a movie. And it was meant for people who had
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: never seen the show.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a reboot more or less.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: So I'll just put it out here. You guys had
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: never seen it. What do you guys think?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Where do we begin?
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Which one of those partners wanted Eric Roberts to be?
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 33:20
  Speaker 14: But when your big name is Eric Roberts.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: That's a problem.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Hey, don't talk bad about the star of Sharktopus, all right?
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Damn it. Well, there's a funny story there. Universal wanted
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: big stars to be a big draw, and Fox did too.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: So they were throwing out names of typical action stars
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: of that day, and the BBC insisted that it be
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: a British actor. That was one of their big, big things.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: So to compromise, Universal said, okay, the Master's going to
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: be an American quote-unquote name. And the biggest name they
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: could get for the money offering was Eric Roberts. And
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: I've actually got a list of the other people.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: And his wife.
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: Well, he was fresh off the success of Best of
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: the Best, Best of the Best 2, and Best of
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: the Best 3.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I believe.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Quality products.
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: There is a best of the best.
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: I called it like the bestest of the best.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Most bestest.
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: Did you hear who they were trying to get before him?
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: It might be on here.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of people.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: There was a huge, huge list. And I kind of
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: wrote down some of the ones that I thought were
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: interesting before. The ones that Universal considered to be a
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: name in 96. And there was Damon Wayans.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: But that was Fox.
• 34:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: That would be Fox.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Randy Quaid. Leonard Nimoy. Leonard Nimoy.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: That one, they actually were supposedly shooting stuff. Did you
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: see that?
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Ernie Hudson.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Jim Belushi. Henry Winkler, your Halloween costume.
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: Wow.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: Great.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Rick Moranis.
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: That would have been amazing.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: For The Master?
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Steve Bush.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: That would have been also amazing. Chevy Chase, who was
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: not interested. Then they went the music route for a while.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: They approached Roger Daltrey, Nick Jagger, Art Garfunkel.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait. Did they not get to Lucy, your favorite?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I believe they did Adam Ant at one point. Really?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: He was for one of the two roles. I've lost track.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: He was for The Doctor.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: He was for The Doctor.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: What is better than Eric?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: You hardly ever dress up like Eric.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: They approached Sting, who actually had a recording conflict.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I can see them approaching Sting.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: The director, Jeffrey Sachs, personally contacted Tom Selleck. Tom Selleck
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: turned it down. Get this, Tim Curry.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Now that would be good.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: He turned it down because he, quote, did not like
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Doctor Who.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Which is modest to me because you'd think, oh.
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: I thought that would be a shoo-in.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: He would have camped that up.
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: Tim Curry's British, though, right?
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: Was he for the British part?
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: I'm wondering if.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: For the master.
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: For the doctor.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: He was for the master. I guess it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: Just didn't matter which one was British and which one wasn't.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: See, it would make sense if the Master were American
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: since he's moving into an American.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Like, that's the role.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: Why would they even question that unless whoever they cast
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: was then going to do an American accent?
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: But I was kind of thinking maybe he said he
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: didn't like Doctor Who because at that time, Doctor Who
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: was a joker.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: It's a different era.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: And the one they really wanted was Christopher Lloyd.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: That's the one I saw.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: But he was too expensive.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: But did you see the rest of that?
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Eric Roberts is the biggest name that.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: They could get.
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: What it said, what I read was they initially wanted
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: Christopher Lloyd. He was considered, I think he even kind
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: of wanted to do it, but Universal wouldn't put up
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: the money for him. They got Eric Roberts and ironically
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: he turned out costing more than Christopher Lloyd. Somehow the
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: deal got screwed up and It's like, oh, man.
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: He was the biggest, cheapest star they could get.
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: You know, Christopher Lloyd ended up doing Cyberchase episodes and
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: wouldn't do Doctor Who.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: He's in Toronto.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: He did. You stop seeing Christopher Lloyd because he priced
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: himself out of a lot of books.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Until lately. And now he's like, oh, shit.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: He'll do commercials.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Now. I think Roberts did a fine job as much
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: as anybody would have. It's just the cheese factor.
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a lot in there.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: He definitely played... The Terminator. He really tried to be
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: the Terminator.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: He watched that a few times that day.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: The reason for that, I've heard, is the original idea
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: was the Master Essence, whatever, was going to get inside
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: the body of the ambulance driver. And the ambulance driver's
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: body was technically dead, and it was going to decay
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: and fall apart throughout the whole movie. And Roberts was...
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: either allergic to the makeup or too much of a
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: prima donna. So the compromise was the big leather jacket,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: and he wore the sunglasses because the contact lenses made
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: his eyes.
• 38:09
  Speaker 10: well and everybody would realize he looks like a giant
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: lizard yeah you'll notice that whole fingernail falling off thing
• 38:16
  Speaker 10: that alluded to it they started that and then he
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: got pissy and they were like.
• 38:20
  Speaker 9: Never mind so basically he lost one finger.
• 38:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah it didn't make any sense because they didn't finish
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: it but because i saw that and i was like
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: oh no now they're gonna go the fly route and
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: he's just gonna be a big mess by the time
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: Comes dragging into the TARDIS.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: I kind of think that would have made the snake
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: thing make more sense.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Kind of.
• 38:36
  Speaker 10: Or if he was just shedding his skin and, like,
• 38:38
  Speaker 10: had to get a new body.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Because of that. That would make more sense.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Not the master.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's two, though.
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: This is pre-zombie. I mean, now it would have been great. Hey,
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: zombies are all good.
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: Decomposition's in.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: It was made in Canada. Maybe they didn't have it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 38:56
  Speaker 14: But.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: I kind of, I know it's, he's so camp by
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: the end.
• 39:03
  Speaker 10: I kind of, like, that one brought it around for me, actually. Like,
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: there's midway in when I'm like, I don't know that
• 39:09
  Speaker 10: I will play in the, would I watch this game?
• 39:11
  Speaker 10: And I'm like, midway in, I'm like, I don't know.
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: This is pretty, like, it's badly piecing this stuff together.
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: And by the time he gets the robe on and
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: he suddenly becomes a villain from Power Rangers, I'm like,
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: oh shit, I might tune in for.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: This every week. If it gets this level of campy,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I would have fun with that.
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: I wanted him to wear that the whole time.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was awesome.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I think, again, that's why I kind of like him
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: as the master, because he... He wasn't like mustache twirly evil,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: and he wasn't sadistic thug. He was kind of a
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: fun evil.
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: By the time he got out of the Terminator mode,
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: when they really let him play, he's pretty fun.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: I saw this interview with him where he was talking
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: about this movie, and he said that he was basically
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: playing it like an eight-year-old who had the biggest gun.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: It wasn't evil, it was like a Halloween type of evil.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Kind of gleeful.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Gleeful, that's a new word. Because there's so many moments
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: in there where... he's almost having fun. You know, like,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: he pats the kid on the cheek. He's like, you
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: get to live. Good for you, man.
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: No, my favorite is when the kid's like, you kill me.
• 40:22
  Speaker 10: He's like, you want me to kill you? Yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, that was just funny.
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: You're just doing material now.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: You're funny.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: I think my favorite, one of my favorite scenes is
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: when they're in the ambulance and they're going to the
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: institute to get the clock and the big science institute
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: place and They're in the traffic jam. And the doctor
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: is hopping up and down, all impatient, going, come on,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: come on, come on, come on, you know, which was
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: his character perfectly. Grace, she's basically talking to the master,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: who she thinks is the ambulance driver, and saying, kind
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: of winking at him, like, yeah, he's crazy.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: Whatever.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: And the master's just sitting there, grinning, taking it all in,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: and he even corrects her.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Grammar?
• 41:09
  Speaker 13: Her.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Grammar, yeah, and it's just, I mean, you can kind of,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: because the back story in the old show is that
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: the Doctor and the Master were friends. And at some point,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: they had a big falling out, and one went evil,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: one went good. But the way Eric Robert plays it,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: you can kind of see where they would have been
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: friends whenever they were kids playing pranks on their teachers.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: They kind of both have the same kind of fun.
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: I did spend a good majority of the movie playing
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: that game of like, okay, what is supposed to trace backwards?
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: And what am I supposed to know? Or what are
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: you drawing on? I mean, there's many a time where
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: I'm like, I guess this would be a lot easier
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: if I knew tons of backstory.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Cause that's the thing.
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: They bring the master in and I'm like, is he
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: an established character?
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know.
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: They're selling it like that, but sometimes that's the reboot
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: idea is we're going to give you this backstory that
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: even the fans didn't know about. So it's like the
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: whole time I'm trying to piece together what the deal
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: is with the master backstory. And the one I was
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: going to ask you about, like the eye thing, how
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: much was that tied to the previous show?
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: In name reference only.
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: Because that's the thing. They're like, we've never opened it before.
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: I'm like, it's an eye. That's the whole point, isn't it?
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: Why would you name it the eye if you're not
• 42:33
  Speaker 10: going to open it?
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: It's probably never a good idea to open something.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Called the eye. Why would you name it that if
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you're not going to open it?
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Come on.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: I think you guys are kind of putting your fingers
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: on why it failed as a pilot.
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: Well, one thing I noticed, I mean, if you're rebooting
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: this for an audience that you have to consider has
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: never seen this, it's an American audience. So they start
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: off with Scarrow. the Master, the Doctor, Regeneration, and the
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: TARDIS within the first 30 seconds. And it's like, whoa.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And dogs.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: And dogs.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: In the background.
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: So, yeah, it's an odd place to start off right knee-deep.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: So you guys have never seen Doctor Who at all.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: I've seen a few episodes. Okay, that first minute or two,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: what were you thinking when all this info-dub stuff happened?
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: enjoying it or were you just i gotta watch this
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: because it's my homework it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 13: Was definitely a homework vibe i mean now i feel
• 43:24
  Speaker 13: like you've done a disservice to the entire series just
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: by having this be my entire perception.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: But this was the reboot but this would have been
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: you in 96 right you were the target audience.
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: Hop on on low tide i've seen i'll put it
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: this way i've seen everything 2005 on.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: And that's thanks to bits.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Thanks to bits. This was recently.
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: And I've seen bits and pieces and maybe eight episodes
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: of the old stuff. And I was almost bored to tears.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: With this one, you're saying.
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: I feel a lot better. I did have to let
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: it start in a stretch.
• 43:59
  Speaker 11: This was like, it was like, we're going to be
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: edgy 90s. We're going to be, it's almost like a procedural.
• 44:08
  Speaker 11: We're going to throw a little ER in there. And
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: some camp in there. And there was, to me, the
• 44:15
  Speaker 11: only fun of it was Eric Roberts. It was like
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: the bad scenes of... Like the shoot-em-up gang scene at
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: the beginning was like the bad human scenes from the
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I thought.
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: When they start running down the street, I'm like, I'm
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: getting a real Ninja Turtles vibe here.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: This is like the worst parts of that movie.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: It's what I felt like.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: I think the worst dialogue is how many... streetwise Chinese
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: thugs say, give me a five.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: It's San Francisco, man.
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: Come on.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: And it just, it was too, playing up too much
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: to that, it's dark, brooding 90s feel.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the aspect that's so American. And that's why
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: it doesn't work.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: You can always feel Canada to me. Oh, it was
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: San Francisco. It was still Canada.
• 45:08
  Speaker 11: I didn't know initially that when I was young that
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: you can't do that on television was Canadian, but I
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: knew something was.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Off about it. I was like, this isn't ours.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: This is foreign, like another... Another planet kind of thing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Do you get that vibe when you watch early years
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: of the X-Files? The early years of the X-Files are
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: kind of lame to me. Fun fact, they were making
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: the X-Files in the same area.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: They used the same hospital.
• 45:42
  Speaker 11: To me, it wasn't lit right. When you talk about
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: the old Doctor Who, there was not a lot of
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: fun to it. From the first episode in 2005, It
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: was serious, it was a little scary, and it was
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: a lot of fun.
• 46:00
  Speaker 12: Is that the one with the mannequins chasing her?
• 46:02
  Speaker 11: Every bit of that is... My kids immediately were like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: let's watch another. They were like, this almost scared me,
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: let's watch another.
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: Not nightmare level scared, but fun level scared.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: And the only reason that they watched this with me.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: And I interviewed my son afterwards.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: He should have brought him on.
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: He did.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: He actually interviewed and sent me an email to report
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: what his son did.
• 46:27
  Speaker 12: Nice.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: And he was like, I was like, well, did you
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: like it?
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, you don't have to tell me.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: In the kid way where you just kind of like everything?
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: You don't have to tell me you liked it just
• 46:36
  Speaker 11: because it's Doctor Who and because I know you like
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: the rest of it. I said, he goes, well, it's okay.
• 46:41
  Speaker 11: And I said, would you.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Watch it again?
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: No.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: That's how you know that it's... Because, like I said,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: when I was.
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: They've seen every episode, and they'll come home, and they'll
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: turn on Doctor Who now. And they were watching a
• 46:54
  Speaker 11: Christmas episode on my way here, just because it's fun.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: They'll put it on and do crafts or whatever, and
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: they're just, you know... It's on TV. It's like the
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: thing to do for them. It's funny, this 96 movie,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: the people that remade the show for 2005, they looked
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: at the 96 movie and almost step by step they
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: did the opposite of what the movie did. It kind
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: of became a lesson in how to not make a
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: successful TV pilot. And the weird thing is, because... At
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: the time, whenever they were making it, they were trying
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: to please everybody. They were trying to please people who
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: had never seen it. They were trying to please people
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: who were these diehard... I mean, if you guys think
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Star Wars and Star Trek fans are insane, Doctor Who
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: fans in England are... I think that might be one
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: of the reasons why I liked the show, too, is
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: because I didn't have all that fan culture here because
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: it really wasn't known. Like, over there, if I had
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: lived in Britain, I probably would be like Tim Curry.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: I would probably be like, I don't like this show
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: because the fans ruined it.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sick to death of you people.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: So the weird thing is, as a fan, I probably
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: would have been devastated if they hadn't done all that
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: fan service stuff. I mean, I can look at it
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: now and realize, oh, that was wrong. They shouldn't have
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: done that. But at the time, I was like, they
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: have to do all this because I want it to
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: be just like the old show, which was completely wrong.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: When they did it subtle, it was good.
• 48:29
  Speaker 10: Like, when he's going through the locker and he pulls
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: out the scarf and he's like, no.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: That was clever.
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: Like, that was just sort of a nod to the
• 48:37
  Speaker 10: old series, but without hitting people over the head who
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: don't know what they're doing.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: I think everything in this that is British works. Yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Everything that is Americanized and homogenized doesn't. It's like the
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: difference between British cheese and American cheese. American cheese is
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: just flat.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: British cheese isn't even individually wrapped.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I think this guy did a good job. I like
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: what they did with the TARDIS in this. They made it,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: for me, a much more homey, fun place to be.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: I tell you, as a fan who grew up watching
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: the old, over-lit cardboard sets, the TARDIS interior was just...
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: It was mind-blowing to see that.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: That's what I will give them credit for. This had
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: a good budget.
• 49:18
  Speaker 10: You can tell they pulled in American finance. and they went, okay,
• 49:21
  Speaker 10: let's throw some money at this thing.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: They were steampunk a decade before steampunk.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I really like that.
• 49:26
  Speaker 11: The touch is where he had his chair and he
• 49:29
  Speaker 11: was listening to his phonograph and there were clocks everywhere.
• 49:34
  Speaker 11: You can see where an aged doctor... He's like, I'm
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: going to put my comfortable stuff in here. I like that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: And I wanted more of that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Sounds like you saw the guy who stole the body.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: He was wearing a shroud and a GED tag on
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: his toe.
• 49:50
  Speaker 14: Somehow, I don't think the second coming happens here.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: You think he's going to go to a better hospital?
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: It's funny. In some ways, they had money. And in
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: some ways, they ran out of money.
• 50:02
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Well, they blew it all at the beginning of the set.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: They spent a ton of money on the set. And
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Eric Roberts.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hoping they could keep using it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and bringing in Eric. And the scene where the
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: ambulance gets stopped in the traffic jam because the chicken
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: truck had turned over.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, it happens.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: The guy, the director actually wanted it to be some
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: sort of a circus train scene. derailing and there was
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: going to be these wild animals and all that's a
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: different tv movie all they could afford were chickens.
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: Well you know chickens got the job done they stopped
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: the ambulance that's all you.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: Need it's right i kind of like you know chickens
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: made the world then but there's this one pass of
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: the camera where it does a close-up on the uh
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: chicken and the clucking noises is actually the director doing
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: it off camera.
• 50:47
  Speaker 10: He did a lot of that dubbing after the fact
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: didn't he because there's two or three other times they
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: cited it well it's actually the director's voice they added in.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: And But you know what? It's like.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: In the beginning, it's... I really sympathize for you guys
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: who hadn't seen it. And you're like, what's going on?
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Because to me, one of the best aspects of the
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: show is the TARDIS. And the whole... Do you guys
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: know in the middle of the movie where the Chang-Li,
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: the kid, he goes to the police box. He has
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: the key. He walks inside. It kind of shows his
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: point of view. Or not his point of view. It
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: shows him walking through the door. Looks, walks back out,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: walks around it, and then goes back in. That should
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: have been the first introduction to the TARDIS. Because in
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: the beginning, it's just you see this blue box flying,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: and then it cuts to this library. And I don't
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: think people who had never seen it before would get
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: that this library is supposed to be inside this box.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: And that's one of the most neatest ideas about this
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: whole show, and they completely get it wrong in the
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: first minute.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: That's hard to do in the introduction, I guess.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, you're right.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: That does.
• 51:56
  Speaker 10: I think I knew just because I know that's the
• 51:58
  Speaker 10: deal with Doctor Who. But if you were going in
• 52:00
  Speaker 10: totally cold, like, yeah, I don't think you would piece
• 52:02
  Speaker 10: that together.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: And that's the way the reboot in 2005, or the
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: show coming back in 2005. They don't show the inside
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: of the ship until about halfway through. And it's because
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: the girl... She basically does the same thing that the
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: kid in the 96 movie did. It shows her walking inside,
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: shows her face, the look of shock. She goes back outside,
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: walks around it, and then runs in, and the camera
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: pans back, and it's this huge... interior. It's kind of almost,
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: now that I think about it, it's almost shot in
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: the shot of how they did it in the 96 movie.
• 52:37
  Speaker 9: One thing they did in the 2005 reboot is it's
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: from Rose's point of view. You meet the Doctor through Rose.
• 52:43
  Speaker 9: Rose is the audience surrogate, so you don't have to
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: explain everything. You don't have to front load it. You
• 52:47
  Speaker 9: can just see through her eyes. She sees the TARDIS
• 52:50
  Speaker 9: for the first time when we see the TARDIS for
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: the first time. That would be a better approach for
• 52:53
  Speaker 9: a reboot.
• 52:53
  Speaker 11: The whole first season is through their holding your hand
• 52:57
  Speaker 11: and walking you through.
• 52:58
  Speaker 9: They don't front load all the You.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: Know, you're in a weird way alluding to one of
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: my biggest complaints about this movie. The whole notion that
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: he's half-human. And I hated that with a passion. I
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: still hate it as a fan. That was never in
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: the old show. That was basically the American studios trying...
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: They were afraid that the American audiences would not relate
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: to this aliens.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: He's an alien.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: He's already British, and that's bad.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: So, like, we'll make.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: Him like Spock. The kids really like that Spock guy.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: We'll make him half human, half alien. Everybody likes it.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: And the whole point of having a companion is that
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: is your, that is the person you're supposed to relate to.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: And the companion is relating to the doctor. And I
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: absolutely hated that half human thing so much. And so
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: much so, everyone else hated it, that when the show
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: came back in 2005, it was never even mentioned. they
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: were basically like la la la that didn't happen la
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: la la and we'll never speak of it yeah it
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: is interesting spoken of.
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: Ever that that is technically that's what i think is
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: interesting is that they do at least they have canonized
• 54:07
  Speaker 10: this now it is part of the lineup he is
• 54:10
  Speaker 10: a doctor this storyline did happen more or less so
• 54:13
  Speaker 10: it's weird when they do these little offshoot americanized or
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: weird you know whoever wrote this nonsense and now they
• 54:20
  Speaker 10: have to sort of gloss over them or retcon them
• 54:23
  Speaker 10: in one.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Or the other.
• 54:24
  Speaker 11: Well, and they are kind of really pulling all that
• 54:27
  Speaker 11: back in now because there are other doctors that, at
• 54:30
  Speaker 11: least one other doctor, that we're trying to forget about.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: Right now. So that's a good thing. Well, we don't
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: have to tell you all of our past. Speaking of
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: the other doctor, it opens up with a guy who
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: is not him. And for you guys who never seen it,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: what was that like? seeing someone who you think is
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: the hero and then he's not. What are your impressions
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: of that?
• 54:56
  Speaker 13: I don't know if I necessarily had an impression of
• 54:59
  Speaker 13: really anything.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I was let down when he came back.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: I kind of like the old guy.
• 55:05
  Speaker 14: As a girl, you're like, oh, he's younger and more
• 55:08
  Speaker 14: attractive now.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: They were trying to get the audience.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: That was more attractive?
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: Well, one of the big complaints that people had or
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: they said was a problem was the movie starts out
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: and there's this older guy who is established to be
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: the hero and then the hero dies and he changes
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: his body and his personality like 25 minutes in yeah
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: and they felt like how can anyone really you know
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: it would it would lose.
• 55:37
  Speaker 10: People it well it wouldn't make any sense if you
• 55:38
  Speaker 10: don't know that i mean going completely cold once again
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: it's like you would be what like you don't understand
• 55:44
  Speaker 10: that they do that so the fact that he just
• 55:46
  Speaker 10: comes back and sits up and starts.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Talking and you're like wait So now it's a vampire movie?
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: You've got to go with something else we don't. Some
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: other thing.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: Did that work for you at all?
• 55:56
  Speaker 14: The whole movie was very disorienting.
• 56:00
  Speaker 13: I came into it with an assumption that there were
• 56:02
  Speaker 13: set rules that I just didn't know. So when something happened,
• 56:05
  Speaker 13: I was like, well, clearly I didn't know that was
• 56:08
  Speaker 13: feasible in this universe, but it's something.
• 56:10
  Speaker 14: That is, which is kind of an interesting.
• 56:12
  Speaker 13: I mean, it was a very lawless sort of film
• 56:14
  Speaker 13: as a standalone because everything.
• 56:17
  Speaker 14: Everything.
• 56:17
  Speaker 13: Was constantly changing. The stakes were changing. What was possible
• 56:20
  Speaker 13: and impossible were changing with no real background at all.
• 56:23
  Speaker 13: So it was sort of a surreal viewing experience. Not
• 56:27
  Speaker 13: entirely displeasurable.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: But not an oddity. Not entirely displeasurable.
• 56:35
  Speaker 9: That's what they were going for.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: What were some that you liked? Was there anything that
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: you liked about it? Besides the hot young guy?
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I don't get that. I'm sorry.
• 56:45
  Speaker 12: I like Will Sasso.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Will Sasso.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: Will Sasso.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: The disorderly, orderly Will Sasso?
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:53
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry, when he walked out of the booth that
• 56:55
  Speaker 10: time and we got the whole flowing hair look at him,
• 56:58
  Speaker 10: I was just like, somewhere there's a Whitesnake cover band.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: That's lost its lead singer.
• 57:04
  Speaker 10: He looks way too much like a bad David Coverdale wannabe.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I can't handle it. He's like a British Jesus. I
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 57:12
  Speaker 12: I just thought he looked very Beethoven-ish when he put
• 57:16
  Speaker 12: the outfit on. I thought that's what they were getting
• 57:19
  Speaker 12: at because she was obsessed with classical music and opera.
• 57:23
  Speaker 12: I thought That's what they were getting at, but I
• 57:25
  Speaker 12: feel like that kind of.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I don't get that.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: A fun fact that he's wearing a wig, and the
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: actor absolutely hated the wig.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: So did I.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: Whenever he got hired, his hair was a little bit longer,
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: and at the time, everyone's idea of what a Doctor
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Who should look like is kind of Vic Torian or Edwardian.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: They always wanted him to look all old-fashioned with long hair.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: And Paul McGann had just come back from doing a
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: World War I movie, and his head was shaved, basically.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: And he went up to the producer, and he's like, hey,
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: wouldn't this be great to have a completely different look?
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: You know, we should totally do this. And the producer's freaked,
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: because to their mind, it was impossible for him not
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: to have long hair. So they made him wear that wig,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: absolutely hated it, and they made him wear the outfit i.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Didn't hate the outfit i kind of like the.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: Outfit a hardcore you said vicious punk doctor i think
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: that'd be.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Cool so when 2005 happened and you got that hardcore
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: buzzed haircut leather jacket was.
• 58:32
  Speaker 10: Like yeah i was i don't know i was just
• 58:37
  Speaker 10: not sold on him in general i don't i i
• 58:41
  Speaker 10: i think I don't know.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: He's not engaging, really.
• 58:44
  Speaker 10: The thing is, I was sad when the old guy died,
• 58:47
  Speaker 10: because I was like, I think I could have been
• 58:49
  Speaker 10: on board with that guy. I think he seemed like
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: he would have at least been interesting. He's not going
• 58:53
  Speaker 10: to pull in the young female audience, obviously, but I
• 58:56
  Speaker 10: was like, he had more of the fatherly figure kind
• 58:59
  Speaker 10: of thing, and I guess that's why they wanted to
• 59:01
  Speaker 10: go a whole 180 degrees. We want somebody, which they
• 59:04
  Speaker 10: kept saying younger. I'm like, how old is this guy?
• 59:06
  Speaker 10: He's not really, you're not, he's not like they pulled in.
• 59:08
  Speaker 10: Like now they were cast up until recently. They were
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: casting younger. And like, that made sense. Like this way
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: they were acting like this guy was young where he
• 59:15
  Speaker 10: wasn't really. But again, it's like he wasn't the old
• 59:18
  Speaker 10: guy that the other one was. He's got the wannabe
• 59:20
  Speaker 10: rock star hair. It looked like it was somebody behind
• 59:24
  Speaker 10: a desk going, we need to do something different than
• 59:26
  Speaker 10: what we've been doing.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Come on, let's bring it.
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: Eric Roberts can't pull in all the ladies.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: And he would. Those dreamy green reptile eyes. So, I
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 59:35
  Speaker 10: I think I felt like they were, he, like, maybe
• 59:38
  Speaker 10: some of it was his acting. Maybe some of it
• 59:40
  Speaker 10: was them behind the desk. choosing all this stuff, but
• 59:43
  Speaker 10: I felt like he was very programmed to be different
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: from the last guy, and to me, he just didn't
• 59:48
  Speaker 10: pull you in at all.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Keep in mind, there were four studios saying, do this,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: do that, don't do that.
• 59:54
  Speaker 10: I sympathize with them with this whole thing, and I
• 59:57
  Speaker 10: think it has its good points, but.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: You alluded to the guy that we had on our
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: show from England, and his theory is that Paul McGann
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: was cast because he was the least offensive to all
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: four partners.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: I can see that.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Safe casting, sort of. Sort of. As a longtime fan,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know about the canon when it comes to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: how many Doctors. I think we're up to, what, eight
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: or nine now?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 13: Eleven. Eleven?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: Maybe.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Do they count Peter Cushing? Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: No, they don't. I wondered, because he did.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: One or two movies? Was it one or two?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: He did two.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Two movies, which I saw when I was a kid,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: and I enjoyed them.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: He did one more movie than the Paul McGann, who
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: is considered canon. And it's a long story. Why? why
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: Peter Cushing is not considered canon, but.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 9: They're holding the Death Star against him.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, as a fan, I absolutely love that the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: old Doctor was in it and turned into Paul McGann,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: because to my eyes, that made him legitimate. That kept
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: the line of Kings going, basically. But Peter Cushing is
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: not considered canon because the movies that he did were
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: basically remakes of TV episodes.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Earlier shows, okay.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: And They do the character different. Like, he's actually human.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: He's more like an inventor. Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: His name is Doctor Who. That's his last name. He's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: Mervin Who.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: It's odd that they chose to do that.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: Doctor Hosea Who.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: And it's like, he's never been considered canon. Whenever you
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: see flashbacks of all the guys in the show, he's
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: never in it. But Paul McGann from the 96 movie is. Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Because in Britain they were doing a lot of stuff
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: like that. They would do a TV serial or series,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: and then they'd later make a movie. They did that
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: with Quatermass.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Where all those Quatermasses were originally TV shows, and then
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: they came along and did them as movies at Hammer.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: And borrowed a little bit for Doctor Who. You could
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: see that lineage going on a little further down. But
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: it's just something they did out of habit.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I had to go.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 10: Again, I didn't know when I was watching it, but
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 10: I thought, at least knowing how the regeneration works, I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 10: was like, okay, so they're bringing in the old guy.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, is that actually the old guy?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 10: And then I was surprised it was the original guy
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 10: that they brought back. And then in reading, they didn't
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 10: even want to use him. The studio wanted it to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 10: be Tom Baker. Because they were trying to get American audiences.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 10: That was the only Doctor Who anybody in America knew.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: God, that would have been such a continuity.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: But that would have, yeah, I'm like, how do you
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: do that?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: Philip Segal was enough of a nerd to know that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: it would have blown the continuity of it. For Doctor
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: Who fans, continuity is everything. And I know I struggle
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: with it myself. It's my secret game in my closet.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like, how does this work?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: You would have been a co-fifth Doctor.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've completely reconciled the whole half-human thing in
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: my head. I'm not going to go into it now.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: It's so inside space baseball.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 9: Ben explained it to me. It actually makes sense from
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: a certain perspective.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: You are quite upset about that.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: It's funny. The only thing I'm really nerdy about is
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Doctor Who and Bigfoot. Everything else, I'm kind of like,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: I don't get comic books, I don't get superheroes, cars, nothing.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: But Doctor Who, for whatever reason.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: It got me.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: I'm curious, what did you guys think of the other characters,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: like Grace and the kid? What were your thoughts on them,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: if any? How bored were you?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 12: I didn't find the movie, like Lucy said, completely unenjoyable.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 12: But it's just so forgettable. I don't have an opinion,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 12: good or bad. It's just basically like a filled an
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 12: hour and some minutes.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: Is that bad that it's not completely terrible that you
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: can't enjoy the terribleness of it?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 12: It's so mediocre. We've watched great movies and we've watched
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 12: terrible movies. Everyone usually has a lot to say about
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 12: them either way. But I just like, I don't have
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 12: anything to say about this movie. I have nothing to say.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 12: The lady reminded me of my friend Kim. That's the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 12: only thing that I could think of as I was
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 12: watching this movie. I was like, when she has all
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 12: her makeup on, she really looks like my friend Kim.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 12: That was all I thought. I wasn't like, oh, her
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 12: performance is amazing. Or like, wow, this is really working.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 12: Or this isn't really working at all. It was just like,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 12: that was all I was thinking.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be full?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Jesus, I think so.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: I know you.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 9: You're tired of life, but afraid of dying.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: There was music.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Madam Butterfly. You were there.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: I saw you last night.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 13: It wasn't me.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 14: I don't know who I am, but I know that
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 14: you know me. Please go away.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 10: Please.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: You're my only hope.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: I'll call security.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Do you know who I am? I don't care who
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: you are.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: Leave me alone.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 11: Please, you must help me.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: You're a doctor. Yeah, well.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 14: My oath just expired.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: I didn't like her when I first saw it. and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: as the years have gone on, I've thought more about it.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: Certain aspects of her I really like now, but things like, okay,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: she's a surgeon, and she's on call, so she goes
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: to the opera wearing the big, huge ball gown.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Which is what you wear on opera, apparently.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then she's with this guy who she's living with.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Brian. Brian, yeah, and.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: It's like, apparently, whenever they go out to the opera,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: she's always on call and she always gets called off.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: And this was like the last straw. I've had it
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: with you. Somebody is dying from a gunshot wound and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: she's going to stand me up at the opera one
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: time too many. I'm taking all my stuff out of
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: the house. I'm moving out.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 14: But they're having to call her during this emergency.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: During surgery.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 14: And distract her from the case at hand.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 14: To tell her how displeased I am. Grace is a jerk.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 12: I feel like if you're getting a surgeon, you're either
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 12: on board or you're not.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 12: You can't just change your mind.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 13: Can't have both ways, Brian. I didn't, I, I, in
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 13: terms of Kim, I did find her unappealing. I'm sure
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 13: Kim's lovely. But, but not to the point that it
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 13: was problematic. I mean, I didn't, I wasn't invested in
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 13: anybody doing anything.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: Please, don't, just because I'm a stupid, stupid man, don't
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: feel like you have to hold anything back. If you
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: hate it, just say it, really.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 14: No, I mean, I would have, I would have enjoyed
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 14: it more if I'd hated it.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: I think. See, to me, that's almost more damning.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just bland.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: It's hopelessly pedestrian. And that's why I think, as a fan,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: the things I love about it are the connections to
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: the bigger overall picture. But if you're new and just
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: coming into it, you're not going to know those connections.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: You're not going to care about those connections. And it's
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: going to just completely blow the.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: Lap as well. There are comparable examples. Look at Star Trek,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: the motion picture.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Look at how boring.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 10: They did not know how to bridge that into movies
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 10: until 2.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: They do Wrath of Continence while it's like you're back
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: on the TV show. The people are the same people.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: The situation's there. The humor's there. It worked. This was
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: an example of a reboot where they tried to get
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: a little too smooth.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 9: They didn't try to bring everybody in who'd never heard
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 9: of it. They just said, okay, you'll catch up or
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 9: you'll get it if you like it. We'll do it
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 9: enough where some people liked it in the first place,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 9: so let's just do what we did then and try
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 9: to bring it in.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 11: I think this goes back to There's just a baseline
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 11: of make something good. Don't try to please people. If
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 11: it's good, people will appreciate it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: They will. Producers never think that way.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Ben. This was not good. I love Doctor Who.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 11: I wanted that link between old and new so that
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 11: we can start going back in. I've taken it upon
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 11: myself to go back into older episodes and watch them.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: But it just, it was almost painful. Like, okay, here's
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: my geek TARDIS moment.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 11: I like, you know, you're told and believe things about
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 11: the TARDIS, that there are all these extra rooms and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 11: almost infinite places within the TARDIS. I like knowing that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 11: they're there, but I don't want to see them. This,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: I liked, I like when you see the main room,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 11: maybe you see a little hallway, and that's it. I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 11: don't like seeing... The eye, that was all campy, cheesy stuff.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 11: I didn't like seeing any of that.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 10: See, I like that set at least. I liked seeing it,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 10: but again, I don't have the history.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: The eye, that was actually a holdover from one of
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: the many early scripts. One of the early plots was
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: going to be the eye would be open, and it
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: was going to start bringing in ghosts from San Francisco's past,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: and San Francisco was going to be full of ghosts.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: This is Ghostbusters 2!
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: Awesome!
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: Bernie Hudson! Rick Moranis.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: And Rick Moranis. It's all starting to come together.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: It's a great movie.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: I see this working out. I think that's the problem
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 10: for me is watching it. Again, we mostly do theatrical stuff.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: So trying to do something, again, I'm not hardcore about it.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 10: If it's a movie, we'll work it in. But I
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 10: think with this one, that was almost the kiss of
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 10: death as it trying to be a movie is it
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 10: felt bad. very TV-sized. Which again, you're dealing with something
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: that was a TV show that went on to be
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 10: another TV show. So it maybe would have worked in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 10: some sense had it been written better. But it's just
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 10: like they were trying to do things that... And that's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 10: the other thing. It also felt like it was pieced
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 10: together from stuff other stuff. They were just piecing stuff together.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 10: They get the evil slug alien thing that just felt
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 10: like it was ripped off of a lot of bad
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 10: straight-to-video horror movies. For a second, I thought it was
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 10: going to do body jumping, and I was like, oh,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 10: at least it'll be like The Hidden, because The Hidden's awesome.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 10: And I was like, I kind of was waiting for that,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 10: and then it didn't really do that.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: It's like, if the whole.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: thing of the master wanting to steal the doctor's body.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: Why didn't the snake thing just jump into the doctor's body?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 11: You know, that's one part that my kids loved is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 11: the snake part of it. And that's maybe the cheesiest
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 11: part of the whole thing.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 12: I thought the goo was a little too... jizzy to
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 12: put a specific term on it jizzy is that it's
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 12: no it's.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 10: Space yeah it was a little ectopic again back to our.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 12: Ghostbusters it could have been green or something else or
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 12: purple it didn't have to.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 10: Be like or if nothing else if you're going to
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 10: take it down that perverse road then it's just taken
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 10: from Alien because there's icky goo all over Alien movies
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 10: and it's meant to be perverse that's you know you're
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 10: dealing with gear He is perverse.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of thinking back to the years before 2005
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: and the TV show came back. It's called The Wilderness
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: Years among Doctor Who fans. And it's like.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, the inside geekery.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: It's like we were so wanting Doctor Who, any kind
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: of Doctor Who, to come back.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 12: And.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: For a while there, the Paul McGann movie was called
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: the George Lazenby.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Unfair.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: And because this one pilot movie came out and nothing happened,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: everyone kind of thought, well, that's it. That was our
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: last chance.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: It's the nail in the coffin.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: And so because of that, I would watch it over
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: and over again. trying to love it you know I
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: was trying to make myself love it and I'd find
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: these little bitty moments.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: It's still gonna come back it's still gonna come back
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: it's still gonna work it's still.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: Gonna work yeah so it's to me that's like listening
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: to some of the bad later REM albums or it
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: could be like a Star Wars fan wanting to love
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: Phantom Menace trying to find the good bits.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 10: I really want to know about trading and governments it's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 10: the best sword fight.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 9: Ever I swear they can blockade a whole planet.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 10: With a few ships they can but Thank God we
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 10: have the Imperial Senate or whatever the hell.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: I want to hear more debate.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: So now it's like this odd, you know, thing that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: I just love just because it's so odd because I
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: see it in the context of the bigger overall 50 years.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: And there's just things, again, like I keep coming back
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: to Grace. So much of what she did was ponderous
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: to me. Like, God, like the scene where she's running
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: down the hallway in the ball gown and, you know,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: the girls are kind of out. And it's just... And
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: I was like, you know, that's not the most cleavage
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: that's ever been in Doctor Who. There's a show called
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: Planet of the Fire, Google Image of Kids.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: One of the sad things was, Brian, was that her boyfriend?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Brian.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he basically packed all of his stuff and left,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 9: including the sofa.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: He was always going to leave.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 10: See, Grace, and that was my response. You asked what
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 10: we thought about her, too. That's what I felt like
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 10: as soon as she came on the screen.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: I went, she looks familiar.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 10: And that's what she'd done a ton of TV at
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 10: that time. And that's why, maybe why it just started
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 10: to feel more and more TV-like. Because then she's, like,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 10: running around and she's, like, most of the really bad
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 10: lines come from her. Like, she's the, finally meet a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 10: guy and he's from another planet. I'm like, is that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 10: a holdover from Starman or Power of the Duck?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Take your pick.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 12: I was so confused when she said that because I'm like, wait,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 12: you were trying to get him to the hospital because
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 12: you thought he was crazy? And now he's, like, the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 12: guy for you?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: From another, yeah. Yeah, like, she wanted nothing to do
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: with him. And then she was like, kiss me again.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, She seems.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: To be a little bit dense because she's found out
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 9: that he actually has two hearts and walked through a
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: plate glass window. That buys him a little bit of,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 9: you know, I'm from another.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Planet, juice, I would think. Suspend disbelief a little bit.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 12: It's not that I didn't buy her, like, as an actress.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 12: It's just I didn't buy her as a surgeon.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 9: She would have never made it through medical school at
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 9: this rate.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 12: Like, you maybe might get a job at, like, Pottery Barn?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: Probably didn't go through metal. Fox was hoping that this
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: would be a big hit, and you can kind of
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: see they were like, hey, a red-headed doctor, Dana Scully
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: X Falls, that's real big, let's make her a red-headed doctor.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 9: We're filming in Canada?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: What the hell?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: She is no Dana Scully. Sorry, I won't put up
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: The producer, he was saying that with all these different
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: entities and partners pulling at him every way, it Again,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: it got to the point where he couldn't be creative.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: He was a referee more than anything. And it just, like,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: the ending, I hate the ending. And it's because it
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: was the one ending that all four could live with
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: and could agree with. The ending sucks because if you
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: can just go back in time and save everybody, why
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: doesn't he do that every episode?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be every episode.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 10: At least that final battle scene is the most entertaining
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 10: because Eric Roberts is chewing up the scenery.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's everything before.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 10: That middle section is kind of grueling to me. The
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 10: Tom and Claude party. Before that, that is the most
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 10: low stakes motorcycle chase I've ever seen.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: He drives between two trucks. That was the most action.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: He jumped over the curb once. I was like, shit,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: this is crazy.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: Fans in Britain hated that because they said they were
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: making an American action movie. You can see it. They
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: hate that.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 10: It's just like Chips. But yeah, it was like the
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 10: budget of a Chips episode.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: I think one of the biggest problems, too, is something
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: that American fans always love about the old show is
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: because it was so British. There was this Britishness about it.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: And there was actually a lot more humor in this script.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: more British-style humor that was taken out because Fox thought
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: it wasn't funny or it was cheesy. You know the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: point where the motorcycle cop, they're trying to get the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: keys from the motorcycle, and he takes the gun, he
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: points it at himself, which I kind of like because
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: that was different from anything you'd see on A-Team or MacGyver.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: He's like, I'm threatening to kill myself if you don't
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: give me this. Like, he's saying, give me the keys.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: And the cop's like, no. And then they cut this
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: scene where it pans back. And there's this big crowd
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: of onlookers. And they go, give him the keys. Like
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: the scene in Holy Grail where he goes to get
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: on with it. And the studio made him cut it
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: out because they thought it was too silly.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Stuff like that would have been great. More of that
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: would have made a huge difference.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 10: That was one of many times I said what at
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 10: least probably everyone in the American audience was saying is
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 10: you don't take candy from strangers.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Then I went back and checked. I was like, there's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: got to be backstory there. Of course it is.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 10: It's referenced to the old second season or something. It
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 10: was years and years ago. They're referencing the candy thing.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: That was a Tom Baker thing.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 10: I thought even the second Doctor did it. I thought
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 10: it was a carryover from a couple, but it was
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 10: from 20 years ago. It was mainly Tom Baker with
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 10: the scarf.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: Which is one of those aspects that made me fall
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: in love with the show. It's like he would go,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: he would meet somebody new, and rather than be like,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: a federation red shirt and try to shoot them he
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: would offer him candy say hi i'm the doctor you
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: want a piece of candy.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 10: That's where this version dropped the ball though because you're
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 10: sitting at home going i don't know what the hell
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 10: that means like why like there's got to be if
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 10: you're gonna you know find that way to sort of
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 10: piece it together and bridge the old fans you know
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 10: into this new thing you also got to do it
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 10: from the aspect of okay and you've got people coming
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 10: in cold and don't know what they're doing so i
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: don't know there's just there's a several of those things
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 10: that were just like totally fell flat for people that
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 10: didn't know what they were doing, which, again, they were
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 10: trying to bring in new people.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: So you can't really do that.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, Dave, you're a big Universal Monster fan. What did
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: you think of the Frankenstein bit?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember the Frankenstein bit.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: When he wakes up.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I was skipping around a bit.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: He was regenerating. Will Sasso was watching Frankenstein on TV.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: I thought, yeah. Clever. Once again, that's Universal getting their marketing.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: That was something that they could actually afford.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: We have the rights to that.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: It's free.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: They've never shied away from merchandising those aspects. That's the thing.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: The movie's odd in that it's 1996, yet it feels
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: like 1986. I'm looking at X-Files being produced at the
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: same time. It's been on for a few years. I'm
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: seeing a level of production that I'm not seeing in
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: this film. It's all because of that mishmash approach Like
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: I said, if there had been more of that stuff,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: if there had been more self-consciousness throughout the whole thing
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: with the humor and the little homages, I would have
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: enjoyed it much more. And I think American audiences would
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: have just found it quirky and maybe more amusing. But
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: they go with that safe, weird path.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: And it just makes it.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: That leads to a mess.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 11: But who, okay, this is the question I'm asking. A
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 11: pilot you can show in an hour after another show
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 11: that's on TV. And I might say, oh, I've heard
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 11: of Doctor Who. Oh, they're restarting it. I'll watch it
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 11: after X-Files. Would have been a perfect show. But I'm
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 11: not going to sit down for a two-hour show. of
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 11: something I've never seen.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Well, they were trying to, I guess, multi-market it. It
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: got theatrical release, I think, some places. I read that somewhere. But,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: you know, I heard it actually went over fairly well
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: in some markets, but not in the U.S.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. In England,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: they really liked it.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: Well, again, Greg, I think the problem was they were
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: trying to get a series made. They were trying to
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: do a straight pilot with the series, and no TV
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: studio wanted to do it. So the only place that
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: would buy it was the Fox Movie of the Week department.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: So they were trying to make it a pilot. Any
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: way they could. And again, they were trying to mishmash
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: it into something that it wasn't. And it's funny. All
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: the things that you guys are saying are reasons why
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: it failed. They're very good reasons. At the time, they
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: blamed the failure in America because it was being shown
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: opposite the episode of Roseanne where Dan has a heart
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: attack and dies. And they said, that's why nobody.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: I think I was on that then.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 9: Dan dies?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: I was watching the Doctor Who. That was too far
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: into Roseanne.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: Never mind. Yeah, that was like the part of Roseanne
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: that everybody had already stopped watching.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, including me.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: But that was the reason why they gave to the
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: British fans who were like, but it did 10 million
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: viewers here. Why aren't you making a series? And the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: reason that the BBC kept going back to it was, well,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: there was this popular sitcom on. It was a pivotal episode.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: Nobody in America watched it, so the Fox studio.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: Didn't want to do it. That kind of intentional... Cross-programming
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: goes on.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: If there is no love from studio for a product,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: they will sink it like that. They do it in
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: movies all the time now. And on television, I'm sure
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: it's a way of life. I've seen that happen to
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of pilots and things. Let's put it on
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: opposite the most powerful powerhouse thing on TV. Well, you
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: see it fail because it's like, no, they didn't want
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: to go on. They didn't want to keep spending the money.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: They didn't have the confidence.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: With Firefly.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. It was on against the World Series.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Let's move it to a worse spot.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Torpedoed Firefly.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: So it goes on. They did it with Freaks and
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Geeks as well.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 13: Yep.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: They would put it on against Good Things.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: And they kept moving it.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 11: Then they put it to ABC Family. I'm like, this
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 11: is the best show on TV.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 12: It is.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: I can't even find it.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: It just gets lost.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 10: Okay, I have a question for, I guess, everybody. I guess, hopefully,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 10: you'll have a little more insight, Ben. Is there a
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 10: reason she becomes possessed all of a sudden?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: What the hell is that?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: Well, in the ambulance, he kind of throws up goo
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: at him. and a little bit gets on her wrist.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 14: But is that a thing in the series? Is that
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 14: something that was established?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 10: And why did it take 45 minutes of the actual movie,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 10: which was like a day?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: I guess it was because it was just a little
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: bit and it was working its way up. Because those
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: other guys were covered in it.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 13: See, that's a moment where I gave it undue credit
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 13: because I just assumed that it was something within the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 13: mythology of the series that the Master has the capability of.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: That at any key moment you could turn evil for
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: no good reason. Except it fits the plot right here
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: and now.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: This is where it needs to happen.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 12: I don't understand why this movie was set three years
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 12: in the future. Like, we're going to do a movie
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 12: about the future. 19 well I was.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 10: Going to make sure is the only because I forgot
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 10: that it was 96 as like I guess they should
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 10: it was coming out around that time and I went
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 10: back and look I'm like no they know somebody were.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Guessing we were going to get the 99 so I.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Had seen strange days yeah and they just all do
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: that will make it for.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: You all stealing from other stuff is a lot of
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: that they completely.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: Missed the whole y2k paranoia that was nowhere this.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah where was the news going.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: On I know I mean It is a show about time.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: It is a moment in time to turn a millennium.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 12: But I feel like they just didn't work that in
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 12: enough for it to be important. I mean, the clock
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 12: and things like that, I understand. But at the same time...
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 12: that clock could have been made in 1996. Just the same,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 12: you know?
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: That was the most lame New Year's party.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 10: Do people do costume New Year's parties? That felt forced, too.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 12: I actually kind of liked that bit. I thought it
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 12: was fun.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 12: With Will Sesso just dancing around.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: Again, well, Sasso's a dork, so that was entertaining.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: Again, this is me trying to find little things that
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: I liked about it.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: I will love this.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: I will.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: I swear I'll love this.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: I love Nixon, and I love this movie.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: They're like, there's a scene at the party when he's
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: going to turn on the clock, and they can't get
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: the clock going, and the guy turns around and he
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: looks up at these techs, and the one is just
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: shrugging his shoulders. I mean, I love how it was
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: this little throwaway moment, and Something that wasn't part of
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: the old show that they did in this movie and
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: they've never done since, they kind of do this thing
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: where because he's a time traveler, whenever he meets you,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: he can kind of see a little bit into your
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: future and a little bit in the past. He doesn't
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: see your whole life story. He just gets a bit
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: of the now.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: In a weird clairvoyant kind of way? Yeah, so every time.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: He meets someone, he'll do that whole thing. Oh, don't
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: answer the second question on your phone. Answer the third.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: They never did that in the old show. They never
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: did it in the new show. I kind of like that.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 10: It could be cool, but again, that's one that becomes confusing.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 10: Because at that point, the one where he gets super specific,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 10: I'm like, So are we to think that in some
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 10: past travel, he's run into this guy and.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: He will actually, it feels like that.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 10: Like he knows who he is because he's met him
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 10: in the future and he knows who he's going to be.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 10: And then because of that, but obviously that's not the case.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 14: He's just like, yeah, he doesn't need to tell him.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: He's just psychic. It's equally as weird.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: He was going to take a test in like a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: week or so. So he can kind of see a
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: little bit, a little bit back. But again, they don't
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: explain it. This is me thinking about it in my
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: head since 96. Oh, that must mean, you know.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: That totally makes sense.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: Again, this is me in my closet clutching my dog.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: He's like, I will love this.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: I will love this.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: He's furiously polishing turds.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Shine, damn you, shine.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 10: Oh, Lord.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's great.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 10: I did want to ask if you felt this was
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 10: very specific.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: I thought it was weird.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 10: Again, what little I know of the run of the series,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 10: no sonic screwdriver, pretty.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: Much the whole movie.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 10: Do you feel like that was a conscious choice because
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 10: people weren't going to know what that was and they
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 10: wanted to leave it out of the loop until this
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 10: got picked up and then he's like, oh, I've got
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 10: it back.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Now I can use it every five minutes.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: Around 1982... the producer who was way into stage shows
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: and stuff and kind of ruined the show for a
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: lot of people.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 12: Jerk.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: He decided he didn't like the Sonic screwdriver anymore. He
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: thought it became a magic wand, get out of jail
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: free card.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: So he had an episode where some lizard alien shot
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: it and blew it up.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 13: And.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: from then on out he never he he never had
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: it he never went down to space lows and bought
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: another one he never.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 9: Made a laser hammer but nothing yeah and so he
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 9: just never he just never really had it so this
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 9: was the first time we had actually seen.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 10: It reappeared 1980 rebooting the sonic but again why reboot
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 10: it and not use it the entire movie like he
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 10: locks the thing with it which by the way didn't
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 10: work so it's like at that point they never use
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 10: it again the entire rest of the movie.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: Well it Nowadays, it's become a magic wand to all.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: It's basically like an iPhone, and it has all these apps,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: and it can do everything. But then it was still
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: kind of.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Still updating when he said excruciating.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: So, you know, like, he didn't have his keys, he
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: didn't have his yo-yo, he didn't have his pocket watch,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: and he didn't have his screwdriver. They were all in
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: the bag that the kid had. So he was working
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: without it, basically.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: But again, do you think that was on purpose?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: I think... They were trying to allude to the Tom
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: Baker Doctor as much as possible, because that's the one
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: that the Americans knew, and that's the one that the
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: producer really, really loved. So I think they were going
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: to bring back all that stuff if it had gone
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: to a series.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 10: But yeah, it just seemed very specific that everything that
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 10: he's known for, we're not going to give him, because
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 10: you guys don't know what that is anyway.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: So it felt very specific.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: But, you know, we're going to show it because we
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: really want the old fans to love it, stay with us,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: bring in the numbers, you know, so.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: But a long time ago I've learned to just give
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: in to its little quirks and charms that I as
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: a fan can enjoy.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: But I was just really curious because this is the
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: 50th year. It started in 63. It went solid for
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: about 25, 26 years and then it had this long
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: hiatus with a one year reprieve in 96. And now
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: it's come back in 2005. It's bigger than it's ever been.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: So That's why I thought it would be interesting for
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: people who had never seen it to see something that
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: was made specifically to bring in new fans. And you
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: guys are kind of justifying what happened.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 9: Still unsuccessful.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: I will say that while.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 13: The movie did not capture my attention, this conversation has,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 13: so I am interested in exploring it further.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: I have several DVDs and books.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: He's got some literature he'd like to share.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: I think a.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 12: Lot of it's on Netflix still, right?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. patchy but yeah oh well the new show yeah.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 10: Would you say the 2005 is for people who are
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 10: like most people here and haven't seen it would you
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 10: say don't go back and watch the old stuff just
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 10: start at 2005.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 11: Start at 2005 as long as you know that it's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 11: 2005 right because there are it's that i know it
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 11: only sounds like a little while ago but it's already.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: A little bit dated It doesn't take long anymore.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: It is different. But again, the writing is so much better.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: The characters are so much better. Actually, this would be
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: interesting for you guys to watch the pilot of the
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: 2005 and compare it to this.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 9: Because they're both trying to do the same thing.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: The 2005 one works, and they do everything right. For
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: people listening, it's called Rose. it's 2005 and uh they
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: just oh they just introduce it right they take their
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: time it's through the eyes of the companion you don't
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: get 50 years of backstory in the first two minutes
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: they don't even do backstory until halfway through that first
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: year and even then it's just mentions because basically the
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: thing that makes the show so good is it's just
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: this wacky guy in a phone booth going through space
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: usually with a pretty girl and uh That sounds so sexy.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: I think I rented that one.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: Like back in the old field show, that was their thinking.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: It was like, we need to have a pretty girl
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: there to get all the dads watching.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 10: That's, that's what I was going to ask you is like,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 10: why is it within the story? Cause it's like, I
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 10: understand from the programming standpoint, we don't want this old
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 10: dude by himself.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: Like let's have a girl in there too.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: We got it.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 10: Plus it, it opens up the demographic of now it's
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 10: especially now it's funny how much this works now that,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 10: a huge portion of this new fan base is girls.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 10: So it's like, regardless of whether the girl's there, now
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 10: it also helps that the doctors are cute guys.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I don't know.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 10: To me, it seemed very structured from the studio standpoint,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 10: but what is the story for the actual story itself?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you something. When Grace and the doctor kiss,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: that was hugely controversial in fan circles because... Up until
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: that point, it had always been an old guy and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: a pretty girl wearing a miniskirt, usually. And they never
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: even hugged. They never touched because the BBC was afraid
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: of it. Coming off as this old perv flying through space.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Coming off like it was.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: With a hot girl in a miniskirt. Here's some candy.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Get into my phone? You've got that whole.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: So over 26 years, they never alluded to the doctor
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: being sexual at all. He was always... completely chased. It
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: never got anywhere near there.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: And then America got in there.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: So in 96, they were trying to appeal to a
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: new fan base. Let's make it romantic for the people
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: who haven't seen it.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 10: Which actually made sense. It seems weird that that never
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 10: happened before.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, the doctors.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: But the point is, people in Britain flip that.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can see that for old fans.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: Nobody here mentioned it. Nobody here said it was weird
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: that he and Grace kissed. Because... It's not a big deal.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: In Britain, it's always the possibility that something might happen eventually.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, look at my favorite British show is The Avengers.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, Diana Rigg. And look at Diana Rigg. And during
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: the entire run, there was always a little tension, a
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: little tension.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Let's allude to this for 26 years.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: Until the last show. And I think that was very
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: appealing for the British audience. It was far sexier.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 9: From a story perspective, I mean, he's from a more
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 9: advanced species, so it'd be like the doctor and his
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 9: very attractive chimp are going to make out.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Hey, there's some hot chips.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's not.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: But lipstick on a chimp?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: In a weird way, you guys were saying how now,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: you know, girls really like the show. And in those
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: wilderness years or in the 80s, it was pretty much just.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Boys were the only ones who liked it.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, total little sausage business.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: I could always spot them.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: And in a weird way, it was always... certain type
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: of very introverted, maybe not.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Beaks.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you know.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: And so they, in a way, really liked that the
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: Doctor wasn't sexual because they weren't having any sex.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: It was science fiction to them.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: He had a cool vehicle. He had a cool vehicle
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: and he had a girl who was a friend of his.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: So they could hope that one day they would be
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: friends with a hot girl. He knew a girl.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: He could go to parties and it looked like he
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: was with a girl.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: There wasn't any pressure to get all sexy. So now
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: it's like one of the great triumphs is that they
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: do play up the... the relationship more, and girls do
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: like it. And that sounds so sexist to say it's
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: girls as boys. It's for everyone.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: It works better now, yeah.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: Well, okay.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 11: The episodes that I've seen of the older, the females
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 11: aren't very savvy.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 11: And in the new ones, especially from after Rose, all
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 11: of them are super smart, or capable, or.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: The doctor's evil, almost.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 9: Extremely capable.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 11: And it's very empowering for the females, I think, or
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 11: for the girls. I think they've done a good job
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 11: of recognizing that the companion is not just a companion.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 11: He needs them more than they need him.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: You know how I was saying with this movie, I'll
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: pick and choose to find moments that I can latch
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: on to and love? For female fans of the old show,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: they have to pick and choose... moments of the females
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: on there where they can choose to look. Because, by
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: and large, they were written to be mini-skirt-wearing screamers who were, boy,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: that sounds great, who could be ditzy, could be a
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: little out, and it's just, so they have to look
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: for these moments that are few and far between where
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: the girls are actually really doing something good.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 9: Instead of just potential hostages.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny, it's like, One of the cliches of
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: the old show is whenever they went to an alien planet,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: it was in a quarry. Because they had a quarry.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: And it was in Britain, so it was always cold.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: The girls always had to wear miniskirts. So the actresses
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: at conventions are always telling stories about how, oh, my knickers,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: my knees were blue because I had to wear the miniskirt,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: and everyone else was wearing coats, and I'm there, but.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting how in this movie, Grace
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: is actually all bundled up. That's the first time you
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: ever see a girl on Doctor Who all bundled up.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: And that's the one who actually gets to kiss him.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: He wasn't into all the mini skirts and the sexy hey, hey, hey.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: He liked.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: hey, you're warm. You're a little bit smarter than all
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: those other girls.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: Come here.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: Have some candy.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: So my question though is, and I'm still trying.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 10: To figure this out, like from a legit doctor who standpoint,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 10: like why is it that they have to have a companion?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 10: And that's my question is, if it's never been romantic
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 10: up to this point, why has it always been a girl?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 10: Why couldn't... Well, I know in the beginning they were
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 10: still making up their mind, but as they got into
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 10: it and they made it a thing, why was it
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 10: always a girl if it was not going to be romantic?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 10: Or even if it was, can't he pick a guy?
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 10: Who are we to know?
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: The very first doctor was an old, white-haired guy in
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: his late 50s, and he seemed to be ancient. And
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: the first girl was his granddaughter, basically. And the first
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: companions was a man and a woman who were school teachers.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: And throughout the first six years, it kind of stayed
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: where the Doctor is this older guy, and the companions
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: were always a male and a female. It was always
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: two of them, pretty much. When it got to be
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: in the 70s, the Doctors kept getting a little bit younger,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: and they kind of streamlined the show to where the
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: companion was just a girl. And the thinking was... The
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: kids are going to watch it because they like all
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: the crazy monsters. The moms are going to watch it
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: because they like the kooky, sexy doctor. And the dads
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: are going to watch it before the football scores come
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: on because there's a mini-skirting girl there. So it was
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: kind of like, it kind of became the formula.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 10: See, I get it from the marketing standpoint, from their
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 10: standpoint behind the scenes. But how do you then work
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 10: that into the show? Number one, why does he always
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 10: have to have somebody with him?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: And number two, why.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 10: Is it always a young, attractive girl? It's convenient to
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 10: the screenwriter is what you're saying. I understand it as
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 10: a formula. I'm trying to put it in the context.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: He's lonely. He's lived for so long and he's just lonely.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 9: And he also tends to spin out of control if
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 9: he doesn't have somebody to ground him.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. But there's never been a reason why it
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: has to be a young, attractive girl. In the show,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: like in the mythology of the show, it just seems
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: to always happen that way.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: See, it doesn't even make sense. Like in a quality
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: show like Voyagers. Okay, go Google that, kids, because nobody
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: knows that reference.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: How come every time on Knight Rider, every town that
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: Michael Knight pulled into, there was always some hot, sexy,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: available girl there?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: Because Michael's a slut. And every town he goes to,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: he sleeps with some girl.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 9: Kids seats go all the way back.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: I won't put punches on Michael Knight either.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 12: On Supernatural, every girl who has a ghost problem is
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 12: some hot babe.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where's grandma with a ghost problem? I'll call out
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: everybody for this bullshit. Those are just the ones I
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: care about.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 12: They're like, oh, I saw this in the paper. That
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 12: a hot girl.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: Has a ghost problem. On Knight Rider, slutty chicks like firebirds.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: That's true, but the ones that he had.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 10: They weren't the big-haired girls that probably really liked Firebird.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: You know, in the new show, there was a companion
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: named Donna that at first people didn't think they were
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: going to like because she was not the stereotypical hot,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: teeny little teenager.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: She was brassy.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: She was an older woman. She was a little curvy.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: She had some meat on her bones, you know, and
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: She was just the best thing that had happened in
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: that show in a long time. And it kind of
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: broke the mold in a weird way. But then they
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: kind of went back to the mold because... hey, they
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: need the ratings.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Ratings are ratings.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 9: What I liked about her was she would call him
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 9: on bullshit.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: She wouldn't just, oh, okay, Doctor.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: She didn't put him up on a pedestal.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: I'm really interested for you guys to see. the first
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: episode of the new series compared to the movie i've
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: seen the first episode oh you did oh do you
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: remember much from.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 12: It um yeah where rose is like at a mall
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 12: or someplace and then all these mannequins come after and
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 12: she thinks they're like automated and then he saves her
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 12: and it's been a couple of years since i've watched
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 12: it but um i.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: Mean did it feel mediocre like this did or.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 12: No, I mean, I liked it. I watched, like, I
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 12: think the first season of the 2005. But, I mean,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 12: I don't remember much of it. But, I don't know.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 12: I mean, it almost, like, the movie kind of stands alone.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 12: I know it's the same thing and it's, like, a continuation.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 12: But all I have, like, my only opinion of Doctor Who, like,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 12: I've not seen any of the David Tennant ones or, like,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 12: the most recent ones. So it's just, like, I just
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 12: know it as that. So it feels just different.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 12: I mean, if I've watched all of them and I
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 12: know that there's a regeneration process and I'm used to
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 12: the concept of there being multiple doctors, then I could
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 12: piece it together but have this and then a few
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 12: episodes of the first 2005 reboot. So it just doesn't really...
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 12: It's like non sequitur.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: That's cool. I mean, it's not for everyone. You're not
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: even saying that you dislike it. It's just... I'm just
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: amazed that people watch it now, I think, more than anything.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: I really, really am. And as a closeted fan from
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: the 80s, it's ponderous to me that it's popular.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: It's a different culture now, though.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 10: I mean, it is not only okay to be geeky,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 10: it is encouraged by.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: Everyone around you.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: Remember the pain.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: I know, it's different. I'm an old veteran. I know
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. I walked into, you know, FYE the
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: other day, and there's a whole section called Get Your
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: Geek On. That's disturbing.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: And you felt at home, and then you felt shame.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, no. I want to be weird.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 11: So, like I said, in the last year, I've been
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 11: consumed by Doctor Who, I guess is the right way
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 11: to put it, with my children. And so, to me,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 11: everything is, and you start to know. Okay, like, I'll
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 11: give you the similar situation. Like, when you are finally
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 11: engaged and going to get married, it's like all of
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 11: a sudden you start noticing that there are all of
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 11: these bridal magazines and a bridal show and like everything
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 11: is like oh this is a whole world that exists
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 11: I was blind to that before I was ever engaged
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 11: same thing with this I was blind to.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: Doctor Who really until he was like no you have
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: to watch.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: It until you married him and it was right and it.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 11: Was everywhere it was everywhere and then like a few
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 11: weeks ago I walk into Hot Topic because my daughter
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 11: has said she's now 10 and said I want to
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 11: go in there because they said there's something there so
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 11: we go.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: In and There's a whole section of it. Yes, there's
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: a section of it.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 11: But at the same time, we take our kids out
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 11: for Halloween, both of them dressed up as Doctor Who characters.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 11: And very well, like a Doctor Who fan would instantly go, yes,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 11: that's a Doctor Who.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: They were adorable, by the way. But they, one person.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: We went trick-or-treating three times. One person knew who they were.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 10: The problem was they didn't have a piece of plastic
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 10: that said Doctor Who on their chest like they're supposed to.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: One person thought he was Pee Wee Herman.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: This was Matt Smith, right? He's kind of Pee Wee Herman-like. Again,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: it's nerd cool now. It's okay.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: You know, you just made me think of something. The
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: whole thing, one of the character traits of Matt Smith
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: is he wears a bow tie and the first year
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: that he was on, his companion, the hot girl in
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: the miniskirt with him, was giving him hell because he
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: was wearing a bow tie constantly. And, you know, it's like,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: now you see this resurgence of bow ties in geek
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: hipster culture. And not that long ago, bow ties were, like,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: in this 96 movie, the wacky professor who was awkward,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: he's wearing a bow tie because it's a symbol of
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: being uncool.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 12: And yet, It's hard to tie a bow tie.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: Well, hey, when the 96 movie came out, you never
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: saw t-shirts that said, Cravats are cool. It just didn't work, man.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: It just didn't work.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: Like I said, it's penetrated a lot of culture.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: That's going to be the next movie meltdown show. Cravats
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: are cool.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 12: I feel like maybe one of the reasons that I've
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 12: never gotten super into Doctor Who is because it's so polarizing.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 12: You're either a super fan or you hate it. And
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 12: I just feel like I can't commit to it. So
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 12: I'm just like, eh.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: I completely understand. There's 50 years of this crap you've
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: got to deal with.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: See, that's my thing. It's too much of an undertaking.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 10: I don't want to get started because I know it's
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 10: an avalanche of stuff you need to catch up on.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 12: I wonder, we have to look this up on the
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 12: internet at one point, how many combined hours are there?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 12: Like how long, if you wanted to watch every Doctor
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 12: Who episode and movie that's ever been made, How many
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 12: hours would you have to end this?
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 14: How many years of your life?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 10: It depends on how geeky you want to go with it,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 10: because some nerds listen to old audio.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: Find a calculator, I can tell you.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: 1,587.3.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 9: Well, I think there have been.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 11: Like, what is it, 80 episodes of the new season,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 11: of the new Doctor Who?
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: So it's, it's a lot. I mean, we're, we're talking.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 12: You've at least spent like an entire year of your life.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: It's been a, it's been an entire year for me.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 12: I mean, I mean like, like, nonstop. Like an actual.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 14: Like hour for hour.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: My job is watching Dr.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: Who.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Get up in the morning.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: I also wouldn't recommend watching the old show first. I,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: I really think the best thing to do is if
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: you're at all, it should start with that 2005 series
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: because it is a much better introduction and the characters
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: are so much better.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 11: Here's a, Well, how about this? Since I know, I'll
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 11: give this. For Marlena, since you watched it and you're like, eh,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 11: jump to season three. Oh, I was going to say Blink.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 10: I've heard Blink from multiple people.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: That's an entry point.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: It's not even a Doctor Who episode. It sort of is.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: It's just well written.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's well written. Have you seen it?
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 10: No, but I've heard that from several people. Like, you
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 10: can just watch this one-off not knowing anything. If anything
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 10: is going to win you over, it's.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: Going to be Blink.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 12: Well, I think David Tennant's kind of cute. Everyone's like,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 12: if you.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: I really like David Tennant. That's the thing.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 10: And I haven't gotten into this, but just as I've
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 10: seen interviews with him, he's what makes that Fright Night
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 10: movie so damn good.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: He has so much fun with that character.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: David Tennant kind of became the Tom Baker of the
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: new show. Yeah, what you're saying is right. It's in
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: the third series. It's called Blink. And it was actually
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: written to be a show where the Doctor didn't show
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: up much because they were doing so much filming, they
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: needed more of a standalone. So he's hardly in it.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: But it's easily one of the best ones that they
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: ever did. And not because he's hardly in it. It's
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: good because it's so well written. And the actress they
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: have as the lead in it is really good. Carey Mulligan?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: Carey Mulligan. Before she became Carey Mulligan, she was the.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: Lead in it.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: She's cute. I mean, just Plays a great, cute character. Yeah,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: ten minutes after that show aired, the internet was like,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: make her the new companion.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 12: So it's like, sorry, I'm here for showtime.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 13: So since the regeneration mechanism is in place, can you
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 13: kind of jump in anywhere? I'm still a little confused
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 13: as to how all this works.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 10: I would say the start of a new person, I guess,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 10: is a new entry point each time.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 14: I guess that's what I'm asking.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 13: And how long are the companions there? Because they really
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 13: got rid of Grace, it seems like, if they were
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 13: planning on this to.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 14: Be a series.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of was thinking she was going to be.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 14: She was like, nah. And he's like, okay, that's cool.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: This isn't going to get picked up. Never mind.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: The idea was if it became a series, he was
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: going to go back.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: I kind of thought that's where they were going to go.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 11: You could almost, at the start of the Matt Smith years,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 11: you could start from there.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: That's a pretty good start.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 11: That whole season is a story in and of itself.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 11: It's almost like a book, a chapter, like a book
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 11: that you can go, okay, this is the new book
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 11: of this series, and you can watch it, and they're
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 11: going to tell you. In fact, at each episode, as
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 11: they get into it, they even tell you, walk you through,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 11: this is who I am, this is what's happening, here
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 11: you go.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: As someone who had never seen it, and you watched
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: this 96 movie.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: Did the regeneration thing, did it make sense to you?
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: Did you understand what was going on?
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 14: I just felt like I was always sort of playing catch-up.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 13: I was always five steps behind, and then I was like, oh, well,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 13: I guess this is what I just watched.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: Because the whole idea of regeneration was one of the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: best ideas they ever had, because.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Again, it was a practical idea.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: Okay, I was saying how the first doctor was this
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: old man, basically. And he was sick. And he had
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: trouble remembering his lines. I can't remember what the name
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: of the disease was. But he was in it for
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: about three years. And towards the end, it just had
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: gotten really, really bad. But the ratings were still good.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: Britain loved it. So they were going to replace him.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: And The thing that you think they would have done
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: is they would have found someone who looked just like Tim,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: dressed him up in the same clothes.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 14: The part of the doctor is.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: Now being played. Well, now being played.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah. And instead, they kind of had this idea
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: of he's an alien, so maybe when he dies, he
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: gets a whole new body.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: They're kind of reaching at this point. So, when he dies.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 10: So.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: They had this episode where... he kept saying how his
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: body was getting a bit thin and you know he's
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: like oh this old body is wearing out and at
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: the very end he gets real kind of sick and
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: frail and he falls over there's this flash of light
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: and he becomes a completely different person has a different
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: personality and It was brilliant because the new actor didn't
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: have to play it like the old one. He could
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: put his own spin on it. And the idea was
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: it's still the same man, still the same memory, still
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: the same personality, but because all of his cells got
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: re-energized and rearranged, it messes up his psyche a little bit.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: Different things float to the top. Interesting. So each time
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: it happens... you get a completely new actor, a completely
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: new take on the part. It's still the same guy,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: just different facets of his personality come out. And in
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: a way, now, whenever a lead actor is going to
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: leave a show, people are like, no, we don't want
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: him to go, we don't want him to go. This
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: is the one show where people are like.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see who the next guy is. What's next?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: People love it. And lately, they recently announced that Matt
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: Smith is leaving. They got a new guy coming in.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: I think can't wait to see the new guy.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's been sort of a girl fan backlash.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's not young and cute.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: He's an older guy, so I've watched some pretty funny
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: YouTube videos where the girl fans are watching the big reveal.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: And they're like, he's old!
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: No!
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: They're shrieking at the screen. It's a good actor.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 12: Does the companion change? Did Rose carry on to David Tennant?
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: She was on for two years. She was in the
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: first year with David Tennant. And in the old show...
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: what happened when an actress got tired or their contract
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: ran out, they would get married. Because they were married,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: they could no longer go on space travels.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: Wow, this is an old.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: Show.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: One of the funniest things about the new show is
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: the companion for Matt Smith, his first one, at the
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: end of that first year, she got married, but her
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: and her husband went on with him. And I was like,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: that's so funny. It's so inside funny. It's so great.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: But usually they find reasons for him to leave. A
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: couple of them get tired of all the violence. Some
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: just don't want to do it anymore. But it's always
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: interesting when they leave.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: That's kind of another simile to the Avengers, because Steed
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: always had a female companion. I think they ended up
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: going through three during the run of that show, Diana
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: being the most popular.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, that at least there's somebody.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 10: in the story programming okay this is your maybe they
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 10: want a female operative for you know those kind of
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 10: missions i mean again that makes sense it's just it's
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 10: funny that this always happens this way and yet i
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 10: guess they've never really addressed it within the story.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: And it's funny because it's one reason why i like
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: doctor who and that the show completely changes every two
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: or three years yeah like everyone playing the the elites
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: are completely different it's not like a Star Trek, where
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: you got all this continuity, but everyone has to wear
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: the same uniforms, and it kind of has to... Like,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: when they redid the J.J. Abrams movie, people were so upset,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: because they were recasting Captain Kirk, and you can't do that.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: I was used to it, because on Doctor Who, every
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: three or four years, everything's different. Even the people running
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: the show are different, and it's going to happen here now,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: coming up soon. They're going to have a whole new Doctor,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: and I can't wait. It's completely different, and.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: Okay, I'm sold.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 10: I mean, as off as this movie was, it hasn't
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 10: put me off of the whole idea. I would still
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 10: like to at least go into the new ones. I've
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 10: heard good things about all three of the guys who
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 10: have been the Doctor since they rebooted it. So, yeah,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 10: this movie didn't kill it for me. Like, I'm still
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 10: interested in the idea of it.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: I just think this movie had a lot of problems.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: In terms of this movie being a pilot, Did you
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: watch this and think, I kind of want to see
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: where this goes. I want to see where this library
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: in space goes.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 10: Like I'm saying, that little campy part at the end
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 10: was fun, but even then, I don't know that I
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 10: would tune in every week.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: It might be one of those, if I'm home, I'll
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: turn it on, whatever.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 10: But midway in, there's no way I would have come
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 10: back for the bad motorcycle chase show.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: It felt like the.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 12: Story ended, you know? I wasn't like, oh, what's going
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 12: to happen next? I was just like, oh, that's what happens.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have come back after the first commercial break.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 13: When I saw the first commercial break happening, I was like,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 13: I really wish I could turn this off now, but
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 13: I can't.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: Thank you for watching. You can do it. He gave
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: me something to talk about. Yeah, I wanted to love it.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: We watched the first half one night and I had
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: to force myself to watch the second.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 9: Oh, you had to split up over two nights?
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: I think in a weird way, too. To run with
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: kids and school. This might be my little subversive hipster backlash, too.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: Especially with the 50th year. In the office I work at,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: there's little Daleks and TARDISes on everybody's desk. Not me,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: because it's still in my closet. I ain't even told
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: the people I work with. I'm a fan of the show.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 9: You've got the real British stuff, man.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and... It's like, so, of course, on November 23rd
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: is going to be the 50th anniversary. There's going to
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: be this big thing in theaters, all this. And everyone's
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: going on, oh, it's the best show ever. Great, great, great.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: And that sort of sits wrong with me. So I
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: kind of wanted, for this podcast, look at maybe something that.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Didn't quite work.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: But I still love it because I'm a fan.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 12: I was in a doctor who before it was cool.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: So hip. So hip. All right. I think we've thoroughly
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: covered at least this movie. There's still more. Doctor Who
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: universe to go into, but we won't touch that. We'll
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: come back.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 12: I just want to say one thing.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: That's a real thing.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 12: You just admitted to being a hipster, so that nullifies
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 12: the contract you were in.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 10: You're even going about being a hipster wrong.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: I hope you're happy.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: Way to go, man.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 10: Alright, so any final words for the geeks out there, Ben?
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 10: Do you need to pass something on that we haven't
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 10: already covered?
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: About Paul McGann and the 96 movie?
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Love it for the little things. He went on to.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: appeared in some radio versions and it's so much better
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: but i wouldn't recommend you guys listen to it because
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: it's steeped in continuity even more than this movie was
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: so for me he's a legitimate doctor and i love
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: him i just i see the good things and i
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: just go whenever the bad shit happens so yeah.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 10: I have that about certain other properties so i certainly understand.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: The phantom menace of dr who.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: No wonder I don't like it.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: So Eric Roberts is Darth Maul?
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: He's the only good thing in it.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: I think the kid was more of the Jar Jar.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: Good point.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 10: Alright, I think that wraps up the old Doctor Who
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 10: insanity here.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 16: Listen, girl, to what I say About the man from Califrey.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 14: He can show you the planets He can show you
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 14: the stars He.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 16: Can love you more because he's got two hearts Whatcha
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 16: gonna do? Whatcha gonna do? From the nearest world to
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 16: the farthest, he'll take you there and he'll start it.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 8: Who will you find?
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: Are you a mistaker?
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 16: Will it be David Tennant or Colin Baker?
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: Whatcha gonna do?
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: Whatcha gonna do?
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 15: Doctor Who, Doctor Who Hey!
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: Guitarist, Doctor Who Hey!
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 15: Doctor Who, Doctor Who Doctor Who, Doctor Who Doctor Who
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 15: You are, you.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Are, you are, you are. And go!
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 13: Hey!
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 12: Oh, wait, I have a question. So he only has
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 12: 13 lives within that body, and then he gets a
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 12: new body? Then what's the point?
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 4: He can.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: It's like a cat with diamond.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: In the old show, the rule was he could only
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 4: do it 12 times. He could only regenerate 12 times,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: so he had 13 bodies. And this was his eighth body.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 12: Okay, so are they going to have to stop?
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that becomes a question.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: What are they going to do?
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 11: How good is Peter Capaldi, the new doctor, is going
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 11: to be?
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they're going to find a way to write out.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you can loophole that one.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: Because with John Hurt, how many does that push us
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: up to? Actually, the whole reason why the master... is
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: the little snake thing is because technically he was on
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 4: his last body and he had died so technically he
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: should have stayed dead but because he was so evil
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: in the old show he kind of got this alien technology.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: I'm too evil to die.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: He was hanging on to life basically. That's why he
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: wanted a new body because he was completely out.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because the whole initial premise is just kind of
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: hanging on the doctor doing something dumb. Like, I'll take
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: the body.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 4: And what they should have done... In the old show,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 4: when they introduced him, he was on his last body,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 4: which was stupid because the idea of the master was
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 4: so good. They should have had him regenerate just like
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 4: the doctor regenerates. But now they had to have this
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 4: convoluted fan wink where, oh, he's on his last body,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 4: but he becomes this magic snake with goo and he
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 4: can change that way. You know, it's just. They made
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 4: it too weird. How did he get in the series?
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 9: Because he's been on the series.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and on the series, on the series, they basically, again,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 4: was like, la, la, la, didn't happen. He's just a
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: Time Lord. Because of the stuff over here you didn't see,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: this is happening.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: There's only one master, and he's on Buffy.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 4: Damn it.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 10: And really, there's a little part of me that always
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 10: thinks Lee Van Cleef will always be the master.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: Lee Van Cleef will always be the master.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: That's just me.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: Best ninja ever.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: Best old man ninja ever.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 4: And Van Patten will be his new skirted companion.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: There you go. See, finally a doctor who gets a guy.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: Just let him have a guy. What do we care?
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: Actually, in the old show, he had a male companion
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 4: for three years, and he was Scottish, so he wore
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: a kilt.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: Still wearing a miniskirt is what you're saying.
• 2:01:26
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