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Speaker 1: He's the gold reform Tonight, Bombshell claims that labor will
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Speaker 1: have to pay another coal fire generated to stay open
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Speaker 1: as the clean energy revolution hits the wall. And what's
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Speaker 1: happened to the liberals and New Pol says they've blown
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Speaker 1: their lead and threatening scenes outside of Sydney Court as
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Speaker 1: milis looking men rally behind a nurse who are literally
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Speaker 1: threatened to kill Israeli patients. I wonder what all this
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Speaker 1: tells you? And plenty more, but first and let's face facts.
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Speaker 1: Russian President Vladimir Putin humiliated Donald Trump this morning in
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Speaker 1: their ninety minute call to supposedly get a cease far
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Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Trump has since to try to claim that
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Speaker 1: this was a great call because he was a strong leader.
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Speaker 2: We're a country that's now respected.
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Speaker 1: Respected the opposite, I'm afraid, just treated Trump as a joke,
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Speaker 1: a paper tiger, an empty vessel. He rejected Trump's ceasfire
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Speaker 1: plan for Ukraine and made impossible demands which he knew
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Speaker 1: Ukraine and Europe could never accept, and he did it
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Speaker 1: not fearing that Trump would hurt him. Pun showed even
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Speaker 1: before they talked what he thought of Trump, joking about
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Speaker 1: keeping the American president waiting for a scheduled call by
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Speaker 1: going overtime some random meeting, all televised.
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Speaker 3: Pas ilinianin Shurish, piscous lord, the similar stud and oh no,
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Speaker 3: just that to Francois Tuisses.
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Speaker 1: And then came the telephone call itself. I suspect Trump
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Speaker 1: finally standing dawn on him, that he has been outplayed
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Speaker 1: by the Russian despot, but for now he's trying to
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Speaker 1: hide it. You can tell that by comparing Trump's official
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Speaker 1: readout of the meeting a readout. It is a description
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Speaker 1: of what was said. Compare that to Putin's readout. Trump's
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Speaker 1: was very short and reads nothing like Putin's longer one.
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Speaker 1: Trump's readout, for instance, boasts of the alleged progress the
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Speaker 1: two leaders made towards the ceasefire that Trump is already
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Speaker 1: forced on Ukraine, got him to agree to it by
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Speaker 1: bullying his president, even cutting off US military aid intelligence
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Speaker 1: for a week and a half. And trump read out
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Speaker 1: says the leaders agreed that the movements of peace will
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Speaker 1: begin with an energy and infrastructure cease fared don't fire
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Speaker 1: at powers facilities, with a broader cease fire then to
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Speaker 1: be negotiated later, which is Putin's way of saying no,
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Speaker 1: at least not yet. Now. This bit is the bit
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Speaker 1: that the media is already hailing is a partial cease fire,
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Speaker 1: which sounds a bit better than two fingers from Putin.
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Speaker 1: It's a Trump win, a Putin concession, even except it's not.
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Speaker 1: It's a Putin win. This gives him a military advantage
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Speaker 1: and keeps the Russian public off his back. Putin actually
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Speaker 1: wants Ukraine to stop using this new homemade missiles and
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Speaker 1: drones to destroy his valuable oil refining, the refineders and
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Speaker 1: depots that it's picking off, like the one in your
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Speaker 1: up see that Ukraine hit only last weekend. That's the
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Speaker 1: only seas fire that Putin wants for now. Otherwise, he
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Speaker 1: wants his army left free to keep driving back Ukrainian defenders,
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Speaker 1: get them out of the Russian territory in Cursk that
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Speaker 1: have held as a bargaining chip, and Putin certainly won't
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Speaker 1: stop fighting until then, and in the meantime he also
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Speaker 1: wants to be free to keep hitting Ukrainian cities. In fact,
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Speaker 1: a couple of hours after Putin agreed to what's generously
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Speaker 1: called a partial cease fire, Russia unleashed another forty drones
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Speaker 1: on civilian targets across Ukraine, one even hitting a hospital
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Speaker 1: in Sumi, that's northeast Ukraine. That's what Putin wants, as
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Speaker 1: he stalls and stalls, and he ceas far deal, Ukraine
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Speaker 1: held back while Russia unleashes. Now. The only other boast
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Speaker 1: in Trump's readout is that the two leaders also discussed
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Speaker 1: the need to stop proliferation of strategic weapons in the
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Speaker 1: Middle East, and apparently they shared the view Putin and
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Speaker 1: Trump that Iran should never be in a position to
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Speaker 1: destroy Israel. Wow, that sounds good. You know, we're cooperation
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Speaker 1: who control Iran. But when you read Putin's readout of
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Speaker 1: this very same talk, you will see a very different take.
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Speaker 1: You'll see Trump's humiliation spelled out. Putin makes no mention
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Speaker 1: of stopping around. Why would he. It's selling supplying in
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Speaker 1: with these drones. He makes no mention of stopping Iran
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Speaker 1: or of saving Israel. It's just vague talk of trying
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Speaker 1: for some nuclear non proliferation in the Middle East, which
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Speaker 1: could even mean stopping Israel's nuclear weapons. Who knows. As
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Speaker 1: for Ukraine, Putin told Trump there would be no full
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Speaker 1: cease fire unless Ukraine essentially surrendered and we can dessent army.
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Speaker 1: So there would be a sitting duck if Putin invaded
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Speaker 1: Ukraine a third time to take the rest of the country.
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Speaker 1: Because Putin's redoubt says what Trump's did not, that the
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Speaker 1: Russian side outlined a number of significant points to include
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Speaker 1: in any cease fire deal, such as the necessity to
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Speaker 1: stop the force mobilization in Ucaukraine and the rearmament of
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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian armed forces. Plus he wanted the complete cessation
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Speaker 1: of foreign military aid and the provision of intelligence information
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Speaker 1: to Kiv to Ukraine. Now Trump actually denies that they
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Speaker 1: discussed that last bit. Yep, Putin has it in his readoubt,
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Speaker 1: and it's obvious from all that that Putin is not
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Speaker 1: serious about to cease fire at all. He only wants
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Speaker 1: to cease fire if it stops Ukraine from rearming but
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Speaker 1: doesn't stop Russia, if it stops Ukraine from getting foreign
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Speaker 1: military aid, but doesn't stop Russia from getting weapons and
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Speaker 1: soldiers from North Korea and Iran. Obviously, no way Ukraine
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Speaker 1: would ever could ever agree to that. Putin even insisted
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Speaker 1: that Trump agreed to his war aims. His initial war
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Speaker 1: aims to remove what he calls the root causes of
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Speaker 1: this crisis, which is said in the past, means, among
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Speaker 1: other things, removing Ukraine's elected government and in exchange for
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Speaker 1: all this a total surrender of Ukraine. Essentially, Putin made
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Speaker 1: Trump a sort of beads and blankets kind of offer
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Speaker 1: that Trump to a shame apparently jumped out, says Putin's readout,
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's supportive letting me Putin's idea to organize hockey
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Speaker 1: matches in the US and Russia between Russian American players
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Speaker 1: playing in the National Hockey League and the Continental Hockey League,
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Speaker 1: which includes Russia and China. I mean, that is just
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Speaker 1: seriously unbelievable. According to Putin, Trump will get hockey games
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Speaker 1: and Putin gets Ukraine, fair enough, I mean, I find
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Speaker 1: it impossible to believe that Trump does not now know
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Speaker 1: that he's been treated by Putin as a cheap grifter
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Speaker 1: or a Russian patsy. Now, if Trump is really the badass,
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Speaker 1: tough guy that his fans adore and to there was
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Speaker 1: only one way you could respond to Putin's insults. It's
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Speaker 1: to assert America's strength and America's values by helping Europe
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Speaker 1: to rearm democratic Ukraine to the teeth to make sure
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Speaker 1: Putin realizes that his army and his country will bleed
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Speaker 1: out if he doesn't back off. But does Trump then
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Speaker 1: dare admit that he was wrong all along to say
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Speaker 1: that it end this war in a day. He was
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Speaker 1: wrong to treat Putin almost as a friend that he
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Speaker 1: could deal with. He was wrong to trash Ukraine as
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Speaker 1: a corrupt and ungrateful sponge of usaid. I've said all
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Speaker 1: this in the past and got blasted for it by
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Speaker 1: a lot of Trump fans. But now you're seeing it
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Speaker 1: in real time. Trump might actually though, think, Oh, it'd
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Speaker 1: probably be less embarrassing and quicker and easier to agree
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Speaker 1: to Putin's demands and give up Ukraine quick way of
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Speaker 1: getting this promised peace just. But here's the catch. It
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Speaker 1: would never work. Ukraine could not accept this surrender and
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Speaker 1: would fight on even without Trump. Europe will hopefully help
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Speaker 1: a bit that Ukraine will fight even with fewer weapons
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Speaker 1: and less hope. On the other hand, America's enemies looking
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Speaker 1: at all this today, they're going to have plenty of hope. China,
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Speaker 1: especially hope that America is now too weak to stop them,
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Speaker 1: and just yesterday. Just yesterday, we saw a sign of this.
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Speaker 1: China sent fifty nine military aircraft, fifty nine nine naval ships,
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Speaker 1: and two spy balloons to test Taiwan's air and sea
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Speaker 1: defenses ahead of the invasion of Taiwan that China again
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Speaker 1: threatened this week. Come today, the US looks too weak
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Speaker 1: to defend its friends, and that day will Shirley dawn
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Speaker 1: when Trump, or if Trump does abandon Ukraine mistaking as
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Speaker 1: he did today, the contempt of Russia and China for respect.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Michael Schubridge, a former senior defense official
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Speaker 1: and now founder and director of Strategic Analysis Australia. Michael Schubridge,
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Speaker 1: great to see you again. Now. Donald Trump said, this
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Speaker 1: was a great talk with Russia's president. Very productive here
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Speaker 1: he is earlier today.
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Speaker 4: We had a great quote, lasted almost two hours, talked
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Speaker 4: about a lot of things and toward getting it to peace,
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Speaker 4: and we talked about other things.
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Speaker 1: Also, How would you describe what happened?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think Trump was going to leave this meeting
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Speaker 2: with almost nothing, but Putin knew he had to give
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Speaker 2: him something, so he threw him the smallest bone he
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Speaker 2: could find, which is the ceasefire you have when you
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Speaker 2: don't have a ceasefire. This thing about a restraint around
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Speaker 2: attacking Ukraine's critical infrastructure and energy, but it still looks
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Speaker 2: like he's Putin is still attacking Ukrainian civilians, so what
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Speaker 2: he offered doesn't even seem to be happening. But I
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Speaker 2: think the big problem is Trump is now brought into
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Speaker 2: this and he needs a result more than Putin does,
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Speaker 2: and Putin therefore has all the leverage.
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Speaker 1: And that was exactly what I objected to, by him
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Speaker 1: weakening Ukraine and vilifying Ukraine and leaving it in a
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Speaker 1: weaker position ahead of the talks. Is given away all
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Speaker 1: the chocolates already. This is just terrible bargaining from a
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Speaker 1: guy's written in the art of the deal. And there's
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Speaker 1: now going to be talks between the US and Russia
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Speaker 1: on a future to cease fire, more talks because as
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Speaker 1: you know, they've already been having talks in Saudi Arabia
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Speaker 1: to know a vailed Apparently, what are you expecting from.
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Speaker 2: All this, Well, I'm expecting Putin will keep doing what
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Speaker 2: he's been doing so far, which is every time that
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Speaker 2: he has a discussion with Donald Trump or his underling's
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Speaker 2: talk with Trump's underlings, Putin makes new bigger demands.
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Speaker 1: So first it was well, the US needs.
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Speaker 2: To stop arming Ukraine and giving them intelligence support. Trump
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Speaker 2: did that. Now Putin says, well, actually Ukraine can get
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Speaker 2: no foreign military or intelligence assistance as the price for
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Speaker 2: me starting a cease fire and talking. So what Putin
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Speaker 2: wants is all his terms accepted before he even begins negotiating.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and there'll be terms that I said before would
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Speaker 1: leave Ukraine an absolute sitting duck the next time Russian
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Speaker 1: troops pour across his borders. Putin has sent them in
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Speaker 1: twice already, nine in twenty fourteen and now in this
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Speaker 1: latest invasion twenty twenty two. What actually needs to happen?
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Speaker 1: Do you think? Well?
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Speaker 2: I think, first of all, the worst thing that can
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Speaker 2: happen is quite likely, which is Trump thinks he needs
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Speaker 2: to put even more pressure on Ukraine and maybe a
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Speaker 2: little bit of pressure on Russia, but to get a deal.
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Speaker 2: When I think what needs to happen is Trump needs
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Speaker 2: to use that line out of his first term around
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Speaker 2: Iran maximum pressure. He needs to put maximum pressure on
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Speaker 2: Putin and Russia and stop weakening Ukraine. Without that, Putin
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Speaker 2: is not going to negotiate anything.
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Speaker 1: It's just so obvious. It's just driven me nuts that
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Speaker 1: to see all this unfolding. Can I just switch to
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Speaker 1: something else? I talked a bit about the threat that
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Speaker 1: China's showing, obviously off Taiwan this week, but about China.
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Speaker 1: Our Foreign Minister Penny Wang protests in China this week
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Speaker 1: about a letter sent from Hong Kong two Chinese residents here,
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Speaker 1: offering a two hundred thousand dollars Australian reward for information
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Speaker 1: in Hong Kong democracy activists that we've given refuge to
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Speaker 1: Kevin Yam, who now lives in Australia. China has now
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Speaker 1: given her a blast have listened.
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Speaker 5: China expresses strong dissatisfaction and resolute opposition to Australia's bleedant
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Speaker 5: interference in the rule of law in the Hong Kong
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Speaker 5: Special Administrative Region.
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Speaker 1: What does this response tell you about the Chinese regime
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Speaker 1: and how it regards Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think, coming on the back of the three
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Speaker 2: Chinese warships doing that live fire exercise and then circumnavigating
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Speaker 2: our country to intimidators, this is a another demonstration of
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Speaker 2: contempt from Beijing for our government so all this stabilized relationship,
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Speaker 2: ministerial contact, you know, agree where we can, disagree where
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Speaker 2: we must. Nonsense, We're being treated with utter contempt by Beijing,
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Speaker 2: and right as they blatantly interfere in our own country
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Speaker 2: and seek to put pressure on someone living here, they
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Speaker 2: blame us for interfering in Hong Kong. The absurdity and
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Speaker 2: the contempt is just palpable.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they see us this week and now with a
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Speaker 1: weak major ally and here we are with our pants
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Speaker 1: down and no submarines, nuclear submarines and the horizon to
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Speaker 1: save us. Michael Schubridge, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: After the break, Peter Dutton's and Liberals suddenly do need
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Speaker 1: help and they are sure going to get it after this.
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Speaker 1: I have to say I spoke too soon last night.
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Speaker 1: The latest poll by Redbridge says Anthony Albenizi's Labor government
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Speaker 1: is now back ahead of the Coalition fifty one percent
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Speaker 1: to forty nine. And if you've watched the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: this week you'll see it looks a lot bouncier now.
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Speaker 1: And I have to say, when I heard Peter Dutton today,
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Speaker 1: the Opposition leader say my idea now is that I
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Speaker 1: want to do a citizenship test change so that people
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Speaker 1: coming in are going to ask be asked, do you
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Speaker 1: think it's all right to abuse Jews because of their religion?
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what is that? Who would say yes, I
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Speaker 1: think that's all right, knowing that if they got the
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Speaker 1: answer wrong to be denied citizenship? I mean, who would?
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Speaker 1: I mean? This is just performance stuff changes nothing anyway.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is the political panel Cameron Milner, formative of Stuff,
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Speaker 1: the Labor leader Bill Short and our director of g
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Speaker 1: Exo Strategies Costs of former New South Wales Labor Treasurer Cameron.
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Speaker 1: What has happened to the liberals where you know, it
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Speaker 1: seemed for a while every single pole the Labor was
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Speaker 1: going down and their vote was going up, and then
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Speaker 1: they hit the lead and now they aren't in the lead.
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Speaker 1: What's happened?
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Speaker 6: Well, very simply, Andrew, they're not talking about the number
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Speaker 6: one issue of concern to voters. And the number one issue,
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Speaker 6: which we've talked about on this program many times, is
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Speaker 6: cost of living. There's cost of living in the polls
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Speaker 6: and then there's daylight for voters concerns. So while Peter
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Speaker 6: Dutton's off talking about Rico laws and the c for
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Speaker 6: MEU and deportations and decisions jet tests. Voters are crushed
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Speaker 6: by Albani's cost of living pressure, aren't hearing the message
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Speaker 6: from Peter Dutton is going to provide a new relief.
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Speaker 6: So it's a little surprise the polls have slid sideways
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Speaker 6: for Peter Dutton and the albow looks like he's back
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Speaker 6: in the race. Because Peter Dutton needs to get back
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Speaker 6: and put the pressure on Albanize around cost of living pressures. Singlely,
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Speaker 6: that's the one primary focus he needs to have andrew
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Speaker 6: from here into a polling day and that's what we'll
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Speaker 6: return the polls where they were only a few weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: What's your take, Michael, Well.
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Speaker 7: Look, I'm not surprised by these poles. It was always
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Speaker 7: going to be a close election. And really it's only
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Speaker 7: sort of people with a hackneyed analysis suffering from sort
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Speaker 7: of you know, Trump Messiah syndrome, that thought that somehow
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Speaker 7: there was this wave going to come and you know
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Speaker 7: this was going to be like the USA. It's not
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Speaker 7: going to be like the USA. It is about cost
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Speaker 7: of living and a Dunton's really dropping the ball on this.
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Speaker 7: I mean the fact of the matter is he needs
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Speaker 7: to focus, as Cameron said, and as I've said on
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Speaker 7: many occasions, and you have as well, on cost of living.
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Speaker 7: That's the only issue that's there. He needs to use
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Speaker 7: the budget as a reset. I'm sort of worried about
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Speaker 7: Angus Taylor. I don't know why he doesn't accept the
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Speaker 7: challenge of taking on charmers. Maybe he feels he's not
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Speaker 7: up to it, but he really does.
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Speaker 1: Need to get out there.
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Speaker 7: And they need to announce policies like you know, bracket creep,
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Speaker 7: you know, tax indexation, stuff that's meaningful. They also need
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Speaker 7: to announce something that's meaningful.
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Speaker 1: In terms of energy.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I support nuclear energy, but that's a decade
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Speaker 7: away policy. It's not going to solve the problems in
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Speaker 7: the short term. They need to talk about what's going
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Speaker 7: to happen with the POWERstation, the coal fire power stations.
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Speaker 7: We see Victoria has decided to fund one to keep
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Speaker 7: it going. I mean, you know, col Shure want to
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Speaker 7: jump on this sort of stuff and say it's going
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Speaker 7: to leave coal fired power stations, put a cap on
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Speaker 7: price increases and those sorts of things to get back
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Speaker 7: to the real issues or it will lose. But I
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Speaker 7: still think alban These will be a minority government.
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Speaker 1: You know you mentioned Angus stated the shadow treasurer. It's
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Speaker 1: really unfortunate that. Yeah. I think he knows his stuff,
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Speaker 1: but he always looks like he's sitting an exam his
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Speaker 1: scared will fail or you know, he's got us back
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Speaker 1: to the wall facing a firing squad. It just doesn't
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Speaker 1: seem to exude confidence. I don't know what that is,
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Speaker 1: but that is a real problem. People pick up on
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Speaker 1: the vibe rather than on what he actually says. What
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Speaker 1: do you think, Cameron, what difference do you think this
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Speaker 1: week's or next week's budget will make.
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Speaker 7: Look.
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Speaker 6: I think the budget runs risks for government as well
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Speaker 6: as risks for Dutton. The risk for government is that
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Speaker 6: crystallize the inflation numbers and tells everyone that they're not
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Speaker 6: going to interest rate cut anytime soon, and inflation is
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Speaker 6: potentially going to get worse in the second half of
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Speaker 6: this year, which means there's no relief under Albanese for
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Speaker 6: cost of living. The danger for Dutton, and to your point,
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Speaker 6: is that Angus Taylor fronts a single press conference. Dutton
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Speaker 6: has to take the lead on this. Dutton has to
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Speaker 6: attack the budget around the cost of living around the
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Speaker 6: lived experience of the last three years, where people are
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Speaker 6: worse off under Albanesese, far worse off under Albanize after
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Speaker 6: the last three years. It's lines like that that Dutton
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Speaker 6: needs post budget to attack because I think we're going
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Speaker 6: to go to the polls within days, within days of
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Speaker 6: this budget.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Michael, I also wonder whether one thing dragging down
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Speaker 1: the Liberal vote by association distance association, it's the Donald perfect.
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Speaker 1: I know a lot of fans of Donald Trump. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot that he does that I'm fans of. I
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Speaker 1: like the you know, the war on work that he's doing.
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Speaker 1: But I have to say that the vote for left
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Speaker 1: wing parties or left wing governments stand up to him
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Speaker 1: around the world. They seem to be increasing. Canada's government suddenly,
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Speaker 1: you know, look like turkeys for Christmas, suddenly up in
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Speaker 1: the polls, Keith Starmer, up in the polls, in Macron
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Speaker 1: in France, suddenly looking like he's the big guy that
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Speaker 1: will help lead the free world and now bit easy
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Speaker 1: as well. Do you think it's having an effect.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think it's probably having an effect in Canada
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Speaker 7: because there are neighbors and they're going to be dramatically
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Speaker 7: affected by what Trump's proposing in terms of tariffs. I
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Speaker 7: mean we're only marginally affected. Look, I still think this
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Speaker 7: is back the cost of living. And the problem is,
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Speaker 7: you know, this is where I agree and disagree with Camera.
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Speaker 7: You can talk about cost of living and you're worse off,
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Speaker 7: you know, than you're work three year years ago. But
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Speaker 7: the bottom line is you need to have policy alternatives,
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Speaker 7: and they have got no policy alternatives. Let's focus on
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Speaker 7: tax indexation. Let's focus on things that are likely to
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Speaker 7: make a difference on a practical basis immediately, and they're
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Speaker 7: not doing that.
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Speaker 1: Have you got any policy ideas in your kit bag? Camera,
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Speaker 1: and the issue you could offer as a gesture of
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Speaker 1: goodwill from a labor man to the coalition.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think at the end of the day, Michael's right.
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Speaker 6: I mean, income tax is such a huge proportion of
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Speaker 6: the federal budget now it makes a meaningful difference to
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Speaker 6: people's ability to deal with the cost of living crisis
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Speaker 6: they're living through. So I think Michael's one hundred percent right.
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Speaker 6: Anyone who comes to the party first with a sensible
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Speaker 6: and costed income tax plan which cuts the cost of
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Speaker 6: tax for Australians will win the next federal election.
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Speaker 1: That's right now, Michael, I'm hearing you on the cost
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Speaker 1: of living thing, but just the one I'm thinking about today,
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Speaker 1: this plan to to say, look, we're going to we're
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Speaker 1: going to change the citizenship test to ask people coming
23:05
Speaker 1: in wanted to be new citizens. Do you think it's
23:08
Speaker 1: okay to villifi Jews because of their religious some question
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Speaker 1: of that car and Dan team was talking about, without
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Speaker 1: seeing fixing on the exact words, Does that do any good? Really?
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Speaker 7: Look, I think it's a diversion. I think if he's
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Speaker 7: going to focus on this, I can see what he's
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Speaker 7: trying to do from a sort of dog whistle point
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Speaker 7: of view in terms of, you know, Islamic extremism. But
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Speaker 7: this is not what this election's about. If they keep
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Speaker 7: doing this, they're going to lose. They're going to lose dramatically.
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Speaker 7: As I said, I still think it's going to be
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Speaker 7: a minority government. He needs to get back again to
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Speaker 7: cost of living. There are existing penalties under existing laws
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Speaker 7: to deal with many of the issues that he's talking about.
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Speaker 7: They're just not applied. I mean, you've just got to
23:49
Speaker 7: look at Victoria for example, in terms of crime. I
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Speaker 7: mean they've taken a softly, softly approach and you see
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Speaker 7: the consequences of that. So I really do think he's
23:57
Speaker 7: got to get back to the center game, cost of living,
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Speaker 7: tax indexation and energy policy. You know, let's not forget
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Speaker 7: energy policy. We need some realistic, more realistic than nuclear
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Speaker 7: in ten twenty years time. That's not going to be
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Speaker 7: sold to the community. They're not going to buy that.
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Speaker 7: They want something immediate and cold fire power stations, given
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Speaker 7: the two governments Labor governments have had to reinstate cold
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Speaker 7: power stations is really the focus that I would have.
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Speaker 1: And gas of course, well that is a very good
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Speaker 1: way of leading into the next segment, because there's been
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Speaker 1: remarkable news about that just today and I'll get onto
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Speaker 1: that after the break, but for now, Camera Milner, Michael Costa,
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Speaker 1: thank you both for your time. Like I said after
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Speaker 1: the break, Labour's clin energy revolution. I mean, it has
24:41
Speaker 1: been in such dire straits for so long, we'll live
24:46
Speaker 1: even deeper stracted. I wonder when the scales are going
24:49
Speaker 1: to fall from people's eyes on this one. But good news.
24:53
Speaker 1: The rest of the world is bailing out something mad
25:00
Speaker 1: and so frustrating going on with this Albaniza government. Around
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Speaker 1: the world, now we see leaders finally realizing this whole
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Speaker 1: clean energy crusade has been a disaster, or paying no gain.
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Speaker 1: They're backing off right, going back to fossil fuels or
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Speaker 1: going nuclear. But not here, not with this government. It's
25:21
Speaker 1: still living in some la la land of fools paradise.
25:26
Speaker 1: Even after we were told electricity prices they're going up
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Speaker 1: yet again, even after reports today disputed. I have to
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Speaker 1: say that the Victorian government is considering paying they lorn
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Speaker 1: coll for our power station to keep open passes planned
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Speaker 1: close in twenty twenty eight, just three years from now.
25:42
Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a second, But you think
25:44
Speaker 1: that would also create a little bit of oh, maybe
25:47
Speaker 1: we're going the wrong way. So either you've got to
25:49
Speaker 1: conclude the rest of the world is nuts or our
25:51
Speaker 1: own government are the crazy guys driving our economy over
25:55
Speaker 1: the cliff by saying no to coal, no to nuclear power,
25:59
Speaker 1: yes to spending billions and clean energy schemes. Let me
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Speaker 1: show you the difference. Canada's new Prime minister has just
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Speaker 1: said is scrapping the country's consumer carbon tax attacks on
26:12
Speaker 1: using fossil fuels as it hurts people too much. Germany,
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Speaker 1: it had gone anti nuclear anti cole, closed the generators down,
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Speaker 1: now has about Europe's most expensive electricity and is losing
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Speaker 1: its car industry. So its incoming government says Germany will
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Speaker 1: and must again go nuclear. Japan also needs a lot
26:34
Speaker 1: more nuclear power. It's going to open up more reactors
26:38
Speaker 1: again after closing most after the Fukashemas scare. I also
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Speaker 1: said lars than Donald Trump now wants to build more
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Speaker 1: coal fired generators to keep power prices down. And even
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Speaker 1: in left wing Britain well kenmy Badenoch, the conservative leader
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Speaker 1: of the opposition, says cutting emissions the net zero. That's
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Speaker 1: their target to twenty two, same target here at both
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Speaker 1: the labor and the liberals. It's impossible and it's dangerous.
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Speaker 8: I call myself a net zero skeptic model plans on
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Speaker 8: realistic targets and deadlines. Over reliance on China. We have
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Speaker 8: got to start acknowledging what is in plain sight. Net
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Speaker 8: zero makes us dangerously dependent on countries who don't share
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Speaker 8: our values, and it is risking our energy security. It
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Speaker 8: is time to stop pretending everything will be fine. Net
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Speaker 8: zero by twenty fifty is impossible.
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Speaker 1: Now it's just that water in the desert hearing calm,
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Speaker 1: common sense like that, and I have to say her
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Speaker 1: argument applies to Australia as well. Here we are sitting
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Speaker 1: on mountains of our own coal and uranium, yet our
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Speaker 1: own government wants us to stop using all that and
27:54
Speaker 1: pay a fortune instead becoming dependent on wind and solar equipment.
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Speaker 1: We have to import almost all of it from China.
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Speaker 8: Today we're even more dependent. Look at the top dozen
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Speaker 8: makers of solar panels. They are nearly all Chinese. That's
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Speaker 8: an extraordinary dependency given what we learned during COVID about
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Speaker 8: over reliance on these supply chains. What about wind farms,
28:19
Speaker 8: where do we think that most production is currently you
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Speaker 8: guessed it, China, which means that they are all produced
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Speaker 8: using Chinese energy. Sixty percent of their supply comes from
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Speaker 8: coal fired power stations.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. I mean, you tell me how destroying our
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Speaker 1: coal fired power system makes sense when China, India and America,
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Speaker 1: the top three meters in the world, all plan to
28:43
Speaker 1: build more cul fire generators themselves. It's in fact so
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Speaker 1: crazy that now there's a report, the one that I
28:51
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in the Australian newspaper today that the Victoria
28:54
Speaker 1: Labor governments, now so scared of running out of electricity
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Speaker 1: after going nuts for bands on gas exploration, really tougher
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Speaker 1: mission targets and the lot that it's offering to pay
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Speaker 1: to keep the Lawn coal generator open past twenty twenty eight,
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Speaker 1: three years from now when it was due to shut Now.
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Speaker 1: The company and the state government have both denied this story.
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Speaker 1: Lily Danbrosio, easily the worst, the most destructive state energy
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Speaker 1: minister in the country, was very strong in denying the
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Speaker 1: whole thing.
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Speaker 9: The assertion that somehow AEMO has written to the Victorian
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Speaker 9: government claiming that your lawn needs to stay open beyond
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Speaker 9: twenty twenty eight is absolute fabrication. It's dishonest, it's a lie,
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Speaker 9: and I'm here to set that record straight and it
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Speaker 9: is absolutely irresponsible.
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Speaker 1: That said, The Australian, which started anonymous sources, was still
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Speaker 1: sticking by its story this afternoon, and the opposition's energy
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Speaker 1: spokesman also backed it.
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Speaker 10: I have since been further informed and there is actually
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Speaker 10: president some significant doubt about the government's veracity on these matters. Indeed,
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Speaker 10: and the Australian, as I understand it, is actually very
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Speaker 10: well informed.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Rowan Dean, editor in chief of This
30:19
Speaker 1: Spectator Australia, hosts of Outsiders and Sky and Sundays at
30:24
Speaker 1: nine am Great Show, and hosts of his own show
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Speaker 1: and Fridays at seven pm even Greater Show. Rowan, thanks
30:31
Speaker 1: for being on this one. I can imagine I can
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Speaker 1: imagine that the Victorian Labor government, you know, it's desperate
30:38
Speaker 1: to deny this story because it makes the other easy
30:40
Speaker 1: Labor government look even more stupid just before the election,
30:43
Speaker 1: which will be a lot about you know, the failure
30:46
Speaker 1: of its green energy schemes, but promising to you this
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Speaker 1: is the Labor government here, the ob government is promising
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Speaker 1: to go in even harder on green energy, with the
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Speaker 1: rest of the world saying, whoa, that might be a mistake.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the great tragedy here and in fact it's
31:03
Speaker 4: a great betrayal is an Australian voters aren't being offered
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Speaker 4: a choice. Australian voters should be being offered a choice
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Speaker 4: between the two major parties, one which is in favor
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Speaker 4: of net zero and climate change ideology, and the other
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Speaker 4: which isn't. Unfortunately that's not the case. What we're seeing
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Speaker 4: around the world, Andrew, is fantasy and reality. They're the
31:28
Speaker 4: two options. One by one. Countries around the world are
31:30
Speaker 4: recognizing that net zero is a fantasy, and Chemi bab
31:34
Speaker 4: Knock spelt it out very very clearly. It's a fantasy
31:37
Speaker 4: for a number of reasons. It's a fantasy because the
31:40
Speaker 4: physics doesn't add up. It's a fantasy because the economic
31:43
Speaker 4: numbers don't add up. It's a fantasy because all we're
31:46
Speaker 4: doing is enriching China at the expense of ourselves. It's
31:49
Speaker 4: a fantasy on so many levels. The reality is that America, China, India, Russia,
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Speaker 4: you name it, the majority of so called carbon emitters
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Speaker 4: around the world. Certainly the biggest manufacturers and industrialized nations
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Speaker 4: have abandoned at zero. It's over. Why in Australia are
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Speaker 4: we still pursuing this fantasy? And that's what's really sad
32:16
Speaker 4: because what will happen, Andrew, is after the next election,
32:20
Speaker 4: reality will come in like a thunderous train and smash
32:24
Speaker 4: that fantasy to pieces, regardless of who is in government,
32:28
Speaker 4: whether it's a Dutton government, which I certainly hope it is,
32:31
Speaker 4: or a continuation of the Albanese government. Reality will intrude
32:36
Speaker 4: economically in terms of the energy supplies that we have
32:40
Speaker 4: and there are continually relying on which won't be able
32:43
Speaker 4: to provide the lifestyles we need. So it is going
32:46
Speaker 4: to come to a crashing hole probably within eighteen months.
32:48
Speaker 4: What a tragedy. To go back to your excellent interview
32:52
Speaker 4: or discussion with both Michael and Cameron earlier, the one
32:56
Speaker 4: big idea that the Coalition should be pushing and should
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Speaker 4: seize the opportunity. Today Kemy Badanock announcing her annunciation net zero,
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Speaker 4: what the Coalition should be saying is we've looked around
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Speaker 4: the world. Net zero is over. We're abandoning it, which
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Speaker 4: then allows them to put every single cost of living
33:14
Speaker 4: measure out there to say we are bringing down prices
33:16
Speaker 4: of energy. Every business will do better, every family will
33:19
Speaker 4: do better. You'll have more money to go on your holidays,
33:22
Speaker 4: you have more petrol to put in the car, you
33:24
Speaker 4: will have a much better lifestyle. We will raise your
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Speaker 4: cost of living by abandoning net zero. That is the reality.
33:31
Speaker 4: And by the way, Andrew Kemmy Badenock was a full
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Speaker 4: blown net zero believer, full blown in the in the
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Speaker 4: Boris Johnson government The fact that she's turned around tells
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Speaker 4: you this isn't some kind of you know, right wing
33:45
Speaker 4: crazy outsider Andrew boltviewer. This was a genuine believer who's
33:49
Speaker 4: looked at the numbers and gone it does not work.
33:53
Speaker 4: And she's running for the hills because she's realized she
33:56
Speaker 4: has any hope of ever leading Britain, she has to
33:58
Speaker 4: abandon net zero out and should grab this moment tonight.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The two differences here. One is that she's got
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Speaker 1: the Reform Party of Naja Ferach breathing down her neck.
34:10
Speaker 1: You know, win it takes all kind of system of
34:13
Speaker 1: voting and he's forcing her to be honest. So that's
34:18
Speaker 1: one thing here. We don't have that. And also, you
34:22
Speaker 1: just know, Roan, you mentioned that there's going to be
34:24
Speaker 1: a moment of clarity and people think, oh, look this
34:26
Speaker 1: is just a con what's happened. Look, you know, no
34:29
Speaker 1: power of this bills and everything, and it will change.
34:32
Speaker 1: You know that that will also be the day that
34:34
Speaker 1: most of the media that has been cheering this nonsense
34:37
Speaker 1: on will then be saying, oh, who are the fools
34:40
Speaker 1: that cheered it on? As if they didn't have a
34:43
Speaker 1: big part to play in this. You watch, it'll go
34:46
Speaker 1: like a dime. You know the received wisten today or
34:49
Speaker 1: that zero is holy red. You've got to Jennifleck will
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Speaker 1: tomorrow become Who are the idiots that pushed this? Well,
34:56
Speaker 1: the mainstream media did, and that's the problem with the liberals.
34:59
Speaker 1: You say they should, but they've left it too late,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know the media would forgive them if
35:04
Speaker 1: they spent the next two months. I saw they got
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Speaker 1: left pushing a new call on twenty you know net zero.
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Speaker 4: It worked Andrew on the voice. It worked on the Voice,
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Speaker 4: and it can work again on that zero if only
35:16
Speaker 4: the liberals. They still have that look of opportunity. But
35:20
Speaker 4: they've got to move fast.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well yes, and a lot of liberals unfortunately would
35:26
Speaker 1: still believe it because it's too easy to go along
35:30
Speaker 1: with it, and that caused trouble for Peter Dunn't it's
35:33
Speaker 1: a mess. I don't see any way out of it.
35:36
Speaker 1: But you're quite correct. I mean, that's the only way
35:38
Speaker 1: to deal with this hysteria. Rowan. I've got to say though,
35:43
Speaker 1: having now bagged the coalition, both of us bagged, not
35:47
Speaker 1: on Trump. At the top of the show, I'll probably
35:49
Speaker 1: be kicked out of the Conservative Party in Australia. Now,
35:54
Speaker 1: I've got to give the coalition qutos for promising a
35:57
Speaker 1: quick decision if it's elected to end the six years
36:02
Speaker 1: now of delays to approving the extension of Woodsay's giant
36:05
Speaker 1: Northwest Shelf gas project West Australia. Six years labor governments
36:10
Speaker 1: have been holding that up, mostly Labor governments. Anthony Albinizi
36:14
Speaker 1: is still stalling. But Peter Dutton today said he won't listen.
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Speaker 11: Frankfully, he's a Prime minister that is against mining, and
36:22
Speaker 11: is against agriculture and is against development. And our announcement
36:26
Speaker 11: today to deal with the Northwest Shelf Gas extension decision
36:31
Speaker 11: within thirty days should send a very clear message that
36:35
Speaker 11: our government would be a very different provide a very
36:39
Speaker 11: different future for Western Australians than what Labor Green's government
36:43
Speaker 11: would do.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy? You know six years have been waiting
36:48
Speaker 1: just to extend an existing project. What is wrong with
36:52
Speaker 1: this country?
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Speaker 4: Well done to be to Dutton, that's absolutely the right
36:56
Speaker 4: thing he should be doing and the Coalition should be doing.
36:59
Speaker 4: But they should be doing that on a thousand other projects,
37:01
Speaker 4: mining projects that are being installed, agricultural projects that are
37:05
Speaker 4: being installed, manufacturing small businesses that would love to open
37:09
Speaker 4: and get cracking and become productive, but union wages are
37:13
Speaker 4: too high. We have this green tape on everything, strangling everything.
37:17
Speaker 4: We've added on top of that, all this insane indigenous.
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Speaker 10: Tape where.
37:22
Speaker 4: Major projects are being held up because of some rock
37:25
Speaker 4: artwork or whatever that someone has discovered. I was interested
37:29
Speaker 4: to read that there are one million pieces of rock
37:32
Speaker 4: artwork that are at risk in the top end, one
37:35
Speaker 4: million pieces of indigenous artwork. They sound probably not quite
37:38
Speaker 4: on a level of Michelangelo or Da Vinci, I'm guessing,
37:41
Speaker 4: but I'm sure that if there are a million pieces
37:45
Speaker 4: of artwork that we've got to preserve, we ain't going
37:46
Speaker 4: to get anything done in this country. And we've got
37:49
Speaker 4: to get rid of the black tape, the red tape,
37:51
Speaker 4: the green tape, and then we can make this country
37:54
Speaker 4: prosperous and productive again.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Well, I suspect that most almost all the million
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Speaker 1: pieces of art that they found happened to be exactly
38:04
Speaker 1: near the developing the farts that people are trying to
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Speaker 1: get approvals for. You wait, if youcentive, they'll look somewhere
38:12
Speaker 1: else and find more rowandine, thank you so much for
38:15
Speaker 1: your time after the break marvelous multiculturalism in Australia these
38:20
Speaker 1: days Middle Eastern looking men rally to a nurse allegedly
38:23
Speaker 1: tape threatening to kill Israeli patients, Ugly scenes out said
38:31
Speaker 1: to Sydney Court today and other glimpse of our multiculturalism
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Speaker 1: gone wrong in my opinion. Two nurses who were filmed
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Speaker 1: by an Israeli influencer, one saying he'd killed Israeli patients already,
38:45
Speaker 1: the other saying she would well. They had to face
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Speaker 1: court on various charges, with the woman turning up with
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Speaker 1: the tribe of Middle East and looking men in hoodies
38:54
Speaker 1: and shades to physically shield her from wicked journalists.
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Speaker 10: Do you have anything you'd like to say to the
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Speaker 10: Jewish community or the Israeli community. Your brother said you
39:07
Speaker 10: were set up?
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Speaker 12: Do you believe you were set up?
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Speaker 1: Anyway? The male nurse at least just at his lawyer,
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Speaker 1: who said he would plead not guilty.
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Speaker 4: Listen, do you.
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Speaker 12: Have anything to say?
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Speaker 9: How do you intend to plead?
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Speaker 13: My client will be pleading not guilty to the charges.
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Speaker 9: On what basis is he pleading not guilty?
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Speaker 7: Was caught on the video.
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Speaker 13: He'll be defending the matter on legal and technical grounds.
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Speaker 12: Can you expand on that? What kind of grounds?
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Speaker 2: What legal grounds?
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Speaker 13: The video which was captured and recorded was done without
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Speaker 13: the consent of my client, without his knowledge, and we
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Speaker 13: will argue for that to be excluded.
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Speaker 1: Joining Mere Louise Roberts Go and news contributor and communications
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Speaker 1: consultant Christine McSweeney, who has worked for coalition prime ministers
39:59
Speaker 1: and premiers. Christie, We're not going to comment on the
40:02
Speaker 1: guilty instance because that is for the courts. But what
40:06
Speaker 1: are we supposed to make of a posse of Middle
40:08
Speaker 1: Eastern looking men in hoodies and baseball caps and shawes,
40:13
Speaker 1: pushing and shoving like that as they did with the media.
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Speaker 5: Well, the video itself that brought them there in the
40:22
Speaker 5: first place was really really disturbing, and there's scenes outside
40:27
Speaker 5: court disturbing as well. And what I find most disturbing
40:30
Speaker 5: is that lawyer defending one of the accused there is
40:34
Speaker 5: clearly after his American style day in the sun. We
40:39
Speaker 5: don't often see lawyers front the media, particularly when a
40:44
Speaker 5: case has been adjourned to be heard in eight weeks time.
40:48
Speaker 5: That's possibly not the best conduct for his clients. Look,
40:53
Speaker 5: I understand the woman is saying she's had severe mental
40:57
Speaker 5: health issues, but of course actions have consequences if you
41:01
Speaker 5: are a public servant. Let's not forget their nurses paid
41:05
Speaker 5: by the New South Wales tax payer, registered by Australian
41:08
Speaker 5: authorities and registered no more. Your actions and your what
41:13
Speaker 5: you say to people, whether you feel that that was
41:16
Speaker 5: unjust or not, have consequences. And of course you know
41:21
Speaker 5: she's had to face court and had to deal with
41:24
Speaker 5: those consequences, which is, you know, nothing compared to what
41:27
Speaker 5: Jewish Australians are facing at the moment.
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Speaker 1: I've got to say, I mean, look, I was surprised
41:34
Speaker 1: to see the lawyer so voluble about his tipping his defence.
41:40
Speaker 1: Then again, he seems a clever guy, and maybe there's
41:42
Speaker 1: a really clever media strategy going on or legal strategy,
41:46
Speaker 1: and we shall see how that all unfolds. But what
41:51
Speaker 1: did you make of this? I'm not sure what it is. Well,
41:56
Speaker 1: I'm the lawyer, and believe me, I have learned to
41:58
Speaker 1: my cost that the lawyer is in our Yes, Louise,
42:01
Speaker 1: what do you make of all this? I mean, I
42:04
Speaker 1: thought there was no need for these guys to be
42:07
Speaker 1: an all intimidatory black and shades and acting like you know,
42:12
Speaker 1: they're at war with the representatives of this wider society.
42:16
Speaker 1: At least that's how I saw it. What did you
42:17
Speaker 1: think of it?
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Speaker 14: Well, court precincts andrew like the Downing Center are meant
42:22
Speaker 14: to be dignified and respectful places, so there's no room
42:25
Speaker 14: for a circus like this. And I think if the
42:27
Speaker 14: objective was to get miss Lebder into the court and
42:30
Speaker 14: out of the court in a calm and respectful manner,
42:33
Speaker 14: I mean clearly that didn't work because there's all that
42:36
Speaker 14: pushing and shoving.
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Speaker 12: I mean.
42:37
Speaker 14: I spoke to Caroline Marcus earlier this evening, who, of course,
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Speaker 14: as you know, is a highly experienced reporter, but even
42:42
Speaker 14: she thought it was completely over the top the way
42:46
Speaker 14: this individual was taken in and out of the court.
42:48
Speaker 14: And she told me that at one point miss Lebder
42:50
Speaker 14: was in a headlock as they tried to get her
42:52
Speaker 14: into a car to avoid her being photographed. So completely unnecessary,
42:57
Speaker 14: and it just paused more to onto the case. If
43:01
Speaker 14: they were trying to be quite about it, it clearly
43:03
Speaker 14: did not work.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a touch one touch or mentality which
43:09
Speaker 1: I didn't like at all. I know we've seen this
43:11
Speaker 1: for people of other ethnic groups or mainstream groups. I
43:16
Speaker 1: don't know how I would say it, but really that
43:18
Speaker 1: struck me as a very false note. I have to
43:23
Speaker 1: think the ABC. I couldn't believe that you changed the
43:29
Speaker 1: host of this media watch show, but you still get
43:31
Speaker 1: the same failings. It seems keen on censorship of views
43:36
Speaker 1: that the ABC doesn't share, or at least one of them.
43:40
Speaker 1: This is an ad on the front page of The
43:43
Speaker 1: Age by Clive Palmer that there are only two genders,
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Speaker 1: male or female. Weill Media Watch hosts Linton Bessis's the
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Speaker 1: newspaper should have censored it.
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Speaker 12: Here is nine Entertainment, not the news. Remind you should
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Speaker 12: have told Palmer to write in the dog whistling and
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Speaker 12: articulate a political point, or shove this yellow ad back
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Speaker 12: into his trumpet?
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Speaker 1: Is he right that the paper should never have run
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Speaker 1: that ad.
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Speaker 5: I found it very amusing that there was The Age
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Speaker 5: waxing lyrical in an editorial in terms of how offensive
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Speaker 5: the ad was whilst running the ad themselves, which they
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Speaker 5: then turned into the most magnificent spin, saying they were
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Speaker 5: outraged and they did it to demonstrate that they're not
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Speaker 5: curtailing free speech, but you know they're outraged at the content.
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Speaker 5: And of course Newcastle Herald owned by Anthony Ktlano's Australian
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Speaker 5: community media. Advertising is advertising and never the twine shall
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Speaker 5: meet between advertising and editorial and Clive Palmer is entitled
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Speaker 5: to pitch to the market that he wants to pitch to,
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Speaker 5: and if you're a major party trying to gain minority
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Speaker 5: government on either side. Palmer achieved five percent of the
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Speaker 5: vote in Queensland at the twenty twenty two election. We
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Speaker 5: all talk about Western Australia and the Coalition losing votes
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Speaker 5: in Western Australia due to backing Clive Palmer in the
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Speaker 5: High Court challenge, but his vote in WA was only
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Speaker 5: two point three percent. Queensland's a battleground at five percent,
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Speaker 5: as for New South Wales where you know it's so
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Speaker 5: offensive in the Newcastle Herald, the Palma vote there was
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Speaker 5: only two point three percent. He's got a market, he
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Speaker 5: knows who he's pitching to, and he also knows that
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Speaker 5: it's going to result in confected outrage from other media
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Speaker 5: organizations that you know, as even the ABC admitted when
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Speaker 5: they too were amplifying it will amplify it.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny that the ABC thinks, or at least
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Speaker 1: the Media Work Show thinks that an opinion should be censored,
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Speaker 1: which I think if you actually are the vast majority
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Speaker 1: of Australia's probably best in private would actually endorse that message.
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Speaker 1: What did you think they're Louise, Well.
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Speaker 14: Look, Clive's ads are as subtle as a sledgehammil let's face,
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Speaker 14: and you know, as we've said, they're effective because people
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Speaker 14: talk about them. But in a way, I thought Media
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Speaker 14: Watch was about calling out dodgy reporting things like that,
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Speaker 14: not actually being an arbiter on free speech or saying
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Speaker 14: which opinions are correct and which opinions you should actually
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Speaker 14: have telling people what to think. But they seem to
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Speaker 14: veered a bit into that territory, which is a bit.
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Speaker 1: A bit worrying. Oh look that it's absolutely correct. That's
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Speaker 1: been my beef with the Media Watch for a long time.
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Speaker 1: It really is a policeman of ideas now, not a
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Speaker 1: policeman of bad or good journalism. I think that's exactly correct.
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Speaker 1: Christopher Sweeney, Louise Roberts, thank you very much to you both.
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Speaker 1: I want to finish on something. You know, I've been
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Speaker 1: criticizing the Liberal Party and I did it again in
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Speaker 1: my newspaper columns that in the news court papers tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: This one thing that's done that I don't think it's
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Speaker 1: going to get any credit for at all, Probably wouldn't
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Speaker 1: even and it's costed hundreds of millions of dollars. The
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Speaker 1: Coalition government, if it's elected, will double the number of
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Speaker 1: Medicare subsidized mental health sessions. Might not sound anything to you,
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Speaker 1: What do you care? It's going to double them from
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Speaker 1: ten to twenty now. They used to be twenty, but
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Speaker 1: Labor of all parties cut it back to ten.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why it matters, and I really feel
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Speaker 1: strongly about because I'm close to someone who deals with
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Speaker 1: people that need exactly that psychological counseling. They're often poor person.
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Speaker 1: This person is dealing with people that this person's dealing with.
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Speaker 1: They're often very poor, very broken. They're dealing with things
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Speaker 1: like having to admit that they were raped as a
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Speaker 1: child by their father or whatever, dealing with everything that's
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Speaker 1: come the catastrophes of life. Since how many sessions do
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Speaker 1: you think it would take to even get them to
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Speaker 1: first admit for the first thing to Estranger what they've
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Speaker 1: gone through. I tell you ten is probably about when
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Speaker 1: they first start trying to deal with what's really bothering them.
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Speaker 1: They don't come up and say I've been abused and
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Speaker 1: that's why my life's a mess. You've got to dig
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Speaker 1: down to it. I think this is one of the
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Speaker 1: most wonderful things. There's a lot of people in Australia
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Speaker 1: who have broken people who don't get a say, get
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Speaker 1: almost nothing, live from hand to mouth. This is one
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Speaker 1: crucial way of helping them and I don't think that's
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Speaker 1: going to be a vote in it. So I thought
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Speaker 1: I will just end this show today to say to
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton, thank you for at least caring. This is
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Speaker 1: so important to people you never hear from. That's it
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Speaker 1: from me. Sharing March is up next. Good night,