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3/11/26: Jake Tapper Crashes Out On Ryan, Americans Says War Is For Epstein & Israel, Bill Maher Praises Iran War · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: Controversy as ever is swirling around New York City Mayor
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  Speaker 3: Zoron Mamdani and actually also a little bit around as
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  Speaker 3: ever Ryan Grimm and the bugs over at drop site,
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  Speaker 3: who are at the center of this controversy. Ryan Zora
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  Speaker 3: Mamdani hosted mahmou Khalil. Zora Mamdani's wife is now having
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  Speaker 3: an Instagram autopsy conduct did of her likes in CNN
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  Speaker 3: is apparently fueling some of this are covering it seriously.
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  Speaker 4: People are very upset.
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  Speaker 5: At you, and people are always upset at me.
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  Speaker 3: That's true, yeah, and not always without reason, mostly without reason,
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  Speaker 3: not always without reason.
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  Speaker 5: The haters are swirling.
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  Speaker 6: The New York Times and CNN have yes absolutely completely
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  Speaker 6: and totally lost their minds. My theory and what we're
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  Speaker 6: going to talk about Why this I think matters because
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  Speaker 6: it's reshaping the.
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  Speaker 5: Way that the kind of news is delivered.
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  Speaker 6: My theory on what's going on here is that Marco
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  Speaker 6: Rubio I think drove some people completely insane when he
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  Speaker 6: said out loud that the reason we attacked Iran right
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  Speaker 6: now is because Israel was going to attack.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, well, and Mike Johnson, and.
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  Speaker 6: Mike Johnson said the same thing, and then Tom Cotton
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  Speaker 6: went on and he said the same thing. So all
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  Speaker 6: of these people have said that Israel is a reason
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  Speaker 6: that we went to war when we did, and the
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  Speaker 6: public is against this war by twenty plus point. Margins
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  Speaker 6: doesn't understand, thinks it will make their lives worse, doesn't
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  Speaker 6: understand why we're doing it, thinks it's in Israeli interest
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  Speaker 6: and not ours, And so think you gotta gin up
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  Speaker 6: a little bit of distractive hatred towards Muslims if you can,
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  Speaker 6: and who better to go after than zoron Mom Donnie
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  Speaker 6: all of so this this kicked off and if you
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  Speaker 6: can throw in mood khalil, oh boy, So this kicked
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  Speaker 6: off with a quiet story March sixth published and Jewish
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  Speaker 6: Insider we can put up here. I follow their reporting
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  Speaker 6: very closely because if you follow it, I'm sure you do,
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  Speaker 6: you're gonna know what's coming in the days ahead. And
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  Speaker 6: also their coverage of primary campaigns is very good too,
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  Speaker 6: Like if when they start flagging a particular candidate as
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  Speaker 6: a bad person.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, interesting that is they always use the word alarmed.
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  Speaker 6: It'll say like apact owners alarmed at so and so,
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  Speaker 6: and then within weeks like there are fake APAX super
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  Speaker 6: PACs spending money against this person. So it's like a
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  Speaker 6: very it's an early warning sign about like where what's
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  Speaker 6: going on? So this was an earlier warning sign like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: for some reason, rama Duaci, Zoran mam Donnie's wife is
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  Speaker 6: going to be the target of a campaign coming forward,
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  Speaker 6: And sure enough was so their headline was Zoran Mam
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  Speaker 6: Donnie's wife liked social media posts celebrating October seventh attacks.
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  Speaker 6: And you squint and you're like wait a minute, because
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  Speaker 6: you know, in this world we are. The algorithms are
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  Speaker 6: constantly serving us very old stories, and you don't want
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  Speaker 6: to be one of those unks that like share something
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  Speaker 6: that's like a year and a half.
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  Speaker 5: Hold right, yes, like that You're not enough, like unk,
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  Speaker 5: this is stories eighteen months old? Why are you sharing this?
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  Speaker 3: And you're like, oh god, one of those unks a
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  Speaker 3: memoir by Ryan.
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  Speaker 5: Such a boomer.
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  Speaker 6: So you squint, You're like, oh no, yes, this is
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  Speaker 6: about October twenty twenty three, but they are writing it
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  Speaker 6: to day. It is like the date on this is
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  Speaker 6: March sixth, twenty twenty six. And we can put some
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  Speaker 6: of the actual Instagram posts up towards the end. But
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  Speaker 6: they do this thing where they euphemistically or just kind
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  Speaker 6: of generally describe them as anti Israel or anti Semitic even,
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  Speaker 6: and you look at the actual posts and they're like
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  Speaker 6: entirely defensible things that like the broad swaths of the
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  Speaker 6: public would agree with that, like torture prisons, Like for instance,
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  Speaker 6: like they talk about a torture camp, which was written
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  Speaker 6: about by Betsalem, the Israeli human rights group, which you know,
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  Speaker 6: they kind of referred to as like an Israeli version
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  Speaker 6: of a concentration camp, and they call that Holocaust in version, Like,
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  Speaker 6: how dare you use any of the language that is
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  Speaker 6: derived from the Holocaust to describe what Israel is doing
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  Speaker 6: to people inside Palestinians inside of Israel? Whereas when you
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  Speaker 6: look at what they're actually doing, it's like, well, a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people like think that torture, like routine daily
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  Speaker 6: torture is bad.
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  Speaker 3: There are a couple of these posts, I think are
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about Instagram likes.
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  Speaker 4: It's already but a couple of the posts.
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  Speaker 3: There's one where you see a bulldozer breaking down the
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  Speaker 3: wall on October seventh, and it says breaking the walls
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  Speaker 3: of apartheid and military occupation October seven, twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 3: systemic change for collective liberation. There's another one where it's
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  Speaker 3: like kids on an IDF vehicle and it says punished
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  Speaker 3: for wanting it's referring to Palestinians. It says, punished for
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  Speaker 3: wanting freedom from apartheid. I understand people might disagree with
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  Speaker 3: me on this, and I think it's, you know, again,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about years old Instagram likes at this point.
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  Speaker 3: The man was democratically elected the mayor of New York
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  Speaker 3: City a.
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  Speaker 4: Couple of them.
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  Speaker 3: I think when you're on October set, like the one
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  Speaker 3: of these Instagram posts was literally on October seventh. Two
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  Speaker 3: of them, actually, the ones that I just mentioned were
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  Speaker 3: on October seventh, I think that reflects some poor But
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  Speaker 3: I you know that that's an argument that we could have.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 6: Mom Donnie, in a statement to JEWSIH Insider, said, uh,
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  Speaker 6: his spokespersion Mayor Mom Donnie has been clear and consistent.
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  Speaker 5: Hamas is a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 6: October seventh was a horrific war crime, and he has
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  Speaker 6: condemned that violence unequivocally. And and so to be clear,
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  Speaker 6: like what she's doing is is different there.
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  Speaker 5: What she's saying is that she sees.
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  Speaker 6: This as a as resistance to occupation and to apartheid.
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  Speaker 3: I just think, to me, it feels like it's very
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  Speaker 3: close to celebrating violence, which I would not do if
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  Speaker 3: it's the United States in Iran, right like or Israel in.
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  Speaker 4: Iran, right.
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  Speaker 5: But if you did, you would not be condemned like that.
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  Speaker 4: You absolutely completely agree with it, right.
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  Speaker 6: So anyway, so this is so let's even let's even say,
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  Speaker 6: just for the sake of this argument, that these are
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  Speaker 6: terrible problems posts. I don't necessarily think they are, but
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  Speaker 6: let's let's just say the sake of this segment that
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  Speaker 6: they are. So did so how how did How did
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  Speaker 6: CNN in the New York Times kind of kind of
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  Speaker 6: respond respond to this?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you start seeing the free press pick up.
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  Speaker 6: Olivia Reinhold starts doing she went through and I guess
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  Speaker 6: found more Instagram likes that she found problematic. So Jake
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  Speaker 6: Tapper then decides that he's going to do a segment
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  Speaker 6: and he's going to bring on we now know Sam
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  Speaker 6: Seedter talked about that it was going to be Olivia
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  Speaker 6: Rainold and Sam Ceter discussing the mayor's wife's Instagram likes.
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  Speaker 4: Now I would watch that segment.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's good for YouTube. I think it's embarrassing
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  Speaker 6: for news. So D three, here's Olivia talking about the
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  Speaker 6: getting bumped and I think basically by Trump because he
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  Speaker 6: talked he did like a long press conference kind of
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  Speaker 6: preamp to the show.
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  Speaker 5: Here's Olivia Reinhold.
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  Speaker 4: I was supposed to.
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  Speaker 7: Go on CNN tonight to debate my latest reporting on
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  Speaker 7: the instagram likes. Ramaduaji, that is the wife of Mayor
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  Speaker 7: z Or on mom Donnie. The debate got canceled, but
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  Speaker 7: these are the points I was going to make.
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  Speaker 4: One.
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  Speaker 7: I wanted to just get into the extreme nature of
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  Speaker 7: the posts that his wife was liking. These were not
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  Speaker 7: your average pro Palestine posts. These were way more anti
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  Speaker 7: Israel than they were pro Palestine. There was a post
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  Speaker 7: celebrating October seventh, there was another one doubting whether women
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  Speaker 7: had really been raped on October seventh, and there was
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  Speaker 7: even one that showed Holocaust in version. The next thing
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  Speaker 7: I wanted to address was mom Donnie's response that his
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  Speaker 7: wife is a quote private person or private citizen, if
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  Speaker 7: that is a standard. I've never heard of that before,
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  Speaker 7: Because does anyone remember when Justice Alito's wife hung the
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  Speaker 7: flag upside down and there were zillion articles about that.
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  Speaker 7: What about Milania when she wore that jacket that said
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  Speaker 7: I don't really care, do you?
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  Speaker 4: That was right.
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  Speaker 7: Who you decide to marry is one of the most
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  Speaker 7: important decisions you can make. Your husband or your wife
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  Speaker 7: is the first person that you see in the morning
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  Speaker 7: and then the last person you see in the day.
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  Speaker 7: So it's fair to say that it says a thing
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  Speaker 7: or two about you. That is why this is a
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  Speaker 7: story that is what makes the Instagram likes of Ramaduwaji
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  Speaker 7: newsworthy is not because of her, It's because of who
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  Speaker 7: she's married to. And so that was my main question
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  Speaker 7: is just does the mayor agree with these sentiments? And
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  Speaker 7: he still hasn't answered that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, so who agreed with that? None other than Jake
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  Speaker 6: Tapper at CNN. So even though his segment was canceled
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  Speaker 6: between Olivia and Sam Cedar, he brought it back together
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  Speaker 6: the next day, and so it seems like his justification
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  Speaker 6: for it was the mayor invited Mahmud Khalil for nith
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  Speaker 6: tard dinner and Gracie Manchin saying, Mackmoud Khalila, New Yorker.
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  Speaker 6: He belongs to New York. Let's put a put on
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  Speaker 6: an Instagram picture and you know this, it marked a
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  Speaker 6: year since he'd been detained as the as the mediator
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  Speaker 6: between He was the mediator between Columbia University and the
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  Speaker 6: and the protesters and spent a long time in prison
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  Speaker 6: Trump trying to deport him. In the photo was mom
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  Speaker 6: Donnie's wife. It's like, aha, she she eats dinner at
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  Speaker 6: the mansion. Right there, gotcha, Now we can do a
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  Speaker 6: segment on you. So let's it was so, I have
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  Speaker 6: no we should be surprised at the kind of basement
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  Speaker 6: level expectations for CNN. I was shocked at this segment,
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  Speaker 6: like genuinely appalled, Like wow, let's roll a little bit
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  Speaker 6: of this.
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  Speaker 5: Jake Tapper.
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  Speaker 6: It's Jake Tapper, Jonah Goldberg, and Karen Finny because they
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  Speaker 6: gave up on the idea of having somebody like Sam
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  Speaker 6: Seeter come on and actually put put up the opposing side.
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  Speaker 6: Just three of them, just trashing all the mayor, his
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  Speaker 6: wife and mack Mud Khalil.
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  Speaker 5: Let's roll a little bit of it with.
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  Speaker 8: A high profile Palestinian activist detained and released by ICE.
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  Speaker 8: The mayor writes, quote, we marked the one year anniversary
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  Speaker 8: of detention.
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  Speaker 5: Rama and I were honored.
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  Speaker 8: To welcome Mackmood meaning Machmud Khalil, nor and their son
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  Speaker 8: Dean to Gracie Manson to break our fast together. It
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  Speaker 8: is Ramadan. Machmud is a New Yorker and he belongs
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  Speaker 8: to New York City.
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  Speaker 5: Unquote.
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  Speaker 8: Now you might remember mach Mun Khalil as the anti
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  Speaker 8: Israel protester from Columbia University.
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  Speaker 9: To say the least, I get the talking point. Part
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  Speaker 9: of my problem is that we live in a culture
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  Speaker 9: now that the second you're discriminated against or the face
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  Speaker 9: state action because you're doing because of your First Amendment
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  Speaker 9: right exercise, it makes you a martyr, makes you kind
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  Speaker 9: of a hero. This guy's not a hero, he's a Potts.
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  Speaker 10: The organization that he was part of.
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  Speaker 9: Just got into trouble at the beginning of this war
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  Speaker 9: by tweeting out death to America. The organization was pro
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  Speaker 9: hamas it was. He and theation defended the ten to
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  Speaker 9: seven attacks in pretty explicit terms. And this comes on
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  Speaker 9: the heel of this other controversy of Zoramandani's wife being
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  Speaker 9: revealed to have liked a whole bunch of social media
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  Speaker 9: posts saying that the mass rapes were all a hoax
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  Speaker 9: and that Amasa was justified and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 9: The Klan marching and Skokie weren't heroes. We didn't treat
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  Speaker 9: them as heroes for doing that.
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  Speaker 4: You're right, your adn't disagree. We're there.
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  Speaker 8: Mayor Mamdani is a very smart guy and he had
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  Speaker 8: to have known that, having Mahmud khalil. Not because of
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  Speaker 8: the First Amendment issue, which I think we all probably
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  Speaker 8: agree with, like, you know, people have the First.
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  Speaker 5: Amendment rights in this country.
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  Speaker 8: But the other issue of what he and his group
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  Speaker 8: did at Columbia University, what they stand for now, he
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  Speaker 8: had to have known it would upset people.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and I think that this is the other piece,
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  Speaker 3: just speaking politically again, given that you're exactly right, and
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  Speaker 3: it plays into the fears that people had before he
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  Speaker 3: was elected.
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  Speaker 5: And there you have it.
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  Speaker 6: He had to have known it upset people, Like that
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  Speaker 6: is Jake Tapper's objection here.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, that's what a protest is. At least
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  Speaker 4: I was under that impression.
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  Speaker 6: He invited macmou Khalil to dinner even though he knew
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  Speaker 6: it would upset Jake Tapper that like also, so the
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  Speaker 6: smears against macmu Khalil in there, he's like the sweetest,
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  Speaker 6: most non violent guy. He's not affiliated with this group anymore.
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  Speaker 6: And whatever affiliation he had this that he's saying, like
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  Speaker 6: said death to America or whatever, he's not affiliated with
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  Speaker 6: that group. The all they can do is like find
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  Speaker 6: some group that's affiliated with a group that he was
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  Speaker 6: affiliated with until one point said something on Instagram that
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  Speaker 6: was like right, some leftists over the top thing.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: That's all they've that's all they've gotten.
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  Speaker 6: And the reason that he was chosen as the mediator
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  Speaker 6: is that he's the kind of guy that everybody respects
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  Speaker 6: and that there are a lot of people that are
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  Speaker 6: much more further to his his left.
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  Speaker 3: And the Trump administration was making a very different argument
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  Speaker 3: from what Joanah Goldberg and Jake We're making in that segment.
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  Speaker 3: The Trump administration was making the argument that he's not
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  Speaker 3: a US citizen and if you have a visa to
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  Speaker 3: study in the United States. They were making this argument,
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  Speaker 3: you are undermined. I mean, it's a ridiculous argument, but
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  Speaker 3: you're undermining US foreign policy as a non citizen by
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  Speaker 3: agitating against in an academic setting, against US foreign policy.
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  Speaker 3: They were making a more charitable version of that argument
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  Speaker 3: as well, which would be if you're coming in the
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  Speaker 3: US on a visa and what you're spending your time doing,
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  Speaker 3: this is how Marco Rubia would describe it as protesting
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  Speaker 3: against the United States.
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  Speaker 4: Bad deported.
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  Speaker 3: They're making a different argument, though, they're making an argument
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  Speaker 3: that it's not just as though he must be deported
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  Speaker 3: because he's undermining US foreign policy by being anti American
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  Speaker 3: they're making this argument that Mamu Khalil is a hate figure,
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  Speaker 3: and that's actually different from what the trumpet I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, there was at.
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  Speaker 6: One point Jonah Goldberg called him an outright apologist for terrorism,
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  Speaker 6: just like just not like, that is not true about
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  Speaker 6: mac mu.
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  Speaker 3: Khalid unless you have a very broad definition of what
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  Speaker 3: counts as being an apologist for terrorism.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: They keep getting mad at him because I think on
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  Speaker 6: Ezra Klein, he said that, you know, something like October
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  Speaker 6: seventh was bound to happen if you continue to oppress
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  Speaker 6: people for many decades, and somehow that is like considered
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  Speaker 6: to be a beyond a pale thing to say. It's like,
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  Speaker 6: even though it's like just a basic statement about the
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  Speaker 6: fundamental nature of humanity and the drive for liberation and
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  Speaker 6: opposition to oppression, It's like that shouldn't be remotely surprising.
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  Speaker 6: And so so they also so the New York Times,
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  Speaker 6: of course, has to get in on this action. So
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  Speaker 6: let's start with d six here actually, because this is
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  Speaker 6: absolutely completely insane. So an article by Dana Rubinstein here,
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  Speaker 6: who covers the mayor. She writes, this is the lead
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  Speaker 6: of the article. In the days after a homemade bomb
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  Speaker 6: laced with metal was hurled into a highly charged protest
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  Speaker 6: near his official residence in Manhattan. Mayor Zoron Mamdani did
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  Speaker 6: not turn to his typical means of communication. There were
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  Speaker 6: no short form videos post to social media about the
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  Speaker 6: attacks in front of Gracie Mansion, where mister Mamdani lives
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  Speaker 6: with his wife, Rama Duwaji. There were no impassioned speeches.
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  Speaker 6: Mister mam Donnie chose an alternative path two deliberate written statements.
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  Speaker 6: So the criticism here, But is that Mam Donnie, after
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  Speaker 6: people saw this news, after there was an ied thrown
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  Speaker 6: in front of Gracie Mansion at a protest by two
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  Speaker 6: like isis inspired terrorists, he did not do a TikTok
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  Speaker 6: that He didn't do a short form flashy video like
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  Speaker 6: he used to do for the campaign. Since he's become mayor,
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  Speaker 6: I think he's done three of those videos total, because
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  Speaker 6: he is a normal human being. When something tragic happens,
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  Speaker 6: he's not going to do a flashy TikTok about it.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 6: I had to read that a couple times before his response,
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  Speaker 6: but it was, you know, should he have done a TikTok?
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  Speaker 4: No, he shouldn't have done a TikTok, but I.
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  Speaker 5: Had to read that a couple of times.
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  Speaker 6: You notice you put it put it back up again
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  Speaker 6: real quickly if you If you have it, notice that
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  Speaker 6: in the second sentence, Notice who they mentioned here in
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  Speaker 6: front of Gracie Mansion where mister mom Donnie lives with
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: his wife Rama Duagi. This is the New York Times
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: desperately wanting a piece of the story. We don't need
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: you to tell us that he lives with his wife.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: We know he lives with his wife. Secondly, why what
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: does no matter what her name is? Even Let's let's
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: say that the normal New York Times reader is so
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: stupid that they don't know that a husband lives with
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: their wife, and the same thay, they don't know that,
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: and they need to be told that in the second
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: freaking sentence of the article. But they also need to
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: know what her name is. Clearly, what's happening here is
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: this is the New York Times. They want a piece
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: of this Instagram likes action, but they know it would
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: debase the paper too much to put Instagram likes in
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: a headline like Jewish Insider free press. They don't mind
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: putting the phrase Instagram likes in a headline breaking points,
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: we have no pride.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: We'll do it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: But like the New York Times, they have some like
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: some version of self respect.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Well you know what this is.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, here's inside baseball when you're I'm sure they
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: have some type of version of word press. That's the
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: is the New York Times back end, and it will
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: SEO optimize, like the AI will SEO optimize.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: That's funny. Well that was it though.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, because you guys use subsex, you probably don't
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: use WordPress. But it will automatically do it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Like how do we hook this into the story?
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: There's like a red light, yellow light, green light.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: And so if you know that people are googling Rama Duagi,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: or even if you don't, the AI knows it, and
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: so you can keep adding keywords and stuff too. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: if you put her name in, you can get in
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the SEO. When Google news is aggregating and people are
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: googling Rama Duagi because people are googling and seeing it
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: on Instagram, then they can click on the New York
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Times story.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: That's my conspiracy for sure. They clearly want to get
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: in that stream. Now you might might disagree about this,
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: but I'm curious, so we'll see.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: So this same reporter.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: Then shows up at a press conference and asks mom Donnie,
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: what his message is to potential ISIS terrorists.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Let's roll D five here.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 11: So, given that both of the alleged attackers at Gracie
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: were said they were inspired by ISIS, and given New
• 19:51
  Speaker 11: York City's sort of perennial status as a soft target,
• 19:55
  Speaker 11: I was wondering if you had any you know, words
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: of advice to any young people who might find themselves
• 20:00
  Speaker 11: being drawn to that particular ideology.
• 20:03
  Speaker 12: I think, first and foremost, just to make it clear
• 20:06
  Speaker 12: to everyone that extremism and hatred of any kind will
• 20:11
  Speaker 12: not be tolerated in our city. And that is regardless
• 20:19
  Speaker 12: of whatever ideology motivates any person to commit an act
• 20:22
  Speaker 12: of violence, there is no tolerance for it here. What
• 20:25
  Speaker 12: we want to deliver to New Yorkers is a city
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: that is safe, is a city that believes in the values,
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: where everyone who calls at home is considered to be
• 20:33
  Speaker 12: a part of it. There is no tolerance for any
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: kind of violence within that vision of our city or
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: the way in which we lead this city.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: All right, Emily to me.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: That New York Times same New York Times reporter that
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: did that piece saying why didn't he do a TikTok
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: implying that, like, I don't know what she's trying to imply, saying,
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: what are your words of advice for young young men
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: attracted isis? Like me, that's like, why, like you think
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: that a young man who is attracted to isis. I
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: don't know how to tell her this is not is
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: not listening to Mom Donnie at that point. They are
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: so far gone from that they think Mam Donnie is
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: heradic At that point of course, you have like the
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: only way you can, from my perspective, have that view
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: is that, oh, well, isis is Muslim?
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Mam Donnie's Muslim. It's all basically the same.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: They do it with like I'm sure I would have
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: to go back and look, but they do it with
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: like right quote unquote white right wing like white nationalist, extremist,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Christian whatever all the time too. And it's the media
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: trying to shoehorn some type of story into like tying
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: someone together to the narrative big story of the day.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: And no, I think it's stupid. It's completely like the
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: idea that those.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Radical apparently isis followers who are throwing explosive devices outside
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Gracie Mansion at what seemed to be like fringe right
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: wing protesters.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: We're doing it on behalf of Zara maam Dani is bizarre.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: It's the predicate of the question is so weird and
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I think you're right, reflects this very legacy media, corporate
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: media cartoonish understanding of how extremism works.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree with you, and so Jake Tapper.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: So there is a war on like the US and
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Israel at war with Iran right now. So he dedicated
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: one segment to Macmodkhalil having dinner and the wife's Instagram posts.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: He then did a separate segment. This is the same
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: day that he decided to call share a post calling
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Drop site news propaganda and fake news. He invited on
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: and Israeli analyst who proudly talks about her links to
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Israeli intelligence, to ask them, you know what, I don't want.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: To spoil it for you here, Let's roll a little
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: bit of d eight here.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: Emily, you've been talking to Iranians on the ground about
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: the strikes and about Iranian leadership going forward. How do
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: the Iranians you're talking to, how do they see the
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: future unfolding in Iran?
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: Of course, there's a lot of uncertainty, and there's a
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: lot of problems with the Internet still being shut off,
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: although there is some limited use with Starlink and limited
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: other options. But by and large, the responses from Iranians
• 23:37
  Speaker 13: that I've spoken to has been overwhelmingly in favor of
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: the United States and Israeli action on the ground. They're
• 23:45
  Speaker 13: very happy that regime targets, many of them the centers
• 23:48
  Speaker 13: of suppression of the Iranian people. Many of these besiege
• 23:52
  Speaker 13: IRGC bases and forces are in fact being targeted, so
• 23:56
  Speaker 13: they're happy about that. The main complaint that I'm hearing
• 23:59
  Speaker 13: right now on the grind is that they're witnessing personally
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: witnessing IERGC troops moving into schools and mosques. I've received
• 24:07
  Speaker 13: a plethora of photos from Iranians on the ground of
• 24:10
  Speaker 13: exactly that, moving both the force, the manpower and weapons
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: and equipment into school areas. So this is something very concerning.
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: It's not new, it is a tactic of the Islamic
• 24:21
  Speaker 13: regime and their proxy forces, but it's definitely concerning for
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: the future, and of course there is some questioning about
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: what President Trump does intend for the leadership the United
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: call from the Iranian people on the ground is that
• 24:33
  Speaker 13: they want the Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi to lead a
• 24:36
  Speaker 13: transition government. After that go to a national referendum. Well,
• 24:40
  Speaker 13: they will choose the system of government. But it's not
• 24:42
  Speaker 13: clear yet where Trump stands on that issue. And we
• 24:45
  Speaker 13: heard it in his press conference as well, he prefers
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: someone inside. The problem is it isn't Venezuela. It's not
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: the same system, and you have to deconstruct that system,
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: the IERGC, in order to have genuine change and stability.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: Interesting stuff, So, Emily, can you imagine if Iranian State
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: TV brought on an Iranian analyst who said he had
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: ties to Iranian intelligence and they asked him, how are
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: the Israeli's feeling about the Iranian bombing campaign on Israel.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: First of all, you'd.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: Be like, Okay, this is this is amazing. I'm just
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: gonna watch to see what the guy says at this point.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: And let's say the guy says, all the Israelis that
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: I'm talking to, they're so grateful for the Iranian bombing.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: They hate and net in Yahoo they hate Lakud, They
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: look forward to liberation. And they have told us that
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: the IDF is now hiding in synagogues and in schools
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: and in hospitals. So if you start to see news
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: that the Iranians are bombing the civilian infrastructure, just know
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: that our sources in Israel have told us that the
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: IDF is hiding in the school and sittagogues and the hospitals.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: And so because that's what they do, they hide among
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: the civilian population. They have their as we know, we
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: have their headquarters in Tel Aviv, well underground. Can you
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: imagine like a state like I don't I think Iranian
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: State TV.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Would not even think to run a segment like that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: I don't know, to have an Iranian spy say that
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: the Israelis love getting bombed. Maybe they would maybe creative,
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: Maybe maybe they would try.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: That it is creative. You'd have to give them that.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: So yeah, so according to this Israeli intel linked analysts, ah,
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: the Iranians are very happy.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: It's crazy how the same playbook just gets reused over
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: and over again. I mean, we were don't like this
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: is what was happening in the lead up to the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Iraq War. It was over a longer period of time,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: but it was like, yeah, and it has real consequences
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: because when you talk to people on the right now,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: specifically in the right, how many times you hear people
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: citing information like that as one of the reasons that
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: makes them more.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Comfortable, right right, Like it's grateful for it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Very real world, very real world consequences. And it's kind
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: of gross too, because in a sense, it's exploiting the
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: goodwill of a lot of Americans who, whatever you think of,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: you know, the leader's decisions, the decisions leaders have made
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: over the last twenty or so years, there are a
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: lot of normal Americans who do want to be like
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: quote liberators, who have a good reason for wanting to
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: see people free whatever whatever. Again, you and I look
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: at that much more cynically than a lot of normal
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: people do, and do just want to see like people
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: around the world be free and happy and whatever. You
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: and I are cynical about that for good reasons. Many
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: people are cynical about that for good reasons. But it
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: makes it even grosser to me because it feels exploitive
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: of this like instinct among normal Americans to see people
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: be freed from oppression.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gross.
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: By the way, the New York Times responded when you
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: put up D seven speaking of debasing themselves or and
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: they were in my replies here on Twitter saying they said,
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: this is in response to the Dana Rubinstein article criticizing.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Mamdani for not doing a TikTok.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: The Times report quote The Times reporting covered the mayor's
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: comments and their careful, measured nature fairly and accurately, including
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: the departure from his more direct and engaged messaging strategy
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: during his election campaign, to which and say like, Okay,
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: do you think that a election campaign and a terrorist
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: attack are the same thing? Do you think campaigning and
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: governing are the same thing? If you think that those
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: if you think campaigning and a terrorist attack are different things,
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: why would it be notable for a politician to have
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: different responses to different things. I think that Times is very,
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: very confused. So anyway, that's and this kind of all
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: kicked off and we don't need to really get into this.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: Tapper was coming out after us because.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Tapper and lots of others and lots of it was
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: a pylon.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, saying over the October seventh sexual assault stuff, which
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: is starting to feel like kind of a lab league
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: moment in some quarters. And what I mean by that
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: is that the mainstream media has never basically acknowledged that
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: COVID came out.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: Of the WUHANLU.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: There have been some articles that have gotten kind of
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: close to it, but in general, the kind of mainstream
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: media is they've left it at It's probably the batsuit
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: that they were slinging in that wet market. Ye, the pangolins, Yeah,
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: well whatever, it was some kind of weird animals that
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: those you know, crazy hicks out in Muhan eat.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: So yet if you do a survey, huge majorities say.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: No, no, it came out of the Wuhan Coronavirus lab,
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: like we're not stupid, Like that's where we think it
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: came out of. I feel like this is becoming a
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: similar thing now. There are huge swaths of the public
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: that don't have that have not studied this question and
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: have not looked closely at it, and they're going to believe. Oh,
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: the Guardian and the New York Times have said there
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: was systemic sexual assault, So there was, But a massive
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: number of people have actually looked at it, have read
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: the actual reports, and have noticed that there are not
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: any like victims who have said.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: That it happened to them.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: That the all of the claims that there was forensic
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: evidence and video evidence and photographs that were made at
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: the beginning, those all uh, those all those never materialized,
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: like none of none of that actually has emerged.
• 31:19
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: And and you're left with this United Nations, you know,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: Permeila patent report that says that there is there are
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: quote reasonable grounds to believe that it happened, and that's true.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Which you've agreed with, of course, I've been here next
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: to you for years.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: You've always agreed.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: With that chaos and violence.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: Of course, that that alone are is reasonable grounds to
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: believe that something may have happened. That is different than
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: saying this happened. Now what people will say as well,
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: it's it's conflict and like people, some people, some of
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: the victims were killed perhaps so they can't testify.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: And Jewish burial customs and the like.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: And so the point to that real challenge, which is
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: which conflicts with the earlier claims that they're was you know,
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: forensic evidence collected.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: But if you if you look at all of the.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Other conflicts where there has been systemic sexual assault, whether
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: it's Rwanda or Mayan mar or Sudan, there are.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: So many named victims and so much evidence.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: This would be the first case of systemic sexual assault
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: carried out in a conflict zone that left.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: No evidence to support it. I mean, I guess there can.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: Always be a first, but this would be the only
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: time that's ever happened. Every time it has happened before,
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: there are there are people who credibly witnessed it, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: there are people who were survivors of it, who talk
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: about it, who's and whose names you know you can find,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: and who speak to human rights groups, et cetera.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: We we just we don't have that here.
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: And so they also point to this thing called the
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: Dina Project Report, which is jointly a UK.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: And Israel project. Go look at the Dina Project Report.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: It spends most of its time arguing that the previous
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: evidentiary standards that have been applied to these types of
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: situations should be thrown out in this case, and that
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: I witnessed testimony, forensic evidence, etc. Shouldn't be needed and instead,
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: I know this is hard to believe, but go read
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: the report because people link to it all the time.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: Look at the Dina Project report. This makes our case.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: Look at the actual Dena Project report. What they argue
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: is that you should be able to use deduction and
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: circumstantial evidence to make your case. So according to the
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: Dina Project report, which is the thing constantly being cited
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: by people to establish that it definitively happened, their base
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: their claims on deduction and circumstantial evidence. Maybe they're correct,
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: that is different than what they're claiming. So that's that's
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: the point.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: People.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, again, there's this giants straw man that's out there.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: You are denying any possibility that any of this happened,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: and it's just never been true at all. You've been
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: patiently going through the evidence as it was present.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just want some evidence. Yeah, So and so the
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: public is not.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: I think the public that has paid attention to this,
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: I think at this point gets it that massive claims
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: were made that were not supported at the time and
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: haven't been supported since, and those claims were used to
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: launch a campaign of violence that killed at least seventy
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: thousand people and has a miserated population two million in
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: pursuit of genocide and ethic closing like that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: That's what happened.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Well on this point about the public and what people believe,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: how they've reacted the last several years. You all at
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: drop site and have partnered with Zatao to produce new
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: polling information that should give us some insight into how
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: people are reacting in the first couple of weeks of
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: this war and with Iran.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is really interesting. So yeah, let's get to
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: some of that polling. So drop Site and Zatao sponsored
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: a poll that was done for Data for Progress. So
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: it was out in the field from March sixth to
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: March eighth, and it interviewed more than one thousand, two
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: hundred likely voters, so, you know, just standard normal poll
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: that the mainstream media likes to conduct. The differences, we
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: ask some of the same questions that the mainstream media asks, like.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: You know, do you support oppose the war in Iran?
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: But then we also kind of went deeper into how
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: people think about Trump's motivations for the war, what role
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: is real played, but also what role Epstein might have played.
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: So we asked So the question we asked was when
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: it comes to US military action against Iran, which of
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: the following statements regarding presidents Trump's personal motivations comes close
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: to your view, closer to your view if neither is right.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: So let's put up E five and so basically, the
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: question is, was Trump motivated at least in part to
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: attack Iran to distract from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. Overall,
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: by a fifty two to forty margin, the American people
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: said yes, Epstein was at least in part motivating Trump
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: to attack Iran.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Now, Independence mirrored that precisely.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: There's a question nobody else is going to ask.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: That's right, nobody else is gonna ask that question.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: But it turns out a majority of the public agrees
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: with it, and posters would never have asked this if
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: we had to asked them to.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: So Independence.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: Completely mirrored the public by a fifty two to forty margin.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: Independence who really swung the election for Trump? They believe
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: that Trump was motivated at least in part to attack
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Iran to distract from Epstein. Now, Republicans, as you'll see
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: in this chart here, were the least likely to believe
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: that that's not surprising. But still a quarter of Republicans
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: said yeah, okay, I'll know that that's something with Epstein.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: For Democrats, it's basically an article of faith. So yeah, well,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: of course Democrats are eighty one percent to fourteen percent
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: believe that Epstein at least in part played a role
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: in driving his decision making for Emily. How would you
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: have answered that question and were you? Are you surprised
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: at a solid majority fifty two to forty That's we're
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: pretty divided country. That's there's there's still division there, but like,
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: at least among independents and Democrats, there's not.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Like people are like, yeah, it was Epstein played a role.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not surprised at all, But I also would have
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like one of the few people that just doesn't
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: think this had anything to do with it, because I
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: think the administration really wanted to.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Attack a Ron. I think they really wanted to do it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I think Israel gave them a kind of predicate or
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: a precipitating moment, like a kick, that allowed them to
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: do it. But yes, I think maybe not Jade Vanson,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Tulci Gabbert, but I do think Donald Trump, Marco Rubio
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: and others in the administration, you know, even though they
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: were getting counseled by Dan Kine, maybe not a good idea,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: but there are people for whom this is a generational project,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and Israel saying they're going to make a move. I
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: just think that gave Republicans an easy excuse, and that's
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: what had everything to do with it. It's like the
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: culmination of a generational project since nineteen seventy nine to
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: get back ran m sohere, that's where I'm skeptical of it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: That said, it's possible that there.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Are layers of blackmail we won't learn about for decades
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: that had something to do with it. That actually Trump
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: really didn't want to do it. He knew that it
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: was against what he had said about not starting new wars.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Dan Kine was selling this bad idea, So it's possible.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: It's possible there is some mystery to why it happened now,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: but my strong inclination is that many people have wanted
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: to do this for a long long time and they
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: got an excuse bya Israel So that's how I would
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: have answered. But it's a great question.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: I think the lack of any coherent rationale.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: Think fuels people's willingness to believe anything else. Yeah, because like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: give me something and I'll believe it. But if you
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: don't give me anything, I'm going to go looking for answers.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: I think you're probably right that absent Epstein, that this,
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: that Trump does this anyway.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I also think that in.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: His mind as he was thinking about whether or not
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: to do it or when to do it, I bet
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: part of it was like, well, it sure will be
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: nice to not have to think about Epstein anymore every
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: single day, all day long. Whether or not that drove
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: the decision making. So that's why I think like, at
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: least in part like, okay, at least in part. Now,
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: according to the Washington Post and the Anti Defamation League,
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: this is an anti Semitic view. We can put up
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: this first element, the first element of from this segment.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: So it says that the conflict has also sparked a
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: sharp rise and anti Submitic content, according to researchers from
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: the ADL, a Jewish civil rights organization, some of it
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: seeking to link Epstein, who was Jewish, to the conflict,
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: reports the Washington Post. And then they quote or In Siegel,
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: who's the ADL's quote, senior vice president of Counter Extremism
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: and Intelligence, saying, quote, pretty quickly after the conflict began,
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: this conspiratorial rebranding of Operation Epic Fury into Operation Epstein
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: Fury started circulating on social media platforms. Max Blumenthal, by
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: the way, has said that he was the first to
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: float that I don't have any evidence to the contrary,
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: all right, and ADL and then the Washing Post writes
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: an ADL report found that the phrase quote Epstein Fury
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: was mentioned more than ninety thousand times by some sixty
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: thousand different accounts on x within the conflicts first three days.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: The same Post article says that Iran has been pushing
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: this and that the people who believe this are kind
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: of victims of Iranian an Iranian miss or disinformation campaign.
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know which one it is. It's Iranian styop
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: if that's the case.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Iranians have been intentionally in their propaganda
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: pushing this line over and over.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Again, that it's what is it Epstein class. Yeah.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: And the iotol was talking about the island before he
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: was killed.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: The isold was like, ah more will be exposed.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: This disgusting island or a pedophile island or whatever you
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: called it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: And it is like a lot of the ebsain emails
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: that drop site has been reporting on we're likely linked
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: to an Iranian hacking operation. Is definitely part of the
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Iranian propaganda strategy too.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: And hey, we gave them that one on a silver platter.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, people of the United States.
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: Yes, the the hacker outfit Hondala, which is said to
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: be linked to Iran, we can't confirm it, but we
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: suspect that that's the case, is the one that released
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: a hudbarox emails which kicked off a lot of this stuff.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: So that's that's an actual that's an actual thing. So
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: let's run through some some more of the of the
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: polling here.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: So let's do E two.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: Do you approve of the Trump administration's military action in Iran?
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: Disapproved Democrats shockingly not, you know, ninety two to six
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: against super divided Here Republicans seventy nine nineteen support independence
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: against it sixty to thirty six. So nineteen percent of Republicans,
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: I think, people hopeful for a kind of unified cross
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: party no opposition to war, are sad to see just
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: nineteen percent.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: What do you make of What do you make of that?
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad that it's not less.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: It's true. Nineteen is not nothing.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: It's not less, right, but among independents that's a brutal
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: number for the administration, sixty percent disapproval and.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: One of the beginning of the war too.
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: Yes, and one of this is when you're supposed to
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: be a riding high great point.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: And one of the big questions is whether how much
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: people care? Right, this is something that animates people politically,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: at least to go to the polls or to be
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: pissed at Trump. Is it something that they're like, hey,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I think this is pretty clearly the l like this
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: is something that people will care about.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: The other thing that jumps out to me is that
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: number of Democrats only six percent approval. I wish we
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: could do a poll of Senate Democrats.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I always wish we could.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Do that secoll.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, anonymous, Yes, a secret pool of Senate Democrats. It's
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: the same thing with Senate Republicans in Ukraine, right, Like,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: if you could pull Republican voters and then pull Republican senators,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: if you could pull Democratic voters and then pull Democratic senators,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I would love to see the discrepancy.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Other than Spatterman. They won't admit it, right, but yes,
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: So let's do E three. This is the punishment that
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: candidates would take if they supported it. So are you
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: more or less likely to vote for a twenty twenty
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: eight presidential candidate who supports war with Iran if you're
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: a Democratic primary voter said eighty three percent less likely.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: Independence said sixty one percent.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Less likely to vote for somebody who supports the war
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: with Iran, whereas Republicans fifty nine percent more likely. Now, Democrats,
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: there basically aren't to any that are other than Fetterman
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: and like four Gouton's over in the House who are
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: publicly supporting the war. But it's a spectrum. You know,
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of a lot of Democrats are like
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: they're leading with Iran can never have a nuclear program.
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: And then they're saying and we need hearings to be
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: to have the rationale like explained to us, and we
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: need to investigate all of these things.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: It's like, well, wait a minute, let's end the war first.
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, there aren't a whole lot of Democrats who
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: are just like, it's time to end the war, Like immediately,
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: the war's bad, stop it.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: We can do hearings and investigations later, that's great.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: But for now, it is to stop the killing and
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: stop the disruption of the entire global economy.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: How's that going to affect those Republican primaries.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Well, so that's a really good question to ask in
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: the poll because it does get to what we were
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: just talking about, how much does this matter?
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Is it one of those things where it's like I
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: disagree with Trump, where I disagree with the Republican Party,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: but I don't really it's not at the high high
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: end of my priority list, And I think this shows
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: that for a lot of people it does actually affect
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: voting patterns. Twenty percent for Republicans, so similar to the
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: nineteen percent in the prior question about disagreeing or disagreeing Trump,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: what we've seen has record high levels of support from
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Republican voters, but they're down from his previous records, so
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: hemorrhaging some like I think it is around ten percent.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Harrienton has gone through these numbers over the last year.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: That's actually interesting because that's a question of whether the
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: MAGA core of strong, strong supporters, enthusiastic supporters are disappointed
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: by the president, and that gets to whether people are
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: in the county Republican office, phone banking, putting up signs,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: small dollar donors, these types of things. So the twenty
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: percent number is it actually really isn't nothing. It's a
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: clear your majority, as is the case with most of
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: what Trump does. But it's not nothing in terms of
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: like the political ramifications. I bet if you asked that
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: question among Republicans about George W. Bush in April two
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: thousand and three, wherever this would have been higher support
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: among Republicans, I bet that number wouldn't have been twenty percent.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I bet it would have been like Democrats against four.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: So not nothing, but a good gauge of how much
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: this matters for independence and Democrats.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: Now E four is a very interesting question when it
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: comes to US military actions. Run which of the following
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: statements regarding President Trump's personal motivations comes closer to your
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: view even if another Neither is exactly right. So we asked,
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: is Trump pursuing this war more for American interests or
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: Israeli interests? I guess it looks like we don't have
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: the overall on there. But the overall was fifty percent
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: said American interests, forty one percent said Israeli interests, So
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: a majority will give them that. Now, among independents, fifty
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: percent said it was Israeli interests and just forty four
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: percent said American interests. So so two points of this,
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: We'll give them this. A majority of the public thinks
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: that Trump went to war for American interests, but just
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: fifty percent. There has never an American history been a
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: war of any size, let alone this size that a
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: president went into and forty one percent of the public
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: thinks he did it for a foreign country that has
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: never happened, like never, like not even close, like.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: Iraq war.
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: People thought that was oil companies. Yeah, maybe you can
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: get forty percent saying.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Well, like five years in people or two years in
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: it is probably more accurate.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: Right, it was becoming hot on.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, Vietnam, American interests rolling back Communist like for
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: against the war. You didn't think that we were doing
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: it for like Sri Lanka.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Now we were the country that was pushing proxies into
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: these types of wars. Yeah, and so which, by the way,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: I just this is my position, Like I actually again
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: on this question, would have disagreed with the line that
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: it was primarily is really interest because my point is
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: there are a lot of people interests, yes, and there
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: are a lot of people in the American government who
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: are saying Israeli interests and American interests are absolutely intertwined.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: It's the Lindsay Graham line, and the Lindsay Grahams won
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: this argument that Mike Huckabees won, this argument that the
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: American and Israeli interests are one and the same. And
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: or they'll say it's American interest visav China. And they
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: really convinced themselves, they really believe that at the end
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: of the day, they just wanted to bomb run That's
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: what they wanted to do.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: So we can put up E five. This is a
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: related question.
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: I was curious how much people were hearing about the
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: attack on the Iran girls school that happened at the
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: very early hours of the war.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: So the question here is have you read, seen, or
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: heard about the attacks on a girl school in Iran
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: last weekend? Democrats came in at seventy seven percent yes,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Republicans sixty percent yes, Independence sixty six percent yes. So
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: across the board, most people in those three cohorts have
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: heard about the attack on the girls school in Iran
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: last weekend only yeah, So only a quarter of Democrats hadn't.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Forty percent of Republicans thirty four percent of independence. This
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: was a super smart question to ask Ryan because it
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: gets to the media silos that people are in, and
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: no matter what media silo we were in, on average
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: you had heard about this. It probably gets to why
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Senator John Kennedy on Fox News yesterday came out and
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: said it was horrible. And the right thing to do
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: is is if it was in the United States, say
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: it was horrible.
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: And I think that this Paul wrapped up on Sunday night.
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: So and there's been a lot more news yes Monday, Tuesday,
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: and Wednesday on this strike, so the number might go up.
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: But what thirty two percent did say they'd heard nothing
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: at all about it, So that's so at least one
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: in three people. And then if you combine nothing at
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: all or a little then that got you to fifty
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: five percent. So then they then we asked, and so
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: again this is through Sunday night for a lot of
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: the reporting emerged that has basically definitively concluded that it
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: was the United States that did this. We asked, if
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: you have heard about it, who do you think was
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: responsible for this? Either the US, the US and Israel
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: combined Israel or was it Iran?
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: And twenty four percent of people thought it was Iran.
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: The rest basically said it was either the US center
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: ISRAELI together or Israel or.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: Or the United States by itself.
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: Republicans were the only ones kind of divided on this question.
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: So forty five percent of Republicans said it was Iran
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: that attacked its own girls school, which is an idea
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: that has been pushed kind without evidence, but at least
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: it When I see stuff like that, I'm like, well,
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: at least they're not defending attacking the girls school, or
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: at least saying somebody that it wasn't already fault. You know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: they're lying about it, but I think some people honestly
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: believe it. So forty five percent that it was Iran.
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: Another forty five percent said it was the US and
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: or Israel, and then ten percent of Republicans said they
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: didn't know. Everybody else by an overwhelm majority thinks it
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: was the US and or.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: Israel.
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: And that's before we got footage of the Tomahawk missile
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: like hitting an hiergy see base next to it, and
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: you can see the school smoking. So like to see
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: that footage, you'd have to believe that Iran hit the
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: school and then moments later a US Tomahawk missiles hit
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: the base right next to it, and then the schools
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: hitting again, completely implausible. Also, if you look at the timeline,
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: this is immediately as the war started and Iran took
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: a little while to respond, so iron wasn't even shooting yet.
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: So just on a just logical basis, it's like that
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: who hit it, well, the people who were shooting.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: It's a great question to ask. I mean, this is
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: why independent media is important. Polling is one of those
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Pulling is one of the biggest I think places in
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: news gathering where just having this idea of neutrality that
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: is actually a bias in one direction or the other,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: or having the pretense of neutrality creates conventional wisdom. Like
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: it's about the manufacturing of conventional wisdom. Pulling so often
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: just builds and builds in one direction. And if you
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: don't ask other questions, you don't get answers to those
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: types of questions. You don't test, you don't gauge the
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: public on conversations the public may be having that you're
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: not having in your newsroom, or that you think are
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: crazy and not worth asking about.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: So this was a great, great poll.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: And there's one other that we could talk about, because
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: this didn't all this wasn't all designed just to like
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: flatter my own preconceived notions.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: We're genuinely curious about this stuff.
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: And so we asked a question about ballistic missiles because
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: ballistic Iron's ballistic missile stockpile has become like the new
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: rationale that the US and Israel are using for why
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: this war needs to be carried on.
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: I think I messed up the of this a little bit,
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: and I'll tell you why.
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: So they say, how important is it to you that
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: Iran be prevented from possessing ballistic missiles, which are long
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: range missiles capable of reaching countries like Israel. So that's
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: how we phrased the question. I think prevented was the
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: wrong word to use there. I should have said, how
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: important is it to you that the that the US
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: and Israel dismantle Iran's missile program. But because of the
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: way we were to you get just a kind of
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: neutral perspective from the American people about whether or not
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: they want.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: Iran to be able to possess ballistic missiles.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: And they absolutely do not, And so for fifty four
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: percent of all Americans, it's very important that Iran be
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: prevented from having ballistic missiles, which maybe if Trump, if
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: you're watching this, just say you blew up the ballistic
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: missile program and call it a day. Another twenty nine
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: percent say it's somewhat important. So that means by an
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: eighty three to thirteen margin, the American people think it's
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: important that Iran be prevented from possessing ballistic missiles. Now,
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: because I get to write the poll, I put in
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: a question that said Iran should be allowed to have
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  Speaker 6: ballistic missiles because countries have a right to defend themselves.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: Give people that option.
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  Speaker 6: Only thirteen percent picked that this is so that's fourteen
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: percent said it's not a concern of the United States.
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: Two thirds in the separate question said they should be prevented.
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  Speaker 3: That's really, really, really interesting because it shows consistency among
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: the people who responding to the questions, and it shows
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: that Trump had or should have some built in consistency
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: or built in sympathy here among the public if he
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: made a coherent, logical, honest case for war or for
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  Speaker 3: a deal that disarmed Iran, I'm not saying that's possible,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: but where you don't only have to disarm people of
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: their ballistic missiles through military action hypothetically, of course, I
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: think that would.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Probably be the case. For the run, you have to
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: do it by force.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: That shows though Trump has friendly sentiments among a big
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: chunk of the public, that still overall is unhappy with
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: what's happened over the last ten days.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: So that's a I.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Think it's a for the administration's purposes, for the political purposes,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: and for the moral purposes of people making these decisions.
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  Speaker 3: That's a very i think interesting contrast between the question
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: of people agreeing with what's happened and people wanting Iran
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: to have ballistic missiles.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: One other interesting detail, when we added in net and Yahoo,
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: the numbers got even worse for Trump rather than just
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: saying Israel. So we said, when it comes to US
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: military action against Iran, which of the following statements regarding
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: Trump's personal motivations comes closer to your view? One Trump
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: is more responsive to the interests of the American people
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: than any foreign interests.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Like those of Israel.
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: Or Two, President Trump is more responsive to the interests
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Yahoo than the interests of
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: the American people.
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  Speaker 5: That completely split public. So whereas it was fifty forty.
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  Speaker 6: One on the earlier one that we were talking about,
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: this was forty seven forty six. So forty six percent
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: of the public said Trump is more responsive to net
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: Yahoo than to the American people, whereas forty seven percent
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: said no, no, no, Trump is Trump's more America first
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: than he is Net and Yahoo. Seventeen percent of Republicans
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: said he's more responsive to net Yahoo Independence, who's fifty
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: forty four. So so among independents, which swung the election
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: for Trump, they feel like he's more responsive to net
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: Yahoo than he is to the American public.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Fascinating, it's crazy.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, get yourself together, guys.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh, well, great pool. This is such
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: a good Yeah. Yes, and I love it when India
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: outlets do polling, and.
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: Breaking Point should do some of that if you want,
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• 59:34
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• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Let's move on to the focus group and meet in
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: podcast space or media space because of course Bill Maher
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Joe Rogan have wade in.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: So let's get to it.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Ryan, Let's start now with this clip of Joe Rogan
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: on a recent show. He was actually with Michael Schellenberger
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: in conversation this just dropped yesterday, react into the war
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: in Iran F one.
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  Speaker 14: What just seems so insane based on what he ran on.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 14: I mean, this is why a lot of people feel betrayed. Right,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 14: He ran on no more wars and these stupid senseless wars,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 14: and then we have one that we can't even really
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 14: clearly define why we did it.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 15: Well, but he said he's against endless wars.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 14: Well, endless, they're all endless. Well, if we heard Rumsfeld
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 14: talk about Iraq when it first happened, they were talking
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 14: about like six weeks.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 15: Six weeks, oh yeah, six weeks, yeah, but they put
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 15: that was ground force and I know that they've not
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 15: ruled that out. For me, that would be they have
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 15: they have not.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: I thought you said that, and now, yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 15: This guy is just acting. You know, he says he's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 15: not getting where they want to get in the negotiations
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 15: with the Iranians, so he says, we have some leverage
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 15: over you, and we're going to use it.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 14: So clearly Israel wanted this.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 15: Israel has its own motivations, I think, yeah, but I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 15: don't think I think it's not quite accurate to say that.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 15: I just don't think. I think all the evidence shows
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 15: that Trump is his own man, and he is the president,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 15: and like literally he couldn't even give back, he couldn't
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 15: even give elon the battery subsidy that he wanted.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 14: Yeah, It's like I get that, I've never.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: Seen a policy.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 15: I mean, I've never seen a politician act that independently.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 15: That's I mean, a president act that independently. So I'm
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 15: skeptical of I mean, I think that I think that
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 15: Rubio was sort of like, well, they were going to attack,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 15: and so we had to. You know, there's some of that,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 15: But I just think Trump's doing what he wants to do,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 15: and we should.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 14: You really think it's that simple. Trump's doing what he
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 14: wants to do. Yes, yes, you don't think people are
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 14: influencing him because there's a lot of warhawks around him, right,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 14: there's a lot of people that want.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 15: To I mean, who's in there, but then Tucker was
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 15: in there a bunch. But do you think in the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 15: case against.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 14: Tucker has the kind of influence that Net and Yahoo has.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean, I guess if you just base it
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 15: on the outcome, then the answer is no.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 14: No.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 15: But that's what I'm saying. I just think he listens
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 15: to everybody. But I just don't think it's Russians aren't
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 15: behind him really, I mean, Trump is look what he's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 15: been through.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: For the record, Tucker has said in his conversations with Trump,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: I think he said this in his recent episode with
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Sager that he believes Trump did not want to do
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: this or I mean the.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: Alternative to that.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Tucker knows Donald Trump much better than I do. But
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: it's possible Trump, when he's in conversations with people, is
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: one of those guys who's seeing it.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's a business dude.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: He's pragmatist more than he's an ideologue and he sort
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: of makes you feel like he agrees with you, So
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: there are different ways to.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: That's not the impression I get.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: I don't believe that.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that Trump was worried about bombing iron
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I believe that Tucker is accurately representing their
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: conversations that Trump was indicating he did not want to
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: be dragged into the war. But I don't know that
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: I necessarily agree that he was hesitant to.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: Strike we as we talked about in the last segment,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: the public disagrees with that that idea. The public thinks
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: that he is heavily influenced by Israel and particularly by
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: net Yaho. Maybe they're wrong. Maybe he's just doing whatever
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: he wants to do. Rogan correct me if I'm wrong,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: because I don't follow this space just as closely as
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: some people do. He's kind of held on Trump a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: little longer than the rest of the podcast, Bros.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: Is that right or No?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: I feel like he was pretty early to but he's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: friendly with Elon, so the dough stuff didn't dissuade him.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: But around summertime, I think he was pretty openly starting
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: to question the immigration stuff.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's right, yeah, because he was like, what, like
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: what this is not? This is not how I envisioned
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: this happening right right.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: And he's friendly with Bobby Kennedy, so he's been I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: think Kenny was just back on the show Elon was.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: They've both been on the show in the last couple
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: of months, so I guess he's hung onto it in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: that sense. I'm sure back in June he was critical
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: of what happened in Iran too, So I think he's
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: clung on maybe with some things, or he's hung on
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: some things for a while, but overall, he's definitely been
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: willing to be a bit critical from probably the I
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: don't know last summer starting on would be my guest,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: but uh, you know he's gonna I'm sure he's going
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: to support Kennedy for the most part and some of
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: those other agenda items in the administration. Bill Maher is
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: a guy who's apparently on the left, not even like
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: in the podbro world.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: He's all in.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: That doesn't really surprise anyone, I bet, but let's roll
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: f to here.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 10: Also this week war did you hear about that thing?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 10: And we bombed around and it's going on now, have
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 10: you expected me to say I hate it. I don't. Sorry,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 10: when he puts boots on the ground, yeah, that I'll
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 10: hate it. Now. I know too many happy Iranian Americans. Sorry,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 10: h you cannot name one horrible thing that has happened
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 10: in the Middle East in the last fifty years and
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 10: not connected to this fascist theocracy. They're like six degrees
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 10: of they don't eat bacon, and it's popular. I mean,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 10: Ahranians all over the world are doing the Trump dance.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 10: Have you seen that? Though? I just want to read
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 10: at what I said in the monologue. I'm cautiously optimistic.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 10: Unless he puts boots on the ground, then he's going
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 10: to lose me. We'll see for now. I just don't
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 10: get what liberals don't get about liberation. I see so
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 10: much happiness. I see it in Venezuela, I see it
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 10: here in Iran. Could we skip the part where we
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 10: talk about, Oh, they had so many different reasons for
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 10: going to war, regime change, and we got to get
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 10: rid of the nukes, and they were supporters of terrorism,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 10: it's all of it. How about this, This was a
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: fascist theocracy and nothing in the Middle East was ever
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 10: going to get better. Well, they were still there fucking everything.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Up, the liberation from most of egg What do liberals
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: not get about that?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: Bill Maher lose his show for criticizing the invasion.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Of Iraq politically correct. I thought, so, yeah, that's my impression.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: So what did he not get about liberation? Then? Like,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: what is what's going on with this guy?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: Well, he's saying ground troops, I guess is his red line?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: So okay, So what he was saying is George W.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: Bush should have just done shocking off for months and
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: bombed the hell out of Iraq and then he would
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: have been fine with it. And then who's and then
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: like Oude Hussein or kuse Whusseining I guess whichever one
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: rises the top becomes president of Iraq and he's cool
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: with that.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: You just keep mowing the lawn.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: And then yeah, as they did in the nineties.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: And as they're talking about maybe the strategy going forward
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: with Iran.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: Now which guy clearly he I mean, the guy just
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: he hates religion. He hates Islam in particular, hates all
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: religion but Islam in particular, and he sees them as
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: the way to sees it. Going after Irn is like
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: fulfilling that itch that he's got.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: So this was the mar comment.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: This was in looks like September two thousand and six,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: days after he said quote, we have been the cowards
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: lobbying cruise missiles. This was to Dnesta shoot Desuza lobbing
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: cruise missiles from two thousand miles away. That's cowardly staying
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: in the airplane when it hits the building.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: Say what you want about it, it's not cowardly.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: That is one of the most famous moments in Phil
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Maher's career, as my memories.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: That's what he got fired for. That's right.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Well, they it was canceled like months later, and he
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: assumed that it was pegged.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: That incident, which probably I.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: Remember that it was a it's hard to describe the
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: what the what the like feeling in the air was
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: at the time, at that time in two thousand, late
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: two thousand and one, early two thousand and two, that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: you could you could not say anything like that, even
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: though you look back now you're like, well, just that's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: just a that's just a normal that's a logical thing
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: to say, Like you can disagree with what they did,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: but when it comes to physical courage, like well, uh,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: obviously takes physical courage to carry out any physical attack.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can say that.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: But you don't people have Yeah, and I think people
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: confuse the word courage with valor and morality. Yeah that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: if you say something is courageous, that it's necessarily good,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: but you can be courageous and terrible.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: I think he would have gotten canceled no matter what.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: But I don't think he necessarily needed to say that
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: the US was cowardly six days after nine to eleven.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: That probably is not.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: Uh, it's true.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: You can say it's it's courageous for like terrorists physically
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: courageous to your point mind, but if you couple that
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: with the US is cowardly, that's six days after nine
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: to eleven, where there was an enormous amount of bravery.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: Right, but he's talking about the people that cruise missiles
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: from two thousand miles away.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: I know, but it's tonally that's different for people who
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: are a grieving that he wasn't reading the room, really
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: wasn't read the room.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: The room was very very rough at that moment.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, like we probably disagree on this, I
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: don't think that's necessarily unreasonable when you had American.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Bravery on full display.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and American bravery and full display in New
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: York City, and you know the flight ninety three around
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: the country.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So anyway, that's Bill Maher now.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty six, Bill Maher saying, I'm seeing too many
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: happierr onions feeling liberated, and I don't understand.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: Why the left doesn't support Yeah, the shots of Sunset
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: are very excited.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, we discussed this.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: You haven't watched shots of Sunset years, nor have I,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: but they are. I did see Reza from Shots of.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: Sunset was excited at least shocking thing ever.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll do it for us today's edition.
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