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BONUS EPISODE: Pgh Sports Current Events - December 25, 2025 · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to Pittsburgh Sports Memories for the week of December twenty-third.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Holidays.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think Hanukkah's over.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Kwanza's coming up.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: So uh as usual, I'm your co-host, Steve Werton.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm joined by I'm Tim Hannon.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Who's a big fan of I don't know, Boxing Day in England, I guess.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's the day after Christmas, right?
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so uh we're continuing our uh weekly pens update news.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, um guess what, Tim?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: They finally broke their eight-game losing streak.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: They hadn't won since December 4th.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: They are three, four, and four in the last 11.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're like second from the bottom in the division, which hey, that's good for uh draft picks, I think.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: At this I I tried to look at like I don't know, I think it's too early for them to like totally be in the tank, but maybe it's maybe it's getting what they say, it's getting dark early, it's getting late early or whatever.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um in the Montreal game, the Penguins actually won.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was two to one the Penguins won.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: And a shootout of all things.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine that.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the bit the only thing of any note that really happened here was uh Sid passed Mario for the all-times point lead, which is pretty cool.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I guess we didn't see that coming, or I guess it was only a matter of time.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: So that's points, that's not goals, right?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so Sid is definitely more of an assist guy.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: Mario is more of a goals guy.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, makes sense.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so now we're moving to the obscure sports update part of our podcast, as we are one to do.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um the Riverhounds, uh, they have hired coach Rob Vincent after I guess they finally fired Bob Lilly.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: He's not coming back.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: If anybody ever knows whatever happened to Bob Lilly, I have never heard a good explanation.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: The only thing I heard is maybe said some things to players that you shouldn't be saying.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he had a drinking problem.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, maybe he's in like the Secret Service and he has to go like, you know, help raid Venezuela of drug dealers or something.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I have no idea.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Your guess is as good as mine.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: What happened to Bob Lilly?
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody on our Facebook um page uh comment on it commented on that one of the the week that they won the championship, and we were talking about on the show, and that first thing you said about saying things to the players is what he was claiming, but I don't know what his source was.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um hey, uh, you know, Pitt played Penn State, not in any type of football game, but they did play him in basketball, and Pitt won 80 to 46, and for some reason they played the game in Hershey in the Giant Center.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever been in a giant supermarket?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's not giant eagle, it's just called Giant.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen those.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've been to them.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: I remember Pathmark.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Pathmark was an interesting supermarket.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're central Pennsylvania.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: I remember Foodland.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Foodland.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: Does Foodland still have any corporate sponsorships?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they should.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: But uh it was 80 to 46.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Pitts done with their out of conference season until they have to play Miami on December 30th.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess it's Christmas break for the Pitt Panthers.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: Good for them.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um Pitt Volleyball, Tim.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think you said you watched this game.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um they got swept in the final four.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is four out of five times in the last five years they've lost in the final four, which seems like that's a pretty impressive accomplishment.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a shame they haven't at least won once in in those years.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if volleyball's tough or competitive or pit just is like the Buffalo Bills, they can't get over the hump.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: I I I don't know, Tim.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean they got swept, but it was it was close, especially the first set.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: The first set is what killed them because they had Texas AM down to their to their final because you have to win by two in volleyball.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: So they had them down to their final point, and the the player for Texas AM made this great play.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like we spiked it right at them, and he like got really, really low and saved it, saved that point, and then they came back and won.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that just set the tone for the next two sets.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: They just couldn't overcome that.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: And the next two sets were clear.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: The third one wasn't as close, but the second one was real back and forth too.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so like it looked, they got swept, but it wasn't like they got blown out.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: But like you said, it's like they just can't get over the hump, and it's a shame because they have such a competitive team every year, but they just can't put it all together for whatever reason.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, always a bridesmaid, never a bride, Tim.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: So and I guess that's gonna be the end of our obscure porch.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: We'll get into the the more meaty part of this.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: And uh hello football Palooza, cue the football Palooza music.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: And uh big win.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: So the Steelers were big underdogs, right?
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: They were a touchdown underdog for the Lions, weren't they?
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the Lions, I know, are are not having as good a season as they've had the last two seasons.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: But they were scoring 30 points a game.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's a really good team.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's one of those things where you can't look at the record and say, oh, well, they're only eight and six.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and watching them play and their offense was so dynamic.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, we'll get into that.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so uh Rodgers, uh Aaron Rodgers, man, he's having a nice end of the season here.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, his stats 27 to 41, 266 yards, and a touchdown, don't really tell the he really made some nice passes.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'll tell you what, Jalen Warren had a nice bounce back game.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: He had 143 yards.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I think two of his carriers were for 40 yards or more.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: He averaged 10 yards a carry.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Kenneth Gainwell, he is the uh star of their offense right now.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: They are it is all Kenny Gainwell all the time.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Nine nine rushes for 50 yards, five catches for 70 yards, including a nice, sweet catch where he was rolling around on the ground and he like literally landed on his forearm and he scooped it back up and had the presence of mind to get back up and run into the end zone because he wasn't touched.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it was a touchdown.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: They originally called it an incomplete pass, but it ended up being a touchdown.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh pretty impressive.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: And Detroit, is Detroit the best rushing team in the NFL?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: They got to be top three.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: If they're not number one, they're like top three, at least easily.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Detroit could not run the ball.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know how many rushing yards their main guy had?
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think he had 15.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think total they might have had like 20 some rushing yards.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was more like seven that gives other.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't much, it was under 30 yards by a large margin, which is if you hold somebody under 30 yards rushing the NFL, you've done a good job.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Now, some of that was score related, but not really.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: Not I don't think so.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: And they blitzed, they blitzed a lot this game.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I think like Jared Goff kind of reminds me of Peyton Manning, where like he's good if he stands in the pocket on his spot and can throw, he's really good.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: But when you blitz him and make him move around, he's not that accurate.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of the opposite of like Pat Mahomes, who is like kind of the opposite, where like if he runs around, he can kill you.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: But he's still good from the pocket, though, but not as good as Jared Goff.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: My goodness.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: And Jared Goff still had a great game 34 for 54, 363 yards, and three touchdowns.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: I thought they did a pretty good job on him for the most part until the end of the game when that's what normally happens.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: The defense runs out of gas.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's what happened to their blitz.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: Their blitz, and you gotta figure they were playing without TJ Watt and Nick Herbic, so they didn't really have a rotation, so that might have affected them too.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: Eccles Eccles getting hurt too, I'm sure that that messed things up.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the offense was much improved, and this probably helped win the game.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Was they went eight for sixteen on third down and two for two on fourth down, and they won the time of possession, so that helped the defense there.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like the whole third quarter, I don't think what did Detroit have the ball like through three plays and one offense?
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, yeah, whatever.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then there was that nice play.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: They ran that little play where they run like it was a fourth and one from inside the Detroit 20 or 10, maybe.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: And like they they ran that little Kenny, Kenny Gainwell play, which was smart because I thought when they lined up, I said, Oh, this is a long one.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: This is gonna be tough to get on a touch push.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that was a great call.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like Arts Arthur Smith had a great game.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Great call game.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he's been good all year.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know people have complained, but I I really think he he's been a very solid offensive coordinator.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: He has been.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: They they just had that lull there for whatever reason.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Part of it was Rogers getting hurt, but but even before that, it was just this like middle of the season lull where they just were turning into last year's, you know, don't throw anything over the middle, dink and dunk, don't take any chances.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: The offense, it just didn't work.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: And whatever they've done in the last three weeks, it's completely revamped everything.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they complete passes in the middle of the field.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I think once you do that once or twice, it just seems to open up the whole offense.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like it it makes those safeties back off, and boy, it makes a really dip big difference.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: And Steve, back back to Gainwell, uh you had made the point that the Steelers made those three Super Bowls in the 2010s.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, in the 2000s, but they didn't make any Super Bowls in the 2010s.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you said that you know, you can have your star players, but you need it players.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: And in the 2000s, we had guys like James Farrier, yeah, and Aaron Smith, and Heath Miller, guys that weren't Hall of Famers, uh, but they were it guys.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I think Kenny Gain was an it guy.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like it.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like it.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's not he'd probably make a Pro Bowl here and there, but I don't see him ever making a Hall of Fame.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: But he's a good player.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: And Jalen Warren, I thought he was kind of like, uh, but no, he had a nice comeback game.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's another solid player.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: He got fined again.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Did you see that for blocking with his helmet?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: He's so darn short.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is he supposed to do?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it's nice to see the NFL's being consistent on like leading with your helmet.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: But um, the big story of the game was though, boy, what a weird game.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was just a very odd game.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be talking about this one for a long time, I think.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of the weirdest, and it literally took the refs 10 minutes to figure out who won the game at the end of the game, and rightfully so, because it was an odd play.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: So let's start off with uh DK Metcalf uh deciding that he wanted to interact with some Detroit fans in the middle of the game.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, who you know, he wasn't doing much, the defense was doing its thing.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what else?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go talk to some uh Detroit fans and see what they're up to.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: So um he goes over and he takes a swipe at a guy, he literally grabs it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was one of those guys where in those stupid, like, what is it?
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: It looked like a pom-pom, like blue hair.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like it was like, but it wasn't like blue hair.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you you know what I mean?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was like plastic hair.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't even know how to describe it.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: So he grabbed him by that and then tried to take a punch at him and missed.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I just here here's my whys.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, there's just a couple of whys on this, Tim, and you cannot answer that.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is just why do you engage an opposing fan?
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, supposedly this fan was holding a Metcalf jersey or Steelers gear.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Why engage him during the game?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: If it was before the game, after the game, I could maybe see something happen, but why?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Number two, why is CBS watching this?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Why is there even a camera on this?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like I realize they have cameras that follow guys around because you always see shot of like you know the quarterback, you know, you'll see like the shot of like Jared Goss sitting on the sideline.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, who cares?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like after the defense makes a you know what I mean, the Detroit defense makes a play.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I I kind of feel like CBS, I don't know.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: I almost felt like CBS had some hand in this because like why would you be like watching to see something like this happen?
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Number three, why?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Why is there no security personnel in the stadium standing right there?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's like anytime the players go near the stands, there's always like at least one or two around.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it it just seems like DK Metcalf got baited into this.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like much what happened with Pitt in Miami.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: This guy, you know, there's supposedly a rumor that he might have said the N-word.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: This guy's denying it.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's saying he called him by his full legal name.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Why why even react to any of it?
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Even if he did, even if he did say that word, you just can't react to it.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's his whole goal was to get you to react to it.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, whether he thought either he'd get you kicked out of the game or get you off your game, and it's just at some point you just gotta play the game and just ignore people.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I have people I work in a job where I have people say all kinds of crazy stuff.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: I had somebody flip me off in the parking lot for I don't know why the other day at Shop and Save.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: It did I I guess because I'm so used to it.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: I just kind of look like, uh, okay, all right, okay, moving on.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I don't know, Tim.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: I it just I I guess I I would maybe these people just aren't used to that because they're so like insulated and rich.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: But he's not Marty McFly.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: He's not like nobody calls me kicking.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's been in the league too long for that.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: If if if he was that easily rattled, he would have been somebody would have egged him on before and got him to do something.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like a Joey Porter type or something.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: So he's I don't think he's easily rattled.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: I the guy I don't buy that the guy called him by his legal name and then just shut him off.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't make any sense to me.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I I do believe the guy said something.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I and I know this guy's lawyered up and everything, but I do believe the guy said something that set him off.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Why were you holding Steelers gear as a Lions fan?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Why were you holding Steeler gear?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because, like you said, you you called it.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: He was trying to bait him.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's exactly what he was trying to do, and he said he won.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's what he did.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: He won.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: So you gave him a win.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: Why give him a win?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and and if he's saying something that's horrendous or totally inappropriate, then there's got to be somebody you can go get or report to.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: The stealers have to have somebody that can deal with that.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: This happens more in the NBA, I see this, where people in the stands when they heckle, like especially like people really get mad at LeBron James for this.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I think if it's just good nature heck heckling, like, oh, you stink, you can't you flopper, or like something game related or even booing, like whatever.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're gonna drop like, you know, racial slurs and stuff, or like say stuff about people's parents or threaten violence, you know, then you should be kicked out.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's just beyond, you know, I I believe you if you buy your ticket, you have a right to boo the player.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: You can boo anybody, you can say pretty much anything you want, but there is common decency.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't threaten somebody's life or say something, you know, just just don't.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, as you've been to enough football games to know, Steve, that acting rationally is not something that everybody does.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, you can get in the heat of the moment.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I said a lot of non nice things about Carl Jeffers yesterday.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: But but that's where you have to take the high road.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: And and it it reminds like I don't know why I thought of this, but remember the Will Smith, Chris Rock when he walked up like that.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: Take your take my wife's name out of your mouth.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, but I I mean that that would that would have been a perfect uh time for Will Smith to just shake his head and look disgusted, and then afterwards say, you know, that was really hurtful.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's you know, he's making fun of a condition that my wife has, and I think that I thought it was really inappropriate, and I'm not happy about it.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then guess who's the bad guy?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Chris Rock.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's Chris Rock.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: But guess who ends up being the bad guy?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: It ends up being Will Smith.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's ended his career pretty much.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like Will Smith hasn't done anything since that was that was bad.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: And what DK did, it's like, let this idiot fan be the bad guy, get get a security person, get somebody to go over there and deal with it, uh, and then you keep your focus on the game.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: I like you said, in the middle of the game, I just can't believe he would do that in the middle of the game.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: If that would have happened before the game, yeah, I could have I could have said, okay, well, he he probably was signing autographs for people like he, you know, players sometimes do before games or after games.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, this guy must have said something inappropriate and he probably got mad he of the moment, but don't even go over there, man.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: And now he's suspended for the last two games.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll talk about the playoff scenarios, but man, if we need him, that's gonna be bad.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, moving back to the game, um, there there was some bad officiating here, but um, I don't know what to say about it.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there was a pick call on Darnell Washington, and like Darnell Washington basically got a pick called on him because he weighs 280 pounds.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know what he's supposed to do.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's allowed to run a route.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't run out of his way, he just ran a route, and the defensive player for Detroit ran into him.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: What is he supposed to do?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not stand there.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of feel the same way when like a defensive back runs a route better than the wide receiver and the wide receiver runs into him.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, I I feel the defensive player has every right to that spot on the field.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I I don't know.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand that call.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Washington had a really bad game, he had a fumble at the five, and then oh, this is like something nobody, I think, except me caught.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now I had the sound down because I can't stand Tony Romo anymore.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: And like he stepped out of bounds with like three minutes to go.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like he had the first down, they needed a first down, he got it, and it's like, dude, you're like um 280 pounds, you're bigger than everybody.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Just fall forward at that point.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: You have the first down, fall down.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, he gets pushed out of bounds.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And like it gave Detroit, like it saved Detroit one of their timeouts.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like if he falls down there, Detroit has to either call a timeout or eat like I think it would have taken, well, it was like I think there was like three minutes and some change.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: So it would have taken like at least another 20 seconds off the clock, bare minimum, or lost Detroit their last time out.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Boswell, boy, he's been really clutch most of this year.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: He hit a 59-yarder, but boy, that kick at the end of the game almost come back to and that was a bad snap.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: That was a bad snap.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: As soon as I saw it, it was a bad snap.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was a nice try at the hold by I don't think Waitman was the problem.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: I he did the best he could with a bad snap because it was kind of like behind him, right, Tim?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: And he kind of like moved it forward real quick.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: And as soon as I thought, as soon as I saw it, I said, Oh, Boswell's gonna miss this, and it sure enough he doinked it.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I will say this there was a fourth and two on that last drive where I thought Chuck Clark made a fine defensive play.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: And just because Amund St.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: Ra decides to spin himself in a like a like a centrifuge doesn't mean it's pass interference.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: There is no way Chuck Clark in midair has enough strength to spin Amon Ra like and Amon Ra actually touched the ball.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like he was going for the ball.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: That should have been an on-call.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: That was a soft as tissue, tissue soft, you know, call on that one.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: And in Clark's, you know, criticism, he probably should have had an interception earlier in that I think it was drive or the quarter.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: He had one that went right in his hands, and I guess that's why he's a defensive back and not a not a wide receiver.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um now in the Lions defense, they had two touchdowns called back in the last final seconds of the game.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: That that's a rough way to lose.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um one was a pick play.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um that was I I I think that was the makeup call since they were going to call Tiki Tack pick plays.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was more of a pick play than the Darnell Washington because the guy actually for the Lions actually ran to the inside and ran into the defender.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas I felt Washington was just standing there like he was running his route.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: This guy was not running a route, he was running into the defender.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I could see that more, and that took a touchdown off the board.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, hang on.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Before you get to the before you get the final, the PSD resistance, the final play.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Before you get there, um here, I'm gonna add to your anger because I actually disagree with you.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: I thought the I thought they called a pretty good game as far as the refs go.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: I thought I thought they I thought they at least called it consistently.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Consistently bad is they they were really, really touchy on pick play.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought they thought, well, we called that Darnell Washington very tight pick play, so we're gonna call this a pick play, too.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, at least it's consistent, you know.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it took a touchdown off the board for us, and it took a touchdown off the board for them.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: So and and it, you know, the the the fourth and two I did not want.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: I I think on fourth and two you got one of the things.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the well well the pick play, it it's it even if you don't mean to get in the way of somebody, you it still could be can interpret as a pick if you if you stop the game, if you impede the defensive back from the city.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: But he's allowed to run that route.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't it wasn't like the Detroit guy who literally didn't run a route, he just ran into the defender.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have a problem with it because they called it both ways.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna call it like going back to remember Super Bowl forty.
• 21:53
  unknown: Yeah.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: One of the one of the calls that Seattle was so upset about was Daryl Jackson was uh OPI in the end zone.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: But they called The exact same penalty on Heath Miller in that game.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: It just didn't happen in the end zone.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's like fine.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Just be consistent.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's all I ask.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: If you're going to call it, call it both ways.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: The the tripping call on um that was legit.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: He stuck his leg out and tripped him.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was on the final drive.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: The pass interference call was close, but I mean Clark does come over the back of his shoulder.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't basketball, Tim.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is not frigging basketball.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: If that happened to us, we'd all be screaming for a flag.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: I would not.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: He can you cannot spin a guy.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Then Chuck Clark must be the strongest person in the NFL to do that.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in Ross Biden himself to catch the ball.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Did he touch the ball?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was a close call, not a bad call.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I did not have I didn't have a problem with the refs.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then the most important thing, honestly, is that they got the last play, right?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go to that one.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, in a play that took like literally 10 minutes, you're like, well, they're just gonna pick who wins and loses this game, aren't they?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Here, people.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like I literally thought that five was like, they're literally gonna pick a winner right now.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: The NFL's deciding who they want to win.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: So once again, boy, Jalen Ramsey, what a pleasant surprise he has been, huh?
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: The whole season, man.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: He he was all over the place again today.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: So they throw a pass the Amon Raw, who is not in the end zone.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was close, but it was I mean, he was a half yard short easily.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: So at that point, he gets pushed, what, five yards back?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Is that not forward progress, Tim?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I how is that not forward progress?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: So that's not reviewable.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think forward progress is reviewable, right?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I think I I don't know.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: I remember like we're getting ahead of ourselves, but when they when they when the guy announced the decision.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: He said it was a touchdown.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he also said we're not gonna review the play.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because no, he was refer I now.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: This is where it gets a little confusing.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: We're not reviewing the play because they can't review offensive pass interference.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: See, I thought he meant we're just not gonna review the fact that it's a touchdown.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I I think because it's they can't review offensive pass interference, they're not gonna review any part of the play.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Or they're just not gonna review the part of offensive pass interference.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: See, that is kind of ambiguous, Tim.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: My point just being that the whole thing about did his forward progress get stopped?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Did somebody blow a whistle?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, was he Well, the proper thing is to do not blow the whistle because you want, you know, he basically his armor is falling to the ground, he flips the lateral, which wasn't even a lateral.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even look get a good look at the replay.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Was that a legit lateral?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because doesn't he go forward into the end zone?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's a forward lateral, isn't it?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and and also it had to be a lateral because you can't advance a fumble in the last two minutes because it's the Rainers.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: So but I think I think so so it was close to should they have should he have been rolled down and then I don't think he was down.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, but he but he should he have been rolled down because he was like totally in the grasp of two guys.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: But then if they pile drive him, then they get a personal foul.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I mean.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: So he should have been rolled down.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it's a moot point, but if if there was no penalty, I wonder if they then review that and determine whether or not he was down.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Then you have a massive controversy on your hands at that point.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: If we lose that game.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Thank God for offensive.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And that was once again, they called it tight, and that was a tight pass it.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: But that was Michael Irvin made a career out of that play.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I think Ramsey, honestly, like I don't think Ramsey did it on purpose.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: No, he got pushed.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: That was legit.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't that wasn't embellishment.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying it was.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying that Ramsey, sometimes you can have a penalty called on you, but your body doesn't react such that it shows that something happened to you.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: His body literally flailed backwards with his arms up in the air.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so that helped just make it even more obvious that it like he just shoved off.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I had a feeling some something was called against them because like the whole Steelers defense reacted like they won the game.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because they like I think they knew that that was offensive pass interference.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that also might explain why they didn't drag him to the ground, because I think they just thought this isn't even gonna count.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but but that was that was man, that was uh terrifying.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're sitting, like you said, Steve, it's like, okay, they're gonna announce, they're gonna like they're literally it's like a it's like a boxing match where it's like, okay, who's who's the winner?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Are you waiting for them to announce who doesn't won?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then and then the way the guy announced it.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, it's a touchdown, but yeah, however, essentially not.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh, I agree.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: I disagree with you.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think Carl Jeffers need to go back to referee school, but um I mean that was a tough call.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: That last play was pretty impossible to officiate.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: That was a tough call.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: They did it.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: I will give him that.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: That one was almost impossible to officiate in any fair way.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, and they got it right.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: They got it right.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was off of the case.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: He shoved them.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: You can't shove the game.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: You can't win the game by shoving the guy into the game.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Michael Irvin made a Hall of Fame career out of it, Tim.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying that was that's a Michael Irvin classic.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: If he throws that pass to Jameson Williams instead of Amon Ra, then maybe maybe that's where you let it go.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because it didn't affect the play.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because it didn't affect the play.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: But he literally, Ramsey's on him, he shoves him, then he goes back and gets the ball.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's just you can't let him win the game by doing that.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I credit the refs.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on your side, refs.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: You did a good job.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the Steelers win somehow 29 to 24.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: They probably should have lost.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they played a much better game.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: For once, I I felt like they outplayed the Lions most of the game.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's just, you know, the Lions are a good team, they're a good offense.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: They held them under their average.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just, boy, if that fourth and two goes their way, it's just it's a much normal win than whatever that was at the end.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what the NFL wants.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's why the NFL calls those stupid pass.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be an absolute fool to bet money on the NFL.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I've said this before on podcasts before.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is why my wife was said, Oh, you knew this team was gonna win, that team was gonna win.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that this this they can interpret the rule book any way they want, whenever they want, however they want.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: And do you want your money in the hands of Carl Jeffers?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, I would have been fine with that yesterday.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he'd talk about you would have trusted him with your 401k.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, heck yeah.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Mark and I sign up.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um the you you meant you talked about Peyton Manning.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: You can't compare Jared Goff to like Peyton Manning.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: At least from the the way they stood in the pocket.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't think you know he quite has that pre pedigree.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: But no, fair.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: But that game reminded me a lot of um that 2005 playoff game.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Where they held this super high-powered offense completely in check for the better part of three quarters, but then like the super high powered offense finally is just like, you know, we're so good, we're just gonna start putting together some drives and scores, and then you're hoping that you can outlast them or make some defensive plays at that point, which is kind of what happened in both of those games.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and, you know, really full credit to the offense because the offense never stopped scoring.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they got a touchdown in the fourth quarter after the Lions got their for their touchdown, then they should have had, like you said, the field goal and Boswell just, you know, bad snap and all that stuff.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: So the offense, I don't think, punted the entire second half, and that's very similar to the Miami game last week, where they just kept turning out points.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's probably the most encouraging thing.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: That and the ability to stop the run.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like you had, we said this two weeks ago.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, two teams that can really run the ball.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: ACAN and Gibbs are are maybe the two best running backs in the league, and you faced them in back-to-back weeks.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then, man, Derek Harman being in there, what a difference that guy makes.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: That guy's a stud.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's just amazing.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: We we cited that stat before, it's like 100 yards a game rushing when he's in the game.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: It had to be more than that this week.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: I the whole Detroit under like 20-something yards rushing is insane.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it wasn't like that we were out to a big lead early.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: They were up 10-3 for you know all the way until halftime.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't like a game where it's like, oh, well, they didn't run the ball because we were up 21-0 and they just had to pass.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, they had plenty of opportunity to establish a running game and they just couldn't do it.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it's on to those Cleveland Browns.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, by the way, in more Steelers good news, um, the Patriots beat the Ravens.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: So if the Steelers beat the Browns, that's the division, right, Tim?
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, Steve.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: The Packers play the Ravens on Saturday night.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: If the Packers win that game, then we wake up Sunday morning and the Browns game doesn't even matter.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Woo-hoo! Yeah, go pack, go.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Talk about an ig in enigmatic team.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: You figure out the Green Bay Packers, and yeah.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: That that seems to be like the whole NFL this year.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: And and the bad thing for that game is Jordan Love got concussed last week.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: So Malik Willis, uh well, and Malik Willis hurt his shoulder.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, geez, who's left?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: They have a lot of people.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Is Philip Rivers available?
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, he's playing, he's playing for Indianapolis.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's the thing.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe they can get Brett Favre to come back.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: I but yeah, I I'm really I mean, that's what you really have to hope that Jordan Love gets out of the concussion protocol so that he can play in that game.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the they're they're fighting for a playoff spot, Green Bay is.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, here's what you want to root for this week.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: You want to root Thursday, the Christmas Day game, Detroit plays Minnesota.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: You want Detroit to win that.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because if Detroit loses that, I think Green Bay's in the playoffs then.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: So you want Detroit to beat Minnesota so that they know that they have to now beat Baltimore.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Then you want to root for Love to be back.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right, so that they have a fighting chance.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now Lamar got hurt in that game, too, so you don't know if he's gonna play.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh boy, this could be the battle of like the fourth string quarterbacks.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: It could be Snoop Huntley versus whoever Green Bay's got left.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: But that would be so nice to wake up Sunday morning and be like, you know what?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't even matter.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: If that happens, here's how we start the game.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: We just have like, you know, who we have Mason Rudolph, who's our third string quarterback.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: Will Howard.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, put Will Howard out there and go, okay, Miles Garrett, get your meaningless sack out of the way.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: Run over to Miles Garrett, like fall down in front of him, let him fall on you, and they go, okay, there's your stupid record.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: Ha ha ha! It's totally phony baloney.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like totally Brett Favre him with Michael Strahan.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like make his record like tainted for the rest of Ty.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Have Mason Rudolph do it, and then when he gets up to celebrate, have Mason Rudolph take off his helmet and start whacking him with it.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: That would be that would be ironic, wouldn't it?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it would be even more like I like somebody should just do it just to make it look like, oh yeah, you got your record, but what does it mean?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Does it mean anything?
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but the problem is he'll get like two more sacks next week, and then then he can say it's legitimate.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, we have to play the Browns.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that's at home, right?
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's in Cleveland.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it is in Cleveland, okay.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, yay, ooh.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's not an easy win.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's Cleveland.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Cleveland like gave uh, who was that?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: The Buff the Bills a run for their money.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: So Cleveland hasn't totally packed it in yet.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Cleveland is one of those teams that's a lot better than their record.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: They just are, and they have a good defense.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime you have a good defense, you you're always in games.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so that will not be an easy win.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's a division win.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's at Cleveland.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna want to beat us.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: We won't have Metcalf.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we really could use a favor here at Green Bay Packers.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: You already stole our seventh Super Bowl way.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: The least you could do is beat the Ravens for us, please.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, on that note, I I think the Steelers have made the playoffs, Tim.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: I I I I think I mean it would be really I mean, am I premature here?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, sometimes I have that problem, but I used to have that problem.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now I think about football.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: The the the only way that they're out is if they lose to the Browns and Ravens, and the Ravens beat the Packers and the Steelers.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: That could happen.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's not completely uh I I mean that's not totally out of the picture.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I really don't want to be doing this this podcast next week saying, oh, oh nuts, the Ravens won and we've lost to Cleveland, and now everything comes down to that last game of the season with the Ravens and the Steelers because now you have to beat them for a second time, and that's that'll be a 50-50 game, like you said a couple weeks ago.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: That'll just be a you know, that's a rivalry, and sometimes we win that and sometimes they win that.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it would just be nice if it didn't come down to that, but we'll see what happens, I guess.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, all right.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, are the Steelers a pretender?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: Or I mean I they really haven't made a fourth quarter play to seal a win.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean they sacked Lamar Jackson, but they definitely got a beneficial call in Baltimore, and they they probably got one or two in Detroit, too.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's only a matter of time before the NFL officials decide they have to call one against us.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully it's like against Cleveland or a game that doesn't matter or something.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: It it's the NFL.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like it this isn't college football.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not looking for, you know, but why didn't they beat them by 30 points?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they they're the number one team in the country.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: And they no, it's NFL, you're gonna be in all close games from here on out.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then if you get into the playoffs, you know, the three wildcard teams right now, Steve, actually, not not even right now, the three wildcard teams are going to be Buffalo, Los Angeles, and uh Houston.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: So that's who the if the Steelers win the division, that's they play one of those three teams in the first round.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Two of them have already kind of wiped the floor with us.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it it'll be a hard whoever you're whoever you're gonna play is gonna be hard.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: But well, I it feels good to at least be in this position.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, think where we were three weeks ago.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was at the Buffalo game.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I have never I said it at the time, I've never been to a game where people have been more angry and miserable and fed up and done with this team.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: And here we are three weeks later talking about you know clinching the division by the time we even kick off on Sunday.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll say this Aaron Rodgers looks great.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I mean I know his stats don't look like it, but he looks like I mean, whatever it is with him, and I don't know why.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think I I can never put my finger on why people don't like him except for the whole like COVID thing.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know, and he's a little bit of a weird dude, but yeah, he looks like a he looks like a veteran who is playing really well, making it a big thing.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: He can still throw the ball, Tim.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's not like Peyton Manning in Denver where Peyton had no arm.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Or even like Russell Wilson last year.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this guy has an arm.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: He can still throw.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: He can't move like he used to, but this dude can still throw.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he can move enough to make it count.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean if you can keep him upright, you got a chance in every game.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: If the defense totally doesn't suck and you can keep him upright, you're gonna have a chance against uh anybody who's left in the AFC.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's that feels good.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think if they get into the playoffs, they actually they like those last couple of first round games, it's like okay, we're we're like you kind of when it going into those, you're like, well, maybe there'll be a miracle, but we knew we were gonna lose.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Kansas City and Buffalo, yeah.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: And even last year when we were so dead and we lost four in a row.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: It but this actually feels like we might actually have a chance.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll talk about well, I don't even want to talk about that yet.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: I want to get there first.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're gonna beat Cleveland because Garrett, what Miles Garrett is gonna sack Mason Rudolph, and then they're gonna fight it in the middle field.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: Midfield.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: But but but it would also be really nice to have uh a week of a meaningless game because then everybody that's kind of playing through injury and all that stuff could just rest.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think the best case scenario is the Steelers have to win in Cleveland, they win in Cleveland, and then the Baltimore game doesn't mean anything, and they just rest everybody.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's probably their best.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably the likeliest scenario, but you don't know, it might all come down to Baltimore.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's a scary proposition, Tim.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: So well, thank you for uh, you know, it doesn't come down to Baltimore's this podcast and you listening to it.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: So um we're glad even for the people in Baltimore that might be listening to it.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you're Steelers fans, maybe you're just Ravens fans that are massages.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 39:19
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• 39:27
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• 39:29
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• 39:31
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• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we'll be coming out with another one next Tuesday, probably.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we'll keep on turning these current events out at least for the next three weeks until you are the first round of the playoffs.