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Brad Olsen: Infometrics Principal Economist on Nicola Willis revealing the Government will make its first withdrawal from the Super in 2028 · Best of Business

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  Speaker 2: Now, Nicholas Oh, I'm going to get back. There's a
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  Speaker 2: Nikola Willis has today announced the government will make its
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  Speaker 2: first withdrawal from the super Fund, first ever, in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight with us now is Brad Olson Infmetric's principal economist.
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  Speaker 3: Hey Brad good evening.
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  Speaker 2: Now. Last year the projection was that the first would
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  Speaker 2: first dip into it in twenty thirty three. So why
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  Speaker 2: has this come forward by five years?
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  Speaker 3: Well, effectively, it looks like the government doesn't need to
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  Speaker 3: contribute quite as much into the future, and that as
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  Speaker 3: soon as the model shows that there's not a contribution
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  Speaker 3: to be made, that's effectively when the withdrawal starts to happen. Now,
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  Speaker 3: all of this is not really a government choice. This
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  Speaker 3: has laid out in legislation passed back in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and one, I believe as the Superfund was coming in.
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  Speaker 3: So this isn't you know, the government of the day
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  Speaker 3: deciding they're going to do one thing or another. This
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  Speaker 3: is very much just the mathemat of it. But what
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  Speaker 3: it suggests as well is that obviously we are getting
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  Speaker 3: closer and closer to that time where the model shows
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  Speaker 3: that actually the cost of the New Zealand Super scheme
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  Speaker 3: is large, clearly and it needs to start to get
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  Speaker 3: a bit of help from the super Fund to smooth
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  Speaker 3: that over generations.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so this is an indication of us having hit
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  Speaker 2: some sort of a threshold with how much we're paying
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  Speaker 2: in pensions, is it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's in my view, that's part of it. I
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  Speaker 3: mean that's also looking. I mean that the complicated formula
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  Speaker 3: that goes into it looks at a whole range of things,
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  Speaker 3: the cost of the Super scheme into the future, what
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  Speaker 3: our economic growth is likely to be, like, what the
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  Speaker 3: cost of future outgoings from the scheme and everything will be. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but it does mean we know over time that New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand Super is starting to cost us more and more
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  Speaker 3: as a proportion of GDP. We know that in the
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  Speaker 3: upcoming budget, New Zealand Super is going to be a
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  Speaker 3: larger line item than the entire education budget. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's showing time and time again that these costs are
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  Speaker 3: coming through, so it does highlight there's a challenge and
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  Speaker 3: that is also what the super scheme was designed to
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  Speaker 3: do over time, and that fund would help smooth just
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  Speaker 3: how big that cost was going to get.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now, did you get any kind of a clearer
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  Speaker 2: picture as to what is going to happen to key
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  Speaker 2: we saver in the budget?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I don't think the Finance Minister's given too much
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  Speaker 3: away today apart from saying that KEII Saver wasn't focus.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you spoke to her a week
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  Speaker 3: or two back about the potential for the contributions that
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  Speaker 3: government makes to top up kei we savers, you know,
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  Speaker 3: might be under a bit of pressure. The Finance Minister
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  Speaker 3: won't go anywhere near answering that in the lead up
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  Speaker 3: to Budget day. I wonder as well though, particularly the
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  Speaker 3: focus might well be maybe that conversation, but also potentially
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  Speaker 3: increasing the minimum contribution rates over time, so a bit
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  Speaker 3: more targeted from the government in terms of the contributions
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  Speaker 3: that they give back, but also lifting those contributions like
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  Speaker 3: Australia has done, that would help people save more over time.
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  Speaker 3: So some potentials in the mix. But put it this way,
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  Speaker 3: key we saver also social investment looking like a real
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  Speaker 3: key focus for the government. Limited amount of money they've
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  Speaker 3: got to play with me they need to get best
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  Speaker 3: bang for buck.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, why is the New Zealand initiative not allowed into
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  Speaker 2: the budget lock up? But you are?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean that's a question for Treasury as to
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  Speaker 3: who they choose who gets in. I mean that seems
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  Speaker 3: to be a little bit of a who's in who's
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  Speaker 3: out at the moment. Well, I mean we've put our
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  Speaker 3: application in, as we've done for coming up well over
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  Speaker 3: a decade now at Infometrics. I mean we all provide
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  Speaker 3: different insights and views, you know that. Really it's a
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  Speaker 3: question for Treasury and I think again, it seems odd
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  Speaker 3: that these organizations have been allowed to apply but not
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  Speaker 3: told until a week out from budget that they're not
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  Speaker 3: allowed to go in. I would have thought they might
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  Speaker 3: have been told right at the start, look, don't even
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  Speaker 3: apply because you're not in the criteria. Letting them apply
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  Speaker 3: and then letting them down a week out very very odd.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm glad you're there. Brad brad Olson, Infometrics
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  Speaker 2: Principle Economists.
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