Latest / CrossPolitic Show / How AI Blood Work Caught What Traditional Medicine Keeps Missing (ft. Nathan Graville)
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- Hey y'all welcome to Cosball Taker on the fight lab feast network. It's so good to be with you. We're actually at Ancest if you can not kind of look around this is actually our our studio booth at Amphest it literally just doors over just like 30 minutes ago. Yeah, we've been here for a day and a half because you got to get your booth all set up and all that stuff. Door is open for us yesterday. Door is open for us yesterday and that was when we can actually bring in all the knives and ammo and everything we wanted. We can't do that today. The security's high. We're gonna get kicked out already that fast. I don't know you. So talk knocks on the water boy. Course pastor Toby is actually we had a hundred mile in our wins come through our town yesterday morning and that was when Toby is supposed to fly out and he could fly out Obviously because of the wind so Toby's traveling here. He'll be here. He's actually just landed and everything but I'm everything safe at home. Don't worry. Yes trees fell down. The electricity in my house went out mind tonight live other routes out of town. So electricity goes out like Caning we can't even flush toilets. So we're we're done. We're done. We're we're we're we got problems. So my wife was going to go check into a hotel and literally driving in the parking lot. We have flush the toilets in your house. No because there's no water pumping in. This is all electric. Okay. Right because you got a well. Yeah, get that fixed man. I know I I have a generator but I've never This fixed my problem because I got to fix a hook up the generator to it and everything but life goes on. We're good. My wife's in the house. Electricity's back on. Got us good and everything. So I'm excited actually to bring Nathan into the show. Nathan's CEO and founder of Jevite. Jevite. Go Jevite. Go Jevite. That's right. And you're actually local Arizona just found that local fix. Yep. And he goes he goes to cut Cossie Hens Church. Yes. How about that? That's a church plant, right? Yep. That's our house. Yeah. Okay. Very good man. So you found it. We're just going to start from scratch. Obviously, we know a little bit about what you're doing but not hardly any any at all. But you've found in some other companies before but now you founded go Jevite.com. Love to hear you. What are you guys doing? Why did you find it? What's going on? Yeah. So I started the company after losing my father to lung cancer and 2021 he was 58 years old. He did everything right. He trusted the system. And the best advice the system had to offer him when he went in when his back was feeling off. It felt different. I didn't feel like normal lower back pain. The best advice they had to offer him was to stretch more before he worked out. And stretch out the hammies as the back pains coming from there. Right. Like the yeah. And he was dismissed. You know, come back if it gets worse. Yeah. Well, by the time they figured out what was actually happening, it was too late. They had spread everywhere up his back. It was in and wow. Yeah. I ended up losing him. He by the grace of God was able to watch me and my wife get married at the young age of 22 and then it was just a few months before we found out we were pregnant with our firstborn son. His first grandson who he'd never get a meat and so. Yeah. Well, what was this again? 2021. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Fast in September. Okay. So look, I come from an athletic background. I've taken care of my health for a while. And I did have a previous startup. I sold it earlier that year and wasn't rushed into the next thing. I knew when he passed away that I get into the space. Yeah. And I saw the writing on the wall. My background is off where technology. I'm not medicine. So if you have medical related questions, there's people at the booth over there to ask. I'm not the person. Not you. Yeah. Yeah. I got back problems. Is there no? I'm just getting some. Well, it gets your blood work done. We we wanted to build a product. Honestly, that I wish my dad would have had something that if he was a subscriber to this, maybe it would have kept him here. Maybe he would have gotten to meet his grandchildren. Now we have two children. So yeah, it's it starts with blood work. It's very comprehensive blood work. We we look at five times more than what the standard full panel will look at. And we use AI to really help interpret these results. And then we have a whole care team. We have doctors, nurse practitioners, coaches, our longevity specialists. And they also use AI. So it's an AI driven company. And we're really making sense of all of this information. Not just blood work, but your wearable metrics as well. If you're wearing like a napalwadge or an or a ring or something like that. So it'll sink with an apple watch. Yeah, it'll it'll sink. So we the idea is we can compile all of this information. And we want to start doing this with everybody today. I mean, where the youngest will ever be right now. And if we start today, we'll be able to catch friends while intervention is still simple. It just starts with measure. And you have to look at the right things. You don't just want to, you know, just fly blind and just start measuring and then information overload. What I do with all of this. That's where Jebady comes into play. We make sense of all of it. And then we we help you get to the optimal state. Yeah. Very cool. And then I'm just going to ask these basic basic questions. You probably I answered a million times. But like it's an app you download. You sign in. You get your blood work done. Your company submits a blood work panel to the app on my behalf. And it reads it and gives me kind of my update on what's going on my blood panel and so forth. I'll walk you through the process. So I'm going to find out to go ahead. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, but you'll tell you let me tell you the process first. Then you direct me. No, I'm just kidding. I'm going to be well wrong. You'll you'll sign up. And we'll send somebody out to your house or your off. I get my blood work done at the office while I'm in meetings all the time. And so we'll come to you. It's already out of the gates far more convenient. We don't have to go to a lab. So we live in Idaho. They come to us. That depends how rural or you. Okay. Are you out there? Oh, we're in a call. It's them. Okay. Well, we should be able to come out to you. Um, we're able to come out to those people. Yeah. So we'll draw your blood. The results will go back to the lab. They'll give them back to us. It'll run for our AI and our model that we built to interpret all of this. What we call synthesis synthesizes all of this information. And it'll flag certain things. It'll make certain notes. And then our medical team will actually come in and interpret all of it. And I will meet with you. We'll create a comprehensive care plan. It's it's designed to take every single biomarker that we're looking at, which is over a hundred different biomarkers. And it's quite simple. We just want to get every single biomarker back into the optimal state. And it sounds like that's a crazy feat. It sounds like it's a big challenge. But with the right tools and the right plan, it's it's really not. And you know, we're able to help a lot of people with a lot of different issues that they would have never known that they had unless they would have gone and looked underneath the hood. Yeah. And so your Apple obviously tracked those biomarkers over the years. Are you improving in each biomarker? That kind of thing. Every six months, we'll do your blood. Now, one of the questions I have right now because he's talked about optimal biomarkers, optimal blood work stuff like that. Since 2020, the medical industrial complex has lost me. Like it's lost to me. And it's lost to me from their stupid food pyramid all the way down to all the government education that goes into instructing our doctors on how to think about medical, the medical process, stuff like that. So the biomarkers, why should I believe what you're putting together as optimal biomarkers? You know the saying, it is the standard by which we're saying this is the optimal. That makes sense. That's a great question. Great question. And it's great to be skeptical. By the way, across the board, the labs will give us reference ranges. And that is what all doctors are going off of. But that reference range is so broad. It is so wide. And so if you pull anywhere with this reference range, which is very wide, they're going to say you're fine. And they're going to send you home and you're not going to qualify for, you know, if it's hormone replacement therapy, if you're within this reference range, they're going to say, no, oh yeah, you're not low enough. And so there's not one optimal state that's universal. So your optimal might look different than my optimal. And my optimal is going to look different than your optimal. We're looking at a lot of different. We're looking, of course, at age sex. We're also looking at ethnicity. And so we just have a large data set. And we've been able to determine with machine learning what is optimal. And we've gotten to a really good spot. But you know, there's marginal changes as more data comes in. Maybe, you know, optimal might move up a couple percentage points or like basis points, you know, point 0.01% or something like that. But yeah, so if somebody's claiming that this is the optimal state and everybody should be reaching this, I would also be skeptical of that, because there's not one optimal. Our optimals are going to look different. So you're your coder, if you're afraid to say, I even like self-taught. Okay. How did that happen? About going into college. Well, how it happened was video game. Okay. Video games. Video games. Mom and dad, you know, video games. Video games. Yeah. But not the good reasons. Trying to exploit video games, honestly, ah, that's what led me into elementary level software engineering, right? I can do a thing or two, but we've got far smarter engineers at gravity by myself. I want to hear about how we're going to get there. But I want to know, what were you trying to exploit in games in order to be able to that that paint your interest? You guys remember that game club penguin? There do I know. No, definitely not. No. Okay. When were you bored? Uh, I was born in 98. Okay. 20 size and 90s boy. Oh, 70. Okay. Yeah. I'll remove that game. Oh, children. I don't know if your children played it. But no, I was just trying to get more coins. Get more coins. Okay. Oh, that brought me to Jevvy. And so then so it's amazing. How important is AI? Do you think right now to the medical industry? Because I think there's a lot of talk about AI people are afraid of it. And you guys built an SLM. Would that be the right way for what you're doing? So you kind of built your own AI around the tech and what you guys are in the medical industry? Is that fair to say or? Uh, yeah. So we have our own like machine learning and we use large language models and can we filter on software? Uh, we don't own a proprietary like LLM, right? Oh, oh, I mean, we would have to raise probably, I don't know, a hundred billion dollars. Well, I still have that game at this point. Um, but to answer your question, if you're not, if you're in the medical space and you're not adopting AI, then you're not long for the medical space. That's just the reality. It is, it's becoming adopted. But it's also, you know, it's a little scary because this is still uncharted territory for us. So it needs to be used responsibly. However, it is something that absolutely does need to be incorporated into the medical industry across the board. It'll have major implications for good. I mean, we're talking about not a super intelligence, but somebody who is very, very smart as a copilot there to assess and analyze and even listen to your conversations like we don't have to have scribes anymore. We have AI scribes, yeah, doing all of our charting notes for us or it just makes, it allows Jevety to see far more people than we otherwise would be able to without AI without sacrificing care at all. Well, let's interesting is like we were just talking about this with your representative that we were talking to. And I think it was chat GPT, they stopped doing medical analysis. And I think Groc still does. But so AI, some AI is even opting out of that probably because of the controversy or not wanting to get sued for misdiagnosis or whatever. How are you sort? Yeah, well, that's a smart thing. And by the way, whoever everybody who's listening do not take your blood work and try to just run a pure Groc or chat GPT. Look, these LLMs, these large language models, they seem really smart. They're not as smart as a team, right? So the best way I can put it is an LLM is like a glorified auto fill. Like your phone, it has auto fill. It just does that a lot faster across a lot more data. It's not that smart. It's good at pattern recognition, but it doesn't think on the phone. And so do not just upload your blood work to a big tech company and it will give you an output that seems totally convincing. It'll convince you that this is right because it's saying it with confidence. If you've ever talked to chat GPT, it's never going to say something like maybe, maybe, right? It's going to say it like it's the truth. And that can become very problematic if it's very confident in the output yet totally off base. And the thing is, it might be partially right, but it might not be totally right. And the part where it gets wrong could have major health implications, which is probably why chat should be T stopped allowing people to run through or their health information through it. How long does it take after somebody runs the blood work before you guys get active? So there's two parts or three parts. There's a tech side of this. There's the medical side of this. And then there's the medicine side of this, right? So you guys are operating all three of those categories. So I get my blood. I sign up and get the app from the app store, right? Um, schedule with you guys some sort of get your get my blood, hate needles, but I'll go through it. And then the process in which you let me know, okay, here's what is going on with your body. And there's a connection to the things that I need medicine that I need in order to be able to get better. Walk me through that time frame. Okay. So if you scheduled or if you signed up today, we can probably get out to your house tomorrow the next day really fast. Okay. It'll take depending on where you're located, depending on the lab, it'll take between two to maybe five business days to get those results back. But we're still engaging with you. We're learning more about you. It's not blood work is critically important. Everybody needs to be doing it, but it's it's not the full context. We need to know about your lifestyle. We need to know about your activity. How much are you sleeping? How much are you working out? So that time, as chat gathering more information to really understand you. So we get your blood work results back. And you'll get notified in the application and we'll create a full care plan what we call our longevity blueprint. We'll hop on a call with you or it'll be asynchronous. We'll we'll do a video recording about 20 minutes long going through every single biomarker in your blood work panel. So the thing with traditional labs is nobody knows you're looking at. It's just like all of this information with numbers and words that they can't pronounce or they don't understand and then their hand of this report. And the doctor says you're fine and then you're out. But it should be it should be done in a way. The way that we do it where it's very digestible where you can really understand what these biomarkers mean and how it relates to you and your life and maybe why you're feeling this way. Maybe your doctor has been telling you for years. You're fine. You're fine. Trust me. You're fine. And then you do this panel. We're looking at something that they weren't looking at. And it's it's the solve for all their issues. I just have to get this back up. We do something really cool. We start with the basics nutrition, fitness, we have coaches. So we'll meet me with you once a quarter four times a year. And we'll coach you through whatever it is. 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I'm waiting till breakfast which goodness it's probably a little late for breakfast. And it's sent to your house every month. It could not be more convenient and we'll just keep meeting with you. Meeting with you and meeting with you we have doctors license in 47 states. Were you able to send the medications straight to your door? Your AI has doctor licenses in 37 states. AI's license in all states. I'm sorry, go ahead. I was so then episode we get the medicine. So this is like the Swiss Army knife of of multivitamins basically you can say. And the yeah I like that analogy. Yeah, but precision is surgical. You're not taking anything that you don't need. Right. So quite literally people are peeing their supplements down the toilet a lot of time. Or you know maybe they think that they're taking something but they bite off of Amazon and it's a dupe or it's it's under dose with that ingredient. So you know it's one thing to know you should be taking it's another thing to ensure that you're getting it from the right place. The place that you can trust. Okay. This says magnesium L3 and 8. I know for certain that this has a 100% magnesium L3 and 8 nothing else in it. That doesn't sound like it should be a concern but it is a concern. And we'll do your blood every six months. This it's not a one and done thing. I lost my father because he didn't do enough testing. So there's a frequency component but also the testing that he would have done if he went to his primary care doctor would not have been comprehensive enough. So you need to do it at a certain cadence but you also need to be making sure that you're looking at the right things. And that's where Jebady comes into play. You need a digestible report. How do I make sense of all this information and then you need an action plan? Okay, I know I'm not optimal. How do I get to optimal? And we are like this all in one all inclusive AI driven platform that honestly I just wish my dad had in the mission is to to hopefully make my story not as common as it is. I just literally texted your website to my wife because my wife's in the health industries. I said before and I'm you know she had to go through this whole blood process and literally took her about five years to figure everything out. And part of the problem that we didn't know at the beginning was doctors weren't give the full blood pan. They're just told by the government, by the government college or whatever it's like oh here's the blood panel you always give. You know now if it's further than you know if you think they got cancer than broader blood panel whatever you know and and she had thyroid problem and they were only giving like half of what she needed to see for her thyroid. So it took her even years to figure out which blood panel she needed at first place to be able to sort through this. And then after about three years she started being able to dial it in. I mean she you know she had she tells us live. So she talks about this on her show on her water break show. But I mean her hair was falling out like from the thyroid problem. So she was sleeping well she would get super cold like her hands looked like she had renaulds if you know renaulds are her hands would get hell white just for no reason. So just kind of weird things. But once she started dialing in her thyroid it but it took her the biggest problem was like the first probably two years was figuring out oh doctors are giving the both panels I need anyways in the first place. Yeah. By the way your wife's story we every single all the time every single day. And it's the same thing it's my doctor wasn't testing for enough if they would have just it would have been years earlier that I would have found out why I feel this way. Why am I unable to lose weight? Yeah you're right. You're dead. Why's my back hurt? Right exactly. Yeah. So I want to end with this because I'm really fascinated about what you guys are doing. I've been watching a lot of health and tech and and I'm looking I'm like are we we're getting pretty close to the point where we'll have a device that we can wear hopefully that will be a poor four sub. I'm look I'm well I mean we already wear watches 24 seven. I mean so I think we're going and people are willing to diabetes thing that let's them know hey okay your blood sugar is too high or too low and so we're going to the point now that some of these devices will be able to read our blood panels or send them to someone and then send us the supplements that we need just on a regular rotating schedule and it sounds like you guys are getting really close to that. Yeah what we're talking about here is lab on chip technology. Yeah from a heart tech person. Lab on chip. Yeah lab on chip. Very similar to you had mentioned a continuous glucose monitor. Yeah by the way a lot of people should be wearing those even if they are non diabetic you need to know what your blood glucose looks like when you eat certain things if you're eating certain things that are spiking your blood glucose and you have no idea it is causing problems and you play that over a long period of time it is going to cause a major problem and so even if you're even if you're the healthiest version of yourself healthier than you've ever been it's not a bad idea to wear blood glucose monitor. Lab on chip technology where from a heart tech perspective a little far off we're not there yet but that is that's the vision right. One wearable that does everything. One wearable that is able to tell you that 10 days before you have a cold that you're getting a cold before you have your first symptom. See I love it. I want that lab on chip thing because I got high blood pressure and I just want to be able to like tune in my blood pressure with that lab on chip. It's a real high right now I'm a dialed down. That's nice. That's the one side that's about how. Yeah so so as you guys are so somebody want to go to right now go to the website or just go to the app store they can get the app. Go Jevety. Yes and if they're here at the event Amphas you guys are doing blood draws right now right. Yeah we're doing blood draws always can't do this well here. Oh we can do it. Yeah come by. Okay is it going to break the bank? They're going to break the bank? No it's it's I believe if not the most affordable option on the market one of them. Okay it's goodness it's less than a cup of coffee. I mean no each day. Each new really. It's great. So how much am I? Well if we do semi annual so I think our lowest plan is 3 399 okay it's great. It's 899 semi annual later. I mean it's like yeah. What do you think about it is a gym. I'm just gonna include the blood. It includes the ones. Yeah wow. No that's that's this yeah. We've got to do it every six a month. I mean it's two to four hundred dollars for blood panel. Yeah no and also we don't stop at blood work. Okay so there's other specialty tests that we offer got health testing. Goodness you guys should also do a got health test for asking everybody to get a health test. Okay you need to talk to Joel Green. Okay the one like I mentioned he's an expert in gut health. He's done a lot of reforming that in that world in the last five years. Tall, Christian brother. He's at a Southern California. He's coming or our water breaks down with that I mentioned up in March but I'm not saying you don't know what you're doing. I'm just saying he's a great guy in that gut space that it has connected really and it's stuff yeah. That's great. Well man thank you for having a good show. Great have you here. I'm gonna come check out you guys both and tell everybody they can find you at what website. Yeah gogevity.com you can find us on social media at Gogevity. My name's Nate Graville and the CEO and founder. You can find me on Instagram as well Nate Graville. Oh and guys get your blood work done. You have to get your blood work done. It's it is the you have to establish a baseline today. You're the youngest you'll ever be. You won't be younger than you are right now and now is the time to make that stuff. There's a machine. We're situational. Yeah thanks for having me.