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Ghost Points On The Rise I Ep: 94 · Draft Offsides Podcast

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Do you want to play spin the wheel or are we just done?
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I think you're like that I. Feel like you're done with us,
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Keith, the way you just. I'm kind of done with you guys.
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Yeah, you're right. Motherfucker.
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Hey. You're right, I have something
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we could talk about. OK.
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Sure. Are you guys ready for this?
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I don't know. I don't know, smoke on your
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face. Legit under Xavi Alonzo.
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Hello, welcome to Episode 94, Draft Off Sides.
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My name is Keith, I'm with Tico Denzo, and today we're going to
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start by giving Tico the platform to talk about Bruno
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Fernandez. All right, finally got a chance.
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So Bruno Fernandez resigned because he wants to play in a
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real league now Go to Saudi or Saudi or Yeah.
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Why retire in Saudi when you can retire at Manchester United?
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And probably get paid the same and all the glory in the world.
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I, I don't know if you guys watch the Nations League or not.
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I was watching the Nations League.
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And what Bruno Fernandez does. Doesn't matter who's a talent
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around him, whether it's likes of Britannia or the Portuguese
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people, Leo and Cristiano Ronaldo, or the bums that he
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plays with Manchester United now, the guy is amazing.
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I feel like if you played on a great team and he got all those
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trophies, accomplishments, team, you know, all of that stuff, he
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would be in the same conversation with the Tony
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Cruz's Luca Modric's Chaviesta. That's what I call
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Chavinaniesta. I I actually agree with you.
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I agree with you, yeah. With which what can what?
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You say he's like Iniesta or Javi.
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He is a don't get wrong, I think he's a really good player.
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He just, he takes. Like I don't, I don't think he
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means, I think he means like the level of greatness, not like his
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actual like I think he does all the things that those guys.
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Do And so you're telling me if you take out Tony Cruiser, Chavi
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or Aniesta and you put in Bruno Fernandez, those teams don't
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have the same level of success? In fact, I think they do he.
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He has the same vision passing his.
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Position isn't that good but he's got a good passage but he's
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decision making isn't the best. He puts so many balls into like
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areas that he wishes they would get to.
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Because he sees the vision where the players should be there and
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the play, the people he's passing to Tony Cruz, Luca
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Moldridge, Chaviesta, they're passing to the likes of Mamar,
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Luis Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Bill Isco, whereas this person's
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ties to freaking Hoyland. Yeah, OK, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
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put a plug in this combo. But I I think ultimately the big
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news is that Bruno resigned and Bruno's definitely elite.
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Yeah. He's gonna be, but I don't think
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he'd be as successful as those players would be.
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He scores more goals than all of those first people.
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He does score. He is a really like when you
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talk about a goal scoring midfielder, he definitely fits
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that box, you know? OK, so that that's the Bruno
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Fernandez combo. Anything else we want to talk
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about from the from the Manchester United standpoint and
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Wemble looks like that Wemble they made a United made a better
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offer for Wemble. So that's kind of interesting.
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Just it's going to happen. It feels like now it.
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Just looks like that Man United team and this is but I'm more
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this is what I'm worried about that they do well, but they
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barely do enough with these players like you know when they
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go. Yeah, I mean.
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Di Maria where they have pod bars slaughter and they pull all
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these really good and these aren't even on the same level as
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those, you know what I mean? But they could win a leak up.
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Yeah, I mean, I think I you you keep thinking United is going to
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do something different and like maybe invest in youth and like
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build from the ground up and do stuff like that.
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But instead they just keep trying to like buy their way out
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of this hole. Like they keep trying to throw
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money at a problem. I'm just worried that the
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catfishing like. But maybe may I mean you mean
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like all the players that go to United are all catfishing us
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like? I feel like May and I as a team
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is going to it feels like they're catfishing me right now,
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but they look like a good team. They sound like a good team, but
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when it comes down to the pitch, Ameren's going to make them look
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like a fucking that ugly friend in the in the bar that's cop
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locking you. That just uses a lot of filters.
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Hey, what about do you hear these rumors about in Cuckoo and
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Gar Nacho Swat? Would you?
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You would do it. Would you do it?
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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I'd do it without a doubt. As a Chelsea fan, Yeah, yeah,
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Chico, probably. I don't.
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Chico probably doesn't feel any way about it.
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It's not very he's. Not He's not a real Man United
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fan. Well anytime you swat out
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Garnache you would think it's an upgrade but this is the right
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scenario where Ankuku is the downgrade.
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Yeah, he's cuckoo has definitely been a disappointment.
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OK, then moving on to other Chelsea news, Madoeke, there's
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been rumors that he's for sale. They take about 50 million for
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him. A little bit surprising.
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I agree. I think it's just a matter of if
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they can sell an asset to, you know, it's just like the Chelsea
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business model and he's not like, you know, I just don't
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think anyone's going to spend 50 mil for him.
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I think he's not going anymore. I think it's just a rumor.
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He's like a 30 million player. I feel like I've been wrong
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every single time I say something so.
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Let's see. And then Jackson getting this
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red in the Club World Cup, do you feel like like, and then the
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lap scored today in this game that's going on right now just
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because we're recording on Tuesday.
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Do you think that he's creeping up in rankings?
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The the lap is Jackson is sabotaging himself.
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Yeah, it's 100%. I think Jackson's falling, the
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lapse creeping up. We'll see what happens there.
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I. Think he's he's literally saw
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the the New Girl, the New Girl walk into the classroom and now
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he's trying to do everything in his power to get attention in
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all the wrong ways. Oh man, Petulance.
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OK, words confirmed for Liverpool.
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So I he's actually been creeping on my rankings.
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I think I have him back in the. You're so Hong Kong first.
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Round. You are so first round.
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You are so Hong. Kong at 7.
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I'm 7th in my rankings now all. Right.
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Would you take him over as a yes?
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Even if he goes to Tottenham. Especially if he goes to
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Tottenham. You.
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Motherfucker. It's just taught them suck.
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Because the European champions is OK.
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I don't think that the upside, the upside of words is really
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exciting. And that's a much more exciting
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pick than like thinking about picking in Bueno and being like,
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well, hopefully that wasn't like, you know, like when you
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pick up Bueno, you're hoping that he does the exact same
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thing again. Like you're picking him, you're
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buying him high and like you're hoping that he can be that good
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again. You're never, you're not really
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thinking he can. He's going to be better than
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that. You know what I mean?
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I don't think Bueno is going to be better than that.
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I don't think Cunha is going to be better than that.
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With words, it's like this magical thing.
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You just don't know what you're going to get.
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It's like a, it's like a pack, a pack of soccer cards.
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You just don't know what's going to be inside.
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I agree with Bueno. I don't agree with Kunya.
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Kunya could be better. Keith, There's an episode of
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Family Guy where Peter goes to the somewhere Else where they're
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like they give you a motor boat and you have the option of
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taking a motor boat or a mystery box.
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Do you guys know what I'm talking about?
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Where Peter Griffin goes I. Haven't seen it but I I I I like
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relate to this. He feels like a boat's a boat,
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but a mystery box could be in anything, even a boat.
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But I feel that's how you are like words could be amazing,
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like but. I think it's like it's he could
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be anything, but like you, you know, he's going to be at least
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pretty good. No, I think so too, especially,
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you know what I mean, especially as the whole team.
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I think a lot of these. Players.
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Are going to be violent and that fantasy.
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And that's exactly it. I think if if worse was going to
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United or Chelsea or even Arsenal, I wouldn't be as hot on
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him. I think the Liverpool system and
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everything, the infrastructure at that club just makes it easy
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for players 660. 6 So you know couple of things. 1 Outside of
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Holland, who has come from a German league and made an impact
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right away in the Premiership. 2 When was the last time Liverpool
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brought a player that was amazing fantasy wise?
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The first year when we look at back the three last past three
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years, but. He's going to change all those
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things where it says no, I, I understand the risks.
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He has a good point because Liverpool players, this is one
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thing about Liverpool, they when they buy a good player, they
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give them time to settle in. They don't get freaking ripped
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apart by the team, which is pretty good.
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And that's kind of, yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying.
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But I, I think I hear your point too.
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There is there, the Bundesliga attack is the real thing.
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So we got to keep in mind that. Let's stick to Liverpool like
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Kirk is looks like he's is he done or that still in the.
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Right. If it's not done, it's pretty
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darn close to done. And I, I mean, you just have to
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assume that's happening. And so then that means that he
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creeps up boards a lot. I mean, we're talking you
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they're they're going to have two elite backs first five
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rounds easy. I don't know.
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You think Kuck Kuck has his claws, his elite already?
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He's, I mean, he's talking about what Andy Robertson did there.
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I mean, no, I don't think he's an elite yet, but I'm thinking
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that there's the potential there and I think that he's going to
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be like he's going to be someone's number one defender.
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Like, yeah, no, he's going. To be someone's first offender.
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And I I agree and I do think with Liverpool, with the buys
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they're doing right now, there's only one thing they can do to
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make it worth they have to go. Back which is so.
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They have no, they have to go back-to-back winning the fucking
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league. Yeah, I like it and it's
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building from strength. I I respect it.
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Like, you know, we're we were so good last year where let's just
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capitalize and keep moving forward.
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Speaking of that, though, with crickets leaving, it looks like,
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and I mean even more so that that backing up that crickets is
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going to leave that Bournemouth picked up Adrian Trifford for
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he's a French international. Like Kirk has replacement 300.5
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million, not the most fantastic numbers, but I also think that
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he's fairly young. And so that's that's a but he's
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a potential interesting one that I like as like a as like a later
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round defender. I don't know if he's like he's
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not like going to be elite or anything.
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And the other thing to note is fur Lopez to Wolves.
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I think it was like a $23 million by Spanish young attack
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centre attacking midfielder. I'm not like, I'm not super
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excited about it. Like, I'm not like I have to get
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this guy or anything, but he's just kind of something to know
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and to keep an eye on it's. Worrying because you don't want
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to be like when you picked up Strand Lawson and begin the
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season thinking he was going to be, you know what I mean?
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But he ended, he ended up coming good.
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That's. What I'm saying at the end of
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it, but I feel like fur Lopez you you're going to have to
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wait. Maybe a?
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Little bit potentially. Yeah, especially on the Wolves.
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I think it's one of those players like you don't draft but
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he's on your watch list or as one of those players you draft.
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Like in a SEC, the bottom of of the draft were like, hey, this
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is when I take some chances on potential players that could be
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pretty good. Totally agree.
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Enzo just typed in Trafford in Newcastle rumor.
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I kind of hate that just guys think Trafford playing for
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Burnley right? I think that'd have been a fun
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fantasy asset. Yeah, I think it would have been
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another live sells or, or what's his name?
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Mitch or something? Something like that.
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From a few years ago, but yeah, if he goes to Newcastle I think
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he'll still be good though. Yeah, but he's not going to
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interesting. He'll be second.
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I mean, if he goes, you think he'd be second, He'll be second.
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They'll be trying to get rid of the broth guys.
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You think they no Pope? No Pope's number one.
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Pope's OK, That's what you're saying.
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Yeah. Pope's #1 Pope.
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So I wonder if they get Trafford, they try, they get try
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and get rid of Pope. Well.
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That's what I'm saying. Why would you do that?
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Pope's been so good. That makes sense.
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Yeah, I hear you. He's been he's been injured a
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lot, which is really weird for a goalkeeper, but he's been
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injured a lot. OK, Any other rumors we want to
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talk about? As they disperse.
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Come on, I won that so badly. OK, I have a question about this
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though. Is that really what you need?
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Because when I look at your team, you have like Kulasefsky,
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you have Madison, you have these players that can play kind of
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underneath behind the striker. What I feel like you need is
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like a like a like a inverted striker winger type player more
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so than than an essay. Am I wrong or what do you?
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I don't know whatever Mr. Frank wants, partly.
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Honest, I guess you're just. You're just.
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I like to. Frank, we trust.
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Well, no, it's also because we're in Champions League, so
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we're going to have to rotate. Like Sun's getting older.
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You can't always trust Brendan Johnson.
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Kulis FC's got to get in there, I feel like.
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And we just bought like we've only made one buy this season
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and we broke the Japanese J League transfer record and we go
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a. Whop in 5A Whop.
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In five mil on a centre back today.
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All all that rumor, all that fuels me, is that Romero's
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probably gonna be leaving. No, I I think he's a one for the
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future. I don't think there that's a
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purchase. No, I'm not saying it's AI.
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Don't think it's a purchase of him replacing Romero.
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I think Romero's leaving and that pushes up Danso and drag,
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drag us in and then pushes. Him OK.
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That's what I say, but that again, that's what I'm saying.
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We're buying a backup player instead of someone to be slide
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into the start and line up to make an effect.
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Does Eze joining the team downgrade Madison for you in
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drafts? No Or downgrade Kulasevski?
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You think all those guys play? You think they all fit into us
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to the same team? Yeah, great, son.
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Downgrade, son. Yeah, that's the one.
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I agree. That's fair.
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Keith, who's this player Chelsea are going after with Jamie?
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Jamie Gittins, Yeah, Jamie Gittins.
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Yeah, he's good. I mean, he doesn't have a huge
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amount of like gold contributions in the Bundesliga,
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but he seems like very quick and very like a lot of potential,
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very promising, very like Chelsea type buy.
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I think it's going to be tricky to really know what that means
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and how much playing time he's going to get right off the RIP
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and stuff. So I think he's kind of like
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what you're saying, like when to watch and when to keep an eye
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on. But I'm not, I don't think he's
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someone you're going to be jumping on early in drafts or
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anything, personally. And then the last transfer I
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don't, I don't think we talked about is the defensive holding
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midfielder that Arsenal got the Spanish Mandy.
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Yes, I, I mean, good for them. I think that could be a really
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huge transfer for them. And I think that could also, you
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know, like to Enzo's point, that might free up Declan Rice a
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little bit, you know? And well, party is leaving as
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well. It's not come from.
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Yeah, he's he's gone. But what do they need?
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Striker. Striker.
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So yeah, that that's the big one.
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I mean for Zuma, Mindy, too. I I like you know, I know he's a
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little bit more of a one of a creative defensive midfielder.
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So sometimes those guys have value like Bruno gibberish and
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stuff, but I think as a whole that's not, I'm not like licking
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my lips at that for that. Position.
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I'm not, he's not one I'm going to pick up.
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And I was talking with Sergey yesterday.
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He's mentioned that he saw someone on the Arsenal,
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whatever, whatever it is that they talked, that mentioned that
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Rodrigo is becoming more of a more of a serious conversation.
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Back on Yeah. And the last FIFA Club World
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Cup, Rodrigo was healthy and he did not play a minute, he was
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left on the bench. I think it's a point of if
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Rodrigo and his management goes to champion also says they want
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to leave, it's going to be a done deal.
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Not sure what the price point will be.
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And I think it's going to come back to that because Real Madrid
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plays a lot of money for Rodrigo and they're not in the business
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of. Losing How much do they pay for
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Rodrigo? Man, I'll pull up right now,
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but. I you're like 60. 1,000,065 or
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70. So they're not gonna, they're
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not gonna let him go for anything less than what they
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paid for him. They're gonna charge 7080 for
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him. Yeah, I think for sure, yeah.
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So the price they set for him is 90 million.
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Let me. Cool for a bench player I.
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Don't know if I don't know if Arsenal does that hand a
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striker. I don't know if Arsenal, can
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Arsenal afford to do that, hand a striker.
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But if you could go after a striker who's like mid tier or
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Rodrigo, who do you go after? Yeah, I mean, if you go after
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like a mid tier striker and you know, you have Kai Haberts and
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you also got Rodrigo. Yeah, I mean, I, I get it.
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I know, I know. So there's going to be Arsenal
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fans that are obviously rolling around and just pain at the
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thought of that. Though I'd rather have Cesco and
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and a mid tier frigging wing up. Left wing, yeah.
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Really. Yeah, which they already have.
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Well, Rodrigo's. Rodrigo's left.
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In Mahinelli. In Mahinelli.
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No do. It's such a huge upgrade.
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Going from our tonight to Rodrigo, he's such a massive
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upgrade. He's basically got a semi
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talking about Rodrigo right now. Just get out of.
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It I don't know, it'll be interesting.
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It'd be it would be fun to see Rodrigo in the league, but
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ultimately, yeah, I get it. I I could see it would be it'd
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be very much a bad opinions, especially that car.
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I think the fee is the problem. It'd be a very much an Arsenal
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move like to to not get a striker and yeah.
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To not to not get a striker, it would be very much an Arsenal
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move. So terrible.
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All right. All right, let's move on.
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We got one. We got one more.
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We got 1/2. Paul Mullen went on loan to
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Wigan. He left Wrexham.
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What? Cool.
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That's huge. Cool story.
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That's huge, He. Was, you know, it's pretty.
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It's pretty amazing. Why he saw them go through three
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promotions. Yeah.
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Three years, Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.
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You got to respect it. Fucked.
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Up all right, No. Respect it again.
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Let's go. Oh, actually, there's one more.
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The Nikko Williams thing to Barsa makes me feel like as that
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gets closer to actually happening, it makes me think
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that Luis Diaz is being closer to staying at home.
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I don't. Think Luis Diaz is right?
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I said I said this right. I said I never thought he was.
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Going to leave, he's always. Sticking around, but well.
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I'm just saying Saudi still a bunch Saudi.
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You think he really? I don't really think he'd go to
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Saudi. I mean.
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That's why more threat of his parents getting kidnapped and
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sorry, yeah. No, no.
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Safest place ever. No, but if it's he needs the
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money in case his parents get kidnapped again.
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Sorry, no, you're terrible. I think, I think he still thinks
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of himself as an elite player and I don't think he wants to go
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to Saudi where that's like the death knell of your career.
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I. Think so.
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I think he's still got a lot of game left.
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First thing, Nicole Williams to Barcelona is not a death.
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It's not done, but it's getting closer.
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They've agreed to personal terms.
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Dude, Tico's hoping it doesn't happen.
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He's wishing it. Doesn't happen dude.
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Do you want to start talking to Real Madrid now in the?
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Post No, I know you guys. We're, we're getting so
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sidetracked. Let's, let's, let's keep on.
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Do you have anything else of meaning to say about the Nico
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Williams things not being done other than the fact that
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Barcelona is really sketchy in general?
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There's a sketchy team. What are where are they going to
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play? Where are Fina is get out of?
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Here, no, they're going to put, I don't know.
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We don't need that. We don't need to talk about it.
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But Keith? Stay on track.
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Stay on track, Keith. All right, let's move.
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On All right, this next new segment we're going to talk
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about, this is actually dedicated to someone who watches
17:46
our pod and it says comment a few times, Mike Bolan, Mike
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Bolan. I don't know that like Nolan,
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you just ask us, Mike Boland, he was asking us about like Ghost
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Points and just kind of wanted us to do a little bit of a deep
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dive on Ghost Points. So we went ahead and pulled up
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some stats. And this is from like May 6 or
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something, the top, the top Ghost Points players.
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So I'm going to put this on the share share screen.
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Yeah, you know how Milk keeps getting old.
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He has to get closer to the laptop to see what the fuck he's
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clicking. I know.
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Are you guys going to see this? Yeah.
18:20
So this is the top 25 ghost points per start of players.
18:28
And from I think from like the beginning of May up to the
18:32
beginning of May, it doesn't cover the last few games.
18:34
I just don't have that data. But there was a couple of really
18:36
noteworthy things. What did you guys kind of what
18:39
did you guys notice when you looked at this?
18:41
What was like, did something stand out to you?
18:42
Because for me it was Pedro Poro being the number one on here.
18:46
I'm surprised about that. Kind of shocking.
18:48
I'm surprised about that too, because I thought you got a lot
18:50
of points. I know you didn't get no points
18:51
from freaking King Sheets, you know what I mean?
18:53
I thought he got, I thought he got points low from a few of the
18:56
goals he scored, so I'm surprised.
18:59
But he does put on a lot of crosses, so yeah, maybe not.
19:01
He does put on a lot of crosses. Yeah, I thought that was, I
19:03
thought that was a very like reassuring thing, seeing
19:06
Tarkovsky here. I thought that was really good.
19:09
I think like the ones we knew were always going to be here was
19:11
like the Jeremy Doku, you know, We talked about Bruno at the top
19:14
of the show. Cole Palmer, Bukai Saka, Anthony
19:18
Robinson, too. Interesting.
19:20
For me, Ezzo Fernandez too, because I thought he just is
19:24
very goal dependent, but apparently he's not.
19:26
Is Kudus on? Here he's just a very good
19:29
season. No, Kudus didn't have a good
19:30
season in general. But so just because he had a lot
19:33
of dribbles doesn't mean that he was, you know, crushing it
19:35
elsewhere. Aaron won Bassalk on this one
19:38
too. Man, that's a surprising.
19:39
One is, yeah. Liam Bailey on there.
19:43
Guys, they've had terrible years.
19:46
I also just want to shout out Kudi and Guemo, two people that
19:50
really over performed their XG, Kunyin and Buemmo, they both
19:53
made it onto the list OK. And to me that makes me feel a
19:56
little bit better about them in the sense that like I was really
20:01
worried about their over their XG over performance, being that
20:05
that was like the very ultimate peak.
20:07
But with like, them showing that they really do score a good
20:11
amount of ghost points makes me feel like there's a better, you
20:13
know? There's a path for them to
20:15
actually do that again next year point wise, so I like that.
20:19
I also thought it was interesting Sala had the most
20:21
difference between his ghost points per start and his points
20:23
per start. Was.
20:24
Different, which was almost, I think almost 10 right, 10.2 Wow.
20:30
So if if there are some goals that dry up a little bit there
20:34
and there's just a little bit less of that goals assists that
20:37
that you could really see that drop off.
20:38
It's not like a, it's not like Bruno where you'd really see,
20:41
you know, even with Bruno, it's like, you know, there's a
20:43
baseline. I feel more of a baseline there.
20:45
We definitely said that with Salah, even when we said when we
20:48
said he had a bad game, when Tigo would get his knickers in
20:50
this place because he had 12 points and he said we do have
20:53
back in because we had our expectation.
20:55
He was 20 plus. So when that goal goes, you
20:58
know. Yeah.
21:00
So much of that was gold, gold dependent.
21:01
You know, also kind of talking about this, some of the names we
21:05
kind of you guys called out, some of the names are
21:07
unexpected. I just wanted to give you some
21:08
like background stats like airline Besaka.
21:11
The reason he's on this list is he has the most interceptions
21:15
and he was the 7th overall for successful dribbles, which is
21:18
the top defender. So I thought that was pretty.
21:20
I mean, he's just like he's he he be he's he's going to be he's
21:26
a defender one like he's a he's going to be someone's best
21:28
defender on their team. You know what I mean?
21:30
Like he's that level. You know, he had a good like,
21:33
I'm not surprised by the dribbling, the tackles, though.
21:34
I'm I'm, I'm interested in. So yeah.
21:38
Is there any? I think to me that shows that he
21:40
kind of goes both ways. I know Collins is in there and I
21:44
know he had a bunch of assists in a couple goals, but did he
21:45
get a lot more for headers? That's why I'm curious.
21:48
Like headers 1. I mean, he played almost every
21:51
game. He he played every single game,
21:52
but every single minute of the season.
21:54
He had the second most clearances, second most aerials
21:57
ones, the most blocked shots. I mean, I like I kind of feel
22:02
like I'm coming around a little bit on Collins.
22:05
I don't think you're going to get the seven assists and I
22:06
still think his numbers are inflated this year to like what
22:09
the the norm is going to be for him.
22:11
But like he clearly is a very reliable defender.
22:13
Just a question of without Thomas Frank there, if he's
22:15
still going to be able to do it. You know, I mean, what about
22:17
Yacupa Minta on here? It's again, you just find that
22:20
weird. No, yes and no.
22:24
Because we we thought, we thought highly of them.
22:26
At the end of the season we were told, we were told by a scout
22:29
that he was going to be good. He came.
22:31
When did he come from Newcastle to there?
22:33
And Brian doesn't read why? To make players when they do.
22:35
But the problem is he doesn't start every game.
22:37
That's the problem. That's the problem. 17 starts he
22:41
had strong like dribble numbers, had strong accurate crosses.
22:45
But yeah, I think it's just starts. 17 is just not.
22:48
It's not going to win you a league, you know?
22:51
Is it? Is it bench worthy?
22:52
Maybe. Absolutely a bench worthy.
22:54
It's kind of like he that's kind of falling into the realm of
22:56
like the Savio Doku, right? Where you start, where you
22:59
start, when he, when he starts. Yeah, it's like when in in the
23:02
12 man league, that's what I feel like you'd be Benjamin in
23:05
the 10 man league. Well, no, I mean, he's gonna,
23:07
he's gonna be on every single. He's gonna be on a team in every
23:10
league. Not every.
23:11
League he's absolutely yes, he's absolutely worth rostering not
23:14
100% and any 10 any 10 men league he's gonna be on a team
23:18
without a doubt let's let's see I I know for a fact.
23:20
I know it's that he won't. For a fact.
23:23
OK, what are you doing here in Pinnock?
23:26
Ethan Pinnock 20 top 25 in clearances despite missing a lot
23:29
of time. A lot of it's a lot of ifs with
23:31
the new coach, but I could see him having a nice bounce back
23:33
here. You know, he's had he's had good
23:35
fantasy years in the past and injuries this year kind of
23:37
derailed, which was what was a good year.
23:40
So he him beyond here is interesting.
23:42
Pervis is Supian. I'm not.
23:43
I'm not sure I. Think what was interesting with
23:45
him is all his numbers are like, solid.
23:47
They're not spectacular. And I you kind of feel like this
23:49
year was all about him just being healthy, right?
23:51
Because he had such a bad injury the year prior.
23:52
Yeah. So I feel like there's room for
23:56
him to really. But it's like.
23:59
Kick on, but you know this. Is as well when a player comes
24:02
back from injury, it's always tough when you first come back,
24:04
but do they ever come back at the same play as rare?
24:08
I don't know. Yeah, but sometimes you see him
24:09
come back like a year later, like, you know, it takes, it
24:12
takes sometimes just takes a long time to get back up to that
24:14
level, isn't it? Yeah.
24:15
There's also a chance that they never can.
24:17
This third season after that good season yet when I had him.
24:21
Well, every year he's been good. The first year Bryson he's he
24:25
had 9.6. The second season he had 8.3
24:27
points per game and. Well, the amount of games that
24:30
played, how many games did he play?
24:31
I've I'm pretty sure he didn't play I'll.
24:33
Let you know right now. So first year he's played 35 out
24:36
of 31. Last year, 2324, he played 19,
24:41
started at 15 and then last year, the one we just wrapped
24:44
up, he played 30 games, started at 26.
24:46
Damn I didn't. Oh he started 26 solid.
24:49
I didn't realize he played that many games last season.
24:52
What what's a good amount of get starts that you guys consider
24:55
that's good? Like 30 and over is like pretty
24:58
good, right? 30 and over is pretty good one.
25:02
You're pretty happy with 30 and over, right?
25:04
Yeah, pretty happy. With that, but yeah, I mean what
25:06
you mean you got to look at you got to look at like 30 starts
25:10
that yeah, but I mean then like they're really elite guys.
25:14
You you want like 35 you. Want 38 from the elite guys?
25:18
They're the ones giving you points.
25:19
We can we go. Yeah, but I'm just saying, like
25:22
the Brunos, the Coal Palmers, the Bukaya Sakas, in a in a year
25:25
without a major injury for them, you're expecting them to start
25:28
every single game. So if they start 34 games,
25:31
that's like pretty much 90%. Pretty much, yeah.
25:36
Matt Bitches. The other name on here I wanted
25:40
to shout out was Fasundo Buonenote who played for.
25:43
He went on a loan to Leicester and look good mid the most of
25:47
his time there but he's going back to Brighton.
25:49
That's an interesting one to see if he gets loaned out or if he
25:51
goes somewhere. Else, but there's a rumor that
25:53
he's getting sent off to Italy. Or is it spanked?
25:57
Gonna send off to Italy. Yeah, he's.
25:58
Going on the one. Well, RIP, hardly even do ya.
26:02
Another one. I don't know if there's anything
26:04
else you guys kind of any other insights you guys have.
26:06
I think the Savio and the Doku we kind of know, yeah, that
26:08
they'd be on there. It's just a matter of same,
26:10
same, same issue with Minta, right?
26:12
That's just amount of starts. So knowing.
26:16
Go on, thank you, Sir. So Cole Palmer and Bruno
26:19
Fernandez both being midfielders, which when we
26:22
looked at the total points, there was not a lot of it was
26:24
more forward to the top ten than any other position.
26:26
So both of them being midfielders, both of them being
26:29
top seven in total points and both of them producing ghost
26:32
points just shows how excellent they they were last year.
26:35
Not only are they go, they're not goal dependent, so that
26:38
means they produce both goals and assists.
26:40
On top of that, they get the ghost points.
26:43
Also, both of them are the respective penalty takers for
26:47
their teams and also set peace takers.
26:49
So those two, if you're drafting like if you're like 3 a 2nd 2:00
26:54
to 5:00, because all of us know first it's going to be soccer
26:57
that brings so much more value for them.
26:59
One being them midfielder and all the other things that that I
27:02
just listed so and they've been consistent for at least two
27:06
years for Cole Palmer, for Bruno Fernandez for all of his Mayu
27:10
career because he's one of the greatest midfielders ever I.
27:12
Also feel you could throw soccer in there as well, just in
27:15
general. I know he got injured this year,
27:16
but I think he kind of fits into that same.
27:18
All the things you said, I think you could say about soccer I.
27:20
Always forget that soccer is classified as a midfielder when
27:23
he should be forward. Probably, yeah.
27:25
I think when that if we talk to that dude next week, there's
27:28
there, it looks like there might be some changes for positional
27:30
changes. So it'll be interesting to note
27:32
those and like talk about those when those get finally released.
27:35
Yeah. Good.
27:35
So really looking at these ghost points, does it affect where we
27:38
believe they're going to go in drafts just knowing their ghost
27:40
points? Yeah, absolutely.
27:43
I mean, I think it definitely effects it.
27:44
I mean, this would be what you would consider Moneyball for
27:46
most people. And so I know you have no idea
27:49
what Moneyball is, but this is what it is.
27:51
I know, I mean, I think it's looking at you look at this and
27:54
you, you would kind of base like you, you it's a it's a piece of
27:57
data, you know what I mean? It's a piece of data alongside
28:00
how many points this car. And then to me it's like, OK,
28:03
data, data data tomato maybe. And I think what what Ghost
28:08
points tell me is, is they speak to consistency a little more.
28:11
Yeah, I hear you. So that's why I was going to ask
28:13
Pedro Poro where would where would he have gone before
28:16
knowing Ghost Points? And where would you think he's?
28:18
You still think he's not a second round pick or a third
28:21
round pick? You think he goes high?
28:23
I think he falls into the second, third round.
28:25
Personally, I think if he's if I'm at the end of the third and
28:29
he's sitting there, I'd be very, very happy.
28:31
At the end of the third, I think he's.
28:32
Sitting what's? Up 39.
28:34
Maybe, I mean, maybe sooner. I mean, I think we got to do
28:36
some mocks and see where, see where stuff shakes out a little
28:38
bit. But yeah, I mean, I think in my
28:41
rankings right now, I'm pull this up because I have it up of.
28:44
Course you do. He's been like, I'll take Arthur
28:47
Nori over Pedro Poro. Who'd you take?
28:50
No, yeah. I think the issue, I mean I get
28:54
it, I get it, but. I think you just being spiteful.
28:59
I'm not, I'm just being honest. Why would I take a team dad
29:04
letting how many? Goals.
29:04
I sort of believe you because you're drunk so.
29:08
Not drunk. Just happy.
29:11
I. Think that drunk?
29:14
Well, I think you have to remember City City hasn't really
29:16
been keeping a lot of clean sheets.
29:18
Thomas Frank, it's pretty good. And with Thomas Frank, he's
29:21
going to he's going to play players.
29:23
Thomas Frank had two like like multiple guys that played a ton,
29:27
a ton of games. He really likes his starters.
29:29
I don't think you can say the same for Pep and Adnory.
29:32
So I think it's a question of starts more so than it's a
29:35
question of points because if you saw, if you saw the way
29:38
Adnory played in that game at the Club World Cup, he's pretty
29:40
much playing as like a a winger. How many?
29:42
Teams in that Google this information.
29:44
So I'm doing. So what was your point though?
29:47
Champ Champions League Be in the Champions League too.
29:50
So Bradford had seven clean sheets.
29:53
I'll see it's not a minute solid, but not how many clean
29:58
sheets does Tom have. Really, I think 7 is a solid
30:02
amount for a team. I don't know.
30:04
I mean, I'm just off the top of my head.
30:05
Tottenham had 6. Shit.
30:08
Maybe not OK. Are you motherfucker?
30:11
Just change your mind because it said Tottenham.
30:14
Just the most clean sheets were 13 last year.
30:18
Was it an Arsenal? Liverpool or Arsenal?
30:22
Crystal Palace. It goes by the goalkeeper David
30:24
Ryan. Matt sells.
30:26
OK, same. But they might have had more.
30:27
But that's just the keepers that you're looking at.
30:29
The stuff Ryan Matt sells. Yeah, Makes sense.
30:31
Forest makes sense. Which?
30:33
Team. So that was kind of our just our
30:35
glimpse into ghost points person.
30:38
All right, next, would you rather so just say we've done
30:40
this a few Times Now? I'm just going to say a few say
30:42
2 names and you tell me who? Who would you rather kind of
30:45
have? OK, first one, Matthias Tell or
30:48
Raul Jimenez. Raul Jimenez.
30:50
My turn. Raul Jimenez.
30:52
That's an obvious question. That's my boy.
30:54
I will die with Raul Jimenez. Not Jimenez, I thought.
30:57
I thought one of you guys might succumb to like the oh, young
31:00
exciting talent I thought maybe Tottenham bias might have gotten
31:03
into. No, I've seen him play.
31:05
I've seen him play. He's he's got good dribbling.
31:09
I don't know how he's going to play on the on the Frank.
31:12
I wasn't even sure we were going to resign him, but we did.
31:14
I don't know, man. I'm not sure he's a I don't
31:18
know. I'm not sure.
31:19
About look Raul Jimenez. His first year he scored seven
31:22
goals, no assists, second year 12 goals, 3 assists.
31:25
So his on pace to score 17 goals and six assists next year.
31:29
Raul Jimenez. You should have been a Fulham
31:32
fan bro, I would have respected so much more.
31:36
I, Raul Jimenez also looked really good in the Gold Cup too.
31:39
Not that it, for what it's worth.
31:41
You know, playing against the scrubs of North America.
31:46
But yeah, I think it's it's an that's obvious.
31:48
That was a test sensor that that you you passed.
31:50
Congratulations. Appreciate it.
31:52
Bye bye mom. That's going to be subjective,
31:54
objective sometimes. All right.
31:56
Next one. We were just talking about him
31:58
earlier. Purvis is Supian or Mark
31:59
Cucarella. Cucarella that's.
32:01
Absolutely not. Give.
32:03
Give me Pervis Cucarella. Interesting.
32:06
Yeah. I'm pretty torn on this one.
32:08
I think Cucarella in the in the Moresca system that we saw last
32:11
year where he had five goals and looked looked pretty good is
32:15
much is very interesting. And then it's a matter of like I
32:18
with Purvis as it can he kind of what we talked about, is he
32:21
going to be better like back to the that high level that we've
32:24
seen or is he is this is this where he is now which is still
32:27
solid? Well, you also have Cucarilla
32:30
plays on the right back, right? Left back.
32:32
Left back. Yeah, it's I, I don't think he's
32:35
in five goals again. Cucarella with a stupid curly
32:38
haircut. Or like.
32:40
Some personal buyer buyers. I think it's just possible
32:43
because he has beautiful hair in your bold.
32:46
Hey it's 2025, you cannot use the B word.
32:49
I'm hairless you piece of shit. OK, sorry.
32:52
Hairless. Is that really?
32:53
Is that what you prefer? No, He.
32:55
He's bold by choice it. Was something I made-up, but I
32:58
am bold by choice. BBBCB.
33:01
BCB. BCS God.
33:06
OK, All right, moving on. Next one.
33:13
Next one. Declan Rice from Morgan Rogers.
33:17
Morgan Rogers. Morgan Rogers for me.
33:19
Rice is your boy. I know, but you put him against
33:22
Morgan Rogers. No, although I think Declan Rice
33:25
is probably not going to be as defensive this year.
33:28
I mean, a lot like that he was last year.
33:29
But I'll go with Rogers. I think Rogers is solidified
33:34
himself in the in that Villa squad.
33:37
Interesting. So both of you guys feel that
33:39
way. I thought you for sure were
33:40
going to say rice. Yeah, Was any false?
33:45
Like was any 9/9 and 1/2 for you?
33:48
Was that the player you were calling 9 and a?
33:49
Half No, that was Zoxy. So what did you call Rice 8 1/2?
33:53
I said he he was a false, like a false 10.
33:58
Yeah, it's a false. Stand yeah.
34:00
I mean, I think you're probably right.
34:02
I think it's probably, I mean, assuming that Declan Rice plays
34:04
a little better, there's a chance.
34:07
But I you also think that Morgan Rogers is going to improve,
34:09
right? Because he's young, He's going
34:10
to be he's, you know, he's going to have even better seasons.
34:12
He's going to build upon this year.
34:13
Looks like all these X-Men C players are all doing.
34:16
Very well. All right, guys.
34:17
I don't really have much else. You want to play spin the wheel.
34:19
Are we just done? I think you're like that.
34:21
I feel like you're done with us, Keith, the way you just.
34:23
I'm kind of done with you guys. Yeah, you're right.
34:26
Motherfucker. I have something we could talk
34:30
about. OK, sure.
34:33
Are you guys ready for this? I don't know.
34:35
I don't know, smoke on your face.
34:38
Legit under Chavi Alonzo. Did you guys watch the last
34:41
game? No, Oh my God, talk about.
34:43
That OK, but can we just acknowledge it real quick?
34:45
That look good. No, they look good against who
34:48
were they playing? With 10 men.
34:50
They did look good. I was snickering.
34:51
I sent a really sad comment to to Tico in a group chat.
34:54
Yeah. They look good, not a good start
34:56
right now. Off to a good start.
35:00
Yep, sure enough, they want to three One that looks good.
35:03
Cool, good for them. When we talk about fucking, I
35:05
think Bellingham's scoring for Dortmund, getting man of the
35:07
match job. Yeah, Joe, do.
35:10
You look good. Do you think he's going to be in
35:13
England? International.
35:14
Think so? We're going to have the
35:15
Pelingham brothers again. Does this, you know, there's
35:17
only a couple teams I've ever known do it like what you had
35:20
the Neville Brothers play for England.
35:22
It's the Devils show. You had was it from Holland?
35:28
The Boer, the de Boer brothers, they played for Holland, am I
35:31
right? The.
35:31
Brothers. The Boer.
35:34
Frank de Boer and Ronald de Boer and his brother I.
35:37
I don't know Frank and Ronald I. Don't know Frank and I'm just
35:39
making stuff up right now. No, look it up.
35:41
The de Boer brothers DEBOER. So you like that Bellingham
35:46
goal? Yeah, it was good.
35:47
Which one? OK.
35:50
Are we? Are we?
35:50
I don't. I don't care about it.
35:54
I just don't. Would you care about it?
35:56
Should building cams a goal? I don't really care about either
35:58
of their goals in the moment. Do we?
36:01
Do we want to play spin the wheel?
36:02
Are we just done? I feel like we're just done.
36:04
You. Guys, I think we're done.
36:05
Spin the wheel. Spin the wheel.
36:08
Spin. The wheel OK, we'll do one.
36:11
We'll. Do all right, all right, let's
36:12
go. I still want to do the word
36:15
association too. Here I'll give you word
36:18
association. Here's How about a piece of
36:21
shit? Who do you associate that with,
36:23
motherfucker? Peppa, what's going on?
36:27
Enzo Fernandez. To assist, To assist, to assist.
36:33
I think I couldn't get a third one, huh?
36:35
I think the lap is just going to go off for Chelsea.
36:37
I'm worried about it. Oh, we didn't talk about Nico
36:40
Jackson. We did talk about.
36:41
We did talk about Nico Jackson. You fucking drunk?
36:45
I thought it was more the lap, how he's overtaking it, but you
36:48
know, bye, bye. Well, that was part of it,
36:49
right? Yeah.
36:50
Yeah, but we did speak when Nico Jackson how he sabotaged
36:53
himself. Saboteur all right, ready for
36:55
spin the wheel. Spin the wheel.
36:58
Spin the wheel. You're off to 130, Keith.
37:01
Yeah. Jesus Christ.
37:04
I have nothing else in my life. You mean you're married?
37:08
That's the happiest thing you've got right there.
37:10
You want to get Sergey's? 93.
37:13
What is this? What the?
37:16
Hell, Calvin Hudson and Joy too small.
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Yeah. Did you guys hear about Langa?
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Yeah, bed. Oh yeah, I forgot we forgot to
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talk about that. Yeah.
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Bed to Newcastle, they're not going to take it though, so.
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No, no, that's like it. No, unfortunately they're trying
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to be small, run and hold on to that close.
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I like Callum Hudson. What do you think about?
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What do you think about that here?
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You think he gets more than 10 minutes this this season?
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I think he probably got about the same.
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I think for him is just being healthy, right?
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He, he was, he didn't quite look as good after that.
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Yeah, he had an injury and he didn't quite look as good.
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Then he kind of lost a little few starts because.
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Of that, so just for last year, he finished at 107 in total
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points with 255. He averaged 8.235, goes to
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assists, and he started 25 out of 31 games of 90 seconds.
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So that's what man, you know, it's kind of cheating because I
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see the rest of your rankings and I feel like there's people I
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would take ahead of them for sure.
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Who? Would you take ahead of them?
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Mikko Lenko. Yeah, maybe I I'm still working
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on these. Some of these don't get don't
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get defensive. Hey.
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Also, you have Fabian, sure as a midfielder.
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He's a defender, Keith. Geez.
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OK, chill out again. Still working on it.
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Where do you see that 99? Yeah, like looking at this like
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I don't know if Mattea tell. I think I dropped him back.
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I think there's some news I think I need.
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I got some work to do. Back to the drawing board on my
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rankings. Just to race it all, Keith.
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Just to race it all. All right, this has been episode
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94, Dropped Off Sides. My name is Keith.
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I'm with Tigo and Enzo, fellow son.
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Dropped off sides. If you made it this far, God
38:49
bless your soul. This has been an episode.
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Everything keeps flat. So like, like, let me just get
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the fuck out of here. I've never seen him like this at
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the end of an episode before. What did we do?
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I felt like it was. Normal.
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I don't know, you thought it was normal?
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I felt like it was normal. I did my normal.
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I did my same interrupting stuff.
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You know what he is? He's not normal.
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You know what it is, Tiko just talking too much and talking
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about it was the Real Madrid talk, wasn't it?
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It was the Real Madrid. Talk.
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He's sidetracking it. He was distracting me.
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What a wanker.