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Some Kind Of Monster: Aileen Wuornos' Highway To Hell · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  The with August fall check a hocus pocus lack of focus, the
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  very own educational podcast that dangerously mixes neuro
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  divergent interrupting cats and a list of topics that you
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  wouldn't dare discuss in public. Those topics include witchcraft,
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  true crime, fake news, paranormal happenings, and
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  anything weird in the world. I'm your resident mouthpiece.
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  Just see and with a high BMI and a low IQ, I'm what experts would
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  describe as a fat spa. I'm joined as always by our
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  Hostess with the most chest. She has a high sex drive and a
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  low tolerance for men's bullshit.
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  She is what experts would describe as Jesus Christ.
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  Look at the tits on your one. It's Danny Thomas that is
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  actually. Very accurate.
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  That's a good one, this. Yeah, you truly put heart into
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  these things. Yeah, I know.
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  What was it? What what time did I text you at
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  like fucking half seven? And you're like, no, I don't
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  even have an intro. And I was like.
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  Yeah, I was gonna walk with my dog at that stage, so.
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  Whereas I had all of my notes ready for the episode and
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  everything. Oh, well, to be fair, I was
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  home. I was home early sick.
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  So I I have a reason and an excuse, but yeah.
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  And so seeing the paranormal, we'll jump into something
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  paranormal. I got ghosted this week.
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  Oh fuck. Yeah, so now you all have to
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  hear about it, but I've been talking to this guy for like a
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  month. He doesn't listen to the
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  podcast, so it's fine. So whatever.
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  Obviously he plays hockey, so he's like busy every weekend,
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  which is fine. I've I've dated wrestlers.
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  I know the whole the shtick busy on the weekends, right?
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  But they've always like checked in.
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  So the last two weekends in a row he disappeared and I was
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  like, that's a bit soon. I don't want to say anything,
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  but he did really annoy me because he was being like so
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  nice and attentive the whole week, being really sweet and
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  everything. Love Bommy almost some might
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  say. But I was like, I knew it was
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  love bombing. I would like fine.
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  Do you know what I mean? A bit of attention.
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  It's fine. So Saturday then.
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  Well, he was playing a game here on the Friday night and then
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  didn't get back to the town where he is from.
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  Well, he's not from, he's from Canada, but the town where he
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  lives until like 3:00 AM. We were still, we were talking
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  until 3:00 AM, Then I didn't hear from him at all until like
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  6:00 PM the next day, which is fine.
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  He's like, oh, I'm a piece of shit.
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  I just like just woke up, had to scoff something to eat and like
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  run to my game fine. The whole team went out after
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  the game, didn't hear from him. Fine, absolutely don't mind it.
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  Didn't message me again until like 9:00 the next night and I
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  was like, you know, I don't just exist on the weekdays, right?
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  He's like, no, I know, I'm so sorry.
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  Like I was like, it's not like it's like I haven't said it to
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  you before, but I was like, I have like a bit of an anxious
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  attachment style and I'm, I understand weekends are busy for
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  you. If you just say, hey, I won't be
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  on my phone, I won't be replying.
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  That's fine. That just saves me from
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  overthinking things. He's like, that's so fair.
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  Like I completely understand. Like I want to be better for you
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  and like whatever. Do you think I've heard from
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  that man since Sunday night? Nothing.
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  Radio. Silent, not even viewing my
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  Instagram stories, still follows me, but not even viewing my
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  Instagram stories. And his excuse on Sunday was,
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  well, I've been drunk for like fucking 30 hours straight.
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  We had like a team thing. We did this, we did that.
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  And I was like, that's fine. Like I'm not trying to tell you
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  off. I'm just saying.
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  And I was like the first day I was like, OK, was he like so
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  fucking drunk and stupid that like maybe something happened to
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  his phone? But now we're on Wednesday and
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  his Instagram following has gone up by two and he hasn't viewed
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  my stories so I'm doing all my insane girl fucking sleuth like
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  my same thing and just like. Yeah, that didn't probe a red
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  flag for me at all, Daddy, when you said his.
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  Following. Is gone up by two, you fucking
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  weirdo. All girls do it.
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  All girls do it. Don't worry about it.
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  But like, yeah. The hashtag all girl.
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  They. Do they all do?
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  We're all insane. So yeah, I was like, right.
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  And then hasn't even looked at my Instagram stories, nothing,
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  just complete ghost. And you know me, if he tries to
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  come back, I'm just like, I'll fucking, I'll kick your head off
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  like literally like I will like fucking come up there and I will
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  murder you. So and he knows I'm like that.
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  So I think he knew that that's what the reaction would be.
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  So it was just an easier out for him to just do that and avoid
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  the conflicts because he knows they won't chase him.
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  He knows they won't send him paragraphs.
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  So. Yeah, Ghost thing is, is this
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  kind of new phenomenon that I got familiar with in my recent
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  foray into single life. See, like and like before when I
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  was single, like the way you met people.
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  And again, I'm going to sound like I'm an old man here, but
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  the way you met people was you ain't got locked.
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  Got absolutely banana fight, drank 10 double vodka and Red
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  Bull and slobbered all over a girl.
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  And you know, at some stage she probably like it.
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  Like, don't get me wrong, I like being online was a thing.
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  Like, and most, most of the girls that I got was because I
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  was online because I was funny on Facebook or yeah, just
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  Facebook really. And like you would have like had
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  a kind of a, you know, a little bit of back and forward with
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  women online and then you'll meet all put them out there.
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  And but like no one would have go suggest that would have given
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  you a proper like out. Yeah, send off like a Viking.
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  Funeral. Basically, yeah, there'd be
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  there would be some kind of closure, but like nowadays I
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  noticed that before meeting the the lovely lady who I am doing a
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  line with as, as they say in all layers and like you'd be talking
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  to women and then all of a sudden they just stop and then
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  that's it. It's yeah.
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  But like I, I tried my best to be like, if I, if I didn't
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  wasn't feeling it, I'd be I just tell them like, look, I'm not
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  feeling that, but I I'd feel bad about like leaving it unsaid.
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  It's not it's not going to do with you and it's not going to
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  do with me. It's just got something to do
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  with there's not something there between the two of us, that's
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  all. Yeah.
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  And, you know, and I think people like respected that, but
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  it's the, it's the kind of not known.
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  I was with a girl for, eh, eh, like a month and a half last
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  year. And I know more, you know, like
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  she's, yeah. Like I knew her from fucking
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  years ago. And we kind of reconnected and
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  then they're like, we were seeing each other.
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  That was fucking, you know, all guns blazing for like a month
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  and a half. And then, yeah, nothing.
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  Just stop. And after, like a few days, I
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  texted her to be like, everything all right, you know,
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  like we met official and all. And I was like, everything OK.
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  And she's like, yeah, I'm just taking something for myself now,
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  and then I'll get back to you then.
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  Not a few days and play. Not a few days and play.
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  And I was like, oh, like this isn't actually a relationship.
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  Like, if you're just gonna like, you know, not.
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  Yeah, Like, we met up like this is it?
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  Like we made it official. Like we had the chat.
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  We made it official. OK, We're all in.
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  And then she just stop talking to me.
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  And then after like a week and a half, I had to just get on to
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  her and be like, look, you're obviously not into this.
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  So like, I had to, I had to end this even though she had ended
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  it by not, you know, yeah, not engaging at all.
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  Like it was just so weird, really, to be honest with you.
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  That one fucking hurts because it was like, oh you.
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  It's the not knowing what happened and at what point it
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  happened. Yeah, yeah.
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  I like I I was eh, In the end I sent her flowers to her house
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  and said thank you for a lovely, eh, few weeks.
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  Eh, I really enjoyed it and the best of luck with everything.
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  And then I just said, you know what?
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  That's all your fucking. That's it was like, yeah, spite
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  flowers. I know I still like, you know,
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  because I got on really well. I really did like thought we had
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  something like, and yeah, but in the end of it I was like, I'm
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  not going to give an excuse for me to seem like I'm the bad guy
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  here because like, but all intents and purposes she made me
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  end it like yeah, by like she just wasn't engaging with me at
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  all, like. So I was like, OK, I'm going to
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  have to do something here. So I wanted to go out as nice as
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  possible so. But it's like.
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  That's how I did that. Like it's ridiculous because
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  it's like to have that conversation with me before
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  being like, OK, I really want to communicate better for you
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  because that's like your communication style.
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  And I want to be like there and then to just just nothing.
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  And like we were talking about like, because I was supposed to
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  be going up there next week for my birthday and we were talking
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  about that. And then he had said something
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  like, oh, we do like one night out each season in like this
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  other city. He was like, I'm pretty sure
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  that it's actually that day, right?
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  So I was just like, all right, OK, we can probably figure out
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  another time then that's all I said.
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  And he was like, well, that's and that's my fault.
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  And I was like, I didn't say that, did I?
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  I was like, no. And I was like, look, I'll just
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  like, because he was getting like snotty with me.
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  And I know we've been drinking for ages.
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  So I was like, you know what, like go enjoy your night.
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  Like I'll talk to you tomorrow. He's like, no, stay off.
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  Like I'm going to leave the bar soon.
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  And I'd fallen asleep, text him when I woke up with like
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  different dates that we could do that I could book off nothing.
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  So I was just like, right, OK. I'm like, I don't have any
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  respect for someone who doesn't have the balls to just be like,
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  hey, this is a bit much. This isn't what I want right
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  now. Whatever, whatever the reason,
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  make up a reason. I don't give a fuck.
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  Just say something instead of just literally like he probably
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  like went and like muted me on Instagram as well because he
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  hasn't looked at any of my stories and he's just like, you
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  know, it's just it's like it's gross.
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  Finding a nice like little nerdy guy who might like man.
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  I. Cut.
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  I cut off my fucking roster for this man.
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  I was so sure that I liked this guy and I'm literally doing the.
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  Hey. How y'all doing like 4 different
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  guys now trying to like sneak back in because I'm just like
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  like a piece of shit. And I'm like now I understand
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  why guys do it. Like the one girl doesn't work
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  out and they're like fuck, go back to the streets, not the
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  streets. And then like even the other
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  night I was like thinking I was hot shit because this other guy.
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  And granted they did have plans with him.
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  And no, I don't tell a story, so you might listen to it.
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  I won't tell the story, but yeah, what's his?
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  Name. What's his name?
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  Danny. It's it's a foreign name.
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  He's a foreign, a foreign man. You're a foreign man.
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  He's blonde and he's from Finland.
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  Yeah. I can't pronounce his name.
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  Actually, I'm not sure I even know his real name because I
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  can't pronounce it properly. So.
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  OK, well then don't tell that story in case that Finnish man
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  does listening to this. He did send me a picture tonight
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  though of like snacks he got to to watch Severance with.
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  He watches Severance with his roommate, which is really cute.
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  And he got and nobody else right.
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  This, this suite was just buried in my memory and it came back up
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  and now I can't. I want them.
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  Do you remember? Are they pronounced reason or
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  EIS? All that chocolate and all that
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  chew, right? For you, the reason Chocolate
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  chew. You were the one who loved
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  laughter and fun. Fun for you, the reason
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  chocolate chew. No, I've never heard of them.
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  What's what do you have? I love how reason that they they
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  were they were hard on the jaw. If the coaching.
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  Yeah, but they they came out with a new softer recipe in
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  recent. Years.
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  Oh, that's for pussies. Keep your fucking your your
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  queer fairy fucking Reese. You're woke.
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  Reason I'm too soft at all this token.
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  Hurt is Joe fucking. Why is it that every now and
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  again you just turn into like, their panel?
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  I kill Tony, you hear? Oh, you can't chew a chocolate,
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  you queer. I say it all the time.
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  I say the F. Word to Gordon all the time.
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  Because I'm I fuck girls too so I'm allowed to say that so it's
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  OK you don't. You don't fuck girls, you're in
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  the same room when some of the guy is fucking you and another
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  girl. No, I'm a pillow Princess so I
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  don't fuck girls. I get fucked by girls if I'm
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  drunk enough and that that that instance you're talking about
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  could not even be classed as that because it was awful.
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  Yeah. Anyway.
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  Moving on to. That was two one ways.
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  What are we doing? Moving on to girls who fuck
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  girls. Actually, Eileen Wuornos is what
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  we're talking about this week. Yeah, some kind of monster I am.
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  I'm looking forward to this one because I I kind of I forgot
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  back in like the, the, the, the lay.
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  I want to say like the, the the late 2000s, early 2000 and 10s.
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  I would have watched that movie and monster with with Charlize
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  Theron. And really good movie.
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  Yeah, yeah, fucking. I do have a question for you.
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  They did, umm, but I know we were talking about.
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  So we were talking a bit about Eileen Fletcher earlier and how
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  she was. A.
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  Homely, A homely woman. But I was going to ask you if we
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  can get Charlize Theron that ugly and then back to Charlize
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  Theron, do you think we could get Eileen Warnos to Charlize
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  Theron and then, you know, not Eileen Warnos anymore because
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  she looked a lot like her with the makeup.
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  Yeah, I feel like maybe. Maybe we could.
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  Glam her up, I know. But like makeup artists are
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  incredible. I think you get her teeth fixed.
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  Think you give her like a little bit of filler, some Botox, a
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  little bit of dermaplane and I think like I think we get her
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  there. Yeah, well, you might have to to
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  dig her out of the ground and well.
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  Yeah, but I just mean. Rihanna made her body.
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  Maybe a lobotomy if she was still alive, but you know.
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  I get what you're saying. And she was.
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  Still alive. I'd be like, put her in the Big
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  Brother house. Put Eileen Wuornos in the Big
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  Brother house. Do you know why he was nearly in
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  Big Brother twice? Were you?
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  Yeah, I got eh. Well, one of them was definitely
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  close. I was I was on the I've LED a
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  fascinating life for a born and caught, but I was a once on the
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  shortlist like the be ready and we'll call you remember the year
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  that your man off California ended up in.
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  Oh, Cormac. Mark, whatever is fucking his
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  name is, he came out with Tin Fight on his Mickey at one
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  stage. Why?
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  I don't know. But anyways, the fact that they
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  had him in there, I looked and I went, oh, that's the token Irish
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  guy. So he got in ahead of me on that
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  because I, the producers, came to like a wrestling show years
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  ago. And.
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  They saw me perform and then they done an interview with me
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  backstage and I was at 100 and they I got, I gave them my
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  e-mail and they sent me back an e-mail to say that I've been
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  accepted as like a fat. I don't feel like there was like
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  fast track to A to, to like the end the finalists.
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  And I had to just go over to London and I flew over to London
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  and me and Sammy D flew over to London actually.
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  And you? Would have been great on Big
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  Brother actually. And well, we got in there and
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  Sam was left in the lobby and someone came over to me and said
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  that's the one. And was like, the producer was
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  like pointing at people. I was like, this is the guy.
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  And they sent me up to like, like, so I went past all these
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  people that were like going through like the first and
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  second round auditions. And they just sent me straight
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  over the top and put me like in a focus group with a bunch of
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  people. And one of the guys ended up on
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  the show, a real posh guy. I forget what?
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  I forget all her names because I didn't really watch that year.
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  I was absolutely fucking scathing with anger.
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  But let me. See if I can find out.
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  I really, I forget what year it was even, but it was obviously
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  when old he was going on so it was it was after.
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  Mark, California, Big Brother. Yeah, that's that makes sense.
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  That'll tell you. Probably 2016, 2017 maybe?
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  Umm. 2015. Ah, there you go.
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  Well. Dubliner later appeared on Big
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  Brother 2015. Before he left the showbiz
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  world, Mark said he hated the person he was when he was in the
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  Big Brother house. Yeah, sort of.
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  Everybody else, he seems a little bit, eh, gropey and a
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  little bit eh, a little bit handsy, a little bit little bit
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  Hollywood. Guys like that, like I don't
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  know why. They're all the same, they're
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  all the exact same. Just guys that even look like
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  that all behave the exact fucking same.
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  It's bizarre to me. Umm, oh, I'm actually on his
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  Facebook page now from 2015. Hashtag mark to stay.
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  Spread the love. Well, he's the reason why I
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  didn't. Well, he's probably not bully.
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  He was in Big Brother that year and that's that's how I knew I
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  wasn't getting in there. But yeah, I was fast tracked up
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  to the to the to the end. And do you remember the I don't
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  know if it even was a meme, if you can call it that at the
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  time. But remember the the viral video
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  of the the wheel stolen Raider was his name.
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  And he was this little kind of a guy on his own, a football match
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  and he was just drunk and he was going you want you want some
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  because I'll give it yet. You you want some?
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  I think so. I think so.
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  Actually it's. Just this viral video of this
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  little, little guy, eh, anybody out there who's listening to
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  this? It hasn't a clue what I'm
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  saying. It may it made sense in 2015.
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  It was just one of these. It was like the IT was, it was
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  that kind of yeah, it was, it was that of its, of its day.
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  If it was, if eh, if like TikTok was a thing now the wheels on
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  Raider will be all over TikTok. But well.
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  Vine. Was a thing Vine would have been
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  well it was a little bit longer than Vine like but he probably
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  would have been caught up. He probably would have been
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  caught up for Vine like you. You probably would have been
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  like the the couple of enters. Well he tries to start a fight
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  with people who are just like this whole thing was like you
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  got no fans you got no fans you want some because all yeah and
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  he was just trying to start anyways.
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  What I'm getting at is this little fucker who was having
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  like his 15 minutes of fame was in the same focus group as me.
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  So like he was also sent up to the end and this this posh kid
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  who ended up on the show, he was in the same focus group as me as
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  well. So like I was spoke like, I
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  think I was within like the the last 50 people being considered
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  to go in for it like, which is pretty big considering the UK
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  has a lot of people in there. Yeah.
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  Yeah, that's that's, that's it. That's just an interesting
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  thought. I can't.
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  You mentioned Big Brother and now here I am talking about how
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  I almost was on Big Brother. I almost got on to Do you
• 21:25
  remember SMTV Live? Yes, SMTV live on UTV, Yeah.
• 21:30
  Oh well. ITV.
• 21:32
  I almost got on to challenge and actually did get on to challenge
• 21:36
  and, and then my, my family couldn't afford to bring me to
• 21:41
  London to go on challenge, so I couldn't go.
• 21:44
  I really wanted to go because I loved and deck and I love
• 21:47
  starting like like Saturday night that's on TV live.
• 21:50
  And I'd even like written out my questions and everything because
• 21:53
  you just have to like write like questions that you'd ask you
• 21:57
  like write in and everything. And I wrote in glitter pen.
• 21:59
  I had stickers. I love Cat Deeley.
• 22:02
  And then they sent me like a photo signed by all three of
• 22:05
  them. So that was really nice.
• 22:08
  But yeah, I know our lives have been so different.
• 22:13
  Boyfriend Mark Kemi was on there.
• 22:15
  I was about Echo Island on RTE. I remember Echo Island.
• 22:22
  I think Daryl Breen was the for that one.
• 22:26
  I think I. Think was.
• 22:31
  He, I don't know, but anyways, he went, he, he don't what was
• 22:35
  it a review of some Final Fantasy 7 or something like
• 22:38
  that, like as a as a kid? There's like a guy that like
• 22:43
  works in works with me now and he big theatre kid growing up
• 22:50
  and he did two shows with like Andrew Lloyd Webber and he is
• 22:55
  like looking back on it now and he's like creepiest fucking man.
• 22:59
  And he was showing us like pics. So he's like he's my age and
• 23:02
  honestly like pictures of him, like Andrew Lloyd Webber looking
• 23:05
  all fucking because he's creepy looking guy.
• 23:07
  Anyway, he is and he's got like his like he's like caressing his
• 23:12
  shoulder in this picture and he's the kids like 10 at this
• 23:15
  time. And he's just like smiling
• 23:17
  because it's Angela whoever and his his Andrew's grandmother.
• 23:23
  I think it's his and is Shirley Bassey, which is cool.
• 23:27
  That's how he got in that way. And and I know I keep promising
• 23:31
  a guest and everything, but like my friend Anton really does want
• 23:34
  to come on. So he works there as well.
• 23:37
  And I think I've told you a little bit about this case
• 23:39
  before. It says a Welsh case.
• 23:43
  I forget the name of the woman who was murdered.
• 23:45
  God forgive me. I will come back to that.
• 23:47
  But I think I've told you about the card of five.
• 23:51
  So there was a murder, umm, in Cardiff.
• 23:55
  There was one man who had committed it.
• 23:57
  But they essentially the South Wales Police framed these five
• 24:03
  kids, black kids, umm, and sentenced them to prison.
• 24:08
  So they served a bunch of prison time for a murder that they
• 24:11
  didn't commit. They just happened to be around
• 24:14
  the scene at the time. So it was basically it was like
• 24:17
  she was killed in like a bookies and they were like next door on
• 24:22
  their bikes. Like it was the early 90s, late
• 24:25
  late 80s, early 90s called the card of five.
• 24:28
  And now a mutual friend of ours, I won't say who it is.
• 24:31
  He did tell me that he well, he he had messaged me about it a
• 24:35
  long time ago, but he just said like, oh, you can post about it
• 24:38
  if you want to and talk about it.
• 24:40
  This was on the old podcast, but like just obviously don't say
• 24:43
  so. His aunt worked for South Wales
• 24:47
  Police at the time when this was all going on and they could not
• 24:49
  find the killer and the Sergeant was heard to say word for word.
• 24:57
  Just go and get a few darkies for it and we'll just put them
• 25:02
  away. And they tortured these, like,
• 25:06
  poor boys to get them to admit at the stations, I think one of
• 25:10
  them was like, handcuffed to a radiator.
• 25:12
  And the radiator was turned on full belt.
• 25:14
  And do you remember those old fucking school radiators from,
• 25:19
  like, yeah, like, handcuffed to one of those and, like, on full
• 25:24
  blast until he admitted it. And so Anton, that I work with
• 25:29
  now, his grandmother, so he's adopted.
• 25:32
  So his biological grandmother got up in court and lied for the
• 25:36
  actual killer. And is it, uh, pervert
• 25:40
  perverting the cause of justice? Is that or?
• 25:42
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:42
  Is that? What it is and and she went to
• 25:46
  jail for that and everything. And yeah, he was like telling me
• 25:49
  about it today. I was like, that's so fucking
• 25:50
  interesting because I was like, that case is always like
• 25:52
  interested me. And there's still like graffiti
• 25:55
  around like the like kind of like further out kind of parts
• 26:00
  of carried off about the card of five free the card of five and
• 26:03
  everything. Because it was a fucking huge
• 26:04
  case at the time and everybody knew they hadn't done it.
• 26:08
  They were just five kids that just happened to fucking be at
• 26:11
  the scene. And yeah, his, his grandmother
• 26:15
  was one of the ones that like, and she was like, oh, he made me
• 26:18
  like stand on the body. He made me kick her in the head.
• 26:21
  He made me do this and like got up and like, yeah, gave this
• 26:25
  evidence. Then after when she got caught
• 26:28
  and he was like, honestly, he was like, I love talking about
• 26:30
  it. So he's like, she was shagging
• 26:35
  your man who did it. She was trying to get him to not
• 26:40
  get caught. So she was like, yeah, saying
• 26:46
  all of these, all of these. She was like his alibi,
• 26:48
  basically. And like, completely blamed
• 26:50
  these five kids that had nothing to do with it and the whole kind
• 26:55
  of thing. So the South Wales Police are
• 26:57
  the most corrupt in the UK. That's just like, well, a well
• 27:00
  known fact and the whole kind of story.
• 27:03
  Daddy, Daddy. What, Daddy?
• 27:06
  What? Daddy what?
• 27:09
  You know there's a such thing as the PS and I.
• 27:12
  Oh yeah, OK, Well, anyway. So.
• 27:18
  But they are very corrupt as well.
• 27:19
  I'll say right, They're very corrupt police force.
• 27:21
  But he is my friend. Our friend had told me that they
• 27:28
  had kind of like paraded these kids out in front of these
• 27:31
  witnesses and we're like, was it them?
• 27:34
  And they're like, no, but but was it them looking wink for my
• 27:40
  friend Mr. Bribe? Wink, wink.
• 27:46
  Jesus Christ, this is like, what was that?
• 27:49
  What's that New York case where the the kids, it was on Netflix
• 27:53
  there they did on the dramatization of it, didn't
• 27:55
  they? Sleepers.
• 27:57
  You. Talking about sleepers.
• 28:00
  No, not sleepers fucking the movie.
• 28:02
  No, the fucking no. There was a the same kind of
• 28:05
  thing. Someone was killed and they
• 28:06
  blamed a group of back of black kids for A and even.
• 28:10
  Oh yes. Was like, they should get the
• 28:12
  death penalty and stuff like that.
• 28:13
  What? Was the.
• 28:15
  Yeah. And yeah, can we get back into
• 28:19
  this? Episode I mean.
• 28:22
  Yeah, we've got sorry it. Doesn't We veered wildly, Yeah.
• 28:25
  That's interesting. We should.
• 28:26
  We could. I like, I like these ones
• 28:29
  because I didn't know anything about the card of five before
• 28:31
  so. Yeah, it's been a few like dodgy
• 28:34
  murders in Cardiff that have all like come back to the police.
• 28:39
  Like there's a really interesting one.
• 28:40
  This I will get back on topic, but I just really like, I'm
• 28:43
  interested in this case. So it's called the clinic
• 28:45
  murders. Think I might have mentioned it
• 28:47
  on this story on this show before where she broke up with
• 28:53
  her husband. She was living at home with her
• 28:56
  elderly mother and her two daughters start the shagging
• 29:00
  rings around herself in this small village.
• 29:04
  So she had a lot of like enemies, we'll say, start
• 29:07
  shagging this woman now she played rugby with and then it
• 29:11
  turns out like. A lesbian rugby player.
• 29:15
  Lesbian. Rugby player Would you think?
• 29:18
  Would you think? But I'm.
• 29:20
  So. They're like, they're fucking,
• 29:22
  you know what I mean? Fucking paper, scissors,
• 29:26
  whatever the fuck. And the the the rugby, the one
• 29:33
  that she's playing like so she's single, she can do what she
• 29:35
  likes. But the woman she's shagging is
• 29:39
  married and has kids and has a twin brother on the South Wales
• 29:45
  Police force and her house. They were burned alive in their
• 29:50
  house. Their elderly mother, the 2
• 29:51
  girls and the like her she had like things shoved up her.
• 29:57
  She was like assaulted like brutally.
• 30:02
  And then there was like the the first thing they do like, oh, it
• 30:05
  was, it was clearly the husband. The ex-husband is like, you
• 30:08
  know, in on it absolutely wasn't.
• 30:10
  They could tell immediately that it wasn't him.
• 30:12
  Like he had a really good relationship with her.
• 30:14
  They just kind of grew apart and he still loved the kids.
• 30:17
  They still talked regularly, like they were friends.
• 30:20
  And he drove, he was in work at the time, immediately left work
• 30:24
  the his office, everything can like corroborate that he like
• 30:27
  ran out of work to go because someone had called and said the
• 30:30
  house has gone up in flames and he was living in another village
• 30:33
  in Wales at the time. But yeah, like they'd, I think
• 30:37
  that and the old lady as well, they just basically bludgeoned
• 30:41
  her in her sleep, the mother. And yeah, it was, it was awful.
• 30:45
  But like the South Wales Police, they had sentenced this one guy
• 30:51
  that she was shagging. His name was uh, die something,
• 30:55
  which is basically they state, they say die for Dave over here,
• 30:58
  Dai, it's really strange. Die something.
• 31:01
  Well, it's not strange if you think about it.
• 31:03
  If you think about it's a proto Celtic language and David in
• 31:08
  Irish is dahi so die you wouldn't be too far away.
• 31:12
  I wouldn't have thought that, sorry.
• 31:15
  Anyway, so umm die? He was like known of a bit of a
• 31:20
  player, but of a like a character her in the village
• 31:22
  will say. And he was a house painter.
• 31:25
  And then they found his chain at the.
• 31:28
  House. And they knew it was his because
• 31:31
  there was like, a big blotch of like, white paint on it.
• 31:34
  And apparently that night he had had a fight with his girlfriend
• 31:36
  and then left to go and shag your one did Shagger left his
• 31:42
  chain behind? But all of this happened after
• 31:45
  he had left. He's still in prison and he
• 31:48
  didn't do it. There's still rallies
• 31:50
  constantly. He's actually just in the
• 31:52
  prison. Like I, my apartment looks into
• 31:55
  the fucking prison yard a little bit.
• 31:57
  Isn't he's over there and there's still like parades and
• 32:00
  stuff like that being like free die.
• 32:03
  I can't remember a surname. But yeah, he definitely didn't
• 32:06
  do it. And all the signs point to that
• 32:09
  woman's husband having a twin brother on the police force.
• 32:12
  And there's so much evidence, like to say that it was not die,
• 32:18
  but yeah. That's that's that is another
• 32:21
  fascinating one. I was in my head.
• 32:24
  I was just about to veer into talking about another what like
• 32:27
  to go Oh, that reminds me of but I do I cannot do that.
• 32:30
  We are. We need to get back on track
• 32:33
  here, Daddy, We have. OK, OK.
• 32:35
  Like so this this story of Eileen Werner is.
• 32:42
  We're knows. Whatever Wernos brothers, she's.
• 32:47
  It's actually Aileen, Aileen Wernos.
• 32:49
  Yeah, fucking listen. To be honest with you, Danny,
• 32:52
  you're after the reason why I'm so panicked about stopping you
• 32:55
  from talking is because you have to talk about two, two more
• 32:58
  things. And I've, I've got so much
• 33:00
  information in my head about cooking Aileen Wernos.
• 33:03
  And it's actually falling out of my head because you're putting
• 33:06
  more information in how I've. I've literally got an 8 bit
• 33:10
  memory and you're pushing stuff. I.
• 33:11
  Forgot it right now, giving you. I forgot so I need that right.
• 33:24
  OK, let's let's go on to it. Let's you've you've you've got a
• 33:27
  whole ball and notes and I've hauling out and I I've I've got
• 33:35
  I've got so much. I'd love to like just discuss as
• 33:39
  we go through this, because she's remember we don't Ramirez
• 33:43
  and I was like just fascinated by like not even the murders,
• 33:47
  but like his whole like his upbringing and his eh, eh, the
• 33:54
  circumstances that led him to be the the man he is and the killer
• 33:57
  and the monster that he is. I think the same thing happened
• 34:01
  here with with alien warnos, as I've been calling her all along.
• 34:05
  And I hope Alex edits this to to make it perfect.
• 34:08
  But let's let's jump into this woman and.
• 34:12
  I love her. Let's explain to the two
• 34:14
  listeners that are probably still listening right now after
• 34:17
  our bullshit about fucking ghosting and Big Brother and the
• 34:22
  fucking Jackson 5. That's a lot of podcast lesbian
• 34:26
  rugby players. It.
• 34:30
  Is literally just player shout out to Claire Flood.
• 34:35
  I think our our most loyal listener to be fair, and Alex, I
• 34:40
  think it's the next loyal listener because he has to
• 34:42
  listen to. It Claire, you're free.
• 34:46
  You should just fucking hell. Also, Claire, are you?
• 34:49
  OK, you have free will girl. OK, so anyone else?
• 34:58
  Right, so I'm not trying to find my notes here at all.
• 35:04
  It's OK. So.
• 35:07
  Born in Rochester in Michigan on February the 29th 1956.
• 35:13
  So she would have been Gemini. No what?
• 35:18
  No one cares what her fucking. I.
• 35:21
  Do. Jeez, Aquarius.
• 35:25
  How have you veered off so like it would in the 1st?
• 35:28
  I'd just like to know. I'd just like to know.
• 35:31
  So her mother Diane Wuornos, she was 14 years old when she
• 35:34
  married 16 year old Leo Dale Pittman and they got married on
• 35:39
  June the 3rd 18. 18 He was 18 when they married.
• 35:44
  That's a. That's a goddamn.
• 35:46
  Yeah, OK. Well, whatever.
• 35:49
  So between the two of them, they had a first son and he was born
• 35:55
  of March 1955. And then the couple, they were
• 35:58
  together for two years. And Eileen's mother, I'm going
• 36:01
  to say Eileen there just because it's in my head.
• 36:03
  She became pregnant again with Eileen.
• 36:06
  Two months. Yeah.
• 36:10
  So two months before Eileen was born, that's when Diane had
• 36:12
  filed for divorce from her husband or then husband.
• 36:17
  And Eileen never actually got the opportunity that we know of
• 36:21
  to meet her dad because most of the time and like, most of like
• 36:28
  the time throughout her life and her childhood, he was actually
• 36:30
  in prison. Umm, He was arrested and
• 36:33
  convicted of the rape and attempted murder of a 7 year old
• 36:37
  girl. Umm, He was also diagnosed with
• 36:40
  schizophrenia and he was in and out of prison constantly, like
• 36:44
  all the time. Umm, Then January in 1969, he
• 36:50
  committed suicide by hanging himself in prison.
• 36:53
  So she never really got the opportunity, umm, to to know.
• 36:58
  She never, she she never knew, Yeah, she never knew him at all.
• 37:02
  And like, but it's weird because like there also is a claims and
• 37:09
  I don't know if, if if this is going to be in your notes as
• 37:11
  well, that he might not be her actual father as well because
• 37:16
  there's other stuff going on. But like, like, even if we even
• 37:20
  if we think about what here at all.
• 37:22
  Right, He was he was 18, eh, when he married a 14 year old
• 37:31
  and she was pregnant at 14 with aliens older brother Keith.
• 37:39
  Yeah. And at 16, she was having her
• 37:42
  second child, which was alien out.
• 37:45
  Like, yeah, this just at the start that was fucked up.
• 37:49
  I know it's the 50s whatever, but like, there's not like as a
• 37:53
  14 year old, like you should not be banging out kids like, and
• 37:59
  this like it's so like, I think we're getting to to, to a point
• 38:05
  here. Or we're going to see like the
• 38:06
  kind of upbringing that that alien had or even like just the
• 38:10
  circumstances which even brought her into the world are kind of
• 38:14
  yeah, from the start. She's going to be fucked up from
• 38:18
  the start. This is.
• 38:19
  Yeah. It's another situation where we
• 38:21
  talk about nature or nurture and the nature might be there,
• 38:24
  especially since her father, as you said, was diagnosed with
• 38:28
  schizophrenia. But like the nature is kind of
• 38:33
  there. But this is definitely a case of
• 38:36
  and nurture like we were talking about where Ricky Ramirez that
• 38:40
  like it's this cast of people that they meet in their lives
• 38:43
  that has influence over them are the circumstances that they they
• 38:46
  grow in and that kind of builds the the the person and the kind
• 38:51
  of future monster that they become.
• 38:52
  But Aileen even from the start, like she is the product of
• 38:58
  basically, I know like legally it was probably fine because
• 39:01
  they were married, but like, this is statutory rape like
• 39:05
  which has brought her and her older brother into this world.
• 39:09
  And it was like, I think I know that certain states in America
• 39:13
  the legal age is still 14, obviously like the the redder
• 39:18
  States and. Alabama, Arkansas.
• 39:21
  This one's for your mom and Paul.
• 39:25
  But yeah, that's still not, I mean, like, what?
• 39:27
  The legal age in part of Japan is 12, You know what I mean?
• 39:32
  Like you can get married and have kids at 12 over there.
• 39:34
  It's not a recipe for a good healthy life for the child that
• 39:38
  comes out of that basically asshole anyway, because you're
• 39:42
  fucking 16. You've got two kids.
• 39:44
  Like I, I fucking could barely look after my fucking Guinea pig
• 39:48
  at 16 journeyman. And to have two fucking kids,
• 39:52
  it's just, it's just wild. Especially when he was in and
• 39:54
  out of prison and everything. So she was like essentially
• 39:56
  doing it on her own. Umm.
• 39:59
  Well, yeah, like she's getting thrown for divorce after like 2
• 40:02
  years, but like they're two months before before Alien was
• 40:07
  born, the parents were divorced and he was gone on his merry way
• 40:10
  already. Like, so like he doesn't sound
• 40:12
  like the most savory of characters even just in the
• 40:15
  whole like that's before the the rape of the rape and attempted
• 40:20
  murder of a small child. And then like, yeah, you know,
• 40:23
  like just even just as it goes, like morally.
• 40:26
  Child bride alone with two kids is not a good fucking look
• 40:30
  anyways. No, not at all.
• 40:34
  So yeah, it. Is it is.
• 40:35
  Rough right out the gate for Aileen.
• 40:39
  So in January of 1960, Aileen was almost four years old at
• 40:42
  this time. Her mom takes her and her
• 40:46
  brother to her grandparents house.
• 40:50
  She's like, yeah, yeah, we'll go for a visit to your
• 40:52
  grandparents. Wherever she takes them there
• 40:54
  drops them off and. Rose never comes back.
• 40:56
  She just dumps poor Aileen. And did you say Keith?
• 41:01
  I didn't have his name. Keith.
• 41:02
  Keith is the older brother. Yeah.
• 41:04
  Oh, look at me. Remembering names and the.
• 41:08
  Grandparents. Legally adopt the kids.
• 41:10
  As well. So yeah, so she, she, she.
• 41:13
  Basically just. Ditched ditched the two kids.
• 41:15
  So according to the grandparents, they they didn't
• 41:20
  know like if this was going to be like a couple.
• 41:24
  Of days, a couple. Of weeks, a couple of months,
• 41:26
  like, they had no idea. She just dropped them.
• 41:29
  And she was like, oh, see ya. And yeah, it was like March 1960
• 41:35
  when this happened. So they legally would adopt them
• 41:38
  and her brother by the age of 11.
• 41:40
  Then Aileen began engaging in sexual activities in exchange
• 41:44
  for drugs, cigarettes and food. And she would do this even at
• 41:49
  like school, so with other kids. You're like.
• 41:53
  Outside of the school as well, which is fucking wild to think
• 41:56
  about at the age of 11 that yeah, this is what she was
• 42:00
  doing. I I think this is very
• 42:01
  important. To to understand like her future
• 42:06
  where she becomes transactional. With.
• 42:10
  Sex at a very early age. Like there's a there's two great
• 42:16
  documentaries out there. Like, I wouldn't say the
• 42:18
  documentaries are great, but like there's great, that great
• 42:21
  footage of great kind of insight from her and the people around
• 42:24
  her. And there's people that are
• 42:26
  describing her when she was a kid and the kind of stuff that
• 42:31
  she would be getting up to. And people talk about how she
• 42:35
  had she was she had a sexual relationship with her brother
• 42:41
  from an early age. Yeah.
• 42:44
  And. Then.
• 42:46
  Just kind of like from, as you say, from like 11 years of age.
• 42:50
  Like so she taught that her grandparents were her parents
• 42:53
  until she was about 10. They told her, yeah, the the
• 42:57
  truth. And then she kind of, I think
• 43:00
  that's she, I want to say she went kind of off the wall there.
• 43:04
  But like, again, that's speculation from me.
• 43:07
  If we go into her relationship with her grandparents, that's
• 43:10
  there's, there's more, that's another kind of worms to open up
• 43:14
  as well. So, yeah, I think the, the like
• 43:18
  she was kind of always a tick and time bomb of when this
• 43:22
  behavior was going to start. But it's it did start early.
• 43:25
  And at 11 she was, umm, I think her friend described as she
• 43:32
  asked one guy for a sip of beer while they were all hanging out
• 43:36
  in the woods. This is where they'd go.
• 43:37
  Like, there was kind of the 1960s.
• 43:40
  It was kind of feral back in the day.
• 43:42
  Like the kids would go out and hang out in the woods and stuff.
• 43:45
  They drink beer, smoke cigarettes and get up to
• 43:47
  whatever they get up to. And she asked for a drink of
• 43:51
  beer. And the guy said, well, what are
• 43:55
  you going to do for me if I give you a drink of beer?
• 43:57
  And that was her first instance in, you know, selling herself
• 44:04
  for something as as little as as just a drink of beer.
• 44:09
  And then that would kind of that that stemmed a lifestyle of
• 44:15
  transactional sex for her. She used, she used her body
• 44:19
  basically to get everything she wanted from.
• 44:21
  And from that age, it was basically just change cigarettes
• 44:25
  and a lot of attention. Yeah.
• 44:30
  And I did, I did read another account as well that someone was
• 44:34
  saying about her is that she would fight.
• 44:39
  She loved getting into. Fights anyway, but she would
• 44:40
  fight. A lot on behalf of people
• 44:42
  because she apparently like hated bullying.
• 44:45
  I don't think it's as much she hated bullying as much as she
• 44:48
  just loved fighting. And that was an excuse to kind
• 44:50
  of justify it if she couldn't start one herself or there was
• 44:53
  no, you know what I mean? But apparently she did kind of
• 44:57
  like stand up for like the. Losers.
• 45:00
  Say, but I think that was more an adrenaline thing that she was
• 45:03
  just like she, and I'll get into that later.
• 45:05
  That does kind of play huge into the rest of the story.
• 45:09
  And but if you think about her. Her.
• 45:13
  Her grandfather I think Laurie is his name.
• 45:16
  Girl's name eh? There's accounts from her
• 45:20
  friends at the time, or I don't know if you can call a lot of
• 45:23
  them friends, but what they would have described him as just
• 45:30
  a kind of a beast of a man that would relentlessly, like, beat
• 45:35
  her. He'd beat the shit out of her.
• 45:37
  Yeah. So.
• 45:37
  Basically he. One of the friends counted a
• 45:40
  time when he didn't even tell the friend to leave the house.
• 45:44
  And when Aileen got home, he just eh took her to a chair,
• 45:48
  told her to put her hands on the back of the chair.
• 45:51
  Eh dropped eh her eh trousers and beat her mercilessly with a
• 45:57
  belt. And the, the girl said it
• 45:59
  definitely went on for 5 minutes.
• 46:02
  And yeah, she was just a little girl at the time.
• 46:04
  So she was watching her friend getting beaten by her her like,
• 46:08
  you know, grandfather fat or whatever way you're going to
• 46:10
  describe this relationship and just beat her with a belt And
• 46:13
  she said that's what he done with someone watching.
• 46:16
  So you can imagine what was being done to her behind closed
• 46:19
  doors. So if you think about.
• 46:22
  Her like. Maybe she was powerless at home
• 46:24
  and that's where she kind of would have that attitude of
• 46:28
  sticking out for the little guy or at least like wanting to get
• 46:30
  into fights where she had the power.
• 46:33
  I don't know. Like, again, I'm, I'm no
• 46:35
  psychologist. I'm speculating like, yeah.
• 46:37
  Umm. So.
• 46:41
  Yeah, as you said, like the home life with their with her
• 46:44
  grandparents was just awful for for the both kids.
• 46:47
  And yeah, as you said, they would engage in sexual
• 46:51
  relationship relations at home together.
• 46:54
  But most of all, Aileen, her grandfather was a fucking raging
• 47:00
  alcoholic. He would assault her.
• 47:02
  He'd beat her throughout her childhood.
• 47:04
  He'd also rape her. I don't know about the brother,
• 47:08
  I would assume maybe he was abused too and I get I I
• 47:13
  probably. Shouldn't assume?
• 47:14
  But yeah, I think there were that the two of them.
• 47:18
  Were were were fairly badly beaten, Yeah, and.
• 47:22
  He would. Also allow friends of the family
• 47:25
  to come by the house. Like, yeah, come on back and
• 47:29
  basically participate in raping and abusing Aileen, which is
• 47:35
  fucking awful. Again, not sure about the
• 47:37
  brother if this happened to him, but yeah, this was her entire
• 47:41
  experience growing up. This was just her her childhood,
• 47:45
  which is really fucking really sad.
• 47:47
  So sadly that at the age of 14, Aileen becomes pregnant and.
• 47:55
  Yeah, basically. Of by one of her grandparents
• 47:58
  friends knocks her up. Well, Aileen was in regulation.
• 48:02
  There. Is.
• 48:03
  Like that nobody really knows like there was people are like
• 48:07
  they say it was from one of the grandparents friends or to say
• 48:10
  it was from her grandfather. And other people are also saying
• 48:13
  like it could have been her brother as well.
• 48:16
  But and she named the tale of Keith before she before she gave
• 48:21
  it away. And that's basically she was
• 48:22
  really named after her brother, so.
• 48:24
  Yeah, that her and her. Brother.
• 48:25
  Really, really close. Probably the only, like, male
• 48:28
  figure in her life that she's ever truly loved.
• 48:31
  Yeah, so she was. Sent then, which maybe was a
• 48:35
  fucking blessing in disguise, she was sent to like essentially
• 48:38
  like a fucking laundry, like a Magdalene laundry, just a home
• 48:42
  for for unwed brothers. And while there, that's when she
• 48:46
  would put the baby up for adoption.
• 48:48
  This happened in March 1971 and shortly after giving birth to
• 48:52
  her baby, Aileen goes back to living with her grandparents.
• 48:58
  Wasn't long after that then that when her grandmother died of
• 49:01
  liver failure. And at the time, at that time
• 49:04
  Eileen just dropped out of school so.
• 49:09
  I was trying to fucking figure this out and I'm sure.
• 49:12
  I just missed it, but I can't figure out if the grandmother
• 49:17
  was aware of the abuse that was going on.
• 49:21
  She had to have been because like, how could you miss that?
• 49:26
  I think like. She she was a rage and alcoholic
• 49:29
  as well, but it sounds about like especially she's like she
• 49:31
  died of liver Vander like but like, yeah.
• 49:36
  It's it's. Funny because.
• 49:38
  Alien changes her accounts years later of what her grandparents
• 49:42
  were like. But like, you can't.
• 49:44
  A lot, yeah, but none. Of her, none of her.
• 49:47
  Friends like change their account to suit like or none of
• 49:52
  the people back then. So they would have described the
• 49:55
  grandparents like mostly the grandfather.
• 49:57
  But like they do this, they do say that the grandmother knew
• 50:02
  all along or she had to have known because you know, like you
• 50:06
  can't again, he was he was open enough to to beat the shit out
• 50:10
  of a little girl in front of her friends.
• 50:13
  So like you can imagine what he was doing in front of his wife.
• 50:17
  I I think it's because like. They did have a close
• 50:21
  relationship and she did love her grandmother.
• 50:23
  I think that's the only reason that there is speculation
• 50:26
  whether she knew or not. But there's no way she didn't
• 50:28
  know. I think she was probably just
• 50:29
  like, this was maybe the only remotely tender and kind figure
• 50:34
  she had in her life. But yeah, you know what I mean.
• 50:37
  That's what I would say as well. Like that.
• 50:39
  Like. If you don't know love like if.
• 50:42
  If your dailies are filled with like, eh beatens and eh, you
• 50:49
  know, sexual fucking assaults, then like what you might class
• 50:55
  as love wouldn't be what we would class as love.
• 50:58
  So like, yeah, if she's just like.
• 51:01
  Welsh, he doesn't. Hit me.
• 51:03
  So yeah, you know what I mean. She's the good guy.
• 51:06
  Like, even though she's complicit in it by not doing
• 51:08
  anything, umm, But yeah, I don't know.
• 51:10
  Umm. But again, I shouldn't assume
• 51:13
  so. Anyway, she dropped out of
• 51:15
  school at this point. Now she's 15, she's still living
• 51:20
  with just her grandpa and her brother as well.
• 51:24
  And that's when her grandpa would kick her out at 15 and
• 51:28
  kicked Keith out as well. So at this point, Aileen and her
• 51:32
  brother, they've nowhere to go and they kind of just split and
• 51:37
  went in different directions. Eileen ended up going.
• 51:41
  Out and like basically. Like living in the woods for a
• 51:44
  while, like she had nowhere else to go.
• 51:47
  And then she this is where it brings us to her tragic end.
• 51:52
  Her whole life, she started working as a sex worker at the
• 51:55
  age of 15. So between this point, like when
• 51:59
  she had moved out and between the ages of 15 and 18, there's
• 52:04
  not really kind of much documented.
• 52:06
  I think she was just basically working as a sex worker just to
• 52:11
  barely get by, staying in shitty motels and things.
• 52:14
  And she was. She was.
• 52:17
  Apparently living in like abandoned cars and like John's
• 52:23
  places like so. Like she she'd.
• 52:25
  Go to guys houses and like sleep with them so that she'd have
• 52:30
  somewhere to sleep like which and again, yeah, motels and
• 52:34
  stuff like that. Like but like she was like.
• 52:37
  Literally living out in the. Woods I like.
• 52:40
  Yeah, she and like she. Made the decision to move from.
• 52:43
  Michigan because it was too cold living outside.
• 52:46
  She wanted to move somewhere that was warmer, to be homeless.
• 52:49
  Yeah, yeah. And like again, she she did go
• 52:54
  into a. Lot of that, but then the.
• 52:55
  Stories kind of change over the years.
• 52:58
  She she loved to spin the yarn and I think it's like she, she
• 53:01
  knew she was never getting out. She knew she was going to die.
• 53:03
  So she's just like, I'll just make it up fine.
• 53:04
  I'll just something different every time.
• 53:06
  So anyway, like what? We don't really know the truth.
• 53:09
  She did love to just tell tall tales.
• 53:12
  I'm. Sure, it was probably.
• 53:13
  Fucking horribly tragic in its own way.
• 53:17
  But like, yeah, she did. She did kind of change it.
• 53:20
  So now we'll Fast forward to May of 1974.
• 53:24
  She's 18 years old at this point, and she was arrested in
• 53:27
  Colorado. She was arrested because she was
• 53:30
  driving under the influence, but also for firing a pistol from a
• 53:34
  moving vehicle. And yeah, basically she was
• 53:38
  arrested for public disorder, later charged.
• 53:41
  And. Failed to disappear, failed,
• 53:44
  failed to appear for court and just disappeared out of the
• 53:46
  state. And yeah, she basically just was
• 53:50
  racking up her record in this time.
• 53:52
  She didn't give a fuck. She'd be arrested.
• 53:54
  She'd be court ordered. She never showed up in 1976.
• 53:58
  She would end up hitching from Colorado to Florida when she was
• 54:04
  18, though. Like I.
• 54:06
  Thought she got done for an armed robbery and ended up for a
• 54:09
  few months in jail. That's.
• 54:14
  In, that's further down, that's in.
• 54:16
  Florida. I have that here, unless we just
• 54:19
  got it wrong so. Basically she.
• 54:26
  She's in Florida now. That's when she meets 69 year
• 54:29
  old Lewis, who was a Yacht Club president.
• 54:32
  She fell. She.
• 54:33
  Fell for Lewis, yeah. That's that's funny.
• 54:38
  Because his second name is Fell. His name is Lewis Fell.
• 54:43
  I just have. Lewis, I forgot it was fell.
• 54:46
  They ended up getting married. No, hold on for anybody.
• 54:49
  Listening to this, that was a good, It was a good joke.
• 54:52
  That was a good joke. Let's bring some levity.
• 54:55
  To. Such a a tough this.
• 55:00
  Is tough subject matter and that.
• 55:02
  Was just a nice little pun all right so everybody listen at
• 55:05
  home you're welcome so this. Name was Lewis.
• 55:08
  Fell this. Lewis.
• 55:10
  Right. She fell for Lewis, right?
• 55:14
  So this guy a little bit off top.
• 55:17
  It's not off topic. It's the same.
• 55:18
  Topic, but there was recently. A Netflix.
• 55:22
  Movie about this kind of portion.
• 55:27
  Of. Aileen's life, it went into
• 55:30
  where she was with Lewis. And Lewis?
• 55:35
  Was like, obviously he's 70 year old man, but he's doing the most
• 55:39
  to try and take care of her and be kind to her and she's so
• 55:42
  fucked up that she just cannot accept love or kindness or
• 55:48
  anything. The daughter.
• 55:52
  His. Daughter is like older than her
• 55:55
  at this point as well. And that whole thing is like her
• 55:58
  basically trying to get Alien out of the way, which I
• 56:01
  completely would fucking understand.
• 56:03
  Yeah and they used like some fucking gorgeous young, like
• 56:08
  fucking like Netflix it actress to play Alien and everything.
• 56:13
  And I was just like what she look like but OK.
• 56:15
  And we'll get to that later on. But that whole thing is like.
• 56:20
  Basically how? She could have had such a good
• 56:23
  thing for herself and her brain chemistry.
• 56:29
  What, like whatever has happened to her her whole life, she could
• 56:34
  not accept it at all. And now he was said to be very,
• 56:38
  very abusive. She she.
• 56:41
  She didn't. Yeah.
• 56:44
  And he had to. Like get a restraining.
• 56:46
  Order and everything and like from all accounts.
• 56:51
  Which she has even. Said herself he never.
• 56:53
  Once like pressured her for sex, he never once like tried to do
• 56:56
  it, but she just couldn't accept the love.
• 56:57
  It just made her so uncomfortable because it was
• 57:00
  something so far into where she wasn't wasn't used to it.
• 57:03
  Like and I'd say if he was a fucking an abusive bastard like
• 57:08
  she actually probably would have stayed.
• 57:10
  She probably would have found that easier, but she could not
• 57:13
  accept someone who like genuinely cared.
• 57:15
  And I think his staff and his house as well were so kind to
• 57:18
  her. And I think she had like
• 57:20
  friendships with like the the help and everything.
• 57:24
  And she couldn't understand why these people were being kind of,
• 57:26
  granted, they're probably fucking paid to be kind to her
• 57:28
  like at this point. But like it's still kindness
• 57:31
  that she just cannot seem to accept from anybody, no matter
• 57:36
  what it is or who it is. So they had like a bunch of
• 57:39
  fucking, she'd go out. She'd be like with this.
• 57:43
  Man, she'd go out in town, she'd get into fucking bar fights
• 57:46
  nearly every night because she just loved to fucking bar fight.
• 57:49
  Just basically making a show with this man who had a good
• 57:51
  reputation and everyone be like, oh, that's like, you know,
• 57:55
  Lewis's little fucking fancy lady and she's out.
• 57:58
  Scrapping in fucking. Bars like he's bailing her out
• 58:01
  like every other fucking night because she's just done
• 58:05
  something fucking stupid. Like, I think she, like, broke a
• 58:07
  bottle of like, vodka over the bartender's head at one point,
• 58:10
  which don't shoot that. Yeah, she's.
• 58:16
  What? Like what?
• 58:18
  Why did? How did it get?
• 58:20
  So far that like he married her is what I wonder I think.
• 58:25
  Like because he was a. John for a while and and then I
• 58:29
  think. It got to a point.
• 58:30
  Where it's like, oh, love you, I want to take you away from all
• 58:33
  this, which is is what they do sometimes and it even goes to
• 58:40
  she like in. In the movie.
• 58:41
  Itself with Charlie throne there is a scene where.
• 58:47
  She gets picked. Up and she just assumes it's
• 58:50
  another job and he's trying to help her to get her off the
• 58:54
  street and to basically give her like a what are they called like
• 58:59
  like care home. But like a.
• 59:01
  Kind of a halfway house. Yeah.
• 59:05
  And she finds that insulting and like, like kills the guy.
• 59:09
  And then there's a whole. Like thing where she still says,
• 59:11
  well, not so she's dead now, spoiler alert.
• 59:14
  But she said like, up until the very end that that was the only
• 59:17
  kill that she really, really regretted.
• 59:18
  Because yeah, she kind of came to after just the initial rage
• 59:23
  of how dare you? And then was like, oh, fuck, He
• 59:26
  actually like, just wanted to help me and he knew what
• 59:30
  situation I was in. Yeah, he was the one guy that
• 59:32
  people were saying. This doesn't make sense because
• 59:34
  he doesn't seem like the type of guy that would be out looking.
• 59:38
  I mean so. He picked.
• 59:41
  Her up off the street, because she was.
• 59:42
  Fucking freezing. Cold.
• 59:44
  And he had, like, food. He gave her food.
• 59:46
  Like he was just being like, you know, are you OK?
• 59:49
  He had a wife and kids that he was perfectly happy with.
• 59:51
  He just wanted to help her and her whole thing was like she'd
• 59:55
  never experienced that from a man before so it freaked her the
• 59:58
  fuck out because she just assumed it was fake because
• 1:00:00
  that's just how men are. They all act a certain way to
• 1:00:03
  get you that way and in prison. She was like.
• 1:00:09
  And she would maintain that for the rest of her days, like right
• 1:00:13
  up until the chair, she would maintain that man has haunted me
• 1:00:17
  my whole life. I feel awful and like I don't
• 1:00:21
  give a fuck about any of the rest of them.
• 1:00:22
  They're all the same. But like this man wanted to help
• 1:00:25
  me and I, I did that. And she's like, I'll always
• 1:00:28
  regret that. And I'll take that to the grave
• 1:00:30
  with me that just this man wanted to help.
• 1:00:32
  And she's like, I hope that he's up.
• 1:00:33
  He's up there basically and sees that I do feel remorse for it
• 1:00:38
  and I didn't want to and I'm sorry to his family and all this
• 1:00:40
  kind of stuff. So it was kind of like that one
• 1:00:42
  moment of her, like, humanity basically in this whole mess
• 1:00:47
  that she gets herself into. But yeah, basically, she'd get
• 1:00:51
  herself into all these kinds of fights for no fucking reason
• 1:00:53
  either. Like, she would just, again,
• 1:00:55
  like, insert herself into other people's fights.
• 1:00:57
  She'd end up getting arrested because she'd take it too
• 1:00:59
  fucking far, like, just breaking shit over people's heads and
• 1:01:02
  everything. And that eventually led to,
• 1:01:07
  again, her sitting in jail for assault of Lewis, like you said
• 1:01:12
  she did. She did beat the Sherbin with
• 1:01:14
  his own cane so he followed the restraining order against her.
• 1:01:21
  And this was only a few weeks after the marriage, so I don't
• 1:01:24
  think the marriage done too well.
• 1:01:27
  Yeah. So, yeah, after that, then the
• 1:01:32
  restraining order said that she needed to stay away from him,
• 1:01:35
  from the husband, from his daughter.
• 1:01:36
  And then she went back to Michigan in 1976.
• 1:01:40
  That's where she was charged with assault and disturbing the
• 1:01:43
  peace for throwing a cue ball at a bartender's head.
• 1:01:49
  And yeah, she'd hang out at. Local dive bars because they're
• 1:01:52
  always open late and she would meet new people, hopefully be
• 1:01:55
  able to like crash on someone's sofa, go home with them.
• 1:01:59
  So yeah, always at bars all the time and always getting into
• 1:02:02
  fights and or making friends. So.
• 1:02:08
  After she threw the fucking cue ball at the bartender.
• 1:02:14
  She served I think a few weeks in prison there, laid low for a
• 1:02:20
  little bit, didn't. Fuck.
• 1:02:21
  Around for a while because she found out that Keith bless him
• 1:02:24
  got cancer and he was really, really sick he passed away then
• 1:02:28
  in July of 1976 and she was just devastated like absolutely in in
• 1:02:35
  bits because and I think as. Well.
• 1:02:39
  This. Kind of would link to that poor
• 1:02:42
  man that she regretted until they she died because there's
• 1:02:45
  maybe what two men that she's ever met in her life that just
• 1:02:50
  wanted to show her kindness and to help her and like be there
• 1:02:54
  for her. And like it absolutely fucking
• 1:02:57
  like devastated her. So he back in when he died.
• 1:03:02
  Then she got 10 grand from insurance that he had left her.
• 1:03:08
  I think she might have got something out of deal.
• 1:03:10
  Annulment with with Lewis as like a small amount of money and
• 1:03:17
  she blew it like straight away. And then, yeah, not long after
• 1:03:21
  was the death of her brother and she got like 10 grand from his
• 1:03:25
  life insurance and yeah, 10 from life insurance.
• 1:03:30
  Yeah, like she's paid. Off with her, fine.
• 1:03:33
  Yeah, she said she. Paid off a fine.
• 1:03:37
  That she had gotten with that 10 grand.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, I don't, I don't know, like I.
• 1:03:42
  Like from what you can hear from people is that like when the
• 1:03:46
  money comes in, it just goes like she doesn't.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah, like, I mean same like she.
• 1:03:52
  Well, same as the whole. Lot of us, but like, I think
• 1:03:55
  what what what she does with her money is and she'll get down to
• 1:04:02
  the local dive bar and everybody's drinking.
• 1:04:05
  Like, you know, that's yeah, that's the kind of the way she
• 1:04:09
  was with like, well, I can't that that 10 grand, eh, I can't
• 1:04:13
  imagine it going all on the plane or and I don't she said
• 1:04:17
  that. She didn't seem like the kind
• 1:04:19
  of. Person that would.
• 1:04:20
  Pay a fine as well like from No that's exactly what my my
• 1:04:24
  thought. Was I was reading as like, Oh
• 1:04:25
  yeah. She said that she used it and I
• 1:04:28
  think she blew through it within like a couple of months and then
• 1:04:33
  said that she paid a fine, which I don't believe, and then that
• 1:04:36
  she got a car, but yeah, it was gone within 2.
• 1:04:41
  Months. And yeah, the car she basically
• 1:04:46
  fucking wrecked within a few weeks of buying it as well.
• 1:04:49
  She like fucking rafted around a tree.
• 1:04:51
  So that money just went on nothing really fucking fast.
• 1:04:56
  She doesn't. She doesn't do great things for
• 1:04:57
  the reputation. Of women drivers either because
• 1:05:00
  like there's this in our life, there's a few instances where
• 1:05:04
  with with I, I am a woman. We.
• 1:05:07
  Fucking suck at driving. I'll say that.
• 1:05:10
  We can't drive and we can't use ATMs. Why the fuck are women so
• 1:05:15
  slow ATMs? What the fuck are they doing?
• 1:05:18
  Probably fucking fixing their lipstick or something.
• 1:05:21
  Just makes me fucking mad just thinking about it.
• 1:05:23
  They're so. Slow.
• 1:05:30
  Like I do have ATM. 10 years. I do, yeah.
• 1:05:34
  I have my. I have my ATM things as well,
• 1:05:36
  like if I'm in a queue for an ATM, I've got my ATM in my hand
• 1:05:40
  ass slot level so that like even if I'm three people back, I am
• 1:05:45
  ready to go. I have my my, my PIN is in my
• 1:05:47
  head, my card is in my hand and I am ready to go.
• 1:05:50
  I will. This transaction is like a
• 1:05:53
  Formula One pit stop. I mean insert DDDD, give me the
• 1:05:57
  fucking money and I'm gone. People who dilly dally at ATM's
• 1:06:02
  should be shot back in the head and then their body should be
• 1:06:05
  swept into an open sewer. Even when I'm.
• 1:06:09
  Not in a rush. I can't stand it because I'm
• 1:06:12
  just like, there was someone there before you and you have
• 1:06:15
  the time and it's like I need to go and get cash out and you're
• 1:06:19
  stood there and then you get the cash options and you're like,
• 1:06:23
  what do I need? Why are you thinking?
• 1:06:26
  About it. It's like people who are in a
• 1:06:28
  chipper. People are in a chipper and
• 1:06:30
  you're way behind them in the queue and they've there's five
• 1:06:32
  people ahead of them and then when they get to the top of the
• 1:06:35
  queue to go, hmm, what do I want?
• 1:06:37
  You should have fucking talk about that.
• 1:06:39
  You should have, you should know what you want.
• 1:06:40
  You should know what you want, it reminds.
• 1:06:43
  Me of Mr. Burns in the. Slaughterhouse.
• 1:06:46
  He's just like, oh, I'll try this one.
• 1:06:48
  It's a bit listless, isn't he? I'll just have a glass of milk
• 1:06:53
  from that care. Simpsons.
• 1:06:56
  Reference, yeah. But yeah.
• 1:07:03
  No, like that. I just fucking it.
• 1:07:05
  It just pisses me off so much. And it's like, I used to go to
• 1:07:08
  whenever we'd go out after OTT and we'd always be drinking in
• 1:07:11
  the Gypsy and I'd have to go to the fucking, the ATM and Tampa
• 1:07:15
  bar. And I used to hate it because I
• 1:07:17
  just feel like there's going to be like fucking 5 drunk women in
• 1:07:21
  front of me sandwiched with like 2 drunk men who are still able
• 1:07:25
  to use the fucking ATM and. Go and they're.
• 1:07:30
  Just like. In their little tiny fucking
• 1:07:32
  handbags, which I'm like the damn bag, tiny.
• 1:07:33
  If you can't find a fucking card in there, I'll leave it.
• 1:07:35
  So like, fuck off. I'm Irish on this, I'm drinking.
• 1:07:39
  White Claw Vodka, I've never had it before and I don't know, I
• 1:07:43
  leave it, so I have to do that in years, so.
• 1:07:47
  I leave it so. My mom used to say it all the
• 1:07:52
  time. Sure, if you can't make a
• 1:07:55
  fucking. Sandwich yourself.
• 1:07:56
  I'll leave it. So I was like, what does that
• 1:07:59
  even mean? May of. 1980.
• 1:08:03
  One, she went back to Florida, and when she was there, she
• 1:08:08
  decided to rob a convenience store.
• 1:08:10
  There you go. Now there's your convenience
• 1:08:11
  store. When she was there, she
• 1:08:15
  actually. Only got. $35 and two packs of
• 1:08:18
  cigarettes. That was enough for her.
• 1:08:19
  She was like fine, no win. She ended up being caught.
• 1:08:24
  And she even said this in an interview.
• 1:08:26
  She was really sloppy with all of her work.
• 1:08:29
  She'd never really tried to like, I guess, hide the fact.
• 1:08:34
  That she was doing illegal. Stuff I appreciate the honesty,
• 1:08:39
  but yeah, she just. A lot of the times.
• 1:08:43
  Like she would just take it and walk out and like completely
• 1:08:46
  blatant and they either like didn't do anything because I
• 1:08:50
  wouldn't do anything. You don't fucking pay me enough
• 1:08:52
  to go after fucking alien Ware nose.
• 1:08:54
  Like we're taking a few beers. Out of the fridge, I'm just.
• 1:08:57
  Like that's not my problem. And yeah, but yeah, she's not.
• 1:09:02
  A criminal. Mastermind.
• 1:09:03
  By any stretch of the imagination, she was.
• 1:09:06
  She's not living living a lawless life.
• 1:09:10
  It wasn't like she was, she was out there and kind of like,
• 1:09:15
  here's my plan and here's what I'm going to do.
• 1:09:17
  She was just living like she was.
• 1:09:19
  She was kind of. Just.
• 1:09:21
  Walking around. Doing what?
• 1:09:23
  She wanted to do. She was like, I'd imagine a
• 1:09:27
  drunk most of the time. And just like she lived a life
• 1:09:31
  in which she scavenged in a forest for her fucking formative
• 1:09:35
  years. Yeah, like, so like her walking
• 1:09:37
  in and stealing cigarettes and some beer, I'm walking out of
• 1:09:41
  the shop isn't like, this big operation to her.
• 1:09:45
  It's just life. It's just walk in, take what you
• 1:09:47
  need and leave. You see it all the.
• 1:09:50
  Time, right and it's. Like I, I.
• 1:09:52
  Always see that in the the Co-op by us, right.
• 1:09:54
  So the building that I'm in, there's like a Novotel.
• 1:09:58
  Do we have Novotels in Ireland? It's the cheap fucking nightly
• 1:10:03
  rate, like hotels, like really bit like a Travelodge basically,
• 1:10:06
  just really they're pretty basic.
• 1:10:08
  I get. I get the.
• 1:10:08
  Concept, yeah. And it's it's all the kind of.
• 1:10:12
  Like again, if you're in halfway houses or whatever and you can
• 1:10:15
  afford a night in an overtel, you stay in the Novotel might be
• 1:10:19
  like £3540 for the night, you get a good sleep, a shower or
• 1:10:23
  whatever. So it's it's full of ne'er do
• 1:10:25
  wells and the Co-op is right across from it.
• 1:10:30
  And that's like the closest shop to me.
• 1:10:32
  So I've been in there a few. Times I like so the office.
• 1:10:36
  That I used to work in was like right next door to it and you'd
• 1:10:39
  go in like 8:00 in the morning and you'd have these people
• 1:10:41
  going in. They're just like arm fulls of
• 1:10:44
  fucking wine and they're just walking back out.
• 1:10:46
  Security is right there. They're just like because it's.
• 1:10:49
  Like they. Don't fucking like.
• 1:10:52
  I don't. Get.
• 1:10:53
  Paid enough in any. Job to like fucking go and
• 1:10:56
  follow them and be like excuse me, you can't take all of this
• 1:11:00
  wine and they're like they're robbing they're not even robbing
• 1:11:02
  the good wine they're robbing like the fucking like Co-op zone
• 1:11:05
  fucking £3.50 bottle of like Pinot Grigio like Pinot grit and
• 1:11:11
  it's like there's no fucking. There's certain.
• 1:11:14
  People that can go in there and I think they just know already
• 1:11:17
  that they're going to steal things and like one of my
• 1:11:19
  friends and it's the only thing I'll.
• 1:11:22
  Say about her we've had like. We've had a few disagreements in
• 1:11:24
  this sense because she is very like, she is lovely Italy.
• 1:11:29
  She's not gonna. Listen to this time.
• 1:11:31
  But she's very much. Like by the rules.
• 1:11:34
  And my whole thing is if you see someone stealing food, no the
• 1:11:37
  fuck you didn't mind your own fucking business.
• 1:11:40
  Yeah, because Co-op does not need your fucking money for
• 1:11:44
  corporations. Exactly.
• 1:11:47
  I fucking steal. From Tesco, all the fucking
• 1:11:51
  time. I'll go and I'll get my bits.
• 1:11:53
  If I want to fucking bread roll when I'm walking around, I'll
• 1:11:55
  take it. I'll chomp on it.
• 1:11:56
  They're not get. I'm not going to fucking scan
• 1:11:58
  this. Oh, by the way, I had a bread
• 1:11:59
  roll back in that section. Could you print a label it for
• 1:12:02
  me so I can fit? No fuck off.
• 1:12:05
  Like anytime I used to go. With my nieces and nephews.
• 1:12:06
  I'd just like, take bars of chocolate, whatever they wanted,
• 1:12:08
  and like, yeah, eat them. Just fucking hide the wrappers
• 1:12:10
  before we get to the till. That's it.
• 1:12:13
  I don't give a fuck, right? If I needed something, I'll just
• 1:12:15
  take it. They don't care.
• 1:12:16
  But she was like, she was in there.
• 1:12:19
  She was like, we used to work in the same office.
• 1:12:21
  And. She came back into the office,
• 1:12:24
  she's in Co-op and I just saw like this woman like stealing a
• 1:12:28
  bunch of wine at the fridge and I was like, Oh yeah, she's like,
• 1:12:32
  yeah, I told security and I was like, you fucking narc.
• 1:12:36
  She was like, what? Why would you go and fucking?
• 1:12:39
  Tell. I told you she was a cunt.
• 1:12:43
  She's English. She's English.
• 1:12:45
  And I was like, Oh yeah. That makes sense.
• 1:12:48
  I fucking. Dog's.
• 1:12:50
  Body brace. Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  And I was like, dude, like, come on.
• 1:12:55
  And then I was like. Why would you fucking?
• 1:12:57
  Tell like what? Like what?
• 1:12:58
  What difference is that to you? That some woman who clearly is
• 1:13:01
  down on her fucking look not having a good life once a bottle
• 1:13:05
  of £5 wine at fucking 8:00 AM like oh Danielle, don't you know
• 1:13:10
  that if you were to let. The rules go then society would
• 1:13:14
  instantly collapse. We must actually would crumble
• 1:13:19
  We we must. Must.
• 1:13:21
  Uphold the law. To the.
• 1:13:22
  Letter and make sure all these great corporations get every
• 1:13:27
  single penny, lest society crumbles into disorganized
• 1:13:33
  buffoonery. And I was like, I was there.
• 1:13:37
  And Ritz. And me, me and Mickey were like,
• 1:13:40
  she was, she was. Saying to me and.
• 1:13:41
  Mickey and Mickey used to work. In a Co-op when she lived in
• 1:13:44
  Scotland and she was even like, bro, if you're coming up to me
• 1:13:48
  and you're telling me that, that you saw that I don't give a fuck
• 1:13:51
  and I'm telling you I don't give a fuck.
• 1:13:53
  Like they can fucking pay for the five year like the £5 bottle
• 1:13:56
  of wine. It's not a big deal.
• 1:13:58
  She's like, oh, it's just whatever.
• 1:13:59
  And then like I saw a video and I said I sent the video.
• 1:14:01
  To her and it was like. One of the fucking like the
• 1:14:04
  Daily Mirror, fucking stupid TikTok.
• 1:14:07
  So they're like, oh, there's like people who are getting sick
• 1:14:10
  of people just going in and taking food from Greg's.
• 1:14:13
  They're fucking sausage rolled and the people who are walking
• 1:14:16
  in. And taking them are clearly.
• 1:14:17
  People who need food, it's not like they're going in, they're
• 1:14:20
  dining at a fucking five star restaurant and then like running
• 1:14:23
  out on the bill, which I would also be fine with.
• 1:14:25
  Like don't fuck, I don't give a fuck, but they're going in,
• 1:14:28
  they're taking something that's 90P and there's people stepping
• 1:14:32
  in to be like help rule breaking.
• 1:14:34
  And I was like fuck you, dude. Like this is clearly someone who
• 1:14:38
  doesn't have the fucking money or the.
• 1:14:40
  Means. To go out and fucking like do a
• 1:14:42
  grocery shop for themselves, like if I'm behind the counter
• 1:14:46
  and I know a lot of people. Like the Greg's?
• 1:14:47
  Closest to me they. Just don't look up.
• 1:14:49
  They're just like yeah fine, whatever.
• 1:14:51
  Like stock loss, cool, doesn't give.
• 1:14:53
  I would not give a fuck. And like Elise again, like, she
• 1:14:57
  was saying that like, we were talking again a few days later.
• 1:14:59
  And it was after a Glastonbury. So she worked at Glastonbury.
• 1:15:02
  She does it every year. And I was talking about Bob
• 1:15:06
  Villain's set, you know, where he was like death, death to the
• 1:15:08
  idea. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:10
  I just think it was a bit much. I was like, dead.
• 1:15:13
  Babies. Being a home from lamppost.
• 1:15:15
  By their intestines it's. Politically, OK.
• 1:15:19
  And she was like, that's not what I meant.
• 1:15:21
  I was like, then you're just not educated on the subject.
• 1:15:23
  She's like, yeah, like stay or that kind of thing.
• 1:15:24
  And I was like, then you're just, you don't know anything
• 1:15:26
  that's going on, so you can't be outraged.
• 1:15:28
  And you should be outraged. You would be if you knew what
• 1:15:31
  was going on. She's like, no, I don't really
• 1:15:33
  like politics. And I'm like, well.
• 1:15:36
  Yeah, it's like. That's that's my thing.
• 1:15:40
  With this I've. I've heard this stuff before as.
• 1:15:42
  Where people are like this Bob villain lad like he shall be, he
• 1:15:46
  shall be jailed for same death. Death kneecap thing.
• 1:15:51
  Yeah, yeah, the same thing again.
• 1:15:53
  And like then you kind of. Say to them, you know what, why
• 1:15:55
  he's saying that about the IDF and then they're like, no, I
• 1:15:58
  don't really get into that kind of stuff.
• 1:16:00
  It's well then why do you have an opinion of that's this side
• 1:16:02
  of it if you're not informed exactly if you think that's a
• 1:16:06
  bit much and it's a bit. Political and then you're told
• 1:16:10
  why, Unlike it's this. It's the same thing as like
• 1:16:14
  people going like, Oh my God, like there's so many like
• 1:16:16
  fucking Republicans. And stuff I've.
• 1:16:18
  Seen like post videos and like I just haven't been the same since
• 1:16:21
  I saw that disgusting video of Charlie Kirk being shot in the
• 1:16:26
  neck and just this act of violence that.
• 1:16:28
  Exists. I was like.
• 1:16:29
  Alright, well I saw someone beheaded when I was 10 on the
• 1:16:32
  Internet by the fucking cartel and like I'm so fucking.
• 1:16:36
  Sorry that. That's just put you into a
• 1:16:38
  fucking spin at your big age and not the fact that they are
• 1:16:42
  literally hanging children and gutting them and cutting them in
• 1:16:45
  half and laughing about it in Palestine.
• 1:16:48
  But Charlie Kirk gets shot, which again, he people are
• 1:16:52
  claiming it was a certain gun that shot him.
• 1:16:53
  If that certain gun had shot him, his head would have fucking
• 1:16:57
  exploded. That white tent would have been
• 1:16:58
  red. And he just trickled a little
• 1:17:01
  bit out of his fucking out of his throat.
• 1:17:04
  That's anyway, I'm not going to talk about Charlie Kirk.
• 1:17:07
  OK, let's get on this. I didn't see the the the the.
• 1:17:11
  Charlie Cork video He doesn't even flinch.
• 1:17:15
  He doesn't flinch. He.
• 1:17:18
  Basically, right. So he.
• 1:17:21
  They ask him. They're like, what's your
• 1:17:22
  thought on the? The current, I think, level of
• 1:17:27
  gun violence in the US and he's like with or without gang crime
• 1:17:31
  and then he's goes and then just.
• 1:17:33
  He puts his hand. Up to his neck and then it just
• 1:17:35
  like it's blood everywhere and he falls down, which would not
• 1:17:38
  fucking happen. He was shot at like what, 200
• 1:17:41
  feet by supposedly this fucking different?
• 1:17:45
  Kind of gun. He would have exploded, it would
• 1:17:47
  have just burst his neck and his fucking head would have fallen
• 1:17:50
  off. But it just literally looked
• 1:17:52
  like I didn't see any of this conspiracy stuff because.
• 1:17:57
  I got so over overexposed to this Charlie Kirk.
• 1:18:02
  So for like even talking about how I'm like, why are we doing
• 1:18:05
  it? Because like, the left have this
• 1:18:10
  fucking opinion of it, the right have this opinion of it.
• 1:18:14
  Everybody is at each other's trolls.
• 1:18:16
  And I'm kind of like, yes, I just don't give a fuck.
• 1:18:20
  People die every fucking day. But.
• 1:18:22
  It's not talking about the Epstein files.
• 1:18:24
  That's what the fucking. Story in my in my opinion, it
• 1:18:28
  wasn't even that well for me. Like maybe not like.
• 1:18:32
  Someone didn't shoot. Charlie Car for that maybe like
• 1:18:35
  I don't I again I don't know like maybe the conspiracy right
• 1:18:39
  it was but why it was put ill and.
• 1:18:42
  Why they're all talking about. It is because yeah, they want to
• 1:18:47
  keep the Epstein files. Out of people's mind.
• 1:18:50
  You get me? That's exactly.
• 1:18:51
  And that always happens. There's always something that
• 1:18:53
  happens to. Distract somebody from something
• 1:18:57
  so something else can get lost in the news or whatever the fuck
• 1:19:00
  can happen. Like there's, I don't know if
• 1:19:03
  you've seen this, you probably fucking haven't, but it's been
• 1:19:06
  all over like the smaller fucking news channels in America
• 1:19:09
  lately. There's a very well known
• 1:19:11
  finance guy in New York City at the minute who he and his
• 1:19:18
  assistant their. Text messages have leaked.
• 1:19:20
  He has a torture bunker in like his NYC apartment that's
• 1:19:24
  soundproof and everything. His assistant's job.
• 1:19:28
  She basically it was worse than Epstein and fucking what's her
• 1:19:33
  name? Maxwell Gillane.
• 1:19:34
  I used to call her like Gizzy Maxwell.
• 1:19:39
  Worse than that, because he would use.
• 1:19:42
  Like torture methods like electric shocks and things like
• 1:19:45
  that and wouldn't let them leave.
• 1:19:47
  She would find these like, models on Instagram and be like,
• 1:19:50
  Oh, yeah, you can have X amount of money if you just go and,
• 1:19:52
  like, sleep with them or whatever.
• 1:19:53
  And they're going, but they're getting tortured.
• 1:19:56
  The text that leaked where she was just, he was just like, oh,
• 1:19:58
  my God, such a messy night. Had so much fun.
• 1:20:01
  And then she was like, did you shock her pussy?
• 1:20:03
  It's like, of course I shocked her pussy.
• 1:20:05
  But like, waiting for them to upgrade the voltage and blah,
• 1:20:09
  blah, blah, just disgusting, horrible things.
• 1:20:12
  And they haven't arrested him even though they have all the
• 1:20:14
  evidence because he's that high up.
• 1:20:16
  And then apparently there's some prominent political figure that
• 1:20:20
  won't let it happen. Yeah.
• 1:20:24
  So he's got evidence on. Everybody as well and his
• 1:20:26
  little. Fucking torture.
• 1:20:27
  Chambers but. Don't listen.
• 1:20:29
  Don't have me go off on fucking the Epstein stuff again.
• 1:20:32
  Because I'm Boost, I was just about to fucking sound off
• 1:20:35
  there. We need to get through Alien.
• 1:20:40
  A lot of people have gotten through.
• 1:20:41
  Alien, Unfortunately, you. Come on, Alien, right?
• 1:20:45
  Right. We can talk about it at the end
• 1:20:46
  of. The year running.
• 1:20:46
  Around 20 and so. OK.
• 1:20:49
  We haven't even got, we haven't even got the murders yet.
• 1:20:53
  I know I'm getting there, I actually I am, but.
• 1:20:56
  There is a lot to. Talk about with this one.
• 1:20:59
  There is, so yeah. So basically she.
• 1:21:05
  Has. She was doing loads of legal
• 1:21:07
  stuff. She owned up to everything.
• 1:21:08
  She was just like, yeah, don't give a fuck.
• 1:21:10
  And a lot of the times a bunch of women who were homeless were
• 1:21:14
  doing the same thing, like maybe not as violent as her and get
• 1:21:16
  into fights, but it was just like you didn't like.
• 1:21:21
  They were just sloppy. Because they didn't have.
• 1:21:23
  To fucking be sneaky at this point.
• 1:21:26
  They were just like, I think a lot of people in those
• 1:21:28
  neighborhoods were like, yeah, this just happens.
• 1:21:31
  Like, and I think a lot of the women at the time that she would
• 1:21:35
  have hung around with like other sex workers and stuff were
• 1:21:38
  actually like quite kind people that the people working in these
• 1:21:42
  like establishments would have been.
• 1:21:45
  Oh, yeah, sure. Just like fucking.
• 1:21:47
  I wasn't watching when this happened or yeah, I had to go in
• 1:21:50
  the back to get something, you know what I mean?
• 1:21:52
  So they were kind of like, yeah, how I would be basically harder
• 1:21:57
  to blame guys itself as. Well, plus like.
• 1:21:59
  You have to think about back. Like again, it's not that long
• 1:22:03
  ago, but like, the world has changed so much in such a little
• 1:22:07
  time. Like you think about it, there
• 1:22:08
  would have been relatively no CCTV back then.
• 1:22:11
  No one had mobile phones. People were fucking hitchhike
• 1:22:15
  and you had to like, if you wanted to make a phone call, you
• 1:22:17
  had to get to a phone. Like, you know, the way the way
• 1:22:21
  life was back then was just. Shit was happening.
• 1:22:25
  Like there was, you know, there was no one was reporting stuff
• 1:22:29
  like no one was there was no fucking app to report to the
• 1:22:33
  cops or fucking no one pulled out a hard you.
• 1:22:37
  Yeah, exactly. Like I'm going to take out my
• 1:22:39
  phone. I'm.
• 1:22:39
  Going to record. You and like, no, no, not what's
• 1:22:41
  happening. I was so people are like, right,
• 1:22:42
  it's not worth my time to like go to the police to report
• 1:22:47
  someone taking a fucking beer of a friend.
• 1:22:49
  Like people got like raped and mugged and they're just like,
• 1:22:52
  Nah, I. Can't be bothered like.
• 1:22:55
  I just won't walk down that street again.
• 1:22:57
  You know, it was kind of it like.
• 1:22:59
  You know, yeah, it's. Kind of fucked up the people,
• 1:23:02
  the kind of stuff that people were like.
• 1:23:04
  Yeah, that's just. Not especially like in there in
• 1:23:08
  America, where like, violence was on the rise as well.
• 1:23:11
  Like I was just like, yeah, well, fucking some dude just got
• 1:23:13
  shot, but like, I'm going to walk over that body because
• 1:23:16
  that's life. Yeah, it's weird.
• 1:23:19
  Like it is. So at this point as well, umm.
• 1:23:23
  A lot. Of women that she would have
• 1:23:25
  kind of, like I say, hung around because I don't think she had
• 1:23:29
  like, a lot of friends. But who were also on the?
• 1:23:31
  Streets and stuff would just do petty things to get arrested for
• 1:23:35
  the night. So they had a bed or even just
• 1:23:37
  like a fucking bunk to lie on. Yeah, you have a bathroom,
• 1:23:42
  you've got some food that they give you like literally just
• 1:23:45
  they'd make a point to get caught.
• 1:23:47
  And I think she was doing that a lot as well.
• 1:23:50
  Like so say she didn't have the money for like a motel or
• 1:23:53
  whatever the fuck. There was no fucking unlocked
• 1:23:56
  cars that she could get into. I just thought that's that was
• 1:23:59
  really interesting. But anyway, so she it is it is
• 1:24:02
  interesting that like you would rather spend.
• 1:24:05
  The night in jail and the night on the street, like, you know,
• 1:24:07
  like, that's, yeah. Like it's, it's kind of a crazy
• 1:24:11
  system that like, if you think about like the the kind of
• 1:24:16
  lowest people in society, like which like basically she's a
• 1:24:20
  street Walker at this at this point in her life for want of a
• 1:24:23
  better term. And she was like every day she's
• 1:24:28
  out there risking her life. Like, you know, you don't know
• 1:24:30
  what's, what's going to happen day-to-day and who you're
• 1:24:32
  interacting with. And, you know, eh, she felt
• 1:24:35
  safer at night in prison, or rather in jail, I should say,
• 1:24:39
  than on the streets. Like.
• 1:24:40
  So it's kind of a yeah, you know, it's just kind of like
• 1:24:45
  America at the time. Isn't that, like, fascinating to
• 1:24:48
  know? Yeah.
• 1:24:48
  Like the kind of the systems that you're kind of like stuck
• 1:24:54
  in, like this kind of. Eh, this.
• 1:24:56
  This perpetual poverty and like eh lawlessness to be like to be
• 1:25:06
  in your it's a different society.
• 1:25:08
  She's not even like part of like because there's businessmen at
• 1:25:11
  this time like getting open going to work.
• 1:25:14
  They've got cases they're coming back to their 2.4 children as
• 1:25:17
  she's yeah, you know, white picket fence like like they've
• 1:25:21
  got apple like she's a. She's in a different A.
• 1:25:24
  Different kind of society. Yeah, it's it's a totally
• 1:25:28
  different like America is kind of like there's this do can't do
• 1:25:32
  ducotomy like this just duality of America where like it's it's
• 1:25:36
  like you've got the one side of like people who are straight
• 1:25:40
  less they're doing up their ties.
• 1:25:41
  They're godly people, as you say.
• 1:25:43
  Why pick a fence? Yeah.
• 1:25:44
  And then just down the street, there's these people who are
• 1:25:47
  like, I need somewhere to stay for the night, so I might as
• 1:25:50
  well fucking get caught by the cops, Yeah.
• 1:25:54
  And then just punch somebody back on the street.
• 1:25:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly like just like solicit
• 1:25:59
  to. This police officer now so I can
• 1:26:01
  stay the night in the jail. Yeah.
• 1:26:02
  And then I'll. I'll be let out in the morning.
• 1:26:06
  I can shower, brush my teeth, like.
• 1:26:08
  Yeah, I mean like and. I don't know what the statistics
• 1:26:13
  are like these days and but I know a lot into the 80s and 90s
• 1:26:18
  it was like. Super fucking common.
• 1:26:20
  For offenders to be released from prison and then immediately
• 1:26:23
  do something to go back in because they can't acclimatize
• 1:26:26
  to life outside of it. They also they can't deal with
• 1:26:30
  like, say, holding down a job to be able to afford to even be out
• 1:26:33
  there. They don't have the social
• 1:26:35
  skills to be out there. They're miserable.
• 1:26:37
  So they're just like, fuck it, I'll go back in.
• 1:26:41
  I don't know if you watched, did you watch Oz?
• 1:26:44
  Oh, Oz Fantastic. A precursor to.
• 1:26:48
  All those great HBO shows. Let's talk about Oz.
• 1:26:52
  It's incredible. It's such a good show.
• 1:26:54
  But basically I. Think it's it's not, Is it the
• 1:26:57
  poet? Yeah.
• 1:26:58
  The poet gets out and it's, it's really weird because the poet,
• 1:27:03
  if you haven't seen Oz, it's a fucking incredible show.
• 1:27:05
  It's just basically set in a men's present called Oz.
• 1:27:09
  And there is at the start, it's a HBO show.
• 1:27:11
  At the start of every episode or throughout the episode, there is
• 1:27:14
  a narrator called the Poet. And it's just a a single poem
• 1:27:19
  that runs over every episode and he gets released.
• 1:27:25
  Yeah. And he gets released.
• 1:27:28
  Good actor. And for for the for like.
• 1:27:31
  I think there's. Like a three or maybe 2.
• 1:27:33
  Three episodes where there is no narration because obviously the
• 1:27:37
  the poet gets out and it's fucking incredible.
• 1:27:40
  And then he just he can't handle life outside, so he just shoots
• 1:27:43
  somebody and then goes back in. But it's so fucking it's it's
• 1:27:49
  such a good show. If you haven't watched it, the
• 1:27:52
  guy Agamemnon who was an. Old dude who was getting
• 1:27:55
  released. Yeah, he tries to stab his best
• 1:28:00
  friend in prison because he doesn't want to get released.
• 1:28:02
  So he has. He gets screwdriver.
• 1:28:04
  Yeah. Yeah, I just.
• 1:28:06
  I used to love. Ryan.
• 1:28:07
  O'Reilly. O'Reilly and Cyril, I was only
• 1:28:11
  actually thinking about that the other earlier she let me.
• 1:28:14
  Fucking weird. Yeah, the.
• 1:28:18
  The. Weird the.
• 1:28:19
  Season where they did. The whole the aging drug thing.
• 1:28:23
  So there was like a plot where the idea was there was a drug
• 1:28:27
  that you could take in prison that would reduce your prison
• 1:28:30
  sentence, but the drug aged you to the age you would be when you
• 1:28:35
  were getting out of prison, if that makes sense.
• 1:28:38
  It took a weird little sci-fi turn in the last fucking second
• 1:28:42
  to last season, but yeah, it's it's definitely it's definitely
• 1:28:46
  worth a watch. If you haven't watched it.
• 1:28:48
  It's it's so fucking good. And then you've got like, oh,
• 1:28:50
  also ties back into it. The guy who plays Tobias Beecher
• 1:28:54
  was also in monster The I mean, we're no story.
• 1:28:58
  He was one of the Johns that she killed one of the first guys.
• 1:29:01
  Fuck yeah, Very good. Nice.
• 1:29:04
  Little. Nice.
• 1:29:05
  Little. Roundabout.
• 1:29:07
  There again add a BC. What a guy.
• 1:29:13
  Had a BC in his little fucking hat.
• 1:29:16
  I loved Yeah. So much.
• 1:29:19
  Why you love fucking? Like.
• 1:29:20
  Keller. Oh my God, when Keller came into
• 1:29:23
  it, you just love to hate Keller.
• 1:29:24
  Yeah, Keller is. What's the name of him?
• 1:29:26
  What show was he? He's on CSI, right?
• 1:29:28
  Is it CSI? Yeah, he was in one order.
• 1:29:31
  I don't one of them. Yeah.
• 1:29:32
  It was a law and. Order I think he was eh, but he
• 1:29:35
  he got his own. TV show called Happy, wasn't it?
• 1:29:39
  Yeah. He's fucking great.
• 1:29:41
  He's so good. So beat.
• 1:29:42
  There and then. Fucking like.
• 1:29:45
  JK. Simmons Fucking Schillinger.
• 1:29:48
  Yes, Simmons. Is so amazing character.
• 1:29:51
  Let's all go. Let's let's turn.
• 1:29:53
  This into an Oz. Podcast Let's do an Oz.
• 1:29:55
  Podcast This is an odd cast Oz cast.
• 1:29:59
  But here's me thinking that we're.
• 1:30:01
  Going to. Keep this.
• 1:30:02
  On. On track and then you have.
• 1:30:03
  To go and mention one of my favorite TV shows as well, but
• 1:30:07
  so I I just want to go a little bit into.
• 1:30:09
  To Beecher for a second, because.
• 1:30:10
  Beecher's character. I was I he was my favorite
• 1:30:13
  character in the whole show. And basically he goes in, he's a
• 1:30:17
  lawyer, he has a drinking problem.
• 1:30:19
  He hits a kid driving home from the office one night after
• 1:30:22
  getting too drunk is a fucking nervous wreck.
• 1:30:25
  A little bitch gets raped by Nazis.
• 1:30:27
  Like literally. I'm not just saying that he he
• 1:30:29
  does. He's made a bitch for the first
• 1:30:32
  the entire season, loses his fucking mind in the last
• 1:30:39
  episode, and then it's just a fucking psychopath for the rest
• 1:30:44
  of the series. And he's incredible.
• 1:30:46
  He's the best. He's just so fucking good.
• 1:30:49
  He was my favorite character, him and O'Reilly, because
• 1:30:51
  O'Reilly was just a little fucking snake who's up
• 1:30:53
  everyone's hole anyway. Fucking hell, right?
• 1:30:55
  Let's go back to this. So for the armed robbery that
• 1:30:59
  she did. She.
• 1:31:01
  Was arrested. And ends up doing a year in
• 1:31:04
  prison. And then after she gets
• 1:31:07
  released, she's arrested again for forging checks at a bank in
• 1:31:13
  Key West. And from then onwards, she's
• 1:31:16
  just constantly in trouble with the law for, like, stealing
• 1:31:19
  cars, obstruction of justice, resisting arrest, firearms
• 1:31:27
  possession and robbery. Yeah.
• 1:31:31
  So January of 1986, Alien ends up meeting a woman named Ty
• 1:31:36
  Moore right now. So I've got my beef with Ty, but
• 1:31:40
  we'll get into that, I think. I think we've all got our beef
• 1:31:44
  with Ty. Oh Ty is a fucking cunt.
• 1:31:49
  So. I should before I get into it
• 1:31:54
  I'll say one thing. I was booked in and it got
• 1:31:56
  cancelled because of COVID. I was booked in to get an alien
• 1:31:58
  Warnos tattoo. What portrait of her with
• 1:32:03
  flowers? And.
• 1:32:05
  Yeah, anyway, I'll get into it. I'll get into it.
• 1:32:07
  I love, I actually love her. But anyway, go on.
• 1:32:09
  So. Oh, OK, basically, yeah, I'll
• 1:32:13
  tell you. I'll tell you all about.
• 1:32:14
  It I understand the take. But yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:17
  We can get into it later. I was gonna get her on my thigh
• 1:32:21
  like a big portrait of alien, Ware knows.
• 1:32:22
  You imagine me getting fucking cracked and a guy just takes my
• 1:32:26
  pants off. It's just alien Ware nose with
• 1:32:28
  the fucking the cuffs by her neck.
• 1:32:31
  Just like my girl I was going to.
• 1:32:39
  I was looking for that on my thigh and then on the backs of
• 1:32:42
  my calves. I was going to have Dolly Parton
• 1:32:44
  on one calf and then a wire on the other, like a yin and Yang
• 1:32:47
  kind of, And I have Anna. Nicole Smith.
• 1:32:53
  Already so. All right, so she meets Thai big
• 1:32:59
  fucking Kunti. Thai.
• 1:33:00
  Thai more like. Die.
• 1:33:03
  She meets her at a gay bar in Daytona Beach.
• 1:33:07
  I know the two hit it off. Alien was like.
• 1:33:12
  So she was pretty standoffish when it came to relationships.
• 1:33:15
  Like which completely. Fucking understandably.
• 1:33:19
  And then this is what Ty had said in like loads of
• 1:33:23
  interviews. But like, knowing what we know
• 1:33:25
  now and her upbringing, it's not.
• 1:33:27
  You can't really blame her for being like that.
• 1:33:30
  And Eileen said that Tyra, so her name was Tyra.
• 1:33:34
  Tyra Moore. Ty for short instant connection
• 1:33:40
  and she kind. Of just felt like she was the
• 1:33:42
  lover of her life. Straight away she felt safe.
• 1:33:44
  She trusted her wrong move and would do anything for her.
• 1:33:49
  So like, yeah whatever. So the two together, the
• 1:33:54
  relationship moved pretty quickly.
• 1:33:56
  Ty was working as a maid in a hotel and then Aileen.
• 1:34:00
  She would support them financially by doing all her sex
• 1:34:04
  work and stuff and they would stay in like different motels
• 1:34:08
  and stuff every night. So she really wanted to provide
• 1:34:14
  for Ty, even though Ty had a fucking full time job.
• 1:34:20
  Aileen was going out and hooking and.
• 1:34:22
  Stealing and doing whatever. She could for them to stay in
• 1:34:25
  like with a fucking roof over their head.
• 1:34:27
  Ty wasn't doing anything. I hate Ty man and I was like Ty
• 1:34:33
  was. Very.
• 1:34:34
  Much a a consumer. Yeah, she she was living a
• 1:34:40
  lifestyle where she was letting alien, or as she called her,
• 1:34:44
  Lee. So it was, it was Lee and Ty, Ty
• 1:34:46
  and Lee and then this. It was kind of a weird.
• 1:34:52
  Dynamic that like. Tie was letting Alien pay for
• 1:34:57
  everything, but then was also kind of pressuring her to get
• 1:35:02
  more money because Tie was, yeah, she definitely had a
• 1:35:05
  drinking problem. And they were talking about how
• 1:35:09
  she could easily spend $200 a week.
• 1:35:14
  Parents, we're still sending Thai money.
• 1:35:17
  She was still close. With her parents as well and she
• 1:35:20
  had a full time job. There she was.
• 1:35:22
  Her parents sent her away and got her set.
• 1:35:25
  Up because of this you know they thought she needed to be
• 1:35:29
  straightened out because she was gay and they were like yeah
• 1:35:32
  we're we're sending you away but we're still going to look out
• 1:35:36
  for you sort of like yeah yeah yeah so it's crazy like.
• 1:35:40
  So she she was getting. Money from her parents and.
• 1:35:43
  She had a job. And she was still kind of
• 1:35:46
  leaning on Alien to like Provide, which is selfish bitch,
• 1:35:52
  selfish bitch, horrible person. And like in the movie if.
• 1:35:57
  You watch the movie as well with Christina Ricci.
• 1:35:58
  She's made out to be this like little fucking meek, innocent
• 1:36:02
  fucking like. Like she just got you got mixed
• 1:36:06
  in with the wrong. Crowd like you know.
• 1:36:08
  Aliens. Bad news, Eileen did everything
• 1:36:11
  for this woman and would do anything for this fucking woman.
• 1:36:15
  But anyway, so she would basically take care of Ty.
• 1:36:21
  At. This time then, Eileen still
• 1:36:23
  loved getting into her bar fights and everything.
• 1:36:25
  She was in and out of court for different assaults.
• 1:36:29
  And then Ty would always be the one that would be conveniently
• 1:36:32
  like the witness at the bar. They would pretend that they
• 1:36:35
  didn't know each other. And then she'd be called as a
• 1:36:37
  witness. And obviously it would always go
• 1:36:39
  in like Aileen's favor, like, oh, yeah, no, it wasn't a didn't
• 1:36:42
  do anything. It was this other person who
• 1:36:43
  started it when it more often than not was probably Aileen.
• 1:36:49
  So they were kind of like a team, you know, which is kind of
• 1:36:52
  the only time she ever was kind of there for Aileen.
• 1:36:56
  A real kind of Bonnie and Bonnie situation at this stage.
• 1:36:58
  Like. Where?
• 1:36:59
  Where they? They had like, I think Ty enjoys
• 1:37:02
  this relationship that they had. Like I've look at my woman going
• 1:37:08
  out there and fighting for me or you know, like, you know, she
• 1:37:11
  saw she writes, she she this might be politically incorrect,
• 1:37:17
  but like to look at Ty. She seemed a bit bold a key, but
• 1:37:21
  she was definitely like she had fame, you know, like
• 1:37:27
  personality. I think.
• 1:37:28
  I think Aileen behaved. More.
• 1:37:31
  Masculine, yeah, but Ty, definitely.
• 1:37:36
  Was was the fame? In the relationship, even though
• 1:37:39
  she did look more masculine than Aileen did right, she present
• 1:37:42
  she presented a little masculine, but like she.
• 1:37:45
  Definitely was. She liked being looked after and
• 1:37:49
  she liked being babied, pampered and Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:53
  And like I mean like under things and.
• 1:37:55
  It it does it. Is all kind of it does
• 1:37:57
  corroborate with the story and stuff that like Aileen would
• 1:38:02
  give later on because. For the longest time.
• 1:38:03
  Like when Aileen went into prison, she wouldn't say or hear
• 1:38:07
  a bad word against Ty. She was very much just like, no,
• 1:38:10
  that's the love of my life. She did nothing wrong.
• 1:38:13
  But it got to a point where they were.
• 1:38:16
  Staying say they were. Staying in.
• 1:38:17
  Some Hotel Ty didn't like that. Hotel Ty wants to say somewhere
• 1:38:21
  else aliens like well this is all the fucking money that I
• 1:38:24
  have right now we're going to have to stay here go out and get
• 1:38:27
  more money go take a job right now and we can that was the
• 1:38:31
  thing it was it was that goal get us more money was.
• 1:38:34
  Very kind of, I don't know if it was manipulative, but she was
• 1:38:41
  definitely very. You should be demanding.
• 1:38:45
  Yeah, yeah. Like she was like, well, why
• 1:38:46
  can't like it's? Easy for you to go get money.
• 1:38:50
  Yeah, so go, go get us some money.
• 1:38:53
  I think a. Lot of that, like she was under
• 1:38:55
  constant. Pressure from this woman who
• 1:38:57
  she. Was obsessed with, she was so in
• 1:38:58
  love with. Yeah, yeah, she, she probably
• 1:39:00
  was making regular money from fucking, you know.
• 1:39:02
  Hooking and stuff. Like that, but it probably got
• 1:39:05
  to a point of panic where she's just like, I'm just.
• 1:39:07
  Going to have to fucking. Rob these men straight up to get
• 1:39:10
  this money because what the fuck else am I going to do?
• 1:39:13
  And a lot of it was like even they would leave different
• 1:39:16
  fucking motels, hotels in the middle of the night because Ty
• 1:39:18
  wasn't happy with the room. And then it would be fine.
• 1:39:22
  I'll, I'll take the car, I'll go and I'll fucking, I'll go stand
• 1:39:25
  on the street for a bit. I'll go get us more money.
• 1:39:27
  We can upgrade a little bit. We can go somewhere with a
• 1:39:28
  fucking ice machine. It was that kind of thing.
• 1:39:31
  And then while Aileen was out working to bring in this money
• 1:39:36
  that like they didn't need, Ty was just a fucking brat.
• 1:39:40
  She was out in gay clubs, hooking up with other women, the
• 1:39:43
  entire. Time because she.
• 1:39:44
  Had just kind of come out at this point and she was like
• 1:39:48
  exploring who she was and what, which is fucking fine.
• 1:39:51
  But like if you're out there demanding things of your current
• 1:39:54
  girlfriend, your fucking partner, and you're like, no, I
• 1:39:58
  don't want to stay there. Let's stay here.
• 1:39:59
  And then while she's gone to go and get that money for you to
• 1:40:02
  stay somewhere that you want to stay and you're out there
• 1:40:05
  fucking Finger and other girls in fucking clubs like.
• 1:40:11
  You're a fucking piece of shit. She's a piece of shit.
• 1:40:13
  And apparently she did. Really well with other.
• 1:40:14
  Women as well. She did really well in the gay
• 1:40:16
  scene. So anyway, in fairness, like
• 1:40:20
  she, she had manipulated Alien. To.
• 1:40:22
  A point where, like she was obsessed with her.
• 1:40:24
  Yeah, she won't have had this golden vagina.
• 1:40:27
  I, I don't know what way it goes, but had to have.
• 1:40:31
  And so, yeah. Basically she she would kind of
• 1:40:36
  cover for. With all of these crimes and
• 1:40:39
  stuff. And then This is why I we'll get
• 1:40:42
  into that, but I'll, I'll, I'll come back to it in the end.
• 1:40:43
  I don't want to swear. So 1989, all this is going on.
• 1:40:47
  She's basically just, she hasn't killed anyone yet at this point
• 1:40:51
  that we know of. She is just hooking over time,
• 1:40:56
  maybe robbing people, maybe robbing establishments to try
• 1:41:00
  and get the money to keep Ty happy, which again, if you go
• 1:41:04
  from like living in the fucking woods and cars, you're going to
• 1:41:07
  be fine. Like you're not going to be
• 1:41:09
  fussy. You're getting yourself arrested
• 1:41:12
  to be next to a toilet. You're not going to be fussy
• 1:41:15
  about you know, where you're staying, whatever.
• 1:41:18
  So it was all to keep Tai happy. Exactly.
• 1:41:20
  She wasn't the man in the good life.
• 1:41:21
  It was. It was obviously.
• 1:41:22
  Tai who wanted this? Like yeah, exactly.
• 1:41:28
  Before I get into it. Justy you're going to need to
• 1:41:30
  scat because my laptop is dying and I have to plug it in.
• 1:41:34
  Give me a second. Okie dokie what the hell is
• 1:41:37
  this? Tell a joke.
• 1:41:39
  I don't know, Tell a joke? Tell a joke.
• 1:41:42
  What did? What?
• 1:41:45
  What did the What did the big giraffe say to the little
• 1:41:48
  giraffe? Because.
• 1:41:56
  Because that's how giraffe. That's I don't think they do,
• 1:42:01
  eh, well, Danny. I.
• 1:42:04
  I I just ask you to go and talk to a giraffe and see what he
• 1:42:07
  says, eh? Because that's what I actually I
• 1:42:12
  we went to Folly Farm. Before me and Matt, right?
• 1:42:16
  And it was raining. So the giraffes, giraffes we're
• 1:42:21
  in Dirac. They were like inside in like
• 1:42:24
  the little, no, it wasn't closed off, but they're they were
• 1:42:27
  standing inside. And then there was like a sand
• 1:42:29
  pit attached to it, but you could go in and one of them like
• 1:42:33
  walked right up to the gate and he hung his entire head over the
• 1:42:36
  gate and then just put his tongue on my head.
• 1:42:40
  I was like sent the video to my mom.
• 1:42:42
  And she was like, this is she loves, she loved giraffes.
• 1:42:45
  And then Matt was like, I am never kissing you again.
• 1:42:47
  And he never did, because we broke up pretty soon after that.
• 1:42:50
  Umm, thanks Giraffe. Giraffe.
• 1:42:55
  I'm glad you're fucking. Tall down.
• 1:43:00
  Big fucking what? Was the name of that place of
• 1:43:03
  the giraffe? Millions of Jeffries all.
• 1:43:05
  Under 1. Roof.
• 1:43:06
  And it's called toys. R Us Toys-R-Us, Toys-R-Us.
• 1:43:10
  I'm in a very jingly mood today, I think.
• 1:43:13
  You. Are you love Jingle?
• 1:43:16
  But we had like a, we had a toys.
• 1:43:17
  R Us in Westford that. Was no Toys-R-Us wasn't the
• 1:43:19
  draft. It was the dog, wasn't it?
• 1:43:21
  No toys It no time Master was the dog.
• 1:43:24
  Oh. Time, master, is the dog all
• 1:43:26
  right? OK, Anyway, I'm back.
• 1:43:28
  A. Master didn't have a didn't.
• 1:43:31
  Have. A phone Jingle that I I did not
• 1:43:35
  that I can fucking. Think of any.
• 1:43:36
  As. If if you're listening to this,
• 1:43:40
  which I know you're not and you can remember the time Master
• 1:43:44
  Jingles rude rude to who? I don't think it the only.
• 1:43:49
  People that are. Listening to this are me, you,
• 1:43:51
  Alex and fucking one brand new woman on the Internet.
• 1:43:56
  Anyway, so we left. Off on basically Eileen was
• 1:44:01
  doing doing the most to keep this little fucking dike of hers
• 1:44:06
  happy and she just never was She just never was.
• 1:44:10
  She came from a rich family, decided to wear flannel and
• 1:44:12
  then, you know, she was different.
• 1:44:15
  So 1989, that's when. Eileen.
• 1:44:18
  Would. Go on to murder 7 men so she.
• 1:44:23
  It could be more, we don't know, but the official.
• 1:44:26
  Number is. Seven in a 12 month span these
• 1:44:33
  Yeah. So I feel like, yeah, I
• 1:44:36
  definitely feel like she did more but so.
• 1:44:38
  I'm going to leave the. Names of the victims out because
• 1:44:41
  I can't find them first victim. Was Richard something or
• 1:44:49
  another? A 51 year old guy?
• 1:44:52
  Yeah, he was he. Was a he worked?
• 1:44:55
  He's not he. Owned an electronic store in.
• 1:44:58
  Clearwater, FL Yeah. So she, she killed, she she
• 1:45:04
  killed. Sorry.
• 1:45:05
  She killed him and. She killed him at the end of
• 1:45:10
  November in 1989. His body wasn't found until.
• 1:45:18
  December 13th. He was found in a wooded area
• 1:45:22
  which was several miles away from Clearwater.
• 1:45:25
  They He had been shot several times, and there were two.
• 1:45:30
  Bullets that were found in. His left lung and those were the
• 1:45:33
  cause of his death. I'll mention that because it
• 1:45:38
  does kind of like it ties. Into the story, but this.
• 1:45:41
  Victim was a convicted rapist already.
• 1:45:47
  Who? Alien claimed to have killed.
• 1:45:49
  In. Self-defense.
• 1:45:50
  So this was the first man that she had killed that we know of.
• 1:45:58
  So she would go on to say. That she was.
• 1:46:00
  Just doing her. Sex work, do you?
• 1:46:01
  Know what I mean? He would have been a client of
• 1:46:04
  hers. I think they'd met a couple
• 1:46:06
  times. On this occasion, they were
• 1:46:08
  alone together, and that's when he tried to strangle her and
• 1:46:11
  rape her. So she went on to kill him
• 1:46:13
  later. Yeah, she wanted to kill him
• 1:46:17
  later on in court. Then she would be tried for that
• 1:46:19
  one. It was brought up that he was
• 1:46:23
  actually a convicted rapist during the hearing, yeah.
• 1:46:28
  It wasn't it. No, it wasn't brought up even
• 1:46:32
  the end of it yes so so this while while she.
• 1:46:35
  Was being this is. This is the fascinating thing
• 1:46:37
  about this. So this first trial with this
• 1:46:40
  Richard guy, he eh, he was pictured are like kind.
• 1:46:45
  Of presented. To the to the jury and to the
• 1:46:48
  judge as this kind of businessman who was, you know, a
• 1:46:54
  kind of a sound, upstanding member of society who owns his
• 1:47:00
  his own store and his only kind of the the only bad thing he's
• 1:47:08
  ever done was go out and look for sex off of this woman this
• 1:47:13
  one night, this this, this chance night.
• 1:47:16
  But the truth about him is that he had been convicted of rape
• 1:47:25
  and he had gone. He had undergone A psychiatric
• 1:47:30
  testing that showed that he had a psychopathic tendencies.
• 1:47:34
  So he was basically a psychopath.
• 1:47:37
  And even the people around him said that the reason why he
• 1:47:40
  wasn't found for so long or he wasn't even looked at for so
• 1:47:44
  long is because he was the kind of person who would go and just
• 1:47:49
  leave and go on drinking and Huron binges where like, he just
• 1:47:54
  go like people. People weren't like, oh, he's at
• 1:47:59
  a shot in the shop. If his shop was closed for two
• 1:48:01
  weeks, people were just like, oh, he's off on a binge because
• 1:48:03
  this is what he does. Yeah.
• 1:48:05
  So like this kind of, it was presented that she was this kind
• 1:48:09
  of monster who killed him in cold blood.
• 1:48:11
  And her defense was that she was a basically eh he was just
• 1:48:18
  another John that she was picking up but he got violent
• 1:48:22
  and she goes into great detail about how he actually where
• 1:48:27
  robed. I think it was later fluid on
• 1:48:30
  her, eh, genitals and her anus and it's, it's fascinating to
• 1:48:36
  see because like for anyone who is listening, if you are
• 1:48:38
  listening to this and this does pique your interest.
• 1:48:41
  The if if you look into the like the court footage of this where
• 1:48:46
  it's like there's, we have video footage.
• 1:48:48
  It's one of the, uh, the, the first times because we, this is
• 1:48:52
  in and around the just before like OJ and things like that
• 1:48:56
  where, uh, mm, hmm, sorry, no, it's not before OJ.
• 1:49:00
  It's. It's kind of in and around.
• 1:49:02
  The same time, like the early 90s to this kind of yeah, 1990
• 1:49:06
  is when his body. Was found basically essentially.
• 1:49:09
  Yeah, that that was. But like I'm talking about when
• 1:49:11
  she was actually like. When she was caught and
• 1:49:13
  convicted was later or like, but like it was around the time when
• 1:49:16
  did we had the first instances of the 24 hour news cycle, eh,
• 1:49:22
  or like, sorry, 24 hour news, not 24 hour news cycle.
• 1:49:25
  Whereas like they needed content to to fill and to justify having
• 1:49:30
  like TV channels that were 24 hour news because like, yeah, a
• 1:49:34
  lot of crime happened in America, but like not the
• 1:49:37
  interests and stuff that key people kind of piqued.
• 1:49:40
  Yeah when you have when you have someone like A and and alien who
• 1:49:45
  eh comes along and she's the first female serial killer in
• 1:49:51
  America, This is massive news. So every camera is in her face.
• 1:49:55
  So what we're getting now is a documented case of someone in
• 1:49:59
  the courts pleading their case and we're getting to see the
• 1:50:02
  whole thing. And I think if anyone is
• 1:50:04
  interested in any of this kind of stuff have you would have
• 1:50:08
  like just watch it. There's two documentaries.
• 1:50:12
  And the selling? Of a serial killer and I forget
• 1:50:15
  what the other the other one that was like Aileen were not
• 1:50:19
  revisited or something like that.
• 1:50:21
  But yeah, I think that's what's called, yeah.
• 1:50:23
  But there's, there's some, it's. Just.
• 1:50:26
  It's. Fascinating to see like so she's
• 1:50:29
  she actually is is sitting there and she's explaining what
• 1:50:33
  happened to her and or in her words, what happened to her.
• 1:50:38
  And it was like that he graphically sexually assaulted
• 1:50:43
  her. He raped her.
• 1:50:44
  And what she had done, like she shot him with this 22 a bunch of
• 1:50:49
  times because it was self-defense and she was he.
• 1:50:55
  He was. Getting sexually?
• 1:50:56
  Aggressive with her so he was on something as well that he.
• 1:51:01
  Just what it wasn't. Pulling him down.
• 1:51:03
  So apparently, but this is again, this is something.
• 1:51:07
  That I would. Believe this account.
• 1:51:09
  I think this was the first time that it happened.
• 1:51:11
  She said that it was the first time that fucking scared her and
• 1:51:14
  freaked her out because it was the first time doing the job.
• 1:51:17
  She said, I mean, she's convicted at this point.
• 1:51:19
  She has no reason to lie about it.
• 1:51:21
  And it was, it was the first time that she ever felt her life
• 1:51:24
  was in danger and that she couldn't handle herself in that
• 1:51:26
  moment and it was a panic and apparently she lost her fucking
• 1:51:29
  mind about it. She felt awful about it and
• 1:51:31
  whatever, but yeah, like that, that wasn't really fucking a
• 1:51:35
  really. Rough one.
• 1:51:37
  For her, like the whole fucking thing is rough.
• 1:51:39
  But like, yeah, I didn't know what the lighter fluid thing, I
• 1:51:43
  just knew that he got particularly violent and
• 1:51:46
  disgusting and she didn't think she was going to make it out
• 1:51:48
  with that interaction. Well, this is what, Yeah, what
• 1:51:51
  she was saying was he was doing things.
• 1:51:53
  To her, that was eh. To maximize the pain for her,
• 1:51:59
  yes, basically she she said he. He.
• 1:52:03
  Said that she was going to die that night like that, this was
• 1:52:05
  going to be the end of her and that's why.
• 1:52:07
  So I was in self-defense that she killed this guy.
• 1:52:12
  Funnily enough, Beecher. From Oz plays this character in
• 1:52:17
  the movie, he's like the first guy that she she shoots and
• 1:52:20
  kills and is just kind of freaks out about.
• 1:52:24
  So yeah, that was the first victim.
• 1:52:25
  And then on June the 1st, 1990, so like 6 months later, the body
• 1:52:31
  of a 47 year old man was found along the Route 19 in Citrus
• 1:52:35
  County, Florida. This victim was shot 6 times.
• 1:52:40
  This I think is the no, it's not him.
• 1:52:45
  Sorry, I'll get to him. Not much is known about.
• 1:52:47
  This guy, other than the fact that he was about 40, he worked
• 1:52:51
  part time as a rodeo worker and Aileen ended up shooting him,
• 1:52:57
  yeah, 6 times because it got kind of out of control.
• 1:53:00
  And again, all of her claims with these men were that they
• 1:53:05
  were overpowering her and trying to rape her.
• 1:53:08
  That was. The claim for every.
• 1:53:09
  Single one, which I'm sure happens a fucking lot when you
• 1:53:13
  do that kind of work, like absolutely.
• 1:53:18
  But that that was kind of her her whole thing.
• 1:53:23
  And. He was saying past that was the
• 1:53:27
  second David Spears. Was the second guy.
• 1:53:29
  He was there, the construction. Worker and yeah, he went
• 1:53:34
  missing. I don't think mine.
• 1:53:36
  Are in order. Yeah, well, anyway.
• 1:53:41
  So, yeah, yeah. They're starting to link then
• 1:53:44
  the two. Of them together when they found
• 1:53:46
  out that he was shot and they're linking him to the other guy
• 1:53:51
  that we just talked about, Richard Malan.
• 1:53:54
  I mean, this is he, yeah. Umm.
• 1:53:59
  Other guy then. Found No, I'm not thinking.
• 1:54:01
  Like I wrote these notes. So fucked up, I'm sorry.
• 1:54:04
  And another guy then found in Pasco County, Florida.
• 1:54:07
  This victim was a little different.
• 1:54:08
  He was wrapped in an electric blanket and his body was just
• 1:54:12
  badly like composing. And it was only the heath that
• 1:54:19
  might have been the nice. Guy.
• 1:54:22
  Because I. Think the I don't think the
• 1:54:24
  murder. Was as brutal.
• 1:54:25
  As and she she did wrap him in a blanket whatever.
• 1:54:29
  Anyway, so witnesses ended up coming forward they said that
• 1:54:32
  they saw Aileen in possession of this man's care.
• 1:54:35
  So this is the guy with the electric blanket in Pasco
• 1:54:38
  County. And that's when Aileen, she was
• 1:54:43
  kind of like property on the radar at this point.
• 1:54:45
  So they're looking at her, looking at her background,
• 1:54:47
  whatever, she's done some shit, her and her girlfriend, and
• 1:54:51
  they're constantly like, they're still in Florida, but they're
• 1:54:55
  moving all around the. State they they don't.
• 1:54:57
  Stay in the one spot for too long.
• 1:55:00
  Just different hotels again. Anyone do her sex work in the
• 1:55:04
  night time and she'd make the money to get these hotels while
• 1:55:07
  Thai fucking sat on her big gay ass did nothing.
• 1:55:12
  The problem the the problem here is that that's what's going to
• 1:55:15
  catch up. As.
• 1:55:16
  Well, is that while, yeah, is is committing these murders, she's
• 1:55:21
  robbing these guys, but she's not just taking the cash, she's
• 1:55:24
  taking whatever is like she can pawn from the cars as well, and
• 1:55:29
  she's going to the pawn shop. Yeah, That gets her in trouble,
• 1:55:33
  basically. So.
• 1:55:34
  She's. Going to these pawn shops so and
• 1:55:37
  they what what you. Have to do with that stage in
• 1:55:39
  Florida is give a tomb print with yeah.
• 1:55:44
  So she's using a bunch of aliases, like she has a bunch of
• 1:55:46
  different names, but you, you have to put, you have to give a
• 1:55:49
  tomb print in. So you have to ink your tomb and
• 1:55:52
  put it in while you're you're giving the stuff in.
• 1:55:54
  But like, she's been in prison. She's been in jail.
• 1:55:58
  She's been like, you know, she's been locked up a bunch of times.
• 1:56:00
  So her tomb print? No, she's on the system.
• 1:56:03
  Yeah, yeah, she's on. Record so it like they.
• 1:56:07
  She again, like we say. She's not a criminal mastermind.
• 1:56:09
  This, the fact that she's going around and pawning this stuff
• 1:56:12
  and willingly given up her thumbprint is kind of just show,
• 1:56:16
  Yeah. Like she's not really the kind
• 1:56:19
  of person that is a forward thing.
• 1:56:22
  No, it's not. It's not like.
• 1:56:27
  It's planned. It's not.
• 1:56:28
  Calculated. That's that's the.
• 1:56:30
  Difference here, she's just like, I'll just kill this guy.
• 1:56:33
  There's no thought really behind it.
• 1:56:35
  It's just she's kind of like I'll get into the situation
• 1:56:38
  where I can do this and that's what happened.
• 1:56:40
  So basically she does. This one guy and there was a
• 1:56:47
  gun. In the glove compartment, she
• 1:56:53
  found it stole the car. Ditched the car, but then.
• 1:56:56
  Made the decision to pawn the gun which again registered to
• 1:57:00
  the victim 65 year old merchant Sean.
• 1:57:06
  He devoted with much of his time to Christian outreach and
• 1:57:08
  ministry. So this is the guy that kind of
• 1:57:10
  she regrets. This is Peter.
• 1:57:13
  Peter Abraham seems is aged. 65 merchant seaman in June 1990.
• 1:57:21
  Yes, Sorry. Yeah.
• 1:57:25
  All right. Yeah, so.
• 1:57:25
  This, this is the guy that she's.
• 1:57:26
  Just like it, kind of. Haunts her because I don't think
• 1:57:28
  he actually. Wanted anything from her umm, I
• 1:57:31
  think he wanted to help umm so yeah she didn't keep the gun she
• 1:57:35
  ended up like taking it, pawning it umm I'm not sure this is the
• 1:57:41
  guy that you regret I think it's the second to last guy that she.
• 1:57:44
  Regrets. I think so.
• 1:57:46
  I don't know. Anyway, so I'm not at the.
• 1:57:49
  Point Anyway, so basically she takes this guy's gun, she pawns
• 1:57:52
  it and then she took his car as well the next in the next couple
• 1:57:58
  of nights and her. Entire just driving.
• 1:58:00
  Around in a random fucking neighborhood in Florida and they
• 1:58:04
  wrap this car into a ditch. A couple of neighbors like come
• 1:58:09
  running out of the house and they're just women drivers,
• 1:58:12
  right? They come running out stupid
• 1:58:15
  like just to be like. Oh my God, are you guys OK?
• 1:58:20
  And then they're both like run. Go which is the most fucking
• 1:58:24
  alien got super aggro. She went.
• 1:58:27
  She got super aggro with people. I was like, it's not, it's not
• 1:58:30
  our. Fucking car.
• 1:58:31
  No, fuck. Off.
• 1:58:33
  It's like if you don't, we're fucking face.
• 1:58:35
  Yeah, like, like you. You really don't want.
• 1:58:38
  To be like drawing. Attention to yourself.
• 1:58:40
  But she was out here like being like starting fights with people
• 1:58:42
  who were just out seeing if she was OK.
• 1:58:45
  And that's literally it. Like the all of the witness
• 1:58:48
  accounts are basically. Like.
• 1:58:49
  Yeah, like they fucking the car just careened into a ditch.
• 1:58:52
  We went out to be like, do you guys need help?
• 1:58:55
  And by all accounts, that's all they were trying to do.
• 1:58:58
  No one had even called the police or an ambulance at this
• 1:59:00
  point. They were just like, Oh my God,
• 1:59:02
  are these two women that just drove into a fucking ditch OK?
• 1:59:06
  Like by all accounts, that's all about interaction.
• 1:59:10
  Was and she was just like. Fuck you.
• 1:59:12
  Yeah, my goddamn business. Yeah, just like.
• 1:59:15
  Takes Ty. And just fucking like runs and.
• 1:59:18
  Then Ty is just like wait no I could do with stopping in a nice
• 1:59:22
  fucking. House for some fucking.
• 1:59:24
  Green tea but I hate her anyway so they crash the car.
• 1:59:31
  They. Fucking bail.
• 1:59:34
  They get the vehicle, they recover.
• 1:59:37
  It they find. Like her DNA on the interior of
• 1:59:41
  the door handle, which basically was like made it so easy to find
• 1:59:44
  Eileen. Sadly, though, the last victim,
• 1:59:49
  his body was never found. 50 years old.
• 1:59:52
  Worked as a sausage salesman. Where are where are you?
• 1:59:57
  I'm all over the place. I have.
• 1:59:58
  All of these from fucking like from my last.
• 2:00:01
  Time that I did the pod, the other podcast I have all of
• 2:00:04
  these sausage salesman sausage salesman is.
• 2:00:08
  Under the tree. So like he's she killed 7
• 2:00:12
  people. Like and.
• 2:00:13
  This guy, yeah. There's another one that was
• 2:00:15
  like in the Air Force. Yeah, well, this is the guy.
• 2:00:19
  That's the guy I. Think she regrets this?
• 2:00:21
  Day so the. Sausage let's.
• 2:00:23
  Do the sausage salesman first, which I think is fantastic
• 2:00:26
  because sausage salesman sounds like a euphemism for a Dick
• 2:00:32
  Slinger force. And he was, yeah, he was the one
• 2:00:37
  actually buying some corned beef in the form of curtain.
• 2:00:43
  And well, yeah, he he ended up getting fucking sloged with this
• 2:00:49
  22 as well. And he was shot twice and but he
• 2:00:53
  was shot in the back of the head, which is again, like, like
• 2:00:58
  we say, like if she's claiming self-defense, shooting people in
• 2:01:02
  the back of the head probably isn't the best fucking option.
• 2:01:05
  A decision Like I don't want to get in there.
• 2:01:08
  Yeah. The. 2nd to last.
• 2:01:10
  Guy is the guy you were. Talking about.
• 2:01:12
  Which is Charles Richard Humphries, best known as Dick.
• 2:01:18
  He was aged 56 and he's retired United States Air Force major.
• 2:01:23
  But he was former child abuse investing there, yes.
• 2:01:27
  Exactly. Yeah, and.
• 2:01:28
  Then. Yeah, Chief of police, everybody
• 2:01:32
  like so. He was.
• 2:01:33
  He was. Murdered on September the 11th,
• 2:01:36
  1990 and the worst thing that's ever happened on that date and
• 2:01:42
  but the thing about him was he was found.
• 2:01:45
  Fully. Clothed and he was found in this
• 2:01:48
  county. He was just shot.
• 2:01:48
  So that's this is the one where people were thinking that this
• 2:01:52
  guy was just trying to guess a woman off the street trying to
• 2:01:56
  help her out like. But yeah, again, this is the one
• 2:02:00
  as you were saying, this is the one.
• 2:02:02
  This is the guy that she really regrets because yeah, he was
• 2:02:07
  basically he. Wasn't the?
• 2:02:08
  Same and she again. Like we're saying she did.
• 2:02:10
  She doesn't know how to accept kindness alone or that kind of
• 2:02:15
  thing. They did like a really good job.
• 2:02:19
  Umm of that in the movie. As well umm where he does just
• 2:02:25
  try and do after her like. It's such.
• 2:02:28
  A good movie. Yeah, I.
• 2:02:31
  Remembered it? The guy who plays this?
• 2:02:33
  Character. Plays a kind old man and other
• 2:02:36
  stuff as well. Yeah, I know you're.
• 2:02:39
  I can't think of a. Name but like yeah, I.
• 2:02:41
  Know you mean, but he yeah. So basically he just kind of, I
• 2:02:47
  think he uses the guise. Of wanting sex to.
• 2:02:50
  Pick her up and it's basically just trying to feed her and and
• 2:02:55
  give her food and water and stuff and then just be like,
• 2:02:57
  look, if you need fucking help, there are resources to get you
• 2:02:59
  off the street. I think he'd seen her around a
• 2:03:02
  bunch of times to the point where he's just like all this
• 2:03:07
  poor woman, like. She's pretty fucking Jenna.
• 2:03:09
  Mean she's around all the time, like I see her all the time.
• 2:03:12
  Shouldn't seem to be like she's going through like, obviously
• 2:03:14
  she'd be in like, yeah, yeah. And she'd be in like 1, like a
• 2:03:19
  bunch of fucking. Fights so she was often like
• 2:03:21
  black and blue and he was just like come on, like fucking we
• 2:03:27
  can. Sort this out.
• 2:03:27
  Like you don't have to be like to keep doing this.
• 2:03:30
  Whatever. I think a lot of that was just
• 2:03:35
  genuine, like, and I think she had it in her head right fucking
• 2:03:38
  I'll go with this guy and I'll rob him and I'll shoot him.
• 2:03:40
  And like, she she'd gotten into that habit at that point.
• 2:03:43
  And then I think she just fucking panicked because she was
• 2:03:46
  just like show it being shown kindness was something that so,
• 2:03:49
  so rarely happened to her. I think that freaked her out
• 2:03:52
  more than say, getting attacked with that first man.
• 2:03:55
  I think you know what I mean? Like it was kind of just such a
• 2:03:58
  fucking like foreign thing to her that.
• 2:04:01
  And he was trying to like, yeah, unlikely.
• 2:04:05
  They were trying to as well in the.
• 2:04:06
  In the movie, he's. Just little just take my wallet.
• 2:04:09
  Just take it like we we can go to the bank if you need money.
• 2:04:11
  He's like, I have money, like if you don't want me to help you,
• 2:04:15
  I'll give you the money for you to help yourself.
• 2:04:17
  Like it's not. You know, you don't have to do
• 2:04:20
  this. And I think she just lost her
• 2:04:22
  mind and freaked out that much and that's her only fucking
• 2:04:24
  thing. Like until the day she died, it
• 2:04:25
  was Thai which didn't deserve any fucking second thoughts.
• 2:04:29
  And this, this poor man and her brother and that, that was it.
• 2:04:34
  And I think that was a go on. I was just going to.
• 2:04:40
  Go into her last victim but. If you have.
• 2:04:42
  More to talk about this fucking dude.
• 2:04:44
  I I will let I will. No, no, I was just, I was going
• 2:04:48
  through like just basically her. Her mindset at this point where
• 2:04:52
  it was just kind of, she was so desperate kind of, and it was
• 2:04:57
  anything that was doing this was kind of like, and I guess like,
• 2:05:00
  yeah, he wasn't an amazing person.
• 2:05:03
  He was showing her kindness, but that you could see it as him
• 2:05:07
  standing. In the way of her and.
• 2:05:09
  Ty. Which she I think she had tunnel
• 2:05:11
  vision. Everything was gone.
• 2:05:13
  Out of control. At this stage.
• 2:05:14
  Like, and she was just doing yeah.
• 2:05:16
  Now what she like she's it became a compulsion at this
• 2:05:20
  point to like this is the easy way to make money.
• 2:05:23
  It's it's not just about making. And from all accounts, she was a
• 2:05:30
  cheap hooker. Eh, she she wasn't someone who
• 2:05:35
  eh who? Which again, yeah, like what?
• 2:05:39
  Maybe it talks to kind of like herself esteem as well or
• 2:05:43
  herself worth where she didn't charge a lot for her services,
• 2:05:47
  but so she taught a more lucrative option would be to rob
• 2:05:52
  people and do way to get away with robbing people who are men
• 2:05:56
  who are bigger and eh stronger than you is just shoot them.
• 2:06:00
  Shoot the fuckers. And her last victim was Walter
• 2:06:03
  Gino Antonio, who was age 61. He was a Troker security guard
• 2:06:07
  and a reserve police officer, which he he was found, Yeah.
• 2:06:14
  Basically. His clothes were all kind of
• 2:06:17
  Gonski's. So he was in the trolls of us.
• 2:06:20
  There was no, there was no denying that Like what he was
• 2:06:23
  there for. He was, he was in the midst of
• 2:06:26
  it. And yeah, so like he was, he was
• 2:06:32
  found again there. Was no big.
• 2:06:34
  Kind of. A cover up that he was just
• 2:06:38
  found in his car like dead and again she wasn't great at
• 2:06:43
  covering her tracks so the cops kind of seeing all these murders
• 2:06:48
  happening and they put two and two together that like it wasn't
• 2:06:53
  these guys were found in. Kind of compromising.
• 2:06:55
  Situations that it would have to be a prostitute it has to be
• 2:06:58
  someone that they trusted and obviously has to be someone and
• 2:07:01
  that's when the first England came down as a OK we have a
• 2:07:04
  woman serial killer which is, you know a first for most people
• 2:07:12
  like I don't think actually not yeah I know but like once it's a
• 2:07:18
  first for these guys like I'm. You know.
• 2:07:21
  Yeah, I mean the. Cops are involved in this case.
• 2:07:23
  Like I was just going to say that because it's like the first
• 2:07:27
  the. First documented.
• 2:07:28
  Female serial is belle belle Guinness.
• 2:07:32
  Is it Belle Guinness or gunness like Guinness?
• 2:07:37
  It's one of them, but she. Forensics or that timers.
• 2:07:42
  Body at. Best.
• 2:07:43
  So we'll just, we'll just go with she's the 1st.
• 2:07:48
  One didn't have a kill. Maddox free series and back
• 2:07:50
  then, but again, like you get to a point where like this is.
• 2:07:55
  This. Is on.
• 2:07:56
  TV like and, and like cops are out there saying we're, we're
• 2:08:01
  out here looking for a female serial killer and reported as
• 2:08:04
  just like, what the fuck this is, you know, so strange, so
• 2:08:08
  unusual that like that's what piqued everybody's interest and
• 2:08:12
  that's what made the, the arrests and the trial so kind of
• 2:08:19
  interesting afterwards. So, January 9th, 1990. 1.
• 2:08:26
  Alien would go to a biker bar in.
• 2:08:28
  Florida called the last resort, which is pretty on that.
• 2:08:32
  It's great that she met. She met Ty.
• 2:08:35
  In a gay bar, and I think it was called the Zodiac, which I was
• 2:08:39
  like, Oh yeah, Zodiac killer. Interesting.
• 2:08:43
  And. Then.
• 2:08:44
  When I found out that she got a, she was a the.
• 2:08:50
  Her downfall happened in this bar called the.
• 2:08:52
  Last resort. I was like, what This is?
• 2:08:55
  This is the Hollywood. Yeah.
• 2:08:57
  Lights on at fucking 4:00 AM. Dude, just take.
• 2:09:00
  You can. So we've been there.
• 2:09:06
  We've all been there. Funny though, the last resort.
• 2:09:10
  So basically what happens is. She.
• 2:09:12
  So the got the bartender in the last resort hit.
• 2:09:18
  He was an informant, essentially the cops.
• 2:09:21
  Knew she. Was there contacting like you
• 2:09:23
  have to keep? Her in.
• 2:09:24
  This bar as long as you possibly fucking can.
• 2:09:26
  They sent a detective in to sit with her and drink with her and
• 2:09:32
  basically get her to talk get her to like and these video like
• 2:09:36
  these like tapes are they're online.
• 2:09:38
  You can, you can just literally search them on YouTube and I
• 2:09:42
  forget there was the cops went undercover.
• 2:09:45
  I forget one of them was called. They did because in this dive
• 2:09:49
  bar was a biker bar and everybody had an alias.
• 2:09:52
  But I forget one of the cops is called Bocus and the other was,
• 2:09:57
  yeah, one of the book. Book.
• 2:09:59
  It and Sultan under. Book it and slop or something.
• 2:10:01
  Like that, That was the two. I think slime book it and slop
• 2:10:04
  Yeah sounds like a bad. Name Creative.
• 2:10:09
  Guys, sounds like a sounds like a fucking tag team.
• 2:10:12
  You'd make. In fucking picking bucket and
• 2:10:16
  slime. Fuck off like.
• 2:10:20
  No, we are not police officers. We.
• 2:10:22
  Are bikers here? Book it and slime from room.
• 2:10:28
  So yeah, they they basically like.
• 2:10:31
  It's so sorry. It's so stupid.
• 2:10:34
  I know it's heavy subject material, but.
• 2:10:35
  These cops sound. Like the most though, right?
• 2:10:40
  Like where we are? Is there a camera in the?
• 2:10:45
  Ceiling. No, go back to sleep, Mr. Simply
• 2:10:54
  your. Your hat is buzzing.
• 2:10:59
  Oh Lord, what do I? Do keep.
• 2:11:01
  Gaming what? It means.
• 2:11:04
  Gambling. Keep.
• 2:11:06
  Gambling all righty room. 20. 3:00 on.
• 2:11:09
  Black. But anyway, sweet dreams are
• 2:11:13
  made. Of.
• 2:11:14
  These. I.
• 2:11:16
  Am watching but bucket and slime.
• 2:11:22
  Detective. Bucket and.
• 2:11:24
  Sergeant. Slime.
• 2:11:28
  They they get. Thai first.
• 2:11:36
  And then? Thai, without fucking question,
• 2:11:39
  is like, yeah, I'll tell you where she is.
• 2:11:41
  I'll tell you everything. Like please don't send me down
• 2:11:43
  because she's a fucking scumbag and they're like, all right,
• 2:11:46
  where is she going to be, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:11:49
  But they didn't have her in this.
• 2:11:51
  They have her in this last. Resort.
• 2:11:53
  Dive bar and they had a chance to arrest her, but they said
• 2:11:59
  we'll do it tomorrow. Isn't doing anything.
• 2:12:01
  Well, no, but this isn't they. They could get her.
• 2:12:04
  On like. Because she had a fucking list
• 2:12:07
  of warrants out for her. That warrant included this.
• 2:12:10
  So they could have picked her up at a kind of any stage, but the
• 2:12:12
  guys were trying to get like her to talk and to kind of confess
• 2:12:16
  to this shit or at least catch her.
• 2:12:18
  Yeah, she was chatting. Yeah, she was very chatty,
• 2:12:20
  apparently. They did.
• 2:12:21
  They did. Liquored her.
• 2:12:23
  Up and umm, the the kind of one of the guys who.
• 2:12:28
  Buying her drinks. Online just kept on playing over
• 2:12:30
  a drink and they were. Talking about how like, you
• 2:12:32
  know. Fucking We were looking for a
• 2:12:34
  good time. We can party and like you seem
• 2:12:36
  like you're you're a fun lady. But what happened was there was
• 2:12:40
  a BBQ that night and they said, oh, we didn't want to interfere
• 2:12:46
  with the BBQ. So we who we organized to meet
• 2:12:50
  her again the next day, which to me started like, boy, yeah, you
• 2:12:54
  love hanging out with Alien. I.
• 2:12:57
  I think. I kind of think that the.
• 2:13:00
  Lads are like, let's just make a night out, it's like.
• 2:13:01
  This is. Fucking good like.
• 2:13:06
  Because if. You've listened to.
• 2:13:07
  Any of. The videos.
• 2:13:10
  She's so much fun and they're having fun together.
• 2:13:13
  Like the way they're talking about shit, it's like they
• 2:13:15
  completely forget that they're at work where they're like
• 2:13:17
  they're just shooting the shit. Like she obviously sounds
• 2:13:20
  fucking insane, but like not to an extent where it's like she's
• 2:13:24
  incriminating herself and anything.
• 2:13:26
  She's just genuinely like just fucking mad as a box of hats.
• 2:13:30
  Like she's just a bit like, fucking weird in the meantime,
• 2:13:35
  like, so they'd already gotten to tie ties.
• 2:13:37
  Like, yeah, I'll tell. You anything?
• 2:13:38
  You want to know because she's a fucking hold on, hold on.
• 2:13:40
  Sorry I was let go but I've just as mad.
• 2:13:42
  As a box of hats. What is that?
• 2:13:45
  I knew I said. I don't.
• 2:13:47
  Know I I didn't know. I was like, I, I don't know.
• 2:13:52
  Why? I said.
• 2:13:53
  I was going to say box of frogs. Yeah, that would be the spiders,
• 2:13:58
  and I don't know why, I said. Hats.
• 2:13:59
  That's just mad hat mad. Hatter is that.
• 2:14:01
  The thing is that where it came from.
• 2:14:02
  Maybe something? The hats are mad anyway.
• 2:14:04
  I don't know, I'm sorry. I just.
• 2:14:06
  I couldn't let that go. So yeah, basically.
• 2:14:13
  So a lot. Of people then had said that
• 2:14:15
  well no Ty. 'S whole kind.
• 2:14:17
  Of thing was. Well I had no idea she was
• 2:14:19
  killing people and she absolutely fucking did in my
• 2:14:23
  opinion. It's still never been proven
• 2:14:25
  that she did. No, I think she she, she did
• 2:14:27
  come out later and say that she did know.
• 2:14:30
  That she was so she. Yeah, but she said she knew she
• 2:14:34
  was killed because she she said it one.
• 2:14:36
  Day the 2. Of them are sitting down
• 2:14:37
  watching TV and she casually just said I've something to tell
• 2:14:41
  you OK what is it and she said I kill the man tonight and this is
• 2:14:47
  it and the cops the cops offered Thai immunity if she would guess
• 2:14:53
  a confession from alien which ties it makes me come out look.
• 2:15:01
  Don't get me wrong. Like you might you might glorify
• 2:15:05
  Alien here on the first night, so the.
• 2:15:11
  First time. When it was.
• 2:15:13
  Genuinely. Self-defense, and apparently she
• 2:15:15
  broke down to Tie and was freaking the fuck out.
• 2:15:18
  Partly Eileen. Like she said until the very end
• 2:15:22
  she didn't tell Tie about any of the rest of them, just that one
• 2:15:29
  because she was trying to defend Ty until the very end.
• 2:15:31
  But. Ty fucking knew a lot.
• 2:15:32
  More than she was letting on. And that came out in later
• 2:15:34
  interviews. Yeah, but she, she, she sang
• 2:15:38
  like a fucking. Canary straight away to the cops
• 2:15:41
  and she said I will sell her down the river yeah there's
• 2:15:45
  there's a scene in the movie where so.
• 2:15:48
  Aileen had been obviously jailed for several months pending the
• 2:15:53
  the trial and and it's really fucking sad.
• 2:15:57
  So like aliens like there and she's.
• 2:15:59
  She's in her jumpsuit. She's coughed, she's waiting to
• 2:16:01
  be in. They bring Ty in then for her
• 2:16:03
  interview and alien just that. Her eyes just light up.
• 2:16:06
  She sits up in her chair because this is the first time she's
• 2:16:09
  seen the woman she loves in months and months.
• 2:16:11
  Ty doesn't even fucking look in her direction.
• 2:16:14
  And then she was like, yeah, she's.
• 2:16:16
  Told me she. Did this Isn't that she's
• 2:16:17
  guilty? I'm like, yeah, you just see her
• 2:16:21
  just sink back in the chair. And just deflate.
• 2:16:24
  But then as, like, Ty is leaving the courtroom, she's still
• 2:16:28
  smiling at her. And she's like, yeah, that's
• 2:16:30
  fine, OK, Because she doesn't even look in her direction as
• 2:16:34
  she doesn't even look, Yeah. Off on her at all completely.
• 2:16:38
  Ignores this woman who has ruined her own life.
• 2:16:43
  It's to give. Her the like as well.
• 2:16:45
  To hear. So when?
• 2:16:47
  Tie was getting the confession over.
• 2:16:49
  We can hear these tapes. So again, if anyone is out there
• 2:16:52
  and has an interest in this, you can listen to the actual.
• 2:16:56
  You can listen to the actual tapes where Tie is spinning her
• 2:17:02
  story to Aileen about how the cops are harassing her family
• 2:17:08
  and they're threatening to arrest her and arrest the family
• 2:17:12
  and which they they weren't at all.
• 2:17:15
  Well, they already have made the deal.
• 2:17:16
  With with toy that she was getting.
• 2:17:18
  Immunity, yeah. Confession out of her.
• 2:17:20
  So yeah, she was basically just looking out for her own best
• 2:17:24
  interests. And again, like as you say, a
• 2:17:28
  lot of people she was besotted by.
• 2:17:33
  Like she. Was.
• 2:17:33
  Yeah, she was, but a lot. Of people she was in love.
• 2:17:37
  Yes she was, but like. No, she didn't.
• 2:17:40
  And then a lot. Of the the whole.
• 2:17:41
  Thing is, like the reason that people are like, oh, she's she's
• 2:17:45
  so fucking selfish and awful is because it.
• 2:17:51
  She. Didn't want it to get back to
• 2:17:52
  her family that. She was in an openly fucking.
• 2:17:55
  Gay lesbian relationship that and obviously it's yeah, but it
• 2:18:01
  would have been all I. Think she wanted to sell?
• 2:18:04
  That. As I was being blackmailed into
• 2:18:06
  being with this woman and she went and killed a bunch of
• 2:18:10
  people. She could have killed me.
• 2:18:12
  So I had to stay and that's why I was working as an informant.
• 2:18:16
  And it's just fucking disgusting.
• 2:18:18
  Like I mean like is killing people right now, but like.
• 2:18:22
  At the same fucking. Time you have to look at the
• 2:18:24
  fucking context here where she only started killing people
• 2:18:28
  because Ty wasn't fucking happy with the hotels they were
• 2:18:31
  staying and she wasn't happy with the meals they were
• 2:18:33
  getting. She wasn't happy with the let's
• 2:18:35
  not I blame Ty. Yeah, but let's not wash her
• 2:18:38
  from responsibility. She fucking killed a bunch of
• 2:18:41
  people. And robbed them like she's like
• 2:18:42
  she was. She was a monster, men, not
• 2:18:45
  people. She was Danny.
• 2:18:47
  Danny No. She's a monster.
• 2:18:49
  I'm a man she killed. She killed men.
• 2:18:50
  Not people. If if.
• 2:18:53
  It's Jennifer's Body. It's like you're killing.
• 2:18:55
  People. No.
• 2:18:55
  I'm. Killing boys.
• 2:18:57
  She's Danny. I'm a boy.
• 2:18:58
  Danny, I'm a boy, OK? If.
• 2:19:00
  I was. Found one man who didn't try to
• 2:19:02
  fucking attack her if I was found dead.
• 2:19:04
  Shot a bunch of times tomorrow. By some woman who killed a bunch
• 2:19:09
  of dudes would. Be like.
• 2:19:12
  Only he's only a boy. No, I'd post hashtag.
• 2:19:16
  I believe her. Like they're asking me.
• 2:19:18
  More to the story, no you wouldn't.
• 2:19:20
  You would actually fucking you would.
• 2:19:22
  You would monetize. My death or fucking you would.
• 2:19:25
  You would I fucking would though.
• 2:19:27
  I would. I would be.
• 2:19:28
  I would be. An Alec her I.
• 2:19:30
  Would get up there. With my full face and makeup, my
• 2:19:33
  blonde. Hair I'd be like.
• 2:19:35
  I'm not young man. You'd be harvesting harvesting
• 2:19:38
  Instagram lyrics. Just like fucking.
• 2:19:43
  Like absolutely, I'm just fucking.
• 2:19:46
  Like. Yes, give me your pain.
• 2:19:49
  I'm sorry, I actually paused that I no one feels better for.
• 2:19:52
  This conversation now and I would I would be like any man
• 2:19:57
  around me that dies. Like even when my own father
• 2:20:00
  died I was a bit like sucks. Another man, another man.
• 2:20:08
  What's the You ever see that? The.
• 2:20:12
  The interview with What's this with new Jack the the wrestler
• 2:20:17
  after the OJ thing? There's two more down.
• 2:20:21
  Thank you, OJ. Well.
• 2:20:28
  There is a me. To feel bad for for how do we
• 2:20:32
  get into how do? We get to also the trial.
• 2:20:35
  Itself. So basically she gets she gets
• 2:20:38
  arrested and it gets into the trial.
• 2:20:42
  Then she and she says some bizarre shit at this trial.
• 2:20:47
  She. She.
• 2:20:47
  Does say some bizarre shit, but like she.
• 2:20:50
  Again, she's. Not the most stable of people
• 2:20:53
  and but for me and I think I. Don't know like I think.
• 2:20:59
  This is the well established opinion that the first eh the
• 2:21:04
  the first killing was in self-defense or she was
• 2:21:09
  definitely reacting to his eh aggressive behavior.
• 2:21:13
  This first guy was a wrong and and he was eh.
• 2:21:19
  That I would say a justified killing was the first one.
• 2:21:24
  What? Since?
• 2:21:25
  Yes, absolutely. Since she could.
• 2:21:27
  Since she eh. Killed him.
• 2:21:30
  Was able to get money pawned off the stuff that he had in his
• 2:21:33
  car. Again, he had an electrical, he
• 2:21:35
  had an electrical store. So he had equipment in his car
• 2:21:38
  that she was able to pawn away. And she's seen this was actually
• 2:21:42
  quite lucrative. And then that's where it becomes
• 2:21:47
  whereas now she sees. That.
• 2:21:51
  This again not a big fan of men. She's been abused all her life
• 2:21:55
  by certain men. Most of the the people that she
• 2:21:58
  has interacted in her life are either using her or abusing her
• 2:22:02
  and she now sees every killing of men as justified.
• 2:22:08
  So she did this the first I think.
• 2:22:13
  We can call that a. Justified killing the rest of
• 2:22:16
  them for me. I think she was killing them for
• 2:22:20
  monetary. Obviously she was she she was
• 2:22:23
  going to make money out of. She was robbing them and killing
• 2:22:25
  them to dispose of the body. Yeah, and her defense, sorry, go
• 2:22:30
  on. I don't think she had like.
• 2:22:32
  A. A moral.
• 2:22:34
  Yeah. I don't, I don't think she like
• 2:22:36
  she felt particularly. Bad about it I think.
• 2:22:38
  That one, like I mean, but yeah, not to like to dumb it down or
• 2:22:42
  anything. Because it's murder.
• 2:22:44
  It's. Not it's completely.
• 2:22:45
  Different, but if you go to someone who's cheated once, was
• 2:22:49
  able to make an excuse for themselves on why they cheated,
• 2:22:52
  they will continue to do it again because they can slowly
• 2:22:55
  justify that to themselves to the point where they don't think
• 2:22:58
  that they're doing anything wrong.
• 2:23:00
  Yeah, this is fairly transferable to this situation.
• 2:23:04
  I think you are. Actually, yeah, barely right
• 2:23:07
  with this, that like, like once she got away with it the first
• 2:23:10
  time and then she was able to fight in her head that this guy
• 2:23:13
  was a monster, this guy was a bad guy.
• 2:23:15
  And then when she got to a point where like all of these guys who
• 2:23:20
  are like picking up a woman on the side of the street for sex,
• 2:23:24
  these in her head, she's like, these aren't good guys.
• 2:23:27
  These aren't good men. No, every killing then was just
• 2:23:30
  exactly. But the problem.
• 2:23:33
  You can you you can, sorry. I was just saying that that the
• 2:23:37
  problem was here is that. The evidence was mounting up
• 2:23:42
  like she was shooting guys in the back of the head, She was
• 2:23:44
  getting them into situations where they were vulnerable and
• 2:23:47
  she was killing them. So the evidence on the rest of
• 2:23:51
  these murders were pointing at her being a cold blooded killer
• 2:23:56
  in these situations, whereas her story was that she was, eh,
• 2:24:02
  defending herself in every one of the situations.
• 2:24:04
  And it's just too coincidental that in such a short period of
• 2:24:08
  time, all of these men were, you know, rapists or, or assaulting
• 2:24:13
  her, you know, But I mean, again, like, I'm sure as a sex
• 2:24:17
  worker, you probably, you probably.
• 2:24:18
  Come across. That.
• 2:24:19
  A lot more often than like, you know, people would I, I would
• 2:24:23
  imagine so, yeah, but I gain. To it's just the evidence mounts
• 2:24:28
  up that she was, yeah, she was not defending herself.
• 2:24:32
  She was of, she was offensive. With.
• 2:24:34
  These shots, yeah. And again like to to kind of
• 2:24:38
  reframe it a little bit. Like into something I don't
• 2:24:42
  think like harmless, but whatever.
• 2:24:44
  If you're in a relationship, say.
• 2:24:47
  Right. And you're not?
• 2:24:48
  You guys haven't had sex? In months and months and months
• 2:24:51
  and you go out and you cheat and you're like.
• 2:24:54
  Well, I hadn't had. Sex in months and then you're
• 2:24:57
  still not getting sex. You're like, well, that she
• 2:24:59
  won't have. Sex with me, I love her.
• 2:25:00
  But she won't have sex with me and I need to have sex.
• 2:25:03
  You know what I mean? It's it you can kind of.
• 2:25:06
  Look at it the same fucking way. Where it's just like, well, he's
• 2:25:09
  still just a Mad Men are our souls doesn't really fucking
• 2:25:11
  matter because men are ourselves.
• 2:25:12
  He's just like the rest of them anyway.
• 2:25:14
  He probably would have done if you got a chance anyway.
• 2:25:16
  And that's where her mind was, is that she was like, her brain
• 2:25:19
  was so warped by all of the horrible treatment she's had all
• 2:25:22
  of her fucking life that she was just in her head automatically,
• 2:25:26
  like even picking. Up a John.
• 2:25:28
  That maybe had no fucking intention of anything, just
• 2:25:30
  wanted to have his Dick sucked. He probably would have paid her
• 2:25:32
  and dropped her back off. She was still just like, no,
• 2:25:35
  it's a man that's picking up for sex automatically.
• 2:25:36
  About fucking. Person and then when she was
• 2:25:40
  fully like in her fucking. Like.
• 2:25:42
  Mode TuneIn and she picked up this lovely guy and he was the
• 2:25:47
  exact opposite she freaked the fuck out not to kill him anyway
• 2:25:50
  because she was just like Nope this is where I've gone in my
• 2:25:53
  head right now and you're freaking me out even more and
• 2:25:56
  you're upsetting me because you're not it's not following
• 2:25:58
  the script in my head that I have of these interactions that
• 2:26:02
  I've been able to detach from and it's it's that kind of like
• 2:26:08
  yeah, it's. It's that kind of way.
• 2:26:09
  Where it's just like, I think she.
• 2:26:11
  Did. At that point, start.
• 2:26:12
  To feel really bad and freak out more.
• 2:26:15
  And then I think Ty kind of like hadn't noticed the cracks at
• 2:26:19
  that point because I do think she was just like, I shot this
• 2:26:23
  guy. I shouldn't have shot this
• 2:26:25
  fucking guy like and that's why people are kind of like Kylie
• 2:26:29
  was there living her Bonnie and. Clyde eh fantasy.
• 2:26:33
  And she was also cheating on her.
• 2:26:35
  She was dragging other women. Yeah, like that.
• 2:26:38
  Yeah, but again. Like, like you're not going to
• 2:26:40
  con you. Don't have to convince me to
• 2:26:42
  tell you as a bad person like I I think she's a scumbag, but
• 2:26:45
  like this is what I'm saying. Oh, absolutely, like she's she's
• 2:26:49
  living out this Bonnie and cloudy fantasy and when the
• 2:26:51
  reality hits her that she could get in trouble for this, she
• 2:26:54
  just rolled over straight away. She's an absolute fucking
• 2:26:57
  scumbag. And obviously she didn't go out
• 2:26:59
  and kill anybody, but like she to me should have been fucking
• 2:27:02
  locked up as well. She did.
• 2:27:03
  The cops should have turned around absolutely and said said
• 2:27:06
  surprise, bitch, you're going down as well.
• 2:27:08
  But because she got this immunity for the confessions.
• 2:27:10
  And again, people need to listen to the fucking tapes because
• 2:27:14
  it's fascinating listening to somebody sell out the person who
• 2:27:17
  has been like The Who has been like providing for them.
• 2:27:22
  Yeah, like, yeah, like she was. And so I'll I'll.
• 2:27:28
  I'll go into this now. A little bit now that you.
• 2:27:30
  Say that. So basically when Aileen was put
• 2:27:33
  into prison, she still at this point didn't know.
• 2:27:39
  That Ty. Was an informant.
• 2:27:42
  It got to a point then where there were.
• 2:27:45
  Rumors. Going around about her name,
• 2:27:47
  they let her call Aileen in prison and say, hey, can you
• 2:27:51
  please help me clear my name? The news, the media, everybody
• 2:27:54
  is just out here saying that I did this with you, and we both
• 2:27:58
  know that I didn't. So she's asking Aileen for help.
• 2:28:04
  Three days later. January 16th.
• 2:28:06
  That's when we would get a confession from Aileen to Thai,
• 2:28:12
  Aiden claimed. Aiden claimed that men had tried
• 2:28:15
  to rape her. She killed in self-defense.
• 2:28:19
  It was still a confession, but Ty knew nothing about any of it.
• 2:28:27
  Which is fucking. Mile blowing like.
• 2:28:28
  It's it's it's actually just. Fucking crazy.
• 2:28:30
  And so it's basically, it's being covered everywhere.
• 2:28:33
  That alien is a monster. She had manipulated and lied to.
• 2:28:38
  Ty pulled this poor rich girl through her fucking web of lies
• 2:28:44
  and her messiness and whatever. And she did like a bunch of
• 2:28:48
  fucking interviews where it's weird, right?
• 2:28:53
  Because in some of them. Alien is very.
• 2:28:58
  She's kind of like a bit of a Charles.
• 2:29:00
  Manson character. In my opinion.
• 2:29:02
  Because in some. Interviews she seems really well
• 2:29:05
  spoken and really intelligent and then in others she's just
• 2:29:10
  fucking just away with the fairies like she's.
• 2:29:14
  Literally. And it's.
• 2:29:18
  Like. The interviews were.
• 2:29:20
  One way or the other. But like, yeah, yeah.
• 2:29:24
  And like, you get the ones that like the ones I've watched where
• 2:29:25
  she's so intelligent. And she's.
• 2:29:27
  So just. Fucking like emotionally wearing
• 2:29:28
  switched on and she's like kind and she's nice to the people
• 2:29:31
  interviewing her. She just genuinely seems like
• 2:29:33
  she's in a good space. And then the next one, she's
• 2:29:36
  just like, fucking claiming that she's gonna go fight Jim
• 2:29:40
  Morrison and hell and like. Things like that.
• 2:29:43
  Which is actually a fucking quote from her, by the way.
• 2:29:45
  Well, anyway, weird stuff she has.
• 2:29:49
  She had a. Really good, eh?
• 2:29:51
  Like a fascinating conspiracy theory that I'm not quite sure
• 2:29:57
  eh? Like how how much you would
• 2:30:00
  believe like hers, her version of it is extreme.
• 2:30:03
  But then the actual idea of this and documentary about where's
• 2:30:07
  the selling of a serial killer, it actually goes down the route
• 2:30:10
  of this. But like she said that the cops
• 2:30:14
  knew she was killing people and it let her like I don't know
• 2:30:21
  when she said like after three or four that they already knew
• 2:30:24
  what they'll it would have eh did already sold or did already
• 2:30:29
  made deals that they were going to sell their story to movie eh
• 2:30:35
  eh production companies or to the tabloids or whatever it is
• 2:30:41
  that they were selling the story.
• 2:30:42
  So they let her kill again. Now, I'm not sure how much the
• 2:30:46
  way that one holds, but the truth of the matter is when she
• 2:30:50
  was standing trial, all of these cops that were involved or all
• 2:30:54
  selling their stories and they'd already been involved.
• 2:30:58
  So like the sensationalizing of this story as well.
• 2:31:02
  And while the child was still ongoing, people were selling the
• 2:31:07
  fucking story and made their they were profiting off of her
• 2:31:13
  while and she was there. Ty was taking money for
• 2:31:17
  interviews as. Well, at this time which?
• 2:31:18
  She shouldn't have been allowed to.
• 2:31:19
  Do while she was still in the process of the trial.
• 2:31:22
  Yeah, exactly. While while the trial was going
• 2:31:24
  on, That's that's. Insane to me like Alien, I don't
• 2:31:29
  think he's getting paid. Look where regardless of
• 2:31:32
  whether. You believe in.
• 2:31:34
  The the death penalty or what kind of repercussions Alien
• 2:31:42
  should have got umm, for for this whole thing.
• 2:31:45
  She did kill a bunch of people in cold blood.
• 2:31:48
  Now was it all of them? I don't believe it was all of
• 2:31:52
  them, was it and I don't think was it was it 6 of them?
• 2:31:55
  I do believe it was six of them. And I, I believe she had mental
• 2:32:02
  issues. I I absolutely this one comes
• 2:32:06
  out. To the like.
• 2:32:08
  Eh, do you think that someone who has got severe or eh, even
• 2:32:14
  just like personality disorders and because like it came out
• 2:32:19
  like that she had borderline personality disorder afterwards
• 2:32:22
  and probably a whole yeah of other stuff and a lot of stuff,
• 2:32:26
  yeah. Yeah.
• 2:32:27
  So if you have these disorders, are you then like, is it
• 2:32:31
  justifiable to give you the death sentence for that?
• 2:32:35
  Like, like, like are you the sum of your eh, brain deficiencies
• 2:32:44
  are like, yeah, neurodivergence. Because again, like someone who,
• 2:32:49
  like I, I, I've been recently been diagnosed with, with ADHD
• 2:32:53
  and I, I know all of these kind of behaviors I have in life and
• 2:32:56
  I'm like, oh fuck. Like, eh, now I understand all
• 2:33:00
  these behaviors, but am I those behaviors?
• 2:33:03
  And I don't think I am like, am I, am I the guy who locks
• 2:33:08
  himself in the house because he just can't go on face fucking
• 2:33:11
  world? Or am I the guy who forgets his
• 2:33:13
  kids all the time? No, I'm, I'm, I'm a person who
• 2:33:16
  does those things, but I am not those things now.
• 2:33:20
  Exactly. I'm not I'm not saying that you
• 2:33:22
  should separate her away from serial killing and be like, no,
• 2:33:27
  she's she's not a serial killer. She's a person who serially
• 2:33:30
  kills. Oh, and I get it.
• 2:33:32
  Like, yeah, no, I know what I. Mean, I know I have.
• 2:33:35
  I have. That view, but yeah.
• 2:33:37
  But like. But can can you?
• 2:33:39
  Hold her completely. To the same standard as someone
• 2:33:44
  who is going out and killing for like their enjoyment.
• 2:33:48
  Now again, she was profiting from these deaths.
• 2:33:51
  Did she deserve the death penalty?
• 2:33:52
  Whether it all depends on whether you're like this.
• 2:33:56
  This is the thing. I know you get anything.
• 2:33:59
  Is is. Justified in any signal.
• 2:34:01
  No, I or whatever I I just mean not about.
• 2:34:04
  The death penalty. I just mean like.
• 2:34:06
  You can. Say like, all right, she's.
• 2:34:08
  Profiting off of these deaths. She's putting a fucking motel
• 2:34:11
  roof over her and her fucking dyke girlfriend.
• 2:34:15
  She's not. It's not like she's living it
• 2:34:17
  up. Fucking committing.
• 2:34:18
  Tax fraud. She's.
• 2:34:19
  Not like, do you know? What I mean like you think tax
• 2:34:22
  fraud is murders and everything? You know what I mean?
• 2:34:25
  Like. Tax.
• 2:34:27
  What is in like fucking I don't. Know pretending.
• 2:34:29
  To be rich, I. Don't know what the fuck but
• 2:34:31
  anyway like it's not like she's fucking living the best fucking
• 2:34:35
  life robbing people. She's literally just robbing
• 2:34:38
  people to get from day-to-day and then the like, it's all
• 2:34:42
  again and this is the fucking thing.
• 2:34:44
  This is what? Bugs.
• 2:34:45
  Me about the Thai thing is that Thai was there the entire
• 2:34:48
  fucking time like if she hadn't been out here right just doing
• 2:34:51
  this herself she's just fucking killing John's to get by and
• 2:34:54
  doing whatever that's a different fucking case, but when
• 2:34:57
  she's happy to stay in these hotels that she's getting.
• 2:35:02
  Just from fucking them and leaving.
• 2:35:04
  But then Thai is like, I want this, I want that, I want this.
• 2:35:08
  And that's why she's going out to get more money to keep her
• 2:35:11
  happy. And even the fucking thing,
• 2:35:13
  she's like, they're saying that I was involved in this.
• 2:35:16
  Can you tell them that I'm not, please?
• 2:35:18
  And she's just like, yeah, absolutely this fucking stupid
• 2:35:22
  dyke cunt. It's just they're.
• 2:35:25
  Fucking like high and proud. Like Oh yeah, I got manipulated
• 2:35:28
  into. This sorry it's like well she
• 2:35:30
  could have fucking manipulated you into getting a better
• 2:35:32
  haircut you big Dick cunt like the fucking stadia like sorry
• 2:35:37
  like just fucking like no I just it bugs me so much that she was
• 2:35:41
  just like an informant and then got nothing like not even a slap
• 2:35:44
  on the wrist. She was just let go back to her
• 2:35:46
  fucking rich family. Wherever the fuck is wrong.
• 2:35:49
  It kind of concerns me that you are more.
• 2:35:52
  Angry at toy? I am more angry at Toy and
• 2:35:56
  Aileen. Aileen.
• 2:35:57
  Wouldn't have been killing she. Wouldn't have been killing.
• 2:35:59
  These men. I think I think I didn't.
• 2:36:03
  Want to fucking? Fancy your fucking hotel room
• 2:36:06
  with an ICE? Machine.
• 2:36:07
  Fuck off, Aileen was like, I'm happy to sleep in a car.
• 2:36:10
  In the woods. But this is what my fucking big.
• 2:36:13
  Fucking masculine Princess wants fuck off you go fucking hawk
• 2:36:18
  toy. Just see how.
• 2:36:19
  Many men you can fucking pull and.
• 2:36:21
  Pay for your own fucking ice machine you big Dick cunt.
• 2:36:24
  I'm just no. While I see the merit.
• 2:36:27
  While I see the merit and what? You're saying this is the
• 2:36:29
  problem, Danny? You're not supposed to love the
• 2:36:33
  person who kills people. I do.
• 2:36:36
  I do. I do.
• 2:36:38
  You can see why that's. Concerning.
• 2:36:40
  For me, Danny, that like. Don't care, don't.
• 2:36:43
  We're not supposed to glorifying these feminist.
• 2:36:45
  Icon. Feminist icon Alienware.
• 2:36:48
  Knows feminist. Icon out here doing it doing it
• 2:36:53
  the. Most anyway, let's get.
• 2:36:55
  To the rest of it so we'll. Talk about fucking big Kunti
• 2:36:58
  Tie. And so yeah, you can't fucking.
• 2:37:03
  She's been like. All over the.
• 2:37:04
  Papers, just like Monster is the headline for most fucking
• 2:37:08
  things. Like you said, world's first
• 2:37:11
  fucking serial killer or America's first serial killer.
• 2:37:14
  At least she wasn't. It was Belganess, but all of
• 2:37:18
  this horrible fucking shit. But again, she wasn't really
• 2:37:22
  fucking set up for success, was she?
• 2:37:24
  Let's. Be honest.
• 2:37:26
  So a year later, after she gets arrested, she goes on trial.
• 2:37:32
  She'd have numerous trials from January 1992 to November 1992.
• 2:37:38
  She'd have a trial for each victim in the space in those ten
• 2:37:45
  months and would receive 6 death sentences in court.
• 2:37:53
  Now that's. What I call overplays.
• 2:37:57
  So, yeah, so. Basically.
• 2:37:59
  They were. Able to get.
• 2:38:01
  Tide test. Give me more.
• 2:38:08
  Oh, this is good to hear, a boisterous American laugh.
• 2:38:15
  I'm sorry. That was my.
• 2:38:16
  Fault you had found a new love. Anyway, so yeah.
• 2:38:22
  They were. Able to get Ty to testify
• 2:38:24
  against her, Aileen was very upset.
• 2:38:27
  Obviously that Ty was there being like, yeah.
• 2:38:31
  She did that as. We said not like we've the way
• 2:38:33
  they depict it in the ad nauseam.
• 2:38:35
  We've talked about how much I can't.
• 2:38:36
  Buy is. Let's let's get through this.
• 2:38:38
  We're. Going to full organ.
• 2:38:39
  On this. So yeah, anyone end up sitting
• 2:38:44
  in the Florida State? Prison waiting for her execution
• 2:38:48
  in 2001 there was a petition, petition, petition to the
• 2:38:53
  Florida Supreme Court and she stated her intention to dismiss
• 2:38:56
  her legal counsel and terminate all pending appeals saying I
• 2:39:01
  killed those men I rock them cold as ice and I'd do it again
• 2:39:05
  too. There's no chance of keeping me
• 2:39:07
  alive or anything because I'd kill again.
• 2:39:10
  I have hate crawling through my system.
• 2:39:13
  I'm so sick of hearing that she's crazy stuff.
• 2:39:16
  I've been, I've been exhausted so many times.
• 2:39:20
  I am competent, sane. I'm trying to tell the truth.
• 2:39:24
  I'm one who seriously hates human life and I would kill
• 2:39:28
  again. Those are her, her words word
• 2:39:32
  for word, and we appreciate her honesty.
• 2:39:34
  I didn't know, but I think at that stage she was, she was
• 2:39:37
  sick. Of sitting on that role so like
• 2:39:41
  she was like just fucking kill me.
• 2:39:43
  Like why you keep why did you keep me here for a decade
• 2:39:46
  instead of just she brought in and out trials over those years
• 2:39:49
  as well. Because it didn't mean.
• 2:39:50
  Anything. As we were saying earlier, she
• 2:39:53
  did change her. Her talk about a lot.
• 2:39:56
  Like she was remorseful at one stage.
• 2:39:58
  She, yeah, for years she kept saying she, she kept up to their
• 2:40:03
  pretense that like this was all in self-defense and then.
• 2:40:07
  After a while she was OK, I did kill all those men and there's
• 2:40:11
  nothing that I can do about it now.
• 2:40:13
  And I, I know exactly what I was doing and it was, it was a cold
• 2:40:19
  blooded murder. And and then yeah, in the end
• 2:40:23
  she was like, I have no remorse, just fucking kill me.
• 2:40:26
  Like, yeah, I did. She she was so fucking sick of
• 2:40:30
  it. She'd lost everyone.
• 2:40:31
  And everything that she'd loved at that point, at that point
• 2:40:33
  anyway, like the only fucking shining light that she had was
• 2:40:36
  Ty. And I think, yeah, maybe it took
• 2:40:40
  her quite a few years to realize that Ty never really gave a
• 2:40:44
  fuck. And but, yeah, so she she
• 2:40:47
  basically just wanted, she wanted her way out of there.
• 2:40:50
  But those were her words. Her attorneys would say that she
• 2:40:54
  wasn't mentally competent. And there's no way that she
• 2:40:58
  actually wanted to be sentenced to death.
• 2:41:00
  And so they were like, basically, don't listen to her.
• 2:41:04
  But she insisted she knew what she was doing and a court
• 2:41:07
  appointed panel had a psychiatrist basically assess
• 2:41:13
  her and they agreed that she was saying this is what she wants.
• 2:41:17
  And they were like, yeah, she's she's of sound mind to request
• 2:41:21
  that. And they, they just wanted to do
• 2:41:24
  it. So Aileen is out there saying
• 2:41:26
  like, please kill me. I'm ready to go.
• 2:41:29
  Her execution took place on October 9th.
• 2:41:33
  Oh my God, it's coming up 2002. Yep, she declined her last meal.
• 2:41:40
  And just wanted a cup of. Black coffee Instead, her last
• 2:41:44
  words were quote yes, I would like to say I'm sailing with the
• 2:41:47
  rock and this is insane this by the way, these last words are
• 2:41:53
  the most. Unhinged.
• 2:41:54
  Last words I've ever heard in my life and for people to say like,
• 2:41:59
  oh, she was of sound mind. Of course she like listen to
• 2:42:01
  these last words. I'm sorry.
• 2:42:03
  Go on. Oh, you do it.
• 2:42:05
  I want you to do it. You can read it dramatically.
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  I can't. I'm too drunk to read it.
• 2:42:08
  Dramatically so. I want to say it like her, I
• 2:42:10
  just like to say. I'm sailing with the Rock and
• 2:42:14
  I'll be back like Independence Day with Jesus, June 6th, just
• 2:42:18
  like the movie. Big mothership and all.
• 2:42:20
  Like, what's this? Yeah, So she just.
• 2:42:24
  I think she will. I think she will.
• 2:42:26
  So. She.
• 2:42:27
  Reckons that when? She comes back.
• 2:42:29
  It's. Going to be like she's coming
• 2:42:32
  back with. With.
• 2:42:34
  Jesus. In the ship that Will Smith flew
• 2:42:38
  into the alien spacecraft in Independence Day, she must have
• 2:42:41
  because that came out like 96. So she must have seen that in.
• 2:42:44
  Yeah, in prison. And it must have just been like,
• 2:42:47
  screenings. Yeah.
• 2:42:48
  It must have just been one of the recent ones.
• 2:42:49
  Like they get it like, like. But I don't forget.
• 2:42:56
  About it, I don't get this where she says.
• 2:42:59
  I'm sailing with the. Rock.
• 2:43:01
  Did she mean like the the Nicolas Cage?
• 2:43:04
  The. Prison.
• 2:43:05
  The Rock. I know because like in 2002.
• 2:43:10
  It could be. Dwayne Johnson.
• 2:43:16
  Would you imagine that Alien Warnos is watching Monday?
• 2:43:19
  Night Raw. That's what I mean.
• 2:43:22
  Do they show Monday Night Raw in a women's prison and fucking?
• 2:43:27
  Like would she's. Walking around.
• 2:43:29
  Like Latino, he. Like fucking she hear you know
• 2:43:34
  you, Chris Benoit is. Like, do you think that that's
• 2:43:37
  actually a thing? Do you smell what the alien
• 2:43:41
  Warnos is cooking? Like if you killed 7 men in cold
• 2:43:47
  blue. Give me a hell yeah.
• 2:43:50
  GT here, I hardly know her. Yes.
• 2:43:56
  So it's those are very weird last words.
• 2:44:01
  I mean, yeah. So yeah.
• 2:44:04
  Basically, I don't know if she meant the movie, but she said
• 2:44:07
  that and she just she just does. That's that was the Life and
• 2:44:12
  Times of Alien. Warnos really like I mean, I
• 2:44:16
  mean just some real quick. So it was a summary there would.
• 2:44:19
  Be. The quote UN quote first.
• 2:44:22
  Woman in the. United States and the second
• 2:44:25
  woman in Florida to be executed since 19.
• 2:44:28
  Oh, wait, wait, wait, that that doesn't.
• 2:44:30
  That doesn't make sense. How could you be the first
• 2:44:32
  person? In the United States, for the
• 2:44:33
  second woman in Florida, first woman, first woman.
• 2:44:37
  Wait. Yeah, let's do the math first.
• 2:44:40
  Woman in the. US on the. 2nd in.
• 2:44:43
  Florida. Yeah, the second person in
• 2:44:46
  Florida, First in the US, but second.
• 2:44:49
  Person. I think she's the I.
• 2:44:51
  Think she was the second. Woman in the US since. 19. 76
• 2:44:54
  when they brought back the death penalty and the first in
• 2:44:56
  Florida. First in Florida.
• 2:44:57
  OK, whatever. Sorry I'm drunk.
• 2:45:00
  Since 1976, the US Supreme Court decision restoring capital.
• 2:45:06
  Capital I'm. So drunk capital punish.
• 2:45:09
  It's great spending three hours with you just watching.
• 2:45:12
  You getting drumper and trying to focus as as we as we get to
• 2:45:18
  the conclusion of this, there be many, many songs, books, so many
• 2:45:24
  movies. Many, many shows.
• 2:45:25
  Many, many, many things that are based off Aileen and her story.
• 2:45:31
  Of course there's Monster. And again, we've talked about
• 2:45:34
  it. You've referenced it the entire
• 2:45:35
  way through the steps. You haven't seen Monster with
• 2:45:38
  Charlize Theron and Christina Ricci.
• 2:45:41
  Please do. It is incredible.
• 2:45:44
  It does what I will say paint tie out to be this little
• 2:45:49
  fucking cutie that just got mixed up with the wrong person.
• 2:45:52
  So take that whole side of the movie with a pinch of salt
• 2:45:56
  because she actually is a big Butch dykey fucking cunt in real
• 2:45:59
  life. But yeah, if you haven't seen
• 2:46:03
  it, you should see it. Alex is going to have to block
• 2:46:08
  the word dyke. So many times I.
• 2:46:11
  Don't care. I can't.
• 2:46:12
  Do you? Do you have to block that one?
• 2:46:13
  No. Maybe if I say it dykes if I
• 2:46:17
  say. It like I.
• 2:46:18
  Mean I've eaten posts, it's fine.
• 2:46:21
  And but basically so she is a huge fucking A.
• 2:46:26
  Huge. Huge thing in pop culture still
• 2:46:28
  to this day. A lot.
• 2:46:30
  Of the kind of more hardcore feminists do see her.
• 2:46:35
  As as kind. Of like an idol or whatever,
• 2:46:40
  including me. I think she's fucking great.
• 2:46:42
  I really. Do think she's awesome I.
• 2:46:44
  Think it's like a that would be like mini.
• 2:46:47
  That would be me. Like being like a.
• 2:46:48
  Ted. Bundy what?
• 2:46:51
  What a male icon, What a masculine?
• 2:46:53
  I don't know. He's he's got handsome eyes.
• 2:46:58
  You are a. Fucked up individual Danny do.
• 2:47:00
  You know, do you know what? I mean right Disagree with no,
• 2:47:03
  no, no, no let. Me say this, let me say.
• 2:47:05
  This right Jodi? Arias.
• 2:47:08
  You know who Jodi Arias is? Right kiss.
• 2:47:10
  My. Jodi Arias fucking hot.
• 2:47:13
  Little fucking bitch she. Is she's fucking.
• 2:47:16
  Gorgeous, right? Stunning.
• 2:47:18
  She killed her boyfriend, right? Who was a Mormon, but he went by
• 2:47:23
  His name is. Travis, he went by.
• 2:47:24
  T dog innocent release her immediately any man that whose
• 2:47:29
  friends call him T dog. And they say.
• 2:47:33
  This in the documentary they're just like when we.
• 2:47:35
  Found him. Dead in the bathroom when I
• 2:47:37
  called my buddy and I was just like.
• 2:47:38
  Bro. It's T dog.
• 2:47:40
  He's gone. I'm like, innocent.
• 2:47:43
  OK. I kind of.
• 2:47:45
  Cradle. For you and your.
• 2:47:46
  Frappros Innocent. And then like basically, so she
• 2:47:50
  was blonde, she's big boobs, she was fucking gorgeous, gorgeous
• 2:47:53
  girl. She's put into prison, she's
• 2:47:55
  brought out for her trial months later.
• 2:47:57
  She's essentially A brunette now and she's wearing her glasses.
• 2:48:00
  And like, you're doing this to try and appear innocent and
• 2:48:03
  sweet. And she's like, well, no, you
• 2:48:04
  won't give me contact lenses and I don't have access to bleach.
• 2:48:07
  So like this is what I naturally look.
• 2:48:11
  Like. Queen.
• 2:48:13
  But he fucked her around. For months and months and months
• 2:48:16
  he would like. Literally tell her I want he
• 2:48:18
  wanted to. Be with her, tell her to go.
• 2:48:19
  You're a hypocrite, she would. You're a hypocrite and he would
• 2:48:22
  just be fucking. Girls in his apartment?
• 2:48:24
  No, he told. Me, he didn't want anything to
• 2:48:26
  do with her and then he would be like, you can come work.
• 2:48:28
  In my. Apartment he.
• 2:48:28
  Bought her a sexy maid outfit to clean his apartment and then he
• 2:48:32
  would bring women over and fuck them in front of her if the
• 2:48:36
  roles were reversed. This episode is over.
• 2:48:38
  This episode is. Over if the roles were reversed.
• 2:48:41
  We're talking about, we'll talk about Jodi.
• 2:48:43
  Arias next week I. You remember though, Alex.
• 2:48:46
  Alex cut this out. I just have to bring.
• 2:48:47
  This up let's top of my head, but do you?
• 2:48:49
  Remember, we can do this. We can sign off and then do
• 2:48:52
  this. We.
• 2:48:53
  You don't have. To do that, it's very funny, but
• 2:48:56
  fine. OK, ladies and gentlemen.
• 2:48:57
  Before Danny tries to. Incriminate me or somebody else
• 2:49:05
  This has. Been the life.
• 2:49:08
  And times of. Alien Warnos, I've been just the
• 2:49:12
  you love her. She's been getting locked and
• 2:49:17
  hold on a bit my girl. In the immortal I want to
• 2:49:23
  finish. I want to finish this the right
• 2:49:25
  way. In the immortal words of Alien
• 2:49:29
  Warnos, I just like to say I'm sailing with the Rock and I'll
• 2:49:34
  be back like Independence Day with Jesus.
• 2:49:38
  June 6th, just like the movie. Big motorship and all.
• 2:49:43
  Ladies and gentlemen, we're hanging out.
• 2:49:45
  With us for a spell. Goodbye.
• 2:49:48
  We're now, we're now a cult and we're going to meet.
• 2:49:51
  Every year on June 6th to wait for Eileen good night.
• 2:50:03
  Oh, when it was what I was going to say because it will go in.
• 2:50:05
  You're still record. I'm not I stopped.
• 2:50:08
  Oh. My God.
• 2:50:10
  Alex.