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Breaking Down Miss American Cowgirl From Singer Songwriter Lily Heidinger · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm doing great. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic. Looking forward to talking to you about a
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  Speaker 1: Miss American Cowgirl. Because I grew up in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Montana. We're walking into those those clubs and those
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  Speaker 1: bars and those Montana to me, that's where legends were shaped.
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  Speaker 1: And man if I didn't just instantly get that kind
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  Speaker 1: of a vibe when I first heard Miss American Cowgirl.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love that so much.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you do so many things inside this song
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  Speaker 1: that's so traditional, but at the same time, you're giving
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  Speaker 1: it that modern day appeal to it where it crosses
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  Speaker 1: over into every genre that's available right now. That takes
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  Speaker 1: a lot of guts on your guys's creative side.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, the way the song is now, I didn't expect
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  Speaker 3: it to be like that.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly.
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  Speaker 3: There's like probably three different versions we have, and then
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  Speaker 3: we finally started doing the more like country rock version,
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  Speaker 3: and then of course my modern edge came in and
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  Speaker 3: it became what the song is now. So I'm pretty
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  Speaker 3: grateful for that. And yeah, it does take a lot
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  Speaker 3: of gutsport because not a lot of people are doing
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  Speaker 3: it right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what you're doing with harmonies, my god, did
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  Speaker 1: you grow up listening to the Eagles? And because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: these harmonies are spot on and they're exactly where you
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  Speaker 1: want your harmonies. Because as a listener, it makes me
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  Speaker 1: want to sing right along with you.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great thing and I'm glad it does that.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, I did grow up listening to the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: I've listened to Aerosmith, Meat Low's, the Doobie.
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  Speaker 2: Brothers, all of them. I grew up with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of rap from my grandpa, so what.
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  Speaker 1: Was your engineer inside the studio? Pretty open for that,
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  Speaker 1: because on my last project, my engineer he says, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do it. Man, he says, I, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like a lot of harmony, So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to give you a harmony at that I'm paying you,
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  Speaker 1: and and but but but but but yet I had
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  Speaker 1: to go his route because he came up with the line.
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  Speaker 1: And you may have had to have dealt with this
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  Speaker 1: somewhere in your career. He goes, you're paying me for
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  Speaker 1: my expertise, and if my expertise says it doesn't call
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  Speaker 1: for the harmony, he ain't getting the harmony. Dude.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It wasn't actually my idea to do
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  Speaker 2: the harmonies.
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  Speaker 3: At first. I had a couple of nine, just not
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  Speaker 3: as many as we do have now. But my producer's
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  Speaker 3: list engineer Ben Uh, he's also my drummer in the band,
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  Speaker 3: so it's kind of cool. Uh. Those are all his ideas,
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  Speaker 3: and it honestly fits so well.
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  Speaker 2: And I did not expect it to sound like that.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm so.
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  Speaker 2: Glad that it makes you want to like sing along
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  Speaker 2: and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you handle how do you handle that
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  Speaker 1: moment though, that when you're working inside the studio and
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  Speaker 1: you're piecing it all together, that's one sound, and then
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  Speaker 1: you send it to be mastered and that's a completely
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  Speaker 1: different sound. How do you get used to that that
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  Speaker 1: change where it really is much different?
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, that's a hard question to answer, because when we
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  Speaker 3: go to the studio, all like a lot of us,
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  Speaker 3: my manager Frank, my other manager Edward Peppi, and then
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  Speaker 3: Ben's there, so it's all four of us.
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  Speaker 2: We're there and literally we'll go through the whole song.
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  Speaker 3: We'll nitpick everything, and pretty much Ben masters it like
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  Speaker 3: when we're there, and then honestly, like a few hours later,
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  Speaker 3: he'll send us the full like final cut and everything
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  Speaker 3: like that. And when I hear it, it honestly blows
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  Speaker 3: me away every single time because it's so weird to
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  Speaker 3: hear myself like that, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Do you go out in the car and
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  Speaker 1: listen to it like the rest of us, we just
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  Speaker 1: pop it on and go, yeah, this is what it's about.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I do. Literally, this is the time.
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  Speaker 3: Ben already knows to send me anything that we've done
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  Speaker 3: that day, like immediately, because I'll get in my car
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  Speaker 3: and because I have like an hour drive home, so
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  Speaker 3: I'm just blasting in my car and I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm nitpicking through it, and I'll probably write.
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  Speaker 2: Something down like, oh, we need to fix this or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But I love blasting my own music.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I totally get it. And in fact, for listeners,
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  Speaker 1: a song we're talking about is Miss American Cowgirl. Am
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  Speaker 1: I wrong to think that that this easily could fit
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  Speaker 1: on a Fleetwood Mac album? Because I mean, Stevie Nicks,
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  Speaker 1: I can hear it in your emotion. You have nailed
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  Speaker 1: emotion in this song.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, I've never heard somebody say Stevie Nicks, but
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  Speaker 3: I do love Leeward Max.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a really good compliment.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just the pacing and the harmonies and everything that
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  Speaker 1: you put into it gives it that storyteller appeal, which
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  Speaker 1: to me goes here we go into the summer of
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, I mean, we need a song that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: do that, and I'm going Miss American Cowgirl.
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  Speaker 2: Heck yeah, oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: And then and when you have a song cover like
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  Speaker 1: like you do with you in the back end of
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  Speaker 1: that pickup, you know people are gonna be going. I
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  Speaker 1: want that. I want to be that girl. I want
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  Speaker 1: to be that person in the back of a pickup
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 3: That's the whole point, honestly, of just like writing music
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  Speaker 3: and everything, and you know, being your own person and
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  Speaker 3: being your creative outlet. Like when I write my music,
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  Speaker 3: I read it for other people too, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: I want people to listen to it.
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  Speaker 2: And be like, yeah, I don't want to be her,
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  Speaker 2: like I want.
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  Speaker 3: To do this or whatever, and I just want to
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  Speaker 3: be like a good like example for people.
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  Speaker 1: And it starts with the lyrics, is what it does.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I love about it, is that you
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  Speaker 1: put a lot of interest and love inside those lyrics.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, totally.
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  Speaker 1: What is it like to put all that together? Because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, first of all, i'd love to
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  Speaker 1: see your hand notes when you go inside that studio,
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  Speaker 1: because you don't go in there without a pin and
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  Speaker 1: you don't go in there without without a lyrics sheet
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. But boy, we'll scratch the hell
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  Speaker 1: out of that dang thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's so true.
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  Speaker 1: Do you save your notes from all your different sessions
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  Speaker 1: and things?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, totally most of the time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean sometimes I write on actual paper, but most
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  Speaker 3: of the time I just writen my notes, like on
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  Speaker 3: my phone. So I have about like five hundred plus
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  Speaker 3: notes up in there because I have so many ideas.
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  Speaker 3: All the time, I write NonStop.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Do you do you think it's because Well,
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  Speaker 1: see on iHeartRadio, I have a show that's actually called
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  Speaker 1: Creativity is the Addiction. So now when you say that
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  Speaker 1: you write all the time, now I got to ask you,
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  Speaker 1: is it because we are addicted to creativity knowing that
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  Speaker 1: if it reaches out to one person, we did our job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Honestly, when I write it most
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  Speaker 3: into obviously it's from stuff that I've experienced and what
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  Speaker 3: I know about, and some of the songs I just hope,
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  Speaker 3: Like honestly, if I play it for one of my
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  Speaker 3: friends and they like relate to it, then I've done
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  Speaker 3: my job, you know what I mean, Because at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day, this is my career.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I'm going to be doing for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of my life. Hopefully I'm good enough to relate
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  Speaker 2: to people.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Lilly Hedinger coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. The name of a new song, Miss American Cowgirl.
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  Speaker 1: We are back with singer songwriter Lily Heinger. One of
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  Speaker 1: the things that we do is creative people. We like
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  Speaker 1: to take chances and try new toys and stuff. Have
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  Speaker 1: you sent your lyrics through chat, GPT or Grock or anything,
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  Speaker 1: because I just recently did that just as a joke.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god. I hated what Grock did. Oh god,
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  Speaker 1: there was no It just didn't carry the vibe that
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to do. And I always thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: what are other songwriters doing.
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  Speaker 3: I've honestly, I got a little I've tried that before.
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  Speaker 3: I have put my lyrics into some sort of like chat,
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  Speaker 3: GBT or whatever, and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 3: It was absolutely horrible, and you know, it could never
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  Speaker 3: recreate something that you know, us as writers could do,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with like the emotion and actually knowing how
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  Speaker 3: to write a song fully.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you where your ears burning. Last week
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  Speaker 1: because I was with Clint Black, I talked about you,
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  Speaker 1: I said, Clint, I said, I know that you're you are, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I did. I said, you are one of the originals.
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  Speaker 1: You fought for what you believe in and stayed true
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  Speaker 1: to what you believe in. I said, you need to
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  Speaker 1: get a hold of this girl. You need to listen
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  Speaker 1: to her because she's doing the same thing where she
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  Speaker 1: is fighting for what she believes in and making sure
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  Speaker 1: that it stays true to her sound.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't even know what to say right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it says a lot about you the musician, is
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  Speaker 1: what it does, and it says a lot about you know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody that you're surrounding yourself with, that there really is
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  Speaker 1: a voice to be heard here and you, being original
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  Speaker 1: is that voice.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, actually, thank you so much for saying that.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, it's such a hard thing to do, like this career,
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  Speaker 3: like everyone told me, like it's not gonna be easy,
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  Speaker 3: Like you know, it's gonna be super hard, and you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have all these hard times, like you just gotta
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  Speaker 3: have tough.
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  Speaker 2: Skin, like, but dude, it's hard. It's so hard.
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  Speaker 3: And just like when I hear people say that about me,
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  Speaker 3: it just makes you feel so good because I know
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  Speaker 3: that I'm doing the right thing and I'm doing the
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  Speaker 3: right thing with my life. You know.
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  Speaker 1: So are you still setting up your own stage when
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  Speaker 1: you got to do those live shows?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I.
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  Speaker 3: Do a lot of solo gigs around sounds so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta do that. And actually, yeah for most of
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  Speaker 3: our shows, not the stage part necessarily, but like we
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  Speaker 3: don't have any roadies yet, or you gotta do all
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  Speaker 3: of our stuff so well.
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  Speaker 1: That that, to me is part of the passion of
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  Speaker 1: being a musician, is that if you can't set up
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  Speaker 1: your own stage, I mean, you've got to put your
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  Speaker 1: own blood and guts into how that microphone stand is
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  Speaker 1: gonna stand, where you're gonna put those chords? Is it
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  Speaker 1: gonna get in the way? Am I gonna trip over them?
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  Speaker 1: Who's doing what?
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  Speaker 2: Yup? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? What are your full plans? Because I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's like people are just being introduced, and of
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  Speaker 1: course everybody wants to know your story. They want to
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  Speaker 1: know what you're up to and how you're gonna grow forward.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've always told myself and to my parents, especially
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  Speaker 3: when I was in school, that I wanted to move
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  Speaker 3: to Nashville, of course the place for country music literally,
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  Speaker 3: and when I was in high school, like yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like be my best friend Kayla.
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  Speaker 3: We're like, oh yeah, let's just move down there together,
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  Speaker 3: like right when I graduate, And that was the plan.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, things changed because I have so
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  Speaker 2: much stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Going for me here in Cleveland, and I have so
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  Speaker 3: many people, so many resources. I do have resources in
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  Speaker 3: people in Nashville, but I just don't think I'm ready yet,
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  Speaker 3: because I mean, I have the studio and we're still
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  Speaker 3: like making music and I'm still establishing myself.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe, honestly, in the future, I will totally move
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  Speaker 2: down to Nashville. There's no doubt about it. I'm sure,
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  Speaker 2: But just for now.
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  Speaker 1: One of the big moves down here right now is
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  Speaker 1: is that, especially here in Charlotte, you were talking about
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  Speaker 1: playing locally. I don't know if you know this or not,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of the grocery stores down here allow
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  Speaker 1: the musicians to come in and set up and play
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  Speaker 1: for two and three hours at a time. We have
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  Speaker 1: live musicians in our grocery stores.
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  Speaker 2: Well, why is it Cleveland getting like that?
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Why is it? Because it
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  Speaker 1: is so you talk about the best intimate setting where
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  Speaker 1: people because we have a beer and wine bar inside
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  Speaker 1: our grocery store. So therefore people are coming in and
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  Speaker 1: they're treating it like just a regular bar, and there's
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  Speaker 1: the musician, and then you realize I'm in a dang
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  Speaker 1: grocery store. How is this even possible?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Like, I'm so jealous. Now I need to come
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  Speaker 2: down there and see that for myself.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite the experience because it's really fun to watch
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  Speaker 1: these unbelievable songwriters go from being at let's say, a
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  Speaker 1: Harris Teeter or a Kroger, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: now they're in Nashville writing songs with the groups and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going, it's such a natural progression to go
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  Speaker 1: from the grocery store to Nashville.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is just insane.
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  Speaker 1: Who put the video together? I want to know the
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  Speaker 1: secret behind that, because it was just very authentic. I
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  Speaker 1: found that to be very entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate that that was actually.
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  Speaker 3: Ben and it literally I don't want to say it
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  Speaker 3: looks like a whole day, but I would say like
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  Speaker 3: five or six hours. Funny thing about that there was like,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have this like smoke in the video, right, Well,
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  Speaker 3: Ben's wife had to sit on the floor right in
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  Speaker 3: front of me and hold these pieces together of this
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  Speaker 3: smoke machine because.
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  Speaker 2: It took like an hour. Itoks like an hour break
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  Speaker 2: because it was broken.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there the whole time, like hold these
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  Speaker 3: little pieces together, and I thought it.
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  Speaker 2: Was the funniest thing. I thought I had a video
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  Speaker 2: you a bit, but I don't.
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  Speaker 3: But lots of hard work there, lots of hard work,
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  Speaker 3: but we got it done.
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  Speaker 2: Good teamwork.
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  Speaker 1: Any any touring plans or anything like that, you play
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  Speaker 1: in any festivals, because I mean you've been up there
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  Speaker 1: in the Cleveland area. I mean you've got the Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: Dell's up there. You've got a lot of things that
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  Speaker 1: are going on up there that have those festivals.
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  Speaker 2: I we're working on the festivals.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: We're a little late on that game, but we still
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  Speaker 3: are working for it.
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  Speaker 2: And this summer July fourteenth, Yeah, at Men of Rocks,
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  Speaker 2: I'm opening up for Night Ranger.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: So that yes, So that's going to be super cool.
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  Speaker 3: It's probably like the biggest show I've done to the day.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm super pumped about it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you got to do whatever you can to take
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  Speaker 1: some notes when you hang out with Night Ranger. Because
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  Speaker 1: I was the jock on the radio in Billing's, Montana
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  Speaker 1: when this hot new group called Night Ranger appeared on
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  Speaker 1: the music scene. Nobody would have ever thought that they
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  Speaker 1: would last as long as they're doing it today, so
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  Speaker 1: they must be doing something right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh yes, And I actually have hung out
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  Speaker 2: with them for We have a little.
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  Speaker 3: Something cooking up though with them, and I call them
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  Speaker 3: my bonus uncles.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, They're so sweet. I love them so much, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to see them again.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Well, where can people go to find out more
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  Speaker 1: about you and to get if you've got merch? Man
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  Speaker 1: here in the Carolinas, they're going to buy that merch.
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  Speaker 1: They may not have seen you yet, but they know
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  Speaker 1: you're coming.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, Well, my merch will be on my website
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  Speaker 3: I think sometime soon. You can look up my websites
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  Speaker 3: at Lilyhidinger dot com. How you felt my last name
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  Speaker 3: is kind of hard h E I D I N
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  Speaker 3: G E R. And then for my socials Instagram, Facebook,
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  Speaker 3: and TikTok, it's all just Lily Heidinger officials.
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  Speaker 2: You can find all of my stuff there.
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  Speaker 3: I have a little link tree if you guys want
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  Speaker 3: to see like my upcoming shows or what I'm doing,
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  Speaker 3: or if you just want to follow me and you know,
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  Speaker 3: keep up with me and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Man, you got you got to tell Jody that you
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  Speaker 1: want to come back and do this again and again
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  Speaker 1: every time you release a single. That's that's how we
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  Speaker 1: have to create the talk man, that's how you social media.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: You gotta keep talking about the stuff. So you got
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: to come back to this show anytime in the future.
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can totally do that, And I'll probably see
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: you soon then because I will be releasing a new song.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Will you be brilliant today?
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you,