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An Obvious Suspect In the 49ers Substation Theory · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: That is wait the audust thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh hey, everybody. Welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 3: Adam Todd Brown joining me as guest co host this week.
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  Speaker 3: But Teff Myers is here. How's it going?
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  Speaker 2: Man? Good? How about yourself? Fired up?
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  Speaker 3: I am doing great. I am excited to revisit this topic.
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  Speaker 3: We've covered this before, but we didn't really take it
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  Speaker 3: that seriously. We're talking about the San Francisco forty nine
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  Speaker 3: ers substation injury theory.
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  Speaker 2: I think when people knew that, find out that I'm
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  Speaker 2: want to show, or know that I'm going to show,
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  Speaker 2: and like hear you revisiting a topic, I think half
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  Speaker 2: of them were like, oh my god, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be sad and black, like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Turns out it just involves police brutality. Is
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  Speaker 3: all forty nine ers injuries We're sorry to report. I
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  Speaker 3: think we're going to break some hearts on this episode
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  Speaker 3: because I went into this wanting to believe the substation
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  Speaker 3: theory and now I just don't.
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  Speaker 2: I still believe it. I mean, you can't use a
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  Speaker 2: phone on an airplane, right, so of course, if you're
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  Speaker 2: practicing next to a substation, you gotta get fucked up.
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  Speaker 2: That's my science.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing I should clarify. I'm not convinced that
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  Speaker 3: living near a substation is safe. I'm not convinced of
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  Speaker 3: that at all. And if anyone out here is your
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  Speaker 3: kind of cherry picking the science, because the science is
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  Speaker 3: actually still kind of open on especially electromagnetic waves EMFs,
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  Speaker 3: electromagnetic fields, things like that, and we'll talk about it
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  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, when you get an X ray, they put you
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  Speaker 2: in a flak jacket, right, this is just a super
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  Speaker 2: living next to an X ray. You brought on the
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  Speaker 2: dumbest person to help with this.
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  Speaker 3: Again, I am not convinced that living near a substation
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  Speaker 3: is safe. I'm not convinced that these EMF waves are safe.
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  Speaker 3: And even the World Health Organization they bring up a
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  Speaker 3: scientist on a podcast episode that we're going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about in this episode. He talks about what the acceptable
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  Speaker 3: levels of these waves are and they talk about how
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  Speaker 3: there are other experts who say it's lower, and they
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  Speaker 3: don't really name them. I looked it up. It's the
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  Speaker 3: fucking World Health Organization that says they should be significantly lower,
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  Speaker 3: So when they say there's disagreement, it's not like fringe scientifics. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's mainstream scientists are kind of up in the air
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  Speaker 3: on it. But at the same time, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's what's causing the forty nine ers injuries. For one thing,
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  Speaker 3: there's a really big reveal coming that kind of blows
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  Speaker 3: up the substation theory.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, theory, not the substation, just the theory.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, did you hear that, n Essay, we said theory.
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  Speaker 3: We are not planning to blow up a substation. No.
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  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about the niners.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have not the means, motive, nor opportunity to
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  Speaker 3: do such a thing. So great news everybody. Pablo Torre
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  Speaker 3: has done a podcast episode about this. Pablo Torre, he's
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  Speaker 3: an ESPN personality who I like a whole lot.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's like the last guy doing like real sports journalism.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my only gripe with him. I've brought this up before,
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  Speaker 3: and I think I'm going to re release this episode
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  Speaker 3: just to do it because it was my fault for
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  Speaker 3: putting it behind a paywallt But a year or two ago,
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  Speaker 3: Pablo Torre did an episode of his podcast about how
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  Speaker 3: Trump's presidency could just be a big revenge plot against
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  Speaker 3: the NFL over him not being allowed to buy the
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  Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills, and Pablo Torre got all this attention for it,
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  Speaker 3: like it was a big sensation on the internet. I
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  Speaker 3: did that same episode in twenty eighteen, and I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying he stole my idea. I'm just saying I guess
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  Speaker 3: I should have made mine public when I released it.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to start finding out. You gotta start snitching
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  Speaker 2: on Kawhi. Every week there's a new Kawhi Got Money
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  Speaker 2: story from Pablo. He's on his ass. Bro.
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  Speaker 3: If Pablo Torre ends up dead, Kawhi Leonard did it.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be like Uncle Leonard or something. Whoever Kawhi's
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  Speaker 2: uncle slash manager is Uncle Dennis.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he is fucking with Kawhi Leonard's money really hard
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  Speaker 3: on his podcast right now.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking he had a side deal with the Scoreboard Company.
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  Speaker 3: Like I will say, I think he did a really
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  Speaker 3: good job with this substation episode. But also when you
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  Speaker 3: say he's one of the last ones doing investigative journalism, yes,
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  Speaker 3: but also on this episode, no.
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  Speaker 2: No, for sure, I meant like, in terms of like
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  Speaker 2: the sports media landscape.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, on this particular episode. And that's not me saying
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  Speaker 3: there's no journalism happening here. He just talks to the
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  Speaker 3: host of another podcast, Wendy Zuckerman of the Science Versus podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Oh is the guest, and she did an episode about
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  Speaker 3: this and interviewed Peter Cowan, who is the guy who
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  Speaker 3: kind of started this whole theory, which is a pretty
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  Speaker 3: recent theory. It only goes back a few years.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like I heard first time heard
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  Speaker 2: about this was like last year.
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  Speaker 3: The basic gist of the theory, it's really easy to
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  Speaker 3: understand as it goes the forty nine Ers have a
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  Speaker 3: electrical substation next to their stadium and practice facilities.
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  Speaker 2: Like a giant one, a huge one, like a comically
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  Speaker 2: big substation. Right.
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  Speaker 3: The theory is that the forty nine ers, who have
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  Speaker 3: been plagued by injuries since ten twelve years ago, it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of become their identity. They're just always injured. The
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  Speaker 3: theory is they're getting these injuries because of the effects
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  Speaker 3: of playing and practicing so close to that substation.
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  Speaker 2: Which I kind of agree with because, like, would you
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  Speaker 2: eat at a restaurant near a substation.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, yeah, probably.
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  Speaker 2: Really I wouldn't. I'd be like, dude, I don't need
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  Speaker 2: know fucking laser hamburgers, Like I'm not doing that, Like
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  Speaker 2: fuck that. So like these people are fucking practicing near
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  Speaker 2: a substation, like of course they're gonna get fucked up.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if it is true that being that
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  Speaker 3: close to a substation is that dangerous. But again, that's
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  Speaker 3: a thing that it seems like science is not settled on,
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  Speaker 3: or at.
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  Speaker 2: Least annoying with that humming noise.
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  Speaker 3: The noise would definitely bother me.
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  Speaker 2: You tried me, fucking crazy, bro, And.
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  Speaker 3: I know sometimes being sensitive to things like that, being
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  Speaker 3: sensitive to noise can manifest itself in your body in
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  Speaker 3: weird ways. So maybe there's something to that. Again, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not discounting the idea that being too close to a
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  Speaker 3: substation would be bad for you. I would still fuck
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  Speaker 3: up the right taco if it was I would not
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  Speaker 3: right outside a substation, no problem.
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  Speaker 2: If there's a chilis that next to a substation, I'm
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  Speaker 2: avoiding that Chili's And I love Chili's.
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  Speaker 3: Who doesn't love Chili's?
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  Speaker 2: I love chili so much, right, it's great.
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  Speaker 3: So let's kind of go through this Pablo Torre episode first,
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  Speaker 3: because sure, I do think he does a good job
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  Speaker 3: digging into the science of this. It's just I think
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  Speaker 3: everyone's leaving an obvious suspect off the table. He Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Side note, if Pablotry is ever on your ass, just snitch,
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  Speaker 2: just snitch on yourself, because he's gonna find out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the name of his podcast.
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  Speaker 2: He's the Ruthless motherfucker.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Pablo Tory finds out. Dude, He's going his podcast
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  Speaker 3: and he just shows you pictures of shit you did
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  Speaker 3: when you were a team. Damn dude, we didn't even
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  Speaker 3: have social media.
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  Speaker 2: Then it's like, how did you find pictures of me
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  Speaker 2: and Jenko? Jean's Pabloatory.
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  Speaker 3: And I have a copy. So they talk about Peter Cowan,
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  Speaker 3: who is kind of the godfather of this theory. Important
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  Speaker 3: note about Peter Cowen not a scientist. He is a
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  Speaker 3: high school dropout, a former hacker who in this interview
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  Speaker 3: just kind of admits to getting rich off of running
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  Speaker 3: hacking schemes back in the day. He's just like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: statute limitations, baby, which apparently it's like five years on wirefraud. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, I didn't go to high school. I
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  Speaker 3: just got rich stealing money from idiots on the Internet,
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  Speaker 3: and now I spread substation theories.
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  Speaker 2: We got to start stealing people's money.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to come up with somebody to wire
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  Speaker 3: fraud ski some sort of illegitimate hustle. But we got
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  Speaker 3: to do it as a business, so we just get fined.
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  Speaker 3: If we do it as individuals, we just go to prison.
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  Speaker 2: That's a white crime. Thank you. You put me on game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah. So Peter Cowen, I feel like when,
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  Speaker 3: especially if you lean more toward the conspiracy theory side
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  Speaker 3: of this, when you get scientists who are saying, no, actually,
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  Speaker 3: the amount of waves that's putting out isn't actually anything dangerous,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like a conspiracy theorist's heart. Your first instinct is, well,
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  Speaker 3: all right, what are those scientists motives? What what are
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  Speaker 3: they to like, who's who's funding them? And what you find,
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  Speaker 3: at least in the science with the scientists quoted in
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  Speaker 3: this episode are that they don't have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: weird industry ties or financial motives. But Peter Cowen, it
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  Speaker 3: seems like, is also sort of a ballistic healer type.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, who could.
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  Speaker 3: Potentially have some vested interest in selling people on the
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  Speaker 3: idea that electromagnetic waves are a huge problem. Just putting
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  Speaker 3: that out there. I'm not accusing him of that. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just saying it's a possibility.
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  Speaker 2: Is he one of those people that has like the
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  Speaker 2: matte filled with dirt that you're supposed to lay on.
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  Speaker 2: Have you heard of this?
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  Speaker 3: No, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 2: There's some hippies that have like a mate filled with
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  Speaker 2: dirt and they lay on it so you can get
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  Speaker 2: closest to the earth. And these dirt mats costs, like me,
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  Speaker 2: fifty th one hundred dollars, get pretty fucking expensive. But
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  Speaker 2: it's like, it's just a fucking It's just two yoga
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  Speaker 2: mats sewn together with fucking dirt in it.
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  Speaker 3: That's the kind of shit we got to invent. There
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  Speaker 3: needs to be a shark tank for crazy shit like that.
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  Speaker 3: Just get me in front of like Antonio Brown, Oscar
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  Speaker 3: de la Hoya, a bunch of crazy motherfuckers who are rich.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me, it's called a grounding matt and it's eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars on the low end.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, you can't afford not to buy it
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  Speaker 3: at that price. What if they go up?
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  Speaker 2: You know, Jesus Christ. Yeah, fucking dirt matts.
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  Speaker 3: So when I say they talked to Peter Cowan on
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  Speaker 3: this episode, this other podcast host had already talked to him.
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  Speaker 3: So they're showing clips from that interview on this Pablo
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  Speaker 3: Tore episode, and I'll also link to his articles that
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  Speaker 3: he's written about it. This guy's done some research. I
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  Speaker 3: will grant him that he's done a lot of research
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  Speaker 3: into electromagnetic fields how they could impact the body. It
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  Speaker 3: just does seem like he might be kind of cherry
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  Speaker 3: picking the stuff that makes his theory sound believable and
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  Speaker 3: luering out other stuff that might discredit it a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But he talks about how you can hear the substation
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  Speaker 3: when you're at forty nine ers game sound gets louder
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  Speaker 3: when you walk closer to it. Course, he measured the
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  Speaker 3: EMF output near it because his thinking is that these
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  Speaker 3: EMF waves are creating oxidative stress. It is attacking the
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  Speaker 3: collagen in tendons and ligaments, and that's why the forty
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  Speaker 3: nine ers are having all these injuries. That's an important
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  Speaker 3: thing to point out. He's not just fixated on injuries.
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  Speaker 3: It's the type of injuries Achilles injuries, acls, hamstrings, stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that. Those are the types of injuries he's focused on,
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  Speaker 3: and he thinks it's EMF waves weakening the collagen in
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  Speaker 3: those tendons. One of the interesting things that comes up
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  Speaker 3: in this because they're talking about how this guy's not
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  Speaker 3: a scientist. The podcast co host Wendy Zuckerman, who's doing
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  Speaker 3: most of the heavy lifting here, she brings on a scientist.
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  Speaker 3: She also talked to an actual scientist on her podcast,
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  Speaker 3: an Australian guy named Ken Karapedes who re searches whether
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  Speaker 3: waves emitted from power lines and things of that sort
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  Speaker 3: are dangerous. Peter Cowan brings up that these EMF levels
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  Speaker 3: near the forty nine ers practice facility are fifty miligoths. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: that sounds really alarming. He goes to an area further
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  Speaker 3: away from it and it's like eight and he says
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  Speaker 3: something about the normal exposure being like two miligoths. Okay, damn,
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  Speaker 3: And so that fifty number sounds very alarming. But what
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  Speaker 3: this Ken Karapites guy brings up is that the actual
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  Speaker 3: safe level, according to at least the organization he works for,
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  Speaker 3: is two thousand milligoths.
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  Speaker 2: Which is like a microwave.
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  Speaker 3: Which is significantly more than the fifty that is around
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  Speaker 3: us the forty nine or substation. But what's complicated there
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  Speaker 3: is I just mentioned the World Health Organization. They're the
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  Speaker 3: ones who say the safer level is actually closer to
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  Speaker 3: like two or three. But they're basing it on a
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  Speaker 3: study that was done in the seventies that found out
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  Speaker 3: possible link between living near a substation and kids getting leukemia.
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Brockovic, Yeah, exactly that kind of thing. But the
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  Speaker 3: research around it has changed since then. So whereas the
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  Speaker 3: World Health Organization is approaching it out of like the
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  Speaker 3: utmost caution, there's other organizations that are like, well, we've
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  Speaker 3: looked at it more since then, and it's not quite
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  Speaker 3: as serious. So there's no denying that the science around
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  Speaker 3: this is kind of still up in the air.
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  Speaker 2: I just wish there was a better place for them
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  Speaker 2: to practice, but that's substation is literally right there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the other weird thing about this whole theory
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  Speaker 3: is everyone from the people who run the substation to
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  Speaker 3: all the higher ups that the forty nine ers are like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we looked into it. There's no cause for concern. But meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: on the forty nine er side of things, they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: but we are moving our practice facility. We're that fucking thing,
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  Speaker 3: Like by the end of the year, we are getting
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  Speaker 3: the fuck out of here. And it's like, well, that's weird,
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  Speaker 3: especially when you look into why their practice facility is
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  Speaker 3: where it is. They used to practice like seventy fucking
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  Speaker 3: miles away from their stadium and would have to commute,
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  Speaker 3: and the whole selling point was, well, now we can
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  Speaker 3: just practice right there at the stadium. There's none of
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  Speaker 3: that back and forth. So that was kind of a
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  Speaker 3: big deal, And now all of a sudden they're just like, eh,
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  Speaker 3: twelve years was a good run. Let's find new practice
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  Speaker 3: facilities good enough, So that part is weird. Also, the
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  Speaker 3: forty nine ers commissioned this report but won't release any
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  Speaker 3: details about it.
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  Speaker 2: Dog does say they know it can damage them.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but also could it be something else I think is.
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  Speaker 2: They're microwave into collegens.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when I mentioned this, Peter Cowan guy ignoring other science,
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  Speaker 3: there are actually scientific studies out there that show electromagnetic
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  Speaker 3: fields and the waves they emit can actually strengthen collagen.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so that, for one, if true, really blows up
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  Speaker 3: his theory. But there's also something they bring up at
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  Speaker 3: the very end of this pablotory episode that I think
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  Speaker 3: really really hurts this guy's claims. One of the big
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  Speaker 3: pushbacks people have against the substation theory is Okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: the forty nine ers injuries started going up in twenty fourteen.
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  Speaker 3: That substation has been there since the eighties, and Peter
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  Speaker 3: Cowen's argument is yes, but in twenty fourteen it was
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  Speaker 3: greatly expanded. But what they bring up at the end
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  Speaker 3: of this pablotory episode is, yes, a substation near Levi's
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  Speaker 3: stadium was expanded in twenty fourteen. It was not the
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  Speaker 3: one next to Levi's stadium. It was a few miles
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  Speaker 3: away from Levi's stadium. The one next to it was
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  Speaker 3: not expanded in twenty fourteen. So that feels like not
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  Speaker 3: even him cherry picking, but almost being a little deceptive.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe lazy, a little bit lazy too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's kind of where the Pablo Torre
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  Speaker 3: episode leaves it, is, well, this guy's wrong on some
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  Speaker 3: of his facts, but the science is still out there.
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  Speaker 3: It's probably not the substation. We have no idea what's happening?
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  Speaker 3: And it reminds me a little bit of the Asubass
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  Speaker 3: article I wrote when I worked at Cracked. Are you
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  Speaker 3: familiar with this article?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've bummed me out with it. Yeah.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I love breaking people's hearts with Asa Bass is a
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  Speaker 3: straight up Nazi band. But yeah, I've told this story before.
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  Speaker 3: It was when Trump was first running for all. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, well, I better study up on some Nazi shit.
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  Speaker 3: And I was watching a show on Netflix called Nazi
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  Speaker 3: Megastructures and they were talking about this U boat base
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  Speaker 3: where all of the best U boat captains ran their
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  Speaker 3: operations out of, and they called it the Base of Ases.
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  Speaker 3: And when I heard that, I was just like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: that sounds like Asa Bass. And if you look at
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  Speaker 3: Asa Bass's name, it's not Bass like in music, it's
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  Speaker 3: bas Yeah. And I was like, well, shit, is Asa
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  Speaker 3: Bass maybe a secret Nazi band? When I started looking
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  Speaker 3: into it, it turns out a writer Atvice did half
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  Speaker 3: the work for me, because yes, one of the lead
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: singers of Asabasse was in a straight up skinhead Nazi
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  Speaker 3: band in the eighties. They released albums. They were a
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  Speaker 3: fucking vile right wing hate band.
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  Speaker 2: Was it Olf Eckberg. Yes, he looks like a Nazi.
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  Speaker 3: What made it so easy for me is vice did
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  Speaker 3: all that work? But then ended the article by asking, well,
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  Speaker 3: did this guy start a subbasse to hide his Nazi passed?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, better question, is a subbass a
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  Speaker 3: fucking Nazi band?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And if you look into it, it seems like they are.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like with this Pablo Torre episode and
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: with this story in general, people are missing an obvious
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: fucking possibility here. Again, the substation theory kind of relies
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: on the idea that this substation was expanded in twenty fourteen,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: and that's when all the trouble started. This pablotory episode
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: kind of undoes that idea that it was the substation
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: next to it that was expanded in twenty fourteen. So
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: that got me to thinking, well, what changed about where
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: the forty nine ers were in twenty fourteen. I think
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: our culprit here might be the turf at Levi's stadium.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: It's not as fun.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I know, it's not nearly as fun. That sucks. Yeah,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: the turf did change in twenty fourteen, and that is
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: when the injuries start going up. As it turns out
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I looked into the history of all of this that
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: turf was a fucking debacle right out of the fucking gate.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I believe it. Yeah, we'll get.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: To that part in a second. But I did a
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: little research once I started tumbling down this rabbit hole.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: There are sixteen NFL teams that use natural grass at
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: their stadiums. Let's go through the list. There are five
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: teams Jaguars, Dolphins, Cardinals, Ravens, Bucks that all use tiff
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Way four nineteen hybrid Bermuda grass. Four teams Browns, Broncos, Packers,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Bills use natural Kentucky Bluegrass, Commanders and Eagles natural Bermuda
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: grass Bears Steelers to home a thirty one bermuda grass.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: There are two teams in the NFL that use their
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: own special version of grass at their stadiums. One the
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs north Bridge Bermuda Grass, which argue with
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: those fucking results since twenty fourteen, Yeah, every team should
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: be putting north Bridge Bermuda grass in their stadium, but
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: also Levi's stadium. The forty nine Ers Bandera Bermuda grass.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: They used their own type of grass made by a
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: company called West Coast turfs, And I'll link to a
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: bunch of articles from twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen from
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: the early days of when this grass was installed, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: there is some interesting shit in those articles. Again, it
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: was first installed April twenty fourteen. Tiff way Bermuda grass
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: was used prior to twenty fourteen. Here's a quote from
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: one of these articles. Tiff, you've played sports before.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, played some D one lacrosse.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Tell me if this sounds right to you. It's a
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: quote from a twenty fourteen article about this new turf
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: that they were about to install at Levi's stadium. Here
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: goes The forty nine ers chose this style of grass
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: in part to help their players avoid injuries. The team
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: sports turf manager and head grounds keeper Matt Griner said
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: the grass type has good tensile strength, so when a
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: player plants his cleat, it stays together. It's our anticipation
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that you will have fewer players falling. End quote. That
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: doesn't sound right to me. Now, the combination of your
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: foot really planting in the ground while you fall would
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: be a good thing.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: No, But like, yeah, no, I feel like you'd want
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: something with a little give. Yes, I don't know right,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I just imagine kind of running on concrete at that
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: point right where it's like you just say planted. Oh yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: you don't want that. Back in the day when they
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: had like the astro turf, there would be like these
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: little black pellets all over it, just to keep it
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: more cushioned and give you more spring. It fucking sucks
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: when it was like super hot, because those things would
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: just fucking be like little there's hot as fuck. But like,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: you don't, I don't think you want something like that
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: tough to run on the thing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of hearing him talk about how you
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: plant your cleat in that grass just stays together. Is
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the fucking Joe Thiseman injury?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I am unfortunately old enough to have watched that live
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: on television at the age of nine. I believe it
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: was either yeah, nine.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Or Alex Smith for your young heads.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Alex Smith, same sort of thing. But Joe Thiseman,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: he was a quarterback, played for Washington, really good, great
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: player on Monday Night football, ends up getting hit by
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Lawrence Taylor, one of the most notoriously lethal defensive players
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: in history. Even he when this play happened, got up
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and was like, holy shit, this is bad. Yeah, he
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: started waving people over. And what happened is thisman's foot
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: in the ground and when Lawrence Taylor hit him from
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: the side, his knee just like snapped in half because
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: his foot was planet. And it sounds like that's kind
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: of what they're getting at with this grass, because here's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: another quote. Again, we're talking about hybrid grass that's designed
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: to withstand multiple events and shit, this is another quote
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: from the article, and this is the interviewer talking about
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the grass. We tried ripping apart a sample size of
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: the grass, but it was as tough as a rug.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I get that we're calling this natural grass, but it
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: doesn't fucking sound like natural grass to me. No, So
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I'll link to those two articles. They end with this
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: ominous quote. The field's first test will come August second,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: when the Earthquakes host the rival Seattle Sounders football club
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: in the first sporting event in the stadium's history. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I say that's ominous because cut to August twenty second,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: twenty fourteen headline NBC Bay Area forty nine Ers install
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: new deep turf at Levi's Stadium. That shit made it
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: all of twenty fucking days. Jesus, this turf that they
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: wrote articles about, bragged about how legendarily safe and effective
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: it was going to be made it twenty fucking days
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: before the forty nine ers had to replace it.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: That's great. That's fucking crazy.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: And I think if nothing else, it speaks to there
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: being another possibility besides the substation, albeit a more boring possibility. Yeah,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: but also, isn't it one the forty nine ers would
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: still want to cover up a little.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Bit, probably to be like, we actually made a bone,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: had a choice, and it's kind of on us as
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: opposed to a substation.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it would be one thing if they had
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: these issues in twenty fourteen with the initial turf and
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: then whoops, we fucked something up. We replaced it and
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: now it's fine. But that's not what happens. No. But
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: before we get to that, there's a really interesting quote
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: from this NBC Bay Area article that I think speaks
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: to this maybe even being a bigger problem than just
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the turf. Here goes a source with the City of
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Santa Clara told NBC Bay Area the issue was not
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: with the grass, but with the sand surface underneath. Team
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: officials said they know why the turf didn't take properly,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: but they declined to disclose that information. End quote.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: So now is it just the turf or is the
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: entire foundation of that field faulty in some way, which
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: then you're talking about a whole other sort of repair, not.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Even a repair. You gotta fucking move, like you'd have
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: to like uproot everything right and destroy because if you
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: have to fucking fix the foundation, you might as well
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: just move at that point.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: And it seems like that sand underneath is kind of
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: integral to having a stadium in that area because it's
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: a rainier area. Uh oh yeah, California, and that sand
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: helps move water better. For some reason. This grass only
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: needs to be watered like fifty percent of the time
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: as regular grass also, which is weird. So it would
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: be one thing if changing that turf in twenty fourteen
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: fix things, but it seems like it sure did not.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Let's just run through a couple headlines. ESPN twenty fifteen.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Levi's stadium grass problems force forty nine ers to cancel practice,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: open to the public, CBS Sports twenty fifteen. Grass at
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: one point two billion dollar Levi's stadium is falling apart
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: for second year in a row.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Did they fire the groundskeeper?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: No, there's actually a twenty twenty six interview with him.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: How the fuck did he throw out his job?
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: And what's crazy is and we'll link to all this
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: if you read up on the guy who developed this grass.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: He's like a huge forty nine Ers fan, and it
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: seems like he was like, I'm going to make my
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: team the best grass. And I can't prove it, but
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: it seems like he might have made his team grass
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: that gives them a bunch of fucking ACL tears and
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: tendon injuries.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Most of the teams in the top ten of injuries
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: have Bermuda grass.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: That's crazy because the whole talking point around grass is
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: what's gonna cut down on injuries?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like again, the forty nine Ers, Miami, Baltimore, Arizona,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: like these are all in the top ten of injured teams.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: So there's also SFGate twenty sixteen. Levi's stadium has turf
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: trouble during Super Bowl SB Nation twenty nineteen. Levi's stadium
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: has infamous turf. Here's the National Championship grass situation. San
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Francisco Chronicle twenty twenty six. While Levi's stadium is the
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: worst rated Super Bowl site, damn. So if nothing else,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the issues with the turf carried on at least until
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. And in that article to bring up the
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: sand underneath again, they mentioned that they were going to
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: try a new root system them to fix whatever was
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: causing the problem. So at least half a decade in
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: whatever was wrong in twenty fourteen still was not fixed. Yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: and I think, if nothing else, if you're going, well,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: why do the forty nine ers have all this increase
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: in injuries starting in twenty fourteen? Maybe that I know
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: it's boring, but it really feels like it could be
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: that they are playing on the worst fucking turf in
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: the NFL. Even though it's natural grass and we're all
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: inclined to think that's always better. This feels like weird
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Frankenstein grass that could still fucking hurt you.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's again, these are all leg injuries that yes,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: these are primarily leg injuries that like that are affecting
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the players. So why wouldn't they look towards the ground?
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Right, does that make sense? They're just blaming They're blaming
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the substation, which again it's way more fun to blame.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: But it's like, oh man, what is the correlation of
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: all of our players to hurt their legs? What do
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: they all do? They all run on the same place.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I wonder if they're just in a spot where they
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: have to use that grass, because people might note why
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I list all these headlines and they stop at twenty nineteen.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: So did maybe that new root system fix the problem
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, And maybe there aren't any issue since
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: SFGate twenty twenty six, NFL tears up entire forty nine
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: ers field ahead of Super Bowl they replace the turf
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: with natural Bermuda grass or the Super Bowl at Levi's Stadium.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Should it the grass be all uniform?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: You would think, right, you would think just for like
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: fairness reasons, like literally level the playing field. Yeah, make
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: it so everyone's playing on the same But then then
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: it gets into well, then should every team have to
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: play in a dome?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, fair But it's like if some but there
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: have been some teams are you can even tell like,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: oh a grass fucking sucks. I'd stick a lot of
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: like the Ohio teams where I'm like, dude, or where
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the fucking Raiders used to play that fucking baseball stadium
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and during like if there was still baseball during the season,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: it's like, all right, so half you field was fucking dirt,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: but all right, we're still going to play.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: And they couldn't. I mean, I guess in the eighties
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: you couldn't fix that.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this was before they left for Vegas. That
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: shit was still happening, like so yeah, I don't know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: it seems pretty fucking dangerous. But they're already like hitting
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: each other and like giving themselves concussions.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: So I just wonder who would be motivated most to
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: lie about this. If it was the turf and the
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: forty nine ers knew, would that open them up to
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: some sort of liability? Could the Players Union come at
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: them and be like, Hey, a lot of your players
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: would have had longer careers if you didn't buy that shitty
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: grass and then stick with it for as long as
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: you did.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Is the grass company the one spreading the substation rumors?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Probably Big Grass.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Because I mean seems like they got a good gig
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: going with the forty nine ers, and they also West
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Coast Turf has done a bunch of Super Bowls, but
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: it seems like they're not doing this grass with the
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. Again, I can't prove it, but reading all
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: of this shit about the grass, something about it seems different.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: It seems like from the drainage system to the type
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: of grass they're using, something about it is different, and
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: it seems like it has to be different, like they
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: can't change it. Yeah, and I would not be surprised
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: if that explains a lot of your injuries over the substation.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: We should go walk it. We can walk with the turf.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I bet you can do like stadium tours
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: and shit.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Because like it has to be the grass. I guess yeah.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I feel like it seems like a more obvious culprit.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: And also I keep mentioning how this grass doesn't seem
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: super grass, Like, Yeah, there's this other weird quote from
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: an interview with one of the people from the company
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: that created this grass. I had never fucking thought about this.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Here's the quote. Look at any stadium over any year.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: The fields in the sixties and seventies and eighties, the
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: uniforms were pretty muddy. You look at the fields now
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: and it's amazing the development and advancements and growing just soid.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: But sid specifically for high demanding customers like the NFL.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: That's the most demanding customer we have. And you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: you see grass stains, but you don't see mud on
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: the uniforms anymore. And I never fucking thought about that,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: but you don't. No, you never see mud. So how
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: natural is this fucking grass that they're growing?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then again, I also fuck if other teams
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: have like a concrete foundation and then like a foot
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: or two of the fake grass on top, whereas San
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: fran has like the sand foundation, but then the grass
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: on top of it, like you kind of playing, I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: feel like on this super hard, grippy surface that isn't stable.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: That makes sense?
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think another factor here could be. One of
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: the big complaints about the forty nine Ers stadium is
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: the way they designed it. Half of the field is
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: just baking in sun the entire game. Yeah, Like, if
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: it's a day game, there's one half of the stadium
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: that's just bright the whole time. You're gonna get murdered
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: by the sun if you sit on that side. This
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: grass one of its selling points. It's designed to stay
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: greener than typical grass. So did that fucking design flaw
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: necessitate the use of this specific grass, so the forty
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: nine ers don't have a half brown field the entire season.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Did they sacrifice player safety for aesthetics?
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Basically probably yeah.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just feel like I'm onto something.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like the turf could be our actual demon
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: here and maybe not the substation. And listen, everybody. I
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: know that's boring, but is an for a little more
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: reassuring No, I'm sorry. Do you have this special brand
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: of Bermuda grass in your yard?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: No? My yard is a shit show. No, but you.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Probably got a substation somewhere near you.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: That is true. I do actually have one, like pretty close, so.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I would much rather find out that it's the grass
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: as opposed to the substation. I live a ton of
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: shit like that. I got refineries near me, I got substations.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: No, I do have a substation. It's like super close.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: It might be like, yeah, it's like three or four
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: blocks away.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: But I bet I've never set foot on Bandera Bermuda
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: grass even once.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: So it's true much less to like try to juke
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: somebody and then get hit by like a two hundred
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and fifty pound managers like six foot six full pads.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, and an electromagnetic field all at the same time.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I absorb both of those hits. Uh So, I don't know.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Do we have any final thoughts on this?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: This might be the saddest episode we've ever done together.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: It's a little disappointing.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Sure it's Yeah, I would I would love it if
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: it was just like electromagnetics that are messing people up.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I was ready to like pick apart the Pablotore episode
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: and be like, well, you missed, you ignored this study.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: You ignored that they didn't they touched on shit. So
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: that was disappointing. And then I start looking into it
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: more and ah, just the grass, But I think it
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: might be the grass everybody.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: But then once I saw that, like the majority of
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the top rated teams that are injury prone have this
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: permuda grass, I was like, Oh, that makes way more
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: sense then.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, if nothing else, even if they got the
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: grass fixed in twenty nineteen, the fact that they played
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: on it for five years would absolutely factor into all
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: those extra injuries. Yeah, so then how many of those
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: extra injuries do you subtract because of the grass. Because
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: one of the things they also bring up on the
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Pablo Toy episode is, Yeah, the forty nine ers leave
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the league in injuries depending on how you look at it,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: But even then, they don't lead the league in injuries
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: by much. Yeah, it's not like just this unexplainable gap
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: between them and everyone else. They just have the most.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: It is at the end of the day, like a
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: super violent sport. Yeah right, Like yeah, so, I mean
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be injuries regardless, but like the grass, if
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: it injures what like five percent more, IF's injuries are more,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: if your players are more percent or five percent more
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: to be more injured, then like that is a huge difference.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: That's championship or busts. Like that's a huge fucking difference.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big deal. And then you couple that
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: with the fact that the forty nine ers are not
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: a young team. They are getting up there in years.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: So I honestly think these injuries are something else and
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: something else. A lot of people have brought up Kyle
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Shanahan's practice routine. He is brutal when it comes to
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: how much he makes his players practic like it's a
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: well known thing. So combine worst turf in the league,
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  Speaker 3: an aging roster and a coach who makes them practice
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  Speaker 3: like they're in fucking boot camp. It stands to reason
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the forty nine ers would have more injuries.
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  Speaker 2: And he also was the one who fucking ruined RGI
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  Speaker 2: three's career in Washington. How so he was their offensive coordinator.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Didn't RG three just get injured though, he got injured,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: but then they brought him back too quick, if that
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: They brought like they were like, oh, you could play
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  Speaker 2: without a meniscus going out there and like ended that
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: guy's career.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sucks. So yeah, I think we did it
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: more like conspiracy the show finds out.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so bummed. I'm so fucking sad about it.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine. We don't want substations to be bad. They're everywhere.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: It'd be like finding out data centers are bad. You're
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: gonna tell me that next you see. Fucking the ones
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  Speaker 3: in Texas wanted forty percent of the energy output that
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: like America produces just to put data centers in Texas.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds fair.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, we need forty gig a lots or
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: something fucking crazy. Forty but jillion giga loots of electricity
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  Speaker 2: for eighteen hour data centers and they were like, that
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: is half of America. That's exactly. Well, Texas has a
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: shitty They have a shitty electrical infrastructure anyway.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a power grid that doesn't connect to
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  Speaker 3: any adjoining states. Yeah, if their power grid starts to
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: get overloaded, they can't go to neighboring states and be like, hey,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: send us some power so our shit doesn't fail, because
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: they're Texas and they don't need that kind of help.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because when it snowed like three inches like a
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: few years ago, we just took out all of Texas.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: State just was dark for like a week. Don't mess
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: with Texas. It's like, motherfucker's That was an anti littering campaign.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Calmed down?
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Is that what that was?
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't mess with Texas was anti littering. It was
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: not about Texas being super tough. It was about stop
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: throwing your fucking hot dog wrappers on our highways. God,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: don't mass with Dixon's that's how they should say it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: You really just ruin things?
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Adam ruins everything. What a great idea for
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: a TV show. So I think that's our episode. We
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: did it a tiff. Thank you so much, of course,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: sorry to break your heart about the substation theory? What
• 40:22
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• 40:42
  Speaker 3: do you want to plug?
• 40:43
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• 40:46
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• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, and I think that's it. Let's get the
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: fuck out of here, Tiff say goodbye, please, goodbye everybody.
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  Speaker 3: We love you.