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Show 136: NOTES OF THE TRUE CHURCH · The Uncensored Catholic

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The f A Hey, y'all, welcome today's shaw. We're just gonna pick
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up where we left off yesterday. The Anglican, who has been questioning the
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priests, having been thoroughly refuted as to the origins of the Anglican Church,
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seems to be getting a little worked une. He now states that since the
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opening of the Bible to her people, God has favored England as no other
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nation since Israel. They answer, England has progressed materially, but no argument
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can be deduced from that. God gives temple benefits to good and bad alike.
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Spiritual blessings are the real blessings. England has rapidly drifted into irreligion altogether,
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and the book you say she has opened to her people is being torn
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to shreds and ridiculed by Englishmen in a way which Catholic reference toward the Word
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of God would never tolerate. He then says Christian conditions came to England with
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Protestantism, which is absolutely ludicrous. England was among the most advanced centers of
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Christianity in the world. I mean it was filled with churches and schools and
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hospitals and orphanages, and I mean the conditions of man were being brought to
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a higher state than they ever had been on Earth. With the advent of
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Anglicanism came a genocide against Catholic English subjugation and genocide of the Irish, subjugation
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of the Scots, the Welsh caste system of higher class in lower class,
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the poverty we read about, like in Dickens's novels, the reintroduction of slavery.
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Things were very much not better. That's a really awgard way to put
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it. Things were much worse in Protestant England than they ever were in Catholic
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England. England even now looks back at that period as a golden age,
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the age of chivalry and all that. I mean, it's just an absolutely
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foolish statement. Now, you would have to say. On the other hand,
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advances were being made in technology that made some people's lives easier, obviously,
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But for it to say that the whole of England was better off,
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no, no, absolutely not. This is it was under Protestant England that
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England began trying to become an empire, waging wars of conquest, and most
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of the people of England wanted nothing to do with it. It was called
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press ganging. They would go out England wanted to go invade somewhere, and
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they just go out, pull people office to knock them out, put drugs
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in their drinks, force them to go on ships and act in their Royal
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Navy or in trade vessels. I mean there were no human rights under Protestant
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England essentially unless you were in the upper class. That was not true under
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Catholic England at all. There was a huge difference between Shakespeare and Dickens.
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I mean, let's just put it that way. I mean, anyway the
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answer. Christian conditions are rapidly fading in England as a result of Protestantism.
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Protestant gave men so called liberty to think for themselves, and men have interpreted
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it as licensed to think whatever they please. The person says, England would
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still be Catholic had not men taken to thinking, which is utterly absurd.
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Utterly absurd. Again, go back and read Shakespeare who was Catholic. Again,
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go back and read Saint Thomas Moore, the greatest legal mind of all
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time. They had the greatest schools and medical schools arguably in the world,
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a certainly a rival to anything in France or in Rome. They answer.
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Englishmen left the Catholic Church originally through fear of their property and their lives.
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That's right. If you did not become Anglican, if you wouldn't swear to
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the king, if you were main Catholic, they took your property and then
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they killed you. At the very least, they took your property and forced
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you into an indentured servitude or being an absolutely starvation level lower class. Not
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many desired to share the fate of Saint Thomas Moore and dear Old Henry the
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eighth had the delightful habit of confiscating all the possessions of those who would not
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transfer their allegiance from the pope to himself. Four hundred years have dimmed the
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memory of these things, and no real thought is given to the matter by
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the average Englishmen. With those who can and do think are rapidly giving up
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Protestantism and becoming either Agnostics or Catholics. Unfortunately, there is no particular prejudices
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against becoming an Agnostic, whilst there is still a strong lingering prejudice against becoming
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a Catholic. Also, to become a Catholic requires more thinking than to become
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an agnostic and thinking is too much like hard work on such an unimportant matter
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as the rights of God of a mankind. You know, I mean I
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say this as someone with about a good third English heritage whose family were English
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Catholics, and the House of Wessex wants Kings of England. And yes,
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this is exactly what happened. And you know also a third Irish. And
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you know, I can tell you a whole lot about the horrors of what
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the English Protestants have done to Catholics in Ireland, whom they consider to be
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less than human, less than dogs. And the person says, can you
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give me six short reasons why you left Anglicanism? He said, certainly.
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One it's a national church. It's a church of a nation, is the
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English Church. Two it has no Apostolic succession. Three it has no spiritual
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authority. Four it omidst much biblical teaching. Five it is chaotic and contradictory
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in so much as it does retain. And six it has produced no saints
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of his own. There are many other reasons, but us for six interesting
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is that there are no Anglican saints. Catholic Church has hundreds thousands. I
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mean, you know the let's see, well, we'll get two more questions
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from this person. That's going to wrap up. I think the Anglican section,
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actually, they says. He says, the Roman Church is built upon
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one interpretation of Scripture, the Anglican upon another. The latter may be as
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equally right as the former. And they say, since the Anican Church is
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a contradiction of the Catholic Church, it could not possibly be equally as right.
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If one of the two is right, the other must be wrong.
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Meanwhile, the Anglican Church is not based upon scripture. It is based upon
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the revolt of Henry the aids from the Catholic Church. Later on, interpretations
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were read into scripture to suit the church and founded. That is a matter
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of history. Many other non Catholic churches have been originally based upon peculiar misinterpretations
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of scripture, and it would be possible to build up hundreds of other churches
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upon further misrepresentations, as has happened. The Catholic Church, however, whilst
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in full accord with the true sense of Scripture, is not built upon it.
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She existed before even a line of the New Testament was written. Her
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members wrote the New Testament, and she tells us what they really meant when
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they wrote it. She is built upon the historical person of Christ and proves
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her divine commission by her continued possession of the attributes Christ conferred upon her.
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Now that the Gospels are written, they confirm her claims when rightly interpreted.
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But that is all. If not a line of the New Testament had ever
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been written, the Catholic Church would still be here. Yes, truly,
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Jesus left us a church, not a Bible. The Church gave us the
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Bible. And finally, he says, Anglican ministers are just as good and
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intelligent as you are, and have studied the Bible just as deeply, and
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they answer for the sake of argument. Let's suppose that to be true.
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But that does not make the Anglican Church true. If they are just as
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learned as Catholic priests, so are Catholic priests learned as they so too,
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they are just as good. And if learning and character of Anglican ministers make
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the Anglican Church true, so the learning and character of Catholic priests would make
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the Catholic Church true. You're forced to the conclusion that the Anglican Church is
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the only true church, and the Catholic Church is also the only true church.
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But you cannot have two only true churches. That's a that's a good
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way to take a part an argument. That's a good logical way to take
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a part an argument. When someone says this is just as good as that,
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or this is just as true as that, you could say, but
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there's one truth and they don't agree. Therefore we have to look at which
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one is true. All right, Now, let's get into the Father Sparago's
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book, and we're going to now very appropriately. That's it was wonderful all
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these two come together. I actually did not plan this when I thought,
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you know, I'll take radio replies and I'm going to read a couple questions
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and answers a day. That's going to be like apologetics, you know,
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and then I'm going to get into the Catechism. I knew I wanted to
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use Father Sparago's Catechism because it's fantastic. I mean, I think it's literally
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the best book in say, modern times. And this is eighteen ninety written
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as an explanation of the Catechism. I mean, I'm not going to get
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into you know, Thoms Aquinas and all that. But this is I'm talking
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modern times, and it's much easier for a modern audience to understand. I
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had no idea how these two were going to mesh together. Is like one
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is actually explaining the other, and I think it's just fantastic. You know,
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I don't believe anything happens by coincidence. This is the notes of the
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True Church, the notes of the true Church. In other words, how
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do you identify the true Church? When, says Saint Cyprian, the devil
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saw that the worship of idols was abolished and the Heathen temples empty, he
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bethought him of a new poison and led men into error under cover of the
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Christian religion, the poison of false doctrine and pride, through which more than
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two hundred churches have started up in opposition to the true Church found it by
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Christ. Saint Cyprian said that in our time, it's more like fifty thousand,
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depending on how you count Protestant denominations, fifty thousand churches, each of
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which disagree with each other, all of whom all of which I guess disagree
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with the Catholic Church, and each of which is founded upon and teaches some
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level of error. Some are absolute wackado, and some are you know,
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somewhat close to Catholic teaching. All are founded on error and teach error.
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Father Spiago continues, Now God has ordained that men should come to the knowledge
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the truth, i e. That of the True Church, as distinguished from
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all others by certain marks. These are the marks of the Church. The
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true Church is the one that is the most persecuted by the world, and
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which has receives God's seal in the form of miracles. Christ and spoke to
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his disciples of these persecutions. The servant is not rare that his master.
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If they have persecuted me, they would persecute you John fifteen twenty. They
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would deliver you up in councils, and they would scourge you in their synagogues.
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You shall be hated by all men for my name's sake, Matthew ten
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seventeen through twenty two. Yay, the hour cometh that whosoever killeth you will
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think that he doth a service to God John sixteen two. And you may
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remember that Saint Paul started out just that way, you know, killing Christians,
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thinking he was doing something as service to God, because you are not
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of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. Therefore
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the world hateth you John fifteen nineteen. Never in the history of the Catholic
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churches have been freed from persecution, very very true, especially to this day.
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Catholics are persecuted in more mild forms here in the United States, even
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though the FBI is now arresting people for praying in front of abortion clinics,
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praying the Rosary, spying in traditional Catholic churches more vehemently in Canada. But
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the Catholic Church in China, for instance, is a persecuted church. The
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Catholic Church in Nigeria is an armenia, and it can go down the list.
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Yeah, they don't just go after Christians in general. They go after
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the Catholics first. I think that was the oh what was his name,
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famous Lutheran minister in Germany talking about the Nazis. You know, when they
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came after the Jews, I didn't say a thing because it wasn't a Jew.
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When they came after the Catholics, I didn't say things because it was
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a Catholic. Now they came after me. You know, they're always going
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to come after the Catholics and Jews first, you know, they come after
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the chosen people of God, and then they come after the church He founded.
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They don't really care so much about feel good megachurches, your joel ostein
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types. You know, they don't worry about them a whole lot at all.
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The Apostles, especially Saint Paul, were objects of hate to the Jews,
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and Saint John testifies that their hatred of Christians had not died out in
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his day, maybe about one sixty six AD. The present day is not
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wanting in examples and the sufferings inflicted on religious communities and the interference of secular
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governments and things spiritual in the opposition made to processions and meetings and other devout
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practices. Could any church be the true Church, which is not the opposite
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of the spirit of the world. Then Two, it is only in the
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Catholic Church that we have miracles, those, for instance, of the Apostles,
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all the Saints, All that the Saints worked in their lifetime and after
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death, either at the graves or be the application of their relics. We
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know that God would work miracles only in confirmation of the truth. Point two.
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The true Church is that one in which the successor of Saint Peter's be
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found. The church rests upon the Rock and the rock as Saint Peter thou
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art upon this rock, I will build my church Matthew twenty eight twenty.
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Where Peter is there is the church at Saint ambroseero point three. The true
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Church is known by the following fore march. She is one Catholic and Apostolic.
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The true Church is one. She has at all times and in all
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places, the same doctrine, the same means of grace, and only one
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head. Truth can only be one. Hence the teaching of the church cannot
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change. Christ wished his church to be one. He prayed at the Last
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Supper John seventeen twenty. I believe there shall be one fold and one shepherd
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John ten sixteen. He appointed one head for the whole church John twenty one
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seventeen. The Catholic Church is one. Her catechism the world over teaches precisely
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the same doctrine. Everywhere. The Holy Sacrifice is offered in the sacraments given
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in the same way. The same ceremonies and feasts are observed all over the
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world, which the pope is head of the church. If there were anti
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popes, it is nonetheless true that someone was the true pope. The existence
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of many pretenders to a throne does not exclude the claim of the true king.
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Nor can heresy destroy this unity. For the heretic who refuses to submit
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is no longer a member of the church. None need accuse the Church of
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want of progress, because it holds fast to its old established doctrines. There
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is no true progress in giving up the truth and adopting error. The truth
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cannot change. Hence, say, you know, my French pronunciation is not
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They could. Yeah, I'm a third French, but still they could.
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The French I kind of grew up all It was more like the kind of
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French you might hear around Louisiana. Not so much proper French anyway. Hence
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he might say, well, Protestantism, thou art changeable. Therefore thou can'st
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not be the truth. It's a nice way of putting it true too.
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The Church is holy e it has the means and the endeavor to lead all
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men to holiness. Christ founded the Church for the very purpose of making men
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holy. The Catholic Church is holy all its teaching is lofty and pure.
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The great principle underlying its commands are self denial and the love of one's neighbor.
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All its sacraments, and especially penance in the Holy Euchress, are of
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great aid to the sanctification of mankind, and the complete following out of the
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evangelical councils can lead a man to the highest point of perfection. Moreover,
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the Catholic Church as a host of saints whose holiness is attested to by miracles.
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The misdeeds of some members or abuses occurring within the church or do not
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the church, but to the perversity of men. Even among the apostles,
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there was a traitor, and Christ compared some members of the church to weeds
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and worthless fish. Can anybody be holy which adopts Luther's teaching that faith alone
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is sufficient for salvation and good works unnecessary, or doctrine that some men are
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predestined by God to hell fire, Or any church which on its own confession
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owns that none of its members have been saints and their sanctity confirmed by miracles.
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Three the churches universal or Catholic I eve she is empowered to receive men
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into her Bosom in all places, in at all times. Christ died for
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all men, and on ascending to heaven, gave his apostles submission to teach
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to all nations of earth till the end of time Matthew or is that twenty
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eight to twenty Hence the Church was meant to be for all nations, and
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this is confirmed by the miracles of tongues. At the First Pentecost. The
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apostles are given the ability to speak all languages, to understand all languages,
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as are all the saints in heaven. Because they share in that divine nature
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of Christ. The Catholic Church is universal. Her teaching applies to all people,
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the Polish, Greek, victorious Roman, the rude Barbarian, as well
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as the outcast slave. At present, the Church has spread over the whole
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world. Heretics are everywhere since Saint Augustine, but no particular heresy is everywhere.
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Again, he gives the numbers of the church in eighteen ninety, and
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it was the largest church in the world. It still is today. It's
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actually much larger. But anyone can then any church which depends entirely on the
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government, for as in since the Russian Church or the Anglican which is Holy
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National in England, be the true church, or can one which has no
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real success amon the he then have a claim to truth. For the church's
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apostolic ie. She comes down from the time of the Apostles, for teaching
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is always what it was in the time of the Apostles, and her ministers
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are legitimate successors of the Apostles. The church has built on the foundation of
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the Apostles, of which Christ is the cornerstone Ephesians two twenty. That is
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the true church, says Saint Jerome, which was founded by the Apostles and
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endures into the present day. The Catholic Church, which is apostolic, it
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has lasted nineteen hundred years. Well, I guess we're what two thousand years
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now. Luther himself confessed that it was the oldest. Obviously, many actually
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many Baptists and other Protestants now deny that the Catholic Church is the oldest church.
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They say there was some church before it, And you know, you
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could show in the words of Martin Luther, you know, that might convince
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them. Probably won't. Just ask them to show you some archaeological evidence of
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an earlier church, any earlier church one writing, one building one anything.
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There isn't any The teachings of the oldest followers agrees perfectly with our catechism,
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and our services are substantially the same as those are the First Age. It's
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true the d dot K, which is the teachings of the Twelve written before
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the New Testament was even completed, before the Bible was compiled, is essentially
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identical, just shorter, much shorter. It's only I don't even know of
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maybe twenty to thirty pages as a modern catechism. As the Catechism of the
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Catholic Church, I mean the one that came out, you know, just
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a couple of decades ago, that Pope John Paul the Second signed off on.
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You will read the exact same things in both The consideration of these notes
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and Marx has in the course of ages led many of the noblest men into
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the bosom of the Catholic Church. It is remarkable that the men of the
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greatest learning in virtue, have, even in the face of great sacrifices,
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entered the Catholic Church, while those who have deserted it have generally shown by
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their lives what they really were. We have reason to rejoice in our religion,
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that it offers us such special consolation and trouble and at the hour of
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death. Thus, this is another one I have trouble with. Melanthon M
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E l A n c tho. In one of these days, I am
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going to have to, like I don't know, get babbel or something and
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learn proper French melansomp I guess wrote in his wrote to his Catholic mother,
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the Protestant faith is the best one in Oh, yes, now I remember
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who this was. He yes, A M E l A N c th
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h O N. He was a Lutheran. He was a contemporary of Martin
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Luther. And he may have been Swiss maybe, But anyway, he said
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in a letter to his mother, the Protestant faith is the best one to
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live in, but the Catholic faith the best to die in. And again
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the new religion makes the best show. The Catholic gives most security. So
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here was a Lutheran who had abandoned the Catholic Church admitting that, well,
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it might be a whole lot more fun to be Protestant, and it is.
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Trust me, I've been Protestant. You'll have a whole lot more fun
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in an Evangelical Protestant church and a Baptist church. Especially if you're single,
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they have singles groups. They have a lot of stuff that we probably ought
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to have in the Catholic Church. You know, we go into church silently.
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We you know Geni Fleck Neil, sit silently, We do our Catholic
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calisthenics. We only acknowledge each other the sign of the Greed, sign of
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peace, and then we leave silently, get in the cars and drive away.
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There is like for most of us, especially single folks over the age
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of eighteen or after college especially, I'll just put it that way. After
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college, if you're still single, there is nothing you're invited to at that
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church until you If you have kids, it's different. You're retired. They
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have things for, you know, the old folks. We could definitely bring
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a lot more people into the church by adopting some of those social you know,
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fellowship programs that Protestant churches have. I am a huge advocate for that,
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especially because I'm a single guy and I'd love to meet a single Catholic
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woman and actually have a chance of getting married. There aren't many single Catholic
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women where I live in the mountains of North Carolina, believe it or not.
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I'm usually the only single guy between the age of eighteen and eighty when
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I walk into a church, and usually the only Southerner as well. But
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that's not the point. Protestantism takes away all the burdens and going to confession
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and worrying about what's a mortal sin and what's a venial sin? And you
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know, I mean Martin Luther even advised one of his lady and his congregation
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to have extramural affairs. I mean, they got rid of all notion of
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you do that and you're going to help basically, So yeah, they could
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have a lot more fun as a Protestant, and in England and well in
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Germany at that time, they could be a lot more prosperous and successful because
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the Catholics are being persecuted. But here is one of the founders of the
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Lutheran Church saying, I'll quote it again because you're going to want to learn
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this quote. I use it a lot. I can't pronounce his name.
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I'm gonna have to figure that out anyway. The Protestant faith is the best
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one to live in, but the Catholic is the best to die. Him
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and the new religion that is Protestantism makes the best show, but the Catholic
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gives the most security. In other words, we have the most hope of
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actually going to Heaven. See all, I wrap it up there, let's
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again. I forgot to do this last time. With the words of Saint
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Padre Pio, pray, hope and don't worry, and I'll talk to you
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next time.