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Epstein Files Unsealed: The Ghislaine Maxwell 2019 SDNY Grand Jury Transcript (Part 5) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Glenn Maxwell Grand Jerry documents.
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  Question from what redacted told you when she got there?
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  Who else was at the ranch beside Glenn Maxwell and
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  Jeffrey Epstein? Answer it was just them? Question Was it
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  just the three of them the entire weekend of the visit?
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  Answer yes. Question were there any other school kids there?
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  Answer no? Question when they were at the ranch? From
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  what redacted told you? Did Maxwell say anything to redacted
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  about massages? Answer yes? Question did you say anything to
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  her about a foot massage? Answer yes? Question what did
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  redacted tell you about that? Answer? Maxwell told her Redacted
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  to give Epstein a foot massage, and then she showed
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  her and instructed her how to do it. Redacted was
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  a little uncomfortable, but Maxwell was joking around, so she
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  just followed her lead question did redacted tell you what
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  Maxwell and Epstein took her to the movies that weekend?
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  Answer yes. Question what did she tell you about the
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  trip to the movies? Answer she said that when they
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  went outside the theater, Maxwell was joking around and pulled
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  Epstein's pants down a little bit, and then once they
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  went inside the theater, Epstein, when they were sitting down,
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  Epstein touched Redacted's leg, He rubbed her arm, held her hand,
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  and this time he Redacted felt that he wasn't trying
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  to hide it from Maxwell. Question what was Redacted's reaction
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  to all of this? Answer? She was uncomfortable. Question during
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  the same weekend, was there another occasion when Maxwell talked
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  about massages? Answer? Yes, question what happened? Answer? Maxwell asked
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  Redacted if she ever had a massage, and Maxwell told
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  her she could give her one. So Redacted was on
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  her back and Maxwell had pulled the sheet down, exposing
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  her chest. She was nude from the top up and
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  proceeded to massage around her chest and breast area. Question
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  from what Redacted told you when she was ascribing to
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  you what you just described to the grand jury? How
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  did she feel while this was happening? Answer she felt
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  really uncomfortable. Question did he redacted also tell you about
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  an incident that happened one morning when she was in
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  New Mexico? Answer yes, Question what did she tell you happened?
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  Answer she said that she was in bed and Epstein
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  came into the room and told her that he wanted
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  to cuddle, so he laid down next to her and
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  spooned her. She told him she had to go to
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  the bathroom to get up and out of the situation.
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  Question what was her reaction to that when Epstein got
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  into her bed? Answer she was uncomfortable. She didn't know
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  what to do. Question did he Redacted go back home
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  to Arizona when the weekend was over? Answer? Yes, she did.
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  Question did she tell anyone when she got home about
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  what had happened? Answer no? Question is that for the
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  same reason you described earlier? Answer yes. Question did Epstein
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  end up paying for Redacted to go on a trip
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  to Thailand that summer? Answer yes yes. Question did or
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  Redacted have any contact with Maxwell or Epstein after that trip?
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  Answer not that she recalled. Question when you interviewed redacted?
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  What was her last What was her demeanor like when
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  she described her interaction with Epstein and Maxwell? Answer she
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  became upset emotional. Question is Redacted currently pursuing a civil
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  lawsuit against Maxwell and Epstein's estate? Answer? Yes, she is.
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  Question what does redacted do for a living now? Answer
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  she's a psychologist who works with trauma victims. Question during
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  the course of this investigation, have you interviewed someone nam
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  or redacted? Answer yes. Question For today's purpose, I'm just
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  going to refer to her as redacted. How many times
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  have you interviewed redacted? Approximately? Answer approximately three times. Question
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  turning to the next slide, is this a photograph of
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  redacted that she provided to you? Answer yes. Question And
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  did she tell you that this was taken when she
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  was in approximately sixteen or seventeen years old? Answer yes?
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  Question is redacted's date of birth? Redacted? Answer yes? Question
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  Did a redacted grow up in England? Answer yes she did.
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  Question did she tell you that their camel point when
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  she met Glaine Maxwell when she was about seventeen? Answer yes.
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  Question how did she tell you that they met? Answer
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  she said they met through a mutual friend. Question. Did
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  she tell you that this would have happened in four
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  around ninety four or ninety five? Answer yes. Question and
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  is that within the same time period that we've been
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  talking about today? Answer yes. What happened after she was
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  introduced to Glaine Maxwell from what she told you? Answer
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  she said Maxwell treated her like they were sisters. Her
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  quote was like naughty schoolgirls is how Maxwell treated with her.
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  Question did she tell you that Maxwell seemed to immediately
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  take an interest in her? Answer? Yes, question did she
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  tell you that they began spending time together in London?
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  Answer yes, question? And just to be clear, was Maxwell
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  in her thirties while this was happening? Answer yes, question
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  did Maxwell? Did redacted ever remember Maxwell ever talking about
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  having a boyfriend named Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes, question, and
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  what did she tell redacted about that? Answer? Maxwell told
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  her redacted that Epstein was going to like her. Question
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  Did there come a time when she was seventeen that
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  redacted describe that Maxwell introduced her to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes, question,
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  How did she describe that occurring? Answer? Epstein had flown
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  to London. He was at Maxwell's residence in London and
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  Maxwell had called or adacted over, so she went over
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  and she got there. Maxwell was saying to Epstein kind
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  of the words redacted used, was giving him a resume
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  of her tributes, saying she's so pretty, she's so strong,
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  and then Maxwell asked her to give Epstein a massage.
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  Question Now you testified just a moment ago that Maxwell
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  that redacted described to you that Maxwell asked her to
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  give Epstein a massage during this first meeting. Is that correct?
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  Answer yes. Question did Maxwell say to her and some
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  in substance, since you are so strong, I'd appreciate it
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  if you give Jeffrey a massage because he needs a
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  massage every day, or I get in trouble? Answer yes,
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  she said that. Question is that what redacted said to
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  you and some in substance? Answer yes. Question when that happened?
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  Did redacted or remember Maxwell leading her to a room
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  in the house? Answer yes. Question what happened? Answer when
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  redacted when in the room, Epstein was in a robe.
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  He took off his robe and she started massaging him,
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  and then he touched his redacted and pulled her hand
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  to his penis. Question what does redacted remember Epstein saying
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  when he did this? Answered don't be frigid? Question what
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  was her reaction when this happened? From what she told you?
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  Answer she was taken aback by it. Question why this
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  episode ended and redacted left the room? Did she tell
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  you that she remembered Maxwell being just outside the room
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  when she left? Answer yes. Question did you remember Maxwell
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  saying to her? Did you have fun? Did you like it? Answer? Yes.
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  Question does she remember Maxwell calling her several days afterwards
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  or at some short period of time afterwards. Answer yes
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  she did. Question did Redacted remember Maxwell saying to her
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  on the phone call and summon substance, well aren't you
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  a clever girl? Jeffrey was very impressed? Answer yes. Question
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  shortly after this incident, does she remember Maxwell asking her
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  to come back over to the house? Answer yes. Question
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  and when she got there, did she tell you she
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  remembered Maxwell saying to her in substance, thank God you're here.
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  If it's not you or someone, it falls to me.
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  Answer yes. Question does she remember Maxwell bringing her up
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  the stairs to that on that occasion? Answer yes she did.
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  Question what does she remember happening when Maxwell opened the
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  door of the room. Answer Epstein was standing their nude.
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  Question Does she remember Maxwell then saying I'll leave you
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  guys to it? Answer yes. Question After these first two encounters,
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  did Epstein and Maxwell invite Redacted to travel with them
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  the Palm Beach, US, Virgin Islands, Paris, and New York
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  for the next several years? Answer yes they did. Question
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  does she remember whether these trips began before or after
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  her sixteenth birthday? Answer she couldn't remember specifically. Question before
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  these trips started. You were describing earlier when Redacted told
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  you about the time that she spent with Maxwell when
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  they first met when she was seventeen. Is that right?
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  Answer yes. During these conversations when she would spend time
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  with Maxwell, did a Redacted or remember talking with her
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  about her life and her family and her personal circumstances
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  with Maxwell. Answer yes. Yes. Question now you testified a
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  moment ago that Redacted told you that at some point
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  she began traveling with Maxwell and Epstein, and she wasn't
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  sure whether or not whether these trips started before she
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  turned eighteen. Is that right answer yes. Question did redacted
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  describe to you that Epstein sexually abused her during these trips,
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  typically in the context of sexualized massage. Answer yes she did.
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  Question did Epstein give her money? Answer yes. Question did
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  she tell you that he would give her cash? Answer yes.
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  Question did she describe to you that the abuse included,
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  among other things, Epstein groping her and using a massage
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  or device on her genitals? Answer yes. Question and what
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  was the massage device like a vibrator? Answer yes, it was.
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  Question from what redacted told you was Maxwell in the
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  room during these encounters. Answer Maxwell wasn't in the room.
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  Question what did she tell you what typically happened when
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  Redacted left the room after these episodes? Was Maxwell typically nearby?
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  Answer yes, she was usually right near the room. Question
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  does she remember Maxwell asking her after she'd leave the
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  room for one of these sessions? How was it? Is
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  he happy? Answer yes. Question did she also tell you
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  that she remembers Maxwell telling her at some point and
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  summon substance. You know how he is when he's not happy,
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  and you know what makes him happy? He asked to
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  have sex all the time. He is like a superhero.
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  Answer yes, she said that. Question did redacta tell you
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  about an incident that occurred after she turned eighteen in
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  Palm Beach when she was staying at the Palm Beach House.
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  Answer yes. Question did the incident she described to you
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  involve a schoolgirl outfit? Answer yes it did. Question could
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  you please describe for the grand jury what redacted told
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  you about that incident? Answer? Redacted said that Maxwell had
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  shown her to a bedroom and on the bed was
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  a schoolgirl outfit, and Maxwell told her when Redacted confronted
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  her about it, and Maxwell said, well, I thought it
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  would be adorable if you gave Jeffrey his tea in
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  this so Redacted felt like she had to put it on,
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  So she put it on, took Epstein his tea, and
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  Epstein then slapped her on the buttocks and reached under
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  the skirt and touched her. Question what was her demeanor
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  like when she described this incident to you? Answer? She
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  was crying. She was very upset when Redacted described seeing
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  the school girl outfit and talking to Maxwell about it.
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  Did you remember Maxwell telling her don't be so frigid?
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  Answer yes. Question does you remember that later in the day,
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  after she had delivered Epstein's tea and he assaulted her.
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  Does she remember Maxwell telling her I heard you did well? Answer? Yes.
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  All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here,
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  and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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  gonna pick up where we left off. All of the
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