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From Everyday Care to Oncology Skincare · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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  Hello, and welcome to another episode of Chatting With The Experts, where I
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  speak with phenomenal women from Africa, from the Caribbean, and in the diaspora.
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  They share my mission, which is to educate, to empower, and
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  to encourage women globally.
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  The title of today's show is Do We Need Estheticians?
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  And to tell us why would be my guest, who's gonna join me in a few minutes.
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  She has been in practice for over six years, and she's certified
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  in chemical peels, in oncology skin care, and acne care as well.
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  She's also certified in holistic nutrition health.
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  And with that, I want to welcome Jenifer Hester to Chatting With
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  The Experts . Welcome Jenifer.
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  Hi, Paula.
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  Thank you so much for having me.
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  I really, really appreciate the opportunity to help educate your audience
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  and as to why estheticians are necessary.
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  Thank you for saying yes.
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  I never take it for granted.
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  And so with that, tell me why are estheticians necessary?
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  So I'd like to first start out with what an esthetician is.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So basically, I am a licensed skin care professional.
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  I took over 600 hours of learning about the skin, the skin barrier,
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  the illnesses of the skin, how to treat acne and things like that.
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  And, also, I specialize in non- medical, non-invasive skin treatments.
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  And my ... I do also continuing education rather to stay on top of
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  the trends, that's going on in the beauty industry to make sure that
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  I'm providing my clients with the latest and best skin care for them.
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  Yeah.
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  Wow.
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  Latest and the best skin care for them.
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  Yeah.
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  That's great.
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  And you did over 600 hours.
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  That's a lot of time.
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  It sure is.
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  It sure is.
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  We learn about the biology of skin, the anatomy, what to do, what not
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  to do, so it's very important.
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  All those 600 hours, yes, and then some.
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  And then some.
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  So what are the types of things that you can help with?
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  Because sometimes I hear I know I have heard some people ask,
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  what's the difference between an esthetician and a dermatologist?
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  Yeah, so I can speak to that for sure.
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  So we all know that a dermatologist is a medical doctor.
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  They take or they go to school for over 12 years.
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  They have a residency.
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  They are board-certified.
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  Whereas... and I should say also that they can do surgery on the skin.
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  They can treat and diagnose actual skin illnesses such as like skin cancer,
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  eczema, psoriasis, things like that.
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  And now the difference between them and an esthetician is I am licensed
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  by the State that I am practicing in to treat the outer layer of the skin.
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  So I cannot go beneath that surface within my license.
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  I can treat acne.
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  I can identify maybe possibly the need for you to see a dermatologist.
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  If I see something on the skin that looks like it's out of my
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  scope, that's when I'll recommend you to go to a dermatologist.
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  I can give you facial treatments forgive me.
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  Facial treatments, skin analysis, so I can tell you about your skin type.
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  I can help you with selecting the proper products to treat your particular skin.
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  Along with that skin analysis, if I see acne or anything like that,
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  just help you treat those daily issues that you have with your skin.
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  Hmm.
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  All right.
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  I see.
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  So chemical peels.
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  I'm always hearing that about people going for chemical peels, and these
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  days I see a lot of women in particular doing their own chemical peels.
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  Ooh, it always looks so painful.
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  Yeah.
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  So chemical peels are one of the best types of exfoliation-
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  Mm-hmm
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  that we can do to our skin without being invasive.
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  So we don't go, you know, in terms of surgery.
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  So chemical peel just basically an acid that is applied to the skin.
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  So it is a structured way of creating tiny wounds under the
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  skin, and those wounds help the skin to actually promote collagen.
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  It sloughs off any dead skin cells, anything on the surface.
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  It pushes everything from the inside out, so it's creating new skin that will come
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  from the inside and push its way out.
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  Everything, as it's pushing out, comes out of the skin, comes off the skin.
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  So all the impurities.
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  It helps with acne.
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  It helps to minimize the pores.
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  If you wanna get that nice glow that you, that youthful glow that you had,
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  that you're not feeling so much lately, that's what a chemical peel is good for.
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  Yeah, one of the best.
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  I give myself chemical peels every now and then.
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  Uh, you saw my face, 'cause it always feels, to me, like it's
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  something that is invasive.
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  You know?
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  That probably I'm reacting to the word "chemical".
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  Right, exactly.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So it could just be different levels.
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  I give myself light peels because I don't have acne.
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  I don't really have any hyperpigmentation that I'm trying to treat.
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  I would say with that, the scariness of it being a chemical, it really
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  depends on the level and the depth that you're going, right?
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  So if I'm giving you a chemical peel, mine are less... uh, I can't think of the word.
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  Um, they are not as strong as what a physician would give you.
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  So if a physician will give you a medical grade peel, that one goes much
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  deeper into your epidermis, right?
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  So mine basically goes right under that first layer.
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  So even though I have light, medium, and deep for that, mine is more of a
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  superficial versus medical grade depth.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  All right.
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  So when I see people doing their own, like in-house, most likely
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  they're doing the lighter ones, not-
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  Uh, most definitely.
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  Most definitely.
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  Because for anyone to be able to do a chemical peel, usually the
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  company that you get the chemical peel from will give you a training.
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  They only give you that training if you are a licensed esthetician, a
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  licensed nurse practitioner, or a medical professional, a physician.
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  Usually if you're buying it on the market, um, I may not wanna, wanna do
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  that, and I probably wouldn't advise for anyone to decide, "I'm gonna
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  do a chemical peel myself," because you could really hurt yourself-
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  Ah
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  ... if you don't know what you're doing.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  And so you've been doing this for six years.
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  That tells me that prior to that you were in another profession.
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  I sure was.
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  I was in big pharma, uh, corporate.
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  I was an analyst in their quality department.
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  So I was responsible for making sure that the medication had the proper labeling.
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  I was responsible for making sure that other groups were following the
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  correct protocols to ensure safety.
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  When those medications reach the public, they need to be
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  safe, they need to be accurate.
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  All methods for forming the medications, all ingredients for forming the
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  medications have to be followed.
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  Everything has to be structured and followed to the T. And so
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  that's what I did with my life for the past, uh, 15 plus years.
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  And then I decided it was time to come out of that, because this was inside of me.
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  This was what motivated me and makes me feel good doing this part.
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  Let's talk, that's, that's purpose.
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  You felt that...
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  yes
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  ... was your purpose.
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  That was your calling.
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  That's what made you get up in the morning and sing and say, "Yep."
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  Absolutely.
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  This is not work for me.
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  This is all pleasure.
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  I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoy being able to help women, men,
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  children, anyone with skin conditions that take away their confidence,
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  that take away their inner glow.
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  It brings me such pleasure to be able to return that back to them.
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  Mm. To make them realize that they've always had that glow.
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  You know, just a little hyperpigmentation here or there doesn't stop the show.
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  Let's take care of that.
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  Let's help you get back to who you are.
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  Mm. That's what brings me pleasure doing skincare.
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  All right, I can hear that.
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  Just your voice changed, the inflection in your voice changed.
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  Your eyes changed- ... just talking about this.
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  Yeah.
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  You know?
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  I love this, yes, yes.
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  Oh, my word.
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  So when you do chemical... uh, not chemical.
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  I see chemicals ingrained in my mind.
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  You talked about big pharma and we straight off of chemical peels.
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  Right.
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  So, yeah.
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  Right, right.
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  So when you talk about oncology skincare, yeah.
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  Yeah, so that's definitely something that is growing more and more, because we're
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  learning more and more about skincare and cancer, the big C-word, right?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So when a person is diagnosed and once they start getting treatments,
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  the skin changes because those treatments are doing a lot internally.
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  Everything that's done internally has to come out.
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  Mm. It comes out through our pores, through, um- elimination.
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  And it also comes out through the skin.
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  So the skin does develop changes, right?
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  And as a result also, you go through surgery for some treatment, you go
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  through radiation for other treatments.
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  And those things also affect our lymph system and skin as well.
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  When we're doing skin care, you cannot do the same things for someone who
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  is undergoing chemotherapy or other treatments that you can for someone
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  who has never gone through that, right?
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  So we're learning the differences in how you treat someone who's going
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  through it versus someone who isn't.
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  You can't do certain types of massage movements because that
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  could create fluid retention.
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  We don't want that, obviously, with anyone.
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  But there's also other things that you can do to help their skin.
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  When they're going through radiation, they get burns on their skin.
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  We have different types of treatments that will help that type of burning
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  to prevent it from scarring, from leaving hyperpigmentation, uh,
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  and different things like that.
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  So it's very important that when you're undergoing chemotherapy or any type
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  of cancer treatment to seek someone who does have that background, because
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  you don't want someone saying, "Okay, let's do a chemical peel on your
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  radiation burns or your surgery scars from, you know, how they had to do a
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  lumpectomy or something like that."
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  You wouldn't want someone just applying anything to your skin.
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  You want them to have that knowledge so that you're getting
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  the best care that you can.
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  You've gone through a lot or you're going through a lot, and you wanna
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  make sure that professional understands this and knows how to treat you
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  as you're going through this.
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  Yeah, I do see that.
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  So you said it's becoming more, um, people have become a lot more
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  aware of the importance of their-
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  Yes.
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  Yeah
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  ... of an esthetician who is trained in oncology specifically.
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  Absolutely.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Knowledge is power.
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  Knowledge is power.
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  Knowledge is indeed power.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And would you say that it's best to have...
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  Well, as you say, knowledge is power.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Would you say it's best to have the, you know, this treatment done
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  prior to the going in for radiation-
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  Yeah.
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  So- ... or during and after, or,
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  you know?
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  Right.
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  That's actually a good question for someone who- is diagnosed and they
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  are concerned about the changes that can happen to their skin- Mm
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  they can seek out an oncology-trained esthetician-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... who will help them to prep their skin- Mm ... prior to receiving radiation so that
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  they can protect it as much as possible.
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  Of course, there's only so much that can be done because radiation
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  is, it could be very strong.
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  But when you jump in in the beginning and help to prevent certain outcomes, I
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  think that gives you a leg up, of course.
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  And as you're going through chemotherapy or radiation, whatever type of therapy
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  it is, whether it's the pill form of chemo or the infusion form, there's
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  lots of things that can be done to, you know, help with the skin.
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  And having someone who is oncology trained, they can help you from the
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  beginning to during and after treatment.
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  Yeah.
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  Wow.
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  It's good to know.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's something- Definitely ... good to
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  know.
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  Yeah.
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  With, um, so many more people I know who are being diagnosed-
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  Yeah
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  ... This is something that I'm happy that you've spoken about that-
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  Absolutely
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  ... 'cause this may be so helpful.
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  Yes, absolutely.
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  I think it's, you know, at one time in your life where you're
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  going through so much mentally-
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  Yes
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  emotionally, and physically.
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  And to have someone who understands all of that and is able to treat
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  you and bring you comfort, not only physically but also, emotionally-
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  Yes
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  ... I think that's really important to have someone who is on your care
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  team who can provide you with that.
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  Yeah.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, because I mean, as you said, emotionally, mentally-
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  Mm-hmm
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  but a lot of times, especially, well, I was gonna say, especially women, but
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  these days it's both men and women.
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  They're concerned about the outcome, you know?
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  Yeah.
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  Hopefully they're surviving, but then-
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  Right
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  ... after surviving now- outwardly, physically, what
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  would their skin look like?
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  Yeah.
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  'Cause that's the biggest organ, you know?
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  Yes, yes.
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  That part, that part.
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  You know, and when I was saying that I enjoy bringing back that glow, that inner-
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  Mm
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  ... smile.
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  You know, when you go through such treatments, it can really drain you
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  of your energy, your light, right?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And having someone who can truly understand this and knows the dos and the
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  don'ts of what can and cannot be done, um, that, that can really make a difference.
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  It can really help to bring you back to your original happy self.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Remembering that, okay, I did go through something that was very difficult,
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  devastating even, but now I have this great person on my healthcare team.
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  Mm.
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  Because I am a part of a healthcare system.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Right?
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  Not just facials, not just beauty, but-
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  Yes
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  a part of health.
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  I help to reduce anxiety, stress, you know, trauma, things like that.
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  So, I think this is definitely one of those services that is pretty
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  necessary in this realm of being diagnosed with such an illness that
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  can be very devastating to you.
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  Thanks for pointing out something, or throwing light on
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  something that many people don't associate with your profession,
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  you know?
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  Right.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So, I know we, I won't say we digressed, but we pointed out or we highlighted
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  an aspect, um, your profession that many people were not aw- or at least let's
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  talk for myself, I wasn't aware of.
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  Sure.
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  And I'm sure many people are not aware of.
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  Okay.
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  But then when and how often, if we're talking, if we're going
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  back to the beauty side of it-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... when and how often should one see an esthetician?
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  So that's a great question, right?
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  People often think of an esthetician or having a facial as, like, a luxury item.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  But I'll bring us back to being diagnosed with an illness.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I'll add onto that and say it's not just when you're going through an illness.
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  It's not just when you're starting to get adult acne or teenage
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  acne or hyperpigmentation.
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  An esthetician will serve as a preventative measure for you, right?
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  So I think you should see an esthetician as soon as possible.
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  If you've never seen one, go see one.
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  This is not a luxury situation here.
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  This is one of those situations where an esthetician can help identify
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  a possible problem with your skin.
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  I know that a lot of people of color feel like they are
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  not prone to get skin cancer.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I would like to say that this may be partially true.
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  Because of our melanin, we are more protected.
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  But I will say that this sun out here is a lot different from the
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  '70s, the '80s, and even the '90s.
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  Yes.
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  Right?
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  So it's really important that we do preventative care, so that we're not
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  later doing, um... Oh, gosh, I'm sorry.
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  Um, so that later we're not doing the reactive-type care.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  You know?
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  What an esthetician would do is we would analyze your skin.
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  We'll give you your skin type.
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  We'll tell you if you have acne, how's your elasticity
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  just different things like that.
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  And we would put together a program that will help prevent skin cancer,
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  help prevent acne, help prevent, loss of elasticity, help to prevent aging,
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  you know, premature aging I should say.
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  So you should always reach out and try and see an esthetician,
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  you know, as soon as you can.
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  Once you're under the care of an esthetician, it's up to that particular
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  esthetician and what was discovered during your treatment, during
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  your service, your skin analysis.
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  So normally it would be a four to six weeks.
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  But I will add that our skin has cell turnover rate of 30 to 45 days.
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  So every 30 to 45 days, the skin turns over and, we get new skin basically.
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  So I would probably say that's how often you should see your esthetician.
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  If you have normal skin and you don't have any situations, you could go
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  on the longer side of that 45 days, so say eight every eight weeks.
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  Yeah.
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  But I definitely suggest that everyone should, man, woman, child, it doesn't
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  matter, everyone should try and see an esthetician to prevent acne,
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  aging, dark spots, you know, any unwanted skin conditions, because
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  they can also help guide you to a dermatologist when it's necessary.
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  You know, I'm sure a lot of people have never said to you,
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  they're, you know, they've taken a child to see an esthetician.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I don't think many people consider children as possible clients
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  of estheticians, but this, you know, I guess that's why this is
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  titled Do You Need an Esthetician.
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  Yeah.
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah.
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  Because
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  I found out some things today that I had never thought of.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, for sure.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Estheticians are a part of daily life.
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  We are the preventers.
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  We are the people who help relieve your stress and anxiety, even if it's
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  just for an hour at that appointment.
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  These hands of mine, miracle workers, let me tell you.
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  Let me tell you.
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  It's more than just luxury.
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  It is a service that can help prevent you from having to react to, "Oh my
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  gosh, I had this spot on my face and, you know, it came out of nowhere, and
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  now all of a sudden it's skin cancer."
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  Or, you know, sometimes we have these moles that pop up, and
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  they grow and grow and grow.
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  You know, this could all be prevented had you gone to see an esthetician who
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  could direct you to a dermatologist to get it removed in the first place.
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  You know, quick things.
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  But it's definitely a necessary thing to add into your repertoire
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  of caring for your body.
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  Because your skin, being the largest organ, is also responsible for protecting
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  what's going on inside of the body, so we wanna make sure we're taking care of it.
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  It's not just the face.
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  It's the entire body that estheticians take care of.
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  That's why we need to have more of
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  ... that's right
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  estheticians.
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  Because when we hear of estheticians, we think just of the face.
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  Yeah, no.
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  And as you
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  just said, it's more than the face, it's the whole body.
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  Yes, absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  'Cause, you know, a lot of people they're like, "Oh, you know, I've
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  been itching over here, and I don't know, it's not going away."
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  It could be eczema.
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  It could be, you know, something else.
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  And a lot of us, rather than think about going to a dermatologist or even going
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  to an esthetician, we ask our friends, we ask our mother- Yeah ... we ask our
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  pa- you know, our aunties or whoever.
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  "What did you do? Did you ever have this itching?" And then, or nowadays people
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  are referring to TikTok, you know, for answers, for Google and things like that.
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  Chat.
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  Those are not the answers.
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  Those are not the answers.
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  You need a professional on your healthcare team to help guide you, to
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  help you pick out the proper products for your particular skincare needs.
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  Everything is not a one-size-fits-all.
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  That's, you know, that's one thing I do hate about, like, TikTok and, uh,
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  Instagram, social media, things like that, because you have all these people
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  with these beautiful glowing skin telling you, "Oh, this is what I use on my face
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  every day, and I get these results."
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  We have no idea if those people are actually using those products.
• 24:46
  So true.
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  But if you see an esthetician, this person can guide you based
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  on your particular skin type, your particular skin concerns and goals.
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  They're the ones who can put you on the right track so that you're not sitting
• 25:03
  there looking at TikTok or getting information from your friends and family
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  and, "Oh, I've tried this many products and none of it works," and this and that.
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  That's what an esthetician is for.
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  They can get you on the right regimen, the right routine, the right products, and
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  have you spending less money on a whole.
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  You know what I mean?
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  By putting you in the right products for your skin at one time.
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  And, you know, I will say that consistency of having this esthetician
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  in your life will guarantee the goals that you're looking for.
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  It will guarantee those, um, TikTok results, you know,
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  but with real live support.
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  I love that.
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  With real live support.
• 25:53
  That's right.
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  This is where we're gonna wrap up and open up the floor for
• 25:57
  those who are in the audience.
• 25:59
  But for those who are listening to this or viewing this on the YouTube
• 26:03
  channel, how can someone find you online who has listened and has
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  leaned in and is watching this, Jen?
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  How can they find you?
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  Absolutely.
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  So my website is www.glowtheorynj.com.
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  Uh, that's Glow Theory, NJ as in New Jersey.com.
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  You can find me on Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok at, uh, glowtheorynj as well.
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  Are you on LinkedIn?
• 26:29
  Um, I am on LinkedIn.
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  Um, but
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  I have to say
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  I don't remember my LinkedIn.
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  Don't worry.
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  You'll drop that.
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  I'll search that and I'll drop-
• 26:45
  Yeah
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  ... drop it in the chat.
• 26:46
  Oh,
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  okay.
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  Okay, perfect.
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  Okay.
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  Perfect.
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  That's lovely.
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  I've learnt so much today from you, Jen.
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  And for those of you listening or watching this on my YouTube channel,
• 26:57
  just as Jenifer has been a guest on my show, if you'd like to be a guest, I ask
• 27:02
  you to reach out to me on my website, which is chattingwiththeexperts.com.
• 27:07
  I'm also on LinkedIn.
• 27:09
  My page there is Chatting With the Experts.
• 27:13
  I'm on Instagram.
• 27:15
  My handle there is @chat_experts_podcast.
• 27:19
  I'm also on Facebook.
• 27:21
  My Facebook page there is Chatting With the Experts.
• 27:25
  And we have a YouTube channel that we'd love for you to subscribe to, so you can
• 27:31
  hear ... not hear, but you can know when the latest episode of another Chatting
• 27:40
  With the Experts has been dropped and when another woman, just like Jen, has shared
• 27:46
  such golden nuggets like she just did.
• 27:50
  So we ask you to subscribe to our YouTube channel.
• 27:54
  And I wanna thank you, Jen, for offering and sharing with me and all those who
• 28:00
  joined us today such wonderful nuggets on why we need an esthetician, not just
• 28:07
  for our face, but for our whole body, and also throwing light on the importance
• 28:15
  of oncology skin care and the...
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  yeah
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  role that estheticians have in helping people who have
• 28:24
  been diagnosed with cancer.
• 28:26
  Thank you so much.
• 28:27
  Yeah.
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  Thank you so much for the opportunity.
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  I appreciate it.
• 28:31
  Absolutely.
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  And now we open up the floor for those who joined us to ask you the
• 28:35
  questions that I forgot to ask.
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  Okay.