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The Kenny Report | 26 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: A plea from Australia's richest woman to teach our children
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  Speaker 3: about the wonderful country they live in. The Northern Territory
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  Speaker 3: rejects labor. Will the rest of the country follow? Islamist
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  Speaker 3: Extremist terrorism rears its ugly head in Europe, sending a
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  Speaker 3: clear message to Australia.
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  Speaker 2: But are we listening.
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  Speaker 3: I'll cross live to the Australian Newspaper's China correspondent, Will
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  Speaker 3: Glasgow allowed back to Beijing after four years, plus Iran's
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  Speaker 3: evil influence in the Middle East. Gematon Uni and Caroline
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  Speaker 3: Russo on the right to disconnect, and Paul Murray joins
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  Speaker 3: me to talk about the oasis comeback definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: Our national debate is full of people who pussy foot around,
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  Speaker 3: painfully obsessed with being politically correct. They won't call a
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  Speaker 3: spade a spade much part.
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  Speaker 2: Of the reason you watch this channel.
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  Speaker 3: You want some straight talking, You want people who deal
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  Speaker 3: in facts, not virtue signaling.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Australia's richest person, Gina Reinhardt, is a leading Australian who
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  Speaker 3: has the courage of her convictions, backing mining and agriculture,
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  Speaker 3: backing our Olympians, and increasingly having her say. In her
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  Speaker 3: video addresses to the news called bush Summers, she calls
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  Speaker 3: a spade a bloody shovel. Have a listen to this
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  Speaker 3: take on education and national pride.
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  Speaker 4: Teaching our children to be ashamed of our country, not
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  Speaker 4: proud of our history that has actually led us to
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  Speaker 4: have one of the greatest standards of living in the world.
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  Speaker 2: It's just so true, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: We know history is complex, and we need to talk
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  Speaker 3: about our blemishes and our failings as well as our successes.
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  Speaker 3: But it's all about context and reality, and overwhelmingly the
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  Speaker 3: story of this nation is one of ingenuity and prosperity
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  Speaker 3: of many peoples, and tolerance of democracy and freedom and
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  Speaker 3: delivering on the aspirations of families. Yet, as Gina Reinhardt
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  Speaker 3: points out, we struggle to get enough people to join
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  Speaker 3: our armed forces.
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  Speaker 4: Why would our school children want to defend our country
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  Speaker 4: in future, a country they've learned not to like, even
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  Speaker 4: to hate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've never been overtly patriotic in Australia, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not the flag waving and the parades and all of that.
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  Speaker 3: But most of us love our country and we know
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  Speaker 3: it's worth fighting for. We show that every Anzac day,
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  Speaker 3: So surely love of country is to be encouraged, and
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  Speaker 3: education is the.
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  Speaker 2: Greatest lifter of people.
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  Speaker 3: Whether you're talking about disadvantage families or disadvantaged countries, the
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  Speaker 3: best way to improve their long term prospects is to
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  Speaker 3: properly educate their children. We all know that, yet here
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of our own good fortune, we're failing
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  Speaker 3: to give our own children the best chance to make
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  Speaker 3: the most of what we've built.
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  Speaker 4: They are taught that it is wrong to say there
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  Speaker 4: are two genders. Indeed even told off if they say
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  Speaker 4: that they are being taught propaganda rather than facts, and
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  Speaker 4: work causes instead of understanding rationale and logic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, woke causes instead of logic. It doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 3: For instance, if you watch this program, you know that
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  Speaker 3: net zero by twenty fifty is technologically impossible without undermining
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  Speaker 3: our economy and our society. And you also know that
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  Speaker 3: whether Australia gets to net zero or not, it will
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  Speaker 3: make not the slightest difference to the global climate. They
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  Speaker 3: are just the facts, facts that much of the media,
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  Speaker 3: the political world and sadly our educational institutions must know,
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  Speaker 3: but chooses to ignore. And turning to the mining industry
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  Speaker 3: in which her family have been leading lights, Rheinhart reveals
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  Speaker 3: our children and not even being taught about the building
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  Speaker 3: blocks of our national economic story.
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  Speaker 4: Can you believe that in the entire high school economics
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  Speaker 4: and business curriculum, mining, coal and iron ore do not
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  Speaker 4: receive even a single mention. From the gold Russian vndigo
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  Speaker 4: to the iron ore exports of the last five decades,
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  Speaker 4: our country has been underpinned by mining. So how can
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  Speaker 4: we call this an economics and business curriculum if our
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  Speaker 4: school children don't learn what underpins so much of our economy?
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  Speaker 3: Spot on, you can't understand the history of this nation,
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  Speaker 3: or its economy, or its future unless you know about mining.
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  Speaker 3: Our abundant resources have been our bounty.
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  Speaker 2: But what about tomorrow?
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  Speaker 3: Well, tomorrow, thanks to the doomsday cult of the climate alarmists,
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  Speaker 3: to tomorrow is something our children are often taught to fear.
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  Speaker 4: School children are anxious that the world will end and
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  Speaker 4: they will die something within five to ten years. They ask,
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  Speaker 4: why should they do their homework If the world will end, it.
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  Speaker 3: Won't of course, the world will go on, and it's
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  Speaker 3: human ingenuity that will ensure our environment is protected. And
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  Speaker 3: it's our children who'll make sure that that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: And they won't be able to do any.
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  Speaker 3: Of that without electricity, without a functioning economy, without a
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  Speaker 3: good education, or without the eternal optimism of the human spirit.
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  Speaker 2: So let's not crush that.
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  Speaker 3: More people, perhaps the silent majority in business, need to
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  Speaker 3: speak up as loudly as Gina Reinhardt, just to underline
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  Speaker 3: that point. There are still plenty of people labor, the greens,
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  Speaker 3: the tills, and much of the media who are in
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  Speaker 3: complete denial about energy supplies and prices. Have a listened
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  Speaker 3: to what happens at the Bush Summit today in Bendigo.
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  Speaker 3: When the Victorian labor premier boasts about cheap renewable energy.
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  Speaker 2: It also provides not just a more secure form of energy,
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  Speaker 2: it's a cheaper form of energy.
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  Speaker 4: We're nearly at forty percent.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so how do we get excuse Ladies and Johnson. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: some in the crowd called out this nonsense, and given
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  Speaker 3: the rural setting, they used an agricultural term bs. But
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  Speaker 3: the premiere doubled down with respect to the audience.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to finish that sentence.
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  Speaker 5: Victoria has the lowest amongst the lowest wholesale energy prices
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  Speaker 5: in the national energy market.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this is just spin. This is a diversion from reality. Consumers,
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  Speaker 3: you and I and businesses, we will pay retail prices,
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  Speaker 3: not wholesale, and wholesale chargers only make up about a
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  Speaker 3: third of our bill. About half of our retail bills
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  Speaker 3: are made up of transmission, distribution, and environmental costs, all
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  Speaker 3: of the costs that are pushed up by the renewable
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  Speaker 3: energy push. Then there's the sky high generation costs when
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  Speaker 3: the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow, and
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  Speaker 3: the gas peaking plants or the coal fire generators cash
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  Speaker 3: in because demand pushes supply to the brink. And on
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  Speaker 3: that there are fresh warnings now that we're headed for
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  Speaker 3: more cost and supply crises because we're simply not extracting
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  Speaker 3: enough gas, even though we've got stacks. The latest supply
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  Speaker 3: crunch over winter is behind us, thanks partly to warmer weather,
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  Speaker 3: but we'll face another electricity crunch when power demand peaks
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  Speaker 3: in late summer, and next winter of course, could be
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  Speaker 3: very tight for gas again. In this resources rich country.
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  Speaker 3: It's a case of fossil fuels. Fossil fuels everywhere, but
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  Speaker 3: we're still pushed to the brink.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have more on this with an energy expert. Shortly.
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  Speaker 3: Europe is reeling again from shocking Islamist extremist terrorist attacks.
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  Speaker 3: Thankfully we got through the Paris Olympics with no dramas
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  Speaker 3: and all credit to the French authorities, but on the
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  Speaker 3: weekend innocent lives were taken again in Germany.
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  Speaker 2: He is ABC America.
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  Speaker 6: The terrorist group of ISIS is now claiming responsibility for
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  Speaker 6: that horrific stabbing attack in Germany. And we're just coming
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  Speaker 6: in that there has been a second arrests police rating
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  Speaker 6: a refugee housing complex near the scene of the attack.
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  Speaker 1: Tonight.
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  Speaker 7: An urgent manhunt now underway in Germany for the person
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  Speaker 7: authority say IS responsible for a violent stabbing attack in
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  Speaker 7: the city of Zoling and Friday night. Isis now claiming
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  Speaker 7: responsibility for the incident, which left at least three people
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  Speaker 7: dead and eight more injured.
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  Speaker 3: Just terrible and of course frightened for many people right
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  Speaker 3: across Europe, with knife crimes and other attacks on the
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  Speaker 3: rise in some countries. In France, an arson attack on
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  Speaker 3: a synagogue is being treated as an act of terrorism.
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  Speaker 8: Police in France say they've arrested a man suspected of
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  Speaker 8: starting fires and causing an explosion outside a synagogue in
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  Speaker 8: the country southwest. Interior Minister Gerald d'amanan said the alleged
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  Speaker 8: perpetrator had been detained. French media said the suspect was
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  Speaker 8: shot and injured by police after he opened fire on
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  Speaker 8: the officers who came to arrest.
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  Speaker 2: Him in the city of Nime.
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  Speaker 8: Prosecutors are investigating the attack as an attempted assassination linked
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  Speaker 8: to a terrorist group and destruction of property with dangerous means.
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  Speaker 3: This ongoing problem, the radicalization of some young Muslims in Europe,
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  Speaker 3: the continuing arrival of tens of thousands of illegal immigrants
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  Speaker 3: unchecked into Europe from Africa, and the ongoing war in
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  Speaker 3: the Middle East should all be silent warnings for law
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  Speaker 3: or in order and immigration officials. Here in Australia, where
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  Speaker 3: the terrorist alert level was raised from possible to probable
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  Speaker 3: earlier this month. According to our government and its main
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  Speaker 3: security agency ASIO, even terrorist sympathizers from Gaza can come
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  Speaker 3: into this country so long as their support is only
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  Speaker 3: rhetorical This is extraordinary and cannot stand. I want to
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  Speaker 3: know when the government will ask Asio to change that ruling.
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  Speaker 3: When will the government tell Asio that any supporters of
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  Speaker 3: Humas or our Qaeda, or Islamic State or Hesbalah, any
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  Speaker 3: terrorist organization must never be allowed into this country. And
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  Speaker 3: that's not a rhetorical question.
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  Speaker 2: We need an answer.
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  Speaker 3: Have a listened to these comments from seven years ago
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  Speaker 3: when the Foreign Minister of the United Arab Emirates was
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  Speaker 3: telling anyone who would listen that Europe was not taking
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  Speaker 3: the threat of terrorism seriously.
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  Speaker 9: There will come a day that we will see far
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  Speaker 9: more radical extremist and terrorists coming out of Europe because
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  Speaker 9: of lack of decision making trying to be politically correct
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  Speaker 9: or assuming that they know the Middle East and they
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  Speaker 9: know Islam and they know the others far better.
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  Speaker 2: Than we do. And I'm sorry, but that's pure ignorance. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a salient warning, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 3: And sadly the threat he identified has taken many lives since,
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  Speaker 3: no one could ever say this country has.
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  Speaker 2: Not been warned.
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  Speaker 3: We've had terror attacks here at home, we've been hit
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  Speaker 3: hard by terror attacks abroad, and we've seen all the
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  Speaker 3: disturbing trends emerge overseas, Yet we have a government that
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  Speaker 3: says you can support the bloodthirsty terrorists of Hamas and
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  Speaker 3: still come to this country. What can the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: possibly be thinking. Let's go to Perth now and catch
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  Speaker 3: up with Liberal Senator for the New South Wales Dave Shama.
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  Speaker 2: Dave, thanks for joining us again.
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  Speaker 3: These latest attacks in Europe just underscore two things, don't they.
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  Speaker 3: One is the ongoing threat of Islamist extremist terrorism, but
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  Speaker 3: also just how vigilant Australia needs to be in all
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  Speaker 3: of its settings, including immigration, if we're going to combat
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  Speaker 3: this problem.
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  Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct, Chris.
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  Speaker 10: I mean we did just have the threat level, the
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  Speaker 10: risk of a terrorist attack in Australia moved up and
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  Speaker 10: not to probable two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, with a conflict in.
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  Speaker 10: The Middle East, you know there's always a risk that
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  Speaker 10: domestic opinions are inflamed and what we've seen in Europe
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  Speaker 10: is I think a consequence of that. And we're in
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  Speaker 10: a period, you know, as Mike Burgess said, as dangerous
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  Speaker 10: as it was in the mid twenty tens when we
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  Speaker 10: had Islamic state, you know, running ramp through the Middle
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  Speaker 10: East and seeming to radicalize and recruit religionous co religious
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  Speaker 10: in countries in Europe, the United States and Australia too.
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  Speaker 10: So we have to be incredibly vigilant at the moment
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  Speaker 10: and we should be taking all the safeguards we can,
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  Speaker 10: including being very careful.
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  Speaker 1: But who we accept into this country.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was astonished a couple of weeks ago when
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  Speaker 3: the head of Azio said you could rhetorically support Hamas
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  Speaker 3: and still come into this country. Now the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: stands by that ruling. Peter Dutton's been very clear. He's
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  Speaker 3: saying that should not be the case. Any supporters of
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  Speaker 3: terrorism in any way, shape or form should not be
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  Speaker 3: allowed into the country. Yet the Deputy Prime Minister had
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  Speaker 3: this to say on these issues yesterday on Sky News.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look at Richard.
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  Speaker 11: Mart Asio is the principal agency which does the national
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  Speaker 11: security checks, which does the security checks in respect of
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  Speaker 11: those coming to our country, and they did some in
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  Speaker 11: relation to this cohort as well. There is no substantive
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  Speaker 11: issue here. What there is is an attempt to distract
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  Speaker 11: from the fact that the Opposition have nothing to say
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  Speaker 11: on the issues that.
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  Speaker 3: Really accept no substantive issue. They're pretending it's just politicking.
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  Speaker 3: Surely it's very clear that you and the coalition are saying,
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  Speaker 3: just explain your position for is Dave Sharma. Surely you're
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  Speaker 3: just saying if you support our terrorist group, a listed
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  Speaker 3: terrorist group of any kind anywhere in the world, then
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  Speaker 3: you shouldn't be welcome in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: That is our position, Chris.
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  Speaker 10: If you support a listed terrorist group, whether it's Al Qaeda,
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  Speaker 10: the Taliban, Islamic State, jamaras Lamia or indeed Hamas, you
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  Speaker 10: shouldn't be accepted into Australia. And certainly we also this
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  Speaker 10: is the other part of our position. We shouldn't be
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  Speaker 10: granting to people who are coming here to settle permanently.
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  Speaker 10: We shouldn't be processing them as visitors or tourists and
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  Speaker 10: granting them visitor or tourist visas, which is something that
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  Speaker 10: Richard Miles was also unable to explain when interviewed on Sunday.
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  Speaker 10: Why are we not doing the normal checks and probity
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  Speaker 10: requirements and interviews and health checks and security checks when
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  Speaker 10: we recent all people the conflict zone, while we're not
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  Speaker 10: doing those with the Palestinians that are coming from Gaza,
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  Speaker 10: and he was unable to give an answer to that.
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  Speaker 3: But this is a very important point for the current
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  Speaker 3: situation for people coming from Gaza Ashore. But it's even
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  Speaker 3: more important than that because it goes to our security
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  Speaker 3: settings for anyone coming into this country from any part
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  Speaker 3: of the world. And it just astonishes me that we
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  Speaker 3: have this ruling. Surely it's within the government's remit to
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  Speaker 3: say very clearly to direct Asio and ASIS and other
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  Speaker 3: security and intelligence organizations that operate.
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  Speaker 2: In this country that know, we do not tolerate support
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  Speaker 2: of terrorists, prescribe terrorist groups.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, Azio doesn't make a decision about who is
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  Speaker 10: and is not admitted into this country. Azio provides advice
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  Speaker 10: to the government of the day. The government of the
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  Speaker 10: day makes the decision about who will be admitted into
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  Speaker 10: this country, and they can make the settings, as you know,
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  Speaker 10: they can put settings with as much scrutiny or as
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  Speaker 10: little scrutiny as that. Like, what we've seen in this
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  Speaker 10: government is they're refusing to take a position on it
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  Speaker 10: and they're trying to sheet home all the decision making
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  Speaker 10: powers to as Azio is not in control of our borders.
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  Speaker 10: They're a security agency that provides security related advice to
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  Speaker 10: the government. The government has to take the decisions here.
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  Speaker 3: Dave Shama, thanks for joining us, so I appreciate Dave Shama,
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  Speaker 3: former Ambassador for Australia to Israel and Liberal Senate's a
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  Speaker 3: few South Wales. I'll speak to a Middle East security
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  Speaker 3: expert about what's happening in Israel and the Middle East
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  Speaker 3: at the moment later in the program. But I want
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  Speaker 3: to get back to energy now, and I'm joined by
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  Speaker 3: Matt Rennie from Rennie Advisory.
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  Speaker 2: He joins us live from Brisbane. Thanks for joining us again, Matt.
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  Speaker 3: Disturbing revelations today, another warning about where we are with
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  Speaker 3: gas shortages in this country.
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  Speaker 2: It seems ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: We're one of the largest gas exporters in the world,
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  Speaker 3: if not the largest. We have inestimable gas reserves, yet
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  Speaker 3: we're not exploiting enough of it for our own use.
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  Speaker 3: And while we got through this winter, it seems there
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  Speaker 3: are concerns, of course about the summer electricity peak and
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  Speaker 3: next winter.
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  Speaker 2: How do you believe we're placed.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, Chris, We're a sixty five gigawa electricity system that
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  Speaker 12: wants to grow up to be a one hundred and
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  Speaker 12: sixty gigawa system in the next fifteen years. And when
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  Speaker 12: we look at how we're going at the moment, the
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  Speaker 12: renewables aren't being built fast enough, the coals coming out
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  Speaker 12: faster than people are forecasting, and we need about eight
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  Speaker 12: and a half thousand kilometers of transmission line and on
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  Speaker 12: average we're about three years behind on that bill schedule.
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  Speaker 12: And so whether it's short, medium or term long term,
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  Speaker 12: it's not looking good.
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  Speaker 3: So that means surely, doesn't it, Especially when you're talking
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  Speaker 3: about those delays. Even if you believe the government's renewable roadmap,
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  Speaker 3: if you like the delays in it, I mean we're
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  Speaker 3: going to need a lot more gas peaking in the meantime.
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  Speaker 3: And indeed, even when all the renewables are built out,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to rely on gas, aren't we to fill
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  Speaker 3: in the gaps in the market.
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  Speaker 12: I think we're going to have to. When we look
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  Speaker 12: at what's happening with demand, we can see electrification now
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  Speaker 12: starting really to take shape through data centers and charging
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  Speaker 12: stations and industrial companies shifting away as best they can
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  Speaker 12: towards electricity, and on the supply side, with the amount
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  Speaker 12: of coulfire generation that's coming out and delays in the
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  Speaker 12: renewable build You know, there's more forces that are separating
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  Speaker 12: supply and demand at the moment than there are bringing
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  Speaker 12: them together. What that means, of course, is that you
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  Speaker 12: need the ability to be able to generate power reliably
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  Speaker 12: and quickly, and that really is a combined cycle gas
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  Speaker 12: and so I think we're going to definitely be seeing
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  Speaker 12: a much greater role for that in the next both
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  Speaker 12: in the short term and also in the medium and
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  Speaker 12: long term.
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  Speaker 3: There seems to be a lot of political resistance to
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  Speaker 3: that because anyone who looks at the facts you can't
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  Speaker 3: find an argument against it.
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  Speaker 2: And especially I.
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  Speaker 3: Think when this federal governments talking about this future Made
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  Speaker 3: in Australia plan, hundreds of billions of dollars they're hoping
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  Speaker 3: to see invested in manufacturing an industry in this country.
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  Speaker 3: Surely after labor, there's no more vital input to that
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  Speaker 3: sort of plan than reliable affordable energy.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think in terms of made in Australia, we're
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  Speaker 12: never going to make solar cells cheaper than we can
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  Speaker 12: make them well they can be made in China. I
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  Speaker 12: think that's just a reality. That's a race that's been
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  Speaker 12: won by China, and you know, something like seventy five
• 19:22
  Speaker 12: percent of the solar cells in the world come out
• 19:24
  Speaker 12: of one region in China. That's not something in to
• 19:27
  Speaker 12: overturn with a million dollars in funding. But more generally,
• 19:30
  Speaker 12: I think we have to think about, you know, what
• 19:32
  Speaker 12: happens when supply and demand don't meet. And that was
• 19:35
  Speaker 12: the problem that most of us were thinking was going
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: to happen in twenty thirty five. And I think now
• 19:39
  Speaker 12: we're beginning to see that that's now starting to come
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: forward in the in emo's last e SU, which is
• 19:45
  Speaker 12: their forecast of supply and demand. Only six months ago,
• 19:49
  Speaker 12: we were thinking that the New South Wales resis, so
• 19:52
  Speaker 12: the renewable assets in New South Wales, we're going to
• 19:54
  Speaker 12: come online in twenty twenty eight. It's now looking like
• 19:57
  Speaker 12: that's going to be twenty thirty one. And so, you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 12: this period of supply meeting demands pushing out, and it's
• 20:03
  Speaker 12: just going to take us back towards what we know works.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: So there are two ways this can play out for consumers.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: One is you pay a lot more for your electoracity
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: prices continue to rise.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: The other is you don't have the power there when
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you need it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Which of those is going to play out in your
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: view in the near term.
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: Well, I think AEMO has got a bunch of different
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: tools and mechanisms that it can deploy. It's got arrangements
• 20:26
  Speaker 12: in place with large industrial customers to switch off and
• 20:29
  Speaker 12: it'll pay them when it does that. And there's all
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: sorts of demand response around the system which people can
• 20:36
  Speaker 12: pull the levers on, and retailers have got in place.
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: So I don't think it's a matter of the power
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: going off. I think reliability is assured. And unfortunately, what
• 20:44
  Speaker 12: it means is a price will rise. And we saw
• 20:46
  Speaker 12: this during the Ukraine crisis a few years ago. And
• 20:49
  Speaker 12: one of the things about prices rising that we all
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: know is that unfortunately it doesn't fall on those parts
• 20:54
  Speaker 12: of society that are best able to handle it. It
• 20:57
  Speaker 12: tends to fall on the disadvantage, into the poor element
• 21:00
  Speaker 12: of the community.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, spot on more of that, Appreciate it to matter.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you joining us, Matt or any there from any advisory. Yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: power prices they really hit people who can't afford to pay,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: people on fixed incomes, people on low incomes, and we're
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: headed for.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: More of them.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable mismanagement in this energy rich country.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Now we've got to take a break.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: On the other side, Gematon Uni and Caroline Derusso join me.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about the right to disconnect laws that came
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: into force today and also it might soon be easier
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: to get your refund if your flight is delayed or
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: canceled or maybe not. Let's catch up with Gematon Uni
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: from GT Communications and Royal Report hosts Caroline Derusso. They
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: both join us from the wonderful city of Perth today.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Great to speak to you both. It's going to be
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: bloody difficult in.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: The future organizing these segments because I'll have to be
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: checking the clock to make sure I'm not contacting either.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Of you out of work hours.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: To find out what we should talk about is just
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: madness that we're going to be living through. Cara, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I see the Liberals already saying if they wouldn't govern
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: and have the numbers, they'll repeal these laws.
• 22:10
  Speaker 13: Well, it's just a really silly law. And frankly, you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: employees and employees should be adult enough within businesses and
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: within those relationships to be able to determine these things.
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: Very interestingly, Anthony Alberanez. He said it's going to lead
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: to more productivity, and well, perhaps yes and perhaps not,
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: but if it does, it won't be in the way
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: that he expects. He talks about people going to work
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: for eight hours a tay, Well, yes, Chris, they will
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: be going.
• 22:35
  Speaker 14: To work for eight hours a day.
• 22:36
  Speaker 13: They won't be going to the doctor, they won't be
• 22:39
  Speaker 13: picking up the kids early, they won't be going to
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: the dentist. So perhaps maybe they will be more productive.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're reducing that flexibility.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: It's quite The thing is that there's not a problem
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: here to be solved. Adults are dealing with this, as
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: you say, in the real world every day, and as
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: it is as a classic case of labor at the
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: union's behest passing more laws to making life more regulated
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: and more complicated. I'll just show you that clip of
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albinisi before I get your views.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Jemmy, here's the Prime minister.
• 23:11
  Speaker 15: You know what it'll do. It'll boost productivity. The idea
• 23:14
  Speaker 15: that you should be on call at ten o'clock at
• 23:18
  Speaker 15: night if you work a nine to five job isn't
• 23:21
  Speaker 15: reasonable and that will lead to better relations in the workplace.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: There you go, Jemma.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: As an employer, do you buy his argument?
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: I say, tell me that you've never been in the
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: real economy without telling me that you've never been in
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: the real economy. Tell me that you've never employed anyone,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: without explicitly saying I have no idea what I'm talking
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: about because I have never employed anyone. Ditto mister Chalmers
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: did most of the current front bench. Look, I have
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: been employing people successfully, I might add, for twenty one years.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: I have an average level of tenure in my firm
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: of around six to seven years. And if you know
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: anything about employment and churn, that is quite rare. And
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: that's because my team and I have.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: An adult relationship.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: And this law is, as Caroline Rightley said, this is
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: addressing a problem that is not there, and it is
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: all about ideology. And I think what you're going to
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: find is, as we said, there is going to be
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: employers saying, rightdio, So you want to clock off at five, Great,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: You're not taking any time during the day to go
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: and do personal jobs and then making up the time
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: after hours. You will work during the nine to five
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: or the eight to four or whatever it is, because
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: the risk is too much for employers. So there's a
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: sting in the tail for all of these things. And
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: as I say, it just comes down to bloody minded ideology.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And you have a.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Government that doesn't have any substantive real world, real economy
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: experience to understand how utterly nonsense this legislation is.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this legislation runs to something like too and
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: seventy two pages.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're trying to run a small or.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Medium business, just adds to all that regulation. There's just
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: reams of this stuff you've got to way through.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: To try to tell you how to run your own business.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It's just extraorly. Here we go.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: There are two hundred and seventy pages of new amendments
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: to the Fair Work Act.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I just drop.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: This stuff on businesses and they wonder.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Why the economy is in all sorts of strife.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I want to move on to another topic that you
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: will both be familiar with because it's another leading West Australian.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: That is, of course, Gina Reinhardt.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I kicked off the program with her comments to the
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Bush Summit because.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I just saw them and I thought, this is the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: People talk to you about at the pub and in
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: the street all the time, but not enough business and
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: community leaders say it like this. Here's Gina Reinhart on
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: what our kids are being taught at.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: School, teaching our children to be ashamed of our country,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: not proud of our history that has actually led us
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: to have one of the greatest standards of living in
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: the world.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: She's spot on, isn't she carry.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, we want happy little vegamines, so we're proud
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: of this place.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah we do.
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: And equally, like with anything, they should have both sides
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: of the story. But we shouldn't lionize one side and
• 26:24
  Speaker 13: then and then totally. You know, situation can the other side.
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: And look, the thing is, it's really important. And she
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: made some excellent comments about what underpins our economy. That's
• 26:36
  Speaker 13: another really important part of our children's education. I mean,
• 26:40
  Speaker 13: we have seen sliding education standards for some time now,
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: but if kids don't understand the way that our economy works,
• 26:48
  Speaker 13: then how on earth are they going to be able
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: to engage with it. You know, you might want to
• 26:53
  Speaker 13: have solar panels, but you need to understand that you
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: need to have coal mining to be able to have
• 26:57
  Speaker 13: solar panels. You know, you want to have win turbines.
• 27:01
  Speaker 13: That's lovely, but you need to be able to make
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: steal and you need iron or to be able to
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: make that happen. And I feel like there is this
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: massive disconnect between what you know, what teaches us, saying
• 27:16
  Speaker 13: that we should do or whatever. But again, I think
• 27:18
  Speaker 13: it probably comes back to not necessarily understanding the way
• 27:21
  Speaker 13: that things happen. You know, milk does not come from
• 27:24
  Speaker 13: Carton's Chris, and that there should form a very very
• 27:27
  Speaker 13: important part of our education of our children so that
• 27:30
  Speaker 13: they can then participate meaningfully in our economy and society.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's great that Gina Ryan has speaking
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: out about this now. Gener as a native West Australian
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: formally Native West Australian, you'd be aware of her place
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: in the public debate. It seems to me that she's
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: been quieter in the past. It seems to me that
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: over the past couple of years she's been making more
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: speeches and doing this sort of thing more often. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: if that's the case, I'm interested in your view if
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: that's the case, And if so, that's a great signal
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: to other business leaders.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Isn't that we need them to show the way on
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: this stuff.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Sure, I mean I have no for clarity and context.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: I have no connection personal or commercial with Missus Reinhart.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: So my views are objective in the sense that I
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: absolutely have noticed her being more vocal in various views.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: There was a situation in Wa couple of years ago
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: where she made a speech around her alma mater, which
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: is Hilda's Girls School over here and made it you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: there was a little bit of a minor western suburbs
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: in Brolio, Chris where she felt that her speech had
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: been edited unfairly because of her views. And look, I
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: think I think it's a great thing for Australian Sorry,
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: it's a bad habit West Australians and Australians who have
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: been as successful as Missus Reinhart has, and for those
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: who are unchurched. She didn't just inherit. You know, the
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Hancock Empire, she has grown it, she has turned it around.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: She is well regarded as a fierce, but fair and
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: incredibly loyal boss by those.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Who work for her.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: So people who have a track record, who actually know
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: a thing or two about generating wealth employing people, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: think have a responsibility to say these things and have
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: these views and take part in conversations that are fulsome
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: and that challenge this, you know, this idea that we
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: should somehow be ashamed of this country that has given
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: families like mine and Caroline's, you know, the opportunity to
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: build into this society and to to you know, to
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: create a life, and all of that sort of thing
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: like who could judge today's standards by what happened one
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: hundred years ago, two hundred years ago. That's just a
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: nonsense thing. And that self loathing and all of that
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: rubbish nonsense that the progressive left try to peddle. That's
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: just you know, projection on speed. Chris. I would love
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: to see more successful Australians like missus Ryan Hart speak
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: up on these issues.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, spot on.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Now let me go to another misstep I think by
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the Bernesi labor gap, and they're talking about flights and
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: the airfares and the like Carrow and you know, they've
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: got a white paper and they're talking about a new
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: on Bodsman and you have more laws and more regulation.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: We need more competition.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: We had the situation up until recently the rerailed about
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: here and now they're trying to fix whether the two
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: big airlines actually control the landing slots at the airport's
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: we lost bonds, we lost Rex going into the big markets.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: We need more competition, don't we, not more laws.
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: And what is interesting there, Chris, is if you did
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: have a situation where those two major airlines didn't control
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: those slots, for the example at Sydney Airport, that would
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: I think, immediately get rid of a whole heap of
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: the issues and a whole heap of the symptoms of
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: essentially not having to try too hard because you're controlling.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: The rules of the game.
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: Look, I would love there to be more choice, even
• 30:56
  Speaker 13: quite simply, if Virgin offered Wi Fi from Wa to
• 30:59
  Speaker 13: the East and East Coast, I would actually have no
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: reason to fly Quantas. Again, I have a little bit
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: of a traumatic relationship with Quantas, but it's pretty hard
• 31:09
  Speaker 13: when you run your own business to be disconnected for
• 31:11
  Speaker 13: that four hours during the middle of a workday. So
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: even if you have more competition and Virgin offered a
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: better service as far as Wi Fi goes, you would
• 31:21
  Speaker 13: see a big change out of Western Australia as well.
• 31:24
  Speaker 13: We absolutely need that competition, make them sharpen their pencils,
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: and improve their game.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Just make sure when you're on those flights, Caroline, you're
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: not emailing anyone out of ours, because that's illegal as
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: on today. Just quickly, Jemma, being our electric vehicle expert,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: the proud form of owner of a Tesla, I want
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: to raise this story with you about Australia Post getting
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy five electric motorbikes now for Postas
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to surprise people here and say this
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: is where electric vehicles make sense, right because they've got
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: a big fleet. They'll have somewhere to charge them overnight.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: They use it every day for a known route locally.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: It'll be good not to have the sputtering two strokes
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: around around the suburbs as long as they charge them
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: all up, all right, that'll.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Be really nice and quiet, that's for sure. And yes,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: you correct, Chris, breaking news. I have sold the Tesla
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: and I couldn't be happy. Stap tuned everyone this week
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: This weekend's Australian. I've got sweet fossil fuel fueled freedom
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: coming up your way. But look, this is exactly the use,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: as you say, of electric cars. It's a known quantity.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: There are no issues around infrastructure, it reduces the noise
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: around neighborhoods, all of that sort of stuff. But I
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: will point out that Australia Post no longer delivers every day,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: so their core function, which is to deliver the mail,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: is not going to be impacted by whether they have
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: electric motorcycles or normal motorcycles.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Just deliver the damn mail every day.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: Eat like a first world country.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, Indeed, as Newman would do.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: The rain, the storms, whatever the sleep, the snow, they'll
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: get it through.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe. Thanks for joining us, Enjoy Perth.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: We'll see you next week. But I get to break
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: tensions on the rise in the Middle East. Of course
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I'll speak with one of the world's foremost experts on
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Iran's role in all of this. And also the Australian
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Newspapers reopened its China bureau in Beijing, four years after
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: it was forced to close. I'll cross live to Beijing.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Back to the Middle East, where Israel is still fighting
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: to defend itself on a number of fronts. The Israeli
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Defense forces hit several Iran backed Hesbala sites in southern
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Lebanon in what they're calling a preemptive strike.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Here's the latest. Thanks to sky News.
• 33:39
  Speaker 16: UK, the Israeli preemptive strike came in the early hours,
• 33:44
  Speaker 16: huge explosions rupturing the morning quiet across southern Lebanon. The
• 33:52
  Speaker 16: IDEA says this attack was an act of self defense
• 33:56
  Speaker 16: and was the result of precise intelligence that has Bollo
• 34:00
  Speaker 16: was about to launch a retaliatory assault following the assassination
• 34:04
  Speaker 16: of their top commander in Beirut in late July. His FOLLA,
• 34:09
  Speaker 16: for its parts says it did manage to launch hundreds
• 34:12
  Speaker 16: of missiles and rockets at nearly a dozen Israeli military basis,
• 34:17
  Speaker 16: releasing this video, complete with triumphant music. In the North,
• 34:26
  Speaker 16: families and their pets were woken to the sounds of
• 34:29
  Speaker 16: war as the country's Iron Dome defense system blasted the
• 34:36
  Speaker 16: fire out of the sky.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Ben and Ben Tellabue, who's senior fellow
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. He's been
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: on a tour of Australia and New Zealand thanks to
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: the Australia Israel and Jewish Affairs Council, and he joins
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: me now live from Wellington. Thanks for joining us. Benam
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: just how concerned should we be about a broader escalation
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: of battle into southern Lebanon between Israel and his Palam.
• 35:10
  Speaker 17: Greetings Chris, it's a pleasure to be back with you. Listen, certainly,
• 35:14
  Speaker 17: if you're looking at the commentary from the secretary general
• 35:17
  Speaker 17: of the Iran back group Lebanese has Bulah, they've made
• 35:20
  Speaker 17: it clear that they have finished their round visa v Israel,
• 35:24
  Speaker 17: at least their first round vis of the Israel. But
• 35:27
  Speaker 17: make no mistake, the regional war, the multi front war,
• 35:30
  Speaker 17: the four, five, six and even seven front war that
• 35:33
  Speaker 17: we've seen, the Islamic Republic of Iranic night against Israel
• 35:37
  Speaker 17: less than a day after Israel but still counting bodies
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: after the October seventh Arrist attack. That stuff is still
• 35:42
  Speaker 17: set to continue, and most unfortunately, Tehran is being on
• 35:46
  Speaker 17: threatening a wider regional war from any one of these
• 35:49
  Speaker 17: different fronts to be able to bank on American restraints
• 35:52
  Speaker 17: so that that restraint can handcuff Israel rather than this
• 35:55
  Speaker 17: Iran backed axis.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Now, this is the critical point, isn't it. The role
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: of ira in all of this.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Now, Hezballah have long been controlled, funded, organized by Iran,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: but even the Sunni Hamas are funded and controlled by
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Iran now and We've had the Huti send a missile
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: strike into Tel Aviv again backed by Iran. So when
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: we see people talking about ceasefires and Israel getting involved
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: in ceaspies, there's no chance of a lasting pieces there
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: while Hezblada, Hutis and Hamas are still armed and vowing
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: to eradicate Israel.
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: Certainly not that, especially when you consider that a ceasefire
• 36:38
  Speaker 17: would only be between the weakest of these groups, which
• 36:41
  Speaker 17: is Hamas and Gaza, and a ceasefire would essentially allow
• 36:44
  Speaker 17: the Islamic Republic to achieve its major regional war aims,
• 36:47
  Speaker 17: which is to prevent these rallies from being able to
• 36:50
  Speaker 17: use military force to wipe this entity off the chessboard.
• 36:53
  Speaker 17: And more importantly, in the medium to long term, those
• 36:56
  Speaker 17: who think a ceasefire would bring lasting piece would forget
• 36:59
  Speaker 17: that this entire constellation of terror in the Middle East
• 37:02
  Speaker 17: would be more willing to dangle the threat of force
• 37:05
  Speaker 17: to be able to erode Israel's policy options and the
• 37:08
  Speaker 17: West policy options in this trouble part of the world.
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  Speaker 2: Over time now.
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  Speaker 3: I was interested to read a column in The Australian
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  Speaker 3: Today by our former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer amount I
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: used to work for and who we interview each week
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: on this program. But he talks about reports that suggest
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: that only twenty percent or so of the Iranian population
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: actually support their regime and that a full scale war
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: in the Middle East would not be supported by the
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: people of Iran, and therefore the regime is very careful
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: about that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: It could be the undoing of them.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: What's your insight into the relationship between the Islamic regime
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: in Iran and the people.
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  Speaker 17: You know, I'm so glad he mentioned that, because there
• 37:54
  Speaker 17: couldn't be a bigger chasm in this region between the
• 37:57
  Speaker 17: state in Iran and the street or the societ in Iran.
• 38:01
  Speaker 17: If you're looking at who is behind this multiple boom
• 38:03
  Speaker 17: and bus cycle of violence that we're seeing throughout the
• 38:05
  Speaker 17: Middle East today, that is certainly the government of the
• 38:08
  Speaker 17: Islamic Republic. But if you look at the people since
• 38:10
  Speaker 17: two thousand and nine, they have been chanting not Gaza,
• 38:13
  Speaker 17: not Lebanon, my life only for Iran. You have fundamentally
• 38:17
  Speaker 17: a nationalist population that is ruled over and controlled over
• 38:21
  Speaker 17: buying authoritarian and Islamist regime, and these two things don't mix,
• 38:25
  Speaker 17: and that's why we've seen Mooman bus, cycles of protests
• 38:27
  Speaker 17: at home, and believe it or not, despite the regime's
• 38:30
  Speaker 17: conventional military deficiencies, what it's most afraid of is not
• 38:33
  Speaker 17: a war with America, not a war with Israel, but
• 38:36
  Speaker 17: getting toppled from within. That's why most Western governments, including
• 38:40
  Speaker 17: the Australian government, including all five bys governments, should be
• 38:43
  Speaker 17: able to converge together on a policy that merges their
• 38:47
  Speaker 17: state craft and their soul craft, and that is maximum
• 38:50
  Speaker 17: pressure against this regime in Tehran and maximum support for
• 38:53
  Speaker 17: the people, especially that entire breath and depth that the
• 38:57
  Speaker 17: former Foreign Minister mentioned, which is probably upwards of eighty
• 39:00
  Speaker 17: percent opposing this regime.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, all the pressure is on Israel when there
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: should be support for Israel and pressure on Tehran. Really
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: good to talk to you again, Benam, I appreciate it.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Ben Bell Taliblu there from the Foundation for the Defense
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: of Democracies.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to Beijing now, which is a sentence.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: I have not atted for many, many years Australian media,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: and in fact a lot of our contact with the
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: people in Beijing has been blocked by the Chinese government.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: A lot of journalists were expelled you know about the
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: story of Sky News his own Chang Lai and her
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: imprisonment in China. Well, Will Glasbagow, who's the North Asia
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: correspondent for The Australian, hasn't been in Beijing.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: For four years.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: He's back there reporting from Beijing as we speak, and
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to say he joins me now. Thanks for
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: joining us, Will, four years away from China or away
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: from inside mainland China, and of course you are still
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: covering the region from AFAR. Congraduate relations of being back
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: in the country. To describe to me just how you
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: feel and what's your sense about the reasons behind you
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: being allowed back into the country.
• 40:11
  Speaker 14: Hey, thanks for having me Chris for Yeah, my first
• 40:15
  Speaker 14: live cross from Beijing in.
• 40:17
  Speaker 17: Four years, so that's cool to do.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, look it's.
• 40:21
  Speaker 14: I mean, you know, it's sort of been announced in
• 40:23
  Speaker 14: a big I've been a bit of a surprise to
• 40:26
  Speaker 14: a lot of people.
• 40:26
  Speaker 17: But for me, if there's been.
• 40:29
  Speaker 14: A long, long, long process, you might imagine, like you
• 40:32
  Speaker 14: mean you were saying earlier, you used to work for
• 40:35
  Speaker 14: Foreign Minister down and you have some insight in what
• 40:38
  Speaker 14: it's like to engage with the Chinese government and things
• 40:41
  Speaker 14: can be extremely opaque, right, And also things can take
• 40:44
  Speaker 14: a long time. But things can take a long time
• 40:47
  Speaker 14: until they don't right, So flicks gets, switches get flicked
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: within this system, and then suddenly things that were impossible,
• 40:55
  Speaker 14: like having Australian correspondence accredited here, suddenly are And the
• 40:59
  Speaker 14: kind of the key moments for when it became possible
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: are all to do with the Australian China bilateral relationship, right.
• 41:07
  Speaker 14: I mean, I was here for the first six months
• 41:08
  Speaker 14: of twenty twenty as the whole as the relationship, which
• 41:11
  Speaker 14: was bad when I flew in, it got even worse, right,
• 41:15
  Speaker 14: kind of surprised the world by how bad it got
• 41:17
  Speaker 14: as twenty twenty went on, and I had to leave
• 41:21
  Speaker 14: because of your current colleague, Our current colleague, Chang Lay
• 41:24
  Speaker 14: the horrible thing that happened to her in twenty twenty.
• 41:27
  Speaker 14: It continued for years and years until.
• 41:28
  Speaker 17: Late last year. But what's got better, what's changed.
• 41:33
  Speaker 14: Things, and the reason that I've been able to come back,
• 41:36
  Speaker 14: The key thing of hanging over it all is the improvement,
• 41:40
  Speaker 14: at least at a diplomatic level, and that track between
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: Australia and China. I mean, the two governments are talking
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: to each other once again. I mean from the Australian perspective,
• 41:52
  Speaker 14: Australian government there was no way they would trust Australian
• 41:55
  Speaker 14: journalists or advice or not advise against Australian journalists being
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: based here, while they couldn't have any contact with the
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: Chinese government. Well, that ended after the Albanesi government came
• 42:06
  Speaker 14: into power, but even then it's been a long process
• 42:10
  Speaker 14: just building enough trust for them to feel okay about
• 42:14
  Speaker 14: this on the Australian side and of course on the
• 42:16
  Speaker 14: Chinese side. I mean it's been sort of eighteen months
• 42:19
  Speaker 14: of talks with them, back and forth with that whether
• 42:21
  Speaker 14: it was possible or not, until suddenly, after just ahead
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: of Premier Lee's visit to Australia, the switch was flipped
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: and I got the call.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Tell us will about what you can report on?
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Tell us about how much freedom do you have or
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: is your access restricted? Or you're worried about is there
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Internet censorship of what you get access or do you
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: have total freedom?
• 42:45
  Speaker 14: Oh? Look, I mean it's a really difficult reporting environment.
• 42:48
  Speaker 14: The big problem you have is just going about your
• 42:50
  Speaker 14: job gathering information. This is the problem for a foreign journalist,
• 42:54
  Speaker 14: right working for foreign media. I mean, Chinese media have
• 42:57
  Speaker 14: their own special problems. It's much much worse. Right, they're
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: not best. They have censorship about what topics they can cover.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I don't have that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 14: My problem is I've got to operate in an environment
• 43:07
  Speaker 14: with appalling Internet, right, an Internet that gets worse when
• 43:10
  Speaker 14: there are big political events, and it gets even harder
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: to which is particularly difficult video for crosses like this.
• 43:19
  Speaker 14: So that's one thing. But the other real big problem
• 43:22
  Speaker 14: with reporting in China is just that you're dealing with,
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: even more so today in China and its current era,
• 43:28
  Speaker 14: such a.
• 43:29
  Speaker 17: Closed system, a system that's got.
• 43:31
  Speaker 14: Real terror within it about making a mistake, causing trouble
• 43:37
  Speaker 14: and you being held responsible for it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 17: That is you within the system.
• 43:40
  Speaker 14: So you will almost never see currently Chinese officials of
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: any seniority giving interviews to foreign media, aside from the
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: ambassador is giving interviews to their host countries or you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: there is a daily press conference at the Foreign Ministry here.
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: I mean that's something you can go there and ask
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: any question stan and get the question for the answer
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: from the podium.
• 44:03
  Speaker 17: But engaging on the record with the system here, yes,
• 44:07
  Speaker 17: we'll be frustrating and yeah, yeah, well.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: It's so good to have your eyes and ears in
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: China for the Australia none for us.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Here on Sky News.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for doing this cross and we'll hope
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: to speak again soon because you'll be reporting a lot
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: on the Chinese economy and what's happening there, and that
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: is massively important for the world economy and especially for
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Australia's economy. That's Will Glasgow, the Australian's North Asia correspondent,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: now back in Beijing reporting live. That's his first live
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: cross out of Beijing since being lipped back into the country.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Great stuff now.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, Paul Murray will join me
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: and I talk to him about the Northern Territory election result,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: whether it's a warning for Anthony ALBERANIZI also the ABC's
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: leadership is up in the air. Let's welcome the great
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: man to the desk. Paul Murray drops in early to
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: see us on a Monday. You may, I'm not too
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: bad at all. I'm not too bad at all. You
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: already had a crack at this last night, of course.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: But the Northern Territory election not a big territory, you know,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: the big councils around the country that have as many
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: people in it. But a thumping for labor is it
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: a warning to alboat? Does it give heart to the
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: coalition around the country.
• 45:20
  Speaker 18: Absolutely. I mean Leah Fanookiarro is exactly the type of
• 45:23
  Speaker 18: person we keep being told that the Liberal Party can't
• 45:26
  Speaker 18: communicate with a middle aged woman, couple of kids, parents
• 45:31
  Speaker 18: that were born somewhere else, or surprise, surprise, she ends
• 45:34
  Speaker 18: up connecting with the territory.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Leading the territory.
• 45:38
  Speaker 18: I mean the consequences of the territory. There's big business,
• 45:40
  Speaker 18: there's big defense, there's big farming, all of that stuff. Yes,
• 45:43
  Speaker 18: the population is small, but also what I took out
• 45:46
  Speaker 18: of it was that there's a limit to the gas lighting.
• 45:49
  Speaker 18: Now Labour would sort of turn around and say, oh,
• 45:51
  Speaker 18: youth crime, yeah, it's not really a problem. Well it is,
• 45:55
  Speaker 18: so this government has to go hard, which means they're
• 45:57
  Speaker 18: going to annoy the ABC and frightened Guardian, but they
• 46:01
  Speaker 18: have to go hard.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Youth crime's also a problem in Victoria, in Queensland, in
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: New South Wales, but of course the federal governments not
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: directly connected to youth crime issues. But no doubt it
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: does play on voter's minds. The other real issue surely
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: is cost of living. That's universal.
• 46:17
  Speaker 18: But also don't forget Elbow's attitude towards the Northern Territory
• 46:21
  Speaker 18: is that the purpose of it is to have photo
• 46:25
  Speaker 18: ops with indigenous people, right, or a place to refill
• 46:28
  Speaker 18: the jet while he's going airbus. Elbow right, when he
• 46:32
  Speaker 18: came at the start of twenty twenty three to Alice
• 46:35
  Speaker 18: Springs after we had all been talking so aggressively, repetitively
• 46:39
  Speaker 18: because the situation was as bad as it was, he
• 46:41
  Speaker 18: took more time getting there than he spent there and
• 46:43
  Speaker 18: then he bugged off to the tennis for two days.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, spot on. Peter Dutton knows the lessons he
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: wants to draw from this.
• 46:51
  Speaker 19: The Albanezi government has made our country less safe and
• 46:54
  Speaker 19: they have forced up the price of everything to a
• 46:57
  Speaker 19: point where families really are doing it very very very tough.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: At the moment.
• 47:02
  Speaker 19: In that circumstance, you'd expect it to be a backlash
• 47:05
  Speaker 19: against the government.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt it's a springboard for the coalition.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: And it's just you. You don't want to get carried
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: away about it.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: It's just a matter of you know how big, big
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: it is, but it's winding their sales to some extent.
• 47:16
  Speaker 18: Queensland's a big one that of course, of course, well
• 47:18
  Speaker 18: we'll know what's got really.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Good well we will, we will, and we expect that
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: to be pretty good for the coalition as well.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: We will wait and see.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: We'll be all over that just quickly on the ABC,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: David Anderson him shooting through this is astounding. I called
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: it this out over a year ago when they reappointed.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Him for five years. He hasn't even lasted two years.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: He's been forced out, hasn't he.
• 47:39
  Speaker 18: Well, as we see, there was apparently some behind the
• 47:42
  Speaker 18: scenes conversation about whether the four Corners thing about Channel
• 47:44
  Speaker 18: seven was strong enough to go on that platform. I
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: think anyone who actually saw it most likely thought, okay,
• 47:51
  Speaker 18: maybe there's a five minute yeah fixleick yeah. But it
• 47:55
  Speaker 18: had already been on the seven thirty. Reporting parts of
• 47:57
  Speaker 18: this were reheated. We all know why they made the
• 48:00
  Speaker 18: decision they did. But what I find amazing about this
• 48:01
  Speaker 18: bloke's record is in his time as the managing director,
• 48:05
  Speaker 18: they have underpaid their staff to the tune of thirty
• 48:08
  Speaker 18: million dollars and a survey of the people who work
• 48:11
  Speaker 18: in the news department shows that the physical number of
• 48:15
  Speaker 18: employees that have been exposed to sexual harassment is massive. Yet,
• 48:19
  Speaker 18: of course the problem is everywhere else, let alone the
• 48:22
  Speaker 18: radio rating slide, and in many ways some of the
• 48:26
  Speaker 18: things that they thought they were going to be able
• 48:28
  Speaker 18: to make bigger marks in digital they hadn't been able
• 48:30
  Speaker 18: to do it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: So he should be marked down.
• 48:33
  Speaker 18: But because he's part of the collective, because he's kind
• 48:35
  Speaker 18: of let the lawa Tingles of the world do what
• 48:37
  Speaker 18: they want to do and pay the legal bills of
• 48:39
  Speaker 18: the favorites.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Yep, nothing happened. He's had nothing but praise from the
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: ABC staff. But because that's exactly what he was. He
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: was their man.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: He didn't get in the way of the staff run collective.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: They need someone who will good luck finding that person.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: I want to show you a music clip.
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• 49:02
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• 49:04
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• 49:08
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• 49:10
  Speaker 3: didn't know you were an Oasis fan. Talk of them
• 49:12
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• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Excuse the pun, Well it happened, and will you be there?
• 49:17
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• 49:21
  Speaker 18: there was a little teas which went up at a
• 49:22
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• 49:25
  Speaker 18: is the announcement made in the next couple of days.
• 49:27
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• 49:31
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• 49:33
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• 49:35
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• 49:38
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• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I've been playing a lot of oasis myself lately, educating
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• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow night at five. Here's Peter Kredlin.