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Episode 59: What the Hell are The Whills in Star Wars? · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there. It's time for most things
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Kenobi. I prefer all things Kenobi but I
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suppose that's not the Jedi way as long as it's not all things
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Anakin. Hi everyone.
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Welcome to another episode of most things Kenobi.
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A podcast about A Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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I'm your host Leanne and I'm your host Lauren and this week,
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interesting topic, one that we don't completely understand.
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Even after doing significant amount of research.
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Yeah, we're talking about the wills and wh I ll s the quills.
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You know, what if you will? But Wills let's talk about the
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wheels wheels. That's so funny.
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It's a deep topic and I'm not like I was telling you, I'm not
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entirely sure. I truly understand it.
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Yeah. When we picked this last week, I
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don't think either of us realized what we were getting
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into. No, that's typically how it
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goes. But we're just having a
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conversation, a little case study on the wills.
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And actually, if people understand it more, please chime
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in after the after you listen to this episode, because we're Do
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it as far as I can tell. It's a George.
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Lucas original, like original original?
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Yeah. Like from the first script you
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ever wrote. Yeah, I didn't the script that
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got tossed and it realized that at all and like I don't know
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where this is from like what source this comes from.
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But the fact that the whole Skywalker Saga is actually R2D2
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replaying. The events of the Skywalker life
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100 years after the battle of Yavin.
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To one of these keepers of the wills.
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You know, I never heard that before, I fucking love that.
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I always had a head Canon that a long time ago.
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In a galaxy far, far away. Dot-dot-dot is actually R2-D2.
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Well you're right. I mean that is what it is.
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Yeah. I guess George Lucas confirms.
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This will. Thank me.
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Crazy. Well he's the only one that's
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seen it all and hasn't had his memory wiped.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny which is my
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God. It's kind of sad though.
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It is. It does make me sad and also
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like skeptical that a Droid could survive that long because
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I don't own any piece of technology that would survive
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more than a hundred years. But whatever that this is the
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future we're talking about. So maybe the fact that R2 is the
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hell robot that survives all this stuff so funny.
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Well, there's a lot of interesting things that That I
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came across when like, studying this, for this episode, about
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the wills and where it all originated with George.
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Lucas and how, in fact, he wanted to write, he had like a
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whole Journal, hmm about the wills, which was, It was kind of
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not, they didn't buy it, so he scrapped it.
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And then that's how we came up with Star Wars basically.
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Yeah. But he never truly abandoned the
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idea of the wheels and of course, then we get the episodes
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in the Clone Wars, you know, through Dave filoni via Joy
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Lucas. Yeah.
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So it's definitely like in the background at all times which I
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do like because if that was his original thing I'm glad he kept
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it kind of inner woven in a way or in some form since the
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beginning. Well, it makes me think he must
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have been working towards that sequel Trilogy that he had
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planned to make because yeah, we see in Clone Wars, right?
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As it got canceled, they were starting to get into talking
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about the wills, which is crazy and then it gets cancelled.
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So to me, That seems like he was, he was starting to set it
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up, you know? Because I guess there's there's
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some book called, like, the Star Wars archives.
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Right? Isn't that me?
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And so, like in there, he discusses his plan for the
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sequel Trilogy, and it was supposed to be diving into the
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spiritual stuff, like the wills themselves.
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Right isn't that? That was his like original plan.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's the Journal of the wills that he wrote in 1973 it.
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Story of Mace windy. Which I kind of love the name.
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Mace windy better than Mace Windu.
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That's you know in the original radio drama Luke has a friend
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named Wendy there you go it all kind of wraps together just he
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just like keeps all these little references and if he doesn't use
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it here, he decides to use it there.
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Like it's, it's so funny and only us crazy.
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Obsessed people find find all the connections because we're
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not true. Truly, there's so many
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Connections in fact, and most of them show up in the Clone Wars
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series, which is not a surprise. Because Dave filoni worked with
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George, Lucas. Yeah, to bring about some of the
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things that we learned in the Clone Wars and in Rebels.
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So, it continued into the rebels series just to give people a
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background. This is a direct quote, from
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George, Lucas himself via Star Wars.
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The annotated screenplays. He says, quote originally, I was
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trying to have the story be told by somebody else.
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Else. There was somebody watching this
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whole story and recording it. Somebody probably wiser than the
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Mortal players in the actual events.
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I eventually dropped this idea and the concept behind the
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wheels turned into the force, but the wheels became part of
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this, massive amount of notes, quote background information
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that I used for the scripts, the stories were actually taken from
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the Journal of the wills. And so, basically the wills, as
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we know, them are just kind of spiritual keepers of the past,
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the present, and the future. Would that be a good way to sum
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it up? The wills themselves are not
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that but the Guardians of the wills are the ones who keep the
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journals. Yes.
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My bad. Yeah.
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So the wheels are connected to the midi-chlorians.
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Correct? Yeah.
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So that's the shit that really surprised me.
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Basically, what George Lucas set up the wills and the force they
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are basically They're parasites, like it really freaks me out a
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little bit there, like a parasitic infection, that, like,
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controls quote. Your destiny, even though
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they're calling them symbiotic because they're as opposed to a
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parasite, a symbiote, you know, you, you're able to like live in
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harmony together and help each other, but the wills are
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microscopic organisms. I don't know, but they live off
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of and live with and communicate through the midi-chlorians.
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To the living beings that they're attached to correct.
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And so like the and the more you have, the more power you have
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through the force if you choose. Yeah.
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Yeah. Because some people, they're
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saying could ignore their quote, Destiny if they want it to, but
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if you're opening yourself to listening to the will of the
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force, they're saying, the will of the force is equivalent to
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The Wills whil LS. This is so complicated, very
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complicated, it's insane. I like the more I started
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researching this, I was like, what the fuck?
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It's a lot man, it's a lot. It's crazy.
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The to canonical references, we have through the Skywalker.
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Saga is first, in the Clone Wars episode where Yoda communicates
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with the priestesses or the shamans of the wills.
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Yeah, The Keeper of the wills. And then again in the
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novelization of the force awakens by Alan Dean Foster,
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which I thought was interesting because had they run with it.
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Like you said, George? Lucas has plans for the sequel
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Trilogy, much different. Right.
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It would have explored the wills even more and I wish they would
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have gone. That direction would have been
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so much more interesting. Yes, it could have really lended
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to raise story because she was obviously very big.
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She had a lot of will shed a lot of wheels and she had a lot of
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midi-chlorians. Yeah.
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If you follow this, Route of thinking yeah well it's shoot
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like Leia was supposed to be the chosen one of the sequel Trilogy
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and I guess Ray would have been Anakin's granddaughter I think
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something there was made so much more sense.
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It was a plan for a granddaughter who is like very
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strong in the force who kind of like developed into Ray, I
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guess. But like man would that have
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been and like they're saying, Luke is rebuilding the Jedi
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Order, while Leia is the new Chancellor and like, whoa, I
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would Is so interested to see that story but it's so far from
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what we got really is. Yeah, yeah, it's it would be so
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cool. I just, you know, to Envision
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something different to see something different much
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different. Well, maybe that's what filoni
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is working on with all these shoes.
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Maybe he's still finding a way to bring George's sequels to
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life somehow, right? That would be very interesting
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to see, but yeah, I don't know. This was like, it was not what I
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was expecting. Affecting I really wasn't.
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I was to have it be more like microorganisms is opposed to,
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like, a more like spiritual thing.
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It was, it's kind of weird to think that all the people who
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have quote, the force are being controlled by a microorganism
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within their body, as opposed to, like an external Source
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outside of their body, which is kind of how we think of God, you
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know, and like the universe in that we live in a lot of times,
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we think of an omniscient or omnipresent, Spiritual force
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that can come into our body, but like is lives externally.
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This is like the opposite of that, where it's like, it lives
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inside you and then, you can affect things outside of you
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through its influence. But I don't know, man.
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It's not what I expected at all. Well then we have a the Temple
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of the wills, which is on Jetta. Hmm.
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So there's a whole ass Temple that the Jedi would go to.
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It was it was considered Sacred by the Jedi.
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Of course, the planet of Jetta was a big Jedi.
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Yeah, Centric. I'm not sure how to phrase my
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head revered. He was that ever hybrid Temple,
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right? So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Which we know from Rogue one, they were basically the empire
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was harvesting kyber crystals from there, it's really crazy.
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Well in that. So like within that, right?
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There's the there are two parts of that, right?
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It's like Guardians of the will and then the Disciples of the
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will is that, right? Yeah, remembering that right?
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Yeah, it's so like One, felt the force, and one used the force,
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but they use different. They were like different.
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I don't know. It's so fun confusing and then
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there's another, they called The Church of the force, right is,
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it's just like, right starts to spiral into this huge.
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I don't even know. I mean, you can kind of see why
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it didn't really take off. It was a little complicated.
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Yeah. You need to boil it down to
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something and he boiled it down to Star Wars and the force
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itself. Yeah, which keeps it which
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simple. I would love to learn more about
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the Temple of the Khyber and like Jetta the Disciples of the
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wheels. Like all that stuff is really
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fascinating to me and I guess they've kind of started making
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material for a but really not much.
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There's like I think there's a graphic novel of it and then
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there's References to it in Rogue one.
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And then there is a comic where Luke goes back to Jed.
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I think it's called ashes of Jetta but that doesn't go in
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depth into the history of the what Jetta City really was and
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like what the spiritual part of it was.
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So it's like it's almost too big for even Disney to tackle
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because it's such a complex idea.
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It really is. I mean, we were getting close to
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it again in the episode of Clone Wars where Order goes in search
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of the wills and speaks to them. And Qui gonn ends up telling
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him, like, if you can communicate in this fashion
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after death. You if you communicate with the
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wills or the shaman of the wills, then you can learn to
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communicate after death. Yes, which kind of, I mean,
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that's why I was so confused in the Kenobi series because Qui
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gonn showed up as a corporeal figure, right?
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We know that it's voice only unless you learn more and
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Qui-Gon never got to complete his studies which is why Why he
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should have remained just a voice.
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So people are saying that because Yoda learned from the
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wills that he was able to help Qui-Gon continue learning after
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death. That's how he was eventually
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able to like manifest a body. Okay?
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I can I can buy that but that's a stretch still right?
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Like have they actually shown that anywhere?
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There's a lot of references like a lot of stuff I read was on
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Wikipedia so like I didn't go through the annotations to see
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like what there Source material was for all of this information
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at like I didn't have time honestly because there's just so
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much you know, in these articles they're saying that Qui-Gon was
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able to continue studying after death because he at least had a
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Consciousness and I guess that's all you need to keep learning
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and Yoda was able to like learn physically affecting the real
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world even though he was in the spiritual plane.
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Like he had his gibber. Stick that he hit Luke in the
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head with all. Yes.
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And he liked was a able to make a bolt of lightning come down
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and hit that forestry that Luke had on act two.
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So it's like, yeah, they were saying that that was new for
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ghosts. I mean, Obi-Wan did come in and
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sit down on a tree and returning to did I but did yeah.
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I don't know. It's really interesting because
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then the in these articles they also say Anakin becomes a force
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ghost and bend solo becomes a force ghost which I didn't
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remember seeing that. Anywhere.
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But maybe it's an adult, we don't see him.
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Maybe it's an old. See that is it?
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That could be in a book again novelization.
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Apparently. So like if you are a good person
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you can just like if you're really selfless, apparently you
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can just like learn it through death.
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I don't know. That was really a far stretch.
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What does that explain? How Anakin became a force ghost,
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his Redemption and being the chosen one I guess was, I mean I
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guess yeah. Because okay, on.
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On the topic of the chosen, one, the Novelization that we get for
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the force awakens, actually talks about the prophecy,
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through with the idea of the wills.
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The first quote, this is this is from the first draft of the
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Journal of the wills. Okay.
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So follow if you will it says quote and in the time of
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greatest despair, they'll show there shall come a savior and he
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shall be known as the son of the sons.
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So Sun Sol And of the sons as UNS.
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Hmm. And so, like you could say of
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the twin Suns of Tatooine it just.
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Um, yeah. But I mean, you could also say
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Luke as that as well because he becomes a savior also from
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there. Yeah.
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And is born and then Tatooine come on that board there that we
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get there and then we get the novelization by Ellen.
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Dean Foster with a quote, from the Journal of the wills in the
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novelization of the force awakens.
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And it says, As quote first comes the day, then comes the
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night. After the darkness shines
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through the light, the difference they say is only made
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right by the resolving of gray through refined Jedi site.
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Wow sounds like a mannequin to me little bit.
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Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Right.
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Because while I was researching this, I wanted to know what
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Anakin's because he has the highest medical Orion count of
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all time. So I started looking into it and
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it's tied to To the Grand experiment.
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Did you start reading about that at all when you were doing any
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of this research? No.
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Tell me more. So, the grand experiment is like
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a reference to dark, Darth Plagueis, pledges or Plagueis.
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I feel like I say Plagueis. Okay?
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I'm never really sure how to pronounce it, Plagueis.
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It's not as he's ugly. It's all I know.
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Why the long face Darth Plagueis?
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Doesn't he have like the longest face and I think so.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He's so hideous. Anyway, has nothing to do with
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what you're about to say. No.
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But I like it. So he decided to do this
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experiment with city as they were working together because
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cities was his Apprentice. So they were trying to create
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like a sentient being exerting, their will on the force and
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midi-chlorians to create life. Their own Perfect Tool and like
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that makes sense manipulate the force, right?
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Yes. The wills did not like that
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because it goes against their plan for living beings living in
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harmony. It Rose the universe out of
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balance. So they in response, created
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Anakin Skywalker as like a countermeasure to what Darth
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Plagueis was doing. So, you know, this is
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interesting and it can has no father, you know, he's like
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right. He was an Immaculate Conception
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from the wills and the midi-chlorians in as a big Fu to
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their little experiment yet which ironically, they End up
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getting to use. Anyway.
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In the end they end up in the nip elating and using him as
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their tool. Yeah.
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At least Darth Sidious Palpatine.
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Exactly. So, but it's like the Oedipus
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complex, right? Of like, yeah, he is destined to
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kill his father so he says, well I don't want to kill my father
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so he leaves and goes on this, you know, Odyssey and by
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returning and like being on his Odyssey.
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He fulfills the destiny of accidentally killing his father,
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so correct. That's what.
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Ins Oedipus. Is it's the same thing.
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It's like the Sith wanted to create this being and the wills.
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Yeah, didn't want that as fate and destiny, so they created
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Anakin and then Sidious thinks that he's getting what he
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wanted. Anyway, he's got stool that he
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can use, which ultimately, by fulfilling that forced Anakin to
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go the full circle of being both light and dark, and returning to
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the light and bringing balance to the force as like a gray
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area. Like balance, just like the A
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quote said, exactly. So it's like, I thought that was
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very interesting and it ties into how the wills and the at
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least the wills, the priestesses of the wills that we see in
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Clone Wars. They talk about how fear and the
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dark side are actually important because it's like the light is
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important. But what you and I always talk
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about, you have to have the dark to balance the light balance
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solutely, isn't the like the absence of Goodness, you have to
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have both and the wills understood that.
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Well, you can't, you can't understand one without the
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other. You can't realize what one is
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without knowing the opposite of it, right?
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Isn't it weird? We have to Define things by
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knowing the opposite of what it would be.
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It's so interesting. It is that also makes me think
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about how Yoda in that episode for Clone Wars.
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He sent to the Dark Island or whatever where he has to go and
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face his inner Darkness. Yes.
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That's really an important step because you have to realize that
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in order to cross over to the light, to get to that other side
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to fulfill it. Exactly.
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I kind of love this because this is the overriding thing theme of
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Star Wars. Anyways, to overcome the
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darkness, to make your choice to choose, the light to choose the
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good to, you know, the selfless thing.
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Yeah. In the end and we see that
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through all the protagonist. Hmm.
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That is Luke and Leia. That's Anakin.
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I mean we see it a thousand times with Obi-Wan.
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It's been so low. It's Ray, mmm, you know, it's
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all of them. You have to acknowledge that you
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do have both light and dark inside you.
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It's the choices that you make and like, which we've always
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reiterated on, this show is the important thing about Star Wars
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is this about your choice. Yeah, yeah.
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And it's true in real life, which is probably why so many
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people feel really connected to Star Wars because it is like
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it's like removed enough. Real life that we can actually
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like take lessons from it and unbiased way but it really
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applies to real life in a really kind of beautiful way.
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Did you read about the been do and how that came about?
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No bubbles, I love the been do. He's such a because it's not
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just like a gentle sweet character.
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It's like it's a little bit scary at the same time and I
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love right, right. So when George Lucas first,
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wrote the journal of the wills you mentioned mace windy.
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Who is an original Jedi been do monk.
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So Ben do was actually Lucas's original name for Jedi really,
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but he dropped that. He kept Jedi.
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And what's interesting is the tie-in is that then Dave filoni
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used been do as the name of the spiritual.
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Well, he looks like an ox. Yeah, he's kind of a spiritual
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being of both light and dark. He is kind of gray.
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Mmm, he takes the Middle Road between the light and the dark
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side of the force. And it's and it's interesting
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because Lucas's original terms for the light and dark side of
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the force are the ashla and the Bogan, which become Cannon and
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Rebels and ashla, was also the Alias used by Ahsoka in her
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novel. So the novel titled Ahsoka is
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hurt. That's her namik.
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Her she uses really, I didn't know which is Lucas's original
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term for the light which make sense because she's also tied to
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the daughter from mortis, who is yes right side.
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And a lot of people argue that This window is kind of like a
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gray Jedi or the most gray of the Jedi because he's got you
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know you kind of Treads the line so maze windy that name.
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So glad the changed it was an original Jedi been do but the
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been do is known according to Wikipedia is a collection of
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non-confrontational beliefs practiced by been do monks.
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So the original Journal of the wills by Lucas himself talks
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about the been do and now we have a whole non-confrontational
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Religion and their symbol is eerily similar to The Republic
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symbol and then eventually the Empire symbol so it all kind of
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ties together. I know it's a lot a lot but it's
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crazy you're right because the symbol does look like that.
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Which is so interesting because opposite if non-confrontational
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right with the right tire it's funny.
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The symbol of been do was a circle connected by eight even
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spokes which represented the unification of the Galaxy by the
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The force. Oops, the Empire cut through
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that unification and put a lot of gaps in the symbol.
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Which I mean if you look at you know the the Empire /, you know
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the Republic in its height. Yeah.
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You know and then the Sith Empire during the galactic War.
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The symbols. Very it's a pointed version of
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the circle. It's all connected.
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It's so fascinating. Oh my gosh.
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This is like blowing my damn mind.
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Yeah, it's insane. And because Anakin's fighter in
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Revenge of the Sith, the fighter ship, that little star fighter.
24:13
He flies has a version of the six.
24:16
Spoke symbol not the 8-spoke. So it's a version of the been do
24:22
slightly less instead of anything.
24:23
There's seven. There's eight, there's six.
24:25
There's all these numbers and we know how numbers play an
24:27
important part. We've talked about it in the
24:29
mortise Arc crazy. I had no idea if it's a lot but
24:34
it's like blowing my fucking mind.
24:37
And this all comes from George Lucas's Journal of the wheels
24:40
which never took off. Anyway, Star Wars was inspired
24:43
by it. He had it in his mind and of
24:44
course we all know that Luke's, the whole Skywalker name was
24:48
originally supposed to be Starkiller right up until like,
24:50
right, I started filming right. They even had to reshoot the,
24:55
I'm Luke Skywalker. I'm here to rescue.
24:56
They had to reshoot it because he said, I'm Luke Starkiller.
24:59
I'm here to rescue you. Yeah, I I prefer Skywalk.
25:03
I think it's one of the greatest names ever ever ever.
25:06
It's Actually, for him starkiller's too much.
25:09
Wasn't that the name of a Baker's Apprentice?
25:13
Yeah. In the game.
25:14
Yeah. What a fucking honor.
25:17
That must have been right to get to play the character.
25:19
That was, like, the original name of this guy Walker's, like,
25:23
I don't know, I just love that shit.
25:27
I just it's it's, it's really difficult.
25:31
The wills is not a simple concept at all, it's not as
25:35
simple as the priestesses that we see in the Clone Wars
25:38
episode, it goes beyond its a it ties into a religion, it ties
25:42
into Consciousness after death that ties into midi-chlorians
25:46
and how Anakin came about and how you know, the prophecies
25:50
within I start to wonder too. Like okay, so when you're alive
25:55
the wills and midi-chlorians A to you through your living body
26:00
basically. So if you die and preserve your
26:02
Consciousness, how do they communicate with you?
26:05
Then if you don't have like a symbiotic body to to live in
26:10
together? Well, maybe they're the the
26:13
link. Well, I guess if you had it it
26:15
could be. Because they say when you die,
26:17
right? And I always get this mixed up.
26:20
When you die, do you join the cosmic force or the living
26:23
Force? But they were saying that one
26:25
feeds into the others. If you can, if when you die, you
26:28
preserve your Consciousness. And you go into this like center
26:31
point where it's like the living Force feeding, the cosmic Force,
26:36
which is also, then the wills like it's a lot for the brain
26:43
really is. It's a lot closer.
26:45
You get to it the farther away. It feels, it's so confusing.
26:51
Let's just read the very basic definition of the force.
26:56
Let's go. To the original everything,
26:59
right? The force was an energy field
27:01
created by all life that connected everything in the
27:04
universe and was known by a variety of names throughout
27:07
Galactic history. So as Obi-Wan says to Luke
27:10
Skywalker, quote, the force is what gives a Jedi, his power.
27:14
It's an energy field created by all living things it surrounds
27:17
us and penetrates us it binds the Galaxy together and quote.
27:21
So I could see that if it's an energy field if you continue to
27:25
remain in that energy field after After death, you could
27:28
continue to use it per se to communicate and instruct or as
27:36
long as you're leading someone on towards the light in their
27:39
living form. I've never seen a force ghost,
27:42
do anything nefarious. When that?
27:44
You can't be, I guess. According to the rules.
27:48
They've established, you can't be a force ghost if you're not
27:51
selfless which is why the Sith can't preserve their
27:54
Consciousness because they're selfish that Do I like all the
27:58
ghosts are good? I guess.
28:01
Yeah, this is so funny to be because Leia becomes a force
28:06
ghost, right? And we had, we had questions
28:07
about that. Yeah, so but I think by default
28:12
and that's kind of what they were implying because she was
28:14
so, like, pure of spirit because she was the ultimate selfless
28:19
being, you know, she was always fighting for a cause Beyond
28:22
yourself. Yeah, and so like naturally when
28:26
she died, she would be a force ghost.
28:29
But she was also studying, you know, she was training with
28:32
Luke, and I do feel like they're twins.
28:35
So maybe there's a tie. They're absolutely spiritual.
28:39
And if Luke understood This and like, was had studied with Yoda
28:44
and Obi-Wan, and had learned how to join the living force, or
28:48
whatever. He probably taught Leia, and
28:50
even if he didn't teach her, they were tied together
28:52
spiritually. So, I don't know if it's ever
28:55
been like officially addressed or not though.
28:58
She just appeared and so it's again it's like, did they just
29:02
write that in without like, really reading about it and
29:04
like, understanding how Force ghosts work or did they
29:09
understand it better than all of us and they just haven't share
29:13
the information with us yet? I don't know.
29:15
It's, it's fun. Like it's fun to talk about this
29:18
but like you said before we started recording we don't
29:20
really have any answers. No, we're just Just we're doing
29:25
a study in trying to figure out. Well, first of all, we talked
29:28
about the origins of it and from there, it just got more
29:31
complicated because George Lucas's.
29:33
Brain is a different type of brain.
29:35
Seriously, as a writer, like we both are writers.
29:39
This just blew my mind as like a creative person.
29:43
It's like I've written novels that aren't Star Wars related
29:46
and I'm always working on something.
29:48
That's not Star Wars related never in my whole life if I ever
29:52
decided to come up with a whole new.
29:54
Religion explanation for existence like symbiotic
29:59
creature. That gives you.
30:01
My brain is just exploding because it's like, who's mind
30:07
works like this, you know, it's like, who has the time for their
30:11
mind to work? Like this.
30:13
How often are you taking a shower, George Lucas, where you
30:16
stand there and think about these things, because that's the
30:19
only time of peace. I have to think about anything
30:21
random me to shower taking you A shower, a driving or taking a
30:26
walk. Those are the only three times
30:28
that I like my brain can have times.
30:31
It's true writing, it's true. So yeah, I don't know.
30:36
How do you feel about it? Do you like this explanation for
30:40
what the Williams Force do? You mean specifically with Leia,
30:43
becoming a force ghost, or just the wheels, and just in general,
30:46
like, what are your feelings on it?
30:49
The parasite midi-chlorian thing is weird, but it's always been
30:53
weird to In Star Wars, I do like that those, there's a greater
30:59
thing watching over it by asking me this.
31:02
We're talking about the greater topic of like, does destiny.
31:06
Exist, is everything predetermined or do we seal our
31:10
own fate? You know, and I think about
31:11
Vikings who thought everything was predetermined that they were
31:15
just on this path and at the mercy of their predetermined
31:18
Destiny, and yeah, you know, and that sort of thing.
31:21
And I don't know that, I believe that because we, Saw with Anakin
31:25
that, it's both yes and no to his Destiny, right?
31:28
He fulfilled the destiny. He just went in a very
31:31
roundabout, long-ass way of doing it.
31:34
That resulted in a lot of terrible things, right?
31:36
Yeah, I like the idea of the priestesses that we see in the
31:40
Clone Wars that gives it a little more concrete, like
31:44
something tangible to work with. Other than all of this like
31:47
philosophical. They have their hands in the
31:49
destiny but they don't at the same time and people can choose
31:52
but then they're also like manipulating And working with
31:55
midi-chlorians all this. It's a little much.
31:57
So I'm okay with certain aspects but not with others.
32:00
When I always come back to the ultimate question of like, why,
32:04
why are they bothering? Ya know, I love the idea of the
32:08
force. I believe the force exists right
32:11
now in this lifetime. Yeah, I believe everything is
32:14
connected. All living things are connected.
32:16
That's why as humans we have to be very careful about our
32:20
environment. We have to be very careful about
32:22
what we do to it. Because it's a ripple effect
32:26
that we may not see, but, it's happening.
32:28
Anyway. All living things are connected.
32:31
Yeah, it's a chain Force exists. It's a chain.
32:33
Yeah, Mmm. Yeah.
32:35
And there are like, think about it on this level two, there are
32:39
animals that can see and hear beyond what humans are able to.
32:43
There are colors that exist that we can't see as humans.
32:47
So like to assume that it's the only things that exist are what
32:51
we can see and touch with our own.
32:54
Physical existence is already disproven because there are
32:57
other living creatures that can go beyond what we can.
33:00
So imagine what an even heightened being could
33:04
experience and see. So like, I mean, human bodies,
33:07
if you'd want an even take spirituality out of it, you're
33:10
an electrical being, you have an electrical force field.
33:13
It's what powers your brain and electrical stuff extends Beyond
33:18
its own container. So it's not like totally crazy
33:21
to think that like your electrical energy is Sending
33:24
beyond your skin at the very least, which would be the same
33:27
for trees and grass. So, as you walk through nature,
33:31
you literally could have like your energy kind of touching
33:34
each other. I know that sounds like really
33:36
crazy but it's actually not. It's what is it?
33:39
What is it, like, thermodynamics or whatever?
33:41
The fuck it is, it's like where they realized that all existence
33:46
is not solid, its energy moving it is, it is.
33:51
Yeah, and that's why you can think of it, like, You get a bad
33:55
vibe from someone. That's an energy.
33:56
You get a good vibe from someone.
33:58
Why do animals not like certain people but do like somebody.
34:02
I mean it's all energy and if you think about it, what's
34:05
powering human beings is energy in an atom.
34:08
I mean the smallest and submitted Korean.
34:11
Isn't it? A glorious?
34:16
There are atoms. And what's inside our atoms?
34:18
Those are the wills. Yes, Jesus Lord.
34:27
But you're right, I mean, even think about like, when there's
34:29
going to be an earthquake or a volcano animals can sense it.
34:33
Like, when I was in geology class, we were talking about
34:37
earthquakes in particular but volcanoes as well.
34:39
They say, one of the indicators is the animals, leave the area
34:43
in a mass correct like in a very unusual speed all at once, there
34:48
will be no birds, they'll be no squirrels and it could be days
34:52
before the event even happens and that's because they can tell
34:56
some Is up with the Earth. They can feel it.
34:59
It's pretty amazing. So yeah, I definitely won one of
35:03
the many reasons to love Star Wars is the way it ties into
35:06
this stuff. I just never thought when we
35:09
said we were going to research this that we were going to go
35:11
back to the very very beginning of George.
35:13
Lucas's, original ideas. I had no clue.
35:16
I didn't either. I had no idea that this had
35:18
always been part of his. Basically, it's his own
35:21
headcanon. Think of the shit that Dave
35:25
filoni has to know. Before not high-end stuff like
35:28
the been do and the yeah the ashla for the for the
35:32
novelization for Ahsoka and yeah, all this shit and I hope
35:37
we get to see more. I hope we get to see more maybe
35:41
in Future Works. They are like Jedi, those two.
35:43
It's like George. Lucas is the Grand Master and
35:46
he's passing his knowledge on to the master, they will
35:50
communicate after death. Series will still be sitting
35:54
around. Dave, filoni in is Pittsburgh.
35:56
One's hat will be sitting around as a force goes with George
35:59
Lucas in his Costco, white sneakers.
36:02
And they'll be talking about this shit as Force Coast I
36:05
believe this. Yeah, I agree.
36:12
Oh my God, it's Costco sneakers, you're fucking killing me.
36:17
You know, the one. Oh, I do.
36:18
It's a real thing. It's a real thing.
36:21
And the jeans, the dad, dad jeans, the plaid shirt, and the
36:25
white sneakers. It's a look, it's a mood.
36:29
Yeah it's a choice when you're that rich.
36:35
It is a choice like it is a joke.
36:45
Now it's your turn listeners. What are your thoughts on the
36:49
wills? Do you like the idea of it being
36:51
kind of a symbiotic, relationship?
36:53
Do you interpret it, more Jazz, an energy force, Interested how
36:57
you interpret the wills because it is a deep and complex subject
37:02
so like sure is and I said, we don't really feel like we have a
37:05
good grasp on it. Even after all this research, so
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