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Jumanji (1995) & Jumanji (2017) with Brodie Reed · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: this is an ambitious episode. This is the first time
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  Speaker 1: we've tackled two movies at once. Yes, and here's our guest,
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  Speaker 1: fist pumping into the gas. So ready, she's so ready.
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  Speaker 1: So our our guest today. He is a very funny
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  Speaker 1: Brodie read yea the plug you asked videos on my website.
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  Speaker 1: It's our Yeah, it's our scary Stepford community where we
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  Speaker 1: record our podcast. So, Brodie, you when we were asking
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  Speaker 1: you what movies a few movies you might want to discuss,
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  Speaker 1: and then you had said Jumanji, either the old one
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  Speaker 1: or the new one, and then we got an idea,
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  Speaker 1: why why sho? I was hoping you guys would do
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  Speaker 1: this really opening my heart of hearts. Like when I
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  Speaker 1: said could be either, I was like, what if they
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  Speaker 1: pick so welcome to that Jumanji versus Jumanji episode I
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  Speaker 1: could we could put in a little like a or
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  Speaker 1: not and just leave this descriptions. But to be clear,
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  Speaker 1: I'm rooting for both movies equally. Okay, so Jumanji and Jumanji.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen exactly two thirds of one of these movies.
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  Speaker 1: Actually it was save closer to one half because with
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  Speaker 1: obviously from here on out spoiler alert, I just went
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  Speaker 1: to see Jumanji the new one with my movie Pastil,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't have time to see the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yes, stay told Nick Johnny shows up,
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  Speaker 1: So I stay for an hour. Nick john shot up
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  Speaker 1: and like, thank god he's here, but I have to leave.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't miss much? Yeah, no, I I got a starmaking performance. Wow, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: but we are and we're off. Nick Jonas is a star,
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  Speaker 1: very talented. Yeah, I came running. Yeah, So Brodie, when
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  Speaker 1: did you first see M Did you grow up with
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  Speaker 1: the original origin? I was born in eighty eight, so
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  Speaker 1: I was a straight up nineties kid. Um definitely hit
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  Speaker 1: me at a time, like I would say, close to
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  Speaker 1: like space jam of just like this movie was just
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  Speaker 1: destined to be in my life from like an early point.
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  Speaker 1: I've definitely seen it on TV or otherwise probably ten
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  Speaker 1: times or so, and it's just like ingreen into my memory.
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  Speaker 1: And as I was like looking up this movie to
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  Speaker 1: remember stuff for the podcast, I was like, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: as like critically well received as I I had. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a perfect movie and as like fifty A Pricent
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  Speaker 1: and Run Tomatoes or something, Yeah, the same thing. The
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  Speaker 1: new one was pretty well reviewed, which was and you
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  Speaker 1: know what, I loved it. I loved the Well anyways,
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  Speaker 1: what's your experience with Jumanjika? So it came out in
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  Speaker 1: when I was like nine years old. It was the
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  Speaker 1: exact right age to just be obsessed with this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Bitch Bitch on thirty one. I love it And I
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  Speaker 1: saw this movie dozens of times growing up, and I
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  Speaker 1: probably haven't didn't watch it for a good two decades
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  Speaker 1: or so, but this was a huge movie from my childhood.
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  Speaker 1: My family would yell at me because all I would
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  Speaker 1: do is just explain the plot to them, and they're like, yeah, Caitlin,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen it. It's a pretty there's a lot of story,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a lot going on. There's a lot going
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  Speaker 1: on in the first Jumanji. I have lots of questions.
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  Speaker 1: I never I was too young to see Jumanju when
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  Speaker 1: it came out, and then I think when I was
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  Speaker 1: getting older, my this is just like one of those
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  Speaker 1: weird movies where my mom's like it seems inappropriate, or
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  Speaker 1: we just we just didn't watch. We were not a
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  Speaker 1: Jumanji home. We were a Titanic home. When we're at home,
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  Speaker 1: we're not a Jumanji home. So I saw it obviously
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  Speaker 1: this morning, this morning, immediately before I got here. Do
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  Speaker 1: you even watch the Jumanji cartoon? No, we didn't watch
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  Speaker 1: that either. I didn't know. I knew there was a cartoon,
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  Speaker 1: but what was what was the cartoon about? Was it
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  Speaker 1: like it was far removed? It wasn't far removed at all.
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  Speaker 1: It was about the Allen character who lived in the jungle.
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  Speaker 1: It was just about them, like going to the jungle
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  Speaker 1: lad he lived in. So it was like animated that time.
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  Speaker 1: Betwe I don't remember this cartoon at all. Oh it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was really cool because instead of being in the
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  Speaker 1: real world and having the jungle come to there, they
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  Speaker 1: were just like in the jungle, Baul, not unlike not
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  Speaker 1: unlike the Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle two thousand seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. And there's also that movie or a space
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  Speaker 1: oh story that was like this is the spiritual sequel
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  Speaker 1: to jumon about that movie, and it kind of was.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was okay, it was like space Jumanji. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I never saw it. It was very moody and weird.
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  Speaker 1: It was a little too moody. Yeah, Christen Stewart was
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  Speaker 1: the lead. It was a little too moody for a
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  Speaker 1: fun movie. You can't just be like, Christian Stewart's the
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  Speaker 1: lead and it's a really fun movie. Yeah, he is, like, well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, very like a dangerous movie and a
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  Speaker 1: very fun movie. Extremely Yeah, it's why. Yeah. The Roger
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  Speaker 1: a review of this movie the original Jumanji. He said
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  Speaker 1: it is a gloomy special effects extravaganza filled with grotesque
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  Speaker 1: images generating fear and despair one point five out of four.
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  Speaker 1: I it is you've eber to narc He's looking dweam listen.
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  Speaker 1: I love him, but he's wrong. He's wrong a lot. Well,
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  Speaker 1: even in when c G I was pretty brand new,
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  Speaker 1: I knew that the c G I in this movie
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  Speaker 1: was terrible. I was like, as a nine year old,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, this is bad, and I
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  Speaker 1: hope it gets better. We're a good mix of special
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  Speaker 1: in practical effects. Yeah. I liked the lion. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: hated them. The monkeys were uncanny. Valley as hell that was.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is no one knows where to look.
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  Speaker 1: The islands insane. They're like looking across the room and
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  Speaker 1: it's like look a monkey, and it's like somewhere else.
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  Speaker 1: It's all over the place. So wait, okay, so let's
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  Speaker 1: tackle this. Will go old Jumanji, New Jumanji than Jumanji
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  Speaker 1: versus Drumandi Ultimate Ultimate show Down, which is the superior
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  Speaker 1: Rumandi the twist. It's okay, there's a lot of great
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  Speaker 1: things about the first Jumanji. It's weird. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed the first Jumanji more, but but they were
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  Speaker 1: both so fun and the second one is like I
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  Speaker 1: feel like richer and like I don't, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There was like there's they're both good. They're both good,
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  Speaker 1: and they're wildly different. They're wildly different, extreme, like it's
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  Speaker 1: decades removed in its shows, like the people who made
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  Speaker 1: the first one had nothing to do with people who
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  Speaker 1: made the second one. And I still like both of them.
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  Speaker 1: But it's still all dudes. That is something that is
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  Speaker 1: the new Drumanji. It is kind of wild, like how
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  Speaker 1: it was written by four dudes, was directed by dudes,
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  Speaker 1: produced by three dudes, and it's still not the worst,
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  Speaker 1: like it does well, but it's still I was so hope.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, there's four writers, all dudes. They
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  Speaker 1: asked their girlfriends at some point, Okay, they're like, can
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  Speaker 1: you read this draft and let me know if it's
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  Speaker 1: problematic because it doesn't pass a battel test and Jack
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  Speaker 1: Black is a woman. We had a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: tweeting at this when this movie came out, and there
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  Speaker 1: was a whole discussion and so dive into get there
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  Speaker 1: that later first Trumanji, I have to say, my favorite
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  Speaker 1: part of the first Trumanji is the fact that Lilith
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  Speaker 1: from Fraser is in it. Aunt Nora, Baby new Worth, Baby,
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  Speaker 1: that's Lilith. I didn't watch that show that much. He
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  Speaker 1: never gets see baby new look not extremely severe and
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  Speaker 1: yelling at Kelsey Grammar and it you know, it was great,
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  Speaker 1: it was great. Now she was just she's kind of
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  Speaker 1: caffeying out in this movie. She's kind of like at
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  Speaker 1: you know, like kind of running around like where where
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  Speaker 1: the orphans kind of thing. But I like her and
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  Speaker 1: I shipped her in the Police Officer David. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, they had the smallest of moments and
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  Speaker 1: you're just like I would watch that sect. This movie
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  Speaker 1: is David Ellen Greer's whole career to me personally, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I know, he's got a rich career. I've seen none
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  Speaker 1: of nothing else, not even dag on NBC or whatever. Now, No,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen Dad. I've seen a little bit of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in Living Color that I can remember in
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  Speaker 1: Black Man and stuff, and but I mean, this is good.
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  Speaker 1: This is David Ellen Greer hot. Let's just get that.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty much a hot man in this movie hot. He's
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's Okay, should we do the recount, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let me do that, having a panicy We're all we
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  Speaker 1: don't we're doing two movies and we don't even really
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  Speaker 1: have a handle. Youre are like Nigel Billings, you are
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  Speaker 1: Darby or right Star. Yeah. I was happy to see
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  Speaker 1: him in that movie. There's too much to talk about today,
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  Speaker 1: Okay we start Jumanji. Loure begins in basically nineteen sixty nine,
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  Speaker 1: where a young kid named Alan Parrish has a daddy
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  Speaker 1: who is not very nice to him. And but and
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  Speaker 1: it's a daddy daddy. He owns a factory, a shattery,
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  Speaker 1: and somehow they're informously wealthy. Yes, daddy played by the
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  Speaker 1: guy who plays Mr Ismay and Titanic totally didn't. Really,
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  Speaker 1: you're killing it with the recognizing people in Titanic, I'm forgetting.
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  Speaker 1: This takes place in New England at a shoe factory,
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  Speaker 1: which I literally do think is a reference to my hometown,
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  Speaker 1: brock to Massachusetts. I don't know if you've ever seen
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  Speaker 1: my toadbag I carry everywhere that says brock to Massachusetts,
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  Speaker 1: the shoe city. But there was at one time in
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  Speaker 1: my hometown only shoe factories, and now there's they're all
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  Speaker 1: abandoned buildings. It's a troubled place, but there's still one
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  Speaker 1: shoe factory open called foot Joy check it out dot com.
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  Speaker 1: And I want you to know I have a respect
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  Speaker 1: for cobbling in all kinds of shoemaking. It's I'm from
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  Speaker 1: a cobbling town. And so immediately it was resonating. And
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  Speaker 1: then they say New England. I was just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this takes place in like Brantford, New Hampshire, Rockton, Massachusetts,
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  Speaker 1: the shoe city home of Rocky Marciano, so Allen Parish.
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  Speaker 1: He's like getting bullied and his dad's all like, you
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  Speaker 1: need to be more of a man. And he discovers
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  Speaker 1: not far from the shoe factory, this like board game
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  Speaker 1: and he's like one cool wooden board games a wooden
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  Speaker 1: board game. It looks expensive. It's a hot prop. Its
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  Speaker 1: prop shouts out to the prop guy a woman, yeah, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: or non binary person. We don't know who made the
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  Speaker 1: prople don't know. They didn't have non binary back at me?
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  Speaker 1: Was the prop master? We don't know. So he brings
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  Speaker 1: home his board game Jumanji and his friend Sarah comes
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  Speaker 1: over and they're like, well, what if we just play
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  Speaker 1: the game that we found mysteriously. Uh yeah, there's drums beating.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's tense, so only kids can hear the drums.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the Polar Express, but not bad. So they
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  Speaker 1: start playing this game and right away they realize it's
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  Speaker 1: not like other board games. Oh I know, Manic Pixie
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  Speaker 1: dreamboard game it is. It's like have my handcrafted little
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  Speaker 1: figurine of my own. It's something you'd find on Etsy. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So there's something was sterious about this game, and it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, bad things come out of it. There's bats
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and then Alan Parish gets sucked
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  Speaker 1: into the game and the girl Sarah runs away. She
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  Speaker 1: streaked out. She doesn't know what to do. Are you
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  Speaker 1: not a strong female protagonist if you can't handle a
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  Speaker 1: house full of bats? Right? Yeah, he dumb bell. She
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  Speaker 1: gets a chancer herself. Twenty six years past, six years passed.
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  Speaker 1: Wrap that around your brain, Alan, it's referenced that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I have a serious plot question. I can't tell how
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  Speaker 1: much of this was true or how much of it
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  Speaker 1: was like speculation on the part of the guy. This
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  Speaker 1: is a bow is second of all, No, there's like
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  Speaker 1: a part where they imply that, like everyone thinks that
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  Speaker 1: Alan's dad killed him and chopped him up in a
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  Speaker 1: bit and hit him around the house. So did his
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  Speaker 1: dad like go to pray? Is it? No? So he
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  Speaker 1: just in theory everyone thought he murdered someone and got
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  Speaker 1: away with it. It was just like him yelling at
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  Speaker 1: him at the shoe factory when he ruined the machine,
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  Speaker 1: like he's got motive he yelling, Well he did. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that is actually kind of like when he was
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  Speaker 1: insisting that Alan get his ass kicked to build character.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe he is, no, but daddy could never
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  Speaker 1: kill No. So yeah, he just disappears and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: they never figured out what happened to him, and then
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  Speaker 1: his parents die in or something like that. You see
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  Speaker 1: the gravestone, so it was a murders suicid. They don't
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  Speaker 1: address that in the pot, just that's The next twenty
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  Speaker 1: six years passed and there's now a new family moving
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  Speaker 1: into the big parish mansion again. They are millionaires and
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  Speaker 1: they got their fortune from their shoe factory. Lilith. The aunt,
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  Speaker 1: whose name is Aunt Nora in the movie, is a
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  Speaker 1: different um. Wait what okay? And the person Dones and
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  Speaker 1: the voice of Tales from Son Yeah and Chip from
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  Speaker 1: the Beast. Oh oh, okay, I depressed. Okay, So those
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  Speaker 1: characters names are Judy and Peter, and they're like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, twelve ish and nine ish will say, and
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  Speaker 1: their sister and brother and their parents died in a
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  Speaker 1: tragic car accident. No, they went to go skiing, but
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  Speaker 1: they died in a car on the way. You're freaking facts.
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  Speaker 1: That's way more interesting. They're okay. So they moved into
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  Speaker 1: the house with their aunt Nora, and they discover the
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  Speaker 1: board game Jumanji that had been left behind. There's drums.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, what are the what's the source of these drums?
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  Speaker 1: So they go up into the attic and they find
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  Speaker 1: this board game and they start playing it. But the
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  Speaker 1: two pieces that were used by Sarah and al In
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine we're still there. So they're like,
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  Speaker 1: what's this all about. They started some some mosquitoes show up,
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  Speaker 1: some monkeys show up, and they're like, I think this
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  Speaker 1: came out of the game. What's happening? And then little
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  Speaker 1: Peter rolls five or an eight remembers a five, and
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  Speaker 1: then Alan Parish as a twenty six years later, as
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  Speaker 1: Robin Williams shows up and he's been living in the
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  Speaker 1: jungle this whole time. What a twist. What a twist.
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  Speaker 1: So they're like, oh my god, you need to help
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  Speaker 1: us play this game because it's scary and these like
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  Speaker 1: monkeys and mosquitoes are scary, and he's like, no, I
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  Speaker 1: just finally got out. I'm not going to do more
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  Speaker 1: Jumanji stuff. This is so this whole sequence is so sad,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, as in most Robin Williams movies, and
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  Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that this is a very
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  Speaker 1: like complex, interesting plot, Robin Williams, I feel like you
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  Speaker 1: just just like in his contract, he's like, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be shouting warty percent of the time. A lot
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  Speaker 1: a lot of very sad dialogue is screamed. But they're like,
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  Speaker 1: he comes out, he thinks he's still nine, which is
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  Speaker 1: confusing because even a nine year old would know that
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  Speaker 1: they were like fourty. But whatever he would have gone through,
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  Speaker 1: he went through puberty and most of his adulthood in
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  Speaker 1: the jungle by himself. Yeah, he's never kissed a girl.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA I didn't even think of that level. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: probably is never fucked. He loses his virginity to an
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  Speaker 1: extremely adult Bonnie Hunt that's wild, but he like tears
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  Speaker 1: through the town, finds out his parents are dead, like
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  Speaker 1: just like all these horrible things, and then the kids
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  Speaker 1: are like gaslighting him into continuing to play this board
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  Speaker 1: game that ruined his life, which he agrees to do,
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  Speaker 1: and then they find out, oh, there's still another player.
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  Speaker 1: We need to go track down Sarah, who has turned
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  Speaker 1: into this like psychic mystic type person, and she has
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  Speaker 1: like suppressed the memory of Alan disappearing all those years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, now she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: like the thing that I had to convince myself was
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  Speaker 1: not real, it's real. So they finally all sit down
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  Speaker 1: and start playing, and then all this other crazy stuff
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  Speaker 1: comes out of the game. There's the Lion, there's some
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: quicksand there's a hunter who untas colonialists played by the Dad.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: There's an earthquake, there's a monsoon, um a stampede. Yeah,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: so they're, you know, dealing with all these obstacles that
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: are coming out of the game, and then the way
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: to make it all go away is the first token
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to reach like the center of the game, and they
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: call out Jumanji, and then it's all over that ends
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: up happening. They win, all the stuff gets sucked back
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: into the game, and there's like some Danue mall at
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the end where right, um, young Allen is like, how
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: do any degrees do you have? Yeah? So then young
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Allen is like, oh, we're young again, and I can
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: like appreciate my dad, who was also mean to me.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: But when I still doesn't super like very at the end,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: suddenly becomes a very good guy and it's like, actually,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: boys can cry and you don't have to go to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: boarding school. I love you, and you're just like, where
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: did this come from? Daddy? Are you? I think Daddy
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: is drunk and that you just got like sauced up,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and he's like, actually, feelings are fine, gotta go. So
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: then while they're still young, Allen and Sarah dump the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Jumanji board game into a river, and then the last
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: shot of the movie, we I think are to believe
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: that it washed up ashore in a different country, because
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: in France and somewhere in my bed. Um So that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: is pretty much where Jumanji Welcomed to the Jungle. Two
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: thousand seventeen picks up where a guy who is running
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on the beach still in Brantford, New Hampshire, finds lodged
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: in the sand the board game juman Jeanie brings it
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: home to his son, and his son is like, oh,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: who plays board Metallica? I'm all about video games. So
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: then Jumanji transforms itself into a video game. I love that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think that I that I love it. Yeah, it
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: really is. It makes Jumanji just like this kind of
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like science fiction. Like it's like this like like predator
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: monster thing that takes whatever form it needs to and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that changes everything, which is like, if we're to believe
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Jumanji that smart, wouldn't it be doing something different? Is
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: like officially like an evil thing. It's not just an animal.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Jumand is a straight up animal. Can turn into a
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: video game. And also so it changes into a video game,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: but it's still like not a video game that they
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: super want to play. They're like this VideA is old.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, why didn't turn into a better video game.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It turns into the kid who finds who's like, oh,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: this is like right up my alley, and then he
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: gets sucked into the game, and then twenty years pass right,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: twenty years passed and it has been gone for that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: amount of time. And then we're in present day circle
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen and there's a group of four
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: teenagers who all get detention. Um it is Bethany, Martha Spencer,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: and Fridge. Fridge a nerd, a jack hot girl, hot
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: popular girl, and just a girl who hasn't figured out
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: who she is. She's kind of grumpy, needs to discover
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: herself by being in a ridiculously hot body. That's how
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: she's going to find herself. Right on Fridge. They all
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: get detention and they find Jumanji the video game and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, what if we do this instead of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: there like detention duties. So they start playing the video
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: game and they noticed that one of the characters is
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: already taken, so they take the other four and then
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they all get sucked into the video game and end
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: up in Jumanji the Jungle. Yeah, they all pick very
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: specific characters to play. Yes, it's very important, and they
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: don't totally know what these people look like. They just
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: go based on their descriptions of like what their skills are,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: brave or you know, knows maps and stuff. And then
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: they just jump into this world where their bodies are
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: completely different, and then they're played by the highest paid
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: celebrities in all the land. So a nickel for every
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: time The Rock pokes his own muscle in this movie
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: and sounds so strong. I love it every time, like
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: he's having so much fun and we love him. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: if you don't love the Rock, you're violent psychopath. It's
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: strange how this really stupid divide used to see celebrities
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: on screen is like, I don't know, like, yeah, every
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: time he flexes, you're like fun. Yeah, I like that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: nerd flex right, It's great though, It's like, man, I
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: know it's great. So Spencer's the nerdy kid. He turns
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: into Dr Smolder Bravestone played by The Rock, um Fridge
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: turns into Franklin Finnbar played by Kevin hard Bethenny turns
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: into Shelley Oberon played by Jack Black, and Martha turns
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: into Ruby Roundhouse played by Karen Gillen. Right, So this
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: is our new cast that we're following for most of
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the movie, and basically they are tasked with returning this.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: It's basically the plot of Mowanna. There's a green precious stone.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I kept writing to this hard flubber that too, they've
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: got a rock of flubber. We've got to get to
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a second flubber, some old flobber, and they have to
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: return it to this jaguar statue to lift this curse
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that has been plaguing the jungle for some time because
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: this evil dude named Russell van Pelt. Van Pelt is
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: also the name of the man Hunter from the first
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Jumanchy Hot ref so um, They're given this green stone
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and they have to return it to the Jaguar. That's
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: their mission throughout the rest of the movie. So they
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: kind of barely matters it really. Yeah, it's more about
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: their like friendship and teamwork and all that stuff. So
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: they have like different strengths and weaknesses. And then they
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: eventually meet up with Nick Jonas's character, who is the
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: kid who got sucked into the game in six What
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a cool guy. The while the okay, the best part.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts about the marketing for Jumachy
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: is that the main billboard for this movie, and I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: guess it's sort of a twist that Nick Jonas shows up,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't enough of a twist to justify this.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: The people on the big billboards for Dumaji are Jack Black,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: The Rock, Kevin Hart, Karen Gillen, and there is a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: fifth spot. It's an alligator. Nick Jonas not invited to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the postern. There were separate you got literally gopaced c
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: g I alligator was like, that is fucking that is
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: cold blooded, Nick Jonas. Like the first couple of days
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: it was in the ears and it was like a
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: genuine surprise for like the whole thing. Jonas. People were
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: collectively like, uh okay, like a whole it was awesome.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So many people were whispering like wait, who's that Like
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Nick Jonas was like, oh, doesn't do so anyway, they
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you know, they go through all these different levels at
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the game, and there's these bad guys after them, and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: there's different obstacles they have to overcome, and then they
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: finally at the end returned the flubber, the fossilized clubberd
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the Jaguar, and then they call out Jumanji and then
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: they returned back to their normal lives in Brantford, New Hampshire.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Right in Brockton. They literally took the b R. I
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: really think that that's anyways, and then they meet up
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: with this kid Alex who is now Colin Hanks, which
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I buy. Nick Jonas to Colin Hanks. Well, Nick Jonas
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: is the avatar, so none that the avatars looked like
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the actual but still but still still but even Metallica
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: kid kind of looked like Nick Jonath k looks like yeah,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I mean they're all like black haired, white kids. Anyway. Yeah,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: so that's pretty much the end of the movie. They're
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: all like, oh my God. And then there's like a
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: subplot where Spencer likes Martha and they like each other
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and then they get together at the end kissing, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: there's kissing. Okay, So, um, now do we talk about
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: all of the women in both movies? I don't know
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: how to do this. Let's just start with version and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: then we'll go from there. I mean, there's what five
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: between them? Yeah, there's women total, not a ton. Okay,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: if we're going Jumanji versus Jumanji, which would you say
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: has the stronger portrayal of female characters because I I okay, well,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: let me talk through this because Okay. So in the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: first movie, the main characters are Judy and Sarah Whittle,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and for the most part, there's generally although it's not
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: totally balanced but sort of equal, like male characters doing
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: stuff to like save the day or get themselves out
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: of a sticky situation and female characters doing the same.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I would say Peter gets several big moments and Judy
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: gets almost none. Then, of course, like Robby Williams is
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: like doing stuff all over the place, and then to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a lesser extent, to a lesser extent, Bonnie Hunt's character
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Sarah is doing stuff. So I think there's more the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: male characters driving the story and kind of saving the day.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But also the female characters aren't necessarily dams old that
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: much because they're all saving each other right consistently. Even
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: watching as a kid, I was like, this is an
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: equal This is a good group. Ain't the team? Yeah,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Like they do function as a team, right, I don't know,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: there is Like I agree that like Judy and Sarah,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Like I would have liked to see Judy and Sarah
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: talk to each other more. There are plenty of opportunities
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and they do, Like I get that one of kind
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of like one of the stronger themes in the first
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: year Mondi movie is like, don't pump your young son
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: full of toxic masculinity, which is kind of cool because
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of you know, daddy and the whole thing. So we
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: see a lot of like Alan and Peter, I think
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: for that reason, and of like, oh, now Alan's daddy
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: aged and he's telling a kid to you know, nut
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: up and then he's like no, I'm sorry. He's like, wait, no,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I don't want to become my dad. Teeny six years
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: in the jungle, and I still became my daddy because
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: he's a whole I forgot to at some point because
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: he tries to cheat and then he turns into a
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: wolf boy. Yeah, well those are the rules of herma.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I love the wolf Boy. It's really good. My favorite
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the part that sticks in my brain the most is
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: when Alan pulls Peter aside and he just like rips.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It's such a dumb scene. Judy, it's weird because she's
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: kind of set up to be kind of like a
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: more complex of like, oh, she's processing her parents death
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: in a weird way where the first time we hear
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: her talking about her parents death, she's like laughing, where
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: she's like yeah, and it was so much like she's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: kind of like being silly about She's also like make
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: being a lot of ship up about them. She's yeah,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: she's like she's got a big imagination and she's just
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like lying to strangers about it. Right, She's not, She's
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: not like the other orphans. She's making fun of her
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: parents death. I mean that's the kind of anxiet identifying
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: with its like she's a creative type. Well, there's an
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: interesting dynamic with that, like brother sister duo, which we
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: see a similar situation in Jurassic Park, where it's an
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: older sister, older blonte sister, younger, darker haired brother. And
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: because I think we can assume the sister is a
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: little bit older, she's doing more of like I'm going
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: to protect my younger brother. I'm gonna do more stuff,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take more action. And I thought we were
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: going to see more of that in this movie as well,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: but kind of drops off in the middle. It does. Yeah,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the first challenge that comes out of the game is
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the mosquitoes, and in that scene, Peter is like keeled over,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: he's hiding, he's scared, he's not doing anything, but um,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Judy like grabs a tennis racket and starts like hitting
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the mosquitoes out of the window. So she's active in
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that scene, but after that she isn't doing a whole
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: lot to contribute to the events of the story. But
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: like I mentioned a moment ago, there's several scenes where
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: like Peter has this big moment where he either gets
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the game back after the pelican took it away, or
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: he gets rid of van Pelt in the store by
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: like launching a canoe at him, or he goes and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: gets the axe and then uses it to chop some
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: spiders away. So he's like doing all these things. It's
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: like saving people or like having a big redeeming moment,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: whereas Judy like doesn't get any moments like that. Really, yeah,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: because it's like she's set up as a character who's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: like they're the kids are grieving in different ways. It's interesting,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: but her art definitely kind of falls off in the middle.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: There's one they sort of try to like lazily tie
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it up where at one point she's like in Jumanji,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: injures her somehow and she's like, hey, you know, and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: then like Peter goes over here and she's like, actually, really,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I am sad our parents died. I'm like, wow, you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: only had to be assaulted by a board game to
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: be like, I'm sad our parents are dead, and that's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: sort of where she drops off. I feel like the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: more interesting choice, and also a better use of the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Sarah character would have been to give them similar moments
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: of like Robin. I almost get why Robin Williams is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: like bonding with Peter more and and all that, because
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: he's used Peter as himself. But it's like Sarah and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Judy could have had moments like that, you know, we
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: could have had, you know, maybe a stampede last or something.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: By the time we're at the end of the movie
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and they see the kids again after the years or whatever,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and then they like, it's like kind of an emotional
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: moment because they could finally get to see him again.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: That part, I'm like, looking at Sarah, I'm just like,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I guess she got to know him, like at parts
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: we didn't see, you know what I mean in between, Yeah,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: like they don't know each other as adults at all.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: This movie is also very weird, like chain reaction of
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: various people triggering other traumas of other characters the whole movie.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Like everyone, like the kids are like dealing with the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: recent death of their parents, Robin Williams pops out and
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: they're like, actually, you have to stay near this thing
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: that oppressed you for twenty six years, and he's like, rats,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I guess they do. And then they go find Bonnie Hunt.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: She women be fainting, passes out. They clearly without her consent,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: totoroer to a second location. You know how you're just
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: taking unconscious person without their permission to a second location.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: They bring her to the house and then she is like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: fully like losing it under She's like calling her psychiatrist
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: was like and it's like it's a weird, like not
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: very nineties attitude towards women going to therapy of like, oh,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: that's kind of like stupid, Like she's kind of crazy. Yeah, yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: like what a you know? She she goes to therapy
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: because something's wrong with her, and then they're like, you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the most upsetting moment of your life, you have to stay.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: And also Sarah's character, I'm like, she, I understand why
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Alan is a cartoon character, right, because he's been trapped
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: in a board game jungle for a quarter century. Sarah,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why. She's like, you know what, let's
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: involve two random children. She doesn't ask any of the questions. Yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, that would have been a longer movie at
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that point. But I I was like, man, there's no
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: there's no reference to the fact, like these are not
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: their kids, and well they have to they all have
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to play now because they're all to play a game,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: which I guess it's good that the movie requires there
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: to be two female characters, like the narrative is like, oh, well,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: we wrote it this way, so there has to be
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: these two women, because a lot of movies don't bother
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: to require there to be women there, including the majority
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of the second Jumanji movie. There's no portrayal of women
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: in the first Rumanji where I was like, oh, this
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: is bad, but there's just it just was like all
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: just like under used or missed opportunities, and like, I mean,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel that way about most black characters
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: in movies, so totally. But David Alinger is used a
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: great effect. He is in every era of this movie.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: He's I love I love him when he's making his shoe.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's great. Yeah. So the first jumach
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I mean it's very of the time. We're in the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: mid nineties. You know, filmmakers weren't like, oh, we got
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: to make sure we're servicing our female character as well.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So time I think it does. Okay, it does. Okay, Yeah,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: but fast forward to two thousand and seventeen. But every
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: should we not talking about thetel test with the first
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: one or should we do it all at once? I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't. Let's what are the rules we're
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: making this up. Let's do it now. Okay, So the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: first one I think does pass the Betel test. Yes,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I agree. There's a scene where Aunt Nora and then
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: we learned the real Estates lady's name after she has died,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: after she got bitten by a mosquito. She looks very dead.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: She looks dead alive in the New Time one, but
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Judy says, isn't that Mrs Thomas the realtor. So we
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: find out her name and she and Aunt Nora have
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a conversation about the house that Mrs Thomas is showing.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Everybody and Judy have a conversation where there was a
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: one line exchange the past where she wasn't talking about
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Derty right wherever right, Yeah, because they're like, oh, I'm
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: gonna put a bar over here, and she's like that
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: sounds lovely. You're and your kids are going to be
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: very happy, and she's like, actually their orphans. It's just like, actually,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: your realtor doesn't need to know that, but cool. Judy
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and Nora talk a few different one line exchanges between them,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and then Judy and Sarah, but not that much. Well,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: there's a scene between Judy and Nora where Judy is like,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: we found out why you got this house so cheap.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: A child was murdered here, and Aunt Nora's like, I'm
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: sick and tired of all your lies. You're grounded, and
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: then she's just like, find there's nothing to do in
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: this stupid town of Bracton, Massachu sits anyway, and she's right,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and f I I it wasn't alive, but I don't know.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Alan Parrish does get mentioned because she's like, oh Alan
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Parish got murdered. Yeah, but there were two lines there, Yeah,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: there were Okay, so yeah that I would say passes,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: and then later on Judy and Sarah. Judy says what's
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: going on and then Sarah's Oh, they're right outside that
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like discount supermarket store, and Sarah's like, oh, apparently there's
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a sale going on. I don't know if that's supposed
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: to be joked that, but it didn't land for me.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: And then some monkeys go by. It was flush. They
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: are the only characters who know what's happening in the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: store first term. Maybe they see just chaos happening and
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: they're like, it's a sale. It's like, no, it's all
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the ship that you unleashed from this game. Anyway. I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: think that was some like capitalism humor, like sales are
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: crazy because people are always shopping. Speaking of there is
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: well get to that in a second. So um. Then
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: three monkeys go by on a motorcycle and Sarah says,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: did you just see three monkeys go buy on a motorcycle?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And Ud He's like yes, And then Sarah says, good
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: girl passes the Bechdel tests. It sure does not tritting
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: down too. I also think there's commentary, not a deliberate
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: but it feels as though as a statement is being
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: made retroactively, where whenever Van Pelt goes to try to
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: buy a gun in the store, in the gun shop,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: he's like, I need to acquire a new firearm and
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the guy's like, oh, well, there's a waiting period, and
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: you're going to have to fill out some forms. And
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: then Van Pelt dumps a bunch of like ancient coins
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: in front of the guy and he's like, or I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: could fill these out, And then they gave him this
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: like insane assault rifle right away. And I feel like
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: that's a commentary on how easy it is to get
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: very dangerous weapons in this country. I think it's a
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: commentary then even maybe mean to make right like that
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: might have just been like this is how it is,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: because this is from the same director who directed Honey,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I Shrunk the Kids and Captain America The First Avenger. Interesting,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: a long, illustrious career, he's had interesting good for him,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: white guy, if you can believe it, I can't. Yeah, directed,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: but he started a lot of good movies. Does it
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: pass the factual test if it's baby and you worth
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: screaming at monkeys? Um, yes, I'm going to say the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: monkeys are screaming On that one. Monkeys are screaming, and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: they could be talking about men, right, The monkeys are
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: certainly talking about they could be m r. Monkey. We
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: don't know. You're right, You're right, you're right. That was
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: just a question I had, sure I appreciate the tough
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: questions you're asking. Thank you. Oh another thought on the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: first one, what if this is the prequel to Flubber,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: because then pan theory, okay, phan theory. We see them,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: they're married, my hunt Rob Williams at the end, and
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: they're like, we rescued your parents. Weird joke at the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: end of like we're gonna save your parents from dying. Hilarious.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I actually thought that was like, but then we don't know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: we don't know what like Alan does for a living,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: do we does he say he needs he needs their
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: dad's like marketing expertise for flubber, for flubbers, okay, ship Okay,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: so cheesy. It's so supposed to be, like they need
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to be marketing this new consumer product flubber. Also, flabber
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: does not hold up. I've never seen a flubber. That's fine,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't seen flubber in at least ten years. Well, yeah,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: please don't mention flabber in my presence. Just have been
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: triggered by a mention of flabber. Both this Jumanji and
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the two seventeen Jumanji have several cats. There's a lion
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: in the first one. There's some jaguars in the second one,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and I just want to take this opportunity. No, but cats,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: cats do have eight nipples. This has been cat Facts
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: with Caitlin Juma. Would I don't know if Alfre Millonnette
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: could he could be in Jemagic, I think he could be.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: He could have been daddy. I think he would be.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: He would have been a great daddy. I think he
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: would have been a good van in the new one, Oh,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: he would have. He would have been a good daddy
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: there too. Even though Van Pell doesn't like daddy like
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: he's given those vibes. He's like a lot of daddy
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: daddy heavy. There's I mean, like both of these movies
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: kind of have these overarching themes of like what does
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: it mean to be a man? What is a real man? Like?
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: That's because it's written by a bunch of frothy dudes. Well,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: that's one of the things I wanted to mention in
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: the first movie. So Alan's mother is present and there.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: But if there's a dad and a son, usually in
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: movies only that relationship gets explored like the father son relationship,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and the mother is often totally sidelined or just like
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: not even bothered to be written into the scenes insanely
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: so where in this movie. I don't even think the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: mom finishes a sentence successfully one time, where Daddy's always like, actually,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: you dumb bitch, get in the car. Like it's just like,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: oh no, we don't know what her name is, we
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: don't know anything, right, So yeah, that was there could
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: have been an opportunity for, you know, some mother son
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: relationship exploration. But of course Monte was written by the
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: same author as The Polar Express. Chris van Alsberg is
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: addicted to sounds that children can hear the adults can't.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: He's recycling material. Lazy, stupid, hot ache, Chris, Kiss my ass?
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Is he still alive? He's still alive. Kiss my ass.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I'll fight you. Is there anything another last thing about
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the first movie? Um, Sarah tries to surprise kiss Alan
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: when they are adults. She just trying to surprise kiss him. Well,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: she leans in for a kiss and rejects her. I
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: would say that's not a surprise, okay. I'd say that
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: she made an offer and he made a refusal, and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: she accepted that decision. She didn't Brendan Fraser and the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Mummy lungeon through a cage. But then they do share
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: a kiss at the end when they're both like twelve,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and she's like, I want to do something before I
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: feel like too much of a kid. That's weird, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: then she kisses him and he's all, that's yeah, but yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: So then they do share a kiss, and uh, it's fine.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, it's obviously the first movie
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: is very white and HEATERO. There's a lot. It's very
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I think four it does, it does all right, and
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: it's a fun movie. It's a fun movie. Do we
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: move on to the second one? I let's do it, okay,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I mean this movie said one's wild an interesting precedent
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: where one of the so there are two female characters
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and two male characters in this movie. There's a Spenser
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and Fridge, and there's Bethany and Martha. But as soon
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: as they turn into their avatars, which are the characters
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: we see for the most part in the movie on screen,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: turns into three men and one woman. So Martha she
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: gets into Ruby Roundhouse's avatar body, so she stays as
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: a woman. But Bethany ends up and she comes to
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Jack Flag and then there's that beautiful line rate of
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I'm an overweight middle aged man, Jack Black says, basically
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: looking to camera, which when you realize that it's you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Bethany the one saying, and she's fat shaming herself. That
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: her avatar because she's she is, but she's also stating effect,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: which is that Jack is an overweight, middle aged man.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: And I mean he's kind of fat shaming himself. Yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I mean as an actor. But right, there's a lot
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: of metasta. It's very meta, and that's the world we
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: live into as an eighteen seventeen is a meta year.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Well what's even crazier than that, to me is the
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: fact that so she is now in a male body.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: There's that whole scene where she has to pee. That's
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the scene where she says, come look at my dick, Martha,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: No thanks past the Bechtel test. I okay, this I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: don't know. This is our age old thing. Because when
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: we talked about this before, because a lot of people
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: were asking us about this, if whenever Jack Black's character,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: who is effectively a female character, talked to Martha, does
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: that pass the Bechtel test? And I think we concluded
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: that no, because the representation is still of a man
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: on screen, But then why don't get through a second time?
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I'm now like I'm willing to see either way. When
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I when I didn't watch the whole movie for some like,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: there were a few scenes between those two characters that
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't see the first time, and then I was like,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: but there there were some scenes between those two characters
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: that I did not, like, like let me teach you
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: how to be sexy instead of using the skills that
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: we know you have, like ship, Like that was like, Okay,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: this movie is written by four dudes. But there was
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: like other scenes where they were like getting to know
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: each other and like getting to understand each other. And
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: it's weird because like the four teenage characters are all
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: badly written of like there's no shades of gray in
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: terms of like nude Jack, weird girl, hot girl, and
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: so it's like all these like kind of badly written
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: characters getting a deeper understanding of badly written characters in
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: different bodies. It's just but there was like that scene
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: between Jack Black and Karen Gillen when they're like in
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the jungle and Jack Black is kind of like you
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: know you're I thought you know they were like, we
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: thought we hated each other, but actually we didn't, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: that's good. That's like kind of a stronger like female
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: friendship then was formed in the first movie, right, So
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: it's so it's a mind fuck. Yeah, I'm in the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: camp of I still think that the character is still
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: that girl, So I think that it does pass it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: It doesn't change the fact that it's still an on
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: screen representation of a man playing woman's character, which is essentially,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what the it's like a
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: cheat code, like the Hollywood cheat code totally is, but
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: it's played for laughs and in a more like equal worlds,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: then it would be cool it was the opposite maybe
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: then maybe, well that's okay. That's that's what I was
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: trying to grapple with because I was like, okay, well,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: we have a teenage girl character ending up in a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: male avatar body, which takes away one of the female
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: characters that we see representation of on screen. Couldn't we
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: then also have one of the male teens end up
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: in a female avatar body, because that would even not
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the representation. But then I was like, well, what are
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the implications of that, because as a horny teen boy
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: who if it's a movie, he's probably hetero, because you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: movies be very hetero. He would probably be like, oh,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna basically I don't know, assault my own poppy, Like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I don't like that could have happened. It didn't have
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: to happen if it if that is how the story went,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I'm I mean, if you gave Jack Black enough time,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: he would jerk because even says goodbye, or she Bethany
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: says goodbye to her penis at the end. She's like
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: that little dude, I say good night to my bye bye.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: There's I don't I don't know, so I something I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: thought was weird was like three of the characters when
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: they're put into the video game are put why like
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: everyone's out of their element physically, but they are all
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: in different bodies if we're to be fair. But but
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the protagonist, Spencer is put in a body with no
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: disadvantages or any like, is at no point like it's
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: different and it's uncomfortable because it's different. But in terms
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of like skills, weaknesses, none like hot, strong, He's really
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: not at a physical disadvantage, where in theory he upgrades
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: right and then everyone else is like challenged by their
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: new fleshy prison of like Fridge is suddenly small and
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: not as strong and like you know that well, I
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: guess it's like a well with math Suddenly I would
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: say that's true. But like considering that, like the Jumanji
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: methos is like it's it has to be such a
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: team dynamic when you think about I mean like being
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: like hot and strong and like all that stuff is sick,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: but really those are all like physical things ing so
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: it comes to like if I got to read a
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: map or if I got to figure out what poisonous is,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: it's like he doesn't. Those are his weaknesses, is that
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: he needs to rely on those people. I mean, like
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: that would be cool. If his weakness is like has
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: to rely on people dependent depend that would be my
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: video game weakness, good at walking long distances, And I
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: like that how efficiently they You saw those things as
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: jokes like eats cake, wasn't it? I like burst out
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: laughing because I thought that he was just like I
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: didn't know where that joke was going, and he literally
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I like totally saw coming. But then he's just it
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: just happened. The whole style of this movie is completely
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: different because it's just this like it takes place in
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: a video game, so these bigger things can happen, and
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: it sets up that the characters do have lives and
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: die like multiple times before it's like, oh the last
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: one or whatever. It is thrilling in a way that
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: like it really does remove a lot of the danger,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: but it just throws a jokes in and some silly,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: silly death. The rock flag is shoved off a cliff,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Kevin Hard explodes, Jack By, It's eaten by a hip,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: like lots of really violently. It's a funny movie. I really,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a fun but but like on a
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: on a discourse level, it is like what another thing is.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: So we talked about this in the lot of Croft
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: tomb Raider episode where Karen Gillen's outfit is. We can
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: assume the movie commenting on how unreasonable like female video
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: game characters present and how they're dressed and all that stuff.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: But again, I feel like that is the movie in
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the same way that it's like we're making jokes and
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: acknowledging that Jack Blank is taking up the space of
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: a female character, the way that Karen Gillen's dressed for
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the entirety of this movie is the movie trying to
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: like have its cake and eat it too, where it's
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: like we're going to acknowledge that this is like weird
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and it is sort of colm it's but it's challenged,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: it's just acknowledged. It's like mainstream feminism where people think
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that what people want from feminism is that like, oh,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I'm a woman and I can be sexy, and it's
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: just like there's a lot of screen time to vote
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: it to just be confident girl the whole Yeah, that
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that was like the main source of like the female characters,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: like aside from the mind funk of Jack Black, which
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I just don't know that we'll get to the bottom
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: of that. Maybe it'll just years and time and book
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: papers will need to be written about this decision that
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: was made. But when Bethany and Martha basically Bethany hot
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Instagram girl is teaching Martha who verbally abused as a
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: gym teacher and is like deified for it. Uh, She's like,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I don't like sports and I hate Jim teacher is
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: and then the gym teachers like cried that night. But sure,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: but so but then there's that scene where like, I
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: guess it's like Martha has to distract some male characters
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: and we already know she is two male characters. We
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: know that she is a karate master. They do throw
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: in that weird dance thing where then the second I
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: saw that, I'm like, that's the only thing we're going
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: to get to see her do is the sexy thing,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: or that'll be the thing we see her do the most.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened. Where the whole team for
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: they're usually a good team, but there's this one moment
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: where they're all like, Martha, you have to go be
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: hot at those men and if you don't want to,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: you can do it. We've never taken on that. I mean,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: guys at once. It's two guys there, the rock is
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: right there. They're like, it's there were so many options
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: and none are acknowledged. Weird choice it was. There's there's
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: a very very long scene where Bethany is Jack Black
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: teaches and that's I think I played for a lot
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: of jokes to it because it's, you know, Jack Black
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: pretending to be this like teen Instagram model teaching her
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: how to be, teaching her how to be desirable to
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: a man, and Martha is not good at that, so
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: she doesn't successfully seduce them or distract them. Really, she
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: only accomplishes what she set out to do, which is
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: to you know, distract them or whatever, defeat them by
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: actually utilizing her skills and her strengths and fights. The
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: fighting bas dances I feel like dances, but well, I
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think there's a decent length scene where
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: she is fighting three minutes to beat up to and
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: then and they were constantly like through a little things
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: where a male character would come out and be like, oh,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: it looks like you got this. Did I see that
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: during the rock scene? No, no, yeah, the fighting was
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: SEXI or there were moments where she's like, you know,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: kind of scrappy and like actually felt tough and felt
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: like she was actually fighting and not being all objected
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: by female action moves, which is which is a style
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: of like there's always that move where the woman like
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: jumps in like attaches their crutch to a guy's face
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: and then flips him down. I'm just like, does that
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: need to be in every movie? And like what do
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like the way she's she fights, this kind
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: of is kind of sexualized in a video gaming kind
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: of way. They make her dance before she fights, They
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: make her do this long goofy improv exercise. It just
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: looked like an improv one on one class of a
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: woman being forced to like goofully squish her breast together
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: to make you know. She called their manager after that.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I'm really yeah, I'm really UCB two oh one ship
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: going on in this scene, and I just like, you
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: can cut that scene and the movie isn't different. You
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: can have her fight in that scene, and it's it's
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: just that was that was some real, like mainstream movie
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: ship that didn't need to be there. And I would
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: argue that there's no part of that scene that is good,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: just a bad, bad five minute chunk in and otherwise
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: pretty fun. I mean, how I think that it should
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: have gone is because they do need to get into
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the transportation shed and there are those dudes guarding it.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: So I feel like it could have been the Rock
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: and Ruby, whose skills are fighting and physical strength, so
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: they should have approached the two guards like fought them
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: in like hand to hand combat while the other three
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: sneak into the shed and like get the helicopter like
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't need to be just her, it
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: didn't need from knocking the guards out, could have been
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: like ten seconds caught away just like well we did
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: it now, or if they wanted to go into that
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: storyline that badly. A choice that could have been made
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: that doesn't end with like and conventional hotness saves the
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: day is that if everyone is like, hey, go do this,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Go be hot at these guys and distract them, and
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: then we see her decide not to and you know,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: show her skills instead, and then they all have to
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: be like, well, maybe we shouldn't have said that. Yeah,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: that would have been pretty cool. Actually. Yeah. It's like
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: if like they did the Jack Black training thing and
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, this is stupid, I guess,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm just gonna punch them in the face. Right,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: we can have the dry black improv scene. You know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: you got this girl and ship, Yeah, and then and
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: then as long as the takeaway is like, but that's
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: not how you would actually resolve a problem. But I
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: feel like that doesn't fully come across right. Hated that, Yeah,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: that scene could have that whole sequence could have been
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: handled in a much more empowering way for Martha hated it.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: There is a moment I think shortly before that, where
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Spencer is consulting with Fridge and he's all like, I really,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I'm really into Martha. I don't know what to do
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: about it. And I think Fridge is like, well, she
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: likes you, but like she's into you, and then Fridge
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: foxdge Fridge Fox, that's been clear to us very early.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: One half half the cast Fox Um the Rock says
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: what if she tries to kiss me? And then Kevin
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Hart says, then just kiss her back man, And then
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Rock says, what if she tries to kiss me without warning? Oh?
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: You mean a surprise, kid. What I'm going to say
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: is just ask for consent everyone. If you want to
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: kiss someone, just you know, check in with them and
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: see if it's okay. Anyway, good point, Thank you so much.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Um Yeah, i'd uh, this is so weird. I don't know.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: And then Nick Jones shows up and it's like, you know,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: apparently I'm the only person in the world who was like,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: love it, keep him, he belongs here. You spend a
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: lot of time with like the casts, who in their
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: own right are like well sort of defined characters in
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: like a comic way even, and then Nick comes along
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and he's just like, well, here I am. He just
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: makes a bunch of jokes about that's literally all he does.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: There's also a moment where he's like getting introduced to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: all of them, and then they point to Jack Black
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: and they're like, this is Bethany and he's like, you're
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: a girl and she's like woman, yeah, and then Fridge says,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: in real life, you'd probably want to hit that, and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: it's like okay, So like there was a split second
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: where she was like feeling in power and she's like
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not a girl, and then woman like, oh, but
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: you want to fuck her for sure. By feminist icon
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Kevin harn I think at the end of the day,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you can make the argument that Jack Black's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: character is is of woman because that's just an avatar
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: that a female character is playing the game as. But
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you still the on
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: screen representation and is basically four dudes and one woman,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: because between the Rock, Kevin Hart, Jack Black, Nick Jonas,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: that's four dudes to the one woman figure that you
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: see on screen, right, So it's not I mean that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: means that if a woman had gone into another female
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: avatar body, that means that that actress would have been
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: paid for that role, but instead Jack Black is the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: person who got that. It sucks because it's like, I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: love Jack Black. I think he does a good job
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: with what he's given, feeling that that was the choice.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: I think he's and you usually hate Jack Black. I really,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I really like Jack Like, I think he does a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: good job in this movie. But yeah, it's like this
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: movie tries to have its cake and eat it too,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: in a way that I think will probably be a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: continuing trend in mainstream movies where they will try, you know,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: attempt to represent any sort of movement or progress while
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: basically keeping things the same exact way. Um, I think
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: this is a weirdly egregious example of that and kind
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: of a wide swing on the part of this movie.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: I think it works in the plot, but it doesn't
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: bode well for the world. Yeah, it works in a
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: popcorn way, but I mean, like even side characters. I
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: mean Restarvey's character could be a woman. Yeah, there's tons
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: of Yeah, it's we do see two moms, we see
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Spencer's mom, and we do see three female teachers. Oh
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: that's right, yeah, yeah, we none of them are given
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: names that I noticed the same, but they're they're gym teachers,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: a woman. The teacher who yells at Bethany for face
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: timing during classes of women, and then the teacher who
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: catches Spencer and Fridge cheating is a woman. So there,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: this is no excuse. And then also it's tricky of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: like to say, like, oh, Martha and Bethany are like
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: our trope characters, major league troope characters, but so are
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Spencer and Fridge. You good, You're just like characters are
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: not very well And I think, like narratively that almost
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: makes sense because you have to have pretty simple characters.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: There's so much expositions movie right where it's like, if
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: you're going to you can't put an extremely complicated four
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: extremely complicated characters into four different bodies and then have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: them get to know each other. And so I don't know,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: this movie is weird. Yeah, Like I see a lot
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: of meta trends like that in like big blockbuster movie
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: these days. Like my favorite movie from last year was
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Power Interest Power Interests. Wow, hot take and the same
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: thing of like like some subversions like they have like
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: a kid with Asperger's and stuff. But then like it's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: very much like I'm an angry lesbian or like I'm
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: a I'm a jock who is dad fucking doesn't understand right,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: But it's still like it does work. I know, it's
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: like for the movie, it works, but it's like it's
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: it's confusing. This movie is confusing, And now I feel
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: like I can fully understand why so many of our
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: listeners were like, I'm struggling with Jumanji. Yeah, but it's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: it is nice to see even though they're stereotypes, they
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: don't like treat each other super shittily, and they do
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: solve problems in a way that I feel like it
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: is like modern and like we're going to like get
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: to the root if your emotional issue and then try
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: to fix it this way. So it's like it oddly
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: shows progress on the first movie just because it took place,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty years after, but I mean not like
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: consciously it wasn't liked, yeah, where it's like trying to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: make a statement or like the male relationship definitely still
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: takes precedence over the female friendship, but less so in
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: the second movie. We at least see uh, friendship I
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: think start to develop between them, and then it's kind
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: of sold out later on. But there was that good
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: scene that I like between Karen Gillen and Jack Black
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: where they're like, we don't have to hate each other
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: where it is normally assumed there's two teenage girls in
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: a movie they hate each other or they're fighting over
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: a boy or and that doesn't happen here, and that's nice,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: and they state that pretty explicitly. That's good because as
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, as opposed to in the first Trumanji where
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: it's like there's a sale. Good girl is very cool. Yeah,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: So the second Jumanji movie is just you have to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: watch it. It's it's a wild movie, but it works.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I wonder if this will be one of those movies
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: it just gets forgotten and no one talks about it
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: in a couple of years ago, or do you think
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: it's gonna remember it but they will still talk about
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: it as a joke. Was I mean, how commercially successful
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: was this Jumanji movie? Oh? Oh ship, Okay, you know what?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Almost made a billion dollars? Yeah total, But like, holy
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: sh it, this move been so much money that I
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: just had, like my blood pressure just rose at seeing
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: how much money to the Jungle. It's the type of
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: movie that's gonna like crush in international markets. And it
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: was in theaters for like every a million years. It
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: was in Oh my god, this movie made so much money.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: That's crazy that they wouldn't put Nick Jonas on the poster.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: That's so violent of them to do. Oh, Nick Jonas,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: you know he doesn't have an acting career ahead of them.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Tell you what, He's just got a rich career crushing
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: pussy forever. Listen. Nick Jonas is gonna be fucking for
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: a long time. He's Oh God, I used to I'm
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: hot bragg a Jonas related bragg. My best friend, one
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: of my best friends growing up, Lois was really into
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: the Jonas Brothers. That's brag number one. She would drag
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: me to Jonas Brothers concerts, even though it was more
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: of a bread eye s girl myself. That's brag number two.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: But I would go because I didn't have any other friends.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: That's brag number three. And so there's one Jonas Brothers
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: concert in two thousand and seven. I think we're like
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: freshman in high school and they were filming a music video.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: So if you look at listener challenge. If you go
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: to the music video for when You Look Me in
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: the Eyes two thousand seven, you can see me in
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: the background looking very bored and the Jonah's Brother's concerts,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: it is clearly me. I look the same as I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: did when I was fourteen. Huge brag, huge brags. Sorry
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: about it, but you know people have to know, so congratulations.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I'll put it on the Twitter. Yea, please it? Does
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: anyone have any other thoughts about either of the juman Jees.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I love any movie that cooked into like saying the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: name of the movie over and over throughout the movie
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: is cooked into the title where the climax of both
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: of these movies have to be shouting the name of
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: the movie. I love it, I really I love it.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: I've want the second movie twice, and both times I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: did not appreciate the end beat where they were like,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: why isn't it working name? Oh yeah, welcome to the Jungle.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: No just Juma, Oh my god. Even another parallel to Mowana,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: where at the end of Molana is like I know
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: your name and it's our name is Jumanji? Yeah yeah?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: There're that amazing moment in Titanic where they shout titan as, oh,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: well this was Is there a better way to end
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: our time at the beautiful Jeff dog Jeff, Jeff simmer
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: down cool at Jeff. No, this was the best way
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: to do it. So let us determine whether or not
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle passes the Bactel test um.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: There are a few scenes where women in women identifying body.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to even okay, so hard hard
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: to know. So where Bethany is talking to her friend Lucinda,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: whose name we do find out, that does not pass
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: because they are talking about a man, and then the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: teacher comes up and interrupts them. But the teacher there's
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: three different interactions or no, there's two different interactions with
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: teachers that could pass up. The teachers have names, but
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: they don't, but they yeah, because moments later Martha yells
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: at her gym teacher and then gets to tention. But
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: we never a woman shaming a woman for her profession?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Does it fast the Michael test Not in this case,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: but it could. There is a moment when they're in
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: detention and Martha says to Bethany, are you going to
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: help or are you too pretty, and Bethany says I'm
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: too pretty and that technically beth as that does fast.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I had that written as like, yeah, there's we've been
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: encountering a lot of problematic passes recently. I know we'll
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: never top She's all that you should kill herself, but
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: but we can get close. Yeah we can. Uh. There's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: a few moments after that in the movie. They're like
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out whether or not they want to
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: play the Jumanji video game, and Bethany says, oh, she's
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: not big on fun, and then Martha's like fine, okay,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: and then Bethany says, this may be the lamest thing
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I've ever done, and Martha says, I highly doubt that.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the movie doubt shutting, but you said
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: that I didn't. That's out. Everyone take their bats out.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this passes or not, because they're
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: more talking into a void than to each other, so
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure about that one. Uh. And then okay,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: there is the scene where we've already talked about it,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: where Martha and Bethany but as their avatars, so Karen
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Gillan and Jack Black are like, oh, well, there's a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: moment where Martha's like, I need to borrow your jacket
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm wearing a bikini. So that's like,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: but it's not nearly again, her outfit is not challenged
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: nearly enough. No, no, not, I think not at all.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I think that that then there was I remember seeing
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: that like click bait written about when the first posters
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: were at least and then it was immediately diffused by like,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: oh it's okay because they're making fun of video games.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: It's like, are still bad? Yeah, yeah, it's like there
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: that that will change nothing. Yeah. I really hate the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: excuse of we're putting it in this context like as
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: a commentary, but we're still doing the exact same thing. Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I think the more effective tree there is, even if
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: she starts that way, have her change exactly. They go
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: to a bazaar. Surely there's like some clothes she can
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: she could have gone and then she and then we
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: can have women be shopping you. You can have the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: oh my god, the wonder Woman montage where they're like,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: well you can't make you less hot. There love a montage.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: But in that scene, Bethany's are like, couldn't judging me?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: And then Martha's like, I don't actually hate you, and
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: she's like really, and she's like, no, you just live
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: in your hot girl bubble where you're either being treated
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: like a princess or an object. And she's like, well, also,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: but you're is kind of mean and maybe you just
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: decide you don't like people so that they can't not
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: like you. That's the best conversation between women in the movie.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: And it does end with like, you're kind of hot,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: so just like own that. She's like, okay, well she's
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: like I'm hot me, and oh god, it's own it
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: as a man. As a teenage girl, I'm fourteen. Uh,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: But like when you're a teenage girl seeing a movie,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: there's nothing more like especially if you're like a weird
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: looking teenage girl who is I don't know, wearing a
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: back Brasen will never fuck right, I'm just pulling out
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: of nothing. But like it's going to see a movie
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: and seeing a very hot, like young actress be like
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I'm so weird and ugly it just makes you just
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: want to like murder someone. Like plenty of weird looking
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: young actors out here we've we walked past on the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: street all the time. But The question is, does this
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: scene past the back no test? I I don't know.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I want to say it does. It's it's en talking
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: to Jack Black, I think, but it passes on a
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: real technicality, right, But it's Bethany and Martha talking about
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: but just in bodies that are not their own. So
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it does. The man that
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: they're talking about is the body. Oh so god, what
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: movies mean? The scene the scene after this where they
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: talk again we're basically Bethany is teaching her how to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: be desirable to men. Doesn't pass because she is to
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: be like, here's how to be hot and distract men.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this one is is a contender. But yeah,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: I guess we say it passes because these characters still
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: identify as they identify as Bethany and Martha, and they're
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: talking as Bethany, and so I guess does Yes, I
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: still think it's cheating, but yes, it's it's Yeah, it's
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: a it's a gray area. But well, the Betel, you know,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have these kind of modern filters. Yeah, how
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: could Alison Becktel have predicted that Jack Black would be
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  Speaker 1: cast as a female wead? But the movie? So the movies.
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  Speaker 1: Even if this scene didn't pass, the movie would still
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  Speaker 1: pass from a couple earlier scenes between Martha and Bethany
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  Speaker 1: in their own actual bodies, and then a scene at
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  Speaker 1: the very end where Bethany is like, hey, Lucinda, let's
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  Speaker 1: go camping and she's like, what, you want to go
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  Speaker 1: backpacking in nature? And she's like, yeah, yeah, so yes,
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  Speaker 1: you learned so much in the Jungle Queen. So there
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  Speaker 1: you have it. Both movies pass the backtel test. But
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  Speaker 1: but Jumanji versus Jumanji? Which Jumanji Jumanji is the hardest.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say Milanna Wyethora versus mo Wanna. Which is the
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  Speaker 1: better Jumanji movie? Okay, I'm gonna say the first one.
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  Speaker 1: It's more iconic, it's got more fields. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: second one is more like a remix. It's it's like
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  Speaker 1: such a different thing. Like I appreciate it the same
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  Speaker 1: way I appreciate like some of the lesser like Star
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  Speaker 1: Trek series, where I'm just like, you're not as good Enterprise,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess still in the same universe, so I
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  Speaker 1: still love you well. Loser talk with Brody has started
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  Speaker 1: in Finish Loser, I'm very cool it's true. I think
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  Speaker 1: the first one too. Yeah, I mean the I think
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  Speaker 1: the nostalgia alone for me to just haven't grown up
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  Speaker 1: with this movie and seen it so many times. But
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  Speaker 1: the second one also super good. Then movies the movie
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  Speaker 1: shall we write them on our nipple scale, Let's do
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  Speaker 1: it based on the portrayal of women. So the first one,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, all things can sit ed, I think for me,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes down to if you examine, like the
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  Speaker 1: big moments that the male characters have in influencing the
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  Speaker 1: direction that the story takes, it's almost always either Alan
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  Speaker 1: or Peter doing like oh we I fixed it or
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  Speaker 1: I saved everybody or whatever, and the women get much
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  Speaker 1: fewer of those moments, and that I think is the
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  Speaker 1: biggest problem for me for this movie. So I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: give jam two nipples, and they belong to the lion,
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  Speaker 1: who mostly just camps out in the bed the whole movie.
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  Speaker 1: So it used to have a nice little relaxing time.
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  Speaker 1: Good for lion slays and for jumant you Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the Jungle. I think because it's it was made decades
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  Speaker 1: later and had the opportunity to maybe correct some of
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  Speaker 1: the issues from the first movie. Represent women better, give
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  Speaker 1: them more bearing on the story, give them more on
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  Speaker 1: screen representation. All of that, it missed a lot of opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: So also, the only woman we really see on screen
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  Speaker 1: is a conventionally hot white lady. Right for the direction,
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  Speaker 1: this is this has been lady talked with Freddy Heart,
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  Speaker 1: This is Freddie dating corners. Right. Both movies are very white,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, very little women of color representation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: basically nothing in either movie, right. I think for Jumanji,
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  Speaker 1: I think Welcome to the Jungles also going to get
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: to nipples from me um. I do like the both
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  Speaker 1: movies touch on like kind of toxic masculinity being spread
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  Speaker 1: from man to man and how that isn't serving anyone
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  Speaker 1: and how that's not the best way to approach things.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know. Again, there were more opportunities for
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  Speaker 1: things to be commented on, female actors to have more
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: bearing on the story for both movies. So yeah, both
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  Speaker 1: of them get two nipples, and the jaguar from the
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  Speaker 1: second movie gets my other two nipples. I'm down to
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  Speaker 1: go to and two as well, and I'm more annoyed
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  Speaker 1: with the second one for having to give it to
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  Speaker 1: the first one. Is all kind of I feel like
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  Speaker 1: par for the course nineties missed opportunities and not like
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  Speaker 1: thoughtless just movies did not consider much you know back then.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't't really have anything to add there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this the second one sucks because it is like it
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  Speaker 1: just it it feels like a sleazy like executive somewhere
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  Speaker 1: is like he he, we got all the themes in,
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  Speaker 1: but we have said nothing. Like it's just like it's
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: just like they they reference it. It's very Anything remotely
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  Speaker 1: feminist that's explored is commercial. You go, girl, feminism that
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: says nothing still doubles down on but you've gotta be
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  Speaker 1: conventionally hot and like it's funny to like not have
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: a perfect body for like an hour, you know. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and in that regard, I was like frustrated of like
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  Speaker 1: there was potential. They took some wide swings in some regards,
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  Speaker 1: but in terms of like making any meaningful commentary, which
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  Speaker 1: is you go to a Chumanji movie and you expect
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  Speaker 1: some meaningful commentary. But it was like there there could
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: have been you know, a better choices could have been made,
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  Speaker 1: and I think weren't intentionally so two and two throwing
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  Speaker 1: one to Bonnie Hunt throwing one to David Alan Grier
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  Speaker 1: throwing one Nick Jonas and the alligator that he will
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  Speaker 1: present until he dies. How many nipples zero to five?
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  Speaker 1: Got it? I think I'm going to go two and two. Also,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: I never had a problem like thinking of the female
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  Speaker 1: characters in the first movie as real people. So that's cool,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: both nipples go to Bonnie Hunt, and then the second movie,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: I think I feel the same. It's like, like, for
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: the reasons you guys have explored, it's not the most
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  Speaker 1: feminist movie, but does like give screen time to trying
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, all right, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I appreciate the effort, dudes. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll give it to one and a half nipples,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: and I'll give them to the hippo and hippo and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: probably the snake. Oh yeah, this is crazy, But I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: do think DRUMANGI Welcome to the Jungle is one of
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: the hardest movies we've ever covered on this show. It's
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: it's like very like it was a challenging There is
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: arguably a scene where she says, Martha, get over here
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: and look at my dick. No, thank you. That passes
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: the factel test. Maybe, well, I mean, we don't have
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: to talk. It's like, that's crazy that that is an
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: issue that's a talking point because they're not They're talking
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: about a part of a man assists man's body. Well,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: we don't know, man, I mean the man. Are any
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: of them technically sis because they're just like shells, you know,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: are any of the sexual beasts? But it is a
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: man that it's up to her if she identifies as it,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, right into the
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: video game characters, I would argue aren't sexual beings because
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: all the sexual vibes that we get are from the
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: characters and not the video game character. So they're not
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: combating against any sexuality from the video game characters. So
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's not fair. So then I think that
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: would pass the pactal test. One of our wildest passes.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's Jack Flag that say fat Oh my god. Instagram. Okay, well, Brodie,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thanks for having me on the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: last podcast. Keep it crispy, you guys. We h, this
• 1:21:57
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• 1:22:01
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• 1:22:03
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• 1:23:03
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