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Best Of Full Interview: Matt Barnes & Stephen Jackson Talk 'All The Smoke;' Podcast & Book, Kobe, Kamala, Bronny James +More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning, the Breakfast Club Morning.
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Speaker 2: Everybody is dej envy ess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We
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Speaker 2: are the Breakfast Club. Justice on maternity leave, so Lonlaosa
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Speaker 2: is filling in. And we got some special guests in
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Speaker 2: the building.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 1: We got Matt Bonds and Stephen Jackson. Welcome fellas.
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Speaker 4: How y'all feeling good, good, tired but good.
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Speaker 5: Good, collectively known as All the Smoke podcasts? Right, Their
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Speaker 5: new coffee table book is out right now, All the Smoke.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 5: You know, I always say, like, I know that there's
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Speaker 5: a lot of athletes who do podcasts and stuff. Now,
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Speaker 5: I don't know anybody before y'all. I feel like y'all
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Speaker 5: started that whole way. So to see y'all be the
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Speaker 5: first with a coffee table book, man, that makes so
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Speaker 5: much sense to me.
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Speaker 3: Man, it's been a blessed. It's been a journey. I mean,
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Speaker 3: our five year anniversary is tomorrow. Wow.
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Speaker 4: If you would have told me, like five years later
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Speaker 4: we'd have a coffee table book, a whole production company
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Speaker 4: and people working underneath, that's how it would have been, Like,
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Speaker 4: you're full of shit. I didn't even know what the
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Speaker 4: podcast was at the time. So you know, we're blessed
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Speaker 4: to come together and find lightning in a bottle and
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Speaker 4: thankful for the opportunities and obviously being able to partner
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Speaker 4: with you and your your company and be able to
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Speaker 4: get this done was dope.
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Speaker 6: A lot of people don't know that. Bro FA's out
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Speaker 6: to you. A lot of our success, you know, a
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Speaker 6: lot of stuff that we have going on. You brought
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Speaker 6: our way and you thought about us, even with black effects,
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Speaker 6: So we appreciate you. A lot of people don't know that.
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Speaker 6: So we got to get your props to.
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Speaker 5: All of my brothers. How did this come about? Through
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Speaker 5: this just for a podcast? Like I know, y'all was partnered.
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Speaker 4: To go I think I think Jack retired maybe one
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Speaker 4: or two years before me and we both got out
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Speaker 4: and we're doing ESPN and Fox and getting positive feedback
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Speaker 4: and people said we needed to do something together. And
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Speaker 4: we were at my house in the Bay one time
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Speaker 4: smoking and I'm just like, you want to do a podcast?
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Speaker 3: And He's like, sure, what is it?
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Speaker 4: I was like, I don't really know, but I I
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Speaker 4: think we can drink and smoke because we were working
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Speaker 4: ESPN and Fox. You know, you got to kind of
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Speaker 4: walk that line. So it was just a little bit
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Speaker 4: more to our comfort zone. And he said, yeah, So
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Speaker 4: I started doing the homework and we landed here.
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Speaker 3: We landed a showtime, and.
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Speaker 2: You interviewed so many, so many people. Who are some
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Speaker 2: of your favorite people that you guys have interviewed in
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Speaker 2: the past.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm a I'm a big hip hop guy
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Speaker 6: and the comedy guys, so the comedians and the rap
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Speaker 6: artists like Lil Wayne. Having Kevin Hard on the show,
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Speaker 6: you know, been able to laugh at them. I think
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Speaker 6: Jamie Foxx, we was home doing COVID that episode, man,
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Speaker 6: I think everybody needed. That was so and we had
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Speaker 6: the comedians and the hip hop artist on. That's always
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Speaker 6: my favorite.
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Speaker 4: I just think, you know, being like you guys are
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Speaker 4: trusted voice in the space is important. You know, for
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Speaker 4: us to start with j R. Smith and end up
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Speaker 4: with Kamala Harris and Kobe's last interview and staff, KD
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Speaker 4: and Shaq and the list goes on, you know, Will Smith, Jada, Jada,
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Speaker 4: Pink and Smith. I just think being a trusted voice
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Speaker 4: in the space with so many voices is you know
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Speaker 4: something I prought myself on.
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Speaker 5: I think athletes didn't have a safe space before before y'all,
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Speaker 5: especially in NBA players because we can't speak the language
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Speaker 5: y'all speaking. So it causes them to open up in
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Speaker 5: a different way.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 6: We were emotions on the sleeve and everything we've been
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Speaker 6: through in life is on the table for everybody to see,
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Speaker 6: and were willing to talk about it. So I think
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Speaker 6: when I guess see that it's easy for them to
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Speaker 6: open up too.
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Speaker 1: Kamala was your most recent we said, Joe.
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Speaker 4: Kim Noah after her, but yeah, Kamala was, yeah, a
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Speaker 4: big boy for us.
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Speaker 1: And how was that? I know you're a little reluctant
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Speaker 1: a little bit at first.
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Speaker 6: Oh no, you know that I called him and talked
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Speaker 6: to him about it. Me and Matt, We went at
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Speaker 6: it for a couple of days about it.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to do it at first, nah, because I.
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Speaker 3: Really don't want to get in politics.
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Speaker 6: I don't I don't even want to be involved, and
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Speaker 6: a lot of people that support me don't get involved.
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 6: I look at it the same way I look at it,
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Speaker 6: but as a friend and as a brother to him,
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Speaker 6: you know, anything that he asks me to do something,
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Speaker 6: you know, nine or ten times, I'm lord to a fault,
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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Even if it's something I
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Speaker 6: don't want to do, but I know its beneficial for
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Speaker 6: our company. I know it's benefit and I see that
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Speaker 6: after I did the interview. I see now. I have
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Speaker 6: a lot of women in my life. I have eight
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Speaker 6: aunts of six daughters, you know, so I would look
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Speaker 6: to them after I did the interview. I'm glad I
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Speaker 6: did it now because they all look at her and
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Speaker 6: look up to her and inspire to be great like her.
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Speaker 3: So I'm glad I did it.
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Speaker 7: How did you guys prepare for her?
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Speaker 4: A lot of studying, a lot of smoke and a
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Speaker 4: lot of But I want to take it back before
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Speaker 4: I get to your question. You know, when he said
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Speaker 4: he didn't want it, first of all, I told him
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Speaker 4: I was a stack I've ever led you wrong in
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Speaker 4: a business decision or life.
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Speaker 3: And he said no.
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Speaker 4: But you know when he said he didn't want to
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Speaker 4: get involved with the politics, I told him, you know,
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Speaker 4: I don't think that was his choice because once he
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Speaker 4: did that George Floyd thing, he put his smack dab
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Speaker 4: in the middle of the biggest leading one of the
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Speaker 4: biggest protests this world has ever seen. So a lot
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Speaker 4: of things come with that, a lot of good, a
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Speaker 4: lot of bad, but a lot of things come with that.
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Speaker 4: And I think that he implanted himself in the middle.
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Speaker 4: And I always respected, I mean, I always will respect
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Speaker 4: his opinion. But I just thought this could be an
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Speaker 4: opportunity for he has a very loyal following, and it
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Speaker 4: could have been a you know, it was a it
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Speaker 4: was an opportunity for him to you know, get some
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Speaker 4: stuff on his chest or ask straight to the face,
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Speaker 4: you know, asked her to ask her straight to the
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Speaker 4: face those questions. So I'm glad he decided to come around.
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Speaker 4: It took him a minute, like literally, hey, let me
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Speaker 4: tell you, bro, until she came in the room.
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Speaker 3: Jack wouldn't fucking with you. Oh.
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Speaker 4: So she came in the room, and then she took
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Speaker 4: us away from the group and and took us on
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Speaker 4: a walk throughout the house and started showing us these
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Speaker 4: this dope black art and sculptures.
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Speaker 3: And Jack was still tough, like, I ain't with this.
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Speaker 4: And then he saw this one piece I already liked,
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Speaker 4: and she talked about it, and she had moved on,
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Speaker 4: and I kept falling, and he went and touched the
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Speaker 4: art and looked at it. I was like, oh, she
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Speaker 4: might be getting to him. And then he showed she
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Speaker 4: showed this dope ass chandelier. And then once she showed
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Speaker 4: the chandelier and explained it, and the jack started smiles like,
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Speaker 4: all right, she got him.
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Speaker 3: So we were straight. So it took a minute.
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Speaker 7: Did she know that you didn't want to do it?
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Speaker 4: She had a little bit, She had show him how
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Speaker 4: to handed her handed to her.
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Speaker 3: But how do we prepare?
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Speaker 4: I mean just I mean we prepared like we used
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Speaker 4: to play, like watch game films, so we study, you know,
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Speaker 4: we'd go back and do research and then we get
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Speaker 4: with our research team and find out the strategy. My
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Speaker 4: strategy with this interview was it wasn't a political interview.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't all the smoke interview. We happened to ask
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Speaker 4: a few political questions. We felt it was close to
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Speaker 4: our community, but at the end of the day, we
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Speaker 4: wanted to humanize her and get to know her a
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Speaker 4: little better. So just kind of figuring out what was
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Speaker 4: that opening question to get her laughing and smiling, and
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Speaker 4: you know, found out the story about the blind date
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Speaker 4: with her now husband Doug, and as soon as we
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Speaker 4: asked that, she started smiling from ear to ear, and
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Speaker 4: we knew that we kind of got her to open,
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Speaker 4: you know, put her guard down a little.
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Speaker 3: Bit, and it was it was a fun interview.
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Speaker 5: The biracial question and the question about the blended family
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Speaker 5: killed Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because like it
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Speaker 5: connected with her. She could there's no script for that.
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Speaker 5: You know, you can't go to your talking points for that.
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Speaker 5: You got to be honest, You got.
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Speaker 3: To be and that's what we wanted, you know, Charlotte Mane.
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Speaker 4: We've we've been lucky to humanize and make our guests
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Speaker 4: feel comfortable to really share their true opinions. And and
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Speaker 4: and biracial and step step parents we both are, but
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Speaker 4: biracial is something that I've you know, fought with and
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Speaker 4: dealt with really my entire career, and now that this
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Speaker 4: is at the forefront of her campaign, I just thought
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Speaker 4: it would be a great talking point.
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Speaker 8: And that's all telling Jack.
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Speaker 5: So I'm like, yo, if not, you didn who because
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Speaker 5: you know, if you got an opinion about these elected
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Speaker 5: officials and you've been expressing it, expressed it to her.
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Speaker 4: But I also think too, I mean, she could have
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Speaker 4: went to any podcasts. There's a ton, like you said,
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Speaker 4: there's a ton of them, and.
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Speaker 2: I love the fact that she came in. I'll sad
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Speaker 2: that the other day in the radio, I was like,
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Speaker 2: you know, she needs to do where people are going,
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Speaker 2: and sometimes these politicians go to places where we don't
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Speaker 2: ness necessarily go to, and I want to see her
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Speaker 2: do more stuff like that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, a little bird of conversations with her, like off
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Speaker 7: of the air, like, were there things that y'all talk about?
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Speaker 7: Offer were you like to have?
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Speaker 3: I asked her.
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Speaker 4: She know, because I knew that the the Vice President
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Speaker 4: House was probably stiff and white for at a lot
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Speaker 4: of years after she added her touch to it. And
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Speaker 4: that's when we got kind of started talking about the
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Speaker 4: art and stuff she's done to the house to kind
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Speaker 4: of put her put her energy around it. What else
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Speaker 4: we talked about, Actually, I feel like the last three
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Speaker 4: or four four minutes of the podcast, and I think
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Speaker 4: we caught some of it just it was a back
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Speaker 4: and forth.
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Speaker 3: You know, do you remember what we were talking about
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Speaker 3: the very end.
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Speaker 6: He was talking about what she asked about Gianna. We
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Speaker 6: talked about the war, yeah, and being there, you know,
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Speaker 6: we played Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We believe did y'all smoke before y'all got there?
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Speaker 4: I did, of course, I'm now, yeah, it was too
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Speaker 4: presidential to be able to try to sneak it in
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Speaker 4: and get one off. And we was representing a lot
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Speaker 4: of people. Said we didn't want to get in trouble,
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Speaker 4: but yeah, definitely we pregamed.
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Speaker 3: You know, that was one of them smoke shower.
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Speaker 8: You know, Steve Hotel, you still got ass rings and
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Speaker 8: the run office.
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Speaker 3: Man I did. Man.
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Speaker 4: I said that at like early thirties, and you know,
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Speaker 4: I started shadowing Kevin Johnson, who was the current mayor
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Speaker 4: at the time. Then I worked with Darryl Steinberg a
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Speaker 4: little bit, and you know it, I said it at
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Speaker 4: fifty on forty four now, so we'll see. I mean,
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Speaker 4: you know, year by year I get more engaged and
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Speaker 4: learn more and try to understand the process. So if
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Speaker 4: my business affairs are in order by the time I'm fifty,
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Speaker 4: I may you know, chase that down.
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Speaker 5: What do you say to people who say that people
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Speaker 5: in sports shouldn't talk about stuff like politics like.
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Speaker 4: They should just well, I just feel like we're affected
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Speaker 4: by everything, you know what I mean, just because we
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Speaker 4: played a certain sport. I mean, we're fathers, we're business owners.
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Speaker 4: You know, we're in the community, We're tied to everything.
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Speaker 4: So I mean, I respect people whether they want to
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Speaker 4: be in it or not. But you know, my whole
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Speaker 4: thing with people is kind of learned the process. So
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Speaker 4: if you're going to be mad at least you know
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Speaker 4: what the fuck you're mad at. You know a lot
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Speaker 4: of people are mad at lies and mad at misconceptions.
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Speaker 4: So my whole thing is learned the process and understand
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Speaker 4: the process and how things the pecking order and the
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Speaker 4: actual president, the power that the president and the vice
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Speaker 4: president don't really have, you know, understanding Congress and the
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Speaker 4: House and the Senate, and then and then if you
9:10
Speaker 4: still want to be mad, be mad. But I think
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Speaker 4: just a lot of people are are headline readers and
9:14
Speaker 4: they want to get mad at at bullshit. So to me,
9:17
Speaker 4: if you want to be mad, like learn it and
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Speaker 4: then find something to be mad at.
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Speaker 6: For me, I think it's just really a common sense
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Speaker 6: what we need and what we need to do. It
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Speaker 6: ain't rocket signed, So that's I'm not in the Hope dealing, you.
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Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 6: We all know what we need, We all what we
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Speaker 6: need to stop doing is and to change to get America.
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Speaker 6: You know, everybody have an equality and we will act
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Speaker 6: like everything else needs to be done besides the common
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Speaker 6: sense shit, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: So that's why I don't want to be in politible.
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Speaker 2: We have a surprise, you know because kind of like
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Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club, our clips live on and you always
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Speaker 2: seeing but I see the same thing with your clips.
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Speaker 2: It could be something that y'all did four years ago.
9:48
Speaker 2: You have a surprise how long your clips go and
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Speaker 2: how people recognize you from the podcast and not from
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Speaker 2: the playing days.
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Speaker 3: That goes back to, you know, the LAW fan base.
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Speaker 3: You know. That's that's why we do a lot of
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Speaker 3: stuff we do is for the fan.
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Speaker 6: But we got a Law a long fan base that's
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Speaker 6: been rock with us since we've been playing, you know
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Speaker 6: what I mean. So to to see our stuff resurfacing
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Speaker 6: and we not the ones be posting it, that means
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Speaker 6: a lot, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we're going in the right direction, definitely.
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Speaker 5: You know, y'all had the last conversation with Kobe Bryant,
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Speaker 5: last interview with Kobe Bryant, and I always wondered, was
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Speaker 5: that the last time either one of y'all actually.
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Speaker 1: Spoke to him.
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Speaker 6: That was the first and last time I spoke to
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Speaker 6: him since we played against each other.
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Speaker 8: Wow, I know, mad, y'all had.
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Speaker 4: A Yeah, we would see each a little bit more
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Speaker 4: because he was coaching Gigi and I was coaching the Twins.
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Speaker 4: So we had talked maybe one time after that, and
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Speaker 4: then he had sent some shoes literally the week I
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Speaker 4: think he passed on a Sunday. He sent shoes that
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Speaker 4: previous Monday to the Twins and their whole team, so
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Speaker 4: they had just got fresh Kobe. So we had spoken then. Obviously,
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Speaker 4: like I said, he sent some shoes the week of
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Speaker 4: the actual past, so it was it was tough.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 5: What stands out from that conversation? I mean, you have it,
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Speaker 5: y'all have it into all the Smoke Coffee table book.
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Speaker 5: But what stands out from that competition just from that date?
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Speaker 4: I think the pre conversation we went into his office
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Speaker 4: and how Adam and he was of people.
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Speaker 3: The whole ride there though, yeah, oh yeah, we just
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Speaker 3: shipped on the ride.
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Speaker 6: Right for the whole ride. There was like, you got
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Speaker 6: to put that out right. We never put that out there.
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Speaker 3: It was crazy. We had a dope ride. We filmed
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Speaker 3: and talked a lot of shit.
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Speaker 6: But I think with y'all three, not just the anticipation
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Speaker 6: because we went out to go see him.
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Speaker 4: So we left from LA to Orange Candy like an
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Speaker 4: hour and a half hour and a half drive depending
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Speaker 4: on when you drive.
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Speaker 3: But bted that one maybe too on, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: not too much.
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Speaker 4: But we had a conversation in this office before we
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Speaker 4: actually got on camera, and he was really adamant about
11:32
Speaker 4: this next twenty years then and for the world to
11:35
Speaker 4: be prepared for what he was doing in business. He
11:36
Speaker 4: was just finishing writing one of those children novels he
11:39
Speaker 4: was working on, and he just like, fellas like, I
11:41
Speaker 4: don't want people to rememory for my last twenty years.
11:43
Speaker 4: I want them to memory for my next twenty years.
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Speaker 4: You know, you had the fun and had one Emmys
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Speaker 4: and doing all kinds of stuff in the business space.
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Speaker 4: And obviously really saw when I got to see him
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Speaker 4: coach Gigi and just he didn't always never showed a
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Speaker 4: ton of joy, but you can just tell he loved it.
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Speaker 4: I Mean, he had these little girls running the triangle
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Speaker 4: off would take some grown men a long time to learn.
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Speaker 4: He had these girls practicing four or five days a week,
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Speaker 4: three hours a day. Like the thing about COVID, he
12:07
Speaker 4: didn't take nothing light when it came to basketball. So
12:09
Speaker 4: these were little young girls, but they were running the
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Speaker 4: Lakers offense to a t. It was. He was like
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Speaker 4: a drill sergeant with it. But you could tell he
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Speaker 4: loved it. You know, all those little girls loved him
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Speaker 4: and looked up to him, and just the passion behind
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Speaker 4: that was beautiful to see.
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Speaker 3: For me, I think.
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Speaker 6: Seeing meeting him as a teenager and seeing him grow
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Speaker 6: into the icon he was.
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Speaker 3: I just admired that.
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Speaker 6: You know, with so many, so many players and basketball
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Speaker 6: players you come across doing aau and traveling, you know,
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Speaker 6: coming up as a teenager, you see so many people
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Speaker 6: that's supposed to be great that don't live up to it.
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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. He lived up to it
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Speaker 6: and exceeded it. So you know, just to be able
12:43
Speaker 6: to sit there to talk to him after our careers,
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Speaker 6: you know what I mean, and go through the memories,
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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, then you know before he
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Speaker 6: passed them and everything to me.
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Speaker 8: It was Kobe a Scooper or a Scooper or a score.
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Speaker 3: He was definitely a hoopo.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he was a dog on both ends.
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Speaker 3: Definitely a dog, not even close. Probably the mask out
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Speaker 3: of it. Hoop.
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Speaker 5: People got mad at you when you said that, but
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Speaker 5: I don't even play ball and understood.
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Speaker 3: What you was saying.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, because a lot of those people who got mad
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Speaker 6: are the ones I was talking to. People only get
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Speaker 6: mad when they're guilty of me. You know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 6: I want to shoot fits. It's a lot of guys
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Speaker 6: that were built, came in the NBA where their job
13:15
Speaker 6: was just to score that they compete on both ends.
13:17
Speaker 3: A lot of them didn't give that effort. And that's
13:19
Speaker 3: just the facts.
13:20
Speaker 2: I just seen the video again yesterday of you and
13:22
Speaker 2: Kobe going back and forth.
13:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
13:24
Speaker 4: Well, I mean when you mentioned that, that was the
13:26
Speaker 4: thing that came to my mind, Like, I coach kids
13:28
Speaker 4: now and there'll become kids are coming to me to
13:29
Speaker 4: the AU Tournament and weren't even born.
13:32
Speaker 2: You did you did that to Kobe but they didn't
13:34
Speaker 2: even see the minutes before.
13:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we was going at it, you know, and
13:38
Speaker 4: it was funny and last interview we talked, I was
13:40
Speaker 4: ready to fight him, you know, Kobe let's stop.
13:41
Speaker 1: You from swinging on him because he was elbow to
13:44
Speaker 1: your stomach. He was pushing you. It got to the
13:46
Speaker 1: point when I.
13:46
Speaker 6: Was like, if you gotta respect for certain people where
13:49
Speaker 6: they won't do that either. They know you know what
13:50
Speaker 6: I'm saying, you'll go to that point. And it's some
13:53
Speaker 6: people that you don't even know. They'll go to punt
13:54
Speaker 6: and then I'll knock you out. But Kobe like, that's
13:57
Speaker 6: just competition. It ain't it ain't personal.
13:59
Speaker 4: But it was person of that day though it looked
14:01
Speaker 4: like because I mean, obviously we all know how great
14:06
Speaker 4: he was, is just to play, but he was mentally too,
14:08
Speaker 4: so like he said, all the elbowing and ship that
14:10
Speaker 4: the refs claim they don't see or do or don't
14:12
Speaker 4: want to see. Like I was tired of that ship,
14:14
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And I keep getting called
14:16
Speaker 4: faust for retaliating, so I'm like, fuck this man.
14:19
Speaker 8: That's how y'all got cool, though, he said.
14:20
Speaker 5: But he said, if anybody crazy enough to mess with
14:22
Speaker 5: me like this, I want him on my team.
14:24
Speaker 4: He called me that, so I was Actually my deal
14:26
Speaker 4: was up in Orlando, and this is when Bron and
14:29
Speaker 4: Bosh were going to Miami. So I was talking to
14:31
Speaker 4: Pat Riley and even d Wade on the phone one time,
14:33
Speaker 4: and Pat was telling me about the lineups and the
14:35
Speaker 4: championships we can win.
14:36
Speaker 3: And I got a.
14:37
Speaker 4: Cold call from a number I didn't even know and
14:40
Speaker 4: happened to pick it up and it was him, and
14:41
Speaker 4: we talked a little bit and I congratulated them about
14:44
Speaker 4: winning and asked what I was doing. He said what
14:46
Speaker 4: you said, and he's just like, you want to be
14:47
Speaker 4: a Laker. I'm like, hell, yeah, like three days Laker?
14:50
Speaker 3: I was. Three days later, I was a Laker.
14:51
Speaker 1: Wow, what do you think about the Lakers?
14:53
Speaker 3: Now?
14:53
Speaker 2: We see Bronnie played the last two games and people
14:55
Speaker 2: are on Bronnie's ass And.
14:56
Speaker 6: That's a beautiful I showed. We got in the car
14:58
Speaker 6: with that's the dopest pitch. Yeah, when you're helping his
15:00
Speaker 6: dad up, that's the dopest shit. Whoever hate die?
15:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think if anyone deserves this opportunity
15:07
Speaker 4: to play with his son, I think it's him, you
15:09
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And the fact that that whole
15:11
Speaker 4: thing was orchestrated for him to get to the Lakers
15:13
Speaker 4: is amazing. And I was, I was, I had a
15:15
Speaker 4: moment this past summer because my twins are fifteen now,
15:18
Speaker 4: so I take them and play against grown men. And
15:19
Speaker 4: I remember one time me and the twins were on
15:22
Speaker 4: the same team playing and we was hooping. I'm just like, man,
15:24
Speaker 4: this is so dough. I couldn't imagine this on the
15:26
Speaker 4: highest level. So to me, I go to give a five.
15:28
Speaker 4: I mean, the kid was a fifty fifth pick. I mean,
15:30
Speaker 4: the fifty fifth pick doesn't even make it. So all
15:32
Speaker 4: these crazy expectations for him earlier ridiculous, like allow him
15:35
Speaker 4: to develop, But you know, we don't live in the
15:37
Speaker 4: world where development is allowed, especially on the highest level.
15:39
Speaker 4: So I think from my father's son aspect, is incredible.
15:43
Speaker 4: But you know, the Lakers are one of those teams
15:45
Speaker 4: where you got to produce what have you done for
15:47
Speaker 4: me lately? And they haven't necessarily done that. So it's
15:48
Speaker 4: going to be interesting, you know, scrutinize year.
15:51
Speaker 7: I think we were talking about that earlier. Do you
15:53
Speaker 7: think that Brownie will actually have the chance to develop?
15:55
Speaker 7: But you feel like people going to pigeonhold him so
15:57
Speaker 7: much that it.
15:57
Speaker 6: Might get you even more of a chance to develop
15:59
Speaker 6: because it's father's death, Like that's the motivation they have,
16:02
Speaker 6: and he's seeing what it takes to be great. So
16:05
Speaker 6: all that is in him already, and now he's in
16:06
Speaker 6: the in the in the facilities where you have everything
16:09
Speaker 6: here to be great. I think, I think, yes, everything
16:11
Speaker 6: you need. And I think he's definitely gonna blosm over.
16:13
Speaker 4: And I also think too, I mean, I don't think
16:15
Speaker 4: you look at Bronnie in the same light as you
16:17
Speaker 4: look at lebron. I just think I think he's going
16:23
Speaker 4: to be a very solid role player. I mean, he's
16:25
Speaker 4: got a high high i Q place defense, can make
16:28
Speaker 4: the right play, can shoot the ball. So I just
16:30
Speaker 4: think he needed a little bit more time to develop,
16:32
Speaker 4: and now he's developing on the biggest stage. But I think,
16:34
Speaker 4: you know, two three, four years, he's going to be
16:36
Speaker 4: a very solid rotational player.
16:38
Speaker 1: Does he starting the leg or do you think there's no?
16:41
Speaker 4: I think he should. To me, it's about playing. You know,
16:43
Speaker 4: I play with JJ and I fuck with JJ.
16:46
Speaker 3: Hevy.
16:46
Speaker 4: I think he's you know, he's gonna be on the
16:47
Speaker 4: hot seat. But I like his mentality. He's very he teaches,
16:51
Speaker 4: he's he's a personable person. So for all the people
16:54
Speaker 4: say no, that like the most important thing is getting
16:56
Speaker 4: to play. You don't learn ship from sitting on the
16:58
Speaker 4: bench and watching. So Bronni has us to play. So
17:00
Speaker 4: whether that's going to be eight to ten minutes in
17:02
Speaker 4: the real game or if it's going to play thirty
17:04
Speaker 4: minutes on the G league level, I think he just
17:06
Speaker 4: needs to play, and I think they'll figure that out.
17:08
Speaker 6: You can't simulate the NBA in the G League, though,
17:11
Speaker 6: you got to play in the NBA. They understand the
17:12
Speaker 6: NBA pacing game the league is totally but you just
17:15
Speaker 6: have to play.
17:15
Speaker 3: Though.
17:16
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it can get you ready, but yeah,
17:18
Speaker 6: it's order to be successful day. But to be successful
17:22
Speaker 6: and to make a name for yourself in NBA, you
17:24
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, You have to learn how to
17:25
Speaker 6: play that game.
17:26
Speaker 8: Yeah, no doubt weill be considered success.
17:28
Speaker 3: But Brianni, uh fifteen, fourteen year career a career you
17:32
Speaker 3: know in the NBA.
17:33
Speaker 6: I mean that would say we not expect him to
17:35
Speaker 6: score fifty thousand points, you know what I'm saying.
17:37
Speaker 3: We expect him to be a star and possibly be
17:39
Speaker 3: an All Star one day.
17:42
Speaker 2: I got to ask, you know, since since we are
17:44
Speaker 2: in New York. New York just made a trade that
17:47
Speaker 2: sent Cat here. What were your thoughts on that trade?
17:50
Speaker 3: Wonderful?
17:50
Speaker 6: I know y'all happy, Yeah, we got to I love
17:53
Speaker 6: Jorgius rounder, but I take care of him any day,
17:55
Speaker 6: you know.
17:56
Speaker 3: And Cat is way more durable.
17:58
Speaker 1: We lose a shooter though, you lose a.
18:00
Speaker 6: Shoot, but but he does way more than just shoot,
18:03
Speaker 6: can't he does? And then and in the East two,
18:06
Speaker 6: I think a big guy like that that can spread
18:07
Speaker 6: the floor on this team.
18:09
Speaker 4: I think him and be at it to the next
18:11
Speaker 4: scrap one time is gonna be you know, I'm adult.
18:14
Speaker 3: I like dogs.
18:15
Speaker 4: So obviously seeing Devincenzo and Julius Randall leave, you know,
18:19
Speaker 4: kind of like you know what I mean, because you
18:24
Speaker 4: know they're they're trying to put something together.
18:25
Speaker 3: They put the whole.
18:32
Speaker 6: Replace that, replace that, man, let's do.
18:40
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken. He hit the most threes and nix history.
18:42
Speaker 8: Yes, it helps us out people.
18:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now he's a very solid role player, definitely.
18:49
Speaker 4: I definitely feel like now, so I think Cats really
18:54
Speaker 4: going to help this team if he's three level. Cat
18:56
Speaker 4: not just to staying outside and shooting jumpers all day.
18:58
Speaker 4: And I think this and basic won't allow some of
19:01
Speaker 4: the stuff he was doing in Minnesota, where he would
19:03
Speaker 4: settle a lot because he is so skilled and talented
19:05
Speaker 4: and can score on all three levels, and there's a
19:07
Speaker 4: real real problem. But I think sometimes he settles. But
19:10
Speaker 4: I think he's coming into a situation that's not only
19:12
Speaker 4: good for him, but you know, his fiance or his girl,
19:15
Speaker 4: because you know she's kind of into things too. So
19:17
Speaker 4: being in this media market is going to be very
19:19
Speaker 4: beneficial for him if he attacks it the right way.
19:21
Speaker 6: I feel like, isn't this family from Yeah?
19:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I wish both sides good luck. I'm intionted
19:29
Speaker 4: to see too, how Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall get along,
19:32
Speaker 4: because that's two dogs right there. So it's interesting to
19:34
Speaker 4: see how they how their chemistry works.
19:35
Speaker 5: You know what I want to ask you about Jack,
19:37
Speaker 5: that the Malice in the Palace died, great man, I
19:39
Speaker 5: didn't realize how much that situation impacted y'all.
19:43
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
19:44
Speaker 8: You think you think about it? Yes, y'all could have
19:45
Speaker 8: wanted Chip that.
19:47
Speaker 3: I think that was a year for us to win
19:49
Speaker 3: the Chippy.
19:49
Speaker 6: If you look when lebro happened and we probably had
19:52
Speaker 6: the second or best record in the league, when that happened,
19:54
Speaker 6: and we was blowing everybody out, and I think we
19:56
Speaker 6: all knew that that was Reggie's last hurrah. You know,
19:59
Speaker 6: we want winning for him. But like I said, it
20:02
Speaker 6: wasn't the same I missed. I missed with two or
20:04
Speaker 6: three All Star Games because of that Jermaine. Jermaine was
20:07
Speaker 6: a shoe in Hall of Famer around their time to
20:09
Speaker 6: that happened. And Ron was possibly the first you know,
20:13
Speaker 6: can win Defensive Player and Office in MVP in the
20:15
Speaker 6: same year. So all those things were working for us,
20:18
Speaker 6: and that one incident killed everything and it didn't and it.
20:20
Speaker 8: Didn't bring It didn't seem like it brought y'all together,
20:22
Speaker 8: not all of y'all.
20:24
Speaker 6: It didn't because everybody didn't do it for Law to
20:27
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. Everybody went in that situation
20:29
Speaker 6: for Law till some people was in it because they
20:31
Speaker 6: was there, you know what I mean. I actually rolled
20:33
Speaker 6: with my teammate for you know, for being a good teammate.
20:35
Speaker 6: A lot of guys just in there doing stuff that
20:37
Speaker 6: wasn't necessary, you know, and uh, it cost us that season.
20:41
Speaker 8: How many times did that happen you in your life?
20:43
Speaker 3: Day?
20:43
Speaker 5: Were you just I don't give this is my guy.
20:45
Speaker 5: We're going at you. You you going to war, I'm
20:47
Speaker 5: going to war.
20:47
Speaker 3: I'm low to a fault, I'm long to a fault.
20:49
Speaker 6: But you know what I'm saying. But like I could
20:51
Speaker 6: sleep that way. You know what I'm saying. We go
20:52
Speaker 6: somewhere right now. So I mighta be the first one
20:54
Speaker 6: to jump out there. That's just how I was taught,
20:55
Speaker 6: That's how I was raised. But you know, as you
20:58
Speaker 6: get older, you get smarter.
20:59
Speaker 8: Is that one of the things that you regret that season,
21:01
Speaker 8: like how all of that played up?
21:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, I regret it because you know, I was consider
21:05
Speaker 6: myself a real good basketball player, and I missed a
21:07
Speaker 6: lot of All Star games like accolades because of that.
21:10
Speaker 6: You know, even when I've had great seasons, that still
21:13
Speaker 6: was a cloud over my over my great play.
21:15
Speaker 3: And it hurted Ron too and Jamaine. So it definitely
21:18
Speaker 3: wasn't beneficial for none of us.
21:20
Speaker 8: Was it tough to do that, doc, Like just to
21:22
Speaker 8: sit there and after we.
21:23
Speaker 3: Live all of it, Well, I mean it was the
21:25
Speaker 3: reason why I was.
21:26
Speaker 6: It wasn't tough because it was grat gratifying for getting
21:30
Speaker 6: some money for talking about it. You lost so much
21:32
Speaker 6: for one punch, Like, let me get some money back
21:34
Speaker 6: for talking about it.
21:35
Speaker 8: You do more than one punch what I threw two?
21:37
Speaker 8: That's it.
21:38
Speaker 3: Ye see, I'm glad you said that.
21:42
Speaker 1: Right now.
21:46
Speaker 6: This is why I said I shouldn't have got fined.
21:49
Speaker 6: When it all happened, I jumped up and went over
21:51
Speaker 6: the stanch. I went six rolls up, didn't hit nobody,
21:55
Speaker 6: got to run. A beard was thrown in his face
21:58
Speaker 6: the second time, and that's the guy here it. When
22:00
Speaker 6: I turn around, a guy was holding wrong, punching him,
22:03
Speaker 6: I hit him.
22:04
Speaker 3: I didn't.
22:04
Speaker 6: If I was just wanted to be stupid, I could
22:06
Speaker 6: have hit everybody those six rolls up. But I went
22:08
Speaker 6: to protect him, so I wasn't really don't know idiot stuff,
22:10
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
22:11
Speaker 3: I was just being a protector. But it just turned
22:13
Speaker 3: out to look that way. So if you look at it,
22:15
Speaker 3: I didn't. I could have hit a whole bunch of people.
22:16
Speaker 3: I didn't. The man didn't get loose. As now.
22:21
Speaker 8: I wasn't been watching the evolution in marijuana in the NBA.
22:24
Speaker 3: I was beautiful.
22:25
Speaker 6: I think I think we don't get enough credit for it,
22:28
Speaker 6: you know, because to be able to play an the
22:29
Speaker 6: NBA now and not get tested like you don't know.
22:31
Speaker 6: We went through job and we were paying people and
22:34
Speaker 6: all kind of drinking, all kinds of stuff, justice and
22:37
Speaker 6: do all kinds of stuff just to be able to smoke.
22:39
Speaker 6: So now they can, you know, do it freely. I mean,
22:42
Speaker 6: I know a lot of guys that might not talk
22:44
Speaker 6: about it publicly, but I know they appreciate, you know,
22:46
Speaker 6: being able to smoke and and relax after the game
22:48
Speaker 6: the right way without taking all them pills and shiit.
22:51
Speaker 4: I think, you know, when I retired in seventeen, that
22:53
Speaker 4: was one of my main focuses being the shield for
22:55
Speaker 4: the current guys. And you know, myself and my brother
22:57
Speaker 4: Harrington were flying out here to New York to talk
22:59
Speaker 4: to the players and the league and just understanding the plant.
23:02
Speaker 4: Letty the plant until they both got you know, people
23:05
Speaker 4: on both sides to start studying it. And from what
23:07
Speaker 4: I heard that the NBA was really against it, still
23:09
Speaker 4: the PA was more for it, and they had to
23:11
Speaker 4: come to a common ground and they ended up doing that,
23:14
Speaker 4: you know obviously in the bubble when you know, with
23:16
Speaker 4: the COVID hit and they gave the players time off
23:18
Speaker 4: and then they brought everyone back.
23:19
Speaker 3: To the bubble.
23:20
Speaker 4: If they would have tested that, probably eighty five percent
23:22
Speaker 4: of the league would have failed because guys were off,
23:25
Speaker 4: didn't know if the season was going to come out,
23:26
Speaker 4: and the majority of the guys you know, medicate it, so,
23:28
Speaker 4: you know, I think there was a very smart move
23:30
Speaker 4: for them to co and bypass it there and then
23:32
Speaker 4: after that it was gone.
23:33
Speaker 3: So I think I say all that to say it's
23:36
Speaker 3: it was.
23:36
Speaker 4: It was tough smoking our entire career because it was
23:39
Speaker 4: you know, every time we did it, we were risking
23:41
Speaker 4: fines or suspensions. So it was a real job to
23:44
Speaker 4: smoke in the league. And now, like Jack said, just
23:46
Speaker 4: to be able to freely do it, to relax, go
23:48
Speaker 4: to sleep, focused, anti inflammatory, all the properties for it.
23:52
Speaker 3: I think it's happy for those guys.
23:54
Speaker 7: Were y'all trying to have the conversations then though, like, yo,
23:57
Speaker 7: this is what this is what's helping us.
24:03
Speaker 3: All.
24:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did the conversations needed to happen, But I
24:07
Speaker 4: think my conversation when I started talking was after the
24:09
Speaker 4: fact because it was just so like they didn't want
24:11
Speaker 4: to hear that shit, you know what I mean. It
24:12
Speaker 4: just it was something you couldn't do, you know what
24:15
Speaker 4: I mean. So I think as as the world progressed
24:17
Speaker 4: and we started getting you know, research behind the positives
24:20
Speaker 4: instead of just the negatives, I think that's when the
24:22
Speaker 4: game started to change.
24:23
Speaker 5: Could you physically play high? And I'd be reading these
24:25
Speaker 5: stories about Michael and might they used to be drinking.
24:27
Speaker 5: But why then going to drop.
24:28
Speaker 3: Fifty before I play or not? I just smoke exactly
24:33
Speaker 3: before the game.
24:33
Speaker 6: But that day early in the morning, probably yeah, I
24:36
Speaker 6: probably did, but not going to the game. I came down,
24:38
Speaker 6: but like going to the game fresh off one absolutely
24:41
Speaker 6: not not in the NBA, you getting cooked.
24:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know a couple of dudes that that that
24:44
Speaker 4: smoked driving into the gym. We won't say them names,
24:47
Speaker 4: but they was different. So I mean I could smoke,
24:49
Speaker 4: you know a few hours before, but I wouldn't smoke
24:51
Speaker 4: on the way to the game one because I didn't
24:53
Speaker 4: want to smell like it around everybody. But too, it's
24:55
Speaker 4: just like, depending on what you're smoking, you're putting yourself
24:57
Speaker 4: out out there in the atmosphere sometimes.
25:00
Speaker 6: So I was geeked up in the Western Conference Finals though, yeah,
25:07
Speaker 6: I guess Dallas, I was geeked up we smoked before
25:09
Speaker 6: the game. I smoked right after shooting around like three
25:12
Speaker 6: hours for the game, and I didn't go to sleep,
25:13
Speaker 6: so I was just geeked up doing the game. Like
25:15
Speaker 6: certain times you don't take that nap you loaded, and
25:18
Speaker 6: I did in the West Conference finals because I was
25:20
Speaker 6: from Texas.
25:20
Speaker 1: I was just feeling good at the time and went
25:22
Speaker 1: to work.
25:22
Speaker 3: What worked for me?
25:24
Speaker 5: What was the process of putting this book together? Like,
25:25
Speaker 5: how did y'all choose which conversations to put in there?
25:28
Speaker 4: Shut out daling, yeah, obviously, yeah, you and the company,
25:32
Speaker 4: and then dealing just understanding you know, where we the
25:37
Speaker 4: caliber of guests we had, and the different topics we
25:40
Speaker 4: spoke on. You know, again, there's a ton of people
25:42
Speaker 4: in this space now as far as sports, but I
25:45
Speaker 4: don't look as that as competition. I think everyone had
25:47
Speaker 4: their own journey and their own voice and their own experiences,
25:49
Speaker 4: and I think we still think with all the conversations
25:52
Speaker 4: we had, our conversation is still different from everybody else's
25:55
Speaker 4: so just important, you know, family, mental health, you know,
26:00
Speaker 4: everything that comes along in this journey. And and you know,
26:03
Speaker 4: we've been able to transition from not just a sports
26:07
Speaker 4: show to just kind of a more of a culturally
26:08
Speaker 4: relevant show, you know, when we're talking to the Kevin's
26:11
Speaker 4: and the Wills and the Jada's and the Jamie's and
26:13
Speaker 4: and the VP. So I just think, you know, high
26:16
Speaker 4: level conversations with high level people, and you know, being
26:19
Speaker 4: able to be celebrated with that. I mean, if I'm
26:20
Speaker 4: not mistaken with the first podcast with the coffee table
26:23
Speaker 4: book man, so I think it's it's it's a tremendous opportunity.
26:26
Speaker 4: We're very thankful for it and and hope that everyone
26:28
Speaker 4: checks it out.
26:29
Speaker 5: I named a couple of names. Won't you tell me
26:31
Speaker 5: what your thought of the interview is? Don Staley? Uh, well,
26:34
Speaker 5: a lot of people don't know.
26:35
Speaker 6: That's when I've been with my favor my favorite female
26:37
Speaker 6: player of all time, my rookie year I wore twenty
26:40
Speaker 6: four because of Don Stateley.
26:41
Speaker 3: People don't know that. And when I was in New Jersey,
26:43
Speaker 3: so it was an honor to me to baby talk
26:45
Speaker 3: to her.
26:46
Speaker 6: You know, I never met in person, So I can't
26:48
Speaker 6: wait to actually take a picture of it with somebody
26:50
Speaker 6: I have mind for a long time.
26:51
Speaker 8: That's different, like what what about her?
26:53
Speaker 5: You know, I've never heard of Guyfield woman basketball playing
26:55
Speaker 5: for something like that, Like what about her influenced.
26:57
Speaker 6: Well, her whole swag, Like she she we had their
27:00
Speaker 6: rough park basketball style and she was one of the
27:02
Speaker 6: first females to bring it like AI.
27:04
Speaker 3: You know, she woke back a short how she did
27:06
Speaker 3: it her way.
27:06
Speaker 6: She talked to talk, walk to walk, and you didn't
27:08
Speaker 6: see that from a woman in basketball growing up. And
27:11
Speaker 6: then she was at a school that was the female school,
27:14
Speaker 6: that was always on TV. The basketball game was always
27:16
Speaker 6: on TV. So that's what we say. So that's why
27:17
Speaker 6: I've seen a lot or not same.
27:19
Speaker 4: I mean, just being a fan of her game and
27:21
Speaker 4: then how she's been able to transition and be a
27:23
Speaker 4: leader of young women and women. I'm always a big
27:26
Speaker 4: fan of that. So, you know, being able to get
27:28
Speaker 4: to talk to her and to me honestly, and I'm
27:30
Speaker 4: sure you guys probably.
27:31
Speaker 3: Feel the same way.
27:31
Speaker 4: Like we're fans of a majority of the people we
27:33
Speaker 4: talked to, and getting a chance to get that in depth,
27:35
Speaker 4: you know, to be able to peel back the layers
27:36
Speaker 4: and understand who they are as a person and how
27:38
Speaker 4: their upbringing brought them to be the people they are.
27:41
Speaker 4: I mean, that's always the joy and the journey of
27:44
Speaker 4: these conversations.
27:44
Speaker 8: For me, about the Jamie Foxx convo that happened during
27:47
Speaker 8: a cool.
27:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, we laughed so hard before we even got on air.
27:50
Speaker 4: Bro it was incredible. He was funny as hell. Jamie's great.
27:54
Speaker 4: I mean to me, Jamie's one of the most talented
27:55
Speaker 4: people this planet's ever seen. This versatility across several different
27:59
Speaker 4: front this is amazing on top of him just being
28:01
Speaker 4: a really good dude man.
28:03
Speaker 3: So that was that was a dope conversation.
28:05
Speaker 6: You have a lot of comedians that's funny when they're
28:07
Speaker 6: doing their work.
28:08
Speaker 3: A lot of them.
28:08
Speaker 1: Some of them ain't naturally fun you know what I'm saying.
28:10
Speaker 6: Jamis is naturally funny, and like I said, like forty
28:13
Speaker 6: five minutes before we even turned the camera on Racking,
28:15
Speaker 6: he was in wrath form like he was excited to.
28:17
Speaker 3: Be on the show as well. So that was that
28:19
Speaker 3: was one of the best ones.
28:20
Speaker 5: You know, Jack, you you've dealt with a lot of
28:22
Speaker 5: grief over the last few years. Of course, George Floyd,
28:25
Speaker 5: your brother, sister, how have you been dealing with that
28:29
Speaker 5: that level of grief?
28:30
Speaker 3: Uh?
28:31
Speaker 6: Support system these guys, you know, my mom and sister, Uh,
28:37
Speaker 6: It's been hard, but you know it's a part of life.
28:39
Speaker 3: Bro.
28:40
Speaker 6: Too much is given much as required. You know, we
28:42
Speaker 6: all go we all. I'm not going through nothing that
28:44
Speaker 6: halfy y'all. I haven't been through. But it gets to
28:46
Speaker 6: a point where when it's somebody like his sister and brother,
28:49
Speaker 6: like that's different. You know what I'm saying, Like that's
28:51
Speaker 6: that that's different. So I haven't been the same, but
28:54
Speaker 6: it's the day by day process. Absolutely, thanks fasking.
28:56
Speaker 8: Absolutely, How did how did.
28:58
Speaker 7: You guys know it was trying to talk about transition
29:00
Speaker 7: that it was time to transition in and like lean
29:03
Speaker 7: into like okay, the podcast, the merch like just the
29:06
Speaker 7: business side of things, Like was that a switch? It
29:08
Speaker 7: probably was planned? But when did you know, like, okay,
29:09
Speaker 7: it's trying to jump the fence now.
29:11
Speaker 3: Man.
29:11
Speaker 4: The reason why I left the NBA the first year
29:14
Speaker 4: of a three year deal, I happened. I won a
29:17
Speaker 4: championship with Golden State and I wouldn't get against planned.
29:21
Speaker 4: I wasn't get a chance to my kids, you know
29:23
Speaker 4: what I mean. So you know, it was kind of
29:25
Speaker 4: a perfect storm when we won a championship and I
29:27
Speaker 4: was ready to move. So I was just kind of excited,
29:30
Speaker 4: And I think sometimes how why athletes have a hard
29:34
Speaker 4: time transitioning because they don't get to leave on their
29:36
Speaker 4: own accord. Most of the time it's injuries or a
29:39
Speaker 4: reputation or just teams don't want to fuck with you
29:42
Speaker 4: no more. But you know, I was someone that just
29:44
Speaker 4: you know, I was in the midst of a contract
29:46
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, man, you know this is the
29:47
Speaker 4: blessing we won. I want to I'm missing so much
29:50
Speaker 4: time with my sons, my father first, so you know
29:52
Speaker 4: that was my transitioning reason. And then once I transition,
29:56
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, what's next. You know I had invested well,
29:58
Speaker 4: and you know, had some things moving, but I knew
30:01
Speaker 4: I was still needed to find something to do.
30:03
Speaker 3: And you know, media.
30:04
Speaker 4: Came knocking for both of us, and you know, we
30:09
Speaker 4: kind of ran with it. So, I mean, Jack is
30:11
Speaker 4: the kind of guy that you know, he trusts very few,
30:14
Speaker 4: so if you're in his trust circle, he's going to
30:16
Speaker 4: listen to you. And when I pitched the idea, he
30:18
Speaker 4: trusted me to run with it and make it happen.
30:20
Speaker 4: And you know that's what I was able to do.
30:22
Speaker 5: I feel like even with sports networks y'all was before
30:26
Speaker 5: y'all time on that too. It seemed like when y'all
30:28
Speaker 5: was on it, they didn't want y'all to talk so freely,
30:30
Speaker 5: especially you Jack.
30:31
Speaker 3: They didn't want.
30:32
Speaker 5: You to know it seems like everybody could talked freely now,
30:34
Speaker 5: but it seemed like they didn't want you to.
30:35
Speaker 6: We did it anyway, you know, we did it anyway.
30:38
Speaker 6: You know, I'm you know, shout out to Wolves. But
30:40
Speaker 6: I remember I was the first one to correct him
30:42
Speaker 6: on TV. You know what I'm saying, Like people like,
30:44
Speaker 6: damn he corrected Roles. Yeah, because I got Jimmy Butler
30:46
Speaker 6: right on speed y'all making stuff up. So like we
30:49
Speaker 6: just being who we naturally are, you know what I mean.
30:51
Speaker 6: And I think that's what kind of took over when
30:53
Speaker 6: we was on TV and we did these shows. You know,
30:55
Speaker 6: not too many basketball players come up here and speak
30:57
Speaker 6: like that and were just being our naturally self. He
30:59
Speaker 6: wasn't acting on putting know, you know, on camera, then
31:01
Speaker 6: going out being somebody else. We the same person on
31:03
Speaker 6: and off camera.
31:04
Speaker 4: And I think too a big thing was you know,
31:05
Speaker 4: Stephen A. Smith and whether you hate him or love him,
31:08
Speaker 4: I like Stephen A. Smith and he's been instrumental in
31:10
Speaker 4: kind of my journey. We talked often, but he was
31:13
Speaker 4: really big on stay off the weed and used to
31:15
Speaker 4: say that shit all the time until I called him
31:17
Speaker 4: on it and he listened to me. You know, I
31:19
Speaker 4: called him out on social media after I seeing it
31:20
Speaker 4: one too many times, and then I'm on first take,
31:23
Speaker 4: you know, at right at the docks talking about weed
31:26
Speaker 4: on ESPN like no one had ever done that before,
31:28
Speaker 4: no athlete had ever done that before. So I think,
31:30
Speaker 4: to Jack's point, it's just you know, having real conversations,
31:33
Speaker 4: and I think people are always going to respect that.
31:35
Speaker 4: And I remember a ton of times, and you know,
31:37
Speaker 4: I was working for a Fox and ESPN at the time,
31:39
Speaker 4: where you know, there's certain well this is the topic,
31:41
Speaker 4: you know, do you want to say this? I'm like, nah,
31:42
Speaker 4: I don't want to say that. You know, I don't.
31:44
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that. I don't talk like that. This
31:46
Speaker 4: is how I'm going to say it, you know what
31:47
Speaker 4: I mean. So, I mean, obviously I enjoyed my time
31:49
Speaker 4: at both networks, and it kept my name fresh and
31:53
Speaker 4: it allowed other opportunities to happen. But you know, it's
31:56
Speaker 4: it's a little different walking on that side of media
31:58
Speaker 4: than it is on the media side.
31:59
Speaker 8: That we on any of those networks getting it right.
32:03
Speaker 3: I think, so I think you know production is getting
32:06
Speaker 3: it right. Yeah, I think, you know.
32:08
Speaker 4: I think there will always be those big engines, but
32:11
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think you need them anymore.
32:13
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
32:13
Speaker 4: That the digital switch is on, the athlete driven content
32:17
Speaker 4: is on, and entertainment like everyone is experts that are
32:20
Speaker 4: now talking about it. Before there was other people always
32:22
Speaker 4: talking about what they saw, whether it be critics and music, television, film,
32:27
Speaker 4: or sports.
32:28
Speaker 3: But now you actually have the people talking about it.
32:31
Speaker 4: So again, I think there will always be the big
32:33
Speaker 4: Espns and Foxes and all that kind of stuff, but
32:35
Speaker 4: you don't necessarily need it anymore to get your point across,
32:37
Speaker 4: to have a platform over to go viral.
32:39
Speaker 2: I want to ask some basketball questions before y'all get
32:41
Speaker 2: about of Klay Thompson. What you think about him leaving
32:43
Speaker 2: the Warriors and you think it was time for him
32:46
Speaker 2: to go?
32:47
Speaker 6: I think it's a breath of fresh at for them.
32:49
Speaker 6: I mean, some guys need that doing their career.
32:51
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
32:52
Speaker 6: You've played a service bip for so long it's a
32:55
Speaker 6: bad feeling the body, I ain't one the last couple
32:57
Speaker 6: of years, so a lot of times they're going to
32:59
Speaker 6: try to find some idy to blame it on. And
33:01
Speaker 6: it fell on Clay, you know what I'm saying, which
33:03
Speaker 6: which is unfortunate because he's the reason why they have
33:05
Speaker 6: a big part why they have all tho championships over there.
33:07
Speaker 6: But this is how this is how professional sports goes. Yeah,
33:10
Speaker 6: this is how it goes. And I think it's great
33:12
Speaker 6: for him because he's landed in the spot where he
33:14
Speaker 6: can do what he do best with Tour the best
33:16
Speaker 6: one on one players ever and Kyrie and Luca.
33:18
Speaker 3: He could spot up and shoot jumpers.
33:20
Speaker 6: So I think I think it's a great, great situation
33:22
Speaker 6: for him because I've been in a situation where I
33:25
Speaker 6: was somewhere and I needed to go to a different
33:27
Speaker 6: team to be to flourish and be a better player.
33:29
Speaker 1: When I came to Golden State, So that's kind of
33:30
Speaker 1: the same for him.
33:32
Speaker 6: Clay is a hooper. Hooper yeah, oh yeah, he played
33:35
Speaker 6: on both ends. D Rose retired, Oh man, hurt my soul?
33:38
Speaker 3: Where's the farewell tour? Where's the where's the He deserves
33:41
Speaker 3: all that for me, you know what I'm saying. He's
33:43
Speaker 3: one of those guys, bro I think too.
33:45
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously as great as we saw, you know,
33:47
Speaker 4: the injury slowed him down, but everything we're hearing from
33:50
Speaker 4: is he as great as a player was. He's a
33:51
Speaker 4: better person, and you know that's always something that that's
33:54
Speaker 4: important to us. Definitely looking forward up sitting down with
33:58
Speaker 4: him one day. But I just think his impact on
33:59
Speaker 4: the game, how pure and and and and and real
34:03
Speaker 4: he was, will you know, definitely be noted. But you know,
34:06
Speaker 4: one of the greatest. I hate to say what because
34:08
Speaker 4: obviously he gave us a lot while he was here,
34:10
Speaker 4: was the youngest MVP of all time. But I couldn't
34:12
Speaker 4: imagine seeing him be able to stay who he was
34:15
Speaker 4: and get older and how much his game would have
34:17
Speaker 4: grown and developed. I think we missed out on something
34:19
Speaker 4: really special.
34:20
Speaker 8: He never did gun.
34:22
Speaker 6: Yeah, but what touches to his character that I admire,
34:26
Speaker 6: How he got his wife and his kids mother to
34:28
Speaker 6: get along and coparing, how they do it like they
34:30
Speaker 6: are mascots for that.
34:31
Speaker 3: Because they do it the right way. So salute him
34:33
Speaker 3: for that. Who he's what is he? Hoop boy score
34:38
Speaker 3: d Rose, good question.
34:43
Speaker 6: The Rose a hoop. I don't see a lot of
34:44
Speaker 6: chase down blocks. He competes on both. He's a hooping.
34:48
Speaker 1: Who's the face of the league? When when Lebron leaves,
34:50
Speaker 1: who's in?
34:51
Speaker 3: And Stephan Lee?
34:51
Speaker 1: Who's the next face of the league? God should say?
34:54
Speaker 3: I think I think it might be by committee. I
34:57
Speaker 3: think Anthony Edwards.
34:58
Speaker 1: Isn't gonna be one face like Bron.
35:01
Speaker 4: I think it'd be by committee. I think it'll be
35:03
Speaker 4: I think it could be a little bit of Jason Tatum.
35:05
Speaker 4: I think it could be some Luca. I think it
35:07
Speaker 4: could be some shake gilg just.
35:08
Speaker 8: Alexander Job if you get his mind right.
35:11
Speaker 4: Victor women Yama, I think there's a lot of I
35:13
Speaker 4: think the league is in a great place as far
35:15
Speaker 4: as this young talent, you know, like we haven't seen
35:18
Speaker 4: in a long time. But it's it's funny you said that,
35:21
Speaker 4: because I wish people would just appreciate the journey more.
35:24
Speaker 4: We're coming to the end of Ron and Steph and
35:26
Speaker 4: Katie and what they've done and what they've meant for
35:28
Speaker 4: this game, and still all the criticism and hate they
35:31
Speaker 4: get it is just crazy. I mean, because one day
35:33
Speaker 4: they're going to be here but they're not going to
35:34
Speaker 4: be in the game anymore, and people can be like, damn,
35:36
Speaker 4: I missed them, And instead they're too busy trying to
35:39
Speaker 4: criticize and talk shit about Bronnie and Katie's this, and
35:42
Speaker 4: Steph can't do that instead of just kind of enjoying
35:45
Speaker 4: what they've been able to, you know, to bless the
35:47
Speaker 4: world with WNBA.
35:49
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts this year? What a new excitement,
35:52
Speaker 1: new life.
35:53
Speaker 2: Sometimes I ain't go fron it feels better than the
35:55
Speaker 2: NBA is it's what's your thoughts on WNBA?
35:57
Speaker 1: Can't talking?
35:59
Speaker 3: The women's game is here, man, you know what I'm saying.
36:01
Speaker 3: They all played the right way.
36:03
Speaker 6: You know, it's refreshing to watch. It's good to see
36:07
Speaker 6: them start to get their money and get the attention
36:09
Speaker 6: that they deserve. I'm a hooper, so I'm all for
36:12
Speaker 6: you know, anybody that's hooping, that's putting in their work,
36:16
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, that's grinded all these years
36:17
Speaker 6: to get to the top.
36:18
Speaker 3: I'm happy that they're going to just do.
36:20
Speaker 4: I think the growth of the game is tremendous. You
36:22
Speaker 4: know the fact that we're talking about it and seeing
36:24
Speaker 4: it on ESPN, and all the highlights and and and
36:27
Speaker 4: you know, we're doing a piece that I'm excited about
36:30
Speaker 4: on injuries and Kith and Clark and just their dynamic
36:32
Speaker 4: that they brought to the game and and the vehicle
36:35
Speaker 4: of new fans they brought. And you've heard kind of
36:37
Speaker 4: some of the good and the bad that have come
36:39
Speaker 4: with that. You know, Angel spoke out on just the
36:41
Speaker 4: negativity and the racism that will come from some fans
36:44
Speaker 4: and kind of using them.
36:45
Speaker 2: But is that normal though, because you know, it seems
36:47
Speaker 2: like that's normal in the league. I'm sure that you
36:49
Speaker 2: guys have been called a million more names.
36:51
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely absolutely.
36:55
Speaker 1: Fight Utah, Yeah, I just got in trouble and then yeah.
37:03
Speaker 3: That's back when you still had the space between your teeth.
37:05
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
37:07
Speaker 6: I had had a cardboard cut out under the goal
37:10
Speaker 6: with me in a jail suit.
37:11
Speaker 3: Oh no, it was funny. It was a fun game.
37:14
Speaker 3: It was funny too. We were all laughing. Yeah.
37:17
Speaker 4: No, But I just I think the growth through the
37:18
Speaker 4: game is tremendous. I think it's going to continue to grow.
37:20
Speaker 4: It's got new eyeballs and new sponsorship and new money,
37:23
Speaker 4: and you know, we just want to continue to celebrate them.
37:26
Speaker 4: You know, I think it's been such a you know,
37:29
Speaker 4: a hit or miss with that, but just kind of
37:31
Speaker 4: understanding the lineage and where they are after twenty eight years.
37:33
Speaker 4: You know, it's arguably ahead of schedule over where the
37:36
Speaker 4: NBA was at year twenty eight. So again, I think
37:38
Speaker 4: the impact of these new young stars have brought a
37:40
Speaker 4: lot more eyeballs and attention. I hope they continue to
37:43
Speaker 4: carry it. You know, you got Juju coming down the pipeline.
37:45
Speaker 4: Who's a monster, so Paige, Yeah, So I think that
37:49
Speaker 4: league is going to continue to grow and flourish and
37:51
Speaker 4: and give something a lot of little girls, you know,
37:53
Speaker 4: something to look up to. You got to see it
37:54
Speaker 4: to believe it, you know what I mean. So you
37:55
Speaker 4: see that, you see Kamala wonderful presidency. I mean, you know,
37:59
Speaker 4: young girls, you know, it's a great time to look
38:02
Speaker 4: up and see all the greatness ahead of them.
38:04
Speaker 8: Can Joab bounce back, y'all had a great all the
38:06
Speaker 8: smoke with.
38:07
Speaker 3: Job morel Yeah, of course he can.
38:10
Speaker 6: I mean that that was the whole thing when when
38:12
Speaker 6: when it happened, I was saying, like people like you
38:13
Speaker 6: can't make mistakes, you know what I'm saying, like it happens.
38:17
Speaker 6: Everybody makes mistakes, they just don't make him on a
38:20
Speaker 6: level for everybody to see.
38:21
Speaker 3: So he definitely could bounce back, and I think he will.
38:24
Speaker 6: You know, I just think it's gonna take him to
38:26
Speaker 6: make some decisions too about the people he's around, because
38:30
Speaker 6: I've made the same mistake too that I'm saying. We
38:32
Speaker 6: make those mistakes because you know, we feel you know,
38:34
Speaker 6: we got to keep it real and all that at
38:35
Speaker 6: one point, but you got to get to the point
38:36
Speaker 6: where you're keeping it right, you know what I'm saying.
38:38
Speaker 3: I think I think he's there now.
38:39
Speaker 8: They don't let kids funk up no more like y'all
38:41
Speaker 8: wouldn't be one.
38:45
Speaker 3: Well, I just think too.
38:45
Speaker 4: You gotta think when we were sucking up coming up,
38:47
Speaker 4: there wasn't cameras on us constant we could suck up.
38:50
Speaker 4: I remember the stuff I was doing in UCLA probably
38:52
Speaker 4: would have never made the NBA if I had cameras
38:54
Speaker 4: in my face. And then you know, the early days
38:56
Speaker 4: in Golden State, we were out every single night, drinking
38:58
Speaker 4: and smoking in every single city and fighting and doing
39:00
Speaker 4: god knows what. There was no cameras, you know what
39:03
Speaker 4: I mean. So as long as you could show up
39:04
Speaker 4: and play the game the next day, there wasn't an issue.
39:06
Speaker 4: But now everywhere you move, whether you're filming yourself or
39:09
Speaker 4: other people are filming you, there's cameras on you.
39:11
Speaker 3: So you just got to be cognizant of that.
39:13
Speaker 8: That's funny because you would hear that.
39:14
Speaker 5: You'd hear like, let you be like man, Matt Bums,
39:16
Speaker 5: be fucking people up you like Matt Bones, like Matt Box.
39:22
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm saying. We used to get
39:27
Speaker 3: down a little bit. That was it back in my
39:28
Speaker 3: early days.
39:30
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you guys for joining us.
39:32
Speaker 7: Man another one I did, but I forgot it. Oh oh,
39:37
Speaker 7: we were talking about John. What's the biggest thing that
39:39
Speaker 7: you repeat all the time to the young players when
39:41
Speaker 7: they call y'all for like real life advice.
39:42
Speaker 1: Like me now is control your control your own narrative.
39:46
Speaker 3: That's my thing. You know what I'm saying.
39:47
Speaker 6: Because during your career, they can post certain things on
39:51
Speaker 6: TV and then a lot of times the media for.
39:53
Speaker 3: The team would tell you not to reply.
39:55
Speaker 6: I'll not give you the platform to reply to get
39:57
Speaker 6: to get what they're saying about you. Correct, right, So
39:59
Speaker 6: now they're in a position where they have their phones,
40:01
Speaker 6: they have their social media. Use the right way and
40:03
Speaker 6: control your own narrative. Whatever the media try to say
40:05
Speaker 6: something about you, I try to say you said something
40:08
Speaker 6: to the team or councilor something. You can clear it
40:10
Speaker 6: all up on your page, your own social media so
40:12
Speaker 6: they can hear from the hass's mouth.
40:13
Speaker 4: So control your own rat I think that's important too.
40:15
Speaker 4: And then I got fifteen year old sons that are
40:17
Speaker 4: coming down the pipeline, and just for these young players
40:19
Speaker 4: to understand that their brand's already, like you are a
40:21
Speaker 4: walking brand as you speak. And to refer back to
40:24
Speaker 4: the young ladies Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese, they had
40:27
Speaker 4: bigger brands arguably than what the WNBA was at the
40:30
Speaker 4: time they came into it, you know what I mean.
40:32
Speaker 4: So I understand your brand power. And then what Jason,
40:34
Speaker 4: I'm not a businessman, I'm a business like understand that
40:36
Speaker 4: you're really a business everywhere you move and you have
40:39
Speaker 4: to just you just have to. Unfortunate, like you said,
40:42
Speaker 4: there's no room to fuck up because there's so many
40:44
Speaker 4: cameras on you. So just understand every movie's make and
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Speaker 4: everything you say can affect your brand.
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Speaker 7: There was a speaking of your kids. You talk all
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Speaker 7: about your kid There was a video last year in
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Speaker 7: November that went viral of you and Derek Fisher coaching
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Speaker 7: the Twins together. That was a really it was like
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Speaker 7: I think the world was like, oh wow, the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I was I remember twenty before that, right, what was
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Speaker 7: it like getting to that point where now were on
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Speaker 7: the court. It's important to do it.
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Speaker 3: But what was standing?
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Speaker 4: Me and Fish squashed that ship the summer after it
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Speaker 4: happened like that shit happened at the beginning of one season,
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Speaker 4: and then the next summer once I found out that
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Speaker 4: he was around, and then twins cared about him, Like
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Speaker 4: we squashed it because it wasn't about my ex and
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Speaker 4: nine no more. It was about trying to raise these
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Speaker 4: young men. So Fish has been in the boys life
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Speaker 4: for almost half their life, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: So we've always been and I was real enough to
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Speaker 4: sit down and have a conversation with him, like, bro,
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Speaker 4: I'm still playing, so you're going to see my kids
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Speaker 4: more than me. I need you to teach them the
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Speaker 4: ropes while I'm not around. So to me, you know,
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Speaker 4: once I got over and once we talked about how
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Speaker 4: I didn't agree with the move and it could have
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Speaker 4: went a different way, Like it wasn't about saving that,
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Speaker 4: it was about harvesting, and we got to raise two
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Speaker 4: young black men. So I mean, I think he's done
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Speaker 4: a great job. I tiped my hat to him all
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Speaker 4: the time. I mean, he's he's their second dad, and
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Speaker 4: he you know, I coached him in the summer during
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Speaker 4: au and he coaches them during high school. So I
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Speaker 4: mean when people see us, they still kind of trip out.
42:03
Speaker 4: But like we are. Our beef was for a season
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Speaker 4: that long.
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Speaker 5: It's easy to squash beef when you win the fight.
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Speaker 8: Jack, We appreciate y'all.
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Speaker 3: Y'all got some SHOWLDS show today, yep, yeah, well yeah
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Speaker 3: wherever this drops, Yeah to uh.
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Speaker 8: Uh Philly, So Philly, Philly Night Night.
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Speaker 4: So tonight is tonight in New York the seventh in
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Speaker 4: New York tonight, so they may miss it, but tonight
42:36
Speaker 4: in New York, if you're around Gramercy Theater, we got Larry,
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Speaker 4: the one and Only Larry Johnson, my mom, And then
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Speaker 4: yeah in Philly, we're Wednesday Night with with a million
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Speaker 4: dollars worth of game and and a really special guest
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Speaker 4: coming through with them.
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Speaker 3: Man, so where it works outed to be.
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Speaker 6: Honest, Jones, Davies, all them said they was pulling up,
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Speaker 6: so I'm looking to see you.
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Speaker 7: Is it gonna be a I and Philly.
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Speaker 6: You know we're gonna.
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Speaker 4: See what I saw Paul George, So Paul he couldn't
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Speaker 4: come because yeah, we scrammed with Yeah, we're gonna As
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Speaker 4: long as we get him up on the airplane.
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Speaker 3: He'll be here.
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Speaker 8: Favorite is probably my favorite, and.
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Speaker 4: He's different and for him to like, I don't think
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Speaker 4: people understand how passionate, how much he loves life and
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Speaker 4: how much he loves people, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: And we try to tell him all the time, bro,
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Speaker 4: like you gotta talk like people love you to death
43:29
Speaker 4: and they just want to know how you are. They
43:31
Speaker 4: want to know what you think. And so we're slowly
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Speaker 4: getting them to hopefully sitting down and having his own
43:37
Speaker 4: thing one day.
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Speaker 8: Yeah cool, Yeah, Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I played with were so you know, I'm just one
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Speaker 6: of those guys, like every time I played against Chuck
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Speaker 6: when he gets to the city, when his boys are
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Speaker 6: called me and I end up in the club with.
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Speaker 3: Him hanging out.
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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, from city to city, and
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Speaker 6: he lost a friend named Jamal a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 6: and that past counseling me and it was real. And
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Speaker 6: during that time, you know, I stepped in, you know
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Speaker 6: what I'm saying, and tried to help him out a lot.
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Speaker 6: So we just became brothers doing the playing time.
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Speaker 4: That was with him early in my big brother. You know,
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Speaker 4: I got traded with Chris Webber off to Philly early
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Speaker 4: in my early two thousands, and Chuck gave me a
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Speaker 4: car wrote off the whip or off the rip and
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Speaker 4: told me if I needed so it was just like
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Speaker 4: this is Alan and I ever sent. Just give you
44:19
Speaker 4: a car to drive around because I got it. It
44:21
Speaker 4: was like one of the Mustangs when the Mustangs first
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Speaker 4: came out, the Tudor Mustangs. He'd let me push that
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Speaker 4: thing for a couple of months. Just whatever you need, bro,
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Speaker 4: just let me know.
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Speaker 1: I'm just like damn had the Applebee's popping right man.
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Speaker 4: Fridayriday used to really be popping bros. We used to
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Speaker 4: get off the plane at two thirty in the morning.
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Speaker 4: I wasn't playing, so I didn't give a fuck. But
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Speaker 4: he would have limos for us to go to Atlantic
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Speaker 4: city and go chill all night, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 4: have the penthouse, the lowids A thirteen, Like, how the fuck.
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Speaker 3: Is all this free?
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Speaker 4: I learned later that you had to give a little
44:46
Speaker 4: bit of money to the casino to get all that for,
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Speaker 4: you know, But Chuck was he was just one of
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Speaker 4: them rare dudes like you said that that enjoyed life
44:53
Speaker 4: and then gave it his absolute all on that court.
44:56
Speaker 4: If people would see how he used to walk around
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Speaker 4: on off days durn practice with big old elbows and
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Speaker 4: hips are bruised up. And then as soon as it
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Speaker 4: you know, that popcorn starts popping about six six thirty,
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Speaker 4: a different light turns on and he becomes an animal man.
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Speaker 3: So it was just hard too. He do hard.
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Speaker 6: That's what people don't understand. You don't get people that caliber,
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Speaker 6: that loves everybody in that genuine way. That's why that's
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Speaker 6: why it's kind of weird to people. Yeah, that's right,
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Speaker 6: salute the bubble check.
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Speaker 5: That conversation is into all the Smoke Coffee table book,
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Speaker 5: which is out right now, all the stars, all the stories,
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Speaker 5: no apologies, go get it.
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Speaker 1: That's right. It's the breakfast Club, Good morning, Wake.
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Speaker 3: That ass up. In the morning, the Breakfast Club