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Patriots Unfiltered 8/6: Brandon Aiyuk Trade Rumors, Preseason Preview and Recent Practice Takeaways · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: Why do I have to, you know, make sure that
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  Speaker 2: I'm dressed or after a game like so, I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I get it.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people thought them just don't care, know.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of them. But I would be too. I
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  Speaker 4: Say any news? No news yet?
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  Speaker 2: And the news obviously is we're on a watch for
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  Speaker 2: Brandan Ayuk. But in the meantime, it's Duce, it's myself,
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  Speaker 2: it's Paul at Sevan, Matt and Nabooth Jordan on the cameras.
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  Speaker 2: Just got back from practice and it's an overcast, kind
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  Speaker 2: of wet day, rain off and on throughout practice. Chili
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  Speaker 2: only like sixty nine degrees right now. It was it
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  Speaker 2: was downright chilling. But I'll take it he was out
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  Speaker 2: there last real practice before the game or the preseason
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  Speaker 2: game on Thursday. They'll do a walk through tomorrow. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, we got to address the big news, not
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  Speaker 2: news yet, but the rumors out there about the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: fully interested in Ayuk. Reportedly, there's an offer that they
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  Speaker 2: have made to the forty nine ers that the forty
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  Speaker 2: nine ers say they would accept.
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  Speaker 3: They also have.
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  Speaker 2: An offer from the Browns that they also say they
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  Speaker 2: would accept, and right now, supposedly it's up to Brandon
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  Speaker 2: Ayuk as to where he goes. But Paul, we were
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  Speaker 2: talking before the show. You have another theory which makes
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  Speaker 2: a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't know. I like to preface I
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  Speaker 4: don't know anything, but yeah, the reports are that San
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  Speaker 4: Francisco says they have the framework for deals with the
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  Speaker 4: Browns and the Patriots, and I find that odd. I
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  Speaker 4: don't really know how many trades get done that way, like, well,
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  Speaker 4: we have the principals are agreed to with two teams,
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna let the player decide. To me, it sounds
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  Speaker 4: like Francisco put that out there to let everybody around
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  Speaker 4: the league know that, Okay, this is what Kileven's offering,
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  Speaker 4: this is what New England's offering. What do you got, Pittsburgh,
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  Speaker 4: what do you got Washington? Anybody else that may or
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  Speaker 4: may not have any interest. I want to Understan Francisco's
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  Speaker 4: trying to drive the price.
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  Speaker 3: That makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I actually same theory, but I thought it was
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  Speaker 6: more for my ux camp because he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 6: come here to Cleveland and is trying to get one
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  Speaker 6: of the teams he's more interested in playing in. But
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  Speaker 6: either way, the second that I saw, I think there's
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  Speaker 6: some Bay Area reports initially that started this whole thing.
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  Speaker 6: And then this morning, Mike Reeves reported that the Niners
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  Speaker 6: are now open to hearing trade conversations from teams, And
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  Speaker 6: as soon as I saw that rees tweet, I was like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 6: like because if this was just a done deal, it
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  Speaker 6: happens before anybody even knows it, and we just get
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  Speaker 6: a schefter bomb at a random time, and all of
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  Speaker 6: a sudden, Brandon Nayuk is a Brown or a Patriot.
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  Speaker 6: Now it feels like somebody is trying to create a
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  Speaker 6: market for Brandon Nyuk. Whether it's the Niners or it's Ayuk,
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  Speaker 6: I guess can be.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't rule out the Niners too, like just
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  Speaker 4: saying okay, so this is go and make the framework
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  Speaker 4: for your contract. Yeah, sure, we'll match that. Right, you
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  Speaker 4: want to stay here, we'll match that.
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  Speaker 3: Also, they could be also calling as bluff.
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  Speaker 2: So supposedly the forty nine ers have an offer that
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  Speaker 2: they've made Ayuk. Now, I don't know what that is,
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  Speaker 2: but I also don't know how much separation there is
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  Speaker 2: between that offer and what Cleveland and the Patriots are offering.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe they're trying to prove d Ayuk.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, we're pretty close here and you could stay here
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  Speaker 2: and possibly win a super Bowl this year. We're that close.
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  Speaker 2: Those teams aren't as close as we are, so there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot to you know. And that's where I think
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  Speaker 2: Mayo in his press conference this morning says something that
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  Speaker 2: we should all listen to. It might be a little
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  Speaker 2: further along than we think it is. The story, like.
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  Speaker 4: The stories further along than it actually is, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean. Like, I think that was what Gerard
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  Speaker 4: was trying was saying. I think Doug kid asked him
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  Speaker 4: about Kendrick Bourne, because Gerard, rightly, I thought, kept saying,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we're not going to talk about guys on
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  Speaker 4: other teams, you know, you know, out of respect we're
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  Speaker 4: all involved. We're going to keep it to our our players.
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  Speaker 4: And then later in the press conference, I thought Doug
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  Speaker 4: Kyde had a good question about Kendrick Bourne has been
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  Speaker 4: involved in some of these reports as being involved in
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  Speaker 4: the in the trade. Have you talked to him about it?
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  Speaker 4: And Mayo said he had, and then he made the
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  Speaker 4: comment that the story maybe further along, you know at
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  Speaker 4: this point, and my you know, Fred and I sort
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  Speaker 4: of interpreted that as what they're writing is far more
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  Speaker 4: advanced than what's actually happening in terms of the trade talk,
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  Speaker 4: you know, between the teams, so coupled with Evan's saying
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  Speaker 4: about the schefter, the retweet with with schefter. But you
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  Speaker 4: know this, these things can take some time. Because I
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  Speaker 4: had heard something early this morning that you know, noon
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  Speaker 4: was like the deadline. Like that made no sense to
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  Speaker 4: me at all, And here we are, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if maybe it's noon Pacific time. Maybe we'll find out
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  Speaker 4: at three. I don't know. Well, maybe it's right around
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  Speaker 4: the corner. We just don't know it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the other thing is, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if it's true that the forty nine ers
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  Speaker 2: are just trying to drive up the price and other
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  Speaker 2: teams might get involved, the Patriots still have a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of advantage because whatever draft pick it is, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's first, second, or third, it's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: high for a second or third.
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  Speaker 3: Probably if it's the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're looking at it from the forty
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  Speaker 2: nine ers perspective and you look at other teams that could.
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  Speaker 3: Be involved, I mean it could be anybody.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, like the Carolina Panthers, for example, they
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  Speaker 2: would trump us probably in the projection of where the
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  Speaker 2: draft pick would be. But I think there's not a
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams right now projected to have higher draft
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  Speaker 2: picks than the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: We're like, we're projected to.
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  Speaker 4: Have like top five, right, Yeah, I mean projections.
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  Speaker 2: Projections, And obviously you bring an Ayuk and maybe now
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  Speaker 2: that draft pick goes lower because you win more games
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  Speaker 2: that I would think that would be the case.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. It always just worries me when reports come out
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  Speaker 6: that they'll now listen to calls. That tells me that
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  Speaker 6: they haven't gotten a call that either the Niners or
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  Speaker 6: Ayuk are thrilled about. And they're trying to create a
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  Speaker 6: market that doesn't currently exist for the player or for
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  Speaker 6: the team. And if you're the Patriots, the last thing
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  Speaker 6: that you want is more teams getting involved in the sweepstakes.
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  Speaker 6: Now the entire league knows that the Niners will pick
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  Speaker 6: up the phone on a call for Brandon Ayuk, and
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  Speaker 6: that could even be a team we're not thinking about
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  Speaker 6: that somehow maneuvers the cap with some gymnastics and is
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  Speaker 6: able to figure it out to get him in the
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  Speaker 6: building as well. So that always worries me. I'd much
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  Speaker 6: rather just wake up and see that they trade is done.
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  Speaker 4: Take a cap here, I got my pen no right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Then to find out that night.
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  Speaker 3: At a time, not out of ten times.
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  Speaker 2: The way these work is Schefter breaks it and that's
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  Speaker 2: the first you heard about it. The fact that this
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  Speaker 2: is so out there like that and they've got the framework,
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  Speaker 2: it kind of leans toward what Paul's saying is that
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  Speaker 2: this is a forty nine ers trying to.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that doesn't mean the market. That doesn't mean
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  Speaker 4: that I'm poo pooling the reports. No, No, Like, I
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  Speaker 4: think there's probably validity to it. I think that we've
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  Speaker 4: offered them something and it's something that maybe San Francisco
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  Speaker 4: was saying, oh okay, but in the back of their mind,
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  Speaker 4: John Lynch is going around saying, Okay, this is what
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots are offering. Like you said, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots are projected to have a high draft pick. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So my guess is the Patriots aren't willing to give
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  Speaker 4: a first round pick, right, so it might be a
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  Speaker 4: high pick in the second round. Does someone who's projecting
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  Speaker 4: to maybe pick in the twenties want to give a
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  Speaker 4: first rounder that's better than a high second rounder? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so you don't necessarily have to be ahead
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  Speaker 4: of the Patriots in the draft, or you might be
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  Speaker 4: willing to give a higher round because I wouldn't give
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  Speaker 4: up a top five pick for Brandon. I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: I would if the money wasn't involved.
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  Speaker 5: Just the draft pick and that's it now. But you're
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  Speaker 5: gonna have to give him huge contract, And that's my
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  Speaker 5: biggest question.
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  Speaker 3: What does it?
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  Speaker 4: What does that look like? What is the money?
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  Speaker 2: If it wasn't about the money I would give. I
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  Speaker 2: would give a first round pick in a heartbeat for
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  Speaker 2: this guy. He's a first round talent.
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  Speaker 4: But then, so what is he going to play for?
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  Speaker 4: Like he's going to play for free?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you would have like a contract where you know
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  Speaker 2: we had two years left and yet you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to worry about it right away.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's no question. I mean, I wouldn't do it
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  Speaker 4: for a first round pick.
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  Speaker 5: And this will be bigger than what they offer Ridley, right, like,
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  Speaker 5: this will be oh.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, thirty million a year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is to get Yeah. Ridley was like I
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  Speaker 4: think four years ninety two, yeah, and this is probably
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  Speaker 4: be like four and one twenty is yeah, that's thirty
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  Speaker 4: right math hard Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: On one of your shows. This point, they were talking
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  Speaker 2: about twenty five. It's gonna be more than now.
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  Speaker 6: It's got to be it's got to be rating now
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  Speaker 6: there's now thirty for our top ten.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I think twenty eight would be the absolute minimum.
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  Speaker 4: You know what's I think Jefferson is like thirty five
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  Speaker 4: thirty five, so he probably won't go that high, right,
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  Speaker 4: but he's twenty five, twenty six years old. He's gonna
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  Speaker 4: get it. It's gonna get it. Makes sense.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think we're talking about it up there.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it would probably be a four year deal.
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  Speaker 5: Five year I mean the crazy if you get crazy.
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  Speaker 5: But you're getting a guy that's gonna be with May
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  Speaker 5: for his rookie contract hopefully, and you know they'll have
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  Speaker 5: a chance to build that kind of.
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  Speaker 4: You know, chemistry.
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  Speaker 5: I just I just wander up born because I'm not
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  Speaker 5: saying that they're stacked at wide receiver. It just feels
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  Speaker 5: like they have too many guys right now, and not
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  Speaker 5: in a way of talent. It just feels so many
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  Speaker 5: bodies to me, too many of the same guy.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's like, even when you start writing about projections
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  Speaker 5: and stuff, you I like, I forget about Kendrick Borne,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like it's like or I forget about kJ asmore.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they just it's so easy, especially with the
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  Speaker 5: two rookies, to kind of focus on them. So I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, I just I threw it out there. I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: is it possible that they try to throw Baker into
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  Speaker 5: that deal? Like, you know, do you throw one of
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  Speaker 5: these rookies with some upside that you know, a manageable
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  Speaker 5: contract is But for the forty nine ers, if this
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  Speaker 5: kid were to work out, maybe they liked them in
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  Speaker 5: the scouting process. I don't know, It's just I mean
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  Speaker 5: I heard on the table Born on the table. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and we should talk about Jude On too,
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  Speaker 5: which you know, seemed like that took took another turn
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  Speaker 5: today as well. I think he should be I mean
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  Speaker 5: that makes sense to me to sell him.
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  Speaker 4: I'm curious, like we all talked about a yuk. I'm
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  Speaker 4: curious what the listeners think, you know, like, would you
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  Speaker 4: know do you want ayuk? I assume the answer is yes,
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  Speaker 4: But if so, what are you willing to offer? You're
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  Speaker 4: willing to offer the first and the contract or a
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  Speaker 4: second in the contract is you know, including Born and
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  Speaker 4: maybe even judea On or something like that. Is that
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  Speaker 4: a deal? Is that a deal breaker? I'm curious to
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  Speaker 4: see what what the listeners think.
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  Speaker 6: I really feel like they're the Patriots first round pick
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  Speaker 6: is off the table. That's I don't even think that's
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  Speaker 6: part of the conversation. This this trade, to me feels
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  Speaker 6: like it's going to be a little bit more like
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  Speaker 6: a like a baseball or a basketball trade, where it's
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  Speaker 6: going to be like a second and third plus Kendrick
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  Speaker 6: Bourne or plus the Matthew Judah and maybe the veteran
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  Speaker 6: player and a guy like Bourn makes a ton of sense.
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  Speaker 6: He's been a San Francisco forty nine or he's played
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  Speaker 6: in that system. He's familiar with it, was productive in
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  Speaker 6: it his last year there, and he's got the injury.
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  Speaker 6: But once he's healthy, they don't need to.
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  Speaker 2: Get him up with a second conditional first, and the
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  Speaker 2: condition is the Patriots make it to the divisional round.
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  Speaker 6: You can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: You can't do that, No, why not?
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  Speaker 6: It's just not CBA stuff like you can't make the
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  Speaker 6: pick contingent on team success. So you could make the
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  Speaker 6: pick contingent on Brandon n You's success.
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  Speaker 4: Games played you know, milestone catches and whatnot. Yeah, did
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  Speaker 4: you like playoff catches? I think so.
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  Speaker 3: I do think you can do catches in the Silver Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: I think you could do individual incentives based on team,
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  Speaker 4: like you could put in Ayuke's contract you get a
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  Speaker 4: five hundred thousand dollars bonus if you make or something
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well all right, so that's how you This
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  Speaker 2: is what we know.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know much, so it's not only what's being.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh man, this is the.
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  Speaker 6: Forty nine Ers are such a good team and they're
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  Speaker 6: such a well run football operation. This to me is
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  Speaker 6: is not a good football move for San Francisco. Like
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  Speaker 6: I just that's the part that I can't get over
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  Speaker 6: of actually trying to take this seriously. Is you're telling
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  Speaker 6: me that one of the best football operations in the
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  Speaker 6: NFL a month before the season is gonna trade their
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  Speaker 6: best receiver when they could win a Super Bowl this year,
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  Speaker 6: and they're gonna get pennies on the dollar. Because it's
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  Speaker 6: not a good time to trade somebody right now during
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  Speaker 6: this time of the year. You can't get anybody that's
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  Speaker 6: gonna help you in the immediate with the draft picks
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  Speaker 6: and the Niners are gonna do. Like, I just can't
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  Speaker 6: get over It's it's not a good football move and
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  Speaker 6: they don't make bad foot ball moves in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 5: And like, I just think it's such an interesting situation
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  Speaker 5: where he's coming from a place where they've got a
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  Speaker 5: superstar tight end, they've got Debo, they've got you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, there's a lot of stars.
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  Speaker 5: So it's it's hard to kind of establish a pecking
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  Speaker 5: order with that team, and it seems like it's hard
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  Speaker 5: to kind of arrange the value of you know, do
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  Speaker 5: we value him as a number one? Like he is
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  Speaker 5: a number one, but for us, we you know, we've
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  Speaker 5: built this thing to kind of be a four pronged attack,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, it's just it's it's interesting the way
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  Speaker 5: they built the team. It feels like this is kind
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  Speaker 5: of coming back. It's hard to come.
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  Speaker 4: But I agree with Evan because to me, it would
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  Speaker 4: be short sighted if John Lynch looked at it that way,
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  Speaker 4: because I think that might be the way it is
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  Speaker 4: right now, but I think easily at this time next year,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's George Kittle, It's Christian McCaffrey, and it's Deebo, Samuel,
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  Speaker 4: those three guys are not guaranteed to be in the
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  Speaker 4: same spot that they are right now physically next year.
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  Speaker 4: They're close to the end, those three guys, and I
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  Speaker 4: know they're not all that old, but they've all been
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  Speaker 4: like really physically pounded for several years now. It's gonna
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  Speaker 4: happen with those guys. That's why I wonder if the
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  Speaker 4: Auk is in his prime.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I wonder if.
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  Speaker 2: There's more to this than we know in terms of
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  Speaker 2: Ayuk's relationship with his current team.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it could be good.
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  Speaker 2: It could be that it's just an intolerable situation that
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  Speaker 2: they have to move them because like both of you
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  Speaker 2: are saying, like he's the young guy, wouldn't you be
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  Speaker 2: trying to move Deebo rather than him? And if it's
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: a money thing, just give them money to Ayuk. I mean,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: it's a little strange.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: I wonder if whatever he would agree with for the
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Patriots or Cleveland money wise, if he's not willing to
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: agree with that with San Francisco, right, I wonder, Again,
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: I know nothing, because sometimes I'm just wondering.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: These players they dig their heels in and it doesn't
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: matter they just want out, and they actually end up
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: taking the same or maybe a little bit more around
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: the same that the current team was offering, just to
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: get the hell out.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: Like I said to you a couple of weeks ago
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: when we were talking about some of this stuff, probably
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: like a month ago, like is a report about Washington.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: He was really interested in Washington because of his friendship
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: with Jayden Daniels, And I was like, I'm not sure
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: I like him as much anymore, right, you know, not
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: personally obviously, but like as a player, Like why would
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: you want, you know, openly want to leave San Francisco
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: a team that is absolutely a Super Bowl contender to
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: go play with your friend, right right? Like really that's
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: the off season.
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: There's also just the uncertainty with him of if he's
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: truly the number one and getting all the attention, Like
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: what does that look like? I know that there's plenty
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: out there of scouts saying and there's plenty of scouts
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: out there saying, no, he's worth it. He's a number one,
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: and you know, and I like him, and that's all fair,
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: but you know, until you actually see it, especially coming
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: here where it's like number one and then a.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: Lot of question marks, it would be the cut number one.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Get it's fair to.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Wonder what you know, Sauce Gardner, Polo, you know twice
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: a year you're you know what I mean.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Is tell you could have a huge year if you
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: if you picked up a guy like a Yuka Is
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: to Mario Douglas, yeah.
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: I think that it's more that. To me, it's the
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: it's the domino effect of now it makes life easier
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: on everybody else. And that's why you know when people say, well,
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: how many wins does Brandon I you got him in
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: a vacuum. I'm not going to sit here and tell
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: you that it adds five wins to the Patriots. But
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: his gravity in the offense of he's going to draw
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: sas Gardner every week, He's going to have the safety
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: attention every single week. And now all of a sudden
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: pop Douglas and Jalen Polk and Hunter Henry and Ramandra Stevenson,
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: they all have a little bit more room and a
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: little bit more faciaus.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: We're talking about this before practice today.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Don't you think ayuk on last year's team gives you
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: three extra wins?
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: No, I had three games where they scored six points.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: I think I think that their offense will be better.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not a big fan of X guy gives you
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: x amount more wins, Like I think their offense would
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: be better, right, I don't think. I think it's unquestionable
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: their offense.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Don't think offense last year would equal at least three
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: more wins.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: I don't no, I don't know. I have to see
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: how the game's unfolded. I don't think it's a very
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: good team. I don't think it was a very good
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: team last year. They easily could have won three more games.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Last year, they still stunk, right like, even if they
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: won the games. But I don't think, No, I don't
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: think that, like you score another touchdown, like, I don't
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: think it works that way. I know for anybody a quarterback,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: I know the quarterback makes the difference between wins.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Obviously, the whole butterfly effect, I get it. But if
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: they had scored an extra touchdown in three games, they win.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: But as Mac Jones throwing the ball all over the yard,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: even with Brandon Nayuk, I don't think you win my.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Points like shucking it up down getting picked off.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Like they had poor quarterback play last year. They have
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: poor quarterback play again this year. With or without Brandon Ayuk,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: you're going to struggle offense.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Granted, granted I just think that he does.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: That make sense, Yeah, I just don't think the translates that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I know their offense was awfully last year, but I
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: think he would have made it better and he would
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: make this year's offense better as well.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: So there's no question about that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: And I think the offense would be better.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: Your your theory of that it the relationships are too
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: far gone in San Francisco. Is the only explanation as
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: to why this is happening is nothing. It's nothing to
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: do with football, because you know, to deuce his point
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: about is he truly a number one? You know, when
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: I watched that offense last year, and you know, you
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: guys know I like to watch that offense as much
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: as anybody.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: He was the engine of the offense last year outside
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: in the passing game, like McCaffrey is the engine of
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: the offense as a whole. But in the passing game,
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: he was the best player they had to throw the
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: ball to and it wasn't even close. Like you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: as much as I think Debo and Kittle are good players.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: He's the best receiver on the team.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I agree with that.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: So even though he you know, he would get more
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: attention here, I don't necessarily look at it and say
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: he wasn't a number one in San Francisco last year
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: because he was the guy on the outside at the
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: X spot getting a lot of that coverage and he
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: was their best player on offense outside of McCaffrey last year.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: So it just to me, it just feels like, you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: no matter where he goes, he's going to be that guy.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: So let's talk about the guys on this team.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: We've had quite a few practices since the last unfiltered,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: so we a lot to catch up with with what
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: we've seen since.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Practice. Yeah, I think.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: The highlight for me, you know, was yesterday with the
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: physical practice that they had. I mean told them, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: want you guys playing at full speed at least the
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: defense because.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: They were lighting some people up.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: No, that was his physical Like I cannot remember the
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: last time they tackled to the ground, you know, for
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: like full team periods. They were like two full periods
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: of complete tackle to the ground.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And he said, that's I feel like he just can't
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: go into a game without having done it yet.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: So and I've been really agree with that. By the way,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I've been reading a little bit from some other people
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: around the league, and I guess there's more of that
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: going on, and I wonder. I wonder if people have
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: sort of decided, well, we don't want to do it
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: in preseason games because we don't want to have our
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: players playing in those games. So this is much more
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: of a controlled environment. We can do it without joint
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: practices because joint practices get really chippy. We've seen it
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: now again with the Giants and the Lions are getting
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: in fights. So I wonder if maybe some of the
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: coaches are saying, we're not gonna play our players in
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: the preseason games, so they're not gonna be ready. We
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: got to do something different in camp, and I will
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: say they've been like every three days they've been a
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: day off so far, and I would say about forty
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: five minutes to fifty five minutes of every practice has
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: sort of been an extended warm up. But they've been
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: in full pads now what six times, which I think
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: is more than they were in camp last year and
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: tougher than Belichick Andy And when they've had. You know, Like,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: like I said, I think it's a mix. Like I
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: think the practices last year were probably more intense than
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: these practices, but when they've been intense this year, I
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: think it's exceeded anything they did last year. Certain does
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: that makes sense? Yeah, certainly. Yesterday's I mean that's just
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: was a yesterday. It was as intensive practice as I
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: can remember, going back to when I first started working
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: for you, when they used to tackle to the ground
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: school guys. Yeah, like double sessions and one of them
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: was like full board tackle to the ground and then
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: they would take it easy in the afternoon.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my feeling after yesterday's practice, because these
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: last two practices really haven't been overly productive. I mean,
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: I felt like the offense was making progress last week
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: and you could kind of feel like, all right, some
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: things just starting to open up in the run game,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: and you know, the quarterbacks have got some time, and
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: certainly those plays still exist the last two practices, but
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: overall it's it's.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Kind of been a grind. But I was kind of
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: almost okay with it yesterday just because it was so
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: hard and it was so run oriented, so it wasn't
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: really necessarily like you didn't go out of those saying
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett took a step back to oh, Drake May,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: like he had that momentum. I didn't do that yesterday,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: and I really didn't do it today because I think
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: there's still been some things that I like about. I
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: think there's more rhythm, but everything is short. I don't
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: know how you guys feel. It's like when when you
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: see like Drake May, because you know not to step
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: on you us side of the street. No one cares
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: about youset Like Brissette's been fine. I think he's going
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: to be more than likely going to be the guy
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: to open the season. But you're starting to see some
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: of the things that people talk about with May, like
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: when he gets in rhythm, the ball's out and it
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: comes out on time. When he gets a little bit
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: of time, he looks like he knows what he's doing.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: The ball comes out and he's pretty accurate. I think
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: he's been let down a little bit by his receivers
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: at times, with some drops here and there. I thought
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Javon Baker struggled today despite making an unbelievable catch on
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: the sideline and seven on seven diving parallel. He dropped
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: two or three others one led to a pick. But
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I I'm not I'm not overly down on may. I
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: don't know if that's no, no no, I, like I
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: said it to Evan, it's so is that a Homer take?
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I'll wear it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: This is so hard because the only the moves the
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: needle is he was amazing today or he was terrible today. Yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: And I don't ever feel like he's I feel like
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: he's been consistently okay and a little better here and there.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: And it's you know, and and and like those throws today, the.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: You know, the fade to jehean Bell, which I just
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: thought was a beauty, like you know those seven on seven,
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: seven on seven.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: You see it for sure, you know.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: But again, it's just it's so hard to manage, like
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: with all the hot takes that are out there, and like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: you know, that's the only stuff that moves the needle.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: But like slow and steady wins the race. And that's
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: what I kind of feel like he's been.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: And a lot of it is we don't know what
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: we're looking at. Oh, I guess I whole guess it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Came out like some of the stuff where a few
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: practices ago were made and looking they were working on
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: third and Law.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: You know, one of the first days there was one
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: of his best days.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: But peres are going to go down.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that was one of his best days. I
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: heard that this morning. The guy had the wrong practice. Okay,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: one of his best days was was a third and
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: long day. Talked about it after.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Practice, Yeah, no, he was, but he was talking about
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: a practice earlier.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Okay, maybe I mean there was a third.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Practice that they actually I thought they converted a handful
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: of them, like, I thought they did pretty good, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: he talked about how hard it is, Yeah, and I
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: thought that I thought that was Maybe I don't know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: maybe I thought better of may Maybe I am a
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: homer because maybe we're getting bogged down by semantics of
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: which practice it was. But I feel like I've seen
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: some steady progress from him. But it's steady progress.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: I'm not telling you that he looks like I'll pro
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden out at practice, but the ball's
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: coming out quicker. His eyes aren't darting around as much,
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: and like where he's you know, looks like he's uncertain
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: of where he's supposed to go with the football, And they,
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: to me, have been doing some interesting coaching with him
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: in terms of what they're throwing at him defensively, a
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: lot of blitzes, a lot of two high safety shells,
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: and they're telling him, you're we know you can throw deep,
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: and we know that you can do the playground stuff.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: We're gonna make you do the other things in practice.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: We're gonna work on the weaknesses, which is, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: can you get the ball out quickly? Can you beat
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: a blitz? Can you read a defense out and get
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: the ball out underneath? Can you hit the throws outside
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: the numbers that in college sometimes those balls would sail
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: over guys heads and we get those whoa where did
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: that that didn't go? And he, to me, has made
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: a lot of strides in those areas in the ball.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: It seems crisper and more in rhythm when he's in there.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: It was behind a few guys today on the short passing,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: but I agree like he's he's starting to look a
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: little bit better. He had a throw yesterday in the
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: physical practice forty yards downfield. He actually overthrew it by
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: a couple of yards but it was just a flick
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: of the wrist. It was like Aaron Rodger esque like like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I haven't we haven't seen that in a quarterback here.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: We haven't seen that in a quarterback here in quite
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a while. Yeah, And it was, you know, a really
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: really nice throw.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Now it's that there's no more of the days to
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: like get there, you know.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: I remember that with some of Max balls where it's like,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: you know, we try to hit that deep out and
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: it would just you know, kind of linger there, even
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: off the scene stuff, which just but with May you
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: can tell. And I thought some of those throws near
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: the end today when they kind of did a situational
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Baker had that drops it like he puts a mustard
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: on those throws.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, granted it's it's hard with the.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Rain and everything, but but he can step up and
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: sling it. It's just it's I've said it one hundred
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: times now, it's just it's nice not to have to
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: think about those things. But you know, now we're getting
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: into preseason, so it's let's put them in a game.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: And I think that, to me is what I'm most
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: interested in overall of the offenses. You just haven't seen
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: them live situationally, down to down, you know, the play clocks, run.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: And get the play.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: It's all stringing them together, and they jointed.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: For the offense in general. But I do agree, you
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: know the way you know, Evan and Mike just talked
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: about it, and it's nothing for me, it's nothing fancy.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Well they're talking about the specific plays like it's nothing fancy,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: But it's the stuff that he probably didn't do as well.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: And you might look at it. It was like there
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: was that one team period early today where it was
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: like a like a quick little hook and then it
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: was like rag or like three times. None of the
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: balls probably traveled more than five yards. It snap all
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: out catch, take the easy money. Yeah, you know, maybe
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: it's you know, let's let's assume instead of assuming it's
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: third and long and getting in, let's assume it's first
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: and ten and now it's you know, second and four. Yeah, okay,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: So I thought he did a good job of that
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: at times today and we've seen that a little bit.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: The other thing I like about May is the confidence
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: he has thrown outside the numbers. You know, that pass
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: it may only be five or eight yards beyond the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, but it's still a twenty five yard pass.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And you see, like in the past with with Mac
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: it takes so long to get there, and with him
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: it's a confident throw because he knows he's got.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: There's a little different in the two minute for that one.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: It was one of those that took a long time
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: to get there. Well, the immortal del Pettis.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: I thought, I thought to your point, the quick game
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: stuff with those midfields, three of them were the er.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was just it was born rega Rager
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: in like a five play span and they were all completions,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: and it all like what you were talking about, just
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: like the rhythm, like he's getting the snap, he's on
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: the back foot, the balls out.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Like that drive. I was actually you brought it up
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: before I could. That to me is what I've been
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: looking for with him, to say that he's taking a
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: step forward, because those are the things that he wasn't
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: doing at North Carolina. Was like anticipating those one on
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: ones on the outside and getting the ball out on time.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: And sometimes you see guys like Bill you know, did
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: it on the draft night and Kurt Warner with the
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: guys that really know quarterback playing what they're looking at.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: They'll break down here. This guy's open if he throws
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: it with some anticipation and throws it a beat earlier
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: as he's coming out of his break. But then he
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: holds the ball and now it's covered and so he's
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: got to pull it down and you know, the train
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: comes off the rails. That drive, to me, was exactly
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: what you would want to see out of Drake May.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: And these guys are playing seven eight yards off the
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: line of scrimmage, and to Fred's point, he can just
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: get the ball out there. So if you're gonna play
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: off coverage against us, now all of a sudden, we
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: can hit the ball outside the numbers. We're gonna throw
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: it out. We're gonna throw a quick hitch, and eventually
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: the defense has to start creeping up towards the line
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: of scrimmage, and that's when you start to be able
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: to go over there.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I mean what you said about anticipating, that's one of
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: the biggest things with all these quarterbacks that we've seen
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: come through camps over the years. Compared to Tom Brady,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Brady trusts.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: What should be and not just what he sees, and.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: These young quarterbacks. They don't trust what should be. They
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: only trust what they're seeing right now. But they have
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: to get into that mindset of if he makes that
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: break where he's supposed to break the break, and I
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: throw it ahead of time, he'll be there. But it's
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: hard to do that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's doing it a lot better what you don't
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: see yet. Yeah, he's doing it a lot better now.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: He didn't do that at North Carolina at a high level.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: He's doing it a lot better now now. Unfortunately, in
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: the two minute, you know, one goes through Javon Baker's hands,
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: the other one, you know, bounces off Juju for the
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: seventh time, and you know that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Gets something on the That bowl looked like it was
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: coming out. It came out funny to the one off
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: of Juju, and he also Juju was going left to
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: the left sideline, well his right sideline, but like for us,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: and the ball came back on the backside. I thought
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: something happened on that play.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: But everybody like, yeah, that's what everybody's quick to jump
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: to at this point.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Myself included, Yeah, yeah it's possible.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: I think we're at the point and we'll see what
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: it looks like. On Thursday night. This is kind of
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: the last stamp. But if he looks good on Thursday night,
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: then he's got to play with the ones like you gotta.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I think he's gonna.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: No, not on No, I'm not talking about it on
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: Thursday night. I'm talking about in practice next week because
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: at some point it's not necessarily about is he ready
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: to start Week one, It's just you have to see
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: what it looks like with the ones against ones. It's
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: not just with our starters, it's also against the starting defense.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: You know, can he dissected and can he read it
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: out as quickly like when it's Christian Gonzalez and Jonathan
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: Jones and Kyle Dugger and Jabriel Pepper's out there and
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: not the guys he's going up against now. So at
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: some point you have to see it against the ones
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: to know if it's for real and now will come
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: next week, I mean even against the Eagles in the
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: joint practice, like, let's see it for a series or two.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: So Gerard also said today he was asked who's going
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: to play preseason, He's like, you know, anyone that's healthy
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: could play.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I think what he really.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Will play, he said, everybody that's healthy will play.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Will play.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: But I think what he's saying is that's what he's
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: telling the players because he wants them already. I don't
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: think everybody will play.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I think they will, Oh you do.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think every player who's healthy will play.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking necessarily about the bottom ten guys on
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: the roster, but I think the starters will play a series.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I think that's the way. I don't see why he
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: would say that if that's not what he what he meant, Yeah, well,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I think And he also, that's more than you got
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: in the past. Yeah, Like he was very quick to say,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: like Bill didn't tell you I did.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Just I think it makes sense with the quarterbacks, like
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: I'd like to see all four guys and even they
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: all just got.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: There wasn't a follow up to Mike on that. Someone
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: asked him specifically, like if if all four guys will playing,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: because yeah, that's a plan.
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and as Jacoby's gonna start, And he said that
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: plan is to start Jakobe. That's the one guy that
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: in eight but eight years now, thirty one year old,
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: forty eight career starts, Like does he really we really
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: need to see it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I see it kind I kind of agree with fred
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: in that, like in most of these situations where you
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: have a veteran who's keeping the seat worn for the
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: new guy, he's already on your team. It's Brett far Fitz,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers. This is like he's got to play too
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: to get up to speed with these guys. Not necessarily
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: the offense because he knows that, but like he's never
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I mean Jalen Polk and Javon Baker and kJ Osborne.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: He doesn't have a like a rapport with these guys.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: It's not gonna be much he's gonna play. I mean,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: that's why I'm not like it's gonna be a series now.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: You know, who knows. The series could be like the
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: way that they've been at practice. The series could be
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: twelve plays, you know, or I mean it could be
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: a three and out. I don't necessarily think there's a
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: number of plays he has.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: That's why I think it can't be too definitive if
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you're dry, because you just don't know what's going to happen.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: If you haven't seen enough of a player, maybe he's
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: in another series more than you thought he would be in,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: you know, so you know what.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Would be interesting, you know, in that regard. It just
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: thought of it like if they come out and they
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: have a good drive, like you can like chew up
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: three quarters of a quarter, right, so he might look
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: at that and say, I don't want all that time
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: to come off the clock. If if Jacoby goes out
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: there and they all of a sudden have like an
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: eight play drive going, just take him out right, put
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: May in and let him finish the drive. Yeah, you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: make sure he gets the snaps, because I think that's
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: what we all want to see. We want to see
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: multiple drives for Drake May. Yeah. I mean I don't
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: know what the number is, but I'd like to see twenty.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Plays, multiple drives in multiple scenarios. What do you needs
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: in multiple situations?
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Anythink do you think there's value too and just getting
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Zappi in there to let other teams maybe have a
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: look at him a little bit.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Is that? Is that anything? You know?
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Look at the tapes from the last year.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: He's one He's one games in this.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: He's one game, So go look at those games. There's
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: enough tape on Bailey's.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: That's my new line every time z he does something,
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: he's one game.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: That's why when he says we're gonna play all four,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I cringe because I want to see Drake May. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: want Drake May to get as many snaps as possible.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: But you don't want to play like the whole game.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: You want to play a half?
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Do you want to see I think he could play
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: basically the equivalent of a half, Like if he goes
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the first quarter and finishes the
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: first half, that to me is like, that's almost a half.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's close.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Enough, it seems how Joe Milton does.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: And then you split Zappie and Milton, right, That's how
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: That's sort of how I felt it would go. Is
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: you know, maybe they give Jakobe a series or two,
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: depending on how long the first series is, and then
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: Drake finishes out the entire first half and then you
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: get split.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: You think when they put Drake in, they might keep
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: the starting O line in at least for one series.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: I doubt it is more because of risking those guys
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: to injury.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: That plus, like what is the starting offensive line I know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I mean besides David Andrews and Michael wy.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Just city well, speaking of that. We saw Kane Wallace
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: take a walk off the field today on him.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: But he's with the second group, and you know it's
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: been Venerian Lowe and Calvin Anderson the last couple of
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: days at tackle. You want to keep those guys out there.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I would like to see Kayton Wallace get some work
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: provided that because the last time we saw an offense
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: ave Lineman get hurt then stay in the practice, he
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: missed the next couple of days. So yeah, I don't know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: just they just don't have a lot of options at
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: tackle it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: I wondered about the center position because that was the
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: problem again today Mafi got pulled. You know, Andrews isn't
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: full participate with the ones all the time, and he
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: like he does a few reps and then he comes
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: out and a lot. So if you're telling me you
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: want to keep Leverett.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: In, I'd like to have Leverett be the center to
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: make sure he gets good snaps.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the lever that could definitely your other.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Guy's starting to get some Charles Charles.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: That was Mafi out, And I mean you've seen Mafi
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: out earlier practice working on the snaps. I mean you
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: can tell it's a thing.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: But did you guys see and I already talked to Michael,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: what did you see anything happen with so today? Like
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: he was, he was at his regular left guard spot
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: in the walk through before practice. Then he didn't really
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: take any of the reps. And now Michael b Jordan
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: after that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it might be just a management thing. I don't know.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: M all right, he's dealing with So the game, the
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: preseason game is Thursday.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: What's the start time? Seven thirty.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: We're going for thirty for the for the pregame social games.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, our first pregame social with the new host.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, yes, yes, preseason I'll always.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Got he's got to produce the preseason. So it's gonna
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: be just like Paul, just Mike.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: And Paul and just Mike.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: When Paul goes to do his hit.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Oh no, we're gonna we're gonna time that up. We're
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: gonna we're gonna work that. I already talked to Jeremy
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: about it a little bit. We'll work out. So make
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: sure we're in a break when I do.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Will you at least have Duncan?
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Of course, Dunk.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: We will absolutely have Duncan.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: Just waiting on our sponsorship.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: That's not the producer is.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: It's still sponsored by Duncan.
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: We are, We're just Kristen just has to bring me
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: down our sponsorship stuff.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, jeez, scare me.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna bring back to coffee cake muffins.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: I think this year coffee coffee.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Our first preseason game on Thursday.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: No Bryce Young, no Xavier get Yeah, no Bryce Young.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: That's my.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Aget has a foot injury. And I know Donald's not
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: playing because he's got like a quald.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: The Panthers don't need to develop Bryce Young. He doesn't
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: need the reps in preseason.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean in preseason games. You don't like
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: preseason game reps are almost useless.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: That's better than nothing.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not really sure it is.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: It's funny though, since we've gone to three games, no
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: one's really settled in on like what the formula is.
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: Like.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Everyone still seems like we.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Have no idea who's gonna play, Like you know, back
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: in like when there were four, we always know like
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: three is the dresser.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe finally when we get to maybe finally, when we
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: get to two press and games, they might mean something or.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: At least just think this is just limit.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: It's like the first in the second game is all
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: our starts.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think people, I don't think that anybody wants
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: to play in them. I think coaches reluctantly put guys
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: in that they don't really want to have been played.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: They just eliminate them.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: So you think you could go into the regular season
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: with a high level of NFL play?
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I didn't say that, But I don't think
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: the preseason is going to change the level of play
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: that you open with.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: I don't like eliminating the preseason. I think two is fine.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you this is what's going to happen. Yeah, okay,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: as ready as like you know, Bill Belichick is no
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: longer in the league, not right now right you know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: like you know Andy Reid will be gone soon, you know,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin when this when when it's all the young
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: guys with the tight pants, yep, no one will do
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: anything in the preseason. Could be because the only practice
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: that Bill Belichick that old traditional. I don't know how
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: much you're supposed to get guys ready to tackle and
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: and be able to you know, how do you how
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: do you cover kicks like no one cares, Bill, No
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: one cares.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: When that day comes, there'll be more more joint practices.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I think joint practices are going to be endangered too.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: If they can't figure out how to do this without
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: having fight night at the four.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: I think there is a case. Then then how do
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: you get teams ready to play tackle football if you
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: can't practice?
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know, Like, how do every team and every
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: other level do it. It's only the NFL that has
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: preseason games.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: It's a schedule.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: What if we played a UFL team, Figure it'll be
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: it'll be an adjustment, it'll be funny, it'll look weird,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: and then after a couple of years it just be normal.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I also just I agree that the level of play
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: at the beginning of the season is not great, and
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I think we've been saying that for years and years
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: and years.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: I just feel like, also just covering a team that
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: has a first year head coach, this is the first
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: time that Gerrod Meyo is going to be the head
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: coach of a football team during a game.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: He needs reps, He needs reps.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Alex Van Pelton needs reps. De Marcus Covington needs reps.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: But they can get them with anyone. You know. They
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: don't need the start.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: All they have to do tomorrow is go out on
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: the field, in the in the stadium, put the clock
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: on and have reps. Like, there's your reps.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: No, it's different.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Is a game, Mike. Tell them, Tell them how easy
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: If you played sports, you know it's differently what I
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: have the game.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Tell them what I do, Mike, Tell them what I do.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: Mike.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: I just do what I do and I know nothing.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: It's not that hard all the time out, get out
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: of bounds, spike the ball.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: But it's it's not that hard for you, But for
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: some of these guys it is.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Why is it not that hard for me? But it's
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: a hard thing to do? If I have an anymore?
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Can do you have what I'm telling you? Have an
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: aptitude for it?
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I'm having no aptitude hicking around. I'm being serious.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Some people people know I'm Some people are better at
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: it than others.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: We have a small update from Ian Rapaport.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Brandon Ayukas and Logan Airport.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: The latest on the Brandon I on Brandon Ayukaus. The
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: forty nine Ers continue active trade discussions with the Steelers
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: Browns and Patriots.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Steelers are back in it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: At least at least all three teams are still in it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Okay, so at least I wasn't completely The.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: More teams that are in it, the less confident I am.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: We're back. I think that's probably probably that's probably safe.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: The more the more someone's going to offer more than
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: you did.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: Yea and a more appealing situation.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Does he want to play for Pittsburgh? Does he does?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: He like?
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: That was one of his teams on his list initially, Pittsburgh.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: That's Washington.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: I know, I remember Washington. I didn't know.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: I guess this is that Pittsburgh is him calling the
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: Steelers and being like, come on, guys, like I don't
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: want to know they're willing.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about you on a little bit today.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I feel like this is like depressing. Yeah, and he
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: spoke yesterday. It was a little weird. I mean, I
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: just didn't seem like Matthew jude On to me. Came
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: out today, warmed up, no shoulder pads on, looked like
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: he just had a shell on, didn't have a helmet
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: with him, disappeared for a little bit, then came back
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: out and was just watching again. So it's, you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: the kind of company line has always been out here.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: He's been practicing with pads on and that was the
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: big question we had after the dust up last week,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: was and he was there, and he was with pads.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: He wasn't, you know, participating in everything first round all
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: He's kind of in and out.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: But it just it feels to me like this thing's
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: going a little sour right now. And I just I
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: don't know. Yesterday I got a bad vibe from Judah
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: and just didn't seem like he's really.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: It was tough listening to him yesterday. I was in
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: on that that interview in you know, like to me,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: the money line, the takeaway line was, you know, someone
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: asked him, you know, earlier in camp you basically said
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: you weren't happy with the way you handled it last year.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: You said you would play, you know, honoring your contract,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: and he said I said I would play. I didn't
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: say nothing about practice, And I was just like, wow.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, practice.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, That's exactly what it sounded like. Right was was
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Alan Iverson like, I didn't say anything about practice.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: It's like Evan always just says, you know, is Matthew
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Judon going to be part of the next great Patriots team?
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: And you know, I think it's a great line, and
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: I mean it's very true, but it's I think the
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: reason to keep him around was that.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: But can he be part of the rebuild and can
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: he be part.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: Of re establishing the culture here and you know, making
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: this defense competent enough that they can keep a young
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: offense that's still trying to find its way in games.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: And I just I don't know if he's invested in that.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: And it's funny to me because like we're talking about
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: the Niners with Brandon Ayuk and we're saying, you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: could the relationship with Soward so much that John Lynch
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: feels like he has to make a move. This is
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: a team that's in a Super Bowl conversation. I mean,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: from the outside looking in, it certainly looks like this
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: relationship is sourd right, Okay, Now, whether what's going on
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: behind closed doors, you know, we're not privy to, but
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: you would think a team that is trying to establish
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: a culture and get back to that situation that San
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Francisco's in now would say this isn't really worth it.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: And I and I get the flip side of that,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Girod saying, I'd like to have a guy like that
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: that I can rely on to put pressure on the
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: pass or get us off the field on third down
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: and get us off to a good start defensively at
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: the start of the season. But to what I you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: if he won't get on the field and practice, it's
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: to me, it's there's a lot of young guys. I know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: the Patriots have been rumored to be young the last
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: several years. They're actually young. Now. This is a young,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: pretty young football team, and I just think it's it's
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: a bad message to send. It's just like if Christian
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Gonzalez is watching this and he's saying, you know, in
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: two years when I want a new deal, I'm just gonna,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: you know, take my pads off every once in a
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: while at training camp.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see what happens. If he ends up not
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: getting a deal and being traded, then then people are
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: gonna say, Okay, I'd rather be Gotsha and get the
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: deal than Jude On and not right.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: But that's my point. If you let him do it,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: and you keep letting him do this, right, it's coming
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: to a head.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Like and I just like, at some point it's either
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: got to be Matthew Judon just signed a new deal
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: and here he comes running out throwing T shirts at football.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I keep waiting for that to happen. I keep expecting
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: it to happen. But it's different.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like it's it's close right now.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: It doesn't.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: It was just interesting because yesterday he did participate a
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: little bit and that was probably the most physical practice
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: I've ever seen in training camp. And then today it's
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: raining and like maybe he's thinking, oh if I slip
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: and tweak something, and now you know all this kind
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: of stuff. But you know, it kind of is.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: A little bit like I used the other thing.
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: Now he's just unhappy here and doesn't want.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: To be here.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: And here's the other thing, like if they if they
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: do end up signing Ayuk, it's gonna be a lot
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of money. I mean that puts Jude On in even
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: more of a tail spin because it's not about not
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: spending money. It's they don't want to spend money on me.
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah that that it doesn't strike me. As these rumors started.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Last then you have to move them.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, he practices yesterday. Granted it was it
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: wasn't full tilt, but he practices yesterday, and then these
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: rumors happen overnight that the Patriots are not just interested
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: in Brandon Nyuk but also offering him the most money
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: out of the teams that are in the sweepstakes in
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: terms of contract, and today he's am I A. And
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: it just those things feel like they're connected, like there's
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: looking he's looking at it and saying, well, you're gonna
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: give you thirty million dollars a year, but you can't
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: give me an extra five to make money.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's gotta be like if it was just
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: an extra five, I think it's a done deal. I
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: think it's he's got to be asking more than that.
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: So he said yesterday, and when he had Yeah, when
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: he said it this yesterday, I thought this was sort
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: of where his head was at. He mentioned that every
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: year somebody sets the bar for the top pass rushers
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: in the league, and we all fall in line off
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: of that is what he said, and then somebody next
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: year will break it, and the next year he wants
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: a record breaking deal.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, well I'm gonna get that.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: I didn't take it like that. I took him saying,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: I know I'm not getting that like the record setting
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: you know, the sort of the market setting deal.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: I took it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Read this without my glasses. Now come on, Grandpa, come
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: on me.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I talk.
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: That is that he wants to going right, I can't read.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: I'm going to play. I didn't say anything about practice.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: That's yeah. We uh, we have a market set by
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: the highest guy. That's not really what my that's not
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: really what my market is. He said, coming off no,
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: coming off an injury.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: No kidding.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: So like, I don't I don't think he Maybe Evan's right,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: but I don't think he's looking to set them up out.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: But I read he's looking for more than an extra
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: five million.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think record breaking.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: That's not going to get it done.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: And I would give him an extra five to seven million.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I would do that. I'd bring him up to fifteen.
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think record breaking deals.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Wasn't he wants twenty five?
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah? I think he exactly. I think he wants what
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: the going rate is for a Pro Bowl caliber pass rusher.
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: Not necessarily like what Nick Bosa god or something like that,
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: but the going rate of eighteen to twenty million dollars
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: for a guy that has his accolades and his resume
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: and just to pay, are just not going to do that,
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: it doesn't seem.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: And he probably also wants multiple years, which is also
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: a consideration.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that you could get around that
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: because yeah, you can always cut them, but you know,
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: like if you didn't want.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Them, no, But let's say he wants Let's say he's
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: willing for fifteen, he's that's thirty over two. He's gonna
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: want twenty million guaranteed at least at least.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's gonna get most of that guaranteed this year.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it all this year.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: And then you get rid of them if you don't
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: want them. That's the only direction I see a point.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: But I kind of agree with you. I think he's
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: probably looking for like two years and fifty million instead
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: of two years and thirty million, you know which. I
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: had a real hard time see him sign a multi
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: year deal now.
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just it feels like the only way
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: out of this thing if he stays here is a
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: sweetener for this year, and you give him a bump
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: and he's happy, and he said, all right, that's enough,
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna play, you know, out the string and then
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: the sweetener.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: You know, I kind of agree with you, guys. I
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: think he's probably looking for more than just like an
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: extra five or six million. He's probably looking for closer
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: to like fifteen million. Yeah, and then you have there's
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: a conversation to have.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right?
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Eight five to five Pats five hundred is the ace
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: ticket hotline. Eight five five pats five hundred. Web radio
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com is the email address. Let's get
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: to some of these emails, shall we. Kelly is in
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake, and he or she says, I'm seeing a
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: lot of pushback on X Machine about Ayuk to the
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Patriots because it only makes them a six win team.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't this trade be more of a long game trade though,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: in hopes of having most of an offense constructed for
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the next four to five years? Yes, so so much
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: short sighted commentary on him going to New England.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Do teams think of it that way?
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: No?
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: I think that that's accurate. That like, if you're making
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: this deal, it's get the one four year deal and
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: you hope that May and Ayuka your your lynch pins
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: are your offense yep? Right, years?
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, He's only twenty six years old, right, So I
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: don't know why we would be thinking about it. He's
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: not thirty, and we're thinking about this as a one
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: or two year thing. But you know, maybe I talk
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: about rose color glasses. Maybe I have rose colored glasses
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: with it. But I think this year, if you had
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: Brandon Nayuk on the team, this year, I think they
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: could be frisky. I really do. Like there's not a line,
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: there's just not a.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Whole The offensive line is good. I think they could
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: be a good offense.
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: I don't even need the offensive line to be good,
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: but I need the quarterback to be good, and I
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: need the receivers to be I need the.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Quarterback to be good. If they're not sure, the quarterback
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: is ready to be good.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: If those two things can if you need two out
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: of three, right, you need receivers, quarterback, offensive line play.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: If they even just have quarterback and receiver giving them
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: good play. I mean we say it all the time.
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: There's not a whole lot separating them from it. From
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: the seventh seed in the in the AFC, right, like the.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Browns, Brandon Ayuk in my mind, like, I don't think
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: that's enough to like separate you from fifteenth seed in
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: the AFC to seventh seed in the AFC.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: It's hard for me, is that the only being the
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: only jump of anybody, Like there's got to.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: Be a quarterback, quarterback being better than last year, right,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no, really, well, not better than last year,
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: but like, don't no, go from thirty first to like
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: twenty fifth.
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, like, what did Joe Flacco give the Browns
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: last year? They had a really good defense, and they
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: had a good system, offensively, good run game, all that
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: kind of stuff.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: It was only Joe let the world on fire, way
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: better than Jacoby Brissett's capable of playing.
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: I don't agree with that.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: On the stretch.
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: I think Jacoby Brissette played just as well as him
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: Oh and maybe in twenty twenty two, but not in
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty thirty. Flacco played played well in those games
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: down the stretch, and he still threw a lot of picks,
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: he still made a lot of plays.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I think I think we're underestimating how putrid that offense
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: was last year, and.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not it.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: It was so bad.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: And I think that if you have a capable O
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: line this year, capable quarterback play and Ayuk, I think
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: you're miles ahead of.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Where you were last year.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Offensively, I don't think you are.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: I feel similarly.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think they were so bad last year.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: I know, but everything was bad. You're saying now everything
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: is going to be good.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's right.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I think all I need is everything to be better.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that everything will be better with Ayuk.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: I think will make you a better offense. I'm not ry.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: He doesn't make it well, but it doesn't make it
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: a good offense. But I think unless the quarterback is good,
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: and I don't think you have a good quarterback on
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: the ross, the.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Quarterback plays like Mac Jones, were screwed.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: If the quarterback plays like Jacoby Brissett, you're screwed.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I think if Jakov he needs to play. If Jacoby
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Brissette was our quarterback last year, we'd have six wins,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: six seven.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Years, would have This is where I disagree with you.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: He doesn't throw that interception against the car.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: He also doesn't throw touchdowns against anybody. Look at his numbers.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: He's not doesn't make mistakes because he doesn't try to
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: make plays.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: It's true, but I I I'm telling you what we
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: saw last year was not NFL qual offense.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: It wasn't it was it was putrid. I agree. I'm
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: not arguing with you about how bad it was last year.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: It was terrible.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, That's why I feel like those last two offenses
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: like gas lit me like, I don't know anymore.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: I just don't know what to respect.
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: Like this offense has looked okay to me, like it
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: looks competent, and you know, it seems like they can
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: put some plays together. I don't know if it means anything.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: I really don't like.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I just it doesn't.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: You got to get to the games and then I'll
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: be able to be like.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Oh we're seeing now does not really mean anything.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: So you know what happens like now too, Like that
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: that practice is so you're so right, Mike, cause it's
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: so deceiving, Like they want to set the ball up,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: they want to set this sequence of plays and they
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: want to run right. Mayo has said it several times.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: The players are saying what Mayo is saying in meetings
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: about wanting to run the ball and be a physical team.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: So what we're seeing in camp more often than not
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: is a run play that gets stuffed for nothing and
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: another run play that gets stuff for nothing. So that's
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: not the like, to me, the formula for any kind
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: of thing success. Now what might happen after that? Today
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: at practice, you might get a run play for nothing,
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: then the next play is like a twelve yard hook
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: to kJ Osborne. Like in practice, like that might happen,
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: but it's different, see what I'm saying. It's different, Like
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: it's second and eleven up and you're working on what
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: you're working on. Now it comes to blitz and it
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: comes or maybe they go coverage like it changes everything,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: like it's yeah, and it goes back to what I
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: was saying of I just I have no idea under
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: normal game conditions with the play clock running and plays
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: coming in and out and the pressure of that. Concerns
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: about that I don't know what it looks like. And
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: because this is pretty much every day out of eleven
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: days where the play clock's always running down, Like I'm
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: not talking about like getting snapping the ball in the
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: last five seconds. Every team does that on a consistent basis.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: They don't look like they're ready to snap the ball
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: like often today the ball was on the ground five times.
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it just looks like the there's a difference between
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: like the plays look cleaner or consistently. I'm not saying
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: it's all the time, but there's more clean plays that
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: are going on now. But it's it's clean plays in
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: the vacuum. It's not a it's not a drive strung
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: together where they're getting the play in, they're making the call,
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: they're getting to the line of scrimmage, and they're driving
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: the football. It's more just oh, that was a nice play.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: I would say overall, they've had like longer periods where
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: they've looked decent than they did last year. But I
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: think it's pretty similar to last year. Now. If you
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: had told me last year at this time that they
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: were going to have the offense they did in the
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: regular season, I would have said, no, they're not going
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: to be that bad, because it wasn't that bad in
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: camp two years ago. In camp, it was just as
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: bad as it was last year in the regular season.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Like everything that happened two years ago, the Patricia year
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: we all saw every day in camp. I didn't think
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: it was quote unquote that bad in camp last year.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: I agree, I was wrong.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: It was right.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: I was fooling myself because I was blinded, but because
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: I liked Billy Oh when I was thinking, it's better,
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: they have a sequence. They have they have a plan,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: they know what they're doing.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: They didn't, and they should have because it was also
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: a third year quarterback. Now, even though it's a third
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: new system, you know, Mac had been in the league
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: for three years at that point.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Crassett has a good should have looked better.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: If Brissette has a like a good year, like not
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: like a good year for Brissette, like a good year
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: for an average quarterback. Like he's somewhere, you know, in
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: the middle of the pack. Let's call him somewhere between
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: thirteen and nineteen, right in there. Their offense can be
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: markedly better than it was last year, because that's good
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: quarterback play.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: He's good.
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was close to that in Cleveland.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was. I mean statistically he was
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: the games going back to this.
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: Because I thus when they lose a game thirty one
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: to thirty on a last second, I don't.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Think Cleveland Steve it's funny thirty. When Deshaun Watson wins
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: games not playing well, it's because he has a great defense.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Suddenly Brisett's losing thirty one thirty every week, not every
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: going to have I don't think you can exactly. It
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: wasn't every week, it was it might have been one
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: game that he lost like that. They were like, he's
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: consistently not a good quarterback in the NFL. Like that's
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: what the numbers say. He's consistently losing every and he's
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: had multiple opportunities like in Indy, in Cleveland, even in
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: Washington last year.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: He's not He's not a playmaker.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: No, he's a safe guy who's not gonna throw interceptions
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: and he's not going to make any plays for you.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: He holds the ball too long. Those don't kill your stats, right,
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: because he's not throwing interceptions and he's not putting the
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: ball in harm's way. He's not throwing a complete past.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: That's why this offense is.
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you that he's dynamic. My argument is simply
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: that he's just competent, and competent is better than what
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: they had.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: And I agree, competent is better than what they had.
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: And if the way he's practiced, I think has been
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: competent as well at times, and if that's going to
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: be the case that they're gonna even if he's the
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: twentieth best quarterback in the league, it's still better than
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: what they had.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: So that's not better enough.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: So here's the silver lining for this year.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Whether it's Jakobe Brissett or Drake May, the offense is
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: going to be better than last year.
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: I'm not ready.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going out on a limb.
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: I'm not ready to say.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: I am again. We're underestimating how bad it was last year.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: I think you're overestimating what they have for personnel right now.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: They don't have personnel. It's any better than that's different.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: You can't that better?
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: I got it right, It wasn't.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Didn't I say, like, the offense will be better if
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: I is here. I'm not going to say I'm stubborn,
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: but I'm not going to argue that's not going to
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: make your offense better. He's going to make it better.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, I think Pop Douglas, if he studies healthy, uh,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: second year, I think he'll be better. We've already seen
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: that in practice. How like more comfortable he is. He's
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: he looks different whenever he's out there. It's going to
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: be I don't know. How much better, But I guarantee
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: it will be better offense than last year.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: So the one thing especially had something we could quantify
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: it with, Well, you won't until I'm not going with
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: stats like I'm not telling.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: You like it's no your eye test. You'll know.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Then you're going to argue it's better, and I'm gonna
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: argue it wasn't. Oh that's useless. No, I listen, and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: neither one of us is right or wrong that they
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: win games.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Are looking I'm the guy that said I was perfectly
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: happy with Mac Jones as my quarterback. I was wrong.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to admit it. Actually I was ready to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: admit now. I was ready to admit it at the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: end of the first season.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: You know, I think Max, that could I think the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: one thing that I because we were at those Green
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: Bay Joint practices and it was I can't I always
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: forget which the day was which, but there was one
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: day where the Patriots offense won the final portion of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: the practice. And looking back on it, though, there was
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: a lot of pressure on the quarterback in those periods
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: that in games, that attrition eventually leads to Mac having
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: the yips and him falling apart but because he's in
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: a red non contact jersey and he doesn't have that
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: same fear of getting hit or the attrition of getting
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: hanging in there, you're just kind of standing in there
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: and making rows. If their offensive line play, assuming they
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: don't have Brandon Nyuk, if their offensive line play doesn't
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: look any better than it did last year, then I'm
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: still going to think that I have a new I.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Just thought of a new technology that teams can incorporate
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: where when you're in practice and the quarterback can't get
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: hit in a play where he would have been.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Hit, you can shock them.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: So there's a button that the offensive corn can hit
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: and shock them. So there is there is something. There
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: is some penalty for holding the ball too long.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: And why are you so hell bent on violence?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Because I want to get the violence conditioned to.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Story about how he wanted to get like the kickers
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: like Gastowski and Gramatica, and they were he wanted to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: put their like wives with a knife to their throat.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: And literally, I'm not I don't know. I said the
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: threat of that. I said, you go up behind them.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: And you threaten to kill. They don't want to make
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: a kill, kill their family. If you don't make this
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: feel good. I mean, let's get it. Let's go.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: It was like it wasn't little defense.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: But you get the point.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: I wish I didn't bring it up.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Let's make this up, pressurize the situation as we can.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: It's the hardest part about watching practice to me. And
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: you know, people that that charted. Some people will call
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: them sacks and like, you know, you you touched them down, sack, right,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: But in a game, you know, does the quarterback.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Shake out of it? Does he get out of the pocket?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: I say, that's one of his biggest strengths.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: Right, And how does the pressure of actually getting hit,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: How does that over the course of four quarters have
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: an impact on the quarterback? You don't know in practice.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: So that's the hardest part to me of gauging whether
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: or not it's actually looking good or not. Is you know,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: there's a lot going on in that offensive line, defensive line,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: in the trenches and.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: Thank you Ara prog old school football. Let's go practice
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: like you play.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: When like the linebacker comes in and he just taps
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: him in the button then just goes like one.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: And you know, I don't mind on the sacks when
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: they do that because like, I want the least amount
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: of contact around the quarterback. Don't get around his legs.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: I don't want.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: But it's like the quick little out to the receiver
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: and then the receiver catches it, turns up and the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: cournerback is yeah, that's tackle, you know, like the ones
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: that like Jalen Polkad, like the one that he turned
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: up yesterday in the live tackling, Like that's what you say.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Alex Austin went up and was no problem diving at
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: his feet and didn't even come close to making the tackle.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, that was the thing that Garrodd said
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: about the live tackling yesterday was that they're trying to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: evaluate the players, and he said it's one thing, you know.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: He called it.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 6: The thudding is what they usually call which is when
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: you kind of wrap and like, yeah, studding. It's like,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: you know, it's like a nice put.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: His shoulder into a guy in your kidding, Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: Like nice initial contact, but no tackling to the ground.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: And he said that, you know, that's not real football.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: So how am I supposed to come out here and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: evaluate Alex Austen and say that he's one of the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: three best corners on the team when I haven't even
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: asked the guy to tackle anybody yet, and then all
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: of a sudden we get into a game we can't tackle, right.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: The interesting point too, is uh I think it was
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: from football outsiders just pointing out how well the Patriots
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: defense tackled historically for years, you know, just things have
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: changed a little bit, and I you know, I think
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: we all would say, like, maybe this is a little
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: bit better to prepare you to tackle. I don't know,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: but that's one thing characteristic.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: I think historically the Patriots have been a good tackling team,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: but recently there were a couple of seasons where that's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: all we did was lament about how they missed.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: Tackles because it's hard to tackle in the open field
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: in the NFL. No, I'm dead stillry like they are
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: one of the better tackling teams in the league. And
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: I think that one of the reasons for that is
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: because there's so fundamentally sound. It's almost never a guy
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: on an island having to make a tackle that there's
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: always layers.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: One thing, you know, Bill drilled in and don't let
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: get guys get behind you, don't give up the big play.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Statistically they've been one of the best tackling teams.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: You're in and you're out, like in terms of rate
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: of mistackles and things like that.
• 1:05:13
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• 1:05:17
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  Speaker 7: Only Well, hello, Ranny Day.
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  Speaker 12: I think it'd be good for the players to come
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 12: out here and continue to work on their fundamentals.
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  Speaker 7: Now that the grass is slick.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 12: Obviously you probably see some people on the ground, and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 12: there'll be great teaching moments. I know, you know where
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 12: all you guys want to know. One thing I did
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 12: learn from Bill is I just I don't talk about
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 12: players on other team, so this let me go ahead
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 12: and say that now. But I remember as a player,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 12: you know, I appreciated that. I appreciated that the only
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 12: opinions that mattered were inside the walls, and so I'm
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 12: still trying to apply that now going forward.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 13: Can you confirm it all that there's you know, talks ongoing.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: Look, I'll be honest with you, that's more of an
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: Elliot question.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 12: Right now, I'm just focused on the guys out here,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 12: the New England Patriots.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: Sorry, do you.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 14: Guys, how do you feel about the odd the wide
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 14: receiver groups?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: Oh? Those guys are those guys are working hard.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 12: They're getting better every day now from Elliott in my perspective,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 12: we're always trying to get better, no matter what position
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 12: we're talking about, no matter how those those guys get here,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 12: whether it's through cuts or through trades or whatever, We're
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 12: always looking to improve our team and win.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 13: Now there is more both reports out there that the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 13: forty nine ers have negotiated a trade offer you guys
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 13: about Brandon and I you can They've allowed him to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 13: speak to you guys, So I don't think it falls.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: Into tampringer or anything.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 13: But so can you confirm that?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 12: I can't, you know, Like I said earlier, I'm just
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 12: focused on the guys in the in the room.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: So here, what say yesterday?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: Any comments on what he had to say.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: Look, Judon is doing what he has to do.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 12: He's out here every day, he's in pads, He'll be
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 12: in pads today as well.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: He's doing everything in the meeting rooms.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 12: And look, it was a hiccup, and I feel like
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 12: we're on the same page and we're moving.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 14: Forward when the player's attitude is I'm just doing what
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 14: I need to do so I don't get fined.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: Is that good for the team right now?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 12: Look, I mean every day it's its own day. Like
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 12: sometimes I come to work and I don't feel like
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 12: talking at all either. He both as a player and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 12: also as a coach, So it's day to day. And
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 12: what I will say about Judon, he always brings great
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 12: energy to the practice field, brings great energy in the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 12: locker room. And and that is the expectation that he
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 12: said early on, and I don't see it any different now.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 11: Is it your understanding of the team's approach with his negotiations?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 15: Is it all affected by other negotiations you might be
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 15: having through your conversations with other way.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 12: No, all of those conversations are independent of each other.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 12: So I guess to answer your question hopefully, hopefully.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 15: That another move before you do anything with ju dunk.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 12: Everything is its own independent move and that's how we
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 12: look at it.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: For Drake in that thirst date's opener.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 7: Uh, Drake will play.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 12: Drake will play and you know when he gets in
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 12: the game, we'll we'll talk about that, but he will
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 12: play in the game. Look, everyone who is healthy enough
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 12: to play in the game will play in the game.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 12: That's more than you've ever gotten.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: How much?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 7: Not sure? Now you're going too far.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: Vision all four quarterbacks playing.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 12: Uh So as of today, like that's the plan to
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 12: have all those guys out there playing. And once again,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 12: it goes back to competing. So yesterday, you know, you
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 12: guys saw the live tackling period and things like that
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 12: that I think is very important and you don't want
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 12: the first time these guys have to get hit or
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 12: hit someone else to be in the preseason game.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: So we got to see what these guys can do
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: with live action.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Have you talked to say a contract off of a page?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: Jud I'm not going to discuss his contract situation. Elliott.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 10: You know it's been i'd say aggressive trying to improve
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 10: this team throughout the offseason. Some things you know haven't worked,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 10: but it seems like he's doing everything and one, how
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 10: much do you like his approach into how much are
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 10: you guys on the same page with what you know
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 10: you're trying to build?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I love Elliot's approach to getting better. Once again,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 12: like on the outside, we don't have a chance, but
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 12: we're always trying to get the team better and Elliott
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 12: and his staff grow. Those guys have been doing a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 12: good job identifying pieces that will help us win.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: Now, we've been on the same page.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 12: For a long time, even before I got this role
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 12: and before he got his role. Uh, we've had a
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 12: good relationship since since then, and our philosophy is been married.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: Do you think let's go ahead?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Go ahead?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: Oh so you spe like being at the stops first?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: All right? Hear you used the word collaborative a lot
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: in the draft process. Does that apply as well to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: roll street cutdowns?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 16: When you guys reach the final fifty three the players
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 16: you want.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 12: And I would also say the assistant coaches and Elliott
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 12: and the rest of his staff also have a say. Ultimately,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 12: Elliott and I have to make a final call, but
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 12: we try to stay collaborative.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 15: In that approach, knowing you guys are always trying to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 15: get better. As you've said, is there additional urgency to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 15: try to improve the roster because you have a young quarterback.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 15: I know we're not sure when he's actually going to play,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 15: but is there urgency on the team's end to make
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 15: sure you're giving him the best environment possible.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 12: There's always a sense of urgency to get good players.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 12: And you know everyone talks about young quarterbacks and surrounding
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 12: them with good players. Look, we got we have an
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 12: older quarterback, and we want to surround him with good
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 12: players as well, and we're gonna put the best product
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 12: or the best team out there that we can.
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  Speaker 13: Yes sake, I want to say, is Jermia Farms taking
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 13: sounds of the gold back?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: Is that a plan for the season going in or
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: is that just kind of trying.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's kind of an experiment at this point in time.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 12: Remember Keon did play you know, tight end in college
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 12: as well, So it's an experiment, experiment.
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  Speaker 17: I'm trying to go back to what Mike was saying before.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 17: So you gave us a lot as far as you
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 17: know who's going to potentially play here quarterback? And when
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 17: did the players know that as well? Have you informed
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 17: them sort of what they're gonna be doing on Thursday night.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 12: Uh not at this time, so they'll read it probably
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 12: in one of your articles or something like that. But
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 12: but the expect once again, though, the expectation is that
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 12: everyone's always gonna play like. We don't want to just
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 12: sit people out and you know it kind of lose
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 12: an opportunity to go out there with live bullets fly.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: Probably not a good analogy, but that's how I think about.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 14: You want you, Kobe to start on Thursday night.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 12: That's the plan. And once again, look, I'm telling you
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 12: guys this today. I mean, it could change as the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 12: week continues to progress, but that is the plan.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 14: What were your theories on the live tackling, of course
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 14: that we saw and the practice.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that we need it, and you know, it goes
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 12: into fundamentals, like we can do all the scalloping and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 12: fitting and thudding up that you want to. It's a
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 12: lot different trying to get a man to the ground.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 12: So that was as far as our evaluation and competing,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 12: we wanted to see who could actually do that. You know,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 12: sometimes you have those guys in shorts that kind of
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 12: look great and then once it's time to put the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 12: Shouler pats on a tackle, they just kind of disappear.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 12: We're trying to kind of weed that.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 13: Out as far as roster competitions go, not just a quarterback,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 13: with all positions. How do you personally weigh practice versus preseason?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 12: Actually, yeah, there's nothing more important that we do than practice,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 12: and it's about the day after day after day trending in.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: The right direction.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 12: So look the preseason game where they play a series
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 12: a quarter and a half like, those are important as well,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 12: But remember that's just straight like, it's not really scheme
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 12: like when we're out here on the football field and sorry,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 12: the practice field, it's a little bit more scheme, a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 12: little bit more thinking. So I think practice is the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 12: most important at this time.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: A player you do have in your roster. Kendrick Form
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: is primarily featured in some of these.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 15: Reports where players are involved in trade talk to rumors.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Have you spoken to him or do you feel compelled
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: to speak to him about him?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, honestly, I did talk to him this
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 12: morning and it was a good conversation. And once again,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 12: I feel like the story is so much further along
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 12: than anything else.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: I just wanted to make sure we cleared the air.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 12: And I do believe in being transparent with the players
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 12: and really just setting those guys at.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: Ease the outside, agnostigated of what they see or whatever.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 7: As far as you guys concerned players all the way through.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: You know, whether you acquire better players or what have you,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: how good do you think this team can be right
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: from the get go, especially if you acquire more talent.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, look, I don't have a crystal ball.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 12: We'll wait and see, but what I will say is
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 12: we'll be better as the season goes on. I don't
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 12: know if the first game we go out there and
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 12: get beat or beat whoever we're playing. I think teams
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 12: are still trying to figure out the identity because now
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 12: we only have three preseason games as well, so you know,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 12: we'll see what happens to You.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 16: Guys would have the season ticket holder practice in the
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 16: stadium before the first preseason game, and Bill would always
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 16: use that, he said, as kind of a practice run
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 16: for not only the players, but the coaching staff.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: You guys won't get in there for the season.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 16: Ticket holder practice before Thursday, but have you had ample
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 16: time in the stadium to go through that?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: How do you feel about just the logistics of your.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 12: Staff's a great question. We have gone through that, and
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 12: tomorrow we'll go through it as well. We'll get the
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 12: coaches up in the box and we'll just have a
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 12: mock game substitutions all.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: Those things over.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 12: It's a real it's a test for us, but also
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 12: you know, it's something that we can probably improve and
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 12: we'll see how it plays out tomorrow.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: Sorry, you've personally.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 14: Been the head coach here for six months. Now Thursday
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 14: night get to see your team in the full uniform.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 14: You get to put on the headset. What's it like
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 14: for you.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 7: I'm excited.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 12: I'm excited to be on the sideline and honestly I'm
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 12: excited for the players to go out there and perform.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 7: Well, so that's the main thing. All right, Thanks guys, appreciate.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: And now great moments in history go to the A
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: ticket outline. Rogers in Foxborough.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 7: Hey Roger, Hey, guys.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: First of all, I think you need to let Megan
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: talk more. You guys bickering in the background. She's the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: best you have on that shoulder.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 8: Okay, well listen another sun, My god, it's gonna be bigger.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: Dundee there's no muzzle on Megan. She can talk anytime
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: she wants.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: So I heard that dontrell and is retiring. Does that
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: mean we have a chance for Dannyetlink to be a littit.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 18: Receiver on this team.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know about the retiring thing. But Dontrell
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: Iman looks lost in the first three days in practice.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: Second right, he didn't he was late to camp and
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: now he's not out here.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: It feels like a guy contrel Imine wasn't late. He
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: was not late to camp.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 11: No, there were reports that he was not going to
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 11: show up on time, and then he did.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: But he was, he was, he was, but he was here. Yeah,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: your mouth, lady, Wow, you can continue to make stuff up.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: But he's been the first guy on the field the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: first three days and then you can call him late
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: if you want. But that's okay. Then you can come
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: without information and just be as smart.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: All right, you're right, thanks, Roger.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, You're right, Roger, Roger bringing it.
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  Speaker 4: I was legit annoyed you were you were? I was
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: legit annoyed that was not an act. I was annoyed.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: It's almost like he knew how to push your button.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: But you know what, when you were annoyed, like we
• 1:16:52
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• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: When you're annoyed, Paul, you know what's a good thing
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  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe you could have done some of that polls.
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  Speaker 5: Then again, your kid a sectional you found on the
• 1:17:41
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• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: We didn't find someone living in the same apartment complex
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: that Will is living in now was giving one away
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: at the end of the school year. So I said,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: let's take it. Yeah, absolutely, I feel like you got
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: to have a section.
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  Speaker 5: But it wasn't outside that was mine. We actually did
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: find our. It was like the color of the green
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: monster sectional that got us through college. And I think
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: that's just something you got to have in college, a
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  Speaker 5: crappy old sectional.
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  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure they don't like when you critique the
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  Speaker 4: copy when you're reading on behalf of the sponsor.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Well, we all love Bob's furniture, but whoever's writing their
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  Speaker 2: copy obviously doesn't read it.
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  Speaker 6: right fact.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Well maybe Fred could read it out loud before
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: he reads it on the air.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: Listen practice in the mirror called show Prepa.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 6: The bulls no, because I got to do it on
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: Catch twenty two and and then I stumble all over
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: the words too.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that hard. Mike will show them. We'll show
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: him Thursday.
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  Speaker 6: We happen to ride Let's ride no inactives on Thursday.
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  Speaker 6: So if you if you meet your boy, then you
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  Speaker 4: If I'm sitting here alone.
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  Speaker 3: in la what's up question?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 9: Hey you guys, good day, see you, Good to hear
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 9: from you, and good to talk to you guys. So
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 9: I've been flip flopping back and forth on my expected
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 9: or desire win total, and it's partially because the last
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 9: few practices, and I know there was a couple where
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 9: there was a couple of guys who got behind people
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: got open. But for the most part, I'm just saying
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 9: everybody is contest to catch it over and over again,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 9: and that kind of has me worried that the like
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 9: you guys said earlier, the skill level just hasn't risen
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 9: enough for us to really even though it may look
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 9: better and more contain a little sharper than last year,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 9: it isn't seeming like it's going to produce any more wins.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 9: That's one thing. And then secondly, what do you guys
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 9: think is sort of holding Drake May back? Meaning during
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 9: the draft it was sort of known that each of
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 9: the three quarterbacks could go. You know, May could have
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 9: gone first, Daniels could have gone first, and Kaylee could
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 9: have gone first, and so their skill set was comparable
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 9: for the most part. But what do you guys feel
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 9: is not clicking for Drake that he's not making those
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: things for the leafs that Daniels and Kayles seem to
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 9: already be showing with their.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what those guys here.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I I look, I wouldn't characterize it
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: that it's contested catch after contest, like there certainly are
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: contested catches, but there are some open plays too. There's
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: not a lot of consistent plays across the board contested
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: or not contested. But I don't think that that's really
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: inaccurate that like nobody gets over like That's what I think.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: What I've liked about some of the plays the offense
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: have made is that they look in time, there's a
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: receiver coming into the window, he catches the ball in
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: the window, and he's off.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: So a lot of these contested catches or does not
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: their back shoulder catches down the sideline, Yeah, those are
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: meant to be contested.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: There's not a ton of down the field open like
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: deep down the field. I'm not talking about ten yards,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: fifteen yards, forty yards like down the field. We don't
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: have a Tyreek kill in camp who's running by the
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: entire defense and is waltzing into the end zone like
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: he did today on like a sixty yard bomb from
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: Tua from one of the videos I saw. But I
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: also just say that with the other reports, those teams
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: have made it abundantly clear that those guys are starting
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: week one no matter what. You know, they are not
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: going into it with like a Jacoby Rossett who might
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: be a bridge quarterback and might do it that way.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: So they're getting ready for the season, Yeah, with their
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: starting quarterback, right.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: I don't think that there's necessarily no competition. No, there's
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: no competition and they're not running with the twos and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: they're not you know, there's not I don't think it's
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: reported on the same when those things are happening, If
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: that makes sense, they are the starters week one, right,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: I mean they come out with depth charts, some of
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: these teams do, and it's QB one Caleb Williams, QB one,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: Jayden Daniels, Like there's no arguments there.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: And I mean that's would you say that's an advantage
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: for guys like Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels where Drake
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: May is that a disadvantage because he doesn't get that
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: status and those.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: Reps depends on your take. On developing quarterbacks, which we've
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: talked about in the past, of you know, do you
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: want to take the packer away and be more methodical
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: or to out.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: There Even if you think Jacoby Brissett's going to start
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: at week one, he's a veteran quarterback, he's been in.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: The league a long time.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe you give some practices to Drake May knowing that
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: Jacoby doesn't need it as much as Drake.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: We could see that next week.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: So, I hope even the week after because I know
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: that you know, the public portion of practice is going
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: to end. But my guess is will we'll still be
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: out there practice between preseason two and three, those two games,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: and we might see some of that. I mean, I
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: think it depends. I think the pressure that comes with Okay,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams, you're starting opening We drafted you. And by
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: the way, I would say, there was no real no
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: one was saying it could be May, Wills and Daniels
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: or Daniels. It was Williams one, Williams was one, two
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: and three. There was a there was a debate about
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: Daniels and in May, I would say that you know
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: what's different May is the youngest of those three six
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: years and with Daniels specifically, I mean six years of college,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: so there's a lot more experience for Jade and Daniels,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: he kind of should be at a level in terms
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: of reading defenses and whatnot. Further along now, Williams is
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: closer in age. I mean, you started at Oklahoma, played
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: two years at USC, so even he has more experience
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: in college than May did. So I think that's one
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: reason why that you might see them a little further along.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: But I think Evan's point is probably the most accurate.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: They're they're the guy, and they're they're getting all the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: first team reps and they're going.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: And I think the other point, like I mean, getting
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: to the heart of that question is just that what
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: you said earlier, Evan was I think what d Drake
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: needs to continue to prove on most it's just playing
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: within structure, playing within the system, understanding how NFL foot
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: and you know, not just being able to, you know,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: whenever he needs to go off script, which is easy
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: and based on its.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: Experience, and I think there's nothing that's going to replace that.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: He needs experience.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: Hey, you got to do it. Uh, Anthony and Hampton Virginia.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: I hear a lot of people complain about preseason games
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: and how pointless they are. While they are maybe not
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: essential for veteran starters, I think everyone else involved benefits.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Preseason games acts like a dress rehearsal for everyone, from
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: stadium security, refs, broadcast teams, reporters, concessions, et cetera. This
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: helps Week one be a better product. It seems to
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: also be one of the best the last ways to
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: buy NFL tickets cheap in advance. I know they will
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: most likely go down to two preseason games with an
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: eighteen game schedule, and hope they don't try to get
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: rid of them completely.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, I have to get my reps to get
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: ready for weeks, But how could you write otherwise? Observation
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: is going to be a I.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: Mean, I'm not going to take him literally. I mean,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: first of all, the broadcast teams are not the same
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: preseason as they are in the regular season. But semantics,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: there's a handful of guys that might around and I'm
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: talking around the league, not on each team, that might
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: flash with two or three good preseason games and earned
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: a rash spot. I think that for the most part,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: coaches know who's going to make a team. I think
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: if you asked Jarrodmeyo right now, he'd probably have fifty
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: out of fifty three guys in his mind locked. Yeah,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: and you know a couple might sway him a little bit.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: You know, injuries are going to happen, things are going
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: to happen.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: But I kind of feel like Gunner Osseewski was one
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: of those guys kind of made the team right at
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: the end there playing some cornerback and stuff.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm trying to think of other guys that
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: you don't really see anything from really in practice, and
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: then he's found a way to make the team with
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: a couple good The one the one spot I always
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: feel like is running back because you can't, well, other
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: than yesterday, you're not normally tackling to the ground. You
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: can't really judge like yards after contact because guys aren't
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: really going all out to try to get them on
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: the ground. So I feel like at running back, Plus,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: it's not like Rimondre Stevenson is gonna get a high
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: volume of carries in the preseason, So a guy like
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: Drel Jennings, we've all seen a little something something out
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: of he might have a game where he's got twenty
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: twenty five carries and you might actually get to see
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: what he's made of a little bit. Sometimes I feel like, though,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: you see those guys and they look great and you're
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: excited about them, and then they just get cut like anyweah,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: you know, like even then sometimes it's like you look.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: At the guy who leads the preseason web in rushing,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: and then those guys never make.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: The yeah, yeah, the other thing I kill.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: What's the guy Thomas the huge arms from San Francisco, CTE.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: It'll come to me, Big Arms, Carol, Thomas Carroll. No,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: We don't even get the luxury either of watching the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: film back of practice so offensive and defensive line play.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: It's nice to actually see it and be able to
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: watch it back and see exactly what does Caden Wallace
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: actually look like? What does later because just why it live?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: You're like, oh, that seemed like a pretty good block
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: from Caden Wallace, but you don't actually get to see it.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Matt Wright saying I had a quick question about what
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Evan is saying about may If may believes that if yeah, oh,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: if Mayo believes that defense is going to go too
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: high against him. Isn't that all the more reason to
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: put him in quicker? The Patriots are often really really struggling,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: struggling against one of against those one high looks. Since
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: it allows defenses to disguise and blitz, if may can
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: contribute to creating more too high defenses, that would be
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: a huge improvement to the O.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you would hope. So I think that
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: that's probably three or four steps from now when we
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: start talking about how teams are going to defend him
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 6: and things like that. But the point I'm more making
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 6: about that is that it's forcing him to make the
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 6: throws that he doesn't necessarily make. It a high level good.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: You know, we know that he can throw the deep ball,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: we know he can throw the seams. We know he
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 6: can make those types of throws when you play at
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: middle of field open and you're not going to throw
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 6: routes into those areas in the field as frequently. So
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: now he's got to work the underneath the zone. He's
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: got to work the honey hole, he's got to work
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: you know, the short stuff underneath over the middle. Those
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: are the things that at UNC he had some issues
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: throwing those balls every once in a while. So now
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 6: you force him to work on those weaknesses in practice.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 6: If they just went out there and let him just
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: survive off instinct and run around and make plays, he'd
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 6: look flashier, he'd look probably better to a lot of people.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: But would he actually be learning anything, Like would it
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: actually be gaining any sort of you know, positive reps
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: out of those I don't think so, because we already
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: know he can do those types of things.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: Because you need your foundation. You need your foundation, and
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: it can't be running around. That's not a good foundation.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: It's that can be your superpower, but that can't be
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: your foundation.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Let's see, Aaron wrights In has draw named the preseason starter,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: yet also is the fullback position going to be a
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: bigger part of the offense this year?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: No to the second one and yes to the first one.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: Well, my guess is that it's going to be Brissett, he.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: Said in the press conference this morning.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: But I think too, there's there's probably quite a number
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: of players that aren't going to play that you know,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: might be a little bit off of people like that,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: like o Ja is clearly dealing.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: With something like isn't practiced.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: There's gonna be guys like that who you know, aren't
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: really being trumpeted as being injured. Like Kayden Wallace got
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: kind of banged up, he might not go. You know,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: there's there's gonna be a significant number of guys that
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: that don't play because.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: That's something might have happened to him today. But like
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: in terms like Thornton has been limited in recent day.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: You know, Chookes has been out, you know, the last
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: couple of days. Like I wouldn't expect to see these guys.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't expect to see Andrews and.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Dredd said that anybody who's healthy will play.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, and so there's a list of growing Marcus
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: Jones is probably not going to be out there Thursday, right,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you have a hangnail and you're a veteran,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: you're not playing correctly.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just realistic. It might go into that
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: game of four tackles.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know it's not that crazy, but for
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: a preseason game, I mean, it's you know that those
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: all those guys are gonna have to play a lot,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: and know what you're talking about.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Starters Tyler and South Carolina Wrights in what is more
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: valuable to the offense we are running wide receiver or
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: running back. You all said this offseason that this offense
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: is built around the run. So what a star running
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: back with one or two solid backups be better than
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: a group of decent wide receivers? Or would you rather
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: have a better wide receiver group. I know we obviously
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: want both, but if you were to start from the
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: ground up, would you start with running back or wide receiver?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: Room receiver wide receiver?
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: The only reason to run the ball is so that
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: you can pass the ball.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: You plus, I think Mermander Stevenson is good enough to
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: be a running back that if you want to run.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's not Nick Chubb, but if you want
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: to run the ball and.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: List they have said we want to be a running team,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: that's fine, But I think they also realize in order
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: to win, you've got to be a good passing team.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: You know, they're not going to win a Super Bowl
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: just being a good running team.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: I would also say that that's don't get too caught
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 6: up in them saying they want to be a run
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: first team because they want to run to pass, so
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 6: they're running to marry it. Up with the play action
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: passing game so that they can throw the ball down
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 6: the field off play action. And this I keep saying it,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 6: but this offense is not designed to dink and dunk
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: off play action. This is an offense that's designed to
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: push the ball down the field off play action. So
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 6: they're going to take shots like they're going to be
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: aggressive and they're going to take shots.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Let's see Dorian right Sin from Maryland. He says, I
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: disagree with some of the opinions on the importance of preseason.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: I would actually like to keep these games around because
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: even though it doesn't give you an idea of how
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: good your football team is, it allows these guys fighting
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: for their professional careers a lot of film to continue
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: their dreams of being professional football players.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: It's also a.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Cheaper game for fans to attend and sit relatively close
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: that can't afford regular season games. I think they should
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: stay around at least two games. Some people get injured
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: during the season because they haven't allowed their bodies to
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: adjust to hitting by not playing in preseason and having
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: limited live practices and pads. Also trade jude On and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: Juju keep.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: Born for Ayuk keep Born for Ayuk. I don't know
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: what that means.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: Well, we should mention that report for Mantrew Callahan, that
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 6: Andrews is saying or reporting that Kendrick Borne is going
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 6: to be in the trade package for Brandon Ayuk If
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 6: that is in fact?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: Is that weird that you come back from that one like, hey,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: we're gonna, you know, if we trade it, if you can,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: if you chooses here, you're going, hey, he didn't choose here.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: You're staying we're psyched to have you back.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 7: I mean, is that.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I agree, No, it is.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: It's tough, but it's it's football is also a business,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: and it's tough time, maybe more in other sports than football,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: since it's not a lot of player for players, you
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: can also couch it and say you're the only guy
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: that San Francisco wanted, so you you kind of pump
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: them up in that discussion too.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: You know, you got to be transparent. It's better than
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: you know, trying to do it under the.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: Would Yeah, I have to ask Jalen Brown, he knows
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 6: all about it.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Uh eight five five pass five hundred is ACE ticket
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: outline Daniels and Sacramento.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: It's upt Daniel, Hey.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 9: How you doing.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 18: Okay, huge fan of the show and guys, just just
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 18: started watching this off season. Actually just found it randomly
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 18: on my YouTube and just been loving the show. So
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 18: my question is is, uh, it's a really random player
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 18: on the team. I know we drafted Jaheem Bell. I
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 18: was just I've been, you know, watching, and I haven't
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 18: really heard much about jahem Bell during camp. So I
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 18: just wanted to, you know, get get your guys to senior,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 18: not back, and take it off there.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: You picked the right day to call in because it
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: was the first day you spent been visible. I did
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: nothing for four or five days. Then he got hurt,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: missed four or five days, and today he made a
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: catch in the end zone for a touchdown. I think
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: we think he got it. I think he was inbound
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: pretty in seven seven and that's kind of it. Which
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: but he has not done point anything but Austin.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: Hooper's round pick.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, never, Henry have been pretty good. But yeah, I
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: mean you're kind of hoping. I mean, I know we
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: you know, not to blow up a seventh round pick,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: but I think he has some traits and you know,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: anytime in offense is just desperate for guys who can
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: move the needle offensively.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: You're you're hoping this late round pick that you know
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: that I've seen a little bit from is Dial myself
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: to Dial. Now, I'm not necessarily saying he's going to
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: be part of the secondary, you know, a regular contributor.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: But he's really competitive in coverage. He's got some size
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: to him, some physicality. I don't know right spot today,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: would seem to have traits that would allow him to
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: play special teams.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: He just looks competitive to me right now. That whole
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: cornerback group looks like a big thing of mush. I mean,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: I just don't know.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: Between Alex Austin and Marco will Sinning, Isaiah Bolden and him,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just, you know, there's.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna put my hand in the air and saying
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: I've been very disappointed in Alex Austin in this camp.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: That's fair. Yeah, he's been probably one of the more
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: disappointing players because he was good in the spring, and
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: the pads came on in camp and well didn't.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: He start out okay in training camp Alex Austen and
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: then now he's kind of tapered off.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: He had a really good spring, yeah, and it hasn't
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: been as good in camp, and he's been not getting
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: beat deep a lot too, you know, like over the top, which.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: Is gives up a lot of catches.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I never want to see that.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Audrey new Hampshire writes in earlier today, I was
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: listening to Zoe and Beatle live from training camp at
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: one Yeah, at one point they were very excited and
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: pumped up about some of Drake Maye's throws, particularly to Booty.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: They felt that he's being held back.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: By the coaches, and they mentioned the crowd was chanting
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: start may was today that good.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear the crowd, but I.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: Did not hear rest. I did not hear the crowd.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: That was a good throw to Booty.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: Yea, yeah, he made. He made back to back throws
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: and seven on seven to Booty and the Jean Bell
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: that were really pretty throws that I did look over
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: at them because they were hooting and hollering over at
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 6: the ninety eight five station, and they were pretty pumped
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: up about the throws. But I thought, up until the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 6: two minute drills or one minute whatever you want to
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: call it, hurry up sequence at the end made did
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 6: have a nice day today, and then the wheels kind
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: of came off in the hurry up.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: But I would agree I thought there was some good
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: There was some good stuff before that.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: I also am at the time of camp and at
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: the time of year where I have no more time
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: for seven on seven. Like, I know, the guy can
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: throw the ball when there's no pass rush. He's six
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 6: foot four, two twenty with a great arm. Like you
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 6: can obviously throw the ball in seven on seven's, but
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: we don't, you know, they don't play seven on seven.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: So not yet at least.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Uh another call eight five five pats five hundred were
• 1:36:59
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• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: Hello Sacramento.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: You're on No No, Leon, Okay, we also have Melon
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  Speaker 4: sack Town right drop Leon.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: You can call back if you want.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: We have an unfortunate Brandon Nyuk update. Oh no, he
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 6: hasn't been traded. Don't don't worry. But apparently the Steelers
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: re engaged today with the forty nine ers, just as planned.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: With Brandon Ayuk. Their talks had previously stalled. According to Schefter,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: we already talked about this and now they've re engaged
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 6: with the Steelers.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is more of official.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: I thought that someone someone had reported that it's three teams, right, yeah,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: including the Steelings.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 6: But I don't like the fact that they're now re engaged.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: Well to the point at the top of the show
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: is that this information being put out to be like,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: if anyone else wants to re engage, now's your last chance.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: On the Steelers just engaged for the first time.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: It seems like Brandon Nyuk in his list, if he
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: has a list, the Steelers are closer to the top
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: than the Patriots are. And then my guess is that
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: Brandon Nyuk's camp said, Hey, Pittsburgh, why don't you get
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: back involved in this now? And now they're back involved.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 6: Trade off, trade.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Off, Elliott, you got it. You gotta step up here,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Come on, come on, a little more money.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Boston's better than Pittsburgh, Boston's better than Cleveland.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: What is Foxboro fit in? Matt higher archy matter.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna live in Foxborough?
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: Non play in Patriots. You think live in Boston a lot? Really?
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the veterans do Boston. Yeah, I think the
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: seaport don't they all live down in the seaport.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: Now, no, maybe the smart players, young guys get a
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: local place. So you're not gonna be said, once she
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: got established a little.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: Bit, they live in town. I mean, you don't have
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: to say who and where.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: I think some of the veteran guys, as Fred said,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: more of those guys do, like a lot of the
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 6: younger players.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: The veterans live in like the suburbs around him I'm
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: talking about. I didn't want to say the specific towns.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: Why not, because that's not fair.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm talking more about like the young the veterans,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 6: but not necessarily the family man, like we're not talking
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: about David Andrews has multiple kids and a wife and
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff. Where you know, talking about
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: sprawling man.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: Quincy used to be a place.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: That's where Brady lived for a little while.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: Quincy.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: He lived in.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: Marina Harbor, which is Quinsy.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: It's not that big like kind of hotel resort thing
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: like out near the water.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's by the water, this restaurant shops.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I thought a lot of him and lawyer
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: lived there.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: But I know Brady Brady ended up moving to Back
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Bay and then Chestnut Hill, Well, Beacon Hill.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: Well, no, he you lived in the back bay. It
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: was on Beacon Hill.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: I thought it was on he was on comm Ab
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: at one time, because that's where he was when he
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: got in the accident.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right off Stero.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: He probably had multiple places. What do you have for dinner? Yeah?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: And then he then he moved to Chestnut Hill.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: But I thought the seaport like more and more as
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: might be right, and you know, more and more athletes
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: like the Bruins.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 6: Well, certainly the Bruins and the Celtics live and they
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: live there.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: That's where they play.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: But they practiced in wallfam.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's who cares. And actually they practiced in town.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: You know, they practice in Brighton.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: Now the Celtics they moved out of uh.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Now they have the ur back centers right next
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: to Warrior, which are both in Brighton, right off the
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 6: mass Pike.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, they were all at the new Balance Center.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: Right next to r right there. Oh Mike, okay, Mike's
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: a Reebok guy.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: Right, Hello everyone, Hello.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Marine Claire's writing in uh okay, some very much with
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Paul scrap preseason and Deuce has me questioning if the
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: Patriots should even trade for Ayuk.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: What did I do, Mike, You need to need to
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: be more positive.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: No, I would like I would like it. I mean,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: I'm pulling the same pages you guys. I don't want
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: to give up one, but I.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: Would like it if we don't have to give them any.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to help the one.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 7: I didn't.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to give him anything. I would give
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: him a two and a three and a player sure
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: whether it's born or Judean born in about two and
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: a three.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: And then they're like, hey, guys, we got no Day
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: two picks.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: This year, we got no show.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 6: That's true.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: I didn't even think of that.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: It just it means nothing in terms of wins and losses.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: But if this trade goes down in the next couple
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 6: of days and then the next next week, you get
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: out practice and you joint practice against the Eagles. And
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 6: now Brandon Nyuk is a Patriot.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: Talking to a j Brown like wearing shorts. It makes
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: the ramp up period. My guess is a thing. It's
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: in San Francisco yet, right, and he pulls his hamstring
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: like the second day?
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: Why why this is what she's talking to?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: That's why Claire doesn't like you, but we haven't had
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: that in a while. She's not going to have you
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: in the podcast anymore, and I'm a little disassoing.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: So if you're the Patriots and.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: You really want AYUK, where would you be more willing
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: to go up money or what you're giving?
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: Uh, the forty nine ers?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, it depends on what I need the forty
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: nine ers, okay with the trade because they according to
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: the reports, the framework of a trade has been No.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: I know, but now they're getting other offers from other teams,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: so maybe now so.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: I'll go up whatever I need to go up. That's
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: what like does does you want more money?
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 18: No?
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: But that's in order to Yeah, that's all I mean,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: that's all I know. Who's unhappy?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, But let's just say the forty nine ers are
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: getting better deals from other teams, right.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: Would you be willing to put I wouldn't be willing
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: to go up to the first round pick because I'm
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: not like you guys. I don't think that makes us
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: a playoff contender. I didn't say you're still a top
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: ten you said a playoff team.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 6: That's not a contender. Two different things.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: A playoff contender.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: Is there any player other than a quarterback that would
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: make this team a playoff team?
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: No, unless you're gonna like, you have the c J.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: Stroud thing plays and he's like, that makes you a
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: playoff contend, Well, that's a lot.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: There's a much higher chance of that happening if you're
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 6: throwing to Brandon Ayuk instead of kJ Osborne in Week one.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: That's my point is like, it makes everybody's jobs here.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 6: That's true. I shouldn't have said that it makes it.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: It makes everybody's job easier, including the quarterbacks.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: Agreed. I just think that there's there's a lot of
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: really good players in the league that don't make that
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: kind of a difference. I know, but I don't think
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: Brandon is justin John.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: But I think I think eventually you're gonna have to
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: use that first round pick, either on draft day or
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: in a trade. And if in a trade you get
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: a first round player, what's the diff.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: So now you want to give the first round.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: Pick like, I wouldn't rule it out, Okay.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: I mean I would because I think it's going to
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: be a top five pick.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: The only reason that the only reason I'm hesitant about
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: giving up the first round pick is because it goes
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: with a boatload of money.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: If you guys are right, and it makes you like
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: a playoff contender, I can win nine games, ten games.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: I'd give up the first round pick if if I
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: know I was gonna win eight or nine games, because
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: I don't mind giving up a pick in the like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: the mid teams.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: Let's say the Patriots have a bad year this year.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: You know they're five wins, six wins, whatever, They're gonna
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: have that first round pick next year.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: Is that player other than a quarterback going to make
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: you a playoff team. No, that's what I'm saying, is
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: a first round talent.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: So that's not going to make you a playoff team either.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: It's mean according to you because the first round pick
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: is not going.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: To do it right, But I'm throwing it back at you.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: Either one is the same.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: So I'm saying, if we can, if we have a
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: chance to add first round talent on this team, let's
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: do it what we we we go show in and
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: show out saying that we don't have any stars in
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: this team, we don't.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: Have any top end talent. To get top end proven
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: top DOWND talent, not somebody you hope becomes top end talent.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: You know you will convince yourself that's fine. Said, this
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: guy is Tom. I'm for acquiring Brandon Nayuk.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 7: I am.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: I would if I were the Patriots. I don't subscribe
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: to this. They're not ready for him yet. I don't
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: think that that's relevant at all. Get good players in
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: your team. I just think you have to think about.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: You think you can get somebody better in the draft.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: I think I can get a better player than Brandon
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: and Ayuk in the top five. Yes, I should. I
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: shouldn't aspire to that.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: Who also, when he's unhappy with his contract in two years,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: isn't going to pull this crap again?
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: Correct? Yeah, I should aspire to a better player than that.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 6: That is putting a lot of stock in Luther Burden
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 6: that I am not willing to put it.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily saying it has to be a wide receiver.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying this, should you should be able to
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: get a better player than that.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 6: I hear you, if you have it, yeah, I mean may.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 6: I'm not touching twenty twenty five's first round pick now.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: Fred just giving them away will he nill right, I'm
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: not touching. You'll get a first round pick.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: You'll get it.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 6: But if they want something else, I'd probably want to
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: take it from twenty six, Like, well, okay, maybe we'll
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: give you another Day two pick in twenty six.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 7: I do that.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: I'm not giving you a first round pick in twenty
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 6: five or twenty six.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: I'd give you twenty six because I would have faith
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: in my program that I will not be picking in
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: the top ten two years from now.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: Because that's three years in a row, and then we're
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: in trouble.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, correct, then probably someone else.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I think one. I think here
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: we're underestimating the crapshoot that is the draft. And you
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: know how hard it is, like even if you have
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: a top five pick to really always get the value
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: of that top five pick.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: Of course, I agree with you, especially when you're not
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: in the quarterback mark, of.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: Course, but you should you should want I mean, you
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: shouldn't go in, say, but here's a guy I don't
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: think I wolve should be saying it's a crap I.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: Mean, how how how far away is Ayuk from being
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: worthy of a top five pick in the NFL draft.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, I personally think a good distance.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: I think, really, I don't think he's that.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: I think I think he's a good player. I don't
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: think he's a great player.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 6: I just don't think it works now, Like teams don't
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: look at it that way to me in this league
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 6: because of the it's not just the pick that's it.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 6: It's also the money investment that's attached to it too
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 6: fair enough, and I think the combination of those two
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: things that's why there's no precedence.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: At the beginning. That's what makes it tough for me.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like if I
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: love the guy and there's other deals that I need
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: to top, and that's.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: Going to make it happen.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: Like it gets back to our argument from I might
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: do that, I might do it. I remember we all
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: talked a couple of weeks ago. Would you rather have
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison, Roma Dunze or Elite Neighbors lighting up Giants
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: or Brandon Ayuk? Right now today, who would you rather
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: have any of those three or Brandon Ayuk?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: I'd rather have Marvin Harrison, So only one of those three,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: only one.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: I'd rather have any of those three because I think
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: they have better players than him, But you don't know that.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: I don't, but I have to. I have to do
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: something to.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 6: Evaluate the player I know, but you know is a
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 6: good player.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 9: I do.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: I think the other three can be better than good
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: could be. That's a big word. And they're rookies. They're
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: not twenty five already.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: How much better will they be than Ayuk.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: I think that they can all significantly be better. I
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: think Neighbors could blow them out of the water. I
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: think Neighbors has the ability to be way better than
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: even Marvin Harrison.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: Neighbors is silly.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: I love them. Paul's arguing from my side of the
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: street because I'm like, you go, Paul.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: Well, he's arguing something that right now can be proved.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: But but but I'm willing to take that rid one
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: thousand percent one thousand percent. And that's what makes it fun,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: I know, because we can all have a different opinion
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: and no one's right.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: I just see something that we haven't had in a while.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think you're wrong, you know, for one together,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: I know who he is.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: Like, it's you know, I think I want them.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: I want to nothing.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: It's a sure thing.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: But this is as close to a sure thing as
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: you can get in getting a wide receiver one like
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: I'm going crazy.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 6: Chefter is treating a lot of Steelers propaganda right now,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: Brandon Ayuk to the Steelers, which like usually when he
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 6: starts dropping.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: In the ground, I'm hearing, I'm hearing.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: Who's saying this, Tomas Yeah? So he he uh.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: He followed up his tweets saying the Steelers are back
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: in with noting that last year when Pittsburgh played San Francisco,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 6: Brandon Nyuk had a huge game against the Steelers and
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: so now you know from the Steelers side of things,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: they're like, we really throw George.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: Pickens in And what hurts is that a Yuk wants
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: to go there?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: Sounds like it.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: So, Russell Wilson, what can we do?
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: More and more?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: Like justin field? See what happened, Russell Wilson, I'd rather so.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: I hurt pushing a sled.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if any of Brandon Ayuk's people are
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: watching or have feelers out there, But if any of
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: your people are watching this show, Brandon, you could be
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: sitting in one of these seats as a guest.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: You could be if you don't like it, we actually
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: have a desk, so we could have a regular show
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 4: if you like it better than Yeah.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 17: They're saying that Christian McCaffrey strange his calf at practice today,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 17: But he does that every missing the whole.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: Preseason, missing the whole preseason, It says preseason. I don't know,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: whole Yeah, miss exaggerating a little. Yeah, I mean, I
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: don't think you'll play in any of the preseason games.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: It's amazing how he doesn't play in preseason games and
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: yet still is the best running back. They have to
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: tell him whre to line up for the national an.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 6: You could be on this show.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: A good subtle does not have this show, Cleveland does.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: This is a good shot at Fred. That just went
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: right over everybody.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: I'm busy talking to you, got more important business and
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: listening to your nonsense.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just expect the front of some songs sometime,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: probably your kind of music event sometimes where there's like
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 5: a fake phone call takes place like that.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it needs it, like the top, like blame
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: by Kanye.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: There's more different things than we do that will never
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: stop making me laugh. And one of them is always
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: when Fred addresses it breaks the fourth wall and has
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: an address for Brandon's my camera. If you want to
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: be in one of these comfortable seats, you can do around.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: Just look around in the atmosphere the wall.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: Would you imagine though, if he came here and he
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: was like, I listen to your guys show, I really
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 6: saw me.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: It was that Fred was so passionate that one guy
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: that wasn't sure that I was that good, I would
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: to prove him wrong. Right, I am a top.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: I am a top. You go, Chase bro. Don't underestimate
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: the reach of patriots unfiltered. You never know. You never know.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: We always say that no matter what the topic, we
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: have somebody out there listening who's an expert. Well, I'm
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: sure that there's somebody that's watching, listen thing that has
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: some connection to Brandon Ayuk's camp.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: It's a brand San Francisco.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: As soon as this shows over in Atlanta, almost Brandon
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: from San Francisco.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: You there brand?
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, little departure here. Todd and Garner, North Carolina, please
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: rank the Blow media with respect to the the optimism
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: shown by their coverage. So it's us p U ninety
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: eight point five Uh, what's the question. Patriots Press Pass
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: and clinics.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 6: Patriots Press Pass and clinics are the same thing, are
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 6: they that?
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that's. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what Patriots Press pass is. I'm sorry, I
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  Speaker 4: don't mean that to be disrespectfully. I mean, fifty six
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  Speaker 4: years old, I don't know what that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Patriot Press passes this Patriots YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so the same. I don't know the same. Because
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  Speaker 3: now this brand okay.
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  Speaker 4: So that's Fusion. So that's that's who.
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  Speaker 6: Now that's like Taylor, Taylor, Mike and Mike Turned, Mike,
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  Speaker 6: Brian Hines.
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  Speaker 4: Brian I like. I mean, I like Brian a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I like Mike Kadlick. I don't really know Taylor very much,
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  Speaker 4: so I can't say I've never really met him. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't speak. I didn't want to meet you.
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  Speaker 4: Come off disrespectfully. I don't know. With the Patriots presspects,
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  Speaker 4: you can't keep checking everything. You're good because you know
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  Speaker 4: I have that everybody who Fred likes to say that
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  Speaker 4: I have my media list. They're not honest. No, they're
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  Speaker 4: the young guys. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who's the most optimistic of that.
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  Speaker 4: Of that guy, those guys all of sports of it.
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  Speaker 4: I like EI and the sports, but probably not. We're
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  Speaker 4: probably after them and they're behind us.
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  Speaker 2: When you but when you talk about ninety eight point five, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: be ahead of it. You have to only take you
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  Speaker 2: have to Well, it's tough because morning show and afternoon show.
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  Speaker 2: But then you get Zolac, who you know, he's usually optimistic, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that show has not been over the Beatles down
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  Speaker 4: off Beatles on the situation with may he thought may
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  Speaker 4: should have more of an opportunity to start well than
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  Speaker 4: he's been given.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine, it's a fair point. Yeah, that's fine.
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  Speaker 6: It's the third overall.
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  Speaker 3: But that does But is he down on may or
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  Speaker 3: is he down on Mayo's.
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  Speaker 4: Down on Mayo?
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  Speaker 7: Mayo?
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  Speaker 5: Do you think that if may give him first team
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  Speaker 5: reps like next week, does that need to does he
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  Speaker 5: need to preempt that? Because I feel like if all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden, major starts getting first reps, especially.
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  Speaker 4: After a preseason game or maybe you know Jacoby.
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  Speaker 5: Like I just the implication of people are gonna take
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  Speaker 5: it and run with it, like, oh, they're not feeling
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  Speaker 5: great about Jacoby that you know, does he have to No.
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  Speaker 4: I think it would be an indication that they feel
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  Speaker 4: like may has earned more opportunities. And I think that
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  Speaker 4: the criticism that could come from that to Mayo is
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  Speaker 4: he should have gotten this earlier, and if you did,
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  Speaker 4: you might have had a true competition on your hands
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  Speaker 4: instead of like, I don't know how you guys feel.
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  Speaker 4: I know Fred you feel differently. I still don't think
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  Speaker 4: there's any chance whatsoever that Drake may starts week one.
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  Speaker 3: Well right now if the season started, there's no chance.
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  Speaker 4: No, I know, but I don't think there's anything that
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  Speaker 4: can happen in between now and okay we change what
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  Speaker 4: brring and in to read a Brissette.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, now I would agree with you. And but
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  Speaker 6: you might have said this, I feel like you did now.
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  Speaker 6: I feel it was like premeditated, Yes, that's this was
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  Speaker 6: always the plan. And barring him, as Mayo put it
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  Speaker 6: in at the beginning, lighting up practice like literally not
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  Speaker 6: throwing it incompletion for like three straight days, it wasn't
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  Speaker 6: going to change.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even think he gave him an opportunity to
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  Speaker 4: light up a practice.
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  Speaker 6: Right because he's out there throwing to who he's throwing
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  Speaker 6: to and behind and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But still, even with that caveat, May hasn't always looked
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  Speaker 2: that great. He hasn't, Like you can't always blame it
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  Speaker 2: on his supporting.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: He's been okay, Yeah, that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's the disappointment I've had, is like he hasn't lit
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  Speaker 2: it up like you would know even if guys are
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  Speaker 2: dropping it or running the you would know.
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  Speaker 3: May's looking good. I can't say that yet, Yeah, I can't.
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  Speaker 3: What I what I was hoping and what I still
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  Speaker 3: hope will happen, is that there will come a point
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  Speaker 3: where where May is just mentally and physically above Jacoby Brissett.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't even seen anything to that yet. I agree,
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  Speaker 2: we haven't seen that yet, and that's what I need
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  Speaker 2: to see and what Mayo needs to see.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of feel like the closest was that middle
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  Speaker 5: elevens period today where the couple drops from from Baker.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it just it felt like May was making
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  Speaker 5: throws and getting the ball in places where maybe they
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  Speaker 5: should have been completed.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the teammates weren't helping him out. But
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  Speaker 4: I agree with the boys.
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  Speaker 6: Not that it always has to be a comparison. But
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  Speaker 6: like going back to Max Rocky training camp, it was
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  Speaker 6: the Giants joint practices that really turned the corner for
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 6: Mac Jones. I just think there's a lot riding on
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  Speaker 6: that Eagles joint practice. And to Fred's point, we haven't
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  Speaker 6: necessarily seen him may have one of those dominant practices.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if we necessarily saw that from Mac
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  Speaker 6: until we got into that the joint Bram wasn't there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: and then that Giant joint practice happened, and that was
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 6: sort of the day he.
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  Speaker 4: Came to say he won it by default because the
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: other guy wasn't there.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he had a really good practice.
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  Speaker 4: He did, he did, but he got the opportunity because
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: the other quarterback was not doing what he needed to
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  Speaker 4: do to be on the field. I don't think that's
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  Speaker 4: gonna happen with percent. I think, you know, like I said,
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  Speaker 4: barring an injury, yeah, that could change it.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not giving up hope.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to be doing up.
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  Speaker 3: Hope Brandon, he's still got this preseason game. Let's see
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  Speaker 3: what he does.
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  Speaker 2: We got the joint practice, Let's see how Mao uses
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: him in the joint practice, because that'll be a good,
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  Speaker 2: you know, early kind of test for him.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: We'll see. All right, that's going to be it for
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