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Bonus Episode: Brit Pop and the Attempted Kidnapping of Two British Musical Icons · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast. It comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party. The bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode or Disgraceland to the other. The backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: we jump off of Pete Daherty and jump back into
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Speaker 1: the britpop glory years. Get your thoughts on all things
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Speaker 1: music and true crime. Preview next week's very special episode,
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Speaker 1: and in the exclusive section, we dive into two new
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Speaker 1: brit specific music in true crime stories, one involving the
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Speaker 1: attempted kidnappings. I'm not just one, but two iconic British
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Speaker 1: musicians by You're never going to believe this, a bunch
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Speaker 1: of other gangster British musicians. Plus we get into your emails, comments, dms,
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Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of rosie. This is
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Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent
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Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history
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Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories
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Speaker 1: they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling
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Speaker 1: someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. You
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Speaker 1: know something we've never really discussed here in Disgraceland is britpop. Now.
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Speaker 1: I know, the Libertines, the subject of this week's full episode,
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Speaker 1: isn't technically britpop. They're really just an indie rock band
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Speaker 1: with UK influence from the UK of from London, and
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Speaker 1: they're part of a generation of British indie bands that
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Speaker 1: became known after Britpop. Britpop to me is decidedly a
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Speaker 1: nineties thing. Oasis, Blur, Pulp, the nineties are the era
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Speaker 1: of British bands. Okay, that to me is britpop. The Libertines,
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Speaker 1: Block Party, the Cribs. That's a different generation British sure,
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Speaker 1: but not necessarily britpop. So we covered Oasis here in
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Speaker 1: disgraysand obviously britpop, and we have Blur and Elastica on
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Speaker 1: our list for this year for episodes that we're going
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Speaker 1: to produce. But we've barely spoken about the groups from
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Speaker 1: that nineties britpop era that inspired bands like the Libertines
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Speaker 1: and the Cribs and Block Party, you know again, britpop
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Speaker 1: band Supergrass, Swede, Radiohead, And we've barely spoken about the
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Speaker 1: group of British bands that came to inspire these britpop bands.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the post punk era of British groups
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Speaker 1: that inspired Oasis and Blur and Pulp and all that.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Cure Smiths susing the Banshees, and
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Speaker 1: we've spent a ton of time talking about the first
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Speaker 1: generation of British punk sex pistols Clash Generation X, which
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Speaker 1: just did an episode on The Pretender's Chrissy Hind which
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Speaker 1: is set largely in that world in London in the
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Speaker 1: late seventies. So here's what I want to do, thanks
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Speaker 1: to the Libertines, thanks to Pete Daugherty, I want to
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Speaker 1: talk about the britpop movement here with the Libertines obviously
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Speaker 1: as a jumping off point, and I want to use
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Speaker 1: it as an entry point, ideally into some more disgrace
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Speaker 1: sand episodes we can cover going forward from this era. Now,
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Speaker 1: I can't recall if in the Oasis episode, if I
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Speaker 1: mentioned whether I'm Oasis or a team Oasis or team Blur.
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Speaker 1: Not that you have to be either, but you know
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Speaker 1: you kind of like one more than the other, you
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Speaker 1: don't like them both the same, or you're not really
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Speaker 1: paying attention. I can't remember if I got into that
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Speaker 1: in those Oasis episodes, but I am an Oasis guy,
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Speaker 1: which is a very unpopular opinion in my house. My
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Speaker 1: wife and my oldest son are decidedly Blur first, and
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Speaker 1: my youngest son is basically just agreeing with them to
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Speaker 1: piss me off. So I'm in the minority, but I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna win him over. Let's look, though, not just at
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Speaker 1: Oasis and Blur, but at that whole nineties generation of
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Speaker 1: peak British pop music, the era that directly influenced Pete
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Speaker 1: Doherty in the Libertines, and let's steep ourselves a little
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Speaker 1: bit more in London music history, more recent of course,
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Speaker 1: and hopefully some lore. All Right, So I went dig
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Speaker 1: in this morning as I was thinking about what I
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Speaker 1: was going to say to you guys today, and surprisingly
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Speaker 1: Rolling Stone magazine does not have a list of top
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Speaker 1: pop groups or albums. But side note rolling Stone, if
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Speaker 1: you want one, you know you can call me up.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was kind of surprised by that Rolling
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Speaker 1: Stones all about the list. I don't know why they
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Speaker 1: don't have one. Pitchfork, on the other hand, has a
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Speaker 1: fifty best Britpop album's list, and right out of the gate,
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Speaker 1: I'm angry before even looking at the list, because I
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Speaker 1: know the Pitchfork isn't going to have Oasis is definitely
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Speaker 1: maybe at number one, which they absolutely should because really,
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Speaker 1: to me, that nineteen ninety four album is Britpop's big Bang. Instead,
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Speaker 1: Pitchfork is going to have something obscure like Richard Holly's
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Speaker 1: cousin's third grade teacher's best friend's demo that he cut
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Speaker 1: in the basement of the local pub as their number
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Speaker 1: one album of top fifty Britpop albums. That imaginary album
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Speaker 1: is called Chandler and the Ghosts by the imaginary band
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Speaker 1: causely but I digress, and despite my anger, or perhaps
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Speaker 1: because of it, I'm gonna trudge on here, like Liam Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: into a violent melee of warring soccer hooligans and cops,
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Speaker 1: which is to say, I'm going to dive headfirst into
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Speaker 1: this list. Okay, so this is just kind of recent.
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Speaker 1: It's from twenty seventeen and right out of the gate.
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Speaker 1: Despite my reservations, I have hope here, okay, because the list,
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Speaker 1: as I look at it, it starts with a Jarvis
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Speaker 1: Cocker quote and it goes on to interview Danny Boyle. Okay,
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Speaker 1: trainspotting Danny Boyle. Pitchfork defines Britpop similarly to the way
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Speaker 1: I do, but they put more meat on the bone.
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Speaker 1: They say that britpop is quote the musical scene active
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Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom in the mid nineties. Particularly, we
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Speaker 1: are looking at the guitar based musicians who shared focus
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Speaker 1: on anthemic melodies, social observations of British culture, and daily
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Speaker 1: life in their country's musical heritage. That sounds about right
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Speaker 1: to me. That nails the definition of britpop. So let's
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Speaker 1: dive in. I'm not doing all fifty here, by the way,
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Speaker 1: I'm just doing the top ten, number ten, the verve
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Speaker 1: urban hymns. This feels both too low and too high
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Speaker 1: at the same time, So maybe this album is perfect
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Speaker 1: at number ten. I don't know, I don't know. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna reserve judgment here number nine now see I knew it,
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Speaker 1: I knew it. Oasis Definitely Maybe at number nine, this
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Speaker 1: is an affront to uh, I don't know, the monarchy, No,
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Speaker 1: to the working class. That's what it's in front two.
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Speaker 1: This is way, way, way too low. Okay, this is
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Speaker 1: what Pitchfork has to say about Definitely Maybe hold on, i'
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Speaker 1: let men pull it up for you. It's interesting. At
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Speaker 1: number nine. Definitely maybe Oasis's full length album, their debut
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Speaker 1: full length from nineteen ninety four. Pitchfork has this to
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Speaker 1: say in the context of this list of top fifty
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Speaker 1: britpop albums. Okay, here we go Tonight, I'm a rock
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Speaker 1: and roll Star, Liam Gallagher proclaims at the start of
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Speaker 1: Oasis's debut. Taken out of context, it's easy to mistake
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Speaker 1: this course as another example of braggadoccio from britpop's brashest band,
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Speaker 1: particularly given the anti stadium hero ethos of the era.
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Speaker 1: But the verses of rock and Roll Star tell a
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Speaker 1: different story, reflecting Oasis's modest circumstances when they made Definitely
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Speaker 1: Maybe before Oasis were arrogant, they were aspirational. I disagree
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Speaker 1: with that. They were always arrogant, goes on to say
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Speaker 1: throughout the album. Noel Gallagher writes about a dead end
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Speaker 1: working class life from which there is no escape save
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Speaker 1: for fantasies of fame and fortune. In that same song,
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Speaker 1: in a cutting wine pitched at the midpoint of John
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Speaker 1: Lennon and Johnny Rotten, Liam Gallagher sings, definitely maybe's truest
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Speaker 1: line in my mind, my dreams are real. It was
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Speaker 1: up to Oasis to make them real. There's more to
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Speaker 1: it than that, but that's the part I wanted to
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Speaker 1: read to you, because I don't really disagree with anything there,
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Speaker 1: except for the claim that this was before Oasis were arrogant,
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Speaker 1: you know, insinuating that there was a time when they
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Speaker 1: weren't arrogant, which just isn't true. They always had that
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Speaker 1: cockiness and that was, honestly, that was the appeal to
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Speaker 1: me of Oasis back in the nineties. It was super
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Speaker 1: refreshing to finally after Kurt Cobain, after just this sort
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Speaker 1: of the grunge era of the nineties in America, the
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Speaker 1: time in which we were all supposed to do, and
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Speaker 1: I felt this way authentically, you know, we were all
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Speaker 1: sort of like just rejecting the idea of the rock
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Speaker 1: star for something more authentic and more artistic. It was
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Speaker 1: even though we felt that way, it was just honest
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Speaker 1: to get the opposite inn Oasis of these guys who
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Speaker 1: were clearly larger than life, absolute rock stars and just
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Speaker 1: made no bones about it. Came out of the gates
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Speaker 1: swinging exactly authentically who they were, not putting anything on.
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Speaker 1: You could just feel it. They were fucking gangsters, rock stars.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely didn't give a shit about societal norms. It was
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Speaker 1: expressed in their music. And yes, this was not the
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Speaker 1: brand of your sort of you know, like high falutant,
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Speaker 1: high society late sixties swing in London, Rolling Stones, rock Star.
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Speaker 1: This was a different breed entirely. This was totally working class, thugish.
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Speaker 1: It was great. It was great to know that these
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Speaker 1: guys were going for it and we were rooting for them.
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Speaker 1: In the hardcore scene, we were at least, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was kind of just this thing was I don't
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Speaker 1: know what it was. I don't know why hardcore kids
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Speaker 1: liked Oasis so much, because I think them being British
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Speaker 1: gave us the freedom to root for further rockstardom because
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Speaker 1: there was some separation there. We didn't do that with
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Speaker 1: American bands, not in nineteen ninety four, certainly not with
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Speaker 1: new American bands in nineteen ninety four. Anyways, this record
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Speaker 1: to me, like I said, it's the big band of ritpop.
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Speaker 1: And I know there's there are plenty of arguments to
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Speaker 1: make against this record for other records. That's what makes
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Speaker 1: this topic so interesting. But for me, this is the one.
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Speaker 1: This is the one. It's a ringing bell, It's Bunker
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Speaker 1: Hill or Lexington or whatever it is. This is the thing.
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Speaker 1: This is when it starts for me. So number nine,
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Speaker 1: I just nine, barely in the top ten. I just
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Speaker 1: can't go there. I can't come on. But it's Pitchfork,
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Speaker 1: so what do you expect? Number eight is Blur's self
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Speaker 1: titled album Blur from nineteen ninety seven, which I don't know.
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Speaker 1: This also feels very low. This was Blur's breakthrough in
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Speaker 1: America sort of. Blur never really broke through in America
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Speaker 1: like Oasis did, despite despite the massive single from this album,
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Speaker 1: song number two, which still has cultural relevance. This record
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Speaker 1: personally is I love it. It's incredible. One of my
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Speaker 1: favorite albums from this era for sure. It's definitely my
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Speaker 1: favorite Blur album. I like it more than park Life,
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Speaker 1: which is saying something is Park life is fantastic. And again,
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Speaker 1: this is the band that broke the band broke Blur
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Speaker 1: in America, and America is still listening to it. Like
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Speaker 1: I said, pretty much every day, turn on most any
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Speaker 1: sporting event broadcast and wait a couple of minutes and
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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear the crowd singing song number two at
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Speaker 1: some point A woo who as they say so. Number
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Speaker 1: eight here feels low for Blur's self titled album, Number seven,
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Speaker 1: paulp This is hardcore. And you know by now, guys
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Speaker 1: that I'm not a huge Pulp fan. But I don't
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Speaker 1: dislike Pulp like your favorite New Jersey crime boss. I
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Speaker 1: like some Pulp and this record ain't it not for
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Speaker 1: me anyways, But that's mainly out of ignorance in preference.
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Speaker 1: I don't know this album that well. I always love
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Speaker 1: the album cover, but I was never compelled to really
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Speaker 1: dig into this and explore it. I suppose now is
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Speaker 1: the time to change. That I just learned today, however,
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Speaker 1: in going through this britpop history that Pulp had been
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Speaker 1: a band for seventeen years before breaking out, and I
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Speaker 1: had to look at this twice before breaking out in
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Speaker 1: the rippop era of the nineteen nineties. Pulp formed in
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight. What that's incredible, that's shocking. I think
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Speaker 1: Picasso was still alive in nineteen seventy eight.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't.
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Speaker 1: I think he died a couple of years earlier. But
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Speaker 1: you get my point. Wild all right. Number six Elastica's
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Speaker 1: self titled album. Now, this placement seems right. Perhaps it
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Speaker 1: could be a little higher. Perhaps this album suffers in
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Speaker 1: its positioning because it's a female front and group and
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Speaker 1: most of the folks putting this list together are krusty
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Speaker 1: rock dude journalists. This is a great record with a
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Speaker 1: great breakout single connection and songs on it that Nod
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Speaker 1: enthusiastically to the past. Maybe too enthusiastically got him into
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Speaker 1: some trouble, and you know, this is the type of
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Speaker 1: album that also storms into the future fearlessly. In the
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Speaker 1: result of core is a sound that is undeniably or
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Speaker 1: was undeniably present at the time. I loved this record
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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to cover Justine Frishman in either
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Speaker 1: an Elastica episode of Disgraceland or in a joint Damon
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Speaker 1: Alburn Disgraceland episod. We're going to talk about that later,
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Speaker 1: Seth and I in the exclusive section of this here
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Speaker 1: Bonus episode. Number five Swayed dog Man Star. Now, I
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Speaker 1: was never a big Swede fan. Swayed for me was
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Speaker 1: where brit pop just kind of went a little too
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Speaker 1: Brit poppy. But people love this record, So what do
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Speaker 1: I know? At number four, here we go, Now we're
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Speaker 1: getting down to it. Oasis is What's the Story? Morning Glory?
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Speaker 1: I honestly don't know how to rank this album. Oasis,
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Speaker 1: who I clearly love only really has two great albums,
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Speaker 1: this and definitely maybe and definitely maybe is my favorite
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Speaker 1: among the two. But what's the story? Morning Glory is
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Speaker 1: a mom stir album. It's skyrocketed the band to international fame.
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Speaker 1: It made Oasis the biggest band to come out of
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Speaker 1: Britain at the time. So I kind of don't know
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Speaker 1: how it's just not number one on this list. But
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Speaker 1: then again, I do know because it's not even my
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Speaker 1: favorite Oasis album either way, for just feels too low.
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Speaker 1: Number three Radioheads The Bends, mixed by my mentor and
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Speaker 1: American Paul Q. COLDERI and Paul's production partner at the time,
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Speaker 1: Sean Slaid. This feels right. Number three. Radiohead busted into
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Speaker 1: the mainstream during the grunge era with Pablo Honey and
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Speaker 1: their single Creep, which I believe is nineteen ninety two.
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Speaker 1: But this follow up in the middle of the britpop
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Speaker 1: era nineteen ninety five is incredible. The only thing, though,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know if people will
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Speaker 1: be able to relate to this, this album like it's
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Speaker 1: fall Up, okay, computer, they don't really feel britpoppy. Radiohead
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Speaker 1: feels like its own thing. This record feels like its
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Speaker 1: own thing, you know. It feels like Radiohead and Radiohead alone,
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Speaker 1: like the beginnings of a new genre almost, But that's
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Speaker 1: just me. I don't know what that says about its
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Speaker 1: placement on the list here at number three. Perhaps it
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Speaker 1: should be even higher, Perhaps it should have its own list.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Number two, okay, Before I get to
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Speaker 1: number two. There are only two more albums that can
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Speaker 1: possibly be at number two and number one on this list, right,
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Speaker 1: and I should Coco Buy Supergrass and Grand Prix by
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Speaker 1: Teenage Fan Club? Are those two albums? Right? They have
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Speaker 1: to be They haven't been mentioned yet, but no they're not,
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Speaker 1: and my dog's pissed about it. You hear that Dusty
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Speaker 1: is upset. Dusty is upset. She's a huge supergrass fan.
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't she be damn it. Both these incredible britpop
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Speaker 1: albums were left out of the top ten by the
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Speaker 1: supposed big brains at Pitchfork. Unbelievable. Number two is park
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Speaker 1: Life by blur which is the appropriate ranking? I think?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I know, I'm contradicting myself because I
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Speaker 1: already said that I like their self titled album better
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Speaker 1: than park Life, which you know, Blurheads I'm sure would hate.
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Speaker 1: But this record just I feel like it meant more
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Speaker 1: to the britpop movement and it should be behind Oasis,
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Speaker 1: as we've already discussed. Incredible as park Life is, but
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Speaker 1: the two great Oasis records, they've already been talked about
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Speaker 1: here on this list. You know, actually, if I start
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Speaker 1: to think about it for five seconds longer, I can
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Speaker 1: probably make the case that park Life should be number
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Speaker 1: one on this list. If I'm being honest, It's as
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Speaker 1: genre defining as either of the great Oasis albums. I'm
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Speaker 1: just letting my Oasis bias sway me that or my wife.
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Speaker 1: But again, park Life here at number two, so what
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Speaker 1: is number one? Number one? Number one? Britpop heads have
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Speaker 1: already figured this out. Number one on this list. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. This kind of feels like, look at me, journalism,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like some hipper than you,
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Speaker 1: because I'm naming this record type of bullshit, which is
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Speaker 1: just obviously so Pitchfork. Number one on Pitchfork's list of
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Speaker 1: top fifty Britpop albums is Pulp's Different Class, which, Deborah,
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Speaker 1: come on, we love this album, but placing it above
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Speaker 1: Blur or Oasis just feels like, like I said Pitchfork,
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Speaker 1: like trying. They're trying just a little too hard, trying
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Speaker 1: to appeal to the so called cool kids hanging out
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Speaker 1: at MisShapes in the mid odds in New York, or
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Speaker 1: Boston's The Pill during that same era, or Great Scott.
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Speaker 1: I cannot get with Pulp's Different Class at number one.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that says something about me. Maybe it says that
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Speaker 1: I'm not as big of a britpop fan. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not a huge britpop fan. For me,
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Speaker 1: totally on us, I like some britpop I get to stop.
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Speaker 1: It's true though, and there is kind of a gaping
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Speaker 1: hole in my knowledge of the history, which is why
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to get into some britpop focused episodes going
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Speaker 1: forward here with Disgray sand I just can't get with
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Speaker 1: the fact that Supergrass and Teenage Fan Club with I
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Speaker 1: Should Cocoa and Grand Prix are not cracking the top
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Speaker 1: ten list here. All right, These are capital G great
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Speaker 1: records from start to finish, and not having in the
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Speaker 1: top ten just doesn't make any sense to me. Pitchfork
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Speaker 1: does have I Should Coco at number twelve and Grand
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Speaker 1: Prix way down at number thirty six. I'm sure Bandwagon
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Speaker 1: ESK is higher than Grand Prix. I didn't look. But
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Speaker 1: also not having Primal Scream on this list kind of
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Speaker 1: feels intentionally hurtful. Stone Roses I get. I get why
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Speaker 1: they're not in the top ten or even on the
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Speaker 1: list at all. They sort of I've preceded the whole
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Speaker 1: britpop thing, and to an extent, so did Primal Screen,
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Speaker 1: but not really some not too butt hurt about these
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Speaker 1: two omissions anyway. If you are a Libertines fan or
20:13
Speaker 1: a fan of any of the early to mid two
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Speaker 1: thousands British indie rock, Maximal Park, Razorlight, these bands that
20:18
Speaker 1: we're discussing right here. From this list, they're going to
20:20
Speaker 1: give you some idea of what Pete Tardi and Carl
20:23
Speaker 1: Barra and others from the two thousands indie sleis era
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Speaker 1: were weaned on. So there you go. Now, Jake, you
20:32
Speaker 1: might be asking me, maybe screaming at your car speaker
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Speaker 1: or whatever right now, going what brip pop bands are
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Speaker 1: you going to cover?
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Speaker 2: Dude?
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Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I think there's a blur. I
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Speaker 1: think there's blur and elastic episodes, perhaps a Damon and
20:49
Speaker 1: just seeing joint episode. Maybe we write a really transgressive
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Speaker 1: kind of junkie love story from the nineties set in
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Speaker 1: the UK, explore all the drug the heroin, the crime
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Speaker 1: and grime, and the tabloid era that their relationship took
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Speaker 1: place in. That sounds interesting to me. I'm obsessed with
21:11
Speaker 1: the rhymer of his love story at the moment. I
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Speaker 1: JFK Junior and Carolyn Bassett and maybe Damon and Justine
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Speaker 1: is our answer to that here in Disgrace Land. I
21:21
Speaker 1: like this idea. It's nineties, it's the same era, but
21:24
Speaker 1: it's a totally different scene, a totally different place obviously,
21:27
Speaker 1: and it also has a completely kind of different type
21:30
Speaker 1: of glamor, yet it's still glamorous. It's got similar tabloid madness.
21:35
Speaker 1: It's just the UK rippop version. I'm loving this idea
21:38
Speaker 1: as I'm talking about it to you right now. From
21:40
Speaker 1: a crime angle, we've got heroin use, Damon's arrests, Elastica's
21:45
Speaker 1: legal settlement with wire, all kinds of stuff we can
21:48
Speaker 1: get into. There's also what I've learned here over the
21:52
Speaker 1: years from you guys. I wish I could remember your
21:56
Speaker 1: names who had written me on this subject, but quite
21:58
Speaker 1: a few of you, more than a handful, have written
22:01
Speaker 1: about another British band that we should cover that we
22:03
Speaker 1: have not mentioned at all yet, and that is the
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Speaker 1: Happy Mondays, a group with an insane true crime backstory
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Speaker 1: including kidnapping, multiple kidnappings, assault. One of the kidnappings actually
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Speaker 1: both involve musical icons. I can't even can't believe these stories.
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Speaker 1: Heroin of course, not just using heroin, but large scale
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Speaker 1: drug smuggling and of course all manner of rock and
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Speaker 1: roll hedonism and debauchery. The Happy Mondays pre date britpop.
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Speaker 1: They go back to the wild sort of Manchester club
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Speaker 1: scene that was the decade before. But nonetheless This is
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Speaker 1: an insane story and one that needs further exploration and
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Speaker 1: most definitely its own Disgraceland episode on the Happy Mondays.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk more about the true crime story
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Speaker 1: of the Happy Mondays as well as the junkie love
23:04
Speaker 1: story of Damon from Blur and Justine from Elastica with
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Speaker 1: Ze and figure out how these episodes will take shape.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna do that in the exclusive section of this
23:11
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23:16
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23:33
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23:36
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23:41
Speaker 1: there's enough crime and transgression there to warrant a Disgraceland episodes.
23:47
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23:50
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24:01
Speaker 1: before we dive into all that, let's do a little
24:03
Speaker 1: table setting here. As we mentioned, this week's Pete Doherty
24:07
Speaker 1: from the Libertines episode is available for you to check
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Speaker 1: out and look. This story and the death of Mark Blanco,
24:16
Speaker 1: who is hanging out with Pete Dodhugherty that night, is
24:19
Speaker 1: one of the most underreported stories in music history. And
24:29
Speaker 1: we did our part here. Look, we're not journalists. We're
24:31
Speaker 1: not pretending to be journalists. We are storytellers, open source
24:36
Speaker 1: storytellers who use information that's already been published. We don't
24:41
Speaker 1: go out and dig up new stories. We source everything.
24:45
Speaker 1: We're careful about it. We make sure that we're giving
24:47
Speaker 1: you guys what really happened. But this story in particular
24:51
Speaker 1: really requires some real journalism. And you know, I'm coming
24:56
Speaker 1: across this is the second time in like this week
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Speaker 1: actually that I've come across this where we're telling these stories.
25:06
Speaker 1: It's almost like so many of the stories we tell
25:08
Speaker 1: this Gray Sand are from like the nineteen sixties and
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Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, and a lot of time has passed.
25:12
Speaker 1: This story is from two thousand and six, not that
25:14
Speaker 1: much time has passed, and I don't believe that the
25:17
Speaker 1: facts are all out there or the truth is out there,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to dip in and find our way
25:22
Speaker 1: through this story. And you know, if I'm being totally frank,
25:26
Speaker 1: we come up like with more questions than answers at
25:30
Speaker 1: the end. And it's super frustrating because you know, I
25:32
Speaker 1: get a business to run, I got a podcasts to
25:34
Speaker 1: make every week. I can't just like we have a
25:36
Speaker 1: way of doing it. I can't just like pack up
25:38
Speaker 1: and fly to London and start asking people questions. Not
25:41
Speaker 1: that anyone would even talk to me if I did
25:43
Speaker 1: that anyhow, That's not what I do. So it's kind
25:46
Speaker 1: of frustrating, and I don't understand why actual music journalists.
25:51
Speaker 1: And again I've never called myself a journalist. Some people have.
25:54
Speaker 1: I never have not from the beginning. Like a definition
25:58
Speaker 1: of a journalist to me is not somebody who does
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Speaker 1: what I do. It definitely of a journalist to me
26:02
Speaker 1: as somebody who goes out and actually digs up and
26:04
Speaker 1: finds information for the first time, you know, like finds
26:10
Speaker 1: information that has not yet been public. Everything we talk
26:13
Speaker 1: about is public information. Oftentimes made public by the artists
26:20
Speaker 1: themselves that we are covering in their autobiographies, and it
26:23
Speaker 1: gets buried throughout time. So it becomes very interesting when
26:26
Speaker 1: we get to it because a lot of this stuff
26:28
Speaker 1: has sort of been shoved under the covers, because it
26:31
Speaker 1: goes back, like I said, to the sixties, to seventies,
26:33
Speaker 1: the eighties, the nineties here though again two thousand and
26:37
Speaker 1: six not that long ago when you think about it.
26:40
Speaker 1: I mean, two decades sounds like a long time, but
26:42
Speaker 1: culturally not really. And this story still it's hard to
26:51
Speaker 1: accept the story of how Mark Blanco died. I'm not
26:55
Speaker 1: pointing any fingers. What the official story is may very
27:00
Speaker 1: well be the case, but we it's just one of
27:01
Speaker 1: those things where we need more evidence that proves it
27:04
Speaker 1: that way one way or another. And I've similarly come
27:09
Speaker 1: across the same challenge and the story that I'm researching
27:12
Speaker 1: right now on the Food Fighters, which I mean, look,
27:18
Speaker 1: man Taylor Hawkins died in twenty twenty two, and we
27:23
Speaker 1: still don't know the cause of his death. He died tragically.
27:28
Speaker 1: I say that as a point of fact, but that
27:31
Speaker 1: is not the explanation for how he died, which if
27:35
Speaker 1: you read anything about the food fighters over the last
27:37
Speaker 1: few years. That's the explanation you're going to get. They'll
27:42
Speaker 1: talk about drugs in his system, but that's not the
27:46
Speaker 1: official take. They won't talk about an overdose. Again, more
27:52
Speaker 1: questions than answers. And this is only four years ago.
27:57
Speaker 1: And look, man like, I'm not trying to pry into
28:01
Speaker 1: anybody's life. And I get the sensitivity that this has
28:04
Speaker 1: with Taylor Hawkins's family, and certainly I would feel like
28:10
Speaker 1: this shit was none of anybody's business if this was
28:13
Speaker 1: my family member. But we know how Keith Moon died,
28:17
Speaker 1: we know how John Bonham died. It just doesn't make
28:22
Speaker 1: any sense that we don't know how Taylor Hawkins died.
28:25
Speaker 1: And anyway, like the Pete Doherty story here, the death
28:29
Speaker 1: of Mark Blanco, which Pete Doherty is at the center
28:32
Speaker 1: of the death of Taylor Hawkins is one of those
28:36
Speaker 1: things that we still don't have an answer for. I'm
28:38
Speaker 1: gonna go a little bit harder into this one than
28:40
Speaker 1: we did Pete Darty, and I'm gonna try to find out.
28:42
Speaker 1: I'm not promising you anything, nothing at all, but I
28:45
Speaker 1: am gonna ask questions that people don't seem to really
28:49
Speaker 1: want to ask, and I don't think there's anything wrong
28:52
Speaker 1: with that. People in the public public eye. That's the price.
28:56
Speaker 1: And you can be a fan of the food Fighters.
28:59
Speaker 1: I mean to Taylor Hawkins. I mean, he just struck
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Speaker 1: me as a type of guy. I never met him,
29:03
Speaker 1: but he struck me as a type of guy that
29:04
Speaker 1: if you met him, you would just instantly be like,
29:08
Speaker 1: you know, just vibe. And he's just such a spirit
29:12
Speaker 1: and an incredible talent. And our episode is not going
29:16
Speaker 1: to be a takedown in any way, but it is
29:17
Speaker 1: going to ask some questions and maybe perhaps at a
29:21
Speaker 1: later date, we'll dive back into this Pete Doherty story
29:25
Speaker 1: as well. But we need more journalism here, and I'm
29:29
Speaker 1: appealing to the actual music journalists out there who listened
29:32
Speaker 1: to the show. You know, come on, let's go, let's
29:34
Speaker 1: figure this out, all right. Anyways, I say all that
29:38
Speaker 1: because we're in the midst of Pete Doherty week here
29:41
Speaker 1: in this graceland. That's our latest episode this year is
29:44
Speaker 1: the bonus episode. Episode tomorrow is our rewind episode, and
29:49
Speaker 1: that is on Bobby Brown. Now, Lison, if you ever
29:51
Speaker 1: wondered what having sex with a ghost was like, you
29:55
Speaker 1: don't have to wonder anymore, because we're going to answer
29:57
Speaker 1: that question in the Bobby Well Bobby, Bobby Brown has
30:00
Speaker 1: answered it for us, and you can hear about it
30:03
Speaker 1: in the Bobby Brown episode. I'm not kidding. Next week,
30:06
Speaker 1: next week, next week, we have a very special episode
30:10
Speaker 1: coming your way on Tuesday. Does something happening in Disgraceland
30:14
Speaker 1: right now? Something big? I can't exactly say what it
30:16
Speaker 1: is yet. I'm not even saying I'm gonna go all
30:19
Speaker 1: the way there with this news and next week special episode,
30:22
Speaker 1: but i am going to come close. So make sure
30:25
Speaker 1: you check out our special episode coming to you on Tuesday.
30:29
Speaker 1: That is a new app coming up right after Bobby Brown.
30:33
Speaker 1: All right, and I'll be coming up right after this break.
30:35
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a quick break. I'll be back after
30:37
Speaker 1: this with your voicemails text him. All right, guys, I'm back.
30:51
Speaker 1: I'm in the chair. I'm talking to you all. I'm
30:53
Speaker 1: in my happy place. I'm gonna go to Los Angeles
30:55
Speaker 1: kind of unexpectedly, and it's a super quick trip, so
31:02
Speaker 1: I'm getting it. I'm recording this early. My point is
31:05
Speaker 1: in telling you this, I'm recording the after party earlier
31:07
Speaker 1: this week. So we're not going to get a lot
31:09
Speaker 1: of your answers and responses to the p Tord episode
31:12
Speaker 1: here right now, but we will get to it next
31:15
Speaker 1: week and next week's after party. But we are going
31:17
Speaker 1: to talk to you, guys. We're gonna hear from you
31:19
Speaker 1: as always six one seven nine oh six six six
31:22
Speaker 1: three eight, voicemail and text. You want to hit me
31:24
Speaker 1: up about anything, anything at all, episodes, you want to
31:27
Speaker 1: hear artists, you want us to cover whatever it is,
31:30
Speaker 1: get at us six one seven nine oh six six
31:32
Speaker 1: six three eight. If you're shy you don't want to
31:34
Speaker 1: leave a voicemail, I would encourage you to, you know,
31:37
Speaker 1: leave a voicemail for sure. I love hearing your voices.
31:39
Speaker 1: You can always send me a text as well. This voicemail, however,
31:43
Speaker 1: comes from let's see here. This is the five oh.
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Speaker 2: Three, Hey Jake, this is the five o three two
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Speaker 2: fifty three am in the morning, listening to Not even
31:55
Speaker 2: sure I listened to all of your shows anyway. We're
31:58
Speaker 2: talking about women in rock and roll, which I'm not
32:03
Speaker 2: sure that I've never really been two into. But you
32:06
Speaker 2: haven't mentioned heart and I'm not a huge I prefer
32:12
Speaker 2: Patty Smith over Heart. But what the hell, man, those guys,
32:16
Speaker 2: those two must have sold more records than me of
32:18
Speaker 2: these people, these others you're mentioning anyway, dude, that's it.
32:23
Speaker 2: I hope you're doing well, man, fine, five.
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Speaker 1: O three, Thank you for the call. Yeah, you're right, man.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I have mentioned Heart. I think
32:30
Speaker 1: a listener might have in the last after party. I
32:33
Speaker 1: guess I take Heart for granted, Like I was talking
32:35
Speaker 1: the other day, we take CCR for granted because it's
32:38
Speaker 1: kind of they've kind of they're just there. They've been
32:40
Speaker 1: there forever, you know, on classic rock radio. But they
32:45
Speaker 1: are incredible, incredible musicians, and yeah, they sold a shit
32:49
Speaker 1: ton of records, and they they're definitely in the conversation.
32:53
Speaker 1: I like Patti Smith more than HERD. I guess if
32:55
Speaker 1: I was going to pull an album off my shelf
32:57
Speaker 1: and I only had two choices, and those of them,
32:59
Speaker 1: I I like, you would listen to Patty Smith as well.
33:01
Speaker 1: But authored yeah, I don't really understand the comparison. I
33:05
Speaker 1: guess I guess you're comparing them because I guess I
33:08
Speaker 1: was talking a lot about Patty Smith in the last episode,
33:10
Speaker 1: and I get that. But yeah, Heart great, great, great
33:14
Speaker 1: great band. Well deserved Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee.
33:19
Speaker 1: By the way, I guess we're gonna find out in
33:20
Speaker 1: the next couple weeks who's getting in in the Hall
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Speaker 1: of Fame. I can't wait to talk to you guys
33:25
Speaker 1: about it, but in the meantime, let's talk to the
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Speaker 1: seven two four.
33:31
Speaker 3: Hey, Jay, this is Clint from seven two four. I'm
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Speaker 3: responding to your response to my response about the Baddest
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Speaker 3: Dass Females. I had said, John Jet, you wade in
33:43
Speaker 3: and said you thought it was a pretty good choice
33:44
Speaker 3: and asked me to get back that I ever seen
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Speaker 3: Light of Day Fucking a Dad. That was a great movie.
33:50
Speaker 3: You could tavern. I live right up right on the
33:53
Speaker 3: state line between Pennsylvania and Ohio, so I get up
33:56
Speaker 3: that way for a long time a wive and back
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Speaker 3: in the day when that was a relatively popular cousin
34:03
Speaker 3: Michael J. Bloxing John certainly made the pilgrimage, went up
34:07
Speaker 3: there and check it out. There's also the Warsaw up there,
34:11
Speaker 3: kind of same area where Joe Walsh played a lot with,
34:14
Speaker 3: did did Drew Carrey show and shit like that kind
34:17
Speaker 3: of fun. So yeah, thanks for getting me on. Thank
34:20
Speaker 3: you for taking my response. Always a lot of fun.
34:23
Speaker 3: You do a great job with your show.
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Speaker 1: Have a good day seven two four. Thanks for the call,
34:27
Speaker 1: but thanks specifically for your your excellent placement of the
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Speaker 1: phrase fucking a Jake. I just love fucking a I
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Speaker 1: love that. I love that. You know what else? I
34:34
Speaker 1: love I love I shit you not. I love it
34:36
Speaker 1: when people say those those two phrases. Fucking a Clint,
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Speaker 1: Yeah you clid Tavern right right on, man, Thanks for
34:43
Speaker 1: getting back and uh light a day. I love that
34:46
Speaker 1: we're talking obscure Joon Jet movies from the eighties six
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Speaker 1: one seven, nine oh six, six, six three eight. You
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Speaker 1: guys want to talk to us about anything, doesn't have
34:53
Speaker 1: to be obscure joone Jet movies from the nineteen eighties
34:56
Speaker 1: six one nine Texan, Hey, Melissa here from the six
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Speaker 1: one nine. I'm not sure sure how we can have
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Speaker 1: a discussion about influential women in rock without mentioning and
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Speaker 1: in Nancy Wilson and as one of the most recognizable
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Speaker 1: voices of rock women, and Nancy is an outstanding guitarist.
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Speaker 1: The two of them combined in Heart makes a catalog
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Speaker 1: of some of the best rock tracks in history. Just
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Speaker 1: my two cents and your spot on those are two
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Speaker 1: cents well spent. Melissa, I agree with you one hundred percent.
35:24
Speaker 1: I'll go even a step farther and say that Nancy
35:28
Speaker 1: should get more recognition for her guitar playing. She's one
35:33
Speaker 1: of the best in classic rock and not and I
35:38
Speaker 1: don't mean like ripping off solos. I mean just as
35:41
Speaker 1: her guitar playing sets the stage for the songwriting in heart,
35:46
Speaker 1: it's kind of unmistakably her, which is awesome. Three h
35:50
Speaker 1: two rites in how many messages did you get giving
35:52
Speaker 1: you shit for omitting Susie Quatro from your most Influential
35:56
Speaker 1: Female Rock Musicians discussion. I didn't think I omitted her.
35:59
Speaker 1: I think we talked about her. I think she was
36:02
Speaker 1: brought up by you guys, by the listeners first. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: we have a Susie Squatro episode coming three oh two,
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Speaker 1: so you will not be disappointed. Eric from the nine
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Speaker 1: to five four text and Hey, Eric from the nine
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Speaker 1: to five to four X Boston eighties nineties early two
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Speaker 1: thousands always enjoyed the show. The AFX Sex Pistol series
36:23
Speaker 1: included Chrissy Hine throughout her and Susie Sue and others
36:27
Speaker 1: blaze the trail in Europe. I think Carol King deserves
36:31
Speaker 1: much credit for her role in the evolution of popular music. Damn,
36:35
Speaker 1: you are absolutely right, Carol King. Her influence is hard
36:40
Speaker 1: to measure in pop music. She's incredible, incredible, all right.
36:45
Speaker 1: One little message here in the Rock and Roll Hall
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Speaker 1: of Fame nominee is this one because I want to
36:49
Speaker 1: keep this conversation going with y'all. By the way, did
36:51
Speaker 1: we talk about that in the I think we just
36:53
Speaker 1: talked about it in the exclusive section last week. But anyways,
36:56
Speaker 1: this one comes from Jason four one six Hey rock
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Speaker 1: Hall non and he's the one I'm really pulling for.
37:02
Speaker 1: Is Joy Division New Order. It'll be a very blue
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Speaker 1: Monday if they don't get in highly highly influential. I
37:08
Speaker 1: can't imagine the soundtrack of My life without at least
37:11
Speaker 1: three Joy Division and three New Order songs on my
37:14
Speaker 1: triple album saw them in twenty twenty two with Pet
37:16
Speaker 1: Shop Boys and the show Blazed. I also noted that
37:19
Speaker 1: it was not just gen xers like me and the audience,
37:21
Speaker 1: people of all ages and many twenty and thirty somethings
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Speaker 1: rock and rolla yes, hugely influential and relevant to the
37:27
Speaker 1: conversation we were having earlier about British bands. I don't know, man,
37:33
Speaker 1: I have a problem with this one. Not that I
37:36
Speaker 1: don't love the music or the band z a plural,
37:41
Speaker 1: but it's the fact that the rock and Roll Hall
37:43
Speaker 1: of Fame is inducting like a hybrid Joy Division slash
37:48
Speaker 1: New Order. And I get why, it's just the difference
37:50
Speaker 1: of a singer, right, It just seems fucking weird to me,
37:54
Speaker 1: Like just like induct New Order and then inducting Curtis
38:01
Speaker 1: at a later date or something. Doesn't this seem weird?
38:04
Speaker 1: Doesn't this open a can of worms that we're not
38:06
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be upset that we opened in like
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Speaker 1: five ten years. I don't know. Just seems kind of
38:12
Speaker 1: odd to me. But I hear you hugely influential, and
38:15
Speaker 1: I get it, and I love them too, and I
38:17
Speaker 1: understand their greatness. I get it. Just there's something about
38:21
Speaker 1: that the way it's being done rubs me the wrong way,
38:23
Speaker 1: and it probably working against them if we're being if
38:26
Speaker 1: we're being honest about it. But then again, we don't
38:28
Speaker 1: know how these things get decided, so who the fuck knows?
38:31
Speaker 1: All right, six one seven nine oh six six six
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Speaker 1: three eight, voicemail and text you guys want to get
38:36
Speaker 1: at me at disgrace, slam pod on the socials, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook,
38:42
Speaker 1: you how to do it. I'm gonna take a quick
38:44
Speaker 1: break and I'll be back in a flash with some recommendations.
39:03
Speaker 1: All right, we're back and I talked about this last week.
39:07
Speaker 1: Gonna start doing more recommendations. I know you guys like it.
39:10
Speaker 1: I like it. I like talking about what music I'm into.
39:13
Speaker 1: I like talking about what music and films combined get
39:17
Speaker 1: me going. I like talking about books. I'm reading movies,
39:19
Speaker 1: I'm watching all that stuff. But I've been thinking, I've
39:22
Speaker 1: been guys, this is gonna sound so fucked up. I
39:27
Speaker 1: don't even know how to start this. I've been listening
39:30
Speaker 1: to more new music that I have in the last decade,
39:37
Speaker 1: and I have a take on why, but I can't
39:41
Speaker 1: really articulate it yet. It has a lot to do
39:44
Speaker 1: with how I don't like how modern rock and modern
39:47
Speaker 1: guitar oriented music is produced in this sort of new
39:52
Speaker 1: age of production that we're into, where everything's kind of
39:54
Speaker 1: done in the box, so to speak. In the way
39:57
Speaker 1: things sound. It just sounds different from how I was raised,
39:59
Speaker 1: but going to get into that. However, I've sort of
40:03
Speaker 1: opened myself up a little bit to being very curious
40:08
Speaker 1: of modern pop music. And this is largely spun spun
40:15
Speaker 1: me out from there's spun out, I should say, and
40:17
Speaker 1: spun me out, spun out from me being on TikTok
40:20
Speaker 1: and scrolling through and hearing stuff. I'm like, what the
40:24
Speaker 1: fuck is that? That's good and you know it's new shit,
40:31
Speaker 1: but it's not new rock, and it's not new ponk
40:33
Speaker 1: or hardcore. It's like new fucking hip hop and Top forty.
40:37
Speaker 1: I know that sounds insane, mainly Top forty. I like
40:42
Speaker 1: the new Harry Styles American Girls song. I know some
40:45
Speaker 1: of you are vomiting in your mouth. I don't care.
40:47
Speaker 1: It's a good song and I can appreciate that song
40:51
Speaker 1: the same way that I could appreciate George Michael in
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Speaker 1: the nineties. I like, it's not that new, it's from
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. The Dochi song Denial is a River.
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Speaker 1: It's fucking incredible. Everything I've heard by her is incredible,
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Speaker 1: by the way, which is new. This is like the
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Speaker 1: last few days for me. But I can appreciate her
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Speaker 1: stuff in the same way that I can appreciate Salt
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Speaker 1: and Pepa from the eighties or en Vogue or something
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Speaker 1: like that, which I love Doja Cat same thing. You're
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Speaker 1: gonna think I'm nuts, but I can appreciate that shit
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Speaker 1: the same way I can appreciate Kanye stuff from like,
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Speaker 1: you know, the twenty tens or whatever. So I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying that like we're gonna do recommendations is gonna be
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Speaker 1: all new music. I'm not saying that, you know. In
41:38
Speaker 1: addition to I'm also like I've just have late onset
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Speaker 1: father John Misty appreciation. That's happened to me over the
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Speaker 1: last month. I've always kind of been curious and liked,
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Speaker 1: you know, what's a real love baby, that huge song.
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Speaker 1: But I've now I'm like, I'm deeper into the albums,
41:54
Speaker 1: and that makes sense. If I told you I was
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Speaker 1: getting into that that was kind of a new thing
41:57
Speaker 1: for me, even though he's not new, but a new
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Speaker 1: thing for me, guy would go, I gotta get that
42:02
Speaker 1: the dough chy stuff though, that makes no sense, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying again, I'm not saying that, like are
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Speaker 1: the recommendations We're gonna be doing it gonna be like
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Speaker 1: new pop music. But I'm just gonna be honest with
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Speaker 1: what I'm listening to and let you guys know. And
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Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing. You know, I'm being
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Speaker 1: turned on to new shit, filthy, some of it. Do
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Speaker 1: Chi stuff is filthy. It's great. Anyhow, We're gonna be
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Speaker 1: doing the res over in Zeth's Rap Party episodes because
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Speaker 1: these after parties are jammed and we used to do
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Speaker 1: them over there, and then we stopped for reasons I
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Speaker 1: can't remember. But we're gonna start doing them again over
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Speaker 1: They'll be over there, and uh, don't worry, you won't forget.
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Speaker 1: I'll remind you here in the after party. And the
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Speaker 1: best part of the recommendations is it cues up this
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Speaker 1: conversation with you guys, and you start to send us
42:56
Speaker 1: your recommendations, which is what we want. Six point seven
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Speaker 1: I know, sixt sixty six three eight, voicemail and text,
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Speaker 1: let us know what you're listening to, watching and reading.
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Speaker 1: TV sucks right now, guys, it sucks. I'm watching fucking
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Speaker 1: Love Story. Okay. TV blows at the moment. In my opinion,
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Speaker 1: I'm forcing myself to like this. Jason Bateman Slowburn DTF,
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Speaker 1: which I don't hate, but I mean, I just like,
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Speaker 1: I've given this thing, now what four hours of my life,
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Speaker 1: and I'm just mildly entertained. TV res give me the
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Speaker 1: TV res. Okay, great film res. I feel like movies
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Speaker 1: have come back. Movies are now what peak television was
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Speaker 1: ten years ago, or they're getting there. So we're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk about that stuff too in the recommendations. And as
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Speaker 1: you know, music and movies always a central topic for us.
43:46
Speaker 1: Some of you, if not all of you, know that
43:48
Speaker 1: we have a new video podcast called This Film Should
43:50
Speaker 1: be Played Loud and it is available the new episode. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you can hear it right now. It came out yesterday.
43:58
Speaker 1: You gotta be a Patreon member. Go to disgrace pod
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Speaker 1: dot com to sign up to become an all access member.
44:03
Speaker 1: We did Big Lebowski this month and it was a
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Speaker 1: lot of fun, great great movie with incredible music, one
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Speaker 1: of the greatest soundtracks from the nineties in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: and a movie where the music I believe changed the
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Speaker 1: trajectory of the Coen Brothers career. The music from The
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Speaker 1: Big Lebowski. And you'll hear why I think that, and
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Speaker 1: you'll hear Ze's thoughts as well, and Zeth is really
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Speaker 1: more of a film guy than I am, and his
44:30
Speaker 1: insights into soundtracks and scoring is pretty incredible and I
44:35
Speaker 1: always come away having learned something and I laugh pretty
44:37
Speaker 1: fucking hard when we do these, which is great. So
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Speaker 1: check that out. Next next month's episode is going to
44:43
Speaker 1: be on High Fidelity, which I know all of you
44:47
Speaker 1: love that movie, so that's coming up as well. Go
44:49
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44:52
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44:55
Speaker 1: the hollywood Land podcast so you can get the rap
44:58
Speaker 1: parties and all the recommendations I'll be doing over there
45:01
Speaker 1: with Zez, plus everything that Zeth has going on. He's
45:03
Speaker 1: we got three episodes pop it off a week over
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Speaker 1: in the Hollywoodland fees. So if you want more double
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Speaker 1: sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland on Apple podcasts, see iHeartRadio
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Speaker 1: app wherever you get your podcasts. Now, it is time
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've nailed one of these sixty second
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Speaker 1: to try right now. The other day, I was cruising
45:55
Speaker 1: around to YouTube on my couch with my youngest son,
45:59
Speaker 1: a years old, and we came across a CBS network
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Speaker 1: football promo from the nineteen seventies, and literally every single
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Speaker 1: piece of footage, every hit, every action shot from an
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Speaker 1: NFL game that they were using to promote their games
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Speaker 1: on CBS, every single one would now be an illegal
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Speaker 1: hit in today's NFL. My son's mind was blown. He
46:28
Speaker 1: literally was like, that's a penalty. You can't do it.
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Speaker 1: You can't do that, you can't now listen, He's not wrong.
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Speaker 1: Am I gonna pull the old guy card here and
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Speaker 1: rant about how football is this better back then? Was
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Speaker 1: it better back then? I can't really say. I don't
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Speaker 1: know it certainly wasn't healthier. I don't want my son
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Speaker 1: playing that game that was up there on that screen.
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Speaker 1: It was nuts. Do yourself as a favorite and google
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Speaker 1: this or search for this on YouTube. I should say
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Speaker 1: CBS NFL Sunday Sports promo. It'll come up in no time.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee it all to say I miss sports right now.
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Speaker 1: I got nothing. I got nothing. You know this. We're
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Speaker 1: in the dead zone. I guess I gotta turn my
47:06
Speaker 1: I gotta put my my frickin green teamer shirt on
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Speaker 1: here and get on the Celtics bandwagon as we head
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Speaker 1: into the postseason. But it's it's just where you know.
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Speaker 1: I'm watching. I'm watching seventies NFL promos on YouTube. Come on, man,
47:19
Speaker 1: what's wrong with me? Matt? How did I get eighty
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Speaker 1: nine seconds?
47:23
Speaker 2: Jake?
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Speaker 1: So, I guess it was a sixty second sports rant
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Speaker 1: our britpop conversation from earlier, but we got more on
47:53
Speaker 1: this subject, specifically, which iconic rockstars were nearly kidnapped by
48:00
Speaker 1: a British band of just complete in Total Criminals. We're
48:06
Speaker 1: gonna get into that. We're gonna get into love story
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Speaker 1: Damon and Justine. Okay, we're gonna get into that in
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48:28
Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome back. Let's uh, you know the archive.
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Speaker 1: You know the archive, Disgraceland Archive. What's the disgrace Land Archive. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's got two hundred and sixty plus episodes on tons
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Speaker 1: of artists that you know and love, and every week
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Speaker 1: I inevitably mentioned some of them, and it's a good
48:45
Speaker 1: jumping off point to clue you guys into the archive.
48:48
Speaker 1: We mentioned Oasis, The Clash, Sex Pistols, Generation X, Billy Idol,
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Speaker 1: Joy Division, and we have episodes on all of those artists.
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Speaker 1: Matt will grab the episode information put it in the
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49:04
Speaker 1: navigate to those stories. Should you want to hear them?
49:06
Speaker 1: And you should. You should want to hear them because
49:08
Speaker 1: if you know, if I say so myself, they're you know,
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Speaker 1: they're fucking awesome. Okay, listen, let's recap shat we Number
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Speaker 2: Seven.
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Speaker 1: Don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community,
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Speaker 1: a community the obsessed, and no one cares about music, books,
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Speaker 1: records and the crime and grime that ties them all together,
50:10
Speaker 1: like you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right.
50:14
Speaker 1: December second, two thousand and six, that's the day that
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Speaker 1: Mark Blanco stopped partying with Pete Daugherty and died in
50:21
Speaker 1: a well pretty sketchy way. And on that day, this
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Speaker 1: is what America was listening to, according to the Billboard Charts.
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Speaker 1: Number one I Want to Love You Acon featuring Snoop
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Speaker 1: Dogg last week seventeen peak positions one weeks on chart
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Speaker 1: number eight, Number two, Smack That Acon featuring eminem Pea
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Speaker 1: last week three two peak position peak two weeks on chart.
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Speaker 1: Weeks on number three, it replaced it last week hind
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Speaker 1: position peak position five seeks on chart three five weeks
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Speaker 1: on number four. My Love Justin Timberlake featuring t I
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Speaker 1: last week one, keep position one week's on a shot
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