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S4 E23 Old Lady Crimes · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Dad and back and then back then the untat.
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  Speaker 2: And the dam and.
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  Speaker 1: M A s.
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  Speaker 3: M h A.
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  Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to True Crime in Wine time.
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: I am Jay. We'll cut that out and post t
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  Speaker 1: and I'm here with my co host, I.
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  Speaker 3: Am Terry True Crime and it has already been an
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  Speaker 3: adventure tonight, so I think we're in for a fun night.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry if I confused everybody. They were like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: what show is this? Does this? But this other thing
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  Speaker 1: says that. About two minutes through the we're streaming soon,
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  Speaker 1: Terry sends me a message and goes says, why does
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  Speaker 1: it say the transcripts? I don't know. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was the right video, no idea, so we will get
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  Speaker 1: the right one up inside. I thought it was a
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  Speaker 1: really weird intro audio for that. I should have looked
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  Speaker 1: at the actual screen.
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  Speaker 3: That's okay, I, like I said, I won't take it personal.
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  Speaker 3: That you would prefer to be here all alone.
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  Speaker 1: And not have me is what you're telling me, Lama said.
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  Speaker 1: I wondered the same. You see, this is why we
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  Speaker 1: constantly need producer Tara here. That's that's what rat.
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  Speaker 3: This is what happens.
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  Speaker 1: I'm becoming inable. I got so happy with how how
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  Speaker 1: Amy did it the other night on Friday that I
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  Speaker 1: was barely forgot how to work this out. And Lady
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  Speaker 1: and Grace said, I figure JT started his whine a
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  Speaker 1: bit early. Not wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you're wrong, Lady and Gray, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna apologize up front. Jasper is in his crate having dinner,
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  Speaker 3: and he can hear my voice and he's being a
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  Speaker 3: little loud, so he's past. I guess he can't.
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  Speaker 1: Paul he I don't hear any of it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, good, he's fit, he's he's well, that's what I
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  Speaker 3: do in.
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  Speaker 1: The police are after me so hard.
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  Speaker 3: You hear. We haven't talked in a couple of days,
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  Speaker 3: like physically talked.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Uh busy, not busy, busy mostly channel
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  Speaker 1: stuff and podcast stuff and going to sleep at a
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  Speaker 1: semi reasonable hour, so which I know it's hard to believe,
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  Speaker 1: I know, for.
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  Speaker 3: You two in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I've I've been. I've you know, except for
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  Speaker 1: streaming nights. I've tried to get in bedded like ten,
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  Speaker 1: which is unheard of. So I must be broken, you
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  Speaker 1: must be well.
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  Speaker 3: I'm broken. And for those that were on midday. I
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  Speaker 3: did go and I now have pink and silver. Couldn't
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  Speaker 3: get all pink, and it is officially broken in two places.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll see the hand surgeon when I get back
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  Speaker 3: from France to see if it's all healing correctly or
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  Speaker 3: if they'll have to rebreak it and put little pins in.
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  Speaker 3: But at least it's pink.
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  Speaker 1: Told you, I told you you should have stopped the
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  Speaker 1: street fighting a while ago, you know, I think, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but if you see Terry's finger, you should you should
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  Speaker 1: see the other guy. That's well.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's funny is when the doctor looks at
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  Speaker 3: you and he goes, wait a minute. He goes, wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the last time I saw you was when you got
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  Speaker 3: cat scratched fever from your mother in law's house. He goes,
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  Speaker 3: my medical recommendation is you don't go near your mother
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  Speaker 3: in law And I was like, oh, she lives with me.
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  Speaker 1: Now did you tell him? Good luck?
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully the cats will bite me. I know my own windows.
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  Speaker 3: I shouldn't get injured. But at least it's pink and
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  Speaker 3: not ugly black.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, fair, fair, fair, well, you know what they say,
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  Speaker 1: Pink is the new black.
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  Speaker 3: Well as I told somebody yesterday, is there really any
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  Speaker 3: other color besides pink?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I suppose not. I don't know. The
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  Speaker 1: spectrum is is wide, but we could make it an
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  Speaker 1: all pink spectrum.
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  Speaker 3: That should be. But yeah, so look, I can now
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  Speaker 3: do this and not have to apologize. I can just say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: look at my fingers.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So we have a couple of news stories tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I am I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play the
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  Speaker 1: news thing simply because of what we're gonna go into
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  Speaker 1: after that video, because it's not really stupid news. But
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  Speaker 1: last night I had the displeasure on the transcript, which
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  Speaker 1: you saw the opening for earlier. Uh see, I was
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  Speaker 1: just I was just promoting with actually without a trailer.
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  Speaker 1: But I read the fourteenth page indictment along with some
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  Speaker 1: other documents that were unsealed regarding uh, you know, Sean Combs, Diddy, puff, daddy,
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  Speaker 1: pd love, all of his acronyms, and it was it
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  Speaker 1: was pretty bad. I know you were on the other
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  Speaker 1: side listening.
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  Speaker 3: So I had heard about it in the news, but
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't taken the time to like really look into
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  Speaker 3: it because I'm not a p Diddy fan never have been.
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  Speaker 3: But I was shocked, and I went back and watched
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  Speaker 3: today because since I needed to jump off to spend
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  Speaker 3: some time with Double H. I am truly shocked that
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  Speaker 3: this man was getting away with that crap for so
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  Speaker 3: long and people knew I.
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  Speaker 1: At least yeah, I mean, they track it back twenty
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  Speaker 1: but I'm sure it was going on longer than that.
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  Speaker 1: So in the fourteen pager, I'm not going to read
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  Speaker 1: it obviously because I did it last. You can check
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  Speaker 1: the video out. In fact, the link is in the
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  Speaker 1: description here if you're interested. But I'll just give you
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a summary. But Sean abuse threatened
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  Speaker 1: and coerced women and others around him. Some of the
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  Speaker 1: alleged incidents, which the indictment claimed, were carried out to
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  Speaker 1: fulfill his sexual desires, protecting his reputation, and conceal his conduct.
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  Speaker 1: It was terrible. Just to give you like five top things.
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  Speaker 1: The first one was the freak Offs, And if it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like a five year old came up with that name,
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  Speaker 1: it's because probably did. Anyways, they were elaborate and produce
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  Speaker 1: sex performances they would sometimes take. He would do these
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  Speaker 1: in hotel rooms or his house sometimes be as long
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  Speaker 1: as like multiple days. He would give these people drugs
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  Speaker 1: to keep them going. And by the end of it,
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  Speaker 1: because the exhaustion of how long it was, they would
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  Speaker 1: all like have IVS delivered and I just like and
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  Speaker 1: this was all. This was all done with basically coercion
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  Speaker 1: of women that he and on top of that, he
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  Speaker 1: often electronically recorded them also, Homeland Security.
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  Speaker 3: Did you have I thought that I saw somewhere because
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  Speaker 3: of course after watching I went and did I thought
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  Speaker 3: there was women and men that he was doing this too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he would the women that he coerced and
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  Speaker 1: basically forced to participate in these he would bring in
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  Speaker 1: male sex workers and they would have sex with the
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  Speaker 1: women and he would even fly them out sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: To where he was, which he was doing the act
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  Speaker 3: against the men.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and lady and Gray's right. He had many people
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  Speaker 1: a betting him as well, and those people are just
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  Speaker 1: as disgusting, and that is true. He also we had
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  Speaker 1: an idea that his homes in Beverly Hills and Miami
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  Speaker 1: were raided by Homeland Security. They found various freak ofugh supplies,
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  Speaker 1: including narcotics, more than one thousand bottles of baby oil
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  Speaker 1: and lubricant. They seized firearms and ammunition, including three AR
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  Speaker 1: fifteens with defaced serial numbers, as well as a drum magazine.
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  Speaker 1: Also did he was accused of arson several times throughout
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  Speaker 1: the indictment. There weren't further details on that, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure we will learn about that. There was a converse.
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  Speaker 1: There was a There was in the document mention of
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  Speaker 1: a guy who was into his quote unquote girlfriend. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you couldn't really call him that, I'll
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  Speaker 1: call her that really, I mean, with what he was
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  Speaker 1: doing to her, But apparently he was pissed that he
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  Speaker 1: showed interest, and so he either did it or had
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  Speaker 1: somebody else do it. I'm sure the second one basically
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  Speaker 1: cut a hole in the top of the retractable top
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  Speaker 1: of a car and drop a Molotov cocktail in there.
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  Speaker 1: And then the indictment talks about the video you may
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  Speaker 1: or may not have seen that that that was basically
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  Speaker 1: in a hotel, and it's did he doing completely egregious
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  Speaker 1: violent things to Cassie in the hallway in which he
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  Speaker 1: apparently later on tried to pay a member of the
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  Speaker 1: hotel security off so that we could just forget about it.
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  Speaker 1: And then finally the biggest, one of the biggest things.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is all big, but I'll just quote this.
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  Speaker 1: Members and associates of the Combs Enterprise engaged in and
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  Speaker 1: attempted to engage in, among other activities, sex trafficking, forced labor,
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  Speaker 1: interstate transportation for purposes of prostitution, coercion and enticement to
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  Speaker 1: engage in prostitution, narcotics offenses, kidnapping, arson, bribery, and obstruction
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  Speaker 1: of justice. The Enterprise referred to the organization's leadership, its members,
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  Speaker 1: and its associates, and everyone was just they knew about
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  Speaker 1: this and they did nothing. So not fun. If if
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  Speaker 1: you if you want to hear word for word what
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  Speaker 1: was said in the indict what was written in the indictment,
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  Speaker 1: the link is in the description and you can go
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  Speaker 1: check that out. It took off. It's like, got over
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty views already, so which is good
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  Speaker 1: for us. But I think it's important. I think the
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  Speaker 1: more that yeah, I don't want to talk about like
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to bring attention to him because he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't deserve it. But I think the more that we
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  Speaker 1: put it out there, the less chance he has of
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  Speaker 1: battling it. He had the balls to claim not guilty,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll see that is just.
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  Speaker 3: Beyond me.
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  Speaker 2: That.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he videoed it. You left a trail, dude.
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  Speaker 1: They seized over ninety phones and laptops and other electronic devices.
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  Speaker 1: He's they listen. The attorney's office, the state attorney's office
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  Speaker 1: or Southern District York's attorney's office would not come forward
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  Speaker 1: with this stuff if they did not have the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: You just might as well make a plea deal, dude.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think his ego will let him do
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  Speaker 1: it at all.
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  Speaker 3: I don't either. I do hope they take his money
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  Speaker 3: and give it to those victims.
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  Speaker 1: Before I really do too and at all on.
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  Speaker 3: You know, attorneys and things like that. I hope that
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  Speaker 3: federal government freezes his assets and divvies it up against
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  Speaker 3: because over twenty years, you know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people he.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and that's what That's also what the indictment
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  Speaker 1: says is anything that he has earned or gained from
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  Speaker 1: these criminal these these crimes, either during or after, are
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  Speaker 1: to be seized. And if they cannot seize them because
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  Speaker 1: they are sold or gone or whatever, they will take
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  Speaker 1: what bounce to that amount of money and take it
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  Speaker 1: from him. So he yeah, Bells is correct. Uh, they
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  Speaker 1: are taking all his stuff. Also, before I forget Amos,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for gifting five True Crime and
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  Speaker 1: Wine Time memberships. I opened up the page and it
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: looks like as Betty Ross not a drama lamb. But
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  Speaker 1: Angie Amy, you gifted Amos. You gifted yourself one. Uh
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  Speaker 1: Kimber's Ohio. Also uh uh welcome, welcome, welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: to the I don't know, Welcome to the vineyard. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I decided to say.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the vineyard. There's never anything wrong with the vineyard.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So that's p Diddy And so I think
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  Speaker 1: we should get into the last two stories that we have.
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  Speaker 1: You're the first one. Now I can play the video
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  Speaker 1: if you want me to. Now you can, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna play it. Face paint job. What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I don't watch the news because we've seen this doing everything.
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  Speaker 1: I mean every day. I think this kid taps out
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  Speaker 1: on the floor people wanted to be It's just like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you get the best barrels ever, Dude, just like I'm
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  Speaker 1: out here. Uh, what's what's the best kind of firework
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  Speaker 1: to buy. Wouldn't you like to know? Weather boy? Where
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  Speaker 1: are your parents?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I have to tell you, I just saw this comment,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't have my glasses on. I think it's
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: stetty ross that I hope if they take his plane
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  Speaker 3: that they don't allow it to go into circulation like
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: they did with Epstein's. Because I don't know if.
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  Speaker 1: You heard the I did.
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  Speaker 3: Trump used a charter service to go to one of
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  Speaker 3: his events and he flew on Jeffrey Epstein's plane. Can
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  Speaker 3: you imagine if that happens again and they want he
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  Speaker 3: winds up flying on p diddies.
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  Speaker 1: So, in the letter that was written by the defense attorney,
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  Speaker 1: this is you're right. I think the plane is a
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  Speaker 1: crime scene for sure. I I don't know how successful
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: it would be to look into it. However, in the
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  Speaker 1: letter from the defense attorney to the judge, it's it
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  Speaker 1: portrayed Sean. I refuse to call him diddy at this point.
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  Speaker 1: It portrayed Sean as this selfless man who decided to
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  Speaker 1: come back to New York towards where the crime where
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  Speaker 1: they're going to arrest him. He's planning on doing all
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  Speaker 1: this bullshit. But it did also mention that he was
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  Speaker 1: in the midst of selling his plane and that it
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  Speaker 1: was in New Jersey for a charter, and that there
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: were two letters of intent possible to sell it. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that that, you know, it's a good point
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  Speaker 1: that you all brought up, is he's got trying to
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  Speaker 1: get rid of it. His defense attorney's trying to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of it, and I really think the judge should
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  Speaker 1: block that and hold on to it. True.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed, So well, now we'll get into my news
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  Speaker 3: story because my new story, believe it or not, you're
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  Speaker 3: the darker person tonight, So I'm going to reach all
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  Speaker 3: the headline. Missing girl ate found safe after driving mom's
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  Speaker 3: car to target, and police said we did let her
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  Speaker 3: finish her frappuccino, But this eight year old girl came
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  Speaker 3: clean and told them she did hit a mailbox at
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  Speaker 3: one point during her drive.
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  Speaker 1: Still a better driver than most, but.
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  Speaker 3: They are not going to charge her with driving without
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  Speaker 3: a license or for stealing her parents' car.
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  Speaker 1: And that girl is just living her best life and
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  Speaker 1: she is doing what we all might have wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do early on.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I'm like what I mean that what's wrong
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  Speaker 3: with go and get a frappuccino.
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  Speaker 1: Lom asked if it was in Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: I believe it was in Ohio because my first thought was, well,
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  Speaker 3: maybe she was trying to make sure her pets were
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  Speaker 3: safe and not going to be eaten. But no, but
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  Speaker 3: it was in Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: You I mean, did you wait, wait, wait, did you
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  Speaker 1: hear what did you hear about? Where that came from?
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  Speaker 1: Though ultimately no came from a random Facebook post of
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  Speaker 1: somebody that posted when their friend's sister or their friend's
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  Speaker 1: friend had lost their cat and thought that they saw
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  Speaker 1: the the a family that lived next to them, who
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  Speaker 1: happened to be Haitian. Take the cat. Now four days
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  Speaker 1: now now they pulled this. They number one, this is
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy that was pushed by Nazis literal Nazis in
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  Speaker 1: that area. But number two, there was a police report. However,
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  Speaker 1: four days later the cat was found in the basement
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  Speaker 1: of the same person's house, perfectly fine. And so one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite things about this is Stephen Colbert said
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  Speaker 1: it the other night. He said the cat's name was
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Miss Sassy, and so you know it's not really you know, now,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: both the old cat ladies and the old and the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: lady cats are all against. It's just the fact that
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  Speaker 1: a meme Nazis and a and a police report that
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: was no longer evident spurred this this this, this conspiracy
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: theory that's not true, that was doubled down on, that
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  Speaker 1: caused bomb threats at schools, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: Is just gross. No matter what your politics are. This
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: is a conversation above the two sides. Uh, don't, don't,
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  Speaker 1: don't do that. If we did that, you and I
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  Speaker 1: would be canceled and spur spurned and and dropped off
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  Speaker 1: the face of this earth.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing that kills me. I was telling double
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  Speaker 3: hs this the other day. There's a group of people
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  Speaker 3: that think if they see something on the internet, it
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  Speaker 3: must be factual and they think are real. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and that's the scarier thing to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no media literacy today, nuns. But anyways, so
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  Speaker 1: she got her frappuccino.
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  Speaker 3: Huh, she did get her frappuccino. And I just want
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  Speaker 3: to know, and I cannot find anywhere. I want to
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  Speaker 3: know how much grounding she got or what the parents
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  Speaker 3: did to punish her.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I would literally I would end up being like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even mad, I'm just impressed. You can drive
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  Speaker 1: us wherever you want now.
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  Speaker 3: So she got caught because somebody saw They thought it
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  Speaker 3: was a drunk driver, because she was all over the road,
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  Speaker 3: she wasn't staying in her lane. And then the guy
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  Speaker 3: pulled up and he goes, oh shit, it's a kid driving,
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  Speaker 3: and so followed to the target. I was impressed that
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: she found target.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not a testament to her driving, it's a
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  Speaker 1: testament to the driving of the others around her.
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  Speaker 3: Correct They defensively drove well. And then my next question
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: is how did she get money to pay for that frappuccino?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Did she take money out of mom's car, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the little place where you put your chain.
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  Speaker 1: I bet she has the app?
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  Speaker 3: Oh the app? She's eight.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Well, she might have the app and and and and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Guardian might load it with a certain amount for when
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  Speaker 1: she's with her friends. Yes, she's eight, but that's just
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  Speaker 1: where we live now. I would never do it. My
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  Speaker 1: son's eight and the thought of him behind the wheel
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  Speaker 1: of my vehicle is horrifying. Now, I can't eight year
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  Speaker 1: old horrifying.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is horrifying. I have to tell you what
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: one of the Bedford police guys said. He goes, well,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I finally found a woman who's more who's in more
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: of a hurry to shop at Target than my wife.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: And then he said, sir, you were.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, he said, not sure what she bought or if
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: she was even able to use her Target app to
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: save five percent.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Buffy said, she bets you get the gift card for Christmas. Amen. Honestly,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not so worried about her punishment. I'm more worried
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: about that guy who talked about his wife on local
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: news's punishment because he about to get it about it.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: But I mean, as a parent, I thought about it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what kind of punishment would I give for
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: that you? I mean, I don't know what you would do.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I mean besides a very stern talking to about why
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: it's not good and maybe a trip to the morgue
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: to see somebody who died in a wreck or something
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: so they know how dangerous it is.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I could never keep a straight face during that conversation.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: It wouldn't either. I wouldn't either. So that was my
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: news story of the day.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Well, my last one's very quick, and it bounces off
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of my previous one. Obviously, the indictment came out and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: fifty cent, who has notably had a feud with Sean,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: which I would like to say it finally, fifty cent
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: has come out on top in this one. But he
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: trolled Sean in a tweet that he sent out. It's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: picture of him dressed to the nines looking real good,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: right next to Drew Barrymore, and his post says here,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I am keeping good company with Drew Barrymore and I
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: don't have one thousand bottles of Loube at the house
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: just which is funny because Sean can't read it anyways,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: because he's in jail because his bail was denied, so
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: you know, unless he kept unless he brought a phone
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: in his prison pocket, which honestly as possible. I call
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that the ultimate freakoff.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I sick say I would call it freakoff.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess there. Since Combs has started having his
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: legal issues, the feud reignited with him and fifty cent,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: and that he vowed to produce a documentary about the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: situation called quote did he do It? Which I think
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: is hysterical, which awesome. Also also I just want to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: share this. This is the face. This is the face
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of a man who knows that he's won. That's the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: face of a man who knows that he has one.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Truly just insane.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: You know, yests.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Just the shit eating grin. He knows what's up here.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Here's he was. I'm telling you what Fiddy can dress.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: He can dress, he be nazzy. I mean he has money.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I think it just came out a little while ago
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that he's close to he's close to a billion dollars
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in net worth when he was having a I know
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: he was having financial troubles at one point, but he's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: close to a billion.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I think, wow, ye yeah, I can't even comprehend how
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: much money that would be. It's too man easier rose
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: for me. I would have to bath.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I can't billion math, so I can't billion math.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I saw that we're about to have.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Our heart trillionaire. Good, throw him off a boat. Take
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: his money. He doesn't need it, all right? So, uh,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: do you want to tell us what you're drinking tonight?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I am drinking. So DOUBLEH bought me one of these
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: for our anniversary, and I've fallen in love with it.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: So I bought more move DuVernay. It's because it was
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: still one hundred degrees in Texas today, it's still hotter
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: than Hades.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Nope, nope, And I'm.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Going to just have to say, Buffy, she said, do
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: you think he'll own p de Any some money? Yeah,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I am going to go record saying no, not happening.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: And yeah, right not. He won't even give him thirty
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: five cents. Nope, not happening. My my, my wine of
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: choice is the same as it was the last time,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: just because I still have it. Uh, it's that phronsie
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: dark and luscious, dark luscious. I want to be dark
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and lust that it's a dark red blend and it
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be refrigerated, which means that I don't
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: have to remember to refrigerate it. And my ADHD really
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: appreciates that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, all I'm going to say is, don't keep it
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: for a year and still think you can drink it
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: like you did.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Yeah, this will be done soon. It will
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: be done soon. We're doing much more streaming these days. Well,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and if anything streaming is for driving one to drink,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. It is it is.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: You weren't on midday missing Wednesday. But I had to
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: explain to people that I'm not drinking wine when I
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: do midday missing at lunchtime because somebody sent me a
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: DM asking about me day drinking all the time because
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I sparkling water out of a plastic stimulus wine glass,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and I had to explain, no, I am not drinking
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: wine on Monday and Wednesdays at noon. People, I do
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: not need to go to risin'.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just extra and like bubbly water. I just I
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: just ex.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I have to tell you my lady in my case,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: she's extra tonight.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh does does this episode contain graphic content,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: adult language and might not be suitable for all listeners?
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Are JT and Terry on Live.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Good? Point point taken, So everybody, this episode contains graphic content,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: adult language and might not be suitable for all listeners.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And we're gonna go ahead, and I think get into it, and.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Terry might flip you off, but just don't take it personal.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: She's just showing you her cute little finger, right right right.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: So guys, my case, it is a story that almost
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: seems too surreal to believe. I did not believe it
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: at first. I really thought it was a joke and
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: a hoax. An eighty six year old woman has been
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: charged in Cane with a brazen bank robbery attempt in
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: West Philadelphia.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: He's born and raised and was where I spend most
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of my days. Now it's stuck in everybody's heads.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: But guys, her name is Emily Cochley. She's a senior citizen. Obviously,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: she's eighty six. She relies on a walker for mobility. Okay.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: She now faces charges of aggravated assault, robbery, and violation
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: of the Uniform Firearm Act, terroristic threats, and other related offenses,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: according to authorities.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I do want to say that if I saw a
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: cabal of eighty older women pushing towards me slowly a walker,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I would be more scared than any other terrorist. It's
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: all I'm saying. The the smell of petuli, possibility that
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I'll have to eat Werthers for the rest of my
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: life and or wear new balance. I'm out.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: But guys, what's interesting. Despite the gravity of the charges,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: she was released on her own recognance, and I agree
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: with the public wondering. I mean, she may not be
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: a flight risk, but shouldn't she at least spend one
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: night in jail. I mean, she's not too old to
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: learn a lesson and to have consequences.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's her letter of intent. Maybe it's her letter
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of intent for Dinny's plane. Okay, I'm sorry, it's funny.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: So it was a quiet Tuesday evening, right, and it
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: was a typical day at the TD Bank at thirty
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: eighth in Market. But the quietness was shattered when Cochley
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: entered the bank. Now, she calmly approached the counter and
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: brandished a revolver, but she did it quiet, guys, we
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: have to be respected. She demanded four hundred dollars from tellers,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: believing that the bank had shorted her during a previous withdrawal.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Ma'am, you could just walk in and that can say, hey,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: No, she had to bring a revolver. Okay, So and
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: they said what unfolded next, they said, was nothing short
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: of astonishing. So, surrounded by police officers and pushing her walker,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Cookley was escorted out of the bank in handcuffs. Could
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: you just picture how do you push your walker if
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: your hands are in handcuffs? I mean, did they just
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: handcuff your.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Now? I guess they handcuffed her in front and she
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: was able to push. I don't know, it's a good question.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But one customer said it was mind
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: blowing because they said, I've never heard of a bank
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: robber that age and armed, and she looked just like
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: a sweet little grandma. So but they did say it
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: was a tense situation because officers, I mean, she's eighty
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: six with a gun. She is still brandishing a weapon. Okay,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: but they said she the officers who were first on
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: the scene, they arrested her without any incident. Okay, But
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: they did say despite her advanced age, they do understand
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: the seriousness of her actions, right, I mean, she had
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: a gun. What if she would have accidentally discharged it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Don't think she's discharged much lately. That firm regret saying that.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, though, but they said what's even more bizarre is
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: that she only wanted the four hundred dollars she felt
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: she had been short of the day before. She didn't
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: want anymore. She only wanted what was rightfully hers and
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: sock who Beth says, Granny's got a gun.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Grannie's got a gun. Granny's got a gun.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: The guys, they said, she returned to that bank armed
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: and she was ready to take matters into her own hands.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Nobody was going to keep her four hundred.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Dollars, but she had a lot of tickets to buy.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: She did.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Her family, who arrived at the scene while she was
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: being held, tried to console her, but she was upset,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: you know. But other bank customers were like, somebody could
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: have gotten shot, even accidentally. So you have to be
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: concerned because people bring in their kids. I mean, I
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: wonder if she got a lollipop.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: No, you can't do a lollipopp it gets stuck on
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the dentures. You gotta werthers all the way.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Man. So they called the FBI in because it is
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: a bank robbery that falls under FBI purview. And they
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: called in and they were examining the thirty eight caliber
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: revolver that she brought with her. The gun was found
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: to be unloaded, but she did have bullets in her handbag.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Jesus, can you imagine her being.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Like, hold on, I gotta hit these bullets.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: She just reaches in her Mary Poppins fucking steamer bag
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: and it's just like shoulder deep in there trying to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: grab one.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: So they said, raised the stakes of this already very
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: unusual case, I mean, And so the money that she
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: demanded was confiscated and taken into evidence as part of
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: the investigation. She was led away in handcuffs, leaving behind
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: a scene of disbelief and concern. Because I have to
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: tell you, I've seen a lot of crazy things. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: don't know what I would think if I was at
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: the bank and I saw them taking out an eighty
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: year old grandma in handcuffs with her walker.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Oh god, it would have made it would have been
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: so much better if she had the revolver in one hand.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: That's not better, but and mace and the other. And
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the first policeman that came up, she was just like, ah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Now. She was given a plea deal. Okay, she pled
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: guilty to reduce charges of possession of an instrument of
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: a crime and simple assault.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, lady, and Gray said, an FBI agent goes home, honey,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: let me tell you about my day.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would be a good win. So, in
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: a plea deal that took into account her health issues
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: and the fact that the gun was not loaded, she
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: was sentenced to one year of non reporting probation, the
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: more serious charges of robbery and theft were withdrawn, allowing
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: her to avoid a harshal penalty. Now, the case of
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Emily Cokeley serves sadly as a sobering reminder of the
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: complexities and unexpected turns that can occur in the pursuit
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: of customer. So, and as one bank customer said, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: doubt this is going to be a repeat offense. So
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: this led me down the hole. Oh no, oh, no,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Harry went down a rabbit hole. Because I was intrigued
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: at the idea of an olderly person robbing a bank,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: so I decided to look into it. The oldest person
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: on record to rob a bank was JJ Red Rowntree,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: who is ninety one years old, when he robbed the
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: first American bank in Abilene, Texas, in August two thousand
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: and three. Okay, so they said his story. You know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: the public was interesson not just because of his age,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: but because it defied the typical image of a bank robber.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: But guys more recently, yeah, last summer, an eighty three
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: year old named Donald Bennett, along with his fifty five
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: year old accomplice, Edward Bennert, embarked on a spree of
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: bank robberies. The duo managed to invade Capture for several
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: months before finally being apprehended on Valentine's Day of this year.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: How hard is it to catch a Cadillac going like
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: twenty under I don't understand.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know. So in April of this year, and Mayors,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: another senior citizen walked into the Our Group credit union
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: and demanded money. Shortly after the robbery, she was arrested
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: and explained to the police that she was desperate to
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: pay back friends and family. Anne had fallen victim to
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: an online scam, losing seventy thousand dollars to a man
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: she met online who she had been sending money to
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: over time.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Not cool.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: So she tried to rob the credit union because she
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: got scammed and robbed from so she tried to drop
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: the bank to pay it back. She was robbing Peter
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: to pay Paul.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: So, but guys, this made me think about the vulnerability
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: of some of the olderly individuals because it makes them
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: more susceptible to scams. But also I don't think they
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: understand that the banking system doesn't quite work like it
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: used to. Like a couple of weeks ago, my mother
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: in law gave me a check and asked me to
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: go to the bank and deposit it for her. And
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I looked at her and I said, well, you know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: you can just use your phone, right And she goes, well,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: how to check with the phone? And then I showed
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: her and she was like, Oh, stuff's really changed, hasn't it.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: You didn't know you were going to be her savior
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and Chris Angel at the same time.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I don't just a magician, just a magician, okay. Also
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: this year, a seventy five year old man in Pensacola, Florida,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: attempted to rob a bank using a knife, and he
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: was caught outside the bank doors. His attempts at thefts
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: were thwarted before he could make his escape. So this
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: is scary and interesting.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what they say about Florida, it's a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: lot like California with an STD with.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Guys. Law enforcement have reported a noticeable increase and the
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: number of elderly individuals being charged with bank robberies in
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: recent years. That's scary, ah, they said. This trend raised
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: this is the question, why are more elderly people turning
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: to such drastic measures. Several factors might be contributing to this.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: One is financial hardships. Many elderly individuals live on fixed
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: incomes that may not keep pace with the rising cost
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: of living, medical expenses, in debt, and sadly face with
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: these they are driven to desperate measures like bank robbery
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: or like Emily, she felt they owed her four hundred
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: dollars and she didn't think if she just went in
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: there and asked and explained it to them, that they
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: would do anything that she wouldn't be listened to. So
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: it's kind of scary, right, I mean, it is right.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: They also say their cognitive decline can impair their judgment,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: leading to poor decision making. And guys have to tell you,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not in my eighties and I still make poor decisions.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: So can you imagine what I'm going to be like
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: when I'm eighty six.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be reading a story on this.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I'm like, think about it. I can't go anywhere without
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: breaking something, falling off a ladder. I'm going to be
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: one of those, literally, right, literally. So They also say
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: the influence of media and pop culture can't be discounted.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Stories of elderly individuals committing crimes often capture headlines, sometimes
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: glamorizing the act or portraying it as a rebellious last hoorah,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: and they think this could unintentionally inspire other senior citizens
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: to follow suits.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: There's an underground ring of elderly robbers and they just
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: share their winds and their fails.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that is my case. I like I said,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I really thought it was a joke, and then to
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: see that it's happening more and more, I am scared
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: of what I'm going to be like when I'm eighty six.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Now I'm scared.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I had no comment. You're you're you're either going to
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: be limber and on a pole or teaching somebody to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: be on a pole, or you're gonna be Robin Bnks
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: one of the two.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I figured I'm considering. You know, I do cover
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: true crime. I'll be helping people hide bodies. Maybe, Oh
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: will that be fine?
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Not there? Not there? You put it over here? Over here?
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: No?
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: No, five ft to the left, no, no move the barn,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: non dig And it's just you sitting in a chair
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: with lemonade, being.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Like, why the hell would I be drinking lemonade? Give
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: me wine?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, well you're eighty six.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know. At eighty six, I should get as
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: much wine as I want.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, we'll just we'll just put a we'll put a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: main line in just like right here.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Amy Banks, right, I will still be in pink, so
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: it will all be good.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: All good, Oh good, it will all be well.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: It's my case. It wasn't dark at all. It was
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: very unusual for me.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe I should have been mine first because
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: we're going in dark, shall we? I think we shall.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Let's do it, Okay, So first off, the story, I'm
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: gonna say this, the story was challenging to piece together.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Most sources were in Russian. However, the story was hard
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to piece together for Lady in Gray because I will
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: say this, this is one of the first ever scripts
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that somebody else has researched and written for me. I
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: have never had this happen. However, nailed it. So I
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: just want to say thank you for researching and writing
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: the script. It's a wonderful job. You all will enjoy
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: hate enjoy it, if you know what I mean.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: And I am going to say, Lady and Gray, it
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: was so lovely hearing JT say, yeah, I got home,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh crap, my script. He goes
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: in for the first time. It was done and it
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: was ready. I was like, JT, how does it feel
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: to be ahead of the game. He looked like he
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: looked like a little kid on Christmas morning. He is
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: a little sparkley. He was like, hey, good boy, So
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: thank you.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, other than other than adding some
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: some bits and pieces that were just extraneous and some
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: jokes and stuff, I mean, it's all. It's all what
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: she wrote, so I appreciate it. My case tonight is
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: about uh Tamara Samsonova and uh she is also known
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: as the Granny Ripper. She's never had any kids, but
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: she's and on top of that, she's known as Bobby Yaga,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: which is Slavic lore. She's a witch er supernatural being.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so okay, I'm gonna stop your Are we
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: about to talk about a granny who's a killer?
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Huh and more?
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna have your psal wind for that. I
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: didn't think this night.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Hopefully I added enough jokes. But all right, so this
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: is obviously quite the story and it's truly a dark
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: corner of humanity. And I hope to present it to
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: you with just enough sarcasm to keep you from crying
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: into your wine. It's like I knew I was. Yeah, uh,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: you know. It's sucks so much to drink water down wine.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: We've done it in the past, But tonight we have
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: a heck of a story for you. Quite Just buckle up,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: because we're gonna be diving into the life of Tamara Samsonova,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: also known as the Granny Ripper. And yes, if you
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: think that sounds like a rejected character from Scooby Doo, wooooo,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: you're not far off like Scoob.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: She was.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Scrappy doo, just your typical Russian, right, she was just
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: your typical Russian grandmother. If your typical grandmother happens to
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: moonlight it as a cannibalistic serial killer with a love
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: for dismemberment, you know, the kind that makes her own
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: borsh and might serve a side of you get the idea,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: whoa whoa whoa canaballistic serial killer? How old is this?
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Late old enough to know better? We'll get there, So
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: grab your knitting needles, just be careful with them, and
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: let's unravel the twisted tale of Samsonova. The world's least
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: likely grandma to babysit your kids. In terms of her
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: early life, Samara mitrofov fan No, hold on, hold on,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I had this the other day, okay. Samara Mitrofanovna Sansanova
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: was born on April twenty fifth, nineteen forty seven, in
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: the city of uzer use Her, which is now part
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: of the Kresnoyarsk cry in Siberia, Russia. My mouth didn't
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: know what it was doing there.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Her birth more wine, is the same day as my
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: mother in law.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: No, it's not, it is. Are you serious, Ah, this
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: is not a mail order bride you want to bring over.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Just to give you an idea, Krasnoyarsk Kry is right
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: in the middle of Siberia. It splits it in half.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: It occupies nearly half of the Siberian Federal District, which
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: stretches nineteen hundred miles. If you say, but it's cold there,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: you'd be right. The average temperature in January is negative
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: thirty two point eight degrees fahrenheit in the north and
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: a balmy negative zero point four degrees fahrenheit in the south.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: In the summer, it's forty one to fifty in the
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: north and sixty eight in the south. So you know, cold,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: like get frostbite on your dick cold, which a remember
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the royal family knows about, So I'll warm it up
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: for him, all right. Fine that it was nineteen forty seven,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't a particularly good year for Russia or
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: really you know, the entire Soviet Union. In nineteen forty six,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: there had been a nationwide famine, resulting in the deaths
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: of one hundred and fifty to three hundred thousand people.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: This was caused by several things. One World War two
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: resulting in massive infrastructural and agricultural damage. Two the drought
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of nineteen forty six, which was the worst since eighteen
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: ninety one. Three and over zealous Soviet government and its
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: determination to advance economic reform. They reduced eligibility to ration
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: cards and raised food prices at the same time, a
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: good job. And four to avoid looking weak, because we
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: would never want to look weak, the Soviet government continued
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: food exports and declined to seek international assistance. There there
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: should really be a study. I know we've done. I
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: know there have been plenty of studies out there on machismo,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: but we need to talk about that in a Ordans
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: to Russia and how that has really failed them, and
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: it's not been like individual personal machismo, it's like governmental
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and it's ridiculous. So, in short, it was a shit show.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: In addition, Winston Churchill warned of an upcoming iron quote
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: iron curtain descending on Europe, and the Truman Doctrine was
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: introduced into the world, and for those playing the home game,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't really know much about this, but the doctrine
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: pledges American support for democracies against authoritarian threats and originated
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: with the primary goal of countering the growth of the
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Soviet Bloc during the Cold War. It also suggested It
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: also suggested that a film should be made that was
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: a psychological comedy drama depicting the story of Truman Burbank,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: a man who was unaware that he was living in
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: his entire life in a colossal sounds that's with Jim
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Carrey and I got confused, my It's okay. I messed
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to the messed up the delivery of it myself. So
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: in addition to all of this, the Soviet government began
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: to take control of even more of the industry and
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: farmland and you know. In terms of Tammer's parents, there's
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: not much that's known about them, and in one article,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: her father was said to be a police officer and
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: always carried a weapon. Wink wink, No what a me
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Uh, but inquiring minds do wish
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: to know what kind of weapon?
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Was it?
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: A gun, a knife, a hatchet, a weasel, an old
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: single cat? Lady don't know who knows? Just a weapon?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: The I'm supposed to read these out, so I will.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Terry True Crime said I might need to switch to
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: vodka tonight. Yes, I just the local.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I just messaged double H and said, I think I
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: need a Marketini.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: So what's happening? The local industry for the town was
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: and is, so move over, Pauladine. They're getting into butter.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: It is possible that Tamra even worked in the local
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: industry prior to graduating from high school. Today there are
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: less than twenty thousand people living in that area. But
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: then again, who wants to live in Siberia where the
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: winters are like a bad relationship where it keeps telling
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: you it's over, but somehow it always comes back, and
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: where the weather forecast is bring a jacket for eleven
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: months of the year and bring a heavier jacket for
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the twelfth. So I'm glad they're gone, all right. So,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: after graduating high school, she entered the elite Moscow State
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Linguistic University. She apparently became somewhat fluent in both German
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: and English, and this multi lingual ability aided her in
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: various jobs. And she wrote her diary in all three languages.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: And I I tried keeping a diary in three different languages.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: You know. In Russian she wrote about her feelings, In
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: English she wrote about her romantic events, and in German
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: she just yelled at herself the whole time. So she
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: she moved to Leningrad now Saint Petersburg after her university graduation.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: There is no information about if she ever went back
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: to her hometown, even for a visit. She held a
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: variety of jobs. One of her one of the earliest
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: positions was missionary. Sorry, was reported as being in a kindergarten. Sorry,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I just threw that in there. It's not even in
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: the script, but she was reported as working in a kindergarten,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: which what. She also reportedly worked at a hospital for
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: a time, but it isn't known what her position was,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: and I hope they threw in a closet like a
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: fraggle and she didn't have any contact with patients. Other
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: sources say she also worked as a blacksmith for a time,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: which what in the hell could that have been like?
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: So that sounds fun, she said, yeah, I mean.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: It does sound like fun, like I immediately go to
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: like Game of Thrones. I think that's cool. But also
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: working in a Siberian blacksmith with Tamara Samsonova does not
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: sound like a little fun.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Well, but so she likes many different positions. It sounds
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: like because she's multi.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: It sounds like that. She does sound like a lot
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: of fun. But yeah, uh. Several years she worked for
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the in Tours travel agency and the Grand Hotel Europe
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: in a position of floor manager, which is probably like
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: a concierge or someone who looks over others walking by,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: like office space, asking about TPS forums And now I
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: just thought about a floor manager where maybe it's like
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: a hoe down and your sister hits the floor, So
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: maybe she's you know, it's just a maybe floor manager.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Uh,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: this story happens way too close to present day for
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: me to be making all these jokes. But here we are.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Several sources reported that she later all also told, also
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: sold Western jeans and sweaters, and she obtained them from
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: foreign visitors who stayed in the hotel. This was probably
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: extremely lucrative during the eighties and nineties, as Western clothing
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: jeans in particular, were frowned upon by the Soviet authorities,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: so it might have been a little dangerous to do
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: as well, so a little rebellious.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Did she steal them from the guest or did she
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: ask if she could have I don't know.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I wonder if she like grabbed them from guests that
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: left them, or if she bought them cheap and then
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: sold them expensive. I don't have that one so she
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: but I will say this she sold the clothing right
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: out of her apartment, which was on the first floor
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: of her building. Later she stopped selling the clothing and
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: switched to selling vodka out of her apartment. I mean,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: how Russian, right, how russian? She really should have been
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: stall and pooting her butt on a seat and just chilling.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: But here we are. I love the Russian puns. The
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: only thing that could make selling vodka out of your
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: apartment more Russian is if she did it in a
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: track suit with a frown and handed the vodka over
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and a bucket of ice and snow wrapped in a
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: paper patterned with snow and covered with actual snow and ice,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: coming with a side of borsch that is actually all
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: encased in Russian nesting dolls. I actually, I mean, listen, rust,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. I just thought about this in
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: my brain. My brain's a weird place. But the majority
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: of our audiences women, can you can you imagine a
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: rust a Russian nesting dildo. I'm just saying, I'm gonna
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: have to go back to I'm gonna have to go
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: back to training hrs.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see you in the morning in
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: their office.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Probably that that's not what she saw, though I totally
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: watched the plot. Okay, lady and great good timing trigger.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: So it seems she had like around five or six
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: jobs throughout her life, but she never stayed more than
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: three years at any of them, and when she retired
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: she had a total of sixteen years work experience. She
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: was described as a pensioner. But the question is what
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: kind of pension would a person have with only sixteen
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: years of experience. I don't know. I don't I don't know.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Sixteen the first she worked.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Was about it? The first really reliable what hmm.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out how that works. I've
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: worked more than sixteen years. Why can't I retire?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: This is not mother Russia. You are going to forfeit
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: many freedoms if you do move there. But you could
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: have pension or pension? Have you one of twopen the friend.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: The first really reliable information on hers from nineteen ninety six,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: when at the age of forty nine, she went to
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: a psychiatrist. We'll discuss this more in a bit, but
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: it is believed that she had schizophrenia and had been
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: previously hospitalized three times before in psychiatric hospitals. Before we
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: discuss her crimes, though, believe it or not, we need
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: a little background into the We need a little background
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: into the occult in Russia. There are so many layers
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: of this year. God bless you, lady and Gray because
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: you are on not only a bunch of US lists,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: you are definitely on their lists.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Is sick say? I think the NSA is now watching
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: every search she does on the internet. Her phone is
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: being tapped and listened to. Yes, she is on multiple
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: less has her name.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you for your sacrifice. I will give you the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: purple nesting dildo heard award. Okay, so uh. The belief
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: system heavily influenced the media coverage of her case and
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: how the population thought of her. But you know, the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: occult influences the media, which influences the population. Though it
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: seems to be a tale as old as time right. Unofficially,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: the quote state religion in Russia is Russian, a Russian
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Orthodox brand of Christianity. But until the tenth century, the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Slavic population was Pagan. This changed with the Prince of Kiev,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Vladimir hold On Vladimir Saya Toslavich, otherwise known as the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Great not the Impaler. Very different, so don't confuse them.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: It's a different situation. Anyways, vlad converted to Christianity. So
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: because he converted to Christianity, everyone else did. Now he converted.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Believe this or not. He converted to marry a military
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: alli's daughter. Uh wow uh, But it seems although he
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: did that, it seems like he practices faith a little
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: like Solomon by starting a support group for overworked scribes
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: forced to keep track of his eight hundred wives and concubines.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine? Can you imagine the calendar
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: invites for that family reunion? Right? Who's got Who's got
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Thursday with Vlad? No? No, I have Thursday your Friday?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Remember it? Just wow? Something else? Uh. Notably, despite centuries
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: of anti religious communism, according to a twenty seventeen survey,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: seventy one percent of Russians considered themselves to be Russian
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Orthodox even if they didn't attend church. Having said that
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: a large majority of rural Russians still believe in the occult,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: and in the past, while they have attended church on Sunday,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: the rest of the week is pure hogwarts practicing spells
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: and potions, you know, Jesus in the streets and Granger
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: in the sheets or yeah, a little bit of that.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: If you got that, I salute you. It is very calm.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: A lady in grays like I didn't write any of
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: this shit. She did not, not all the jokes, listen
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: the shitty jokes or mine the good ones she put in.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: It's very common in Russia for the citizens to believe
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: in the Orthodox teachings, but still higher healers for their
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: health and other needs. All of these beliefs only fed
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: the fiery rumor that Tamara Tomora Sansnova Samsonova was a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: cannibalistic witch. Up to and including today, many Russians believe
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: that any personal misfortune, including job loss, ill health, crop failure,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: death of livestock, death of a person, or impotence can
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: be attributed to witchcraft, which peaky blinders aunt paully kind
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: of a vibe, although also like I ain't seen jd
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Vance blame it on witchcraft just yet, just as couch
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: so well, who knows uh, And that's the most political
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I'll ever get. To combat this, peasants would turn to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: magical practitioners such as fortune tellers, healers, and sorcerers to
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: find this witchcraft for them or to fight this witchcraft
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: for them. As an aside, the main difference between healers
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: and sorcerers is that sorcerers would use black magic from
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: sources such as like demons. Petty demons is what was said,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: So all I can think of is like a demon
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: named Nigel who hid one sock from the laundry or
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: moved the TV remote just out of reach rather than
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: possessing someone. It takes all kinds. I suppose. It is
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: believed that the increased industrialization you don't have that martini yet,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: and you really need it for this.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: I'm like I hear it being made.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Ah. It is believed that the increased industrialization of Russia
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: and the government's discrediting of the Orthodox Church over the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: centuries has led to an increase in the belief in
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: occult practices. Logically, to them, Jesus didn't seem to be helping,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: so they turned to the gods of old. Sorry. Game
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: of Thrones fans, but it appears Russia is not west
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: oas you seemingly can't have both the old gods and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the News. So Lama, you can put your dragons away
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: for now for now. Uh yeah. Interestingly, in post communist Russia,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: there was a resurgence in the belief of faith healers
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: and witches. Even President Boris Yeltsen appeared to approve of this,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: as he provided state funds for bizarre projects such as
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: trying to extract energy from stones.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: But no, let the stones keep their energy.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I think they should have held onto the thought
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: and then used Putin's titled ass cheeks to squeeze it out.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's much more efficient.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I would agree with that.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Our show is never going to be popular in Russia.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: We okay. In twenty ten, it certainly revealed there were
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: at least one hundred and sixty thousand more faith healers
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: than medical physicians in Russia. In twenty thirteen, the leading
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: cardiologist in Russia complained that his countrymen paid over twenty
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: six million American dollars annually on magical and paranormal treatments.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Now, okay, did you say six one hundred and sixty
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: thousand more fault dealers than doctors?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Correct? And I do want to say this, I do.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I want to say this one that that is crazy
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: for sure, and the amount of money that's been spent
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: is crazy for sure. But the population of Russia kind
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: of high, not China kind of high. So Russia's Academy
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: of Sciences estimates that sixty seven percent of Russian women
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: have been to a psychic or sorcerer. The no there
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: it is, it'll help you, it'll help, it'll help this
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: go down. The number of men is less. Uh, basically
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: one in four have been to a psychic or sorcerer,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: But that's still a lot, still a ton. Now, apparently
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: you've ever been.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: To a psychic or sorcerer? You yourself?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Really no, But I'm not in month of Russia.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess having family from Louisiana, I guess that.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would assume black magic is the same
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: as a psychic or you would have a little voody dolls.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: And then I took Max's husband's hair and like glued
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: it on so my grandmother and I could stick pins
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: in it.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: How did it work? Did it work for you?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: Didn't have any more kids? The needle in the little spot?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: So those are the right. Voodoo and sorcery two different things.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you know, the Russian medical system
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: is apparently of such a quality that a pagan sorcerer
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: is preferred by many, But honestly, sometimes the same could
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: be said about our system, I'm sure for some folk. First, Yeah,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: so having grown up in Russia, Tamora was Tamara was
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: more likely influenced. It's probably Poma, but Moore was most
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: likely influenced by the occult. Her library that they found
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: seems to indicate at least a curiosity in the dark arts,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: you know, like her and Voldemort. In fact, it isn't
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: uncommon for someone to be called or known as a witch,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: and with their belief system, it's not always a bad
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: adjective from either the speaker or the person being discussed.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: So like normally, when somebody says a witch, it's followed
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: by banner, but in Russia it's followed by what kind
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: of deals are they running this week? A little bit?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: In fairness, I wasn't watching it. Take a drink?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Uh so sorry, that's okay because I'm like what.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: I live for a spit take, So take that how
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: you will. It seems that many journalists in this case
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: were soon superstitious themselves and believed in the supernatural. Some
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: of the articles written also seemed to reflect a lower
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: level of education too. Either that or it could possibly
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: be a translation issue from the original Russian reporting. When
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Tamara's arrest became known, the Russian press went into conjecture overdrive.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: The press reported, without any real evidence, that Babushka Yaga
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Slavic for supernatural being ate her victims in order to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: complete dark occult rituals. Note that her diary was found
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: in her apartment right alongside books of the occult, So
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: that didn't help. Due to the press coverage, I've.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Yet to hear that she actually ate anyone. So is
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: it all just speculation that she was a cannibal or
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: did they find chewed up femurs?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're still talking occult. We will, We'll move
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: to that, Okay, don't worry.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: I just wonder because I'm like somewher, she's not sounding that.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Bad, right, true? She are you a good witch or
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: a bad witch? Due to the press coverage, right, I
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: just immediately agreed with that. Due to the press coverage
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: early on, the citizens of Russia were convinced that she
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: was a witch. I mean, like talk about poisoning the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: well or apple, the snow white dope. The prince charm
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: again lost the plot. Found beside the remains of one
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: victim to be discussed later, were torn pages of a
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: book of spells, and this probably fed into the media reports.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Apparently Russian police can't really keep information to themselves because
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: there were a bunch of leaks to the press which
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: occurred prior to official statements. The discovery of the book
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: merely fed into the Russian belief in the power of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: the occult, and there were many speculative articles written by
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: the press that ramped up this belief before authorities finally
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: addressed the issue in the age of clicks and money.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Because this was in the age of clicks and money.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: This wasn't like in the eighteen hundreds or the early
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds. This is like in twenty fifteen. There were
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: many speculative articles written by the press that ramped up
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: this belief before authorities finally addressed the issue. I already
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: said that, but anyways, the public read multiple articles about her,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: and many of the stories emphasized the witch like methods
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: of killing using poison and then boiling of the body parts, etc.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: And this is where her Bobby Yaga nickname came from.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of the information in these articles, though, isn't
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: supported by fact. I mean, ain't that just the way right?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I read an article that said coffee cures everything, and
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: then I read another one that said it cures cancer.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: So now I drink it while worrying I'm immortal and
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: doomed at the same time. Why, because I'm no quitter.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Now back to the crimes of Granny ripper Ah Dad jokes,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: So We're going to talk next about her relationship with
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Alexi Samsonova, which is a presumed victim of hers. After
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: moving to Saint Petersburg, about two hundred miles from her hometown,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Tamara married Alexi Samsonova. In nineteen seventy one. Tamara and
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Alexi moved into a newly built panel house, number four
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: on Dmitrov Street. It may have been new, but it
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: was still a small, two bedroom, drab housing unit. Alexi
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: worked in a car repair plan. In interviews with the authorities,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Tamara told them her relationship with Alexi had been good
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: and that she had to take care of him. She
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: was the mother while he was the son, which is
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: very Norman Bates, except you know, the mother's the psychopathic killer.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, usually it's mommy issues and not the other
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: way around. However, her neighbors, yeah, neighbors interviewed, said their
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: relationship was much more like an abusive kidnapper and a
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: scared hostage, and so Tomorrow was the obviously the kidnapper,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: which I you know, I do have to say it's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: not a role play that I'd recommend, but I don't
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: think shame, so you know, do what you do. Russian
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: nesting builders. They all right, right, is yes? Please. They
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: also reported that she would refuse Alexi into the house
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: when she was angry with him, and he would sit
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: on a bench in a nearby park, and if she
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: was really angry with him and it turned tonight, he
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: would have to sleep on the bench all night. And
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: he was described as neighbors as and I quote, pitiful, thin,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: red haired and toothless with a ragbag. And all I
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: have to ask is, why the hell are people always
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: throwing shade at Ginger's I mean, other than the fact
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: that they don't do well in the sunlight. So maybe
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: it's a favor. I don't know.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: So basically she sent him to the doghouse. Just the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: dog house happened to be a bench instead of a
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: couch in the house.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with in Saint Petersburg? Yeah, what's wrong with that?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: It's probably cold, I don't know.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Back to nineteen ninety six. Listen, you might as well
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: just build a doghouse in the back. Back to nineteen
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: ninety six, and the psychiatrists mentioned before. Authorities interviewed the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: doctor in an attempt to understand her mental state at
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: the time. The psychiatrist reported that she seemed quote bright, lovely,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: and erudite, while her husband appeared quote poor, downtrodden and moronic.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: What a fucking terrible doctor. The doctor also considered to
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Mari to be quote capricious, capricious, wayward, and absurd. Apparently
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Russia only issues characteristics in threes, I don't know, father, son,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: and holy pot right, like nesting dolls. She told, Yeah,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: it's like nesting dolls. But the last characteristic is always
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: a slap to the face. That's how that works. So
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: she told the psychiatrist that she often shoplifted for no reason.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: In time, the relationship with Tamara and the psychiatrist actually
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: shifted from being strictly professional to talking on the telephone uh. Once.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: The doctor even went to her apartment to, as declaimed,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: quote fetch a book. Okay, bitch, cliche as hell from
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: do you want to come upstairs and see my etchings
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: to fetching a book to Netflix and chill. We know
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: what you were doing. Sorry, I went dragon, the library
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: was open, yes, some some freak coughs or whatever the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: fuck are called. In two thousand, Alexi disappeared. Tamara appealed
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: to the police, but searches resulted in no evidence of
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: what happened to Alexei. Fifteen years later, in April of
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, she turned to police again, this time to investigate,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: this time to the Investigative Unit of the Frazinsky District
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: in Saint Petersburg, where she gave a statement about her
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: husband's disappearance so many years prior. Ah Lady and Gray said,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: don't Ara with a good time, she probably gonna ruin it.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Oh God. Tamara told neighbors that he had left her
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: to chase after other women, which by descriptions of him,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: seemed like it would have been a pretty short lived chase,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: like the old woman robing the bank. That's what I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: was saying. She also told some that he died of
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: cirrhosis of the liver, or that he went to the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Savings and Loan but never returned. It appears that no
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: one other than Tamara, with her insincere appeal to the police,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: really looked for Alexi, and even then no one seemed
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: to care. There have even there have been no discoveries
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: of Alexi Alexi nor his body. It is not thought
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: that she killed him and got rid of the it
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Ish plack. It's now thought that she killed him and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: got rid of the body somewhere somehow. Uh, moving to
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Serge Puttanin and Valentina Nikoleevna Ulanova, these are known crimes.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: Don't hurt yourself.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was gonna have to like stretch tonight.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: I think I pulled something in my lower back, saying
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: that after Alexi's disappearance, Tamara began rent to rent out
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: a room in her apartment. Serge puttin In forty four
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: from Norilsk was such was one such unfortunate tenant. Investigators
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: say that on September six, two thousand and three, Damara
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: and her attendant quarreled and it ended in murder. Dun
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: dun dum. She poisoned him and then she dismembered his
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: corpse and disposed of the pieces in the streets. So
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: that's fun, huh. It's thought too. It's thought that he
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: was still alive when she began the quote surgery, which
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: is really a nice way of saying she kind of
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: went full dahmer. Don't ever go full dahmer, not coolive,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: that's what they said. And honestly, if they found bits
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: and pieces, if they found pieces of him, they probably
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: could tell because he would have it would have continued
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: bleeding with the cut if he was still alive. Right,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: So he this fella had several tattoos that made his
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: identification pretty easy. Pages from an esoteric book, most likely
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: cult or spells were left with the body, which caused
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the police to suspect a black magic serial killer had
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: done the deed. Tamara wrote of the tattoos in her diary,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: probably in all three languages. So Captain said, she's the
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: only land lord. Of course, she's evil, Yes, Tamara, hh Holmes,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: you know uh yours. Previously, in March of twenty fifteen,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Tamara met seventy nine year old Valentina Nikolvna Ulanova, who
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: lived at ten Dmitro Street. A mutual friend asked Valentina
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: to shelter Tamara for a time due to the current
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: renovations of Tamara's apartment. Valentina agreed, and from the moment
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Tamara moved in, Valentina knew she'd done fucked up. Valentina
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: was described by neighbors as intelligent, friendly, very giving. She
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: was also willing to help others, and she was even
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: known to buy vodka for the transience in the neighborhood.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: And I'd call that seriously neighborly, especially in Russia.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: That's very sweet.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Tamara lived with Valentina for several months, helping with the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: housework and becoming an all around caregiver to Valentina. She
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: liked living in the apartment, refused to move out, and
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: the relationship between the two began to deteriorate, and Valentina
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: decided to ask Tamara to move out. Now, a final
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: conflict happened between the two. This one's supposedly about unwashed cups,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: because of course it fucking was. Tamara decided to poison,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: because of course she did. She traveled to Pushkin and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: managed to persuade a pharmacist to sell her a prescription drug,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: Fanaza PAM. This was developed in Russia in nineteen seventy
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: eight and it's prescribed for neurological conditions like epilepsy, anxiety,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: alcohol withdrawal, syndroham and sleep disorders. So when she returned home,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: she bought one of On the way, she bought one
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: of Valentina's favorite dishes, an Olivier salad. Do you know
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: what an Olivier salad is?
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: A salad?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Perfect? I didn't either what is this? Well? In the
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Guide to Fundamentals of Colony Arts published by p Alexandrova
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: in eighteen ninety seven, was a recipe including grouse, crayfish, potatoes, cucumber, lettuce,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: aspect capers, olives and mayonnaise. Oh and powdered fanazepam. Apparently
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: how much enough? So she put the pills in the salad.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: You write, you rt. It basically is potato salad, but
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: with all that other stuff in it, like.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Grayfish and wouse or or something.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: What is that a grouse? It's just a small bird.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: It's like a people go grouse hunting.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: You put a bird in the potato salad with the meat.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Of the bird. Yes, it's just a bird stood up
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: and you just slather this stuff on top of the bird.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: I love you so much. You have no idea. So
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: she put the pills in the salad and the date
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: was July twenty third, twenty fifteen. Samara later found Valentina's
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: body lying on the kitchen floor, because of course, using
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: two knives in a saw, she proceeded to dismember the body.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: She had borrowed the saw from a neighbor, which what
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: the fuck was that? Conversation like like, uh, hey, do
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: you have a saw? What's for for de cuffeinating a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: body or body of coffee? That's pretty much how I
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: see that going. First, we're about to get a little
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: dark here. First, she's by a little, I mean a lot.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: First she saw it off Valentina's head. Then she saw
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: the body in half, and using the knives, she cut
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: it into pieces. It took her several trips of going
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: outside the apartment and then returning inside to take out
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: all of the bags. She also left pieces of Valentina's
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: body scattered throughout the house, and it's suggested by authorities
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: that Valentina again was still alive when she began the dismemberment,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: which a pattern seems to have developed here. My idea, Watson,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: grab my notebook and my violin.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Is messy and horrific.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: The amount of drive that I know that this is
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: really dark and really tough to talk about. But the
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: reality is the amount of motivation and drive and strength
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: you have to have to do what she did is insane.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: And you know that saw wasn't sharp. You know those
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: knives weren't that sharp. It certainly wasn't a bone saw,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: So wow.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: I hope Valentina had like osteoporosis, so her bones broke
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: re lazy or something. I don't know, because that just
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: sounds I don't know, horrific.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: July twenty sixth, Valentina's decapitated body with severed limbs was found.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: It was wrapped in a shower curtain found near a
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: pond at number ten on Dimitro Street, so not that
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: far away. This wasn't really noticed until several days after,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: until a resident took an interest, like, oh, there's a
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: shower curtain, let's go see what that's pretty much how
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: I see that going well? Because Valentina's I didn't.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: I bet it didn't smell.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Well in July. Yeah, well it only got into like I.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Would think it was.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Well, that was in Siberia. She's in Saint Petersburg, bent out.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: I really don't know what the temperature would be in
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: July in Sant Petersburg. I probably had a lot, so
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I don't feel comfident telling you, yeah, but I mean
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: it also was. It also was put near a pond,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: so it's very possible that ponds smell everything else.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Valentina's identity was confirmed in July twenty seventh, after a
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: survey of apartment, after a survey of apartment residents, when
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: authorities knocked on Valentina's door, Tamara answered. Once inside the apartment,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: the police officers found traces of blood in the bathroom
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: and remnants of the torn shower curtain on the fasteners,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: and Tamara tried the old like, well, that blood isn't mine,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: which not the best thing to do to say as
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: an excuse in this case. Tamara was immediately arrested. Yes,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood was basically kind of like a slum esque
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: type neighborhood, he wrote it.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: They only found traces of blood. My vision, there was
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: blood everywhere if the person was still.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Alone live, what I'm thinking is and it wouldn't have
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: been enough, but it could have been enough to like
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: at least protect, is my thoughts. She ripped the shower
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: curtain off, put it under, and did the work wrapped up.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: But lady and grows correct, it's the it wasn't me
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: shaggy defense. So Tomorrow was immediately relested arrested. Later, the
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: authorities found CCTV camera video from near the home that
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: showed her removing the body parts and black plastic bags
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: and back and forth and fun times. All right, So,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: in terms of a couple of alleged crimes, presumed victims
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: on top of the two that we've talked about, or
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Alexi Samsonova, like I said, the husband and Volodia, which
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: is number and I'm pretty sure a name of a
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: main character in Crime and Punishment, also Russian, but also
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: a former tenant mentioned in her diary. Authority spect suspect
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: that there are actually at least ten other victims beside
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: her known and alleged crimes, but they haven't charge her
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: since nobodies have been found and they probably never will be,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: especially at this point. Now, there were definitely some weird
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: bits and pieces about this woman, which is probably understating it.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: She would rent rooms, but then she'd complain to neighbors
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: that her tenants would use her bathroom in kitchen. She
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: complained that they were dirty people. And by the way,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: this was Tamara who left the dirty cups in Valentina
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: sink that spurred the final argument between the land lord
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: and the tenant. She was the one that put the
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: dirty it wasn't the other way around. So something about
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: that's really not surprising at all.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: So did she rent out the bedroom and didn't think
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: they were going to use the bathroom in the kitchen?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. You asked the question
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: about how did she clean up and stuff, A lady
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: in Gray answered this took several days to identify Valentina,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: so she probably had time to clean.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Well. I didn't think she was very clean because she
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: didn't even clean her cup.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: That's fair, but I mean, you know, self preservation is
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: much more of a drive than a clean cup. So
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: Tamara since Minova, kept a detailed diary written in Russian,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: English and German, alongside black magic and astrology books like
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: we mentioned, and her diary between accounts of her killings
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: are written mundane details of her everyday existence. Entries included
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: such phrases as quote, slept badly or drank coffee, take medicine,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: or I do not eat the obvious. It obviously sounds
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: like a hell a lot like what my diary would say,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: minus the whole killing thing. A neighbor later said that
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: it was as if Tamara was concerned that she would
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: be for cotton or no one would know that she
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: even existed. But what she should have been worried about
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: is that no one would want to remember her, and
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: she definitely made certain of that or sure. One excerpt
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: from her diary has a chilling confession of her murdering
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: a former tenant, quote, I killed my tent. I killed
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: my tenant Veolodya got him into pieces in the bathroom
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: with a knife, with the pieces of his body in
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: plastic bags and threw them away in different parts of
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: the Frasinsky district. Now this is apparently a different tenant
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: than the known victim Sergey, but hook line and sinker
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: last nail in the coffin kind of buried the lead that, uh.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: On top of that, she also was a super fan
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: of Russia's most famous serial killer, Andre Chikatilo. She had
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: a collection of books and articles written about this killer,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: who was confer of killing fifty two men, women and
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: children between nineteen seventy eight and nineteen ninety. She was
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: a huge fan, and on top of that, she wrote
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: in her diary about researching various medications as well as
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: picking up medications for neighbors and having been treated for schizophrenia.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: She was also versed in benzos and other depressants. Marina
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: and her husband moved in next door shortly after Alexi disappeared.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Alexi was her bow, if you could call him that.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: Tamara told Marina that her husband left one day and
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: had not come back. Marina told authorities that Tamara had
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: joy in her eyes when she said it. Marina also
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: reported that Tamara would sit I literally forgot about this part.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Marina told authorities that Tamara would sit topless in front
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: of her window. Marina didn't like this, apparently, as her
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: husband would like to peep at the topless woman in
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: the window. But still, Marina didn't report any problems with Tamara.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: She heard no screams or weird sounds coming from the apartment.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: Marina also reported that Tamara would only answer the door
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: when she used a special pre planned secret knock, which
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: paranoia anybody. Another neighbor reported that Tamara didn't have either
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: a sofa or refrigerator in her apartment. I guess and
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Nan said a booby sighting and it was cold in Russia,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: so it was a blue booby, if you know what
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: I mean? All right?
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, just very excited all the time.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, a man named Vladimir rented
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: room from Tamara, and a physical relationship soon began. No
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: don't bad, idea. No, she was almost twenty years his senior.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: In December of two thousand and one, Vladimir was admitted
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: to the hospital because of aw poisoning. The doctors couldn't
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: tell him the source of the poison, but apparently Vladimir
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: had thoughts about this, because after he was released from
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: the hospital, he immediately got his shit and got the
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: fuck out of Dodge or Siberia or Saint Petersburg or wherever.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and four, Tamara and her younger boyfriend
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: met Alexander and his wife, and Tamara struck up a friendship,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: with the couple calling them often. Soon, Alexander was answering
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: the phone more often than his wife when Tamara called.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: Soon thereafter a younger boyfriend. Her younger boyfriend later disappeared,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: leaving no trace. A year later, Alexander left his wife
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: and moved in with Tamara. No, don't bad I know
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: it is at this point, right, he loved his wife,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: moved in with Tamara. It's at this point that I
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: would like to say I am convinced she is a
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: witch casting spells on all these men have you seen
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: her picture. Maybe they are just more maybe the guys
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: are ragbags, or maybe it was the western style jeans.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: More than likely, though, I think it was the vodka.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: Do you have a picture? Regretted?
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: Hold On, I can go look for one if I
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: need to, because I need to know.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it's totally okay, I can find one.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, she couldn't have been that unattractive that or
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: she's not pretty.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Hold On, let me see if I can find one
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: of her young Yeah, I mean.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: She's not atrocious, I guess is the.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: Word I'm trying to say. She is. One second, she
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: is on the right in this photo.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, so no, not at all.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's pretty.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: She's yeah, she's not unattractive. Now I understand why she
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: was able to get these men who are twenty years younger.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Right, right, I mean, you know, Milania for the win.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: He quickly regretted his decision, moving into Tamara uh with
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Tamara and began to call his wife several times a day,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: and pretty soon after he moved in, he disappeared. Poof
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: later to America confessed to killing him, but then she recanted,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: saying that it was quote illegal to joke like that.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: What all I'm saying is when, like, yeah, when when
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: criminals take the high road, usually they're lying. Neighbors reportedly
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: began to care less for her as she got older.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: She would walk around her apartment naked with the curtain open.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: So you saw the older picture of her, Just keep
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: that in mind. She would walk around her which is fine. Listen,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: you do what you want. I'm not judging to each
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: their own. Just because you're older doesn't mean you can't
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: walk around your place nude. But maybe close the window.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: There innocent people walking by, right, or.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Or she would walk around barefoot out in the winter,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: which is a I mean. Or. She was increasingly argumentative
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: with them as well, so at one point her neighbors
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: got together and wrote a yeah, lady, and Gray says
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: it right. She lived on street level, so she wasn't
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: like on the fourth floor just flashing people across from
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: her on the fourth floor. She was on a street level.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: You know what, though, you know what you go, girl,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: you go.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're that comfortable in your body, go
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: for it.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Serious. I mean, honestly, I'm not even at thirty whatever age,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: I am thirty six I guess I am now. I
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: forgot the other day. I'm not saying that comfort or the.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: Innocent people walking by that don't need to see all that.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah right right. Nan said you really shouldn't be naked
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: when old in front of gold curtains. I know, Nan,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: I love you so very much and bells you are correct.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: It is amazing what old people can do. At one point,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: her neighbors actually got together and wrote a note to
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: a psychiatric hospital saying that Tamara needed treatment. She was
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: committed for a treatment for a few months, but then
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: returned back to the apartment because she she probably manipulated
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: her way out of it. And that's conjecture on my part,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: but that's my guess, is that she's good at that.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah right. I feel like that was her argument. Amy,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: people shouldn't be looking in my window. Don't look in
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: my window. That window is not for you. That's for
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: me to look out, not you to look in. I
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: don't know why. She sounds like a stereotypical from Anastasia
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: the cartoon man, but that's what she said. That's literally
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: my point of reference here. It's like I give her
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: a ha and a hayyah and i'd kicker, sir. That's
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: my that's my point of reference here. The Russian Investigative
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Committee equivalent to the United States FBI, reported that internal
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: organs were removed from the victim's body, and it's noted
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: that she seemed to have had a particular pension penshaw
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: for lungs. The information was taken from her diaries, where
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: she wrote that she had not only dismembered, but had
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: removed internal organs as well, And there seemed to be
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: some disagreement if this was just the ramblings of an
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: insane person or if she really did commit these personal,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: these particular acts. Regardless of the Russian Investigative Committee's statements,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: the authorities do not have any proof that she committed cannibalism,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: despite police source merely saying cannibalism is not excluded. So
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: and honestly at this point.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: Is that a delivering onions? Is it lungs and onions.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Is uh? We call them onions to open up the breathing.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: They help you, They build, they build the breathing the
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: lungs that go straight to the lungs, especially if you inhale,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: you inhale, and it's so good you Inhale. I have
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: no idea what I'm talking about anymore so the director,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: the director of a ministry, Kelly said, sounds like a
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: typical relationship. Oh, Kelly, Oh oh, I'm worried about you.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: We're not sponsored by them yet, but might want to go.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I'm dead. The director of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: volunteered to sit with her and talk with her. He
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: independently began to study the occult so he could better
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: converse with her. He spent so much time with her
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: that his colleagues began to worry he was spending too
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: much time with her and too much time researching the
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: occult he did, however, He did, however, managed to get
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: her to unofficially admit to eleven murders, so he knew
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: what he was doing. But also, I really think that
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: this woman was extremely charismatic, and I think that she
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: was able to bring people in and then flip real fast,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: like she would find one thing and that would just
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: and that would be her excuse to make it right
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: for what she did. Right.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: She used her Yeah, asked.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, Nan asked unofficially. And I think what that means, Nan,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: is that the conversation that the director had with her
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: was not recorded. It was not official in terms of
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: a confession, so unofficially eleven, Uh, okay, that's male. Oh
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: what did you? How did you that?
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: It was pillow talk? And she confessed to eleven after
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: they hung out together, because they were spending time together
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: like pilow talk.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: She was already arrested. She was she was in jail.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: He was in He was talking to her. She was, yeah,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: it happened to males. Some people really dig those cold
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: steel tables. I don't know, and she said, this reminds
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: me of my kitchen. I like. Uh. So it seems
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: odd that Tamara began with her nefarious activity. She began
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: this activity at the age of fifty three, although most
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: female serial killers do start killing later in life, as
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: opposed to men, The average age for men's twenty seven
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: women's thirty one. Another difference between men and women is
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: that women seem to act more in secret and kill
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: those close to them, while men are more open with
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: their killings and usually target strangers that cannot be traced
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: to them. They also have a tendency towards quieter methods,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: such as poisoned and smothering. Women killers likely don't have
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: a criminal record, while men do. And in addition, on
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: the average, men kill over a shorter period of time
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: about two to three years, while women kill over a
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: longer period of time ten plus years. So very patient, nice, Yes,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Tamara does have skills.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: With a Z.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: You know, of course, there are those that don't fall
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: into the average category because you know, we're not talking
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: about Yogi Bear here. In court appearances, ta Mara seemed
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: more concerned about what journalists were there to report. Sorry,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: in court appearances, ta Mara seemed more concerned about what
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: journalists were there to report in terms of her case,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: rather than the grave charges that were placed against her.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: She complained that our neighbors in Saint Petersburg were going
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: to find out what she was accused of. After being
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: taken into custody by the court, she told journalists quote,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: I knew you would, gum. It's such a disgrace for me.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: All this city will know, Terry. I am fifty four,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: so it's not late too late for me. Nope, Nope. Listen,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: and Nan said watch out for us ladies. You just
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: have to believe in yourself and have the motivation, drive
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: and angst that is not official advice FII just saying.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: On July twenty ninth, twenty fifteen, Tamro was brought to
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: the Frunds District Court of Saint Petersburg. She was sick
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: sixty eight when she was arrested. At one point in
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: the proceedings, Tamara said that she had been traumatized by
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: a doctor who lived in an apartment a few floors
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: above her, and that he raped her and threatened to
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: kill her. Now, if that happened, that sucks, and that
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: should have never happened, and that doctor can go to hell.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: I will say this, There was no proof of that accusation,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: although I don't know how they would there would be
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: proof in Russia with I just I don't know. So
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: it's very possible, you know, not to bring this down
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: a lot. But a forensic psychiatric examination was conducted and
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: on November twenty six, twenty fifteen, the report showed that
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: she was a danger to society and herself. She told
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: the judge that she was guilty and that a burden
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: was lifted from her when her crimes were discovered. In
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: December of twenty fifteen, Tamara was sent for compulsory psychiatric
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: treatment specialized hospital and the until the into the investigation
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: of a total of fourteen murders. When the judge sentenced her,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Samara clapped her hands with joy, and the judge said,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: you can never be released, and that is the end
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: of the story of the Granny Ripper.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: She clapped her hands with joy.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: She you know, there is there is something to be
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: said about people who have a compulsive need to kill.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: It just seems like when they get caught, like you've
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: seen this many times, it's a trope right in in
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: like criminal procedural TV shows, they get caught and they
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: fall asleep in the interrogation room, right and it's almost
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: like it's been taken off of them and they can finally,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: you know, And I feel like that's a exactly what
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: happened here. Well, I don't know a lot about her
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: early life, so she suffered for some.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: Mental illness, so she definitely had hearing voices. Whether it
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: was a cult related whatever, still was an excuses. But
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: with her clapping her hands makes me wonder was she
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: just thinking that she would be in close proximity and
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: it'd be easier to kill or was she truly there?
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: It is the stability or was she truly happy that
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: she would be locked up and she couldn't do it again?
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know, and I don't know
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: if she'd ever tell us, to be honest, that's true,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Lady and Gray said this. We know nothing of her childhood,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: but she definitely had a mental illness of some sort. Yeah,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: and we all know in the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: it was shitty in the US, so you know, mental
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: health was shit. It's I mean, it's shitty now, but
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: you know it was shitty in Russia. Oh, she's in
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: a mental institution, not a prison. Thank you for clearing
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: that one up. So I mean, maybe she's where she
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: needs to be. You know, there are very few criminals
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: where I'm just like, and maybe it's because it happened
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: in Russia and not the United States. So I'm a
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: little more loose about this. But it really truly feels
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: like she should be there and not in a prison.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like she could benefit at all. But
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: you know, Lady and Gray, the script you put together
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: is amazing. She went through twenty one different sources to
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: find this stuff. And I am just like, super enthusiastic
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: about how she arranged this and worded it, and I know,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: and there's probably some parts where you're just like, I
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: didn't write that shit, and you didn't. I just added
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: some jokes. But overall, you did a wonderful job, and seriously,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: all credit to you for that. I will always give
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: credit credit when people write stuff for me, I promise,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: because I know it's not easy, having done it for
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: five years, so I don't like me me.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: You can write one for me if you want me.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: Me me, that was good.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she did a wonderful, wonderful job. And yes, I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: mean that is definitely a case that is very interesting.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: When I just randomly picked an old woman who was
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: a murderer, I didn't know what you were getting into.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm so sorry.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I will say I am the prize
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: to hear that they have mental hospitals in Russia. I
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: don't know why. I just assumed they wouldn't and they
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: would just send everybody to prison, you.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Know, I think we do, hm, I think, and they
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: call them psi kushkas. Actually I might actually read this.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: I just found just I'll put this in the chat,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: but it's an article on the history of Territorial psychiatric
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: hospitals in Russia. So the only reason I immediately publish
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: it is because it was published in it's it it's
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: hosted by the National Library of Medicine, so I trust it.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: So wow, just a lot, just an awesome story, truly,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: Lady and Gray, thank you for doing that. I don't
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: know how I would have gotten that done, so I
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: appreciate you greatly.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: You have no idea.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: So that's uh, that's my case. And it's dark, but
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: also kind of I hopefully, hopefully I was able to
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: add a little heavenly light on top of it.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: You just go out there coll times, it's out there,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: the occult and a grainy ripper, cannibalism. I mean, it
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: truly had little pieces of everything.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: And just.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: I think that that culture is so foreign to me,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: and that's duh, it's foreign to me. But it's just
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: so it's just so different, you know, and I think
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's worthy of looking at and experiencing, you know,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: once we're not on the verge of World War three
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: with them.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: But when I'm in Hell Silky at the train station,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: they have one train that goes every day to Russia
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: because when we were there in February. They told me. Yes.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: They were like, Terry, whatever you do, do not get
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: on that train and do not think you should go
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: there and visit. Maybe I should go experience Russia.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: No, ma'am, no, ma'am, not, I will never see you again.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: Please don't please.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: Don't you mean you would never see it again? You
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: would go in petition our US government to get cute
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: little me back?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: Correct? I would, But I will say this. There is
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: a reason why they want to invade Ukraine, and they
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: have failed so far, but they want to take that.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: And I'm of the firm belief that that is the
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: beginning because Poland would be next and then they'd move on,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: they'd move west.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: So don't pink line. It is called the pink line.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: H huh.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's because when you get taken open, that's all
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: that's shown is pink. Don't don't do it. I know
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: that you are very adventurous. You will go to drug
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: dealers houses. Don't go to this one because this one
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: has AK forty seven double h.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: Can I go to Russia while I'm in Finland? He said, No,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: y'all are just not.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: Any I'm hoping I hope. He said hell.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, he just said no. He just said no.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: Well there was no hell in front of it. So
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: you're good, you're clear. I'm good.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: I'm clear.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think your passport is going to work.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: Probably not.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: I will take you now is not a great time.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: My biggest fear would be that Putin would decide that
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: I would be the person because I couldn't keep my
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: mouth shut. I wouldn't let him get away with talking
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: to me a certain way. I think he would use
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: me as an example, you know, yeah, yeah, and he
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: would tag true Crime and Wine Time as you know,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: they're beating me and stuff.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: I could see. I can see you being in on
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: Russian TV as an example, being like true Crub and
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: Wine Time on YouTube check me out. It would be
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: like the last thing you say, Kelly's right, just google
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: what you want to see in Russia.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: I know, but it is so sad because there is
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: such beautiful architecture in some building. I mean, I hear
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: Russia has so many beautiful things that if it was
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: a non dictator place that I would love to visit.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: Here's what I say to that Russia has a wild
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: and wonderful history to study. Let it have another decade
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: of history to study, and then maybe give it another decade.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: I listen. I remember living in Okinawa, Japan, and my
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: family had planned a trip to go to China, and
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: we were going to Beijing in Hong Kong and the
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: first stop was Beijing, and like three or four days
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: before we went, that was the same time in which
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: China would not give us back the airplane that fell
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: into China's territory. Oh and I don't know if you
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: remember this. I don't know if you remember this, but
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: I do. So we still went, but you can bet one.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: And my dad's Papa, Bruce Crime always security conscious and
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: rightfully so he knows a lot about different things. But
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: I mean there was a Kleenex in the the eyehole
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: of the door, the telephone. I mean, we were very
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: careful about what we said. Hong Kong was a little different,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: but Beijing very careful about what we said. And that
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: was just a plane. Now we're talking about some bigger
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: stuff for Russia. So yeah, I know you were just kidding,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: but don't I would like to.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: Go because I also like to do what I'm what
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: I'm told not to do excites me to do what
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: I'm talking.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: I know, Oh, I know, I know. Oh Amy Best
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: said her Stepsuds now stationed in Japan. What part of Japan?
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: It's jan I would love to go back. Oh my gosh,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: the culture's fantastic. Tokyo is beautiful. I mean it's like
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: New York City, just with the lights and the neon
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: and the awe. Oh my god. Just some of the best,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: some of the best three years of my life.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you and Lady Gray for that very dark,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: grainy ripper case. My sweet little old lady. I just
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: wanted her four hundred dollars back. She didn't kill nobody,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: she didn't eat nobody. She didn't even put a bullets
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: in her gun.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: It's true she had bullets around the like her pill case.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: Kelly would be absolutely correct in her statement. Now we
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: know I double h probably doesn't say no much because
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: if he says no, he knows I'm going to go
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: and do it. It's better to just say yes, and
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: then I probably won't do it because what fun is
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: there in.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: The or we'll see, which is really funny that it's
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: better to say yes or we'll see, because that's exactly
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: how I do things with my kids, say I love
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: you so much. You have no idea. My love for
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: you is like diarrhea. I just can't hold it in.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: So Okay, I'm not sure how I feel about your
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: love for me being compared to diarrhea. I'm gonna have
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: to think, Oh, it's a weird al Yankovich thing. Okay,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: that makes me feel a little better, makes me feel
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: a little better. Well, I am going to tell you this.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: The next time you pick a dark case like this,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: could you give me for warning so I can have
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: alcohol prepared for this? Because I am so good about
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: not researching your cases. I don't want to know anything
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: about them, but you could just give me a warning
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: dark because I'm the dark girl.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: It's fair fair we I mean we don't. We don't
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: usually preview like you know our shows? Uh, like the
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: next one?
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: But what is that sends you a private message?
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: You did? Okay? Let me check? Oh I see yep,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: sure can sure can uh? In two weeks though, are
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: we doing? We're doing Mafia.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: I will not be there for Mafia. You will have
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: a special co host because I believe I'm either in
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: Finland or France that day. I don't remember which, but
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: I am so not going to be thinking about the podcast.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be drinking wine.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: No, really good point. Kelly will answer your question in
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: a second. Yes, So in two weeks on TCWT Live,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: it will be me and Cam from our true crime podcast,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: which I've known them for quite some time. They're a
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: really big show and I'm they just they just took
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: a group of fans and themselves to like Scotland and
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: England and stuff, so a lot of fun. But she
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: is hysterical, she's wonderful, and we're going to be doing
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: mafia crimes, so get ready for that. We'll tease something
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: in a second here. But Kelly asked, can we get
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: a Chase update? I don't know if there's anything you
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: can offer there.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: There is. I actually just spoke with Chase's dad yesterday.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: I am working on an update. I'm waiting for the
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: investigator to confirm a couple of things. I am going
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: to try to do an update before I leave the
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: country next week, and I told him if I can't
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: get it done before I leave, then I will do
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: it right when I get back. I just want to
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: confirm some things. What I can tell you is that
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: Matt Brewer is definitely more involved than we thought he was.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: And we have someone within a family member contact giving
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: us some information and we're just wanting to verify some
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: of that information before we share it. So we have
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: some big updates coming. And I just want to keep
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: us from getting sued or for somebody in Matt's family
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: coming after me, because he is connected to some really
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: bad people, right, so.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: Correct, So that's big, that's coming October first. There's some
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: massive things coming. Terry and I with this baby. We
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: started well, you started this in twenty nineteen, five years ago, yes,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: five years ago. I hopped on around twenty what was it,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty, what was it? I don't know.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: I think it was twenty twenty because you guessed. You
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: did a guest spot with me where Granny Bear showed up,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: and then we did Justice League, and then we decided
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: to join together.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, and she's regretted it ever since.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: I have not regretted it. The only time I came
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: close to regretting it was in Denver when we were
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: live streaming and that thing hit me. That was the
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: only time I was like what the hell was I thinking?
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: Taking care indeed from JT so and now they're one
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: of my favorite.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: Big uh big things coming October first, and that is
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: I will say this, although this kind of started in
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: our headspaces, this is the rest. What happens October first
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: is the result of a lot of folks in a
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: lot of hours of work and a lot of hours
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: of talent, and Terry and I could not be more grateful,
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: and so we are very very excited about that. And
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: also Night Courts coming back on Sundays, yay, and at
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: least one, possibly two big interviews are coming to and
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that. Leave it at that, but
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: there is a lot that is happening in October, and
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: we would love for you, shameless ask to like subscribe
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: absolutely fare with everybody.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: With one of our interviews that's coming up. It's gonna
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 3: be big, and you're gonna want to be able to
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: brag to your friends and say, see, I told you
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: you should like them, because you're gonna be pretty blown
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 3: away with what we got.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think. I don't think other than for
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: news stories and some other stuff, I don't think this
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: person has done very many like podcast YouTube interviews. So
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: I'll have to look to be sure about that. But yeah,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: so get ready. It's a big deal to us, and
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: I think to you guys too. And you know, thanks
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: to producer Tara for for working on that fors so
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: credit work credits due.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: I'm saving this because I haven't even told JT or Tara,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: but I had a conversation today and finalizing our first
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: in person live show to be an Austin. So we're
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: going to shoot for February or March. He and I
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: are talking again next week.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: Whoo so love oh shows.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: Also in October, I am going to be doing a
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: joint thing with Texas Whining Crime. I'm actually driving to
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: Dallas and doing a show with Brandy there. So she
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: has been a with help and because they do a
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: lot of live in person shows, so she has been
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: great in helping me. So the goal is we're going
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 3: to try to do three or four live in person
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: shows next year.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: That is the goal. And the goal is to make
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: them in different places, Yes, in different so that maybe
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: there's a possibility of seeing you all. And Brandy from
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: Texas Wine and Crime.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Texas just Whine and Crime.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, just confirming just just clarifying.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, So I will say, if anybody knows of a
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: winery in their area or a venue that you think
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 3: would be interested in hosting and sponsoring us to do
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: this in person, email us, drop us a message on
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: discord any of our socials, we will add it to
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: the list. We have an entire sheet of places that
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: we are pitching this idea too, because the more of
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: our original community that we can see would make us
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: the happiest.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: Right, I shoot, hey, look there you go. Sorry, Tara,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: if you got a place Yuh did you see? Oh?
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I don't know how
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to get to sleep with this news, to
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: be honest with you, because I didn't know either.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: It only happened like an hour and a half before,
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: and I wasn't gonna say anything, and I decided, you
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: know what, Granny Ripper, I needed to share something positive because.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: I'm really Wine and Margaret Wine and Martiniz we'll tell
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: you everything.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: Anything you want to know, so it will you. And
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: then we also are working on merch to drop some
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: merch stuff soon.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on, lots lots, so we're
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: excited so I will say this, I will I will
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: hit the snooze button on on everything now. Thank you
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: so so much for everything that you all have done
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: and continue to do. Both mods, writers, researchers, Lady and Graham,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: looking at you, Lama, Tara, thank you, Terry, You're amazing.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you, and take care of yourselves, your friends, your family,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: your community. Don't let anybody ever doll that sparkle and
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: shine on you crazy diamonds, shine.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: On And as always I want you to stay safe,
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 3: watch out for crime, and sometimes skip the wine and
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: go straight for the dirty martini because sometimes life needs
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: a martini. Screw the wine. What I got for you guys,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: see you all on Monday.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: Buye everybody, Bye guys.
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