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Normally Podcast: Elon Musk To The Rescue! · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to normally the show with
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Speaker 1: normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am
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Speaker 1: Mary Katherine.
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Speaker 2: Ham, I'm Carol Marcowitz. How are you doing over there?
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Speaker 2: Mary Catherine. We had a whole conversation off air just
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Speaker 2: now about how freezing we are in Florida.
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Speaker 3: Do you feel sorry for us with our like sixty
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Speaker 3: seven degrees?
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Speaker 1: I don't feel sorry for you. In sixty seven degrees,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be walking out my door in a bikini, like, Hey,
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Speaker 1: everybody's summer's hair, so look out for that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Our producers also from Florida, and he and I were
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Speaker 2: chatting about how it's been a very cold winter and
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Speaker 2: we haven't gotten to the beach nearly as much as
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Speaker 2: we wanted to.
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Speaker 1: So I hope that things improve for you. I do,
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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you for caring. You're welcome.
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Speaker 3: So we got a lot going on today.
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Speaker 2: People keep blowing up Tesla's and Democrats don't seem to
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Speaker 2: have a problem with this because Elon Musk is bad.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and actually not only do they not have a
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Speaker 1: problem with it, Jimmy Kimmel sort of joked about it
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Speaker 1: on his comedy show.
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Speaker 2: She just air quoted comedy show, which is exactly how
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Speaker 2: you have to do it when talking about Jimmy Kimmel,
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Speaker 2: He's like the angriest little man ever.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then meanwhile Tim Walls, former vice presidential nominee
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Speaker 1: current I think still governor of Minnesota, is doing a
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Speaker 1: sort of a barnstorming tour of his own, and he
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Speaker 1: had this to say about Tesla on the road, speaking
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Speaker 1: to the base of the Democratic.
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Speaker 4: Party, staying on my phone. I don't some of me
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Speaker 4: know this on the iPhone. They've got that little stock app.
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Speaker 4: I added Tesla tude to give me a little boost
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Speaker 4: during the day two five and dropping. So, and if
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Speaker 4: you own one, If you own one, we're not blaming you.
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Speaker 4: You can take dental floss and pull the Tesla thing off,
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Speaker 4: you know, and take out of just.
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Speaker 1: Telling you that is a weird dude.
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Speaker 2: I am just baffled that they went with that guy
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Speaker 2: as the vice presidential nominee while calling the other side weird.
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Speaker 3: He's just odd.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they just saw a football guy who
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Speaker 1: can talk on TV, and we're like, dudes, like football,
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Speaker 1: let's go with that. He's calling jd Vance weird. We
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Speaker 1: also don't like jd Vance nailed. So he's out trying
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Speaker 1: to drum up support or become the leader of the
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party perhaps, But just add.
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Speaker 2: He during the campaign specifically said he does not own
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Speaker 2: any stocks or bonds, and he was very proud of
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Speaker 2: that fact. And now he's celebrating stock dropping of an
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Speaker 2: American company, and I just want to sorry, just one
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Speaker 2: add side point to the stock thing. I tweeted this today,
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Speaker 2: but a year ago test stock was one hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy one dollars a share. Today, after a three month
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Speaker 2: decline from a tie of four seventy nine in December,
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Speaker 2: it's at two twenty five. And I tweeted, may all
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Speaker 2: of my stocks collapse with a thirty percent increase year
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Speaker 2: over year. I would be very happy with that outcome
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Speaker 2: for any stock I buy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I've had my issues with plenty
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Speaker 1: of American companies before. I remember Costco and Target at
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Speaker 1: times have annoyed me. But it does seem weird as
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Speaker 1: a person who wants to be a leader of the
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Speaker 1: country and is hoping for economic good for everyone to
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Speaker 1: trash an American company and delight in what he sees
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Speaker 1: as a failure. That's what true says as you point
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Speaker 1: out that is that Tesla's not failing. In fact, it
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Speaker 1: creates really good products that people like. I'm sure Elon
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Speaker 1: Musk calculated that there would be some political backlash to
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Speaker 1: his alignment with Donald Trump, but again, the product is good.
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Speaker 1: It is a cool and high performing electric car, which
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Speaker 1: is what lefties used to like. So now they're setting
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Speaker 1: them on fire. But the contrast to me of sort
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Speaker 1: of delighting in the travails of Tesla or just straight
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Speaker 1: up vandalizing property versus what Elon Musk's SpaceX did yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Oh, it is amazing.
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Speaker 1: The contrast is so bad for Democrats, and I just
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Speaker 1: want to celebrate that there was something to celebrate this
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Speaker 1: week because there were two astronauts Butch Wilmore and Sunny Williams,
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Speaker 1: who went up in June of twenty twenty four to
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Speaker 1: the International Space Station. They went on a Boeing star Liner,
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Speaker 1: which is in this big sort of commercial space competition,
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Speaker 1: one of the main competitors to Elon Musk's SpaceX. They
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Speaker 1: go up in this craft, it malfunctions, so they are
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Speaker 1: stuck on the International Space Station for nine months I
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Speaker 1: think in total. In the end they were supposed to
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Speaker 1: be gone for eight days. The reason they came back
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Speaker 1: to Earth is because SpaceX arranged for that to happen.
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Speaker 1: It was not because of Boeing. The Boeing pod that
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Speaker 1: they were in got sent back to Earth without them
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Speaker 1: in August and they were stuck on the International Space Station.
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Speaker 1: Now there's been some dispute in the media as to
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Speaker 1: whether we should refer to these astronauts as stuck or stranded,
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Speaker 1: because once they realized that that looked bad for the
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Speaker 1: Biden administration and the fact that Elon might be the
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Speaker 1: one rescuing them, they decided no, no, no, no, they're
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Speaker 1: not no longer not branded. Now they're just there seven
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Speaker 1: months beyond when they were supposed to be there, Like
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Speaker 1: some like NPR and AP started switching the verbiage on
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Speaker 1: this for a while. At any rate, After all this,
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Speaker 1: in September of twenty twenty four, SpaceX sends up another
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Speaker 1: vehicle with two guys in it, two spaces left for
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Speaker 1: these stranded astronauts so that they can come back to Earth.
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Speaker 1: Why didn't it happen till March, That's one of the questions.
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Speaker 1: But yesterday it splashed down or two days ago, as
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Speaker 1: you're listening to this. The Dragon capsule created by SpaceX
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Speaker 1: splashes down with that crew they sent up in September
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Speaker 1: and the addition of the stranded astronauts Butch and Sunny.
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Speaker 1: They all come down to Earth, parachutes into the beautiful
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Speaker 1: and going to America. Uh huh off the coast of Tallahassee.
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Speaker 1: They land in the water. It's all very smooth. And
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Speaker 1: this is the part that got me, Carol, because I
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Speaker 1: was watching. I didn't plan to watch because these things
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Speaker 1: make me nervous. I'm not a space person because I
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Speaker 1: just get too nervous for everyone involved. The dolphins came
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Speaker 1: out of the Gulf of America to swim around the
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Speaker 1: capsule and welcome the astronauts.
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Speaker 3: Did that really happen.
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Speaker 1: That's a real thing that happened. I saw that.
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Speaker 3: I thought people were like joking.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 1: I was watching it live and I was like, and
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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, because the reason I'm nervous about
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Speaker 1: space stuff is because of Challenger. I'm a Challenger kid.
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Speaker 1: It's my first real news memory is the Challenger exploding
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Speaker 1: and Reagan talking about it. So I think it stuck
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Speaker 1: with me and I would just like to thank the
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Speaker 1: golf and the dolphins and Lisa Frank and Elon Musk
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Speaker 1: were coming together to heal my childhood drama. And I
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Speaker 1: was like, what a beautiful thing. So they load up
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Speaker 1: the vehicles to the boat comes to get the capsule.
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Speaker 1: They unload everybody. They're smiling their thumbs uping. This would
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Speaker 1: have been if not for our weird polarization and our
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Speaker 1: weird media consumption, these days would have been a everyone
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Speaker 1: glued to their television moment a couple like a decade ago.
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Speaker 1: And it's different now, partly because people don't want to
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Speaker 1: cover that Elon Musk accomplished this, but I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of people were watching in real time online, just
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Speaker 1: infractured in different groups. I saw the clip wood and.
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Speaker 3: See the dolphins.
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Speaker 1: Dolphins were real.
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Speaker 2: I actually can't believe that, and I have to go
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Speaker 2: back and watch it.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Elon was on Sean Hannity last night and he latantly
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Speaker 2: said that the Biden administration rejected letting SpaceX rescue the
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Speaker 2: astronauts last year, and he said it was for political reasons.
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Speaker 3: That's just a fact.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, and the astronauts have been more cagy about this.
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Speaker 1: They were asked about it They're of course very excited
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Speaker 1: that Elon Musk is bringing them back to Earth, but
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Speaker 1: they said, look, I believe one of them said, I
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Speaker 1: believe Elon Musk on this point. I think it is
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Speaker 1: factual that they had a vehicle they could have come
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Speaker 1: home in starting in September of last year, which is
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Speaker 1: you'll note a couple months before the election day and
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Speaker 1: a couple months after Elon Musk endorsed Biden. I'm just
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Speaker 1: saying now. NASA says they didn't get word from Elon
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Speaker 1: that he was willing to do this earlier. They could
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Speaker 1: have done it earlier, and they had budgetary and logistical concerns.
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Speaker 2: Worried about that if our astronauts get stuck up at
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Speaker 2: the space station, we have budgetary problems to.
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Speaker 3: Get them back.
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Speaker 2: I feel like we should just that's one of those
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Speaker 2: we should just spend the money, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do feel like this is one of those
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Speaker 1: things that were reporters a bit more interested in this,
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Speaker 1: and we may find out at some point there would
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Speaker 1: be some floying going on right to find out exactly
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Speaker 1: what was the timeline that Elon offered and was it
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Speaker 1: rejected for sort of fudged reasons so that this would
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Speaker 1: happen not in conjunction with election year while he's endorsing Trump.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a fair chance that something
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Speaker 1: medium shady went on there.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like the astronauts think that though they the
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Speaker 2: female astronaut at one point said something to.
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Speaker 1: That effect that.
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Speaker 2: Elon It was stopped from bringing them home.
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Speaker 1: That seems like a problem to me. And here's here's
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Speaker 1: the thing for Democrats. And we're going to lead into
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Speaker 1: a discussion of what's ailing Democrats because some of them
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Speaker 1: are trying to face up to it is for all
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Speaker 1: of Trump's faults. If you are the party that is
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Speaker 1: cheering the destruction of Tesla's that's right, and the falling
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Speaker 1: of stocks, while another person is a quirky, amazing, almost
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Speaker 1: like comic book character industrialist who is bringing people back
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Speaker 1: home safely from space that NASA was unable to get
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Speaker 1: back and Boeing was unable to get back, you're going
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Speaker 1: to suffer in that comparison.
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Speaker 3: You're going to lose to that guy. Yeah, and they are.
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Speaker 1: Every normy watches that splash down and the dolphins and
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Speaker 1: is like, Wow, I'm really glad we have this guy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, how why wouldn't you be right? It's just you
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Speaker 3: root for America and that's.
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Speaker 1: What you should be doing. Thank you dolphins.
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Speaker 3: And I'm going to go back and.
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Speaker 1: Rewatch that because I can't blue water dolphins like what's up?
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Speaker 1: Like it? It's amazing.
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Speaker 3: Wow, We'll be right back on.
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Speaker 2: Normally the Democrats, are they in good shape or not
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Speaker 2: good shape?
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Speaker 1: It's not it's not great. It's not great now, it's
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Speaker 1: so not great that at this point Ezracline sounds like
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Speaker 1: me as reclined. The long time sort of liberal leader
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Speaker 1: I believe he is a founder of Vox liberal thought
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Speaker 1: leader is now like, hey, uh, we're not offering people
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Speaker 1: a product that works for them, right. Cities are creating
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Speaker 1: environments where families cannot and do not want to live.
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Speaker 4: Mm hm.
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Speaker 1: And we're going to have to stop saying we're the
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Speaker 1: good guys with the good product. If we can't offer
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Speaker 1: a good product to people.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: How are liberals taking that so great?
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the problem, right is Ezraklin actually
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Speaker 1: wants to talk about this problem. And he's written a
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Speaker 1: book called Abundance with a and Atlantic writer Derek Thompson,
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Speaker 1: and they spoke to Barry Weiss about this issue. So
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Speaker 1: we'll play a little clip of them chatting about this.
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Speaker 5: I do think the one thing that we're saying over
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Speaker 5: and over again in this book is that in places
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Speaker 5: where liberals have an enormous amount of power, where their
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Speaker 5: power is unmolested by Republican influence, they cannot blame Elon,
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Speaker 5: They cannot blame Trump, they cannot blame that the Republicans
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Speaker 5: in the Senate. They have the power, they're not delivering.
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Speaker 5: They're spending more per capita than any other place, but
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Speaker 5: they can't actually deliver results. And I think one thing
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Speaker 5: that we're seeing to go back to a question you
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Speaker 5: asked earlier where you said, are these people delusional? Are
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Speaker 5: you trying to change their minds when they leave Los
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Speaker 5: Angeles and they leave San Francisco, or are you trying to
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Speaker 5: to grab them and shake them and say no, absolutely not.
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Speaker 5: Values are right. It is the state that has failed,
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Speaker 5: and we're trying to find a way to align the
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Speaker 5: quality of governance with the expectations that those residents have.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, is it the lack of molestation by Republicans?
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Speaker 1: So what the problem for them is, Well, there's two things.
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Speaker 1: One talking to Barry Weiss is going to become like
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Speaker 1: ripe coded, so their advice will not be taken maybe
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Speaker 1: when it should be. And two that if your values
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Speaker 1: are correct, but the state is the problem, and the
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Speaker 1: state is the only vehicle you have ever imagined delivering
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Speaker 1: your promises with. Yeah, how are you going to fix
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Speaker 1: that problem? Because you might have noticed the contrast of
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Speaker 1: SpaceX and NASA in the last secon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what they're going to suggest, because
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Speaker 2: if they've been selling this idea that first of all,
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Speaker 2: that only they could fix it, and what they need
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Speaker 2: is a republican proof government to do it.
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Speaker 3: And some of their brighter people are pointing out, well.
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Speaker 2: We have that in some places like San Francisco and
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Speaker 2: other cities.
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Speaker 1: It's failing.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how they get over that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know either, And they're talking, but I do
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Speaker 1: think I need far be it from me to praise
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Speaker 1: as reclined. But since he is sounding like me lately, Yeah, you're.
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Speaker 3: Really just praising yourself. You're like, I'm so smart.
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Speaker 1: I do appreciate that he is engaging with this, right right,
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Speaker 1: they're just saying the thing that you're not supposed to say,
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Speaker 1: which is like, Hey, all these liberal cities are ours
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Speaker 1: and it's not going so great for the people we
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Speaker 1: think we are serving. And I think that is an
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Speaker 1: important part of the realization. He also talked to David Shore,
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Speaker 1: a data analyst, about his thoughts on why Democrats lost,
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Speaker 1: And this is in the New York Times, so you
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Speaker 1: can't write code this one, and it's like Democrats need
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Speaker 1: to face why Trump want. David Shore is a person
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Speaker 1: who I think, earlier than many came to the conclusion,
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Speaker 1: certainly earlier than many on the left came to the
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Speaker 1: conclusion that there's an education split happening between the parties,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily a race split or an ideological split. It's
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Speaker 1: high educated, high income people are becoming Democrats and middle
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Speaker 1: class and working class voters with lower education attainment are
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Speaker 1: becoming Republicans, right, And that is something that was very
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Speaker 1: noticeable in twenty twenty four, and they're having to engage
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Speaker 1: David Shore to try to figure this out. But David
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Speaker 1: Shore has a story of his own from twenty twenty, right.
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Speaker 2: Carol, Yeah, tell us you reminded me of this right
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Speaker 2: before we went on that he was canceled in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: I mean I'm sure it was really bad. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: he killed multiple people or similar right.
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Speaker 1: Well, in true twenty twenty style. And this is I
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Speaker 1: think it is funny because we've covered a couple stories
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Speaker 1: where like someone canceled by the left had to be
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Speaker 1: resurrected to like, oh wait, we're seeing this person right,
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Speaker 1: we need your information now. So David Shore in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty merely pointed out, using data analysis, which was his job,
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Speaker 1: that Nixon and Republicans during the sixties had benefited from
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Speaker 1: violent forms of protests. This was pretty well respected social
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Speaker 1: science research. It wasn't anything crazy. It was a fact.
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Speaker 1: What might argue that actually wasn't.
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Speaker 3: End up working out that way for Trump.
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Speaker 2: So it's even it's interesting that he still ended up
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Speaker 2: on personed for that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, sure had publicized research. This is reason reporting from
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Speaker 1: the social scientist Omar Wazau showing that violent protests tend
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Speaker 1: to backfire on progressive goals, tipping the nineteen sixty eight
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Speaker 1: election in favor of law and order candidate Richard Nixon,
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Speaker 1: for instance, whereas peaceful protests often succeed. So he was
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Speaker 1: just saying in June of twenty twenty, like we should
16:58
Speaker 1: think about tactically what this means for us, and for
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Speaker 1: citing this uncontroversial thing, he was deemed very problematic, pretty racist,
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Speaker 1: and needed to be fired from his job.
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Speaker 3: So it was a crazy time. Kids.
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Speaker 2: People got fired for stuff like that. And I don't
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Speaker 2: know did the left learn their lesson? You know, it's
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Speaker 2: interesting because you actually said the line. You know, they're
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Speaker 2: not allowed to say things. There's still not allowed to
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Speaker 2: say certain things. There's still very much guarded what they're
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Speaker 2: allowed to say. I'm sure the memory of these firings
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Speaker 2: and cancelations and all that it has.
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Speaker 3: To be fresh for them.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago.
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Speaker 3: And I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: That a lot of people on the left are afraid
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Speaker 2: to say what they believe to be the truth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and good on David Shore, by the way,
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Speaker 1: for being willing to continue to talk about the data,
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Speaker 1: even in the New York Times where he's probably going
17:54
Speaker 1: to get backlash from their readers. And he points out,
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Speaker 1: among other things, he said, this is the thing I'm
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Speaker 1: most talked by in the last four years, that young
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Speaker 1: people have gone from being the most progressive generation since
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Speaker 1: the Baby Boomers. Yeah, and maybe even in some ways
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Speaker 1: more so to becoming potentially the most conservative generation that
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Speaker 1: we've experienced, maybe in fifty to sixty years. Right now,
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're conservative.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so either.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what they are is clearly seeing the Democratic Party
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Speaker 1: as not an option.
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Speaker 2: For them, right because what are the Democrats really offering
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Speaker 2: them right now? Blowing up Tesla's like you could be
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Speaker 2: mad with ed Elon Musk with us, like, yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: it's tough, and you know, he tweets like as Democrats
18:35
Speaker 2: try to shape the story against Trump, the most effective
18:38
Speaker 2: critiques of Trump were actually similar to the ways Democrats
18:41
Speaker 2: ran against Romney. He gave a huge tax cut to
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Speaker 2: the wealthy and trying to cut programs of Social Security
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Speaker 2: and Medicare. We're in a very different time. The attacks
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Speaker 2: that landed on Romney don't touch Trump. It's a fully
18:55
Speaker 2: different universe now.
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Speaker 1: No, And I think they're wrestling with the fact that
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Speaker 1: this they have of themselves. What was a party of
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Speaker 1: the working in middle class, that we're going to do
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Speaker 1: the best we can and help everybody exist on a
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Speaker 1: higher plane and all that stuff, and we're going to
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Speaker 1: do it with some of these rich people's money became
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Speaker 1: just like really rich elites telling everyone else what to
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Speaker 1: do exclusively, and those people were not interested in that.
19:23
Speaker 1: COVID was like the distillation of that and what ends
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Speaker 1: up happening, and this is shore again, he says, I
19:30
Speaker 1: would just say this shouldn't be all that surprising. I
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Speaker 1: think now we identify the Democratic Party as straightforwardly liberal,
19:36
Speaker 1: a shift from where it was in the past. But
19:39
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party used to be a coalition between liberals,
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Speaker 1: moderates and conservatives, and as liberals became the dominant coalition partner,
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Speaker 1: it makes sense the conservatives and moderates and the coalition
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Speaker 1: who were disproportionately non white, given that this ideological polarization
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Speaker 1: happened among whites twenty or thirty years ago, would start
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Speaker 1: to shift. That's another alarm bell for them, young people
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Speaker 1: and non voters shift to the right.
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Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right
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Speaker 2: back with normally. There's a story right now about a
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Speaker 2: very popular leftist influencer, Harry Sisson.
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Speaker 3: Is that am I pronouncing his name right?
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Speaker 1: No? I think you got it right.
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Speaker 2: He apparently had many online relationships with these young ladies.
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Speaker 2: I don't even want to call it relationships, because were
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Speaker 2: they relationships Mary Catherine.
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Speaker 1: Well, so that's the thing. So Harry, this is like
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Speaker 1: a big gossipy story on the left leaning and right
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Speaker 1: leaning media right now. Harry Sisson was like a hacky
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Speaker 1: hack hack TikTok guy. Yeah for Biden, Like whatever Biden
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Speaker 1: said was great. He was like, oh my gosh, he
20:47
Speaker 1: was the.
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Speaker 3: Only guy who thought Biden won the debate.
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Speaker 1: That's a great way of explaining him.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So he became very popular as like millions of followers young,
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Speaker 1: and he's young guy, he's like twenty years old. And
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Speaker 1: so some of these women come out and say, oh,
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Speaker 1: he was dming me and he was telling me we
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Speaker 1: were exclusive, and he was snapchatting me and saying that
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Speaker 1: we were an item. But it turns out he had
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Speaker 1: like twelve women he was dming and talking to. So
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Speaker 1: I dig into this because I'm like, Okay, I believe
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Speaker 1: that Harry Sissen is probably a player in a hypocrite
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Speaker 1: who says, as many male feminists do, I love women,
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Speaker 1: and I work for women, and I want you to
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Speaker 1: be empowered. But is he probably trashing them behind their backs? Sure,
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Speaker 1: betraying them. Sure. So I'm willing to believe that. I
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Speaker 1: go through the stories, and what I was surprised to
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Speaker 1: find is that a woman who said she'd been played
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Speaker 1: by this guy and that nine months in she thought
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Speaker 1: they were exclusive, but they weren't. She'd never met him, ladies,
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Speaker 1: And like, I'm look, I think you were done wrong.
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Speaker 1: Probably in some real ways. If you ever met a
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Speaker 1: man in person, you are not in an exclusive relationship
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Speaker 1: with him.
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Speaker 2: I'd say, you're not even in a relationship with him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not real life.
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Speaker 2: Like I this is something that I think we need
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Speaker 2: to explain to our kids that if you're having just
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Speaker 2: an online relationship, that's not a relationship. But having said this,
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Speaker 2: and why I relate it back to what's going on
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Speaker 2: with Democrats is they have to live under their own rules.
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Speaker 3: They canceled people for far less than this.
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Speaker 2: A season, Sorry was canceled for like offering a woman
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Speaker 2: the wrong wine in his apartment, and he barely has
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Speaker 2: worked since then.
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Speaker 1: That was one of the more egregiousness that was a mistake.
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Speaker 2: Well, I called that the end of the me too era,
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Speaker 2: and I think that that was probably pretty close to correct.
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Speaker 2: But you know, as he'son Sorry was also a feminist
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Speaker 2: and also on the left and also defending all that,
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Speaker 2: and then he got caught up in it, and I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: You're going to have to live under your own rules.
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Speaker 2: And so I have friends on Twitter, you know, saying
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Speaker 2: things like don't meet to this Harry system. I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying destroy this kid's life, but you made the rules,
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Speaker 2: and I think that he needs to have to play
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Speaker 2: by them too well.
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Speaker 1: And for anybody who is a public figure or who
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Speaker 1: is involved in the dming back and forth, let's all
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Speaker 1: just be real that anything you give someone is subject
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Speaker 1: to release at some point, right, so think about with
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Speaker 1: whom you are doing that, be able to vet whether
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Speaker 1: that person is being honest with you. This is just
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Speaker 1: like old grandma advice from me.
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Speaker 3: Kids, just assume.
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Speaker 2: Everything you tell a stranger on the Internet is going
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Speaker 2: to be public.
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Speaker 3: Live like that.
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Speaker 1: But I do not mind women getting together and being
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Speaker 1: able to call out a player and say like, hey,
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Speaker 1: watch out for that one, buy or beware. I think
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Speaker 1: that's fine. Sure, let's not ruin his life. And I
23:50
Speaker 1: think ladies just be careful who we're engaging with in
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Speaker 1: those ways. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well.
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Speaker 2: Our last story is on the Snow White movie, which
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Speaker 2: is finally coming out after what seems like a decade
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Speaker 2: of bad press, like it.
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Speaker 1: Actually has been a decade. By the way I read
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Speaker 1: the timeline, Ina.
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Speaker 6: Was it really I was gonna say it's like three years,
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Speaker 6: but twenty sixteen is when it was announced, and it
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Speaker 6: has had controversies every like year and a half since then.
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Speaker 1: So here we are, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: This movie.
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Speaker 2: So some of the controversies have been that they were
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Speaker 2: going to have little people play the dwarves, but then
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Speaker 2: somebody had a problem with that.
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Speaker 1: I think Peter Dinklish had a problem, which I was everybody.
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Speaker 3: Reversed himself and said, no, we want the work. I
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Speaker 3: don't know.
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Speaker 2: It is completely confusing what is going on there, But
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Speaker 2: so they replaced it with CGI Dwarves. And then of
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Speaker 2: course their actress, Rachel Zegler, she plays snow White. She
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Speaker 2: has been just somebody who makes all kinds of kind
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Speaker 2: of comments to the media that end up alienating people.
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Speaker 2: It's just been a real bad time for them.
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Speaker 1: Well, and Zegler was the lead in Spielberg's remake of
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Speaker 1: West Side Story, which is how she got this gig,
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Speaker 1: and she was absolutely fantastic in that movie. There's no
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Speaker 1: reason she couldn't have been good in this one, and
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Speaker 1: yet she just kept talking about how much she disliked
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Speaker 1: the story of snow White and been all of her
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Speaker 1: outside politics on top of it in really gross ways
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Speaker 1: sometimes And yeah, it just hasn't gone well for the marketing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing is with Disney, people love this brand.
25:40
Speaker 2: I mean, we both know people who are like, really
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Speaker 2: committed to Disney in so many different ways, even people
25:46
Speaker 2: you know, ostensibly on the right. But she in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty two, she said that the original version of snow
25:51
Speaker 2: White had a big focus on her love story with
25:53
Speaker 2: a guy who literally stalks her. Weird, weird, So we
25:56
Speaker 2: didn't want to do that this time. I was scared
25:58
Speaker 2: of the original version. I think I watched it and
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Speaker 2: never picked it up again. There's nothing Disney people like
26:04
Speaker 2: more than the original versions.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, her trashing this was a problem.
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Speaker 2: And then of course she went on after the election
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Speaker 2: to say that Trump and Trump supporters specifically should never
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Speaker 2: have a moment of peace, and then she got into
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Speaker 2: a political disagreement with Galgado over Israel and so on
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Speaker 2: and so on and so on. But you know, I.
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Speaker 3: Root for Disney. I am not like Tim Walls.
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Speaker 2: I am not hoping that an American company fails. I
26:31
Speaker 2: will say that Disney stock was one hundred and fourteen
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Speaker 2: dollars a year ago. It's down twelve percent at one
26:36
Speaker 2: hundred dollars today.
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Speaker 1: This is a.
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Speaker 2: Company in trouble, and they can and should turn it around.
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Speaker 3: I hope that they do.
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Speaker 2: It's very hard living three hours away from Disney World
26:46
Speaker 2: and never taking my kids anymore because I don't trust them.
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Speaker 2: I would love to see them fix themselves, and I
26:53
Speaker 2: would love to see them.
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Speaker 3: See what's going on here. And this movie might have
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Speaker 3: a decent opening. They're predicting fifty million dollar weekend, which.
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Speaker 2: Is better than other movies right now, but still far
27:04
Speaker 2: less good than other Disney releases. I'd love to see
27:08
Speaker 2: them recover and take a saner path the way a
27:12
Speaker 2: lot of companies are doing right now. A lot of
27:14
Speaker 2: companies are seeing the light and saying this Wolk thing
27:17
Speaker 2: hasn't worked out for us, and taking a saner path.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, this is I believe the liberals call
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Speaker 1: it accountability culture. I just I just want to note
27:28
Speaker 1: on the controversy front that the way it's framed in
27:35
Speaker 1: Hollywood publications and in mainstream media is that Rachel Zigler
27:40
Speaker 1: and Gal Gudaut had you know, diverging and equally loud
27:45
Speaker 1: political opinions. Oh, it says, from MAGA backlash to ableism
27:52
Speaker 1: discourse to the diverging political positions of its two stars,
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Speaker 1: snow White has been plagued by enough controversy to drive
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Speaker 1: anyone to a poisoned apple. Galgadot's position is that she
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Speaker 1: is Israeli and should therefore be allowed to exist. She's
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Speaker 1: Israelian Jewish and like those things should exist on the earth.
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Speaker 1: That's her big take.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and she just even like say it. She just
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Speaker 3: like wants to continue existing.
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Speaker 1: She gave a speech where the thesis of the speech
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Speaker 1: was like it shouldn't be controversial for me and Israeli
28:25
Speaker 1: due to exist. Yeah, that's her big that's her big statement,
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Speaker 1: right right. Also, can I say that they were off
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Speaker 1: the rails on this movie from the beginning when someone
28:33
Speaker 1: asserted to anyone that we could suspend disbelief that Galgadot
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Speaker 1: is not the hottest woman in the movie.
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Speaker 2: Fact, Yeah, I think Actually, I also eat two things.
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Speaker 2: I think that they're trying to shift the blame over
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Speaker 2: to Gal for when this movie inevitably tanks. That's one
28:52
Speaker 2: thing and the other thing is, and I wrote about
28:54
Speaker 2: this for Fox, is I think they're trying to drum
28:56
Speaker 2: up the controversy between these two actresses so that we
28:59
Speaker 2: will go see this movie. I think it's too late
29:02
Speaker 2: for that kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: Dall's the only reason I would be there, and I do.
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Speaker 1: I think you're right, Carol, this is their chance for
29:09
Speaker 1: a hard reset after this one.
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Speaker 2: Take it, Disney, take it. We want to go back
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Speaker 2: to Disney World. We want to trust you again. Be normal,
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