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Darren Indyke And His Epstein Related Congressional Transcript (Part 3) (10/8/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  Speaker 1: back in to the Darren Indyke transcript from his trip
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  Speaker 1: to Congress. Question, this time I'd like to introduce what
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  Speaker 1: will be marked as exhibit number three. And this is
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  Speaker 1: a letter sent in 2008 by Mr. Epstein's criminal defense lawyers,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutors in Florida. And it says, when Epstein was
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  Speaker 1: under investigation for crimes committed against minors. This is a
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  Speaker 1: compilation of statements from various employees of Mr. Epstein, all
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  Speaker 1: attesting to its good character. This document is base number
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  Speaker 1: EFTA 2857458, and I'd like to direct your attention to
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  Speaker 1: page 13. We're specifically looking at the bottom of page 13,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll give you a moment to read. And for
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  Speaker 1: the record, we're reviewing the italicized portion. Did you write
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  Speaker 1: this email, Mr. Indyke? And why did you contribute? A
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  Speaker 1: statement for this. Answer. I believe I was asked by
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  Speaker 1: defense counsel to contribute a statement for him. Question. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a part where you mentioned that Mr. Epstein had
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  Speaker 1: provided emotional and financial support. Is that in reference to
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  Speaker 1: what you previously described as help for infertility issues? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And for the record again, why did Jeffrey Epstein offer
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  Speaker 1: to pay for these services? Answer. I can't tell you
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  Speaker 1: what was in his own mind, but I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you my perception. was that he was being generous to me.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't really know me very long, and there was
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  Speaker 1: no kind of obvious benefit to him at that stage
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  Speaker 1: in my career with him. So I guess he was
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  Speaker 1: being generous. I will say this, you know, in the
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  Speaker 1: years that followed, he did this kind of thing for
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  Speaker 1: other employees, friends, and acquaintances. He appeared to be generous.
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  Speaker 1: He appeared to understand that his money could do good things,
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  Speaker 1: and he appeared to use his money to do things
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  Speaker 1: like that for people. Question, did he provide you any
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  Speaker 1: other support besides the infertility support? Answer, can you be
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  Speaker 1: more specific in terms of a time frame? Question, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're looking at this character reference around this time, 2008. Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: but you know that was a big deal, obviously. It
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  Speaker 1: was a very difficult time for my wife and I,
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  Speaker 1: and it was very meaningful to me to have that support. Question,
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  Speaker 1: it's a poignant letter that you wrote here. Did you
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  Speaker 1: see that whole packet that was submitted? I do not recall. Question,
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  Speaker 1: were you aware that the changes were pending at the
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  Speaker 1: time that you wrote your statement? Answer, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: remember when this, when this statement was written. It was
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  Speaker 1: kind of fluid at the time. Answer, well, you knew
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  Speaker 1: that there was some kind of criminal allegation against him,
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  Speaker 1: which is why you, there was a criminal defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: that was asking you to write these letters, right? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: there were allegations, right? You know what those allegations were. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it depends at what time you're talking about. Question, can
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  Speaker 1: you speak up for the mic, sir? Indyke, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm not speaking well enough. Indyke, my understanding, basically,
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  Speaker 1: that the allegations against him at the time, I think
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  Speaker 1: at the time this was going on, you know, forgive me,
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  Speaker 1: it was a while ago, but I think the allegations
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  Speaker 1: at the time that this is a state investigation in
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  Speaker 1: Palm Beach or that there were massages at his house,
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  Speaker 1: some of those massages wound up sexual in nature. And
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  Speaker 1: at that time, it wound up being a case that some,
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  Speaker 1: there were some underage women there in the massages. Question,
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  Speaker 1: that's good, so you understood that. That those were the allegations,
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  Speaker 1: or the note, of the charges at the time you,
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  Speaker 1: you wrote your letter. Answer, I did understand that those
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  Speaker 1: were the allegations, but if I could talk a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more about that, I'd like to, if that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they're, question, I'm sure they're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into that. I just want to ask one other question.
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  Speaker 1: You wrote the letter. Criminal defense attorney asked you to
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  Speaker 1: write the letter. Did you ever discuss the charges with Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein before you wrote your statement? Answer, no. Question, you
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  Speaker 1: never talked to him. You never talked to him once
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  Speaker 1: about these allegations before, even though you just described somewhat
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  Speaker 1: of what you knew about them. You didn't discuss that
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  Speaker 1: with him at all before you wrote the good character
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  Speaker 1: reference for him? Answer, to the extent that there were
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  Speaker 1: discussions with Epstein, they were always in the presence of
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  Speaker 1: defense counsel. There were many, there were many lawyers there,
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  Speaker 1: and I was a member of that group, so I
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  Speaker 1: never had it. I never had a personal conversation with
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  Speaker 1: him like that, like the one you're suggesting. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: during that, during those conversations, I assume that Mr. Epstein
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  Speaker 1: wasn't mute. He was speaking, perhaps, about the charges. Answer, so, well,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of things. I want to talk to you
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  Speaker 1: about them, but I will say this. I have a
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  Speaker 1: balance of privilege here. I have a balance of privilege here,
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  Speaker 1: but I also don't want it to be that I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to withhold anything from you. So at the time
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  Speaker 1: that this was going on, what I was learning from
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  Speaker 1: the defense people who were investigating it was that the
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  Speaker 1: investigation was full of allegations that were in many ways untrue.
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  Speaker 1: contradicted by the record, transcribed statements from the witnesses. But
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  Speaker 1: what I understood, what I understood from the attorneys, was
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  Speaker 1: that the police investigation was flawed, and somehow either biased,
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  Speaker 1: or there was something, or the facts of the investigation
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  Speaker 1: as described in the police report were inconsistent with recorded
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  Speaker 1: statements from the witnesses, omitted information that the witnesses gave
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  Speaker 1: them in recorded statements. There was even, if I recall,
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  Speaker 1: there was even in the police report, um, reference to
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  Speaker 1: a trash pool, where they're, They were, the police report indicated,
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  Speaker 1: that they found a sex toy in the trash pool,
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  Speaker 1: and it later turned out that what was identified as
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  Speaker 1: a sex toy was in fact a broken salad utensil.
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  Speaker 1: And so when the police used that information from their
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  Speaker 1: report in their affidavits and their arrest warrant, they kept
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  Speaker 1: that part about finding sex toys in the garbage pool,
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  Speaker 1: but never mentioned the fact that it was later found
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  Speaker 1: out to be a salad utensil. That there's also no
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  Speaker 1: mention in the police report about the fact that Epstein
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  Speaker 1: had been adamant he didn't know that anybody was underage.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, there was, as I understood it, because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't do it, but as I understood it, there was
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  Speaker 1: a lie detector test, a polygraph test, where Epstein indicated
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  Speaker 1: that Epstein had been truthful when he said he didn't
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  Speaker 1: know about the AIDS or so. Now he's cut off
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  Speaker 1: by the speaker, Mr. Endyke. So let's go back to
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  Speaker 1: an earlier question that I asked you about when in
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  Speaker 1: context of that charge, when in context of this adjudication
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  Speaker 1: of guilt and the sentencing, I assume you can correct
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  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. You wrote this in connection with
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  Speaker 1: the sentencing or pre-sentencing report on behalf of the defense.
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  Speaker 1: Is that accurate? Answer, I don't know for a fact,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't. That's not what I recollect. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so what I find intriguing about what you just testified to,
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  Speaker 1: rather than some other lengthy detail about the theory of
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  Speaker 1: the defense of Mr. Epstein. So it's something that is
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  Speaker 1: stuck in my mind and stuck in my head. When
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  Speaker 1: this was written, it was written once. I don't, it
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  Speaker 1: was also a very long time ago, and so I
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  Speaker 1: can't tell you precisely when it was written, and I
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  Speaker 1: can't tell you, I just can't tell you the full
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  Speaker 1: context when this was submitted. Question in your opening, you
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  Speaker 1: said that after 2008, after his guilty plea, you thought
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  Speaker 1: that he was contrite and that he learned from his mistake,
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  Speaker 1: and you said that you were horrified to learn of
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  Speaker 1: the crimes he committed. Answer, what crimes are you referencing?
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  Speaker 1: Question after 2008. Answer, so now... With hindsight, he was
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  Speaker 1: never charged, or I'm unaware of any charge or reference,
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  Speaker 1: times post-2008. Is there, so what charges are you referencing?
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  Speaker 1: What crimes are you referencing? Answer, I'm not referencing any
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  Speaker 1: charges after 2008. Indyk, I don't specifically know what occurred post-2008.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I didn't see any criminal activity. But
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  Speaker 1: what I've seen now are allegations by a number of
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  Speaker 1: women that have come to light after he died. where
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  Speaker 1: they settled because these things happened, and while I've never
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  Speaker 1: seen him do anything that way, nobody's ever reported anything
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  Speaker 1: to me that way. I'm clearly with all these things,
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  Speaker 1: saying that this happened after the fact. I cannot say
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  Speaker 1: what he did or didn't do, a lot of bad things,
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  Speaker 1: so learning this after his death, I feel horribly, and
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  Speaker 1: that's what I said. I do feel horribly. Question, so Mr. Indyke,
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  Speaker 1: just go back to your statement you wrote that was
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  Speaker 1: inserted in the defense statement. I'm just wondering, was it
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  Speaker 1: your normal practice to write such a letter of recommendation
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  Speaker 1: on behalf of someone without full understanding of the ramifications
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  Speaker 1: of what you were saying and the allegations in the
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  Speaker 1: context with which you were being asked to write that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, did you know why you were being asked
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  Speaker 1: to write that specific statement? Answer, I knew what people
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  Speaker 1: were saying. We're making allegations against him, which were kind
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  Speaker 1: of contrary to what I had observed in him. And
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  Speaker 1: the truth is that I felt they asked me for
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  Speaker 1: what he had done that was generous to me, and
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I could be honest about that, and
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  Speaker 1: so that's why I did it. Question, so I'm aware
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  Speaker 1: that you were a transactional attorney, probably did, general ramifications,
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  Speaker 1: but you understood, I would guess, as an attorney, that
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  Speaker 1: somewhere along the pipe you had to understand something about
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  Speaker 1: criminal law, that your statement was going to be used
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  Speaker 1: to facilitate a reduction in sentence, reduction in charges, or
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  Speaker 1: some benefit to Mr. Epstein, in light of the rather
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  Speaker 1: substantial charges, which you described in some detail, that you
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  Speaker 1: were aware of? Answer, at the time, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: this is the first time anything like that ever happened
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  Speaker 1: to me, so to some extent, this is all very
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  Speaker 1: new to me. I'm still representing the person. The person
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  Speaker 1: that I represented never exhibited this kind of conduct to me,
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  Speaker 1: and it was very generous to me, and at the time,
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  Speaker 1: gets cut off by you, but even though he was
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  Speaker 1: generous to you, and you understood this was going to
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  Speaker 1: be used to facilitate either a reduction in sentence or
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  Speaker 1: reduction in charges. Answer, but I also understood the answer is,
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  Speaker 1: I understood that it was going. I didn't know it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be used for a reduction in charges
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  Speaker 1: or a reduction in sentence. I understood it was going
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  Speaker 1: to be used to give... to law enforcement as a
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  Speaker 1: character reference for him okay I did understand that question
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  Speaker 1: and so why would you give a character reference if
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  Speaker 1: not for a reduction of sentence or reduction in charges
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's why you would give something like that
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  Speaker 1: to the police agency is it not answer that's not
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  Speaker 1: what was going on that's not what I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: at the time All right, it wasn't. Question, Mr. Endyke,
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  Speaker 1: you referenced attorney-client privilege. Answer, aye, just for the record.
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  Speaker 1: If you wish to assert any privilege, you must say
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  Speaker 1: so on the record. So far, there hasn't been a
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  Speaker 1: very specific question of that, Endyke says. If that does arrive,
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you know. Question, and we're going to jump
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  Speaker 1: around a little bit here, but you had mentioned that
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  Speaker 1: the allegations that were made against Epstein during the 2006-2008 period,
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned that those were untrue. Who did you make
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  Speaker 1: that determination, or how did you make that determination yourself? Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: that was communicated to me. Question, who communicated that to you?
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  Speaker 1: And it was communicated through defense counsel. Indic answers, and
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  Speaker 1: the reason I can discuss it is it's the same
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  Speaker 1: statement that defense counsel made in documents they delivered to the,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, to the government. Question, and for the record,
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  Speaker 1: who was the defense counsel? Answer, Epstein had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of defense attorneys at the time. Off the top of
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  Speaker 1: my head, Gerald Lefcourt was one. I believe Jack Goldberger
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  Speaker 1: was one. I believe Mike Teen was one. Dershowitz, Alan Dershowitz,
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  Speaker 1: I think I mentioned. Lily Sanchez, a different. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to remember who was all involved at that particular time.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl Reich, I believe, was a lesbian attorney, a criminal
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney at the time. Guy Lewis also. Marty Weinberg. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the attorneys came on at different times. So
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell you exactly who came on when. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
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  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.
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  Speaker 1: All the information that goes with this episode can be
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