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Episode 1715 - Former Navy SEAL Clint Emerson · Drinkin‘ Bros Podcast

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Drinking Throw.
• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, welcome to Drinking Throw's Kids.
• 0:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Friday showed a day here and we don't know who's going to pop by.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what's going to happen.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's always weird.
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's always wild.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was a late last night watching Elon fly cars over other cars last nights.
• 0:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Man, damn thing.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you catch any of that?
• 0:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's always interesting to see
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: people who have been on their couch for what for a long time.
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
• 1:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Jesus Christ, man.
• 1:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, also, you know, the first right-butters flight, the one that actually got off the ground was 13 seconds.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: And now we fly of, like, mock 30 year, whatever the fuck.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's drones everywhere.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, fuck off, dude.
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we will have flying cars within 15 years because of this guy.
• 1:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not even a joke.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's an absolute fact that we'll have flying cars within 15 years.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so what do we seeing here, Anthony real quick?
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: He flew on a hot wheels track upside down, but the hot wheels track ended and instead of falling straight to his death, the car flipped over using thrusters and used thrusters to land gently on the ground.
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's unbelievable.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's another shot, believe I don't know if you saw it, but he flips over his own cars.
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Later on, yeah, God, it was incredible to watch.
• 1:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching it live last night because if something is going to knock off Thursday night football or The brewer's going to the world series for Christ's sake.
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be something spectacular and this was incredible I mean look at this car just flying over other cars and is I'm reading the the comments on Twitter last night I'm thinking the exact same thing our guest today is
• 2:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just somebody who's lazy.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, after watching this, sorry, Clint.
• 2:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You are, you're right.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Clint Emerson's here, round of applause.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're a round of applause here.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're all lazy compared to that guy.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Navy SEAL SEAL TEAM SIX, like all of it.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: But to Dan's point earlier, is I was thinking the exact same thing last night as I'm going through Twitter.
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's the same with you where it's like, okay, cool, you got a guy who's flying cars and then you got a guy who's like you in special operations, the seal team, all that other shit six.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure they're just like, man, fuck you, baby killer.
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you see people on the internet like this, you're like, this is what I fought for.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you definitely have moments with the liberal community out there.
• 3:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm all in support of
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, how long?
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: How do you not see that as an amazing feat?
• 3:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's doing it with compressed air, which kind of makes you wonder where oil is going to go in about 15 years.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're able to do that with compressed air.
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, especially if you're ever able to capture it again.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, one of the theories that Carl Sagan had about space travel was being able to
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: have a big umbrella in the front of the spacecraft because there's no air resistance, there's no air in space, right?
• 3:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: So have a big umbrella in the front that collected ions from, you know, nearby bodies, celestial bodies, and then accelerating them and basically like a certain style and firing them out the back and being able to go, like theoretically over
• 3:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: the course of six or nine months you would be able to get to somewhere like 99.7% speed of light or some shit like that.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's where we're headed.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like fossil fuels, this is a thing.
• 4:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: When the government tries to get involved in anything, it fucks it up immediately because the government is run.
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: by pick me a whole monitor, twats, who don't know what the fuck they're doing for the most part.
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now there's a lot of smart dudes working in government, don't get me wrong, but the people, the brass people that make decisions like that are all retarded.
• 4:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you just let markets do what they're going to do, you'll get the best possible product.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: That includes law, by the way.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: even Ruth Bitter Ginsburg said that Roe vs. Wade was a mistake because it was already going all that shit was already getting settled in the courts in every state and then they interrupted it for 40 years for no fucking reason.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's all that stuff is really dumb.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't get it.
• 4:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I get it.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're trying to justify their existence in shit but with the hell.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like for you, Clint, I've read a hundred deadly sins.
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's excellence.
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just pretty much it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we've got a guy named Blue Kier that works in our studio who's just always looking at hot girls in the background.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is wrong with your dude?
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is wrong with you?
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I always catch it out of the corner of my eye.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've got some weird feet up, dude.
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I blame Twitter personally.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I was going through all the cool car photos and now you know, it was like Asian.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty like, yes, that was just tips.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right in front of my face.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: What exactly is this person?
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't think that's a dude.
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you got to make it worse for me, but still.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's why is that my face?
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Luke, like, yeah.
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's AI of Shane Gillis dressed like one of the gentlemen who was talking about.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, tiptoeing in my jaunes.
• 5:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, dude.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm in the middle of, I mean, mid sentence of the book, dude, and then you show me some fucking girl crying and I'm like some, yeah.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Either way, 100 and deadly skills, huge book, all that other stuff, but like, when something like this comes out, I was just before the show started, we were talking about the reviews and all that other stuff.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you have this many reviews, and you get a negative review, over anything you've done in your illustrious career, which we'll get to in a moment, how do you just keep it inside and not respond to these guys of exactly what Dan said earlier, like, what the fuck did you do this week?
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, initially when the book came out and I had no idea what I was doing, I wasn't a social media person, I'd see all these comments, people being smart asses, and I gotta say it bothering me lasted about a split second, but what I did is I went and created, you know, a cut and paste.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: statement for all of them that I used to do on a regular basis and tell my agent was like, hey, I think you need to stop saying that and I was like, okay, and the statement was basically like, hey, well, and it was very military, okay.
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you tell your mom to pull her big black dick out of your mouth or put her big black dick back in your mouth and shut the fuck up.
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I would cut and paste that shit in on a regular basis to the point where, you know, other people kind of started regulating and said, Hey, you probably don't want to do that if you plan on writing more books or, you know, having a public, you know, more of a public persona.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Amazon doesn't let you do it.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're not amps when you do it and every agent's going to say that by the way So I've never I've never responded to anybody on Amazon because they'll pull you.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you know that but like is the author Social media.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is okay.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just focus on it.
• 7:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but it's like
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you have a guy like you who's so unassuming, um, I'm sure you walk out in public and people, you know, say things or fuck with you, whatever, uh, Dan not so much like he walks around with a with a resting J6 face, so it's like okay cool.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's gonna fuck with that dude anyways, but with you, I'm sure you get these moments where you're just like, come on, man.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, what do you do here?
• 8:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jim, you know, you middle management, whatever it is?
• 8:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't get, honestly, like, I don't get it, hardly any, uh,
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, every blue moon, it's somebody at the airport that's like just yells my name like I know them like, Clent, you know, like they've known me for 10 years or um, but even recently I've kind of steered clear of all of it and if I do hear my name yelled out loud, I kind of just ignore it and keep walking honestly like because I'm kind of removing myself from all that, you know, I just,
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I never really liked the spotlight, but it's required.
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a, you have to.
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to sell books or sell anything these days, you've got to do social.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to do all this stuff.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I've always just tried to maintain being me and, um, and try to be respectful.
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now instead of telling people to put their mom's dick in their mouth.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: But, well, you know, the around it part of our dad's clink is that that sentence makes sense.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now in 2026.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because their mom probably does have a dick.
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, so maybe bring it back.
• 9:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't I'm not your publishers.
• 9:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I might work.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do have I do have a if you want to go joint on a on a new book It's a parody of a hundred deadly skills.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've been thinking about it a lot lately It's called a hundred deadlier skills a man's guy to dying earlier than necessary and it's just a bunch of stupid shit dudes do to kill themselves early
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you could really get coffee table book with, uh, with dumb cartoon drawings of all the dumb shit men do.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, because your book is all about how to survive hostile, not permissive environments and shit like that.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, stuff that, uh, more advanced than what you would have learned as a kid, but some of the stuff is shit you would have learned as a child, uh, you know, 50 years ago.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, it's just like, here's an iPad or whatever, but, um, you know, these are obviously a little bit more,
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: uh, uh, uh, uh, elevated skills, but I like the idea of um, pointing out how stupid we are, as well.
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's weird.
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like it.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of him, dude.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you see the black rifle coffee car drop with Jared and Travis Pashrana?
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: They dropped it off a thing onto a cliff and then a thing and all that stuff.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I saw that, yeah.
• 10:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: All I kept flashing in the back of my mind was you're on life insurance on our policy bro.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Holy shit cuz part of me is like I hope they make in the other parts like oh my god That would be a lot of money for the company, but you had to do that deadly if you did the deadly is deaths That would be fucking rad dude.
• 10:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like I mean, it's silly dumb as shit ever It's silly silly shit like refusing to make two trips For grocery bags and you fucking fall down the stairs.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's an easy one.
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yep You know, there's a million or like hey y'all watch this There's a series of activities that haven't after that
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought the same thing with Jared, I was like, do you want that card dropped?
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, if you died right there, like you know how dumb that is, right?
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're that's it.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It looked like a magnet or something.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to travel for Shana's Instagram, Blue, you can find it.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But for you, let's start from the beginning, when did you decide, hey, I want to go into the military and then potentially go into Buds.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's somewhat of a popular story of told a couple of times, but it was basically a fraud, a guy who said he was a Navy seal in the Fringford Airport, told me a really cool story about he and his buddies taking out any aircraft guns, so that the B111s could come in low and not get shy out of sky.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: When we bombed Libya,
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, and I was probably 10 years old or whatever, and he tells me this whole story.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, and I was sold, right?
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I said, well, what do you mean?
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You were in your buddies when it took out in your career?
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we sneak in at night, and we, you know, shoot all the personnel, and then we put, you know, explosives on the guns, and then, you know, time fuse, run away, boom, it all blows up.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, fuck, yeah, I want to do that when I grow up.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, we growing up in Salty.
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: kind of helped a little bit on the passion side, you know, growing up in a radical Islamic country like that, especially in the 80s.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was easy to get, okay, yeah, I want to do that job and I want to come back here and do it to these people.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of how, you know, it all came about.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you fast forward.
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I showed up to seal team three, which concentrated solely on the Middle East at the time and you ask some of the old guys
• 12:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Group one had like a historian.
• 12:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a hated we ever, you know, go take out an aircraft gun so that B111s could come in low because once you grow up and you realize B111s don't require, you know, low flight, right?
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the whole point of bombers, but
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're like, no, we never did that.
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I was like, oh, must have been Seal Team 6.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so then when I get out Seal Team 6, I'm asking people, I'm asking the historian, and like, well, they were like, we don't even think Seal Team 6 existed when that happened.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it was really easy process of elimination that this guy was full of shit.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the story certainly ignited a fuse in me.
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and for us, obviously Rob O'Neill's on our network, one of our B-Fries, Ray Cash Care, we love, and that's the question when we're out with those guys all the time, doesn't matter where we are.
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, how was bugs, man?
• 13:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was it crazy?
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was it, you know, nuts?
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: For whatever reason, and maybe it's the movies, Dan, over the years, that most civilians, like myself, everybody's so fascinated.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: in this story about how weak, about ringing the bell, how many people you went to class with and all that other stuff like we know way more than we should to be honest with you about what you guys actually do and that's the first topic man and they'll want to sit there for an hour you know with Ray or Rob or somebody like that and just I mean surely go over that and then it comes up of like yeah I think I could have done that man it's like no no you couldn't have
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's nothing wrong with that.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could never have done that, bro.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, never.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that bud's fascination, is it because it really is that difficult or it's just, all right, man, there's like 10 of us in the world.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... now i think everyone everyone across the globe wants to test themselves in some form right and if they haven't done it then hearing the details allows them to go into fantasy land and really evaluate whether or not they could have made it especially with men right i mean you want to know i could have done that maybe maybe not you know and that's where there's a lot of these
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know weekend boot camp so i think guys sign up for test themselves get a little taste of it so they can walk away with that next level of confidence that says that okay well i made it through the weekend i don't know if i would have made it through the six months but um yeah i think that's where the fascination is is
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know can I make it could I have made it and then they want to hear the details and be able to check off in their mind the things that well that's that cold water part probably would have gotten me or I like cold water that wouldn't have gotten me.
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, it's tough.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I will put it up against any military school out there, you know, having been in 18 Delta and gone through a portion of what is the, you know,
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, intellectually, that is a hard-ass course, right?
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think you've got different courses in the military that test different aspects of a human based on what they're going to do in their future MOS or NEC.
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so for Buds, when it's just going to be, Reckes and DAs, and that's all seals do.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't bother learning languages, we don't bother doing anything else, it's just, hey,
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Are you going to quit when things get squirrely and that's what the six months is truly testing and making sure that you're still going to stay in it work as a team and that mother nature isn't going to scare you off before the op even starts, you know, I think it does a really good job of that are this is a question I always like to ask folks like you are tier one operators born or made.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great question.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is a great question.
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Man, I mean, you could go in my experience, I have seen guys go to the national level that you would have never thought.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: on the theater level or the regular seal team side, you see them perform, but you're like, okay, well, it's no different than me.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's not like he's a standup guy, or he's got some talent, you know.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: He is mid-pack, you know, he gets great Avalse, he shows up on time, he does his job, he understands technology, understands tactics,
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'd probably lean towards, they can be made because then when you see them at a national level, they are a different person, you know, and maybe it was because they weren't challenged enough at the theater level.
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And now they can now go full board, right, go full sand and really,
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Push the limits where they couldn't in the previous world, if that makes sense.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So in
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe it's something that they were born with, but they just never got tested, but I have a feeling like you go through buds and you go through a green team or whatever selections out there and then now you're at a Tier 1 command.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: There is a process of elimination there that and training that lens to that you can build them, but it's not easy.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, here's why I love that question.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it wraps you down with any.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's because you coach kids.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were just talking about this yesterday.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I can tell as a kid, whether or not they're going to be able to do something or not in life.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it can be taught?
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You personally?
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that taught is the right word.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's from my,
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: from my experience asking and listening to the answer this question and my experience in human performance, I think that instincts and reflexes reach escape velocity for Tier 1 operators.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: And why it happens is a question for somebody else to study an answer, but I think a big part of it is escaping the prefrontal cortex and allowing your body to simply respond
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: and it's why repetition, repetition, repetition.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the thing that any, I mean, even tier 2 operators, but when you see, we don't get too much of a glimpse into this, but when you see a specific target hit, like, about a bad or something like that,
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, there's a there's a fucking mock built of it and they run that thing a thousand times before they ever set foot in it.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a reason for that is because I don't have time to fucking think and as fast as tier two Operators can clear room as fast as me and some of my buddies could clear rooms in the 80 second.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's different free flow CQB with guys that aren't speaking to one another
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: is different.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's different because they're not thinking they're just responding and that's a talent in itself It's a talent.
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's called being in the zone in sports, but it's something else.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's it's a rarity in sports It's something that you see guys achieve from time to time and the elite people like Jordan or Kobe or somebody like that achieve it more often than others, but it's still not the standard
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: For tier one operators it is the standard every goddamn day, otherwise somebody dies and to be able to reach that, I don't think, I don't know that if I don't know that you're born with it specifically, but I do think you have to have the mental capacity to unlock that and I don't know what that is, I mean people use psilocybin for it, some people meditate, some people fucking do breath work, who knows, right, but there's something going on there, if you've ever watched
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because I've seen the difference.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've watched the unit do, CQB, I've watched a dev group do, CQB, it's different than everybody else.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody else does it that way.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like being opt for,
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: for Delta back in the day when I was in the 80s, second, once guys at full sprint taken fucking head shots.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I don't know what you're doing here, but it's the crazy shit I've ever seen in my life.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: And when I asked them about it, they were like, you could train anybody to do this.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, you're being modest.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: But there is some truth to the, like somebody that can move their prefrontal cortex out of the way, might be able to achieve that.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've talked to a number of people about that, and that's kind of the sense I got.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wonder if you have it inside on that.
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I agree with pretty much everything you're saying because it lends to, I mean, the big piece and it sounds very elementary, but these are commands that have more money than God.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And all your job is to shoot.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is it.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't have any collateral duties.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: and they've got, you know, more ammo, more ranges, more of everything than anyone else.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, I would keep it simple and compare to this.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: You take someone who's got zero shooting experience and then they go to GBRS for the weekend and they come out there, you know, increasing or decreasing times across the board, you know, seconds.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And as you know, decreasing times by seconds
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  [SPEAKER_03]: in any shooting world regardless of who they are, where they're back around, where they come from, you know, that lens a little bit to that speed piece and the capability to learn and train, but when you crank it all the way up, then I think it's,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's why I wanted to ask you this because, you know, I look at you guys on like a pro level, similar to what you were saying about basketball and
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I personally think you're born with it.
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of kids and all that other stuff like there's got to be a drive inside you to do that specific thing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But then you also have to have some form of talents to be good at that specific thing.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, and I think if everybody's honest with themselves, like civilian ones, we were talking about earlier, I don't know that I,
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: could have achieved that at that time, like 18 years old, 22 years old, because my brain to your point was built for something different, but you guys is clearly wasn't.
• 31:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think everybody at home is always looking for that direct correlation of like, yes, can I do this?
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Could I be trained this?
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Could I have actually become this?
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Could my children become this?
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I've never had that answer for parents, like, for real.
• 31:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's all right here, I think it's definitely in your head, you know, you'd have these just buds, you know, you'd have these Olympic-level athletes show up, straight out of college, and quit in the first three weeks.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you're looking at them like, dude, you're, they crush the oak horse, they crush the runs, the swims, they are smoking everybody,
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the elements or the pressure or whatever it is gets to them and at the end of the day, that's all in your head.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I'm always like, hell, if I made it, anybody can make it, you know, kind of philosophy.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of people get inside their own head and it fucks them up, and then they can't really recover very well.
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Did you said that he has a why to live, can bear almost any how, and I think that's one of the things, like when you hear stories about Jordan, he would take offense to shit that never happened, and then go out and score 50 on somebody, just like as a means of self-motivation,
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's really interesting.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a bunch of group psychology studies on tier one operators, actually one by MacRandle and Jennings at Naval Post graduate back in 2011, I think, and they
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: 22nd essay, yes, Delta, the number of other organizations.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: And they were trying to figure out what you were describing.
• 33:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, is there something beyond just this evolutionary primal need to protect each other and impress each other as dudes that's contributing to that ability?
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because I mean, I'm sure you've got some personal stories on this, being able to feel people
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the room and it's like there's maybe your brain is as better at computing speed and location and stuff like that than you aren't thinking about it out loud You know what I mean or maybe there's something else going on there.
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: We don't really know.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean that they've been tried to figure it out for a long time.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think anybody's got a real
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll real grasp on that, but I'm sure you've got some stories about, you know, the six cents, not just about some activity that's about to happen, but about moving through some space with five other dudes and you just happen.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: You just know where everybody is all the time.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can't see them.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you can hear them a little bit, but you know exactly where they are at all times.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a weird fucking thing to be honest.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean it goes back to the basics where
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: even, you know, someone's silhouette under a crescent moon in the middle of the night walking toward you and you know exactly who they are and that is that.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just the highest level of training with on a regular basis, you know, you know, all the nuances of someone, you know how what it sounds like when he walks, you know, the nuances with his gear and maybe what little bit of noise that his gear may make.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know exactly who that person is.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Breathing.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I remember I could have anybody stacked behind me and I knew exactly who they were just based on how they'd breathe, you know.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, and at once again, it goes back to getting in the saddle with your guys and you're just going at it 24-7 and, you know, once again, they're your family and it's no different than, you know,
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, your son is walking through the house versus your daughter, and when you're hanging out with guys more than you do your own family, then of course, every little nuance becomes a fingerprint of a identification at any given time and any kind of environment.
• 36:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, even just the squeezes, you know, on a...
• 36:06
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• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know who it is.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's pretty crazy, but it's just time in the saddle with each other, you know, doing all kinds of crazy shit, you know.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to go back to this leadership quality because I truly think there's something inside of you that you're born with to be a leader and be able to naturally do this.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I've only had one kid over the years where I was just like that that is a natural born leader right there.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not Mike wasn't my kids.
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is other guys kids.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I asked his dad because I was fascinated with it and I go, hey man, I'm really impressed by your kid.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like a natural leader is the leader of this team.
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And and everything else I go by the chance for you military and he goes yeah, yeah, I was and I go oh Well, is that where it came from and he goes no I actually don't want him to be in the military.
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: There he goes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just something that you know He's born with and everybody rallies around this kid and he goes you know I think that's what he's going to do and then I ask him why is like well Why don't you want him to be in the military like you and he goes man?
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's gonna be drones and all that other stuff by the time it gets there
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, whatever AI is, you're still going to need guys like you who are showing up in the middle of the night, all over the world doing jobs that's most the time will never ever know about.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But back to this leadership thing, when you're in a group like that of all alphas, how old do you decide who the leader is or do you guys naturally gravitate towards someone that's with you?
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh i mean well as you know there's rank in the military so it makes it easier to know obviously who's in charge um the natural barn leaders and everyone on a whether it's in a squad ran or in a platoon or a trooper
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's, I think what it boils down to is respect, right?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So everyone respects one another and whoever is sitting in the leadership position, you're going to respect them, especially in, in our community, right?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Most guys that are sitting in leadership are, isn't because they're a shipbag and because they're fucking square away and they know what they're doing and they've checked off a lot of shit.
• 38:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: in order to get to where they are, and all we're doing is trying to support that leader, the best you can, which makes pretty much everyone a leader at any given time, which is another unique piece to special operations.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: As a whole, the leader could go down at any given moment.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: The next guy is going to take over and keep everybody moving forward, so that means every person has to have that capability and it's kind of ingrained into you.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, starting in Buds, and then for the rest of your career, and then, of course, if there's combat situations where leaders do go down, and now, you know, everyone else has to pick up the weight and keep moving forward, but I would say the easy answer is everyone is a leader and expected to be a leader and to lead themselves at all times.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But was there was there one moment where this is for both of you guys, um, where you're in a, uh, uh, of fights and the leader goes down and then you immediately say, all right, who's next, even though you're all working together and you're the same rank, um, was there a moment for you where, you know, something happened and you're like, all right, shits, this guy's going to take charge or I'm going to take charge or is it just natural when you're out there.
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now I think it's mostly natural.
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, when you're in contact like that, the first thing you got to do is get off the fucking axe.
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: You don't have time to set around and draw straws or who's going to be in charge.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody kind of knows going in if you're prepared the right way, who's got what duty during a situation, especially in casually situations like that.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: So it kind of just kind of unfolds.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe when you get back to, um,
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: to your cop or something, you know, things get re-sorted out, but not really in the moment like that.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're on some kind of sustained operation, somebody has to get pulled off for some reason.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: So something like that happens, they pull the whole fucking unit out.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Not out of theater, just like they'll pull your platoon or company or squad out of the fight and put a new one back in if somebody gets hit like that, which maybe that's the right decision.
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• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're holding a fixed position or if you're doing brekkies or some shit like that, now you've blown everything in the hole, all the downstream operations fucked now because of this one thing, I don't know, but that was my experience for the most part I'm sure at the one and two level, it's quite a bit different.
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you still got to get shit done.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree with you.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's very organic.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, at that point, you've got a lot of season dudes, right?
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And get a two or one command.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's already got a couple of combat deployments under their belt.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh,
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: They've been there done that in so many different ways.
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: They've already got all the calls.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people probably don't know that every school you go to, leadership is built into it.
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Every but a training that you do, leadership is built into it.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So organically over time in a military career, you end up becoming a leader.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now some are better than others, and it goes back to
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know DNA and then parenting right so you know if your DNA happens to have all the markers for a lawyer and then you parenting was either really really good or completely fucked up because 86% of our community come from broken homes you are going to probably excel as a lawyer right
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, when you break all that stuff down, it's pretty interesting because there's also just as high as statistic that says that we're all sociopaths, narcissistic tendencies, and everything else, but it's very rare to run into a guy that didn't come from a broken home and doesn't think he's the strongest fastest guy in the room.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there's something to prove at the end of the day is what you're saying like, hey, I can get out of this and I had to survive as a kid.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, fuck you.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to become this kind of, you know, I'll tell you from my experience coming from a broken home and I always thought of myself as a loser and I still do this day.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's like, I'm constantly trying to prove to myself that
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm worthy, and it never gets satisfied that feeling.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so what it does is it causes this drive of excellence and performance and I want to, and it's like I remember, as soon as I got my try it in and my peers, you know, punched that thing into my chest.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: The pride I had in myself lasted about 30 fucking seconds.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then it was like, I felt that, I downgeared back down to like, when you're still a fucking new guy, you're still a fucking loser mentality.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, now you need to fucking crank it up and try and suppress that feeling and then when I had the opportunity to kind of go into more of a special activities role and special world and same thing, you know, there's that split second a pride and then immediately it gets consumed by no you're still a fucking loser man.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you gotta just keep going.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's a lot of guys.
• 43:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've always been curious, back since way, way back in the day, there was always some, there was a building that was next to me, and there was always some form of leadership conference.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I would drive by it, and they would show on the sign, hey, here's who's speaking Friday night and Saturday night, since it would, you know, a lot of CEOs and executives and things like that.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about earlier that pay for courses or whatever it is.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think everybody's trying to seek out the answer, but from you, at least in your situation, that's just how you were born and raised.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you were like, right, great.
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: This came out of just my circumstances versus, oh no, I really wanted to do this and I was thrust into this and all this other stuff.
• 44:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think people have the wrong idea about leadership.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: We tend to conflate things from
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: from strategic execution, I guess, to leadership, and they're not the same thing.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can be really good at something and not be a good leader, or sure.
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Leadership is ultimately about personal responsibility.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's about enough responsibility that you're a fucking square away all the time and that not only are you maintaining yourself, but you're putting it's leadership,
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: You are there to make sure everybody else is taking care of whether you're a dad, making sure your kids eat first or whether you're a guy that's walking around, making sure all your guys are square away.
• 45:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the interesting thing about that process is that it is a two-way street and anybody that's been in a real leadership position knows this.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: As I'm walking around, doing PCI's and PCC's and my dudes, I remember something on my kids fucked up and I go fix it.
• 45:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of how the environment works and that's why being a good leader, you don't
• 45:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: You don't diminish yourself by putting everybody else first.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: What would you actually do to elevate everybody?
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've got a great example of levels of leadership where
• 45:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can have a meeting with your guys every morning and you know, break out all the tasks for the day and everything needs to get done.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there was one platoon where I was in a leadership position where I could literally right take a white board and on the left side, right everything and red that needs to get done today and everything and green that needs to get done that week.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: never had to have a meeting because everyone was so good at leading themselves.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have to tell them what to do, right?
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just would list it out and I probably didn't even need to do that because they were all so squared away at leading themselves and ultimately that's what.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: leading is all about.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Especially if you're going to lead yourself and you're probably pretty good at leading others because you got that expectation built inside.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's really about learning personality types after that.
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: How do I communicate with and motivate this man?
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's really good.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Once you have the ability to
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: maintain your own personal responsibility, that other stuff is academic.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can learn that.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's, you gotta be patient too.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Not everybody learns the same way and it's just like, uh, love languages.
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: You have to meet them where they are if you want to be good at it.
• 47:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, like you, you can, you can live with the expectation that they have to come to you a little bit of it.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: At some point you have to meet people where they are.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and for most, uh, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: people, that's probably the hardest part of it.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's probably the hardest part of it because if you're that good at something, you're probably a type A personality and being a type A personality, it's like, gotta go, gotta go, gotta go, gotta go, you don't have time to slow down.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, when somebody's in a panic, for example, my brain wants to rationalize with them and this and this and all the stuff that my dumb autistic brain wants to do.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: But in reality, what I should do is sit down next to them and breathe the way I want them to breathe until they start doing it.
• 47:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then we can talk.
• 47:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's how you're supposed to handle that situation.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's very challenging for me, even with the kids.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's challenging for me.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: But you know, you force yourself to do it.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, that's something you obviously also learned a little late in life, you know?
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anybody learns that early in life when you're right, you know, it's safe and people get big.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: They just want to be hugged and even the people that want to, even when the people that get small get quiet and kind of want to run away.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also, you know, coincidentally want the same thing and, you know, I learned that way later in life and
• 48:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: wish I would have known it sooner because it would have dealt with some of the leadership problems probably differently and would have solved him a lot faster.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, he's using doesn't work for everything.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think hazing is mostly for the story to be honest.
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like, my fondest memories are our leaders saying super fucked up shit, which in the moment I was like fuck you and then like two hours later when we're sitting in a barracks room like that was really funny.
• 48:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but it's yeah, that's a challenge and I don't know.
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think this is a problem that we're describing right now and it's one that you're a lot of your books are intended to solve directly and it's a problem of transmission.
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's something that we have in the West.
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: routinely, and only one direction fallen short on, and it's transmitting the things we know to the next generation.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you know something that's a useful skill that your children don't know how to do or the young men around you don't know how to do, that's your fault, not theirs, and
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: you know I mean somebody should have told us somebody like there's there how much stuff do you not know how to do that right now that you're dad know how to do.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a fucking problem, right?
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not a critique of parenting or anything like that.
• 49:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a problem with our culture now, that we don't respect it enough to transmit it to the next generation.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's why people are so susceptible to these dumb ass ideas.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: And like, oh, things get a little bit expensive.
• 49:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's do socialism now.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Shut the fuck up.
• 50:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's easy to shut the fuck up.
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're a dumb kid who taught them many different, right?
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're the ones to taught them.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is completely our fault.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's a story here locally that's going on.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was actually outside my neighborhood, 14, 15-year-old kid on the E-bike, went outside the neighborhood, drove into a car, got hit by the car, and they actually arrested the parents.
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you heard that in Wilmington.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there was some uproar as reading the comment section of like, should the parents be arrested?
• 50:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was this kid, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It comes back to what Dan is saying with responsibility.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you should have taught your kid that.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's one of the first things you teach your kid and look both ways and all that other stuff.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So personally, I didn't have a problem with it, but I didn't find it to be like a 50-50 split.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's simply down to parenting in that point.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there it is right there.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And pop that up on screen.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it is down to parenting, or, you know, which is the same thing as leadership, except for your leading a child versus a unit, and all that stuff.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I didn't have an issue with it, but others do.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's reductive to say it's just parenting though, because,
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's, yeah, at the end of the day, I'm responsible for what my children think and do and all this bullshit, but a big part, and this is why we tend to fail really badly at this.
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Tokedville wrote a lot about this about how the individual's feeble we can feeble, I believe you said, but the group is strong, right?
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're a parent today, you're battling your ice skating up hill against all the worst information that's ever been, and it's right at their fucking fingertips, and that's just the technological element of it.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not all the nihilist fucking turds that are out there in public acting like assholes all the time.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Our heroes for a long time were, you know,
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Jimmy Stewart who was a fucking Brigadier General the Air Force and an actor, or all the men who left successful careers in entertainment and sports to go fight in World War II.
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Those used to be our heroes.
• 52:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: And now it's some dipshit pranking people on the internet.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's that's it's not just about parenting.
• 52:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's about
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: it's more than parenting and I say that because whether or not you have kids, whether you had them in their grown now and you're on to something else, you still have a responsibility to contribute to our culture.
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm with you and it's one of the reasons one of the other books I did that during a pandemic is called the Rugged Life and I went around to all these folks who are home
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what does that mean?
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: They don't have time to sit here and fucking listen to the garbage that's out there.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Instead, every single member of the family has a job and that job usually lasts all of the daylight that they have in order to keep the family
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: up and running, fed, watered, warm, shelter.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's always something to be done.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so the rugged life was like, all right, you know, these were skills that every member of a family knew just a short hundred years ago.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't that long ago.
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody knew their part.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it started when they started walking, you know, and, um,
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it extends for the rest of your time.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like convenience these days has created a lot of time.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And with that time, we have filled it with all the garbage, unfortunately, which has derailed everybody's ability, capability and skills, and any form of self-reliance.
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when that happens, then of course, if you have generations of kids that become parents, and it is why we have ended up where we are today.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, now you've got to, now you have to talk about the political consequence of that.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's another thing that Togvill spoke about in great detail.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's that as we lose capacity, we invite more intrusion from government.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's how it works.
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can't damn something anymore.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: So now somebody, the government has to do it.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: And the way they do it is to build a permanent agency to solve a temporary problem and charge twice as much for what it's worth because they have to pay people to do the thing that should have just been getting done.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: And if you are a small government person, and you are not actively working on your capacity to do things that prevent the government from intruding into your community, then you're not a small government person, your person who likes the idea of it, right?
• 54:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's most of us, frankly, because life's busy now and we've all got goals to be rich in famous or whatever stupid bullshit we want.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the reality is,
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: we're all entangled constantly in these political dialogues and none of us are doing the right shit not one of us out there unless you're because if you're it's just it's uh and it doesn't require your it doesn't require all of your time it requires a little bit of all of our time that's the fucking thing that I would like to get across the people you don't have to like remake your identity is somebody that that is honest that lives off the grid somewhere anything
• 55:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I would it would be nice if we would take it seriously at some point instead of just rooting for fucking politicians because of the color of their tie Yeah, and Clint this book I'll be honest with you.
• 55:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't read this.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so there you go.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You want some fucking honesty.
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
• 55:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: This one I didn't read However, we Dan and I have a mutual friend who who essentially lived the rugged life still is but he got
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna say who it is because he got very rich first and was a totally different person and then just decided to switch it.
• 55:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey dude, we're all staring at phones too much, computers too much, everything else.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: But huge piece of property, it was out in Texas and wife, kids, they grow their own food, they, you know, he teaches him how to skin, deer and shoot, sit in an early
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: everybody else and everybody's got a task throughout the day and they'll come back and do X, whatever that task is.
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the way he shows into live his life now, but I always think like if he wasn't rich, would he be able to do this?
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Would you be able to do this, you know, like, that's always the biggest thing for me.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: The answer is no.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: You wouldn't be able to do it, but if 30 of you do it, no one has to be rich.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the difference.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the nation of joiners.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's what Tocqueville called it.
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: America's a nation of joiners.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what made us, that's what made us capable of fighting off the largest empire in the history of the world, with a bunch of fucking farmers and muskets.
• 57:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that was it.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it take that that's saying, you know, it takes a village is so true because the biggest hang and I have a whole realistic budget in the rugged life too that kind of shows like it's not cheap to live off-grid.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it is it can be very expensive and that's the part that sucks with
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: the advancement of technology and, you know, you look at what they were using back in the day to plow a field versus what you would need today.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that piece of machinery now, you have to purchase it, you know, and and or you need Amazon to drop off a part to repair it.
• 57:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't give a moment.
• 57:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you need electricity to run things.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: You need batteries to run things, which
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: one thing will lead to another, but ends up costing more to grow that one thing you're trying to grow than it would be to just go buy it from a grocery store.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, but if you've got the numbers then yes, now you can do it.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I know my buddy Moj Torrey runs, excuse me, he runs Black Guns Matter, which is a not-profit that goes around at teaches.
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: black people in cities, how to use fire, get and use firearms responsibly in the Constitution and shit like that.
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: One of the other things he's been doing is in his local community is starting like community gardens and stuff like that, nothing, nothing stopping you from doing it.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 58:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nothing's stopping you, but so to see your point earlier like when I saw the photos on Instagram and everything else has just like man It's admirable don't get me wrong, but how much that fucking cost him because to your point like even my father used to grow these you know like it's a made-o garden
• 58:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Something else he grew up I forget.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was vegetables.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was a kid.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like I'm not having that bullshit So you know have fun dad, but also I asked him how much of that cost you like would it have been cheaper for you to go to the grocery store versus You doing this and he goes well one I enjoy it
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: to like, um, it is a skill that everybody should have and everybody should learn to grow the own food and everything else.
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And uh, because I'm not selling it for Christ's sake.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, this is just for me and us and our neighbors and things like that.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, you know, I'll teach you how to do it.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, cool.
• 59:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a small thing.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But now, as you get bigger, like trying to build a house or something like that.
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yet, your first instinct is to call Amazon or go to Home Depot or whatever it is, but when you look back in the day, they didn't have any of that.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, you just had, you had your people and your people came and then they all built each other's homes one at a time and While the rest of them were still sleeping under the wagons every night, you know, can you imagine when you look at some A Taylor Sheridan's like, what was it 18, 20, whatever, you know, and yeah, 18, three months was, yeah, moving from Fort Worth all the way up, you know, into The Wyoming or Montana with a fucking wagon.
• 1:00:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: you're going to get up there in the snow and survive and build a home and you know plant your flag in the ground and it's insane, you know, like how don't even know where to start with that these days.
• 1:00:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: No one does, right?
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.
• 1:00:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, and into your point, watching that show, there was one scene where, like, you know, Uncle Jimmy's got a yellow arm and they were like, well, he's going to die.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just got him put him down by the river and the wife's like, what, like, I'm here.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we got kids and shit and they're like, no, no, he's, he's going to die and we're going to, like, we can't be around Uncle Jimmy's.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So pick a new husband who's looking for a new husband, you're going to need it.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where is that?
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Does it really exist?
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: like a nuts man, there's a part of me had loved to experience that and it was like damn, that's the ultimate fucking guy to roughing it, you know?
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, maybe you should saddle up and hit the organ trail and write a book about that bullshit.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, could you imagine using all the things that they used?
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: You just like let somebody's got to die from each thing, though, snake-by-dismissed.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'd like.
• 1:01:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: What I'd like that a lot.
• 1:01:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the other most fascinating things about you here is you're the only special operator ever inducted into the international spy museum, which, first of all, I didn't even know existed.
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where is the spy museum?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And what does it take for one to get into that?
• 1:01:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the Spine Museum has been a fixture up in DC for quite some time.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the most visited museum out of all the museums in DC, if that tells you anything.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And it is basically a house of history that preserves the world of intelligence, collection, espionage, and even special operations.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a great idea.
• 1:02:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is moved.
• 1:02:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: The original one was on F Street and the picture you just showed is the new one which is closer to all the other Smithsonian museums and it's incredible.
• 1:02:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, even the building is a work art and let's go inside.
• 1:02:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is a tour, but you've, I mean, you've got to do it.
• 1:02:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it'll take you through all the different forms of espionage, specific to America and even, you know, other countries, but there's stuff that hey, you know, where it all began and you're like, oh, the civil war was where we kind of start honing in on tradecraft or hey, there's
• 1:02:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: All of these different areas in time all over the world that can be correlated as it relates to trade craft, espionage intelligence collection, and special operations.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of great OSS stuff, which was the predecessor to CIA, a lot of current day stuff that's in there.
• 1:03:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, you just pay 20 bucks.
• 1:03:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's an awesome couple of hours.
• 1:03:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd say it's the most entertaining couple hours out
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And do you see that's really cool.
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd never heard of it in blue.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're very good at your job when you're not sinning You know, it's looking at tits all day in the background for crisis.
• 1:03:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a yin and yang, you know.
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's not what you call them It's an odd But I'm looking at this if you can see it he's got you know you inside of here, right?
• 1:03:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: What what is that?
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it a mask at the bottom camera one is kind of covering it.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah So
• 1:03:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I had a, you know, a rare opportunity to do offensive technical operations against, you know, Al Qaeda and Somali pirates and all of the popular flavors of my era a bad guy.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was really, I mean, I was just lucky.
• 1:04:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you fucking, who would have thought, but a part of that was,
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: disguise.
• 1:04:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, having, you know, takes about six months to have a mask fit to your face that literally will, right there, it looks like a mask on a stick, but in the image.
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what it does is it forms to your face once you put it on, which then makes it look very realistic, you know, to about three feet away.
• 1:04:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It anchors, you know, to the bridge your nose, your cheekbones, or forehead, it's what they call it non-animated mask.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have non-animated and you have animated, if you're a language speaker then you're truly trying to set off that you're a local or something like that then you would have an animated mask, which means if I raise my eyebrows the masks, eyebrows move, if
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: All facial expressions are then transcommunicated to the mask and the mask does the same thing.
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's several folks that make these things.
• 1:05:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very obviously niche world, but some of this stuff was made by guys in Hollywood and, you know, on the special effects
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: people with the the highest level of technology to be able to create stuff like this.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: That particular mask is what's called like a four or five second mask, right?
• 1:05:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can you can put it on super quick and just change your identity.
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: That would be unrealistic to do, you know, because if you change your face and you're still like on the same fucking clothes, it doesn't make sense.
• 1:05:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a greater education and trade craft that
• 1:05:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: connected to using disguise.
• 1:06:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I had the opportunity.
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was my my Arab.
• 1:06:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can put him on and be him and go do things at night and appear to be a local rather than,
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh a white guy cracker though and you always have to assume you know cameras and many cams and all of that exists it's far too cheap these days so everyone's got a camera and if you're trying to do something that zero attribution to the United States government along with zero forensics then
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, you kind of have to have a mask.
• 1:06:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You kind of have to be very skilled in disguise.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've been to this new one, but the old one had a bunch of the old Tony and Johnna Mendez stuff.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: They ran, they called it something.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: There was a nickname for it, but it was an OTS in technical services.
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And they spent years making fucking disguises for dudes and women too, I mean, just for operators, case officers, fucking knocks to your dudes all over the place.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they ran that shop for a very long time, and yeah, I had to opportunity to, you know, hang out with them several times, and then there,
• 1:07:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: That very, man, it's such a unique skill set because you're combining so many things to create, you know, a mask, I mean, it's,
• 1:07:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: and talking about real hair, right, and how to sew it in, and you're talking about late text versus silicone, and how to really shape it and form it properly.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, it is a process that is super cool, but yeah, you're right, Jonah and Tony were the grandfather, grandmother of disguise and really wrote the book on it.
• 1:08:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: What since you mentioned Hollywood, is it like a character?
• 1:08:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you have to learn Arabic and then communicate with people through the mask?
• 1:08:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: How does that work?
• 1:08:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, so all of my master or non-animated.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they were just strictly to, you know, just in case a local and or video was captured.
• 1:08:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So my main job was CMOE.
• 1:08:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it started when I was at the NSA, which is Clandestine Methods of Entry, which is just, you know, getting into places, whether it's vehicles, vessels,
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: structures of all sorts, by passing and or manipulating locking systems, alarm systems, and getting in the target.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's only really two reasons I'm there.
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's either technical or tactical, but either way that person is probably going to die.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's for where I was at and
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you're just going in to do a client, SSE, which is sensitive side exploitation, collecting intelligence, or whatever they've got inside, or maybe I'm placing something, you know, I can place audio, video tracking and kill devices.
• 1:09:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, but really if I'm there for technical reason to collect, it's just basically prolonging their death.
• 1:09:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if I'm there
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, man, I'm looking at this right now in the background.
• 1:09:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember years ago on this show, it was a reporter at the White House who had asked, yeah, and if this was real, she was in the room.
• 1:09:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Joanna, did you work with her?
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jonna, yes, I've gotten it.
• 1:09:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jonna, excuse me, I didn't get to work directly, but once you're in that little world, you end up meeting her, and then I met Tony before he passed away as well, you know?
• 1:10:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, I mean, between the two of them, they were incredible, not just disguise, but documents and passports and fucking drivers, I mean, they could do a lot of stuff, man.
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was, um, I've seen some of the work it is fucking wild what these two people were able to do.
• 1:10:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then, uh, some of the while we won't get into the rest of that.
• 1:10:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll just say this from she told a story and she's like a friendly like, you know, grandmother type figure and there was when I was watching this, I was like, there's no way that this is the person who's putting mask on you guys to go out and kill people in the middle of the night, somebody's friendly grandmother.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, there's a really nice, there's a really funny anecdote about her walking into H.W.'
• 1:10:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: 's office, and he remember he was the, the, the,
• 1:10:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, a lot of people believe he was a knock.
• 1:10:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's probably true And he was the director for a while.
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: He walks she walks into his office Whether her husband and she's wearing a mask making her look like 20 years younger and he had no idea who she was He's like who's this lady?
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's like she's whoops the mask.
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm he's like what the fuck what the fuck are we doing here?
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Which probably looked?
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, maybe she made Dana Carbies when he was doing that HW impression
• 1:11:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: that would have been good.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's exactly.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's always been a really funny anecdote, just to demonstrate the capability of it.
• 1:11:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: She wore it because he had been vice-president since 81, obviously, right here.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: He had been out of the game a little bit at least for a while.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: She shows back up.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's 10 years in to public service instead of being in the agency and all of a sudden, they got this kind of stuff going on.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was completely fooled by it.
• 1:11:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
• 1:11:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:11:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great video of my mask.
• 1:11:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know.
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is that part of the TV show?
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: It must be new.
• 1:11:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because it was, I think that she did some kind of documentary back to 2019 or something.
• 1:11:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I remember what year it was.
• 1:11:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was before COVID.
• 1:11:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's by Atlas Obscura on YouTube.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, and again, Luke, really great at your job, and you're not sitting over there.
• 1:12:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, probably.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just stay away from the nudity just for, you know, an hour and a half or whatever.
• 1:12:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a big ask.
• 1:12:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but when you said you didn't get to speak, what happens if somebody bumps into you?
• 1:12:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or hits you, or ask you for a direction, or, you know, maybe it's a bad guy who you've run into, or they're like, hey, something's off here with the fuck's your name.
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, great question.
• 1:12:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of times, there was only one time where I almost got rolled up, full disguise at the door, making a key and somebody just kind of, it's the middle of the night, it's a neighborhood and it's not like neighborhoods here in the States where there's a lot of ambient light.
• 1:12:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's fucking pitch dark.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: all of a sudden someone's like literally kind of approached from my right.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm on and me, you know, and there's nothing you can really say that as far as cover for action or cover for status, it's going to work in that situation.
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Fortunately, it was so dark.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: really couldn't see what I was doing, but there was just enough reflection off the glass to the right where I could kind of make out like what the fuck is this and so I had this I call like a hobo type set up where it's a circular mat.
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: and it has 550 cord running through it where it creates like a per string or you grab it anywhere and the whole thing draws clothes, right?
• 1:13:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's the fastest way to kind of if you've got tools, you just keep them on the mat and if you know you're getting rolled up, you know you can grab that thing and any given spot it's all going to cinch up into one little hobo bag if you will.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I've been to look for the same stuff.
• 1:13:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, the SOP really was, you know, we were developing this shit on the fly, but, you know, you don't speak.
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, even though I grew up in Saudi and I've lost some Arabic from time to time, it's still not going to be local, and it's not worth doing, because you just sound like an American trying to speak Arabic, right?
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: To anybody who hears you so,
• 1:14:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Homily stood even though my adrenaline was going to the fucking roof and and I just I write hook the dude as hard as I could And then fucking walked away.
• 1:14:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean he didn't see it coming because you know It was pitch dark and probably didn't expect to get hit and then I you know just
• 1:14:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: get away from the X as quickly as possible.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: The further you get, the more layers of cover you put back on.
• 1:14:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of where your safety is and all of that type of stuff.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: But any other time you're you're going into these targets, very rarely are the occupied.
• 1:15:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a couple of times like
• 1:15:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if I'm putting a track to device on a vessel, you know, I'm just waiting for them to go to sleep, the harbors dark, to a clock in the morning, I'm not really running into people and having to like talk.
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not the purpose of any of it.
• 1:15:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you're not dawning the disguise until it's time.
• 1:15:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there is a time for that when you plan your surveillance detection routes.
• 1:15:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you plan routes,
• 1:15:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: in order to then do whatever the mission is and then and then you're out, right?
• 1:15:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Soon as it's over, it's over and you do another route to make sure you're still good to go before you go to your safe side or home or wherever.
• 1:15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and with Johnna in particular, the thing that I was thinking is because she was so nice and jovial and all that other stuff and it appeared as if she was working on Hollywood for years and
• 1:16:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Years and years and years.
• 1:16:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think planted the apes.
• 1:16:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was that it, Luke?
• 1:16:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was on there, you know?
• 1:16:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is old movie not the new one and I wonder if she ever made a mask?
• 1:16:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: that somebody got killed in, where it wasn't good enough for you saw a scene or maybe because I just finished watching Chad Power season two, which is awesome, but you look at that and you're like, oh, yeah man, if you're too sweaty, if you're hot, if you're nervous, if you've got adrenaline pumping through you, we'll make that makeup in that late text, very uncomfortable underneath, and it might shift just a tad and somebody's like, that's not right, fuck this guy.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is anybody ever been killed in one of these?
• 1:16:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not that I'm aware of.
• 1:16:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they purposely unclassed these masks because they used to be classified, you know, like long time ago, long before my era probably decades.
• 1:16:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: They unclassified it on purpose so that if you were about to get rolled up, you could throw, throw it in the trash, right?
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you're not, you know, getting in trouble for throwing away classified material.
• 1:17:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, which is just dumb to begin with, but it happened, I'm sure.
• 1:17:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's number one.
• 1:17:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Number two, I've, you know, what I heard from them is that a lot of times disguised as always used defensively and it's always used to, you know, for the most part, go meet an unknown potential source for the first time to protect their identity.
• 1:17:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Imagine you're, you know, a case officer and you're working in Moscow and you, you want to recruit someone
• 1:17:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this person that you recruited also lives in Moscow, right?
• 1:17:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you wouldn't want to run in.
• 1:17:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: You wouldn't want to go and talk to them as Clint, because you could then turn around and run into them out in town as Clint, right?
• 1:18:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: That just doesn't work well if you're trying to maintain a certain level of discretion in a country.
• 1:18:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a very basic use that I think was used more often than not.
• 1:18:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm going to ask the obvious here, just as we got, I got to know.
• 1:18:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or people fucking in these two, like when you're an actual spy, do, is that allowed, like, you know, I don't know if you're married or not married or whatever, you don't have to talk about it, but like, we always think of it as the sexy, you know, professions, uh, you're meeting in a,
• 1:18:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: in a French cafe, sliding a mineral envelope and then having this.
• 1:18:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Romantic encounters with these people, does that happen when you're...
• 1:18:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure somebody did.
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would have to guess whether it's just putting it on at home for their wife, you know, like, I don't want to try this out to
• 1:18:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me fuck you in the mask.
• 1:19:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 1:19:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, no, it's totally cool.
• 1:19:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You like, it'll look like a different person.
• 1:19:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you can't tell anybody because it's classified.
• 1:19:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:19:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, decades ago.
• 1:19:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll tell anybody not even with this thing's classified.
• 1:19:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to kill you after we're found.
• 1:19:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to come, obviously.
• 1:19:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But after that, I'm going to have to kill you.
• 1:19:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was there any shit that you ever said no, too?
• 1:19:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're like, hey, guys, this is a bad idea.
• 1:19:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or do you have that option?
• 1:19:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: There is absolutely nothing I would say no to.
• 1:19:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you know, that's once again that mindset, like, when you...
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when you're in any of those, whether it's on the tactical side or on this trade craft side at that level, like you're looking to do like the most fucked up riskiest shit you can come up with.
• 1:19:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you kind of, you want to be the first to like, okay, you know, offensively went into enemy territory and full disguise and was able to do X, Y, and Z to a target
• 1:20:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: and it actually works.
• 1:20:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which is not actually like all that.
• 1:20:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: That turned out great, you know, or, you know, there's plenty of times where things don't go so well, but no, you don't, you're kind of hoping your leaders will tell you to go do something fucked up because it's like, well, all right, let's do it.
• 1:20:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But in the shit you're doing it's super fucking crazy and we're kind of seeing all the images in the background here on the left and With what you were doing in the disguises and all that other stuff.
• 1:20:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just wonder if there was ever one time where like well, I'm probably gonna die tonight Yeah, there was a couple moments
• 1:20:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there was one time, there was a very popular bad guy as an American citizen named Anwar Al-Alaki, and you may remember him, because he had full use of YouTube.
• 1:20:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is back when YouTube sends her nothing.
• 1:21:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is when people in orange jumpsuits were getting their heads caught off, and YouTube wasn't like pulling it down.
• 1:21:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, um, he's a guy that radicalized, uh, the Dalesson, by the way, we talked about that early in the week.
• 1:21:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Hanwar had part-port influence over Raccalization and any anyone in Al Qaeda.
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was the number two guys, American citizen.
• 1:21:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: His dad, you know, and son-on, Yemen, and he came to the United States, got educated.
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he had a magazine called Inspire, which is a full-blown published magazine that radicalized people taught them how to make, you know, bombs and IEDs and everything else.
• 1:21:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they had the diagrams and the ingredients and everything he needed.
• 1:21:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But on YouTube, he was, you know, very popular and radicalized the Boston Marathon bombers.
• 1:21:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: He radicalized the Fort Hood Shooter that's looking at, you know, firing squad.
• 1:22:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: He, um, radicalized the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber.
• 1:22:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, pretty much the reason, you know, all the reasons, right, that are all the reasons when you used to go through TSA and take your shoes off because of this guy, right?
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So once Ben Laden was dead, he became a pretty popular target and CIA missed several drone strikes on him.
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so then, you know, we got pulled in.
• 1:22:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, all right, I've got to be a little more creative.
• 1:22:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, we knew we wanted his drivers who was coming into Sonnau.
• 1:22:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it would always, he would always park in front of a, this like convenience store.
• 1:22:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's always open like 24 seven.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was really smart because the cash year faced the parking area.
• 1:22:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the driver would always kind of put the car like right there, point blank in front of the cash year.
• 1:23:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, man, you know, that makes it difficult to, you know, put a device on here, and it was an active store, but a, you know, some moment, you know, I had to comment your fan and cut a fucking hole in it so that you could park basically parked next to the target vehicle.
• 1:23:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, way you can go into the back of the van, pull the trap door, drop down to the street, roll from underneath the van, to underneath the target vehicle, put a device in place.
• 1:23:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And um, that night, of all nights, you had, um,
• 1:23:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Two guys on a motorcycle pull-up, while the install was going on, you had a fucking wild dog start sniffing around and that's the worst, right?
• 1:23:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Any animals?
• 1:23:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because you cannot control that, you can do shit.
• 1:23:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Once that dog knows you're under there and starts reacting, I mean, your fuck, you came up along the side and was sniffing around and missing that.
• 1:24:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: but getting really redact react and nobody saw it, you know, but the part of the story that, you know, of course all of those elements are all potential to get caught, you know, or get rolled up, or compromise, you know, that that car and that driver have been targeted because obviously, you don't want anybody knowing that.
• 1:24:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but the probably the funny part of the whole thing is, you know, go back and, you know, we're looking at the screen and can see this, see the device start moving the next day.
• 1:24:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, at the literally at the 24 hour mark, the fucking thing stops, there's nothing, like, what the fuck, you know, like, what happened and, you know, it took a good solid seven days to figure out why this thing wasn't.
• 1:24:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: doing it's doing what it's supposed to do, you know, because the tag had several forms of communication on it, you know, it's what we call a matte tag, a multi-access tag, and you know, whether it's satellite, GSM, CDMA, you know, RF, I mean, it can communicate.
• 1:25:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, it wants where it's at.
• 1:25:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, for everything to go down all at once was very unusual and about seven days later, we realized, J. Sock, stop paying the bill on all the portions of communication and that particular
• 1:25:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't even say they missed their fucking bill at AT&T, that's it.
• 1:25:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody like running those accounts was like, wow, this is really racking up a lot of money, and it was, I guess in their system labeled as like a training device, or I don't know.
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a fucking, some mixed match fucked up inventory stuff, and yeah, it was all because of billing.
• 1:25:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Holy shit and then how long does it take to try to get that device back on his car or do that again?
• 1:25:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was roughly seven out seven days I think like a week or so and then I think everything in it got you know for for me, you know that that's representation of like
• 1:26:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm not, but if, you know, because you're thinking, oh, man, did this thing like somehow, you know, did they find it?
• 1:26:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, is the first thing that runs to your mind, you know, that you go get a fucking oil change and somehow somebody like saw, you know, who knows, but you have every scenario run through your fucking head or maybe, you know, out in the middle of nowhere, it's rough, rough roads.
• 1:26:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, you know, I would never had a device come a jar or fall off.
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's impossible, but, you know,
• 1:26:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're just weighing everything out, but yeah, about seven, seven days or seven, seven and ten days, somewhere around there, like we figured it out and everything got turned back on and it's like, okay, thank God, yeah, it's not all James Bond, man, so it's got a college, there's a lot of fucking messiness to some of this shit, you know, just like with anything in life.
• 1:26:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I were looking at each other of like his dance seems like it's another day at the J.O.B.
• 1:27:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: over here where he understands everything you were talking about obviously.
• 1:27:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where's Cooper just like, yo man, you're cutting holes through fucking vans and then rolling out and then popping it on and then going back in and a trap door.
• 1:27:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would think if I was at a dinner party and I was sitting next to you and you told me this story had to be like,
• 1:27:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of fucking liar, oh, and he used to wear a mask and then throw it in the garbage can and run away like none of this seems plausible.
• 1:27:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's so ever that's just that was your life for how many years 20 20, but you know more than half of it was this whole like
• 1:27:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: the clandestine covert side you know and yeah I even as I sometimes reminisce about the shit's like like I said you know you get so I was lucky and right time right place for you know there's plenty of guys it just even as a d-fi with a rifle you know doing their time in the military never got to go to war can you imagine I mean so the timing of
• 1:28:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: But at least for my guys in my era, I mean, what are the fucking, I mean, what a great time to have been in.
• 1:28:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have to imagine too, you know, like, guys that are in right now, these cheer-one commands with Trump, like, taking off the leashes, it's like, you know, what if another opportunity to just fucking clean house and be as creative as you want to be,
• 1:28:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, and knowing that the people who give you authority are like good with creativity because that's the stuff.
• 1:28:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you dream about when you're a kid.
• 1:28:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the creative aspect of special operations, you know, and having the freedom and the decision-making power to like, okay, this is what I think I want to do and then people go and, you know, I've told
• 1:28:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: solo gig and I ran it through my task force commander and then he cc's me and this is on the high side and he cc's me to McCraven and the time McCraven was Jay sock and you know waited a couple of days and I was like oh my god there's no fucking way they're gonna let me do this no way you know and then you know 48 hours goes by and this email comes back to it from
• 1:29:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good luck, Frogman, and I was just like, no fucking way, you know what I guess going on?
• 1:29:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me do this, and that was on the J-Wex, which is a T.S.
• 1:29:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: top secret side, and I was like, I got a fucking print this email, somehow, somewhere, frame it, you know, because that's,
• 1:29:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: that that's the fucking difference right there you know and your leaders will let you go do and they trust you they trust that you know what you're talking about they trust that you know what you're doing and then they're going yeah good luck for augment fucking that's that's it right there yeah and I agree with you some of this stuff is it sounds crazy but um for that particular gig it wasn't even my idea my the senior and listed advisor
• 1:30:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was in country at the time and he was like, yeah, do something fuck down If you need to comedy or something, go comedy or something.
• 1:30:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh, like we'll fucking I think you know, let's let's fucking like take this to the next level.
• 1:30:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay Yeah, do whatever the fuck you tell me But what percentage of people is that like what percentage gets to do the cool guy shit that you're talking about?
• 1:30:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's gotta be unbelievably small.
• 1:30:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine
• 1:30:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh, during that time frame, it was me and uh, guy named Jeff.
• 1:30:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: We were the two guys doing this shit.
• 1:30:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, and we had a good rhythm going and he would go wrecky, I would go action and uh, and then we would alternate depending on the targets, you know.
• 1:30:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that was,
• 1:30:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're a very small two-man shop, but we went around to all the other CMOE groups, whether CIA, FBI, the two-two, SRR, we looked at all the shops around the world and then like all right, you know, it's only two of us.
• 1:31:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think we had like 10 million bucks a year for the two of us.
• 1:31:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to burn for 10 million, 10 million a year as a two-man shop, but we dumped it into technology.
• 1:31:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: We created a lot of cool shit in that short period of time.
• 1:31:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you're let it talk about it, isn't it?
• 1:31:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, doing stuff like with that van was very rare.
• 1:31:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a lot of times you just get in and get out.
• 1:31:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: What I would say, a more...
• 1:31:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: a more traditional way, right?
• 1:31:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, if it's a vehicle that I've tagged, you know, once it's sitting by itself on a dark street on a dark night and you just basically get under it, get it done and get the fuck out, you know, to me, and that's a majority of it.
• 1:32:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: The same with vessels, you know, like getting onto a boat.
• 1:32:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, you get in and get out.
• 1:32:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: If it's a deep install where you're having to do parasitic power, which means I'm going to have an affine 12 vault somewhere, whether it's in the vehicle or on the vessel, then that's a totally different night, you know, because you need time on target to find 12 vaults wider in and then in a lot of times, you know, you got to be really creative
• 1:32:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this is a question I always ask after Henry's crazy ass stories for you guys is how do you go from there to coming back to McDonald's and somebody's late making it you know a number seven a 10 piece nugget Large fry maybe a large diet coke and you don't want to kill them after five minutes when they say hey
• 1:32:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can you pull over to Elaine too and we'll come out and bring it to your car like I've never been able to understand that whatsoever because you're like Fucked you not know like that I just saved the world or saved this thing or killed this fucking awesome person and now you want me to wait for my fucking 10 piece nuggets, dude No, like I just don't know how you can flip the switch and get back to reality
• 1:33:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, well, unlike a lot of your second deck guys, which is, you know, a term for the assaulters at damn that or, you know, the command, um, for my stuff, you or patients is the game, you know, so, but the transition, I get the point you're making the transition is, uh,
• 1:33:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Initially, I thought was easy.
• 1:33:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had so much shit going on as I retired out of the Navy that it almost suppressed a lot of things.
• 1:33:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then once things slowed down, and I mean, talk about some are between the six and eight year mark.
• 1:33:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, that's probably when I start to actually feel the career, you know, um, I used to tell people all the time like when you're going, you know, 120 miles an hour, you know, in that world.
• 1:34:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you get out as like hitting the brakes.
• 1:34:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, all that baggage is going to fucking hit you in the back of the head at some point.
• 1:34:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was just able to delay it, probably.
• 1:34:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, you know, six to eight years, I can't remember, but I'm, it's slowly crept in and then one day you're just like, what the fuck am I doing and then you start having, you know, a lot of the, uh, probably just negative thinking and, you know, um, all the issues start to come, but never had to drive through moments, but I've definitely had moments with people, uh,
• 1:34:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, really immature reactions and stuff, you know, even out on public, you know, if I had to put myself in check several times.
• 1:34:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's, to a certain degree, let's say you were wearing long sleeve shirts.
• 1:35:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You'd be totally unassuming and you just think, well, that's a middle-aged man, fuck him.
• 1:35:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was out with Rob O'Neill and it happened to us at a concert.
• 1:35:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And somebody pushed him and they were like, yeah, fuck you.
• 1:35:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I remember looking at this guy, I'm like, I know you guys are buddies, obviously.
• 1:35:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember looking at this guy, I was like, oh my god, dude, he could kill you in like two seconds.
• 1:35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Rob just laughed it off and walked away.
• 1:35:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: But man, I just, I don't know that I would have that in me, not to just, you know, be like, holy shit, I could put a mask on in five seconds and rape you.
• 1:35:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, as a dude, to another dude.
• 1:35:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: and that there's nothing you could do about it.
• 1:35:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So shut the fuck up, like that's what's wild to me.
• 1:35:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there is a, there are burning moments in your chest where you wanna just let the 800 pound grill out, but it's happened once or twice since I've been out, not been out what 10 years now.
• 1:36:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Once as I did the whole like pulled over and the fucking emergency lane kind of thing, I thought the fuck of my doing.
• 1:36:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, another time was in my neighborhood, my old neighborhood, you know, where a guy was just, you know, I felt like it basically was about to run me over.
• 1:36:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and I just reacted, but, um,
• 1:36:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there are moments where you want to flip the switch.
• 1:36:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I learned a long time ago, Seals don't win a court.
• 1:36:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've watched a lot of buddies, they leverage the uniform, your words, and your career against you really well, even if you're just in what you do and what you say.
• 1:36:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, and I even when we're on active duty and you pull, you know, my first to deployments around an arc, you know, an amphibious readiness group or you're a bunch of special guys amongst a bunch of Marines and you pull into port and Marines want to get shit faced and kick a seals ass.
• 1:36:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's like the first thing they want to check off their list.
• 1:36:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, they're listed.
• 1:37:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: In those days, I wore one of those little eagle creak fanny packs, you know, and have cash, ID, you know, the credit card, all your basic urban E&E shit, you know, if you're going out for the night, you better be able to run fast, you know, and make sure you have a means of, you know, getting back to the hotel or the ship.
• 1:37:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, um,
• 1:37:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I learned in the first deployment, you know, these Marines, they just want to get froggy and fight, which is fine, you know.
• 1:37:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then so the second go around, I love boxing and been boxing off and on my whole life.
• 1:37:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I pulled my mouth piece out and stuck it in my family packs.
• 1:37:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And now, you know, we're at an outdoor bar in Bali to call the Sari Club.
• 1:37:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It actually got blown up two weeks after we left and killed like 120 Aussies.
• 1:37:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this marine, you know, starts blowing up, you shit faced.
• 1:37:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I opened up, I slowly opened up my little fanny pack and pull out my mouthpiece and put it in my mouth and said, okay, now let's go.
• 1:38:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, it basically sound like, oh, let's go now, let's do this.
• 1:38:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he just kind of looked at me with his drunk dumb look and just like, fuck that, like this guy carries a mouthpiece.
• 1:38:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not the only thing to do with it.
• 1:38:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that serve as a great deterrent and every now and then I still carry a damn mouthpiece on me as part of my everyday carry depends on where I'm going and what I'm doing.
• 1:38:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's a great, it's a great idea.
• 1:38:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've never even thought of that.
• 1:38:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you put in a mouthpiece when you're out and somebody's talking shit and you're just like,
• 1:38:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, man, and then slide in the mouthpiece.
• 1:38:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would be like, yo, how many fights is this fucking guy been in?
• 1:38:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, it was a bouncer all through college and like, no one, no one ever pulled out of mouthpiece.
• 1:38:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if they did, I would be like, what, no, I'm going.
• 1:38:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting the fuck away from this.
• 1:38:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, when the last question is, my current mouthpiece, or that mouthpiece time was the Texas flag, you know, so you know, you smile and it's the, you know, same as the flag behind you.
• 1:39:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like that a lot, dude.
• 1:39:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: One last question for you here.
• 1:39:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know you're busy and all that stuff.
• 1:39:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about to Alawaki earlier.
• 1:39:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And more, your buddy, your beef right there.
• 1:39:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do you, what I've never been able to figure out is how this guy was able to radicalize people in the United States and everywhere else?
• 1:39:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it through like Zoom or conversations over and over again?
• 1:39:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then how do they choose the people they choose?
• 1:39:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was preaching, he was preaching like any other preacher on YouTube and his following on YouTube, I remember what it got to.
• 1:39:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he was pretty substantial back then and nobody was censoring him and actually nobody really connected the dots that
• 1:39:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: you could get on YouTube and preach this very radicalized version of Islam, and then it would actually change people, and then he would coach them, you know, like, all right, now you need to start removing yourself from family and friends, you need to shut down social, you need to start creating pseudonyms, and he was teaching all this in the open.
• 1:40:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and this was long before, whether it was the agency or FBI or any of the international intelligence organizations knew to start paying attention and maybe hey, you know, all of your direct messaging world on all social platforms back then, you know, nobody who would have thought right that American in the United States could watch this guy and get converted
• 1:40:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: through words and then go kill people.
• 1:40:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was just one of those, like, I remember, you know, I don't know if you're all part of it, right?
• 1:40:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're here yet.
• 1:40:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it just, now you go, oh, okay.
• 1:41:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:41:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of normal.
• 1:41:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it sounds normal now.
• 1:41:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then it was like, what the fuck?
• 1:41:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, how are Americans being radicalized?
• 1:41:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:41:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was of their religion.
• 1:41:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're living in the land of free.
• 1:41:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, why would you want to go backwards in time with what they're preaching?
• 1:41:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it was a that's what I've never understood how many followers did he have blue.
• 1:41:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Does it say there that it's what I'm trying to figure out He all of his videos got scrubbed off of a YouTube obviously obviously so I'm sure YouTube is embarrassed because they create there they let this movement happen
• 1:41:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they don't know like hands off at the beginning.
• 1:41:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't have to remember.
• 1:41:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: They would like to eat them, and people were asking them, hey, take the ship off, and it took like, you know, feather and swords.
• 1:41:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 1:41:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: years.
• 1:41:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a video that I did that's, you know, somebody had emailed me and whatever and said, take it down and I was like, go through YouTube.
• 1:41:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were like, that's not how this works.
• 1:42:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, I'm going to leave it up for years later, though, four years.
• 1:42:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was Sony.
• 1:42:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like a music song.
• 1:42:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sony ended up.
• 1:42:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, pulling the copyright thing and taking it down and all that other shit, that was a long time.
• 1:42:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: This last internet had, I want to say a million views, which, you know, in 2006 was a lot, because they did pretty much just gotten created a few weeks earlier here.
• 1:42:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'd never liked and subscribed to any of his videos, so I don't know.
• 1:42:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do followers you had?
• 1:42:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it was all of YouTube, huh?
• 1:42:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was 100% radical it, and then the rest of the, whether it was radicalization to actually serve as terrorist inside the United States, but it was also recruiting to get young men over to either Afghanistan or wherever those terrorist train cramps were.
• 1:43:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: They would switch from, once you attract it as certain kind of person, then they would switch over to more discrete communication with these people, but YouTube served as their marketing platform to then create, you know, what al-Qaeda became, you know, they became all the numbers.
• 1:43:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: pretty much the recruitment was from videos on YouTube.
• 1:43:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
• 1:43:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised the government and step in is shut it down.
• 1:43:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so in November 2017, he didn't have one YouTube channel.
• 1:43:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like it has, he had a bunch of people uploading a bunch of videos to a bunch of YouTube channels.
• 1:43:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in November 2017, YouTube removed nearly 50,000 videos associated with him.
• 1:43:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: using human review and digital hasn't hashing technology, dropping the number of social clips down to under 20,000 largely like restricted to news reports, documentaries, and academic discussions.
• 1:44:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's wild.
• 1:44:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a lot of concern.
• 1:44:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and like you hear these stories and you're like, is it real, is it bullshit, is it not, and then it turns out to be true?
• 1:44:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: What was it that the other word was started because of that cartoon?
• 1:44:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: You remember that one?
• 1:44:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a cartoon on YouTube that's people were allegedly pissed off.
• 1:44:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a French newspaper where they drew Muhammad half.
• 1:44:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: basically drew all of our Muhammad, half human, or half god, half dog.
• 1:44:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a Danish illustrator, and that's what that along with a couple other things happened all at the same time and kicked off the Arab Spring.
• 1:44:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I remember that, right?
• 1:44:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there was a point when I was overseas,
• 1:44:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was in Somalia when that came out and basically had to do almost like a hot extract because of the whole era of world went on fire and so they were like, get the fuck out of there.
• 1:45:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it was crazy times.
• 1:45:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's wild, man.
• 1:45:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But how about now?
• 1:45:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You married kids?
• 1:45:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you got now?
• 1:45:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: No?
• 1:45:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I've got a 22 year old daughter that is just crushing it and super proud of her and for a lot of time effort there has been a good father and you know I've got I just did my what I call like a 10 year chapter of my life with books and you know the more public side and then now I'm transitioning over to being sort of a fixer for one of the largest uh
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  [SPEAKER_00]: corporations on the planet and so that'll be the next chapter and it's all in the kind of the security world, but Which keeps amplifying as as the days go by I feel like I mean we're talking about that car at the top of the show And I was just like She's the smith the things that you guys must deal with now if that's if that exists and there's somebody out there making that God knows what they're doing on the warfare side, you know, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's uh
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, one can keep up with the technology, offense, the defense, something, everyone's going light speed, and that's what, that's pretty crazy, and then it's all powered by AI, which makes it even a sky net, you know, I'm just waiting.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm waiting for the terminators, man, let's do this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're getting close, but at least you'll never be out of work, because that's a never-ending thing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, 100 deadly skills was one of my favorites there, and I know you've sold millions
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, my favorite to go around the country and do the research was combat addition.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: 100 daily skills combat addition because I went to experts in their combatives vertical, right?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I've got, hey,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hell's Angel, how do you, what are your, you know, your top five to 10 skills, right?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would go to, you know, a bill rapier who was a true chief at, you know, at Seal Team 6 and go, hey, you know, top, teach me about, you know, your top five or 10s, you know, tricks of the trade as it relates to shooting.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Stephen K. Hayes, who is the first American ninja.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, hey, you know, teach me how to actually throw a throwing star correctly, you know.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I went around the country and it was during it once again, this is another book during the pandemic.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It tells you how long the pandemic went on.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was able to go do two different books.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I had the highways of the entire country to myself.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was fucking amazing.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And now, no one's on the roads.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Every hotel was closed except for motel sixes.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They were a client at the time.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I stayed for free at motel sixes.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, I did 13,000 miles and 30 days.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: and interviewed and found and put that book with 16 different dudes and there are bad asses at what they do.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That one I've got to read.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I read the original.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've got to read this one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That fucking rock stills.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look, I can talk to you for hours.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Danny, my co-hosts, he is a newborn.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I had to dip the whole him and his whole family are sick.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I go, welcome, friend.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've had three kids for a long time.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I go, welcome.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking newborn.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm newborn, like two months.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I go, oh, you're going to be sick for the next five years, bro.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, that's it.
• 1:48:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's just how you can do these kids pick up everything and then they give it to the rest of the family.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, hey, you're fucked, bro, you're fucked.
• 1:48:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, now it's going to show we get to the drinking bro the week, which is someone who has inspired you or helps you become the person you are today.
• 1:49:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who'd you like to give the drinking bro the week, too?
• 1:49:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Man, I'd have to give it to my dad.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He's long gone, but he was a step in, you know, like, who takes a rare kind of man to take on a mom and her child.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was probably three years old when he stepped in.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe a little older, and he was a full-time employee.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He was a full-time student working on his master's, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if it wasn't for that guy, I definitely wouldn't have been exposed to his handy man capability.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He was an engineer, so he could pull a motor apart and put it back together without, you know, using a manual.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He was one of these smartest, those days still the smartest man I've ever known.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, yeah, I got to give it to him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of people
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you're lucky enough to have a great dad.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You want to give it to you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I always say that as well Even after you know 2,500 episodes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like great.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's awesome to know that everybody's still Most people love their dad.
• 1:50:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's that's right.
• 1:50:13
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• 1:50:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's 94% of sales for Christ's sex and You're just an all around rad dude
• 1:50:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for being here, Clint Emerson, appreciate it, buddy.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, thanks for having me, it's been great hanging out with you guys.
• 1:50:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love all the work you do, so keep it up to care out there.
• 1:50:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
• 1:50:37
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