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Spoiled Saturdays: K-Pop Demon Hunter · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
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Speaker 2: I never told you proflection, have I heard you?
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Speaker 1: And we decided as this month has become kind of
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Speaker 1: crunch time in our years, there's so many things extra happening,
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Speaker 1: including Stewary Duty. Yeah that's the curse and I got it,
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Speaker 1: and I got it. It got me. But with that
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Speaker 1: also Dragon Con coming up, so we got so many things.
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Speaker 1: We've got so many things happening, we decided we would
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Speaker 1: add a spoiled Saturday episode. But it fits pretty perfectly
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Speaker 1: with our childhood memories theme that we've been doing this month.
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Speaker 1: So for today's episode, we are featuring K Pop Demon Hunter,
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Speaker 1: which is on Netflix, not a sponsor. Uh, if you
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Speaker 1: want to take a moment and go watch it, you
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Speaker 1: should before we talk about it. If you don't and
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Speaker 1: you just won't hear what it's about, that's fine. I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't need that as well. But obviously, since it was
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Speaker 1: just released, spoilers, spoilers all around, So if you don't
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Speaker 1: want to, yes, if you don't want to be spoiled,
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Speaker 1: I would not listen to this all right, So some
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Speaker 1: background why this has made its mark in entertainment thus far.
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Speaker 1: It is a Sony production, so the same people as
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Speaker 1: Spider Verse that and absolutely loves This is the first
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Speaker 1: movie written and directed by Korean Canadian Maggie Kung with
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Speaker 1: Chris Applehans, so they co directed it. But this is
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Speaker 1: a story that Maggie has been working on for quite
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Speaker 1: some time, so she wanted to combine her heritage with
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Speaker 1: the legends and history of South Korea. She is a
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Speaker 1: seasoned storyteller, working previously with DreamWorks on animations like Kung Fu, Panda, Shrek,
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Speaker 1: and Minnie Minnie Moore. She told geek Out that this
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Speaker 1: about k pop Demon Hunter. I've always wanted to see
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Speaker 1: an animated film set in Korean culture as a Korean
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Speaker 1: person who is born in Korea but grew up in
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Speaker 1: North America. It's been surreal but also incredible to see
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Speaker 1: our culture just become so cool. It's cheesy, but I
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Speaker 1: think it's true. Growing up, everyone new Chinese and Japanese
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Speaker 1: culture well, but Koreans were not even on the map.
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Speaker 1: Now that we are, I feel so much pride, and
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to express this pride through a film
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Speaker 1: that celebrated our culture, all aspects of it. So my
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Speaker 1: biggest inspiration for this film is my culture, so gotta
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Speaker 1: love that. And yes, this animation has made Netflix history,
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Speaker 1: or so they say. This is what they wrote on Twitter.
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Speaker 1: It is the first Netflix film ever to reach a
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Speaker 1: new viewing peak in its fifth week of release. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and this isn't the only record so on Netflix in itself.
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Speaker 1: They were talking about how they have hit the number
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Speaker 1: one spot later, so it kind of grew into hype
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Speaker 1: and it got bigger and bigger and bigger as more
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Speaker 1: and more people watched it. Again, it isn't the only
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Speaker 1: record they broke. In fact, this is this fake group Hunterricks,
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Speaker 1: which is centered around has actually become the highest charting
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Speaker 1: K pop girl group in the US Spotify list charts,
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Speaker 1: beating the likes of Black Pink and others along with
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Speaker 1: the Sajo Boys. Again, a fake group who became the
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Speaker 1: highest charting K pop boy band in US Spotify history,
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Speaker 1: beating even BTS. So apparently BT has only hit number
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Speaker 1: three or I think three with Dynamite a few years ago.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, they it has outstripped that. Once again, a
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Speaker 1: fake K pop group has made that kind of history.
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Speaker 1: They've been charting on things like the Billboard charts and
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Speaker 1: so much more so they're doing a thing. They're doing
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Speaker 1: a thing. The significance of this movie has reignited the
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Speaker 1: love and popularity of K pop as it is slowly.
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Speaker 1: It's still pretty popular, but it's slowly been waning as
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Speaker 1: of late. I see, I think, and yes, the cosplay.
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Speaker 1: The cosplay is made amazing, and my my FYP for
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Speaker 1: TikTok has been flooding of people doing the cosplay and
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Speaker 1: I love every bit of it. That looks so good.
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Speaker 1: There is a scene Annie, I know, you know, in
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Speaker 1: which they have one of the members of Huntreks dressing
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Speaker 1: up as a sleeping in the sleeping bag for the
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Speaker 1: met gala, and people are like, oh, yeah, I finally
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Speaker 1: found the perfect costume.
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Speaker 2: You gotta get that comfortable one.
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Speaker 1: I love it so much so, but again it also
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Speaker 1: has We also get a glimpse of some Korean lore
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Speaker 1: and history, including the costuming, the legends of the Saja,
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Speaker 1: which means lion. Also, uh, there's Saja is kind of
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Speaker 1: like a grim reaper, which I'm going to get into
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Speaker 1: a little bit more. Women who are shamans and moudane
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Speaker 1: who protect and heal the lands. Even the weapons that
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Speaker 1: we see the Hundricks use are historic Korean warrior weapons,
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Speaker 1: including the four tiger sword or the sign coom used
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Speaker 1: by Rumi, the car curved sword or the Koktou used
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Speaker 1: by Mirah, and the spirit knife the Shinkar, which also
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Speaker 1: carries the Nori gay, which is connected to feminine spiritual
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Speaker 1: power and traditions. They are the nodded with like strings
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Speaker 1: and gems that you will often see on hymn books.
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Speaker 1: I actually have one about one, but they are very
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Speaker 1: gorgeous and it's kind a representation of the spiritual and
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Speaker 1: femininity of it all, so it has a lot. They
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Speaker 1: incorporate quite a bit of the lore. So let's get
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Speaker 1: into the plot. The world is in need of protection
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Speaker 1: and has been for all of eternity, and those who
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Speaker 1: have been called are the Hunters, typically a group of
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Speaker 1: three women with beautiful voices that can call on the
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Speaker 1: hon Moon, which is not an actual historical lore. They
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Speaker 1: made this up for specifically the movie, just so you know,
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Speaker 1: and as a writer from the kidnim draws dot Com explains,
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Speaker 1: it makes up of two words, they think, which is Johan,
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Speaker 1: which is the word for soul and spirit, and moon,
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Speaker 1: which is commonly the word for door. I think maybe
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Speaker 1: it can also be used for git So spirits door.
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Speaker 1: This is a shield that covers and protects the earth
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Speaker 1: from the entrances of demon who come to feed on
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Speaker 1: the soul of humans. The leader of the world and
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Speaker 1: the demons is the great and evil Guimma, and throughout
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Speaker 1: the lifetime, different women have been called to protect and
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Speaker 1: become Hunters of the world. For this timeline specifically, we
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Speaker 1: have Hunters made up of three women. Rumi, a nebo baby.
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Speaker 1: She's a baby, but she is a part of the lineage,
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Speaker 1: the daughter of a previous Hunter and leader of the group,
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Speaker 1: and she is the leader of Huntres. Then we have Mira,
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Speaker 1: an outcast and the lead dancer. She's kind of like
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Speaker 1: dark and you know emo ish got the attitude. And
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Speaker 1: then we have Zoe, who is the adorable writer and
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Speaker 1: rapper from Bourbank, California who's representing with them. They have
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Speaker 1: been trained and led by previous Hunter Seline, who was
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Speaker 1: in the girl group with Rumy's mother, who has this motto,
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Speaker 1: we are Hunters, voices strong, your false and fears must
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Speaker 1: never be seen, and they carry that to the core
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Speaker 1: to their detriment. Hint Hint. Hunters has become a huge
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Speaker 1: popsist star success. They been using their music to chill
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Speaker 1: the world and they're really good at it. However, we
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Speaker 1: soon find out that Rumy has a secret. Her father
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Speaker 1: was a demon, making her part demon with the patterns
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Speaker 1: that play the demons, so we will see that they
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Speaker 1: all have little patterns that mark them as demons. Selene
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Speaker 1: teaching Rumy that she must hide the patterns from the
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Speaker 1: group and others, and that the only solution is to
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Speaker 1: be rid of those patterns, which can only be done
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Speaker 1: once the demons are vanquished by the Golden han Moon,
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Speaker 1: which is very hard to bring about. Obviously, with the
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Speaker 1: release of their newest song, a Golden the hon Moon
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Speaker 1: seems to actually start turning gold, which is great, and
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Speaker 1: they push the hype of the song in time for
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Speaker 1: their upcoming award show IDOL Awards, which is one of
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Speaker 1: the best times to strengthen the han Moon. However, the
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Speaker 1: demon in the demon world we seek weema working to
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Speaker 1: try to destroy the hunters as well as get all
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Speaker 1: those souls, and here we're introduced to Ginu, who comes
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Speaker 1: up with a brilliant plan a demon boy band, the
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Speaker 1: Saja Boys, and with their introduction, they are a hit
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Speaker 1: and The timing couldn't be worse, as Rumy's voice is
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Speaker 1: only getting worse as she tries to hide her secret.
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Speaker 1: Soon as the battles continue and the Saja Boys are
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Speaker 1: gaining popularity, we see the enemy to Lover's trope between
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Speaker 1: Rumy and Genu, also the deepening mistrust between the girls,
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Speaker 1: and an awesome disc track. I'm kidding, it's not awesome,
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Speaker 1: but it's fun. It's a banger. During the award show,
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Speaker 1: Roomy's secret is a revealed, the hon Moon seems to
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Speaker 1: have been destroyed, and the Saja Boys open up the
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Speaker 1: hell gates, but we have a heartwarming, vulnerable moment with
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Speaker 1: Roomy and the girls which go into an epic battle
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Speaker 1: and a new song where Ginu sacrifices himself realizing that
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Speaker 1: he needs his soul back and wants to fix things,
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Speaker 1: and the hon Moon turns golden and the demons are
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Speaker 1: driven out as well as Guima Tada. So that is
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Speaker 1: essentially the plot for this movie. So there are obviously
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Speaker 1: themes you ready. First, before we get into that, Annie,
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Speaker 1: what did you think about this movie?
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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. I thought it was beautifully animated,
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Speaker 3: which is funny to be because I always know you
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Speaker 3: don't like animation. I know that was one of the
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Speaker 3: things that he took out to me, that it was
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Speaker 3: beautifully animated, really interesting in the animation choices, and of
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Speaker 3: course a nice good friendship story.
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Speaker 1: You love love a good friendship store is so good
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Speaker 1: sod all right. So one of the biggest themes, obviously
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Speaker 1: is the good versus evil trope. We have the Saja
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Speaker 1: or also known against as a Chosun Saja, which is
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Speaker 1: a grim reaper, So there's a playoff words ha ha ha,
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Speaker 1: who are entering here because they realized if song can
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Speaker 1: build a shield, what if a song can also break
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Speaker 1: the shield? And if you go in and listen to
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Speaker 1: their last song, be your idol. Yeah. People have had
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Speaker 1: mixed reactions and that I think if I had tried
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Speaker 1: to watch this as a kid, if my parents understood
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Speaker 1: what this was, they wouldn't let me watch it because
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Speaker 1: of the demon factor because they're like singing Latin. They're
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Speaker 1: singing some chance and it's pretty much a curse over
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Speaker 1: the people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 3: And and Guma is like a big devil mouth looking thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 3: But I do think that's interesting because we've seen that
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Speaker 3: before and a lot of you know, using the song
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Speaker 3: to ask the spell. And I know we've been talking
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Speaker 3: about fandom and K pop recently, but I thought that
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Speaker 3: sort of like switch from we love huntericks too, we
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Speaker 3: love the sat like people are literally like tearing off
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Speaker 3: their shirts. Now I'm their fan now. I thought that
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Speaker 3: was a very I liked that take on like the
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Speaker 3: fandom and also just intertwining that with lore of Korean history.
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Speaker 2: Also this idea of like casting that spell.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and the fact that that they earned the trust
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Speaker 1: so easily by being good looking in boy band yeah right,
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Speaker 1: And then also if you notice, I liked how like
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Speaker 1: at the beginning the Saja boys were really perky, happy,
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Speaker 1: respectful in pink like they were definitely playing and to
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Speaker 1: like see, we're good people, which is kind of how
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Speaker 1: you have to build up a lot of K pop
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Speaker 1: bands or groups is to be like almost innocent and
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Speaker 1: fantalizing to this point in order for that success. Like
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Speaker 1: they literally have a character called Baby Saja who throughout
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Speaker 1: the times is just sucking on a bottle. You're like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's a little much, and it was a little much,
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Speaker 1: but there you go. Yeah, it definitely works. But we
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Speaker 1: do have that level of like who's good who's bad,
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Speaker 1: and the blurring of those lines. What is evil? Is
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Speaker 1: everyone just inherently evil? Obviously demons would you would assume
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Speaker 1: or be would be the evil one. But here we
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Speaker 1: have Ginu who gives a backstory about the fact that
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Speaker 1: they'd all be punished because of whatever days that were.
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Speaker 1: I was a little confused because some of these demons,
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Speaker 1: I don't think were they all humans at once upon
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Speaker 1: a time that get taken by demons or they just
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Speaker 1: marked and born that way because we see like Roomy
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Speaker 1: her father, So what what is the chicken or the
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Speaker 1: egg situation here? But it does bring to the point
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Speaker 1: of like canned demons change or inherently evil, and so
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Speaker 1: we should want them to die. But it's not so
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Speaker 1: black and white.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 3: I try not to do this all the time, and
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Speaker 3: it reminds me of Star Wars. Oh okay, well, just
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Speaker 3: the idea of like there's a difference between from Star
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Speaker 3: Wars people out there. There's a difference between a sith
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Speaker 3: who enjoyed, who chose that, and then someone who does
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Speaker 3: evil because they were tortured and created to do that.
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Speaker 3: So I think that's like I felt that they were
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Speaker 3: similar shades. I would imagine their similar shades of people
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Speaker 3: who kind of chose this thing, people who through various
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Speaker 3: reasons maybe fell into it or chose it now regret
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Speaker 3: it and want to change, and then people who were
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Speaker 3: born with it but are fighting against it.
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Speaker 2: Like there is the shades, they're gradations.
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Speaker 1: Gradations, yes, yes, which also brings me to the story,
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Speaker 1: like what is the backstory of Rumy's parents? I feel
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Speaker 1: like this might be saved for later. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I will say like megge Kong no longer is with Sony,
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Speaker 1: and some of that had to deal with the issues
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Speaker 1: of Sony, So we don't know, but we also know
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Speaker 1: that corporations are greedy, and we'll be like, ah, we
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Speaker 1: can do it without you. Look at Crazy Rich Asian,
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Speaker 1: in which they took a very Asian story written by
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Speaker 1: an Asian person and booted out the Asian screenwriter because
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Speaker 1: they didn't want to pay enough, but paid a lot
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Speaker 1: of money for the white dude. Yeah anyway, but sorry
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Speaker 1: not to bring in too many downers. I don't have
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Speaker 1: a lot of downers. But all that to say, you know,
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Speaker 1: what is the story? Well, how did a demon and
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Speaker 1: a demon hunter get together in the first place to
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Speaker 1: create this demon hunter mix Roumy who has a lot
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Speaker 1: of feels and a lot of talent but can't hear
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Speaker 1: the voices.
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I am so proud of you use
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Speaker 3: the enemy's slover tag so easily. I feel like it
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Speaker 3: would be something like that. I feel like it to
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Speaker 3: be a similar.
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Speaker 1: To be fair. That is a k drama tag as well.
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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure. Oh, it's been around forever.
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Speaker 1: It's general, yeah, yeah, yeah, general. So, and then we
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Speaker 1: have the kind of the shaman's historically being women or
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Speaker 1: mudang who are being historically all mostly women, not all women,
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Speaker 1: mostly women are They're very feminine in a lot of
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Speaker 1: the representations, but also in Korean culture, you also know
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Speaker 1: they're also good and bad shamans as well. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of depth to that. So who is what?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Am I right? Also wanted to point out the dirty
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Speaker 1: tiger and the which have deep cultural ties, especially in
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Speaker 1: Asian culture in itself. We know that the tiger in
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Speaker 1: itself has a huge connotation, but in this narrative, the
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Speaker 1: tiger representation is kind of that idea about corrupt authority figures,
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Speaker 1: and well, that's why they're dirty and just like in
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Speaker 1: it for one thing, and very focused or really dirty
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Speaker 1: looking and knocking over pots constantly and having a battle
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Speaker 1: with bins apparently containers. And the magpie is the distinguished
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Speaker 1: upright commoners. They're the common people who coming in making
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Speaker 1: the city. They're the ones that know the right and
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Speaker 1: wrong type of conversation. This is a part of a
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Speaker 1: lot of the Korean folk paintings that we'll see, and
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Speaker 1: they brought that in and they did it to that level,
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Speaker 1: like they made sure to make them distinct. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: just an animated as you said the word disneyfied in
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Speaker 1: our feminist movie Around the World type of look. It
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Speaker 1: was specific to keep in tradition with Korean folklore and
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Speaker 1: Asian folklore. And I really appreciated that some people love
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Speaker 1: love those two things. They love the tiger more than
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Speaker 1: the bagpie. And I'm like, why do you keep leaving
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Speaker 1: out the magpie? That's important.
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Speaker 2: I'm more for the magpie.
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Speaker 1: I might I mean, as you should be, yes, you should.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't have too many eyes. Maybe it's all seeing anyway.
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Speaker 1: Of course, another part of the themes is friendship. You
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Speaker 1: absolutely see the beauty among the three girls who came
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Speaker 1: in and was formed together, but really protect and love
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Speaker 1: each other and are supposed to be understanding each other
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Speaker 1: like that is a part of the growth is knowing
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Speaker 1: that even as close as they were, they still have
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Speaker 1: all of their insecurities which eat away at them and
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Speaker 1: none of them want to admit it. And that was
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Speaker 1: part of because of the sline's bad take hide the
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Speaker 1: fears and faults. Yeah, Saline, no no, And they really
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Speaker 1: had to undo that to realize this wasn't as healthy
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Speaker 1: as they thought, and that meant that trusting each each
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Speaker 1: other was a big part of their friendship and they
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Speaker 1: had to really go through it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and having that this does kind of remind me, Wow,
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Speaker 3: so many of these things are connecting to many recent
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Speaker 3: episodes because in the recent book club we did, we
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Speaker 3: talked about that of having the moment where you realize
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Speaker 3: that there are secrets in the group, or you weren't
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Speaker 3: as close as you thought, or maybe what was this
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Speaker 3: what I even really what I thought it was and
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Speaker 3: having that moment and then coming back together stronger for
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Speaker 3: having that moment.
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Speaker 1: Right admitting like the song the final song, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about everything is broken, we liars, but that doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: we can't come back and build better as well as
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Speaker 1: like Mara's line, I really just like I don't deserve family.
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, you do haunt me. Let
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Speaker 1: me picture. Yeah. Then we have the the Genu Roomy.
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Speaker 1: They never really kissed, but they do have that Korean
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Speaker 1: drama touching of the hands. We kind of love, a
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Speaker 1: good drama moment. But they are slowly coming together and
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Speaker 1: she talks about having to wanting to save him as
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Speaker 1: to that, and he's like, you did. Will we see
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Speaker 1: him back? I don't know. Will there be another one?
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine Sony's gonna let this one ride as
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Speaker 1: successful or Netflix as successful as it was. So but
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Speaker 1: who knows? Who knows? Gin who does not have any
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Speaker 1: friends except for the Magpie and the Tiger, who also
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Speaker 1: becomes Roomy's friends.
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Speaker 3: That's a little rough, you know, that's hurtful. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you do want your friends to become friends. But there's
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Speaker 3: also a part of you that's like, you're my friend,
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Speaker 3: You're my only friend.
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Speaker 1: Don't be that way. Another part again, his family, and
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Speaker 1: we talk about the Chosen Family obviously just talking about it.
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Speaker 1: But then we have Selene who takes on the motherly
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Speaker 1: figure adopting roomy because of the death of the mother,
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Speaker 1: which we don't know how the childbirth, when she was born,
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Speaker 1: she died, So what happened here? Was it the the
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Speaker 1: the demon part that like, oh, we don't know, we
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Speaker 1: don't know that lawd yet. But Selene doing what she
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Speaker 1: thinks she's supposed to and protecting being really Korean in
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Speaker 1: trying to protect everybody's reputation and trying to society doing
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Speaker 1: her duty versus not being very maternal to uh rue me.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of questions about that. And then
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Speaker 1: also you have to ask because I've seen a few
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Speaker 1: articles pop up me and like, see, Selene was a
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Speaker 1: real villain a damn okay. We jumped there real quick, okay,
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Speaker 1: and then she knew his selfish decision to leave his
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Speaker 1: family behind so he didn't have to starve to death
19:43
Speaker 1: and die with them. It was rough.
19:46
Speaker 3: That was a that was a rough revelation you got
19:50
Speaker 3: later in the movie. And I was like, oh, okay, oh.
19:53
Speaker 1: And which when the women says, you've never done anything
19:57
Speaker 1: that wasn't for selfish reasons.
20:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because it's been presented earlier. It is like
20:04
Speaker 3: he was forcefully taken away. Yeah, and then you get
20:08
Speaker 3: the truth of it and it's like, oh, oh no, okay.
20:13
Speaker 1: He's like a bud No. It's pretty heartbreaking. Uh. And
20:18
Speaker 1: then we have in general k pop all throughout obviously
20:23
Speaker 1: celebrating that culture, celebrating the music. I think it's interesting
20:26
Speaker 1: in this portrayal because it really doesn't romanticize K pop.
20:29
Speaker 1: And if you've heard our episodes previously, you know this
20:31
Speaker 1: is not the case. You know, there's a lot of damage.
20:33
Speaker 1: We know there's a lot of death by suicide, eating disorders,
20:35
Speaker 1: psychological disorders, money paid backs, surgery, all these things. There's
20:40
Speaker 1: a lot of things that happen, a lot of discourse,
20:43
Speaker 1: a lot of canceling, not not canceling. However, in this industry,
20:50
Speaker 1: and it's pretty fast, like people go in and there's
20:53
Speaker 1: such an inundation of K pop groups that you don't
20:56
Speaker 1: see who is successful. Like people don't succeed when they
20:59
Speaker 1: think you should succeed. There are so many levels to that.
21:02
Speaker 1: A lot of them are put together. They are constructed
21:07
Speaker 1: and not organically brought together as in like they meet
21:10
Speaker 1: together and form a group. I mean they do say
21:12
Speaker 1: that in the beginning of the movie that they came
21:14
Speaker 1: they were put together for root me Like, they're like,
21:17
Speaker 1: you know, like this, but they just meshed well, which
21:20
Speaker 1: isn't always what happens. There's a conversation about what's happening
21:23
Speaker 1: in the Black Pink like they say that none of
21:26
Speaker 1: them are getting along. Of them want to be a
21:28
Speaker 1: part of this K pop industry anymore, but they're obligated
21:31
Speaker 1: to do so because they've been as successful as they are.
21:34
Speaker 1: They have their own individual careers and are seemingly more
21:38
Speaker 1: invested in that. So there's a lot in that that
21:40
Speaker 1: you see that you're like, like the whole mcbong at
21:45
Speaker 1: the beginning where they're all carbo loading, I'm like, it's
21:47
Speaker 1: not typical to the point that you hear stories about
21:49
Speaker 1: other people feeding them rice, like sneaking in rice because
21:53
Speaker 1: they hadn't eaten that day. I will say though, and
21:56
Speaker 1: I've mentioned Mama and Move before. My partner has worked
21:58
Speaker 1: at production for show in Atlanta. They came through. He
22:02
Speaker 1: worked the show and there was a large request for
22:06
Speaker 1: Bull Duck Ramyan. Yeah, because they were like these Korean
22:10
Speaker 1: artists were like, no, that's what we need. So they
22:11
Speaker 1: had to make a special trip to h Mark to
22:13
Speaker 1: bring out all of these spicy Ramians. So not too
22:16
Speaker 1: far off then, I guess, because they are a girl
22:18
Speaker 1: group that's pretty big in South Carolina in here, not
22:22
Speaker 1: as big as some others, but like it was fascinating, Like, Okay,
22:25
Speaker 1: they really do ask for the Roman. I thought that
22:29
Speaker 1: was just a snack, poppy food that became culturally popular
22:33
Speaker 1: in the US more so than No No. They apparently
22:35
Speaker 1: was like no, I need it, I miss it. There's that.
22:39
Speaker 1: Uh again. I think I don't want to stray too
22:43
Speaker 1: far from the pot, but it is good to know
22:45
Speaker 1: that it does romanticize this industry a little, to the
22:49
Speaker 1: point that it's like, there are groups that do write
22:52
Speaker 1: their own songs, they create their own stuff, and they're amazing,
22:55
Speaker 1: and we want to give credit to that that there's
22:57
Speaker 1: some cool as hell, but a lot of them are
23:00
Speaker 1: and are manufactured, and a lot of them still a
23:04
Speaker 1: lot of music I think I've seen this specific movie
23:09
Speaker 1: has at least two of the bigger K pop songwriters
23:12
Speaker 1: that are Western, I want to say, from the US
23:16
Speaker 1: or Canada, and they've been based out of here for
23:18
Speaker 1: a long time and they don't get paid as much
23:22
Speaker 1: as YouTube. I would expect as big as some of
23:25
Speaker 1: these songs are. The person who sang for Roomy EJ,
23:30
Speaker 1: is a big K pop industry singer and producer and writer.
23:35
Speaker 1: From what I understand, she is not in any group,
23:38
Speaker 1: but she is a part of SM Entertainment, which is
23:40
Speaker 1: one of the top four that we've talked about previously.
23:44
Speaker 1: And the others that sing on these songs are also
23:48
Speaker 1: either trainees, had been trainees, or writers and producers. So
23:51
Speaker 1: it seems so it does an interesting mix. People are
23:55
Speaker 1: getting good and EJ can hit those notes down like
24:00
Speaker 1: chilling notes. Anyway, moving on, so obviously, another big part
24:04
Speaker 1: of this movie, as Kong has actually said herself, is
24:07
Speaker 1: the culture of South Korea and in the heritage. The
24:11
Speaker 1: mix between southern South Korean history that we were talking
24:14
Speaker 1: about with all the weapons, with all the costumes, with
24:17
Speaker 1: all of the locations even really mixes well with the
24:21
Speaker 1: modern day Hollywood in what we see in dancing and
24:24
Speaker 1: the wrapping some of the rahmin once again, which was
24:29
Speaker 1: really funny to me, the costuming, the lights, the shows.
24:34
Speaker 1: There are idol shows that they happen every week that
24:37
Speaker 1: whoever like tops the charts goes and performs and does
24:40
Speaker 1: it Weekly, which I'm like, huh, that used to be
24:43
Speaker 1: our MTV. Oh yeah, well you know they still do that.
24:51
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's really interesting, but that does exist.
24:55
Speaker 1: I've seen the countdowns and different things that they do.
24:57
Speaker 1: It's really interesting to see and how they've celebrated and
24:59
Speaker 1: who as what. And then of course this whole cultural
25:13
Speaker 1: thing with you and I talked about it. You had
25:16
Speaker 1: said that because I said that I think you're want
25:17
Speaker 1: to see a lot of these costumes at Dragon Con,
25:21
Speaker 1: which I'm very excited about and want to see. And
25:23
Speaker 1: you were talking about that. People have already talked about
25:25
Speaker 1: being respectful in the costumes. What were you telling me exactly?
25:32
Speaker 3: So I'm going to clarify. I heard this through a
25:35
Speaker 3: friend who's much more online than I am. She told
25:38
Speaker 3: me that there had already been an online conversation about
25:44
Speaker 3: I think it was specifically the boy band and their
25:48
Speaker 3: costuming and being respectful about it and being aware of
25:52
Speaker 3: like the history behind it and just not being offensive.
25:56
Speaker 2: Right, That's what she said. I'm pretty sure.
25:58
Speaker 1: From what I can gather, like being like like no
26:01
Speaker 1: regae that is very specific culturally, but I don't like
26:07
Speaker 1: unless you take it and make it like a panties
26:10
Speaker 1: or like chastity bell some for so, you know, like
26:12
Speaker 1: something really obscure. I don't see it being super offensive,
26:18
Speaker 1: like even humbucks. Like I know a lot of the
26:21
Speaker 1: times when people go to South Korea, you can go
26:23
Speaker 1: to the stores and that's like period costumes like any
26:27
Speaker 1: of those, and visit the old historical places and all
26:30
Speaker 1: of these things, and it's actually encouraged. It is something
26:33
Speaker 1: that is beautiful and we love to see what we
26:35
Speaker 1: don't want to see, what any no one wants to
26:38
Speaker 1: see of any other culture. Is taking whatever it may
26:41
Speaker 1: be ceremonial or traditional, misconstruing it to be something you
26:45
Speaker 1: created with these ideals, and then renaming things that is
26:50
Speaker 1: like even to the point that we see i want
26:52
Speaker 1: to say Filipino level of ube, which has been huge
26:57
Speaker 1: and trending, and then people taking it being like we
26:59
Speaker 1: need a little bit like sugary. I'm a white person
27:01
Speaker 1: who's going to do it this way, and you're like,
27:03
Speaker 1: what is happening, or along the lines of like Macha,
27:07
Speaker 1: which is obviously very very big, and then white people
27:10
Speaker 1: taking in marketing and be like I went to Japan
27:12
Speaker 1: one time and I loved it so I'm creating my
27:15
Speaker 1: own and this is mine and I'm up charged. Like
27:17
Speaker 1: stuff like that is absolutely disrespectful loving a culture, especially
27:22
Speaker 1: when it's as seemingly ignored as South Korean culture and
27:27
Speaker 1: oftentimes the mean or sidelined for like China Chinese culture,
27:32
Speaker 1: which by the way, Chinese is a huge country, so
27:34
Speaker 1: having one ideal of even that culture is almost an
27:39
Speaker 1: offensive and ignorant in itself. So like so many things
27:42
Speaker 1: said that. But with Asacha Boys, I know they are
27:45
Speaker 1: grim Reapers. I don't know if it's ceremonial, don't know
27:53
Speaker 1: if it's a funeral where that that might be the problem.
27:56
Speaker 1: Of course, if you're wearing something that is supposed to
27:58
Speaker 1: be for funerals, is that you're are partying in it.
28:01
Speaker 1: That that's disrespectful because like death rituals and like ancestry
28:05
Speaker 1: risk rules very very sacred, very very much so, so
28:09
Speaker 1: stuff like that, Yes, I think you need to understand
28:12
Speaker 1: what these are. Again, the Saja Boys are a play
28:15
Speaker 1: on the grim Reapers, so look into that. Yeah, we
28:18
Speaker 1: would look into that. But I don't think in general,
28:20
Speaker 1: like hmbucks and the hats are in general are not
28:21
Speaker 1: necessary or the gut are not necessarily disrespectful if you're
28:25
Speaker 1: doing something, whether if you're painting, obs seeing things on it,
28:27
Speaker 1: Don't do that, don't do that, don't portuce. I would
28:29
Speaker 1: tell you not to pretend to be a shaman in
28:31
Speaker 1: any way. Koreans are real can be real superstitious on that,
28:36
Speaker 1: and I am too. Not why I'm little superstigious. I
28:39
Speaker 1: don't want to curse myself in general, I think things
28:42
Speaker 1: like that have to be looked at as well. Again, like,
28:45
Speaker 1: there's so much to this. And I say this as
28:47
Speaker 1: not an expert, as someone who has ignored this culture
28:49
Speaker 1: for so long, who's been afraid of this culture, who
28:51
Speaker 1: felt like if I even pretended I like or who
28:54
Speaker 1: we have even like interests, that I was pretending. There's
28:58
Speaker 1: so much to this, And I want to note like
29:02
Speaker 1: watching this movie, getting ready to talk about this, talking
29:05
Speaker 1: about why I love it as much as I do,
29:07
Speaker 1: because this has become something that I've grown to love.
29:10
Speaker 1: Like I've watched this too many times and I was
29:12
Speaker 1: really really hesitant in even starting to watch this because
29:15
Speaker 1: it felt kitchy. Also, there's still that childhood part of
29:19
Speaker 1: me that really wants to be white because I was
29:22
Speaker 1: brought into white culture. Was told white is the savior
29:26
Speaker 1: of all and the fixer and the best thing to
29:29
Speaker 1: be is white, and even Korean culture kind of holds
29:31
Speaker 1: to that standard as well, and so so part of
29:34
Speaker 1: me feeling like seeing this celebrating a culture seemed foreign
29:40
Speaker 1: and almost the anti of who I was growing up,
29:47
Speaker 1: I guess. And so to find something like this culturally impacting,
29:53
Speaker 1: celebrating loving, not any characaturish characters like it is but
29:58
Speaker 1: it is. It isn't making fun of a culture, or
30:00
Speaker 1: it isn't making fun of an accent, It isn't making
30:02
Speaker 1: fun of a saying, It isn't making fun of a food.
30:05
Speaker 1: It is like all these things which I see way
30:07
Speaker 1: too often, that happens way too often, that has to
30:11
Speaker 1: be addressed way too often, and being told that I'm
30:13
Speaker 1: being too sensitive, And then if I can't joke like that,
30:16
Speaker 1: then what am I doing with? Like why am I
30:17
Speaker 1: being so sensitive? Being constantly being misconstrued as Chinese? And
30:21
Speaker 1: now for the first time, everybody's saying, are you Korean,
30:24
Speaker 1: which is also a fear of mine that I'm like, no,
30:26
Speaker 1: But we don't want to make that a better thing
30:28
Speaker 1: either or the more recognizable thing either. We need to
30:30
Speaker 1: understand is a vast It's a vast area, and that
30:34
Speaker 1: to be able to acknowledge all of all of the
30:36
Speaker 1: different areas and appreciate all of the different areas is
30:39
Speaker 1: something that needs to happen. But as someone who has
30:43
Speaker 1: ignored and run from it for so long, has feared it,
30:46
Speaker 1: has not felt good enough for it, has not understood it,
30:49
Speaker 1: has felt like acknowledging this culture meant I was disrespecting
30:55
Speaker 1: the people who brought like who took me in. I'm
30:57
Speaker 1: putting that in quotes. So many of that conversation pops too,
31:02
Speaker 1: and I'm wishing, like, had I had something like this
31:05
Speaker 1: that celebrated Korean culture like this, what I have been
31:10
Speaker 1: less ashamed or less likely to turn away from it
31:14
Speaker 1: or been less hesitant in learning more about it, because
31:17
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm so far behind in learning something
31:21
Speaker 1: that it should be so important to me, like having
31:24
Speaker 1: a part of that is my identity feels so again
31:28
Speaker 1: too late, And I've kind of had that conversation about
31:30
Speaker 1: being too old for some of these things, whether it's
31:32
Speaker 1: connecting with family, connecting with culture, connecting with ideas, there's
31:37
Speaker 1: a lot to this, and also having that guilt and
31:40
Speaker 1: knowing that some of Korean culture, a lot of k
31:43
Speaker 1: pop culture, perpetuates racist ideals and stereotypes within things that
31:48
Speaker 1: are being oppressed here in the US. There's like this
31:52
Speaker 1: bigger picture of this. I have the celebrations, I have
31:56
Speaker 1: the desire. I'm so excited to hear this music and
31:59
Speaker 1: song and hear Korean and see the handbox and see
32:03
Speaker 1: the folklore. But at the same time, I feel like
32:06
Speaker 1: I am overwhelmed with guilt and ignorance when in trying
32:12
Speaker 1: to love and like these things. There's so much to
32:16
Speaker 1: this in that level, but also the bigger part of
32:20
Speaker 1: me which begged for representation and so clung to things
32:24
Speaker 1: like Brandy, who I love and I'm so glad I
32:27
Speaker 1: loved her music, but because she was not white and
32:31
Speaker 1: she was she was cast into love. To have a
32:36
Speaker 1: romance with an Asian man like that was enough for
32:40
Speaker 1: me to love things like Mulan and have to dress
32:43
Speaker 1: up like that, because I was the only Asian Ish
32:45
Speaker 1: representation that I saw as a good thing and as
32:49
Speaker 1: a strong thing, instead of being a caricature like pretty
32:52
Speaker 1: and Pink or Breakfast at Tiffany's, which mock Asian people
32:56
Speaker 1: in general, or fetishizes Asian people in general, and so
33:00
Speaker 1: seeing that and wishing that I had such a representation
33:04
Speaker 1: and what would that have made for me? Embracing my
33:08
Speaker 1: you know, being so young, like being that person and
33:11
Speaker 1: being loving the food that I love that brings so
33:14
Speaker 1: much memories triggers as well. There is so much in
33:18
Speaker 1: this context that seeing them be the center of the
33:22
Speaker 1: story phenomenal. Again, when we talked about just as long
33:27
Speaker 1: as we're together, my desperation to see any lightness of
33:31
Speaker 1: me was so strong because I always felt like a
33:35
Speaker 1: side character, the sidekick, and not wanting to be first
33:38
Speaker 1: time centered in something is beautiful. And again back to
33:42
Speaker 1: the other Happy Hour episode where it was like, but
33:44
Speaker 1: it feels like it's too late, I'm too old for
33:47
Speaker 1: this point of being. But there's so so many things
33:52
Speaker 1: that pop through my head as I'm watching this, Like
33:55
Speaker 1: it actually has me tearing up when I watched this
33:58
Speaker 1: cartoon animation, because there is something that you can be
34:04
Speaker 1: proud of, like my skin tone, my eye shape, my
34:08
Speaker 1: speech even isn't foreign, isn't weird, isn't unusual as where
34:14
Speaker 1: in you know, North Georgia Mountains, University of Georgia, unless
34:18
Speaker 1: you're a part of that clique, and there's a clique.
34:20
Speaker 1: When it comes to the Asian community, you are the
34:23
Speaker 1: odd one. You are the one that's singled out when
34:26
Speaker 1: growing up being stared at in an all white town
34:28
Speaker 1: because I'm at this Asian person walking in and people
34:30
Speaker 1: like who is that? What is that? And then my
34:32
Speaker 1: mom trying to be cute and being like no, because
34:34
Speaker 1: you're so cute, and I'm like, that's not why. Let's
34:37
Speaker 1: talk about the elephant in the room here, like thank
34:39
Speaker 1: you and all, but that's a lie and I don't
34:43
Speaker 1: want we need to talk about this. So there's so
34:46
Speaker 1: many levels in this movie that hit me as an
34:52
Speaker 1: adult Korean woman that felt embraced but also conflicted. This
35:02
Speaker 1: has made an impact. I will forever think about this
35:05
Speaker 1: as something especially because it balanced Western Koreans with a
35:14
Speaker 1: South Korean's Eastern born Eastern Asian people who are like, wow, okay,
35:19
Speaker 1: this feels familiar, as opposed to watching k dramas where
35:23
Speaker 1: it feels still foreign or a dream state, like things
35:26
Speaker 1: look familiar but as if I jumped them, versus this
35:29
Speaker 1: being like, okay it is today and now that I'm
35:31
Speaker 1: more familiar with with a mix of Western depiction, I
35:35
Speaker 1: guess is the best way to say it without being whitewashed,
35:39
Speaker 1: which is the other part to that. And with that,
35:42
Speaker 1: I think when we talk about these types of shows,
35:45
Speaker 1: I also have this fear that this could be a
35:47
Speaker 1: whitewashing of Asian characters. When you have voices that supposed
35:51
Speaker 1: to be Asian and it's not Asian. That is the
35:52
Speaker 1: biggest disappointment that I can ever think of. I'm like,
35:57
Speaker 1: why would they do this when you had characters are
35:59
Speaker 1: supposed to be Asian. They're like, we're gonna make it white.
36:01
Speaker 1: They look, they have a little bit of slant in
36:04
Speaker 1: their eyes. They think it possibly mixed. Scarlet Johansen is
36:07
Speaker 1: not Asian. I will fight you the day we die,
36:11
Speaker 1: you know, But that level like of that whitewashing. There's
36:15
Speaker 1: this conversation of the newest Broadway musical and which was
36:19
Speaker 1: written for uh in Korean standard and has half white people,
36:24
Speaker 1: which is what it is, But then they're talking about
36:26
Speaker 1: it being cast fully white now, and the argument which
36:29
Speaker 1: I've had argue to me about how well, you know,
36:32
Speaker 1: Koreans take white shows and make it Korean. Why can't
36:35
Speaker 1: we do that here? But like, but Korean Americans exist.
36:39
Speaker 1: This is not there's no more like. The differentiation is huge,
36:43
Speaker 1: and to be fair, I also think it's funny when
36:46
Speaker 1: I see K dramas like depicting white people as all
36:49
Speaker 1: Americans and you can tovily tell their accent is like
36:52
Speaker 1: Russian or German and you're like that they are absolutely
36:54
Speaker 1: not from the US, but good try. I like that
36:57
Speaker 1: there are moments like that when you have like and understanding,
37:00
Speaker 1: like you don't understand what it means to have representation
37:03
Speaker 1: because you've always had it and you never had to
37:05
Speaker 1: think about whether or not it wouldn't be it wouldn't
37:08
Speaker 1: be there. And then with that all by the way
37:12
Speaker 1: they did have I love that they mixed the casts
37:15
Speaker 1: so it was both Korean Americans, Korean Western Korean people
37:19
Speaker 1: who maybe in from Canada whatever whatnot to also having
37:22
Speaker 1: Korean actors South Korean actors. So we had Arden Cho
37:25
Speaker 1: who was she was dern dirty on a couple of
37:29
Speaker 1: c W shows and I'm glad to see her make
37:31
Speaker 1: it into this. We have Daniel Day Kim, who is
37:34
Speaker 1: an icon and heart throb and hello, how are you?
37:36
Speaker 1: My name is Smantha, Come see me, who got to
37:39
Speaker 1: be a small minor role, and then we have kN Jong.
37:42
Speaker 1: We all know who he is. He is a comedian
37:43
Speaker 1: who is the doctor who's he exists. Then we have
37:48
Speaker 1: the Korean stars Lee Byong Hin, who is one of
37:50
Speaker 1: the ones I was talking about. He has a sketchy
37:52
Speaker 1: passed really sad because he is huge in both Squid
37:56
Speaker 1: Games and this, but they are very easily dismissive of
38:01
Speaker 1: sexual harassment allegations and charges. We have Anhyo soap, which
38:05
Speaker 1: I've talked about him before because he was one of
38:08
Speaker 1: my first like interactions with K drama. They're like, I
38:11
Speaker 1: like that, Oh, who is this guy who is Canadian?
38:13
Speaker 1: Actually he was born in Canada but has been in
38:16
Speaker 1: South Korea and has made a huge name for himself
38:18
Speaker 1: as a South Korean K drama actor. So he has
38:22
Speaker 1: a bit of an accent, which I think is kind
38:24
Speaker 1: of funny to me to see is Canadian, but because
38:27
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess he's been in South Korea so
38:28
Speaker 1: long that it sounds like like English is a second language,
38:33
Speaker 1: which I don't believe it is. But he who plays
38:36
Speaker 1: genu Is also was a training and then decided to
38:39
Speaker 1: act in model. They didn't use his voice though for
38:42
Speaker 1: most of the songs. It was a different Andrew Troy
38:45
Speaker 1: I believe is his name is the one who ends
38:47
Speaker 1: up singing for him, and he was a writer in
38:49
Speaker 1: Trainees well, but having him in there in one of
38:53
Speaker 1: my favorite KA drama's business proposal. I've talked about this
38:56
Speaker 1: one before and they actually have that little like name
38:59
Speaker 1: like theme song cop in this is an easter egg
39:02
Speaker 1: when he walks in, when you introduce to Gino as
39:05
Speaker 1: human for is like that, and I'm like, I love
39:07
Speaker 1: a good throw it like little secrets that we know
39:12
Speaker 1: one of them. But yeah, So I loved everything about that.
39:15
Speaker 1: Having actual celebrities or stars or actors who are in
39:19
Speaker 1: that world who have been dismissed for so long to
39:22
Speaker 1: be able to be a part of that success. I
39:26
Speaker 1: love every bit of that. And that's the representation that
39:30
Speaker 1: we've been begging for. That I've been begging for that.
39:32
Speaker 1: People who want to see more of their ethnicity, their
39:36
Speaker 1: community being represented. That's what we're begging for, the more
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Speaker 1: of that. Please. It doesn't take much and it's a
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Speaker 1: huge success, a huge success. Also, we had a small
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Speaker 1: moment with Selene singing, so the ac actress who played
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Speaker 1: that did not sing it was Leah Soalanga, the Filipino
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Speaker 1: icon and queen of Broadway that I've spoken previously when
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Speaker 1: we talked about BBS and Ley Miz and again me
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Speaker 1: clinging to any type of representation as a child, she
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Speaker 1: had a little minor row and I hope if they
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Speaker 1: do have a backstory, that we get to have a
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Speaker 1: longer edition of her musical talents because we need those,
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Speaker 1: we need that in our lives. Yeah, thank you for
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Speaker 1: going on this journey with me. There's so much to this.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk more about this. I want to
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Speaker 1: see more things like this. I hope that there is
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Speaker 1: a sequel that Kang is a part of and if any,
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Speaker 1: because I feel like we've talked about how we think
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Speaker 1: that some of the studios may be listening to us
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Speaker 1: and taking our ideas or suggestions. If you are listening
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Speaker 1: and Kwang is not on there, we're going to be upset.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, we'll talk about it.
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Speaker 3: Correct, that's right, you watch out the big studio. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll come back and talk about this more.
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Speaker 3: I will definitely report after Dragon Con. Yes, what I
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Speaker 3: see some pictures, I will.
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Speaker 2: I'll try to do better.
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Speaker 3: I'm not great at taking pictures, so I will do
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