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SYSK Selects: Was Atlantis A Real Place? · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Hello there, it's me Josh and for this week's s
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  Speaker 1: Y s K Selex, I've chosen our episode. Was there
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  Speaker 1: a real Atlantis? And it turns out they're very well
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  Speaker 1: may have been. At the very least there's a very
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  Speaker 1: exciting lost city. The archaeologists found that well, it may
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  Speaker 1: have been the model for the Atlantis legend. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to ruin anything. I don't want to spoil anything,
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  Speaker 1: So just kick back and enjoy this adventure episode. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast on Josh Clark Back in
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  Speaker 1: the Saddle again with Charles W. Chuck Bryant. We share
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  Speaker 1: a horse, we do. I have a horse side car.
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  Speaker 1: Actually it's a small mule. Yeah, that's attached to your horse. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I have to lean into the corners. It's more
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  Speaker 1: of a hay car then a side car. Back in
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  Speaker 1: the Saddle, meaning we are back from Texas and back
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  Speaker 1: in the recording booth for the first time in two weeks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it feels nice, dude, to be back in this smelly, little,
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  Speaker 1: dimly lit room. Yeah, it's strangely at least it's not
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  Speaker 1: like blood colored, you know. Yeah, man, that'd be weird.
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  Speaker 1: Um so chuck, Yes, I guess we should get started. Huh,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have an intro? Well, I mean I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna use the intro. Is the intro? Go ahead? Then?
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  Speaker 1: Have you have you ever heard of a place called Atlantis?
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  Speaker 1: I have? Are you? Are you read like the Triangle
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  Speaker 1: the vacation getaway? No, we're like Britney Spears stayed for
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  Speaker 1: free for like a month when they opened and try
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  Speaker 1: to generate buzz. I'm sure they were packing them in
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  Speaker 1: after that. I think they have been. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't discuss the financial a state of Atlantis,
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  Speaker 1: the resort and the hamas. But what I can discuss
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  Speaker 1: is Atlantis, the possibly fictitious place. Yeah, I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and go on record as fictitious. Are you well?
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  Speaker 1: After reading this? And by the way, this was awesome,
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea about the secret surprise that's coming.
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  Speaker 1: Which one, well, the the other place, the real place?
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  Speaker 1: Oh gotcha? Okay? Which I meant to ask you before
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  Speaker 1: how we pronounced that? But we'll just get to that
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  Speaker 1: and I'll let you say it first. But yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say it's fictitious and based on that. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: think I kind of go with that too, mainly because
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  Speaker 1: one of the things about Plato is, uh, he was
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  Speaker 1: the only person ever mentioned Atlantis. Plenty of people have
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  Speaker 1: mentioned it after him, but it was based on what
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  Speaker 1: he said, which kind of makes you think like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: is this um, this is an allegory. Probably it's about wickedness. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What was his book in to Maus? Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: the book where he first mentioned it, and it was
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  Speaker 1: written in three sixty b C. And Tomaus is one
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  Speaker 1: of his dialogues, I believe. And Plato has a thing
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  Speaker 1: where he likes to take real places, real people, real events,
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  Speaker 1: and then just kinda use some literary license. He's a philosopher, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: yeah he was. He was not a documentarian of real things, right, Um.
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  Speaker 1: But along the way somewhere that idea got lost, right right.
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  Speaker 1: So for example, Sodom and Gomorrah. I I would wager
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people think that Sodom and Gomorrah
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  Speaker 1: something really happened, and then um it was it was
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  Speaker 1: taken Eventually it was used as allegory that these people
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  Speaker 1: were punished by God. Um, but really, you know, something
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  Speaker 1: really bad happened to him, and somebody decided, Hey, this
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  Speaker 1: is a great, great chance to use this as a
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  Speaker 1: life lesson for everyone. So there's a really strong possibility
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  Speaker 1: that Plato did the same thing because as he describes Atlantis, um,
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  Speaker 1: they they had gotten kind of hubristic. I guess it
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  Speaker 1: does mimic other things in the Bible, that's for sure
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  Speaker 1: it does. And um, the great god Poseidon, who is
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  Speaker 1: the god of the sea and of earthquakes, decided that
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  Speaker 1: he was kind of tired of the people of Atlantis,
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  Speaker 1: which was the seat of a cult that worshiped him. Right,
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  Speaker 1: so he, using the techniques at hand, said he created
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  Speaker 1: He's he I guess created an earthquake that generated a
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  Speaker 1: tsunami that sunk Atlantis beneath the waves, lost forever. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think the quote from the book was sank into
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  Speaker 1: the sea in a single day and night of misfortune. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's putting it lightly so. And he placed it too,
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  Speaker 1: didn't he. Actually, Yeah, it's where off Spain, the Pillars
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  Speaker 1: of Hercules, which is now called the Strait of Gibraltar,
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  Speaker 1: And there's people looking in Spain now right, still think
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  Speaker 1: legitimate bona fide Archaeologists they're fun. Yeah, so um, so Plato,
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  Speaker 1: I guess part of the problem is he's he's saying, like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: this this was at the Strait of Gibraltar in his
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  Speaker 1: parlance at the time. He's saying, is that the Straight
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  Speaker 1: of Gibraltar. The problem is is Atlantis was this magnificent
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  Speaker 1: rings city, um, and it had like fantastic technology and
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  Speaker 1: architecture and it was just an amazingly advanced place. But
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  Speaker 1: he also says that this has happened nine thousand years ago, right, right,
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  Speaker 1: so nine thousand years before him. So they're aliens. Well
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  Speaker 1: that was that is thanks to a guy named Ignacious Donalding.
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  Speaker 1: So this guy, so Plato writes about Atlantis, goes about
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  Speaker 1: his business, right, and apparently nobody back then took it seriously.
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  Speaker 1: And that's like modern man were the first people to say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe there wasn't Atlantis. Yeah, back to the day, everyone's like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just Plato going off again. It was this one guy,
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  Speaker 1: Ignatious Donnelly can lay it all at his feet, jerk,
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  Speaker 1: because in eighty two he published a book called Atlantis
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  Speaker 1: The Antidiluvian World, and in it he's saying, Okay, the Azores,
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  Speaker 1: the Azores Man. I wish i'd like that one up,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's right. Um, the islands in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the Atlantic, that's actually the highest peaks of
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  Speaker 1: the highest mountaintops of Atlantis. And wait there's more. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the incredibly advanced civilizations in Egypt and high up in
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  Speaker 1: the Andes of Peru, pre inca. Um, those were colonies
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  Speaker 1: set forth by Atlantis that survived because they weren't there
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  Speaker 1: for the sinking of Atlantis. So basically, um, we have
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  Speaker 1: civilization to thank We have Atlantis to thank for civilization.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is all of this is totally unfounded, but
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  Speaker 1: it just kicked off the um occultization of Atlantis. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That it's been placed everywhere from uh, South China, see
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  Speaker 1: the Caribbean, the Pacific, the Indian Ocean, the Canary Islands, Antarctica,
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  Speaker 1: supposedly Switzerland. Really Yeah, I didn't chase that one down,
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  Speaker 1: but I saw somewhere that somebody said, Switzerland, let's go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and say everywhere. Yeah, everywhere, Atlantis is everywhere. There's
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  Speaker 1: um Edgar Casey, who is known as the Sleeping Prophet
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  Speaker 1: of Virginia Beach, who's a psychic he Um, he said
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  Speaker 1: that Atlantis stretched from the Gulf of Mexico to Spain,
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  Speaker 1: and that the Bermuda Triangle. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: you know, if there is mystery in the Bermuda Triangle,
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  Speaker 1: it's due to Atlantis. Is energy crystals, I will say,
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  Speaker 1: though he said it would rise off Beminy. And then
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  Speaker 1: when they discovered the Beminy Road, everyone's like see there, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then it's two bad. Cherry's not here because she's like,
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  Speaker 1: I dove the Beminy Road. Yeah. Guest producer Maddie is
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  Speaker 1: in the house. Hey, Matt, we didn't mention that. Um So,
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  Speaker 1: once Donnelly comes along and kind of takes up the
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  Speaker 1: mantle of searching for Atlantis and making it as far
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  Speaker 1: out as possible, it just becomes more and more of
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  Speaker 1: the dope mean of like fringe dwellers. Right, sure, but
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  Speaker 1: that is not to say that there aren't legitimate archaeologists
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  Speaker 1: searching for something like Atlantis. That that doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 1: there isn't something that inspired Plato, right, and we probably
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  Speaker 1: know what that is. Actually, that's where my money is.
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  Speaker 1: And now you're gonna make me say it, even though
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  Speaker 1: I asked you to say it. Hilaki Haliki Hiliki Haliki Haliki, Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: Haliki spelled he like, Yeah, Um, I saw some weird
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  Speaker 1: pronunciation things that I didn't understand when I looked it up,
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  Speaker 1: so I just figured i'd hear it preview. That was
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  Speaker 1: Greek to you, it was indeed, um, So yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: cats out of the bag. As far as I'm concerned,
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  Speaker 1: it is Hiliki. Well. It was a super interesting story though. Um.
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  Speaker 1: This was well documented by lots of people, not not
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  Speaker 1: like a single source like Plato, single made up source exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a lost Greek city. It suffered a
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  Speaker 1: fate much like Atlantis supposedly did. Yeah. So Hliki was
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  Speaker 1: this um very powerful city in ancient Greece on the
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  Speaker 1: Gulf Corinthum, very nice in that area. Yeah yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: imagine have you been No, I want to go. Um.
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  Speaker 1: It was powerful enough to have its own colonies, so
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned if Atlanta had colonies in like Germany, this
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  Speaker 1: is very much the case for Hliki. And it was
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  Speaker 1: the seat of power for a twelve city league called
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  Speaker 1: the Achaian League, which is kind of like the Confederacy
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  Speaker 1: in the South, so that you like having a bar
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  Speaker 1: in a different city that's like your home bar like
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  Speaker 1: you know they have like it's usually football based. There's
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  Speaker 1: like a New York Jets bar at Pittsburgh Steelers bar
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  Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Maybe that the same thing. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was more like the capital of like a number of states. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think it's the same thing. But I
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  Speaker 1: like that analogy. I'm just being coy. Um, so the
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  Speaker 1: the key in league, now, I've just realized that I
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  Speaker 1: missed something. Now that's a joke. Yeah, So the the
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  Speaker 1: heliki is the city or the center of the key,
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  Speaker 1: and league get controlled like the shipping around there. And
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  Speaker 1: by the time Plato came about, it was hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: years old, already very active port they have their own coinage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and it looked very cool too. I looked
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  Speaker 1: up the coins like dolphins and Poseidon and yeah, pitch
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  Speaker 1: or not pitchforks, what do they call the tridents? Tridents?
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  Speaker 1: And it was they had Poseidon on the coin because
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  Speaker 1: this was like the seat of a cult of Poseidon. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just like Atlantis exactly. And um it was had a
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  Speaker 1: very prominent, well known statue of Poseidon, just like Atlantis. Right,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. So the similarities are starting to mount top
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  Speaker 1: they are, and uh, they really mount in a big
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  Speaker 1: way in December of three seventy three BC, when the
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  Speaker 1: townspeople started noticing, Wait a minute, all these small animals
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  Speaker 1: are scurring for the hills and that's never a good sign.
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  Speaker 1: Because we did talk about in another podcast how animals
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  Speaker 1: can sense underground tremmors. I had to have been in
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  Speaker 1: how earthquakes were. Yeah, I think that's what it was.
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  Speaker 1: And sure enough, earthquake came in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: night on the fifth day, and that was followed by
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  Speaker 1: an enormous wave and just like that overnight, just like Atlantis,
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  Speaker 1: it was submerged to the bottom of the sea. Well
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  Speaker 1: not the bottom but no, and not necessarily the sea either.
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  Speaker 1: As we'll see, this is getting more mysterious. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: so this really happened. This is pretty Uh, it was
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  Speaker 1: a pretty well known event. Um. One of the there,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we should say there were no survivors, like
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  Speaker 1: people from the surrounding cities got together like um, a
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  Speaker 1: search party, a rescue party, um that set out at
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  Speaker 1: dawn just a few hours after this happened, and there
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  Speaker 1: was well I think they got they walked as far
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  Speaker 1: as they couldn't were like, oh yeah, well there's now
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  Speaker 1: like a sea where there used to be this this
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  Speaker 1: um city gone. There was no one there apparently. The
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  Speaker 1: only thing visible were the tops of um the trees
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  Speaker 1: in Poseidon's sacred grove. I would guess all of trees
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  Speaker 1: yea uh. And there were ten ships and this will
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  Speaker 1: come up later too from Sparta that were a docked
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  Speaker 1: there in the port and they were gone as well,
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  Speaker 1: just gone, and that will play an important part here
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  Speaker 1: coming up soon. Yeah. So um, imagine like there's a city,
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  Speaker 1: it's a very powerful, rich city, and you live out
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  Speaker 1: in the boondocks and you just know something happened there
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  Speaker 1: as an earthquake, so you go to check on the
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  Speaker 1: city and then the city's gone and it's just silence,
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  Speaker 1: and there's ten ships that aren't there anymore. Everything is
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  Speaker 1: just gone. Creepy. What was even creepier though, is you
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  Speaker 1: could look down into the city underwater and see it
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  Speaker 1: all there still, yeah, including the statue of Posidon, which
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  Speaker 1: apparently still stood erect and in place right and local
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  Speaker 1: fishermen and ferryman um reported having their nets get caught
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  Speaker 1: in poseidon statue all the time, which is kind of ironic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but Um, so you could see Hliki for hundreds of years,
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  Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons why it's so well
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  Speaker 1: documented because there were it was kind of like have
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  Speaker 1: you heard of than of tourism, dark tourism or death tourism.
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  Speaker 1: So um, it was kind of like an early version
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  Speaker 1: of a dark tourism site, like come this massive terrea,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, um, and you could go check it out,
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  Speaker 1: and travelers and writers and scholars did, and they documented
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  Speaker 1: what they saw, um pretty pretty um specifically too, Like
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  Speaker 1: in Stadia, they said, well, here's the this is where
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  Speaker 1: the city is now, this is where it was in
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  Speaker 1: relation to you know this river, that river, so like,
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  Speaker 1: the sources are pretty pretty abundant, and they're pretty specific.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of abundant and rivers and sources, look at you. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: That area was was unique in that it had these
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  Speaker 1: three rivers that met there, uh, bringing fresh water in.
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  Speaker 1: So you got some good fresh water, you got some
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  Speaker 1: good seawater with tons of good seafood, you got very
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  Speaker 1: rich land for crops. We've got irrigation because we've got
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  Speaker 1: the fresh water. The weather is gorgeous. So it's right
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  Speaker 1: here on on the lovely seaside, and that's what made
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  Speaker 1: it and on the ideal spot for people to say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we should settle down here. Yeah, let's hang out
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  Speaker 1: here for a while, get fat on shrimp. Unfortunately, it's
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  Speaker 1: also a bad spot because there are two fault lines
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  Speaker 1: that run parallel through the area, and uh, they haven't
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  Speaker 1: been known to call some major disruption over the years,
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  Speaker 1: like the earthquake that destroyed Hiliki and generated the tsunami.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like this whole place is
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  Speaker 1: like made to produce a lost city, right yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: there's other places around the world, um, where there's violent
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  Speaker 1: tectonic activity and its coastal, so that means that it's
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  Speaker 1: in danger of a tsunamill California not with a tsunami,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think. Japan, yeah, um, the Malaysian tsunami two four. Um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of places. But to produce a so
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  Speaker 1: that's that will ruin a coastal city, right yes, But
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  Speaker 1: for it to become lost, it has to be covered
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  Speaker 1: up somehow, and Hiliki is in a really unique situation
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  Speaker 1: for this because of those three rivers that form the
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  Speaker 1: Hiliki Delta where Hiliki was situated, right, So you've got
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  Speaker 1: the earthquake, You've got the tsunami. So you have a
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  Speaker 1: ruined city now submerged. And then these three rivers bring
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  Speaker 1: a lot of silt to the area, and so eventually
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  Speaker 1: Hiliki was covered up over over the centuries. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: put it in the article about how if you bought
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  Speaker 1: a house or not bought a house, Let's say, built
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  Speaker 1: a house along the shore in eight ninety, it would
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  Speaker 1: be a thousand feet inland, which imagine is quite a
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  Speaker 1: rub for people that build that lovely house right on
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  Speaker 1: the water, because within a century or so it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a couple of streets back and there's like tin
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  Speaker 1: jerks in front of you that have built houses exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like what's that game where you
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: like leap frog? Oh yeah, I think you can say
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  Speaker 1: Monopoly where you build bigger houses than the other guy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would have worked too. Um. So you've
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  Speaker 1: got the tsunamis, you've got the river, You've got the silt,
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  Speaker 1: the silt. You also have UM the delta itself. Because
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  Speaker 1: of this violent activity, UM is moving up their finding
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  Speaker 1: over time. It's it's rising. So you have a rising delta,
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  Speaker 1: which is low. It's like right at sea level, but
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  Speaker 1: it's it's getting bigger and silt is piling it up
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  Speaker 1: and making dry ground even further jut out into the coast. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what it made was a nice little surprise for archaeologists,
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  Speaker 1: and I imagine archaeologists just went berserk with this place. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they had no idea. They just thought Hliki itself was there.
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  Speaker 1: They knew it was there, and that they suspected it
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  Speaker 1: would be kind of like a Pompeii, but even more
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  Speaker 1: um they considered it even more vital to archaeology or
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  Speaker 1: the archaeological record than Pompeii. Even Well, what they found
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  Speaker 1: though is you know, Josh, but we're gonna spring it
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  Speaker 1: on you now, is six other distinct occupied horizons besides
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  Speaker 1: six other ones are seven total, six total, six total,
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  Speaker 1: five others besides Hilikia underneath one on top of the
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  Speaker 1: other that had been settled and civilized and wiped out
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  Speaker 1: and covered up and like just kind of captured in time.
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  Speaker 1: That is crazy, Yeah, which, what what were they? So
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  Speaker 1: there was one from the Byzantine period, which was pretty long.
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  Speaker 1: I think it ran from two d to the fifteenth
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  Speaker 1: century UM, and then beneath that there is a Roman
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  Speaker 1: ruin which is from the second to the fourth a d.
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  Speaker 1: And that one even features a Roman road which is
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  Speaker 1: the road that travelers and writers used to come look
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  Speaker 1: at Hiliki the ruins um and that one also chuck.
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  Speaker 1: This just blows in my mind. It's so captured in
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  Speaker 1: time that there's a human skeleton a top a like
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  Speaker 1: a cattle skull that like it was knocked on top
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  Speaker 1: of this beast and killed like by rock and rubble
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  Speaker 1: and just kept there. So there's skeletons are intertwined now
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  Speaker 1: and that nuts. So the Roman cities on top of Hiliki,
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  Speaker 1: then beneath h leaky uh, they found even more stuff.
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  Speaker 1: They found a settlement from the Bronze Age, and before
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  Speaker 1: that they kept digging and found uh, prehistoric Neolithic period civilization,
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  Speaker 1: possibly as old as twelve thousand years. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: there's something beneath that even I don't know. This makes
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  Speaker 1: me think they should start digging in Los Angeles or
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: other like seaside retreats to see what you could find. Well,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: there's a whole um. There's this whole idea, especially among
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Atlantis hunters, that it's extremely intuitive because of rising sea
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: levels that anything that was established around the last Ice
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Age or even at about the end of it, the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: sea levels of ridges and like more than a hundred
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: feet since then. So any coastal cities now underwater. That's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: like a big big thing that they hunt for an
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: hour that archaeologists are kind of starting to try to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: get into is um looking for human habitation underwater. Like
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: there's this whole area off of Whales, I think Northern Wales,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Northern Ireland, maybe Um or Scotland anyways, called dogger Land
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and it's like just the submerged area that used to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: be above ground and they're they're they're finding like Neolithic
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: settlements there and that cool. Well, and you know, the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: earth has changed so much over the course of its
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: existence that what's here didn't used to be here, and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: what was there was something else, and so yeah, I
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: think it's there's no telling what's down there, but that
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that idea and that the fact that you can find
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Neolithic settlements under water supports, ironically the notion that there
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: could be something like a land that's lost somewhere like Hiliki. Right.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so these guys they found this this um
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: area and once they found Hilliki. It all started to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: they just it was like jack pot, jackpot, jackpot. But
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: finding Hiliki itself um proved a little more difficult than
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: they thought, especially considering all the documentation they had. Yeah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: they knew supposedly knew where it was, quote unquote like
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: it's not like they were searching for a needle in
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a haystack. They were searching for like, uh, like a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: pool que in a haystack, you know. Uh. So in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the late eighties a couple of cornell prest us or
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: started looking for it for real z s and uh.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: They had a little bit of misinterpretation um for the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: word for the translation for body of water. And lucky enough,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: they had a Greek woman with them. Well she's one
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: of the Cornellia professors. Oh she was. Yeah. Well then
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: lucky that she was Greek, Well yeah, because she translates.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: She was like, wait a minute, She's like, it may
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: not be in the gulf after all, It maybe inland.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And they were like, yeah, everybody had been thinking that
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: this was the gulf had swallowed him up, swallowed up
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the city, which makes sense, right. It turns out it
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: was an inland lagoon that did so. I think it
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: was very much akin to the you know, the Noah's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Ark episode. We just did, um, what is it? The
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Dead Sea? I think where they think that the Dead
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Sea used to be freshwater right now it's salt water
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: because that's evidence of the flood happening. And probably what
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: they think is the Mediterranean overwhelmed the straight I can't
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: remember what's straight it was, you're searching the reaches. Yeah, anyway,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I think it was much the same way, like the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: city used to be around a lagoon, and then the
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: lagoon got a lot bigger, thus swallowing the city. Right,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: So they looked under land, and all of a sudden
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: they had to ditch their scuba gear for shovels, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: they found the first Roman city, the first ruins. We're like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, twelve feet just twelve feet below the land,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: which doesn't seem like that far at all. No, it's not,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: because the Roman rumors were like four or five ft. Yeah,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I would think that someone would have accidentally found it
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: before that, even you know, well that kicked it off.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: There was a German archaeologists who was traveling in the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: area and found a Hliky coin with Poseidon on. It
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: was like, Holy cow, this is significant. So I think
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how it started. Yeah, so they found
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: have found a lot of stuff since then, um buildings,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: industrial buildings, kilns, looms, intersecting streets. Yeah, with buildings along
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: these streets like a real city. Yeah. Uh what else?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: The coins, of course, UM, jugs, jugs with their original contents,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and those are from the Bronze Age. They found a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: storehouse of like jugs of different sizes and types from
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the Bronze Age. So we're talking like five thousand years old.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: They don't have any idea about these civilizations, but this
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: was contemporary to like ancient Troy, which itself was considered
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: a legendary city until hiring Schleiman found it. Um. So
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: they just finding this stuff is amazingly awesome because and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: there's more yea, there is supposedly, yes, So they think
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that they found the outskirts of Haliki and that they
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: there's a lot more left, and that it's intact. Oh,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: they're not actually at Hliki yet. No, they're in Hiliki,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: but they're not in the city center, they don't you. Yeah,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: so they're just out in the outskirts. That's what they think.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: UM and when they were looking for Hiliki out in
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the gulf. They found something cool too, didn't they. I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: don't think I know this, you do know it. They
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: found a sea wall ancent sea Wolf of the City,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and they also found what they think are the ten
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Spartan ship. Oh yeah, that's right. I thought you were
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: going to say the Statue of Poseidon. That would be like, well,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they'll find an event the motherload if they found that,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: things still standing upright under the earth. So they keep following.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: They started by following the Roman road, right, So they're
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: basically they're unearthing, like imagine this student there unearthing like
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: three lost cities at once. Isn't that insane? Do you know? What?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Like an archaeological treasure trove that is. So they're unearthing them.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And as long as they don't intersect, right, as long
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: as like the Roman town isn't built directly over the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Statue of Poseidon to where getting to Poseidon would undermine
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the Roman town um, then they should be able to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: get at all. And they're gonna be doing They will
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: excavate this for decades. So this has been ongoing since
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the late eighties. Well, no, they really started uncovering stuff
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: in like two thousand, but they started in so awesome. Yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: very cool. So that's a Haliki. So of course, Chuck,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: this doesn't mean that anybody has stopped searching for Atlantis.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Like the archaeologist in Spain. Yeah, he's looking inland though,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: which comes from this theory. So maybe he's honest. One,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: it's possible he's gonna start digging up in Barcelona and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: people are gonna say, what are you doing? Yeah, drink
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: some wine. So, uh, you were saying that you think
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that Plato was inspired by Hliki. I think there's substantial
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: evidence in what we've said. But also keep in mind
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Laki happened in three seventy three. Plato wrote his book
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in three sixty, thirteen years later, and he lived in
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the area. This is a pretty well known catastrophe. I
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: think you're probably right, But with it, we would not
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: have had the awesome TV show Man from Atlantis had
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: it not been for Plato. No, I guess that's true.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Did you watch that? No, that was a little before
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: your time. And there's an awesome um HP Lovecraft short
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: story about a German U boat that ends up in Atlantis.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: It's awesome. I tried to find YouTube stuff of Man
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: from Atlantis and then there's plenty out there. You know
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: he had the webbed hands when I was a kid up, Really,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you had webbed hands and feet. It's not Prince Nemore,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: is it the submarter Prince of Nemore Nemo. No, Prince Nemore,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: He's a Marvel comic guy. No, no, no, it was Man.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It was a schlocky It ran for like one year.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Was like, yeah he was he had supero he had
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: superhuman strength and uh could breathe underwater, had gills, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: he had webbed feet in hands and um, I think
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: like some government agency snapped him up to do like
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: investigative undersea work for them. Oh, I know you're talking
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: about Welcome Back Cotter. It was a dude from from Dallas.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Uh Patrick? What's his face? Patrick Ewing? Patrick Guffy? You're
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: thinking jr. You Patricking is the basketball player, right, Patrick Duffy? Yah? Yeah,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: h this was good stuff. I've never heard of that show. Yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it was only around for one year. I think. Boy,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I was into it when I was like seven. Good stuff.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: You had webbed hands. Yeah, it got me into Plato.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: You hadn't been eating it for years. Funny guy. All right,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: so that's it. You got anything else? I got nothing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this one with me. It was awesome.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you for opening my eyes to coolness. Anytime. If
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you want to know more about Juliki, you should search
• 28:44
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• 28:51
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• 28:56
  Speaker 1: That's right, Josh. Remember when we did a little TV
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: pilot recently. Um, we tried to get these book INDs
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: onto the show. They arrived a little late. We weren't
• 29:07
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• 29:09
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• 29:13
  Speaker 1: have been a big fan for a couple of years, UM,
• 29:16
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• 29:18
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• 29:23
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• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Guatemala podcast gave him an idea for a Facebook fundraising
• 29:31
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• 29:36
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• 29:40
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• 29:45
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• 29:48
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• 29:52
  Speaker 1: with just this basic idea. Take an ordinary set of
• 29:55
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• 29:58
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• 30:02
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• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a million bucks and give it all to co ed.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: So that's the plan. It's a good plan. I don't
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: know if we added anything to that. We added at
• 30:13
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• 30:16
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• 30:18
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• 30:22
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• 30:25
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• 30:30
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• 30:34
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• 30:36
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• 30:39
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• 30:42
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• 30:46
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• 30:49
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• 30:52
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• 30:56
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• 31:01
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• 31:27
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• 31:29
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• 31:32
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• 31:36
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• 31:41
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• 31:47
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• 31:49
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• 31:51
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• 31:53
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• 31:56
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