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Salvation: Works or Faith? · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Jabi, here we are. We're talking about the
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  Speaker 2: rapture in our new podcast. Appreciate you being here. And
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  Speaker 2: we've been talking about a lot of other things. But
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do this in the other ones. But your website,
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  Speaker 2: your information, it brings in leads into the question I
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  Speaker 2: want to ask.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So not by works ministries. We've been around since
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  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, and our core value is the clarity, accuracy,
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  Speaker 3: and urgency of the Gospel message. And we do that
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  Speaker 3: by providing commentary and insight on geopolitical events of the day.
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  Speaker 3: But Titus three to five is our foundational verse, which says,
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  Speaker 3: not by works of righteousness, which we have done, but
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  Speaker 3: according to His mercy he saved us. So we are
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  Speaker 3: passionate about the clarity of the Gospel that it's by
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  Speaker 3: grace only. It's a free gift. It's not something that
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  Speaker 3: you have to make a pledge or commitment or promise.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a bilateral contract between you and God. It's
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  Speaker 3: a unilateral gift. Nothing in my hand I bring simply
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  Speaker 3: to the cross eye cling and that seguees well into
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  Speaker 3: our works will coalesced as well with our passion for
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  Speaker 3: end times prophecy, because of the urgency component that things
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  Speaker 3: are really heating up, and we know people need to
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  Speaker 3: be ready because today is the day of salvation.
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  Speaker 2: So here we have Titus three five. Not by works
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  Speaker 2: of rightness. We have Relatians two sixteen. Not by works
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  Speaker 2: of a law will anybody be justified? So we have
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  Speaker 2: this language even if we throw Galatians only in a
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  Speaker 2: Jewish context, of judaizing context, that's fine. It appears a
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  Speaker 2: couple of times there. But Titus three five again not
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  Speaker 2: by works of any kind of righteous not even necessarily
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  Speaker 2: in a mosaic law righteousness. So of course we have
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  Speaker 2: Ephesians right by grace, say, by faith through grace. So
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  Speaker 2: not of works doesn't describe any qualifier there except can't
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  Speaker 2: boatht by it. So my question is is, and this
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  Speaker 2: is the lead up, is I've been having interactions with
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  Speaker 2: people online where their mentality they're thinking is that and
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  Speaker 2: they're even dispensational. So that's a good art, But that
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  Speaker 2: once the rapture happens during the tribulation, a gospel is
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  Speaker 2: required to be saved there. But it's a gospel that
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  Speaker 2: adds at least one work, and that one work is
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  Speaker 2: put in a negative context Revelation fourteen that they in
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  Speaker 2: order to maintain their salvation or keep it or to whatever,
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  Speaker 2: they cannot take the mark of the beast. So let's
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  Speaker 2: unpack that a little bit, because certainly, if you take
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  Speaker 2: the mark of the beast, it says you're eternally condemned. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So the card before the whose, I mean, what you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's unpack this a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it goes back to understanding grace, and grace
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  Speaker 3: by definition cannot have any works connected to it in
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  Speaker 3: any way before after ordering. Paul makes us very clear
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  Speaker 3: in Romans four four and five, whatever's of grace is
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  Speaker 3: not of works, whatever's works is not of grace. Romans
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  Speaker 3: eleven six, same thing. So you know, if you if
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  Speaker 3: you add works to grace, it becomes a debt, becomes
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  Speaker 3: again a conditional situation. So people need to understand that
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  Speaker 3: grace is absolutely free. Romans three twenty four says we
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  Speaker 3: are justified freely by His grace. So this notion that
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  Speaker 3: somehow in the tribulation period, now you've got this added condition,
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  Speaker 3: which is not only do you have to believe in
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  Speaker 3: Jesus unto eternal life, that he died and rose again
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  Speaker 3: for your sins. But you must also not take the mark.
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  Speaker 3: That completely misunderstands what is going on there in Revelation
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  Speaker 3: fourteen is it's descriptive, not prescriptive. In other words, the
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  Speaker 3: one and only condition for any human being, past, present,
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  Speaker 3: in future since the fall of man to be born again,
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  Speaker 3: to be saved, to have eternal life is faith alone
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  Speaker 3: plus nothing. So in Revelation it talks about from a
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  Speaker 3: descriptive context that those who take the mark are going
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  Speaker 3: to hell, which means but it doesn't say because they
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  Speaker 3: took the mark, never says that it just revealing something, right,
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  Speaker 3: it's revealing something exactly. So this is where theological synthesis
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  Speaker 3: is crutural. Comparing scripture with scripture, you can't have one
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  Speaker 3: passage contradict a wealth of others. And of course a
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  Speaker 3: fundamental harmoneutical rule is you always interpret the obscurre in
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  Speaker 3: light of the clear. So the clear is faith alone.
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  Speaker 3: You know all the way back Abraham was justified by faith,
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  Speaker 3: and so clearly precisely what you have to believe about
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  Speaker 3: God and Christ changes as God unveils more of his
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  Speaker 3: word and over time progressive revelation. And today it's plain
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  Speaker 3: enough in the New Testament that the content of saving
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  Speaker 3: faith is that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, died
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  Speaker 3: and rose again to pay our personal penalty for sin.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. You can state the gospel in ten words
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  Speaker 3: or less. Christ died for our sins and rose from
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  Speaker 3: the dead. That's the gospel.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Prior to the Church Age, people understood that salvation was
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  Speaker 3: only found in God. Take Abraham for example, but he
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  Speaker 3: didn't understand the all the details. He didn't understand necessarily
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  Speaker 3: read why we hadn't been written, Ye hadn't written for
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  Speaker 3: twelve hundred years. So yeah, I mean, I think people
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  Speaker 3: need to just be logical the progress of revelation. You
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  Speaker 3: can only believe what's been revealed, right, And so I
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  Speaker 3: think Abraham understood the substitutionary atonement aspect, certainly because God
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  Speaker 3: prefigured that through his experience with Isaac. But ultimately Abraham
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  Speaker 3: trusted in God as the only one who could solve
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  Speaker 3: his sin problem that he couldn't do anying himself, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so I think the everlasting gospel there in Revelation fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: Let's save that oh for the next one.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but let's go.
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  Speaker 2: But you bring up something is well. Clearly, when they
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  Speaker 2: sacrificed any Old Testament, that was a work for salvation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that why else do you sacrifice?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, it was It was not a work for salvation.
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  Speaker 3: It was a again, a shadow, as the writer Hebrews
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  Speaker 3: tells us of the ultimate heavenly reality. And so it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't by going through the motions of those sacrifices and
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  Speaker 3: feasts and festivals and all that that an individual jew
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  Speaker 3: was saved. He was saved the same way Abraham, the
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  Speaker 3: father of the Jewish nation, was saved, and that is
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  Speaker 3: by faith. But it prefigured that. And so in the
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  Speaker 3: same way that Abraham and Isaac's experience prefigured it. We
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  Speaker 3: see lots of examples in the Old Testament demonstrating to
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  Speaker 3: the people of God that God is the one who
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  Speaker 3: has to provide salvation.
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  Speaker 2: So let's say, you have you know Judah, Well on me,
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  Speaker 2: not Judah. Let's just pick any trying to pick a
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  Speaker 2: just a Judah, an unknown Judah living in the land
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  Speaker 2: of Israel during the time of Physkiah, and he says,
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  Speaker 2: I love animals, and I refuse to sacrifice. Could he
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  Speaker 2: be saved?
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  Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, he would be disobedient. He would be
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  Speaker 3: you know, not following God's law. I mean it goes
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  Speaker 3: back to the Ten Commandments. Could a person be saved
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  Speaker 3: who didn't keep the ten Commandments?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean David committed murder and he was a believer.
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  Speaker 3: He was a man after God's own heart. So again,
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  Speaker 3: our position before a holy God of being declared righteous,
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  Speaker 3: that idea of imputation and having the righteousness of God
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  Speaker 3: in Christ imputed to us. And by the way, Christ
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  Speaker 3: died for the sins of all humanity, past, present, and future.
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  Speaker 3: It happened in our timetable at a moment in time
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  Speaker 3: two thousand years ago in thirty three AD, I believe,
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  Speaker 3: But from God's perspective, it was in the eternal now, right,
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  Speaker 3: So it was still the blood of Jesus that paid
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  Speaker 3: for abraham sins and david sins. But you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have to keep the law to get into heaven.
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  Speaker 3: You keep the law because that's God's divine design.
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  Speaker 2: So another thing I'll throw at you is in the
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  Speaker 2: sense of understanding the difference between maybe personal salvation versus
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  Speaker 2: a theocratic salvation. What I mean by that is okay,
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  Speaker 2: here you have this person refuses to do a sacrifice.
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  Speaker 2: God says, cut him off. So he might be personally saved,
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  Speaker 2: but he might be killed and kicked out of the
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  Speaker 2: national community because by the leader.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and go to the New Testament. First John tells
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  Speaker 3: us there are a sin that leads to death. See,
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  Speaker 3: sin is an equal opportunity killer. It doesn't care whether
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  Speaker 3: you're a believer or not. If you fool around with sin,
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  Speaker 3: you're likely to die. Proverbs has repeated admonitions that you know,
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  Speaker 3: the way of the fool leads to shortened life, and
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  Speaker 3: the way of the righteous leads to a prolonged life.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a general principle. Sometimes godly saints die
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  Speaker 3: young and through no fault of their own sinful behavior.
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  Speaker 3: They just we live in a fallen world. But sometimes dirty,
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  Speaker 3: rotten sinners live to a ripe old age too. But
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't change the principle that sin leads to death.
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  Speaker 3: James says, sin when it's full grown, brings forth death.
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  Speaker 3: So absolutely, you know, we see lots of examples. The
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  Speaker 3: perfect example from the Old Testament is the children of
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  Speaker 3: visual in the wilderness.
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  Speaker 2: I was just gonna rering Hebrews.
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  Speaker 3: Are we to believe that everybody but Joshua and Caleb
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  Speaker 3: is in hell today?
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  Speaker 2: We're spiritually we're not spiritually say, of course, not the
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  Speaker 2: physical physical death as a punishment.
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  Speaker 3: Because of their you know, lack of faith and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't inherit the promises. But they're certainly not all
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  Speaker 3: of them if they believed they were in heaven. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe for a second that the you know,
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  Speaker 3: millions of Jews, counting men, women and children in the wilderness,
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  Speaker 3: all personally believed. Some of them might not have been.
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  Speaker 2: We don't just liked today. We can't say either way, right, but.
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  Speaker 3: We can say with absolute certainty that the one and
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  Speaker 3: only condition for eternal life in every age is faith.
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  Speaker 3: And if you haven't trusted in Christ, you need to
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  Speaker 3: trust Christ today. That's the only hope. It's not about
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  Speaker 3: whether or not you take the mark now after in retrospect,
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  Speaker 3: when after the tribulation, when we're all looking back on it,
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  Speaker 3: it will be clear that only those who were believers,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that no believer took the mark and only
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  Speaker 3: those that were unbelievers did. That's clear. Again, it's descriptive,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not giving some kind of a new prescript, prescription,
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  Speaker 3: go back and read it again. I'm speaking to those
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  Speaker 3: who think about that, who under that. It doesn't say
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  Speaker 3: if you take the mark of the beast, you will
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  Speaker 3: go to hell. It says those who do go to hell.
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  Speaker 2: In Revelation thirteen eight about those written in the Lamb's
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  Speaker 2: Book of Life will not worship the beasts, which includes
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  Speaker 2: taking the mar because they're connected. How does that? How
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  Speaker 2: does that play in?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? So again it's it's a you know, descriptive. I
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  Speaker 3: believe that at the moment faith meets the gospel, the
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  Speaker 3: moment of conversion, which happens at a punctilier moment in time,
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  Speaker 3: right one minute, you're dead and your trespasses and sins
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  Speaker 3: you hear and believe the gospel and instantly justify. You're justified.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's when your name is written Lambs
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  Speaker 3: Book of Life in my view, And I know there's
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  Speaker 3: all kinds of crazy views out there about it, but
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  Speaker 3: so I think, you know, Lewis Berry Chaffer lists thirty
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  Speaker 3: three things that happened the moment faith meets the gospel,
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  Speaker 3: you know, reconcilaciliation with God, you know, regeneration instantly, which
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  Speaker 3: clearly I believe faith precedes regeneration. Faith is the instrumental
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  Speaker 3: cause of regeneration, not the involuntary response to regeneration the
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  Speaker 3: way Calvinist believe. But anyway, justification, redemption, atonement, names, written, lambs,
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  Speaker 3: book of life, adopted into the Family of God. All
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  Speaker 3: of these things I permitent in dwelling the Holy Spirit,
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  Speaker 3: sealed with the Holy Spirit. All of those things happen
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  Speaker 3: at the moment you become a child of God. And
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  Speaker 3: then Revelation is telling us for those who get saved
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  Speaker 3: after the rapture, which there will be, as Chapter seven
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  Speaker 3: tells us people from every nation, tribe, tongue, and language
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  Speaker 3: that do for those people, they won't take the mark.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're you know, first of all, if you're
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  Speaker 3: worried about this issue, that's.
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  Speaker 2: A good time you need to get saved.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good because you won't be worried about it
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  Speaker 3: if you're saved, because you won't be here.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that's true too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So if you're thinking and worried about this issue,
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  Speaker 3: it tells me you have doubts about your salvation. Because
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  Speaker 3: if you're a believer today it's a non issue for you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Amen.
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