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The Sanctuary for Healing & Liberation Founder Ash St. Gelais · Vermont Talks

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  What's New 802? I'm Becca Hammond and you're listening to Vermont Talks.
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  Vermont Talks may include graphic or explicit content. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to the 65th interview of Vermont Talks.
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  Today is the 6th of April in 2026. It's a Monday and I'm here today with Ash St.
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  Gelais, founder of the Sanctuary for Healing and Liberation. The Sanctuary for Healing and Liberation is a spiritual home where lightworkers and community members unite to connect, heal, and liberate in Burlington, Vermont. Together we are fostering deep transformation and authentic belonging. The sanctuary is located in the Chase Mill on the Burlington side of the Winooski River and it's incredibly beautiful and I'm very excited to be sitting in the sanctuary with you in this very healing, soothing space with such beautiful plants. So welcome Ash, thanks for coming on the show. Thank you so much, it's a delight to be here.
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  I'm amazed at how beautiful the plants are but let's talk first before we discuss the scenery and the beauty of the building. What the space is because people when they read the name the sanctuary for healing and liberation, what do you want them to immediately think of besides the calming nature of this space?
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  Absolutely, yeah this is a space for a community connection and healing.
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  Really my goal with the sanctuary is to support holistic healers and change makers in the community so that together we can provide greater healing and liberation to our community and beyond. So the premise of creating such sacred spaces in these three separate rooms that we offer is really with the intention of empowering the holistic healers, providing sacred spaces that they can just step into and offer their services to the world in a way where it's affordable, it's easily accessible and ultimately helps to reduce the barriers for people to be of service in the world which I think is really important right now. Yes, yes definitely and there's, okay there are many aspects to healing. There is a massage table, there's a healing room so if who are you hoping like someone who is a practitioner of what specifics are you hoping that they're going to reach out to you? I'm guessing massage therapy, maybe sound bath therapy. Right that's a really great question. What I truly believe is that there are many many paths to healing and liberation. There is no one, I'm doing air quotes, correct form or path to take and so we really welcome all modalities that are based in helping other people along their path, whatever that looks like. So we you know we do have massage tables in every one of our rooms so massage therapists are welcome, Reiki practitioners, sound healers, we have some sex educators who offer services through here, folks who offer circles, singing, dancing, you know all of the incredible expressions that we get to share as humans are all welcome here in these spaces. This is really unique, that's it, it's hard to find a space like this so wow okay I applaud you and it doesn't so okay I have six questions, sorry I'm thinking too quickly. How many people are currently coming here and hosting events or or practicing? Yeah that's a great question so we have two different models that folks can access our spaces by. One is by the hourly rental and we also offer a membership so currently we have 11 members here in our in our collective and outside of that we also have yeah probably a couple dozen folks who have just dropped in to rent the spaces by the hour for a one-day workshop or other offering. The space is huge, one of your rooms, which room? I know you said you started in that room, what do you refer to the largest room as again?
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  That's the studio. Beautiful space, I want to reiterate I know I started with that but just the chase mill I have never been in here it is incredibly community oriented, there's a lot going on in this building, it's historical, it's artsy, it feels like Burlington. I sure does. It really does in a very and not in a pretentious way I'm kind of amazed at this because so many of the spaces in Burlington have kind of been taken over where a lot of people feel they just they can't get in there is kind of the attitude I just I would love to be in that space but I I just can't make it there this feels very inclusive and wonderful though so the studio is how many square feet because you can definitely have big classes in there. Yeah it's about 650 square feet in there and that space in particular is really equipped for you know larger gatherings we have 22 seats in there we have 10 yoga mats and all you know bolsters and blankets and yoga blocks seating areas it's really yeah we've put a lot of time and energy and love into trying to make these spaces really special and usable.
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  Yeah that's it I could see a yoga you know just a yoga class in that space and then being very inclusive which is so nice and the healing room which is a very that room looks cozy that room looks like some where someone could just sit down and kind of talk and just it's a safe space this whole space feels very safe which is very nice it feels like you don't want to talk too loud in here which I can get a little loud being on a podcast I am one of those people but it it does it feels like a healing space so I think you've definitely accomplished that goal and what so the the studio that makes sense for larger classes the healing room I'm guessing is for smaller like one-on-one sessions maybe a few people totally. Ed what how about this room what is this room called? This is called the lounge and this is my favorite of all the three spaces and yeah this room can host up to eight to ten people you know both the lounge and the healing room they both have a desk for folks to work at if needed um yeah and the lounge is the only space that has a tea kettle and six tea cups and tea for people to use in a microwave just in case anybody might need to zap something in there for lunch. Yes which is totally fair though I just saw there's a pingala in this building. Oh my gosh yes this building this building is really unique and it has a really wonderful vibe and when I was initially when I initially had this concept I had my hopes on taking over the studio space and for a quick minute it looked like it wasn't going to happen and so I started exploring other places in Burlington where maybe I could create the vision and I looked at a bunch of commercial spaces and this it was so clear that this is the building that this is meant to happen in. Yes. What's really special about it there are so many things but like you mentioned there are so many incredible practitioners in this building inside the sanctuary of course and outside the sanctuary there's just so much cool amazing stuff that's happening and I'd really love to try and find a way to help build more community around here so that we can actually know what's happening behind all the other doors in this in this space and support each other but we're right on the Onuski River we've got ample parking we're not downtown so you don't have to fight traffic or try and find street parking this building is handicap accessible it's got pingala downstairs so if somebody's hosting a retreat up here and you know they don't want to provide lunch the participants can just go to right downstairs and there's also laughing river yoga downstairs as well so yeah really wonderful anchor businesses in this building. Yes it's extremely nice when fun there's a parking lot. Yes. I hate to admit how often that's immediately my go-to like where do you want to go tonight somewhere with a parking lot. I don't blame you. I'm not good at perloparking I feel like that's a very Vermont thing like we're just I'm not good at it I try if I can pull in it's fine but a lot of spaces in Burlington it's that's it I end up walking many blocks.
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  Right. It's so nice if you can come do what you need to do grab a snack not go out because I've I just imagine this space the windows here are huge one point that out because everyone can't see yeah I'm gonna post the pictures that I took so please check out the show notes. Happiest plants these plants are huge the the plant that is above your head ash has two-foot leaves. It really does doesn't it. It easily two feet I think yeah just happy plants with so much natural light where I could see this being so cozy when it's snowing out just looking out at the windows you were like I don't have to go outside right yes I'm gonna go to Cangola and then I continue to hang out here it's so cool okay so is there a fit I know you have a website where people can reach out to you because now I'm just imagining the different practitioners the people thinking oh I wonder if I fit in this space what's the best way for them to reach out to you and have that conversation like is there any sort of barrier to entry is a do you meet and greet what is that like when someone reaches out to you and says hey can I be a part of this sure that's a great question yeah so folks can reach out to me on through the website we have a contact form and we also have a whole page that kind of lays out the rental options it's on the website as well called space rentals the tab up at the top and it has all the different models for the membership and and the by the hour rentals the membership is not only including use of the spaces on a credit basis but it also includes business marketing all of our members are on our website as well and we also are now offering monthly co-working and monthly business coaching and we're building an incredible community of practitioners so really the goal is to to support the holistic healers in spreading their work in terms of what happens when somebody reaches out I'm happy to answer any questions that folks have we can schedule a time to chat on the phone we can schedule a three space tour so that folks can get a sense of the space and I'm you know I'll be happy to share all the details about the pricing and and yeah go from there and my goal is really just to make sure that it's a it's a good fit all the way around and that our practitioners can be supported in starting their practice or growing their practice and that we can really partner with them along the entire journey of their growth yeah there's some it's so interesting when you talk about the sort of practitioners that there's so many unique aspects of Vermont where I've met I've met a lot of reiki people I don't know how to refer to these people practitioners reiki practitioners I've met people who do breathwork coaching yes yoga is obviously I feel like yoga we all know yoga we think of yoga we think of massage therapy but there's so much more to especially group sessions like I'm not even sure besides like a yoga class what a group session might be just out of curiosity are there are the practitioners outside of yoga doing group sessions yes I've offered some group offerings here and they were a mixture of group energy work and breathwork and we've had sound healing journeys we've had other folks come in and do breathwork journeys as well circles monthly we are also offering a holistic healer circle which is absolutely free so we're hosting those in the in the studio we've also had an artist host a mask making workshop like yeah really the sky is the limit we've had folks who have used the studio for their dance practice for performances yeah we're really really wide open and excited about the magic that we can all create and share together yeah that's cool I didn't I didn't even think of that the dance might be an option here but it certainly could be that space is big enough and and perfectly square I love to yeah we seem to live in a world full of oddly shaped rooms and things but everything is like perfect for a yoga studio perfect for dancing and in the studio space yeah that's amazing okay so thinking of not only because you're talking about building community in this space this is oh hold on one second I wanted to call out your website we were talking about your website it's uh www.thesanctuaryvermont .com so if you're looking for that that top bar if you want to reach out about using this space or if you want to come and enjoy if you're not a practitioner yes is there a newsletter or anything like that yes thank you yes folks can join the newsletter also on the website and we also have an events page on the website so all of the group offerings that are happening here are listed on the events page and if folks are looking maybe they're not necessarily a holistic healer or maybe they are a holistic healer and they're looking for support of along their own healing journey we also have a practitioner page on the website and that's under the tab called heal cool very cool because let's say I feel like there's a lot of everyone's curious about community it's a it's a funny time we're living in I feel like there was a long period where social media everyone got very isolated especially the pandemic like that just kind of exacerbated a problem I think was already starting to happen where we were also isolated and people in Fermat are truly looking they're looking to come meet each other they're looking to come to events they're looking to find out the cool things that their neighbors are doing so this kind of space is like extra special for that because it's not it's not just one practitioner it's just just one person and you're open to bringing more people in so that's a really thank you thank you from the community that's a really cool thing and and bringing the whole the fact that the building itself has all of these other people involved in it is there a something like a bulletin board in the chase mail where everyone can kind of share with each other yeah there's a bulletin board right outside Pingala and also a bulletin board on the third floor yeah and I I just wanted to say I'm glad that you're you're as excited as I am about the community aspect because I feel like like you mentioned there it are still lingering impacts from the pandemic where we were all really forced to stay away from each other and yeah with everything that's happening in the world it feels like community and slowing down and really attuning to ourselves and what our individual needs are and really trying to nourish and honor those needs and desires as much as possible not only for ourselves and our own well-being but also so that we can show up as our best selves in the world as well and you know share our light and magic in that way and we kind of keep on getting the social media addiction and just the tech addiction that I'm an adult I can't imagine being a teenager right now in this world the way this is evolving like this is such a separation from that though like this the space itself feels like I don't want to look at my cell phone and I think I mentioned that I write software for a living so I cannot disconnect I live in this very stressful bubble at times where I go home from work and I'm checking my emails from work and I'm getting slack messages during doctor's appointments those kind of moments where it's like I can't ever I can't ever seem to just chill out and breathe and not think about it but the space immediately made me feel like yay yay that really matters all that much in this space which is a very like I I feel like I'm crying a little bit because honestly like that is such a huge thing for someone like me who doesn't disconnect to just oh I really don't need to look at my phone I don't need to look at my phone I don't need to check my email it doesn't matter yes that's a very wonderful thing and like that's not something tangible that you can walk in and feel disconnected from technology like that's a hard thing to explain to people but I will say I immediately walked in here and I probably was a little strange like oh oh like I just kind of breathed and like put my stuff down and I'm like wow all of that stress that I've been carrying around it's just it just felt like it was like wow I can just kind of let it go in this moment which is really special like I don't know what it is if it's the space itself or if it's you or what you've built here but clearly this space feels very healic so yay my heart is so happy hearing this no I really if you're feeling like you can't disconnect and you need to come for a yoga retreat or just breath work sounds very nice in this space I bet that's so relaxing so yes good job I just wanted to throw that little interjection in because it's a hard thing to put your finger on and I'm so glad we did this here so I can really experience this space so yes please if you're feeling stressed out this might be the place to come come and experience a different type of healing magic yes please come cool so What's on the horizon? What are your plans for the space besides bringing more practitioners in, more community members? Is there anything, are there any events on the horizon? Is there anything big coming up that you want to talk about? That's a great question. So at some point later in this year, we'll have our grand opening. So that'll be really fun. And yeah, over the next few months, I'm really excited to just continue building the community of our practitioners. And really, I'm super excited to see how folks might collaborate with each other and co-host retreats or other offerings in the space. And I am a bit of a dreamer, and I like to dream big. And so I have had another space that I'd like to add to our spaces that would be an extra 4,000 square feet. It is also in this building and just up the hall. And it would allow practitioners to have their own treatment rooms that are overlooking the river. And with that extra space, folks wouldn't necessarily have to share it or rent it by the hour. It could be theirs all the time. And so I'm just really excited about the potential of expanding over there. And we'd also have access to a kitchenette, and we'd have our own bathroom, and we'd have an even larger studio so we could offer even larger offerings. And that space would be an addition to these spaces. So if there are folks who are listening to this podcast and are feeling excited or inspired in any way, I would love to hear from them because the more members that we have and the more folks who are interested in renting their individual room in the new space, the new potential space, the sooner we can expand into there and just continue to expand our impact and grow our community and do wonderful things together. Yeah, that would be really cool because that just gives you that much more flexibility and growth in this space because even if you have your own individual room, that doesn't mean you can't put on a community group event. Exactly. And personally, my sister is a massage therapist, and this has been a massive struggle for her where she's done her own solo practice and at my company, I love my company, and the amount of people who directly went to her and bought gift cards when she did a promotion, and then they all came to me, like, oh my God, your sister. Your sister's so good at this, but she struggled so hard in finding a unique individual sort of space where she ends up working at the resorts because that's easier. Right. But it's not really what she wants. It's funny coming in here and being like, oh, this feels like what my sister tried to do with her little teeny spaces, but they were always in just that two or three in Burlington, and they were always in office spaces that were not ideal for what she was doing and just didn't...
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  They didn't really take care of the space. She'd take care of her small space, but then you'd have to walk out into a very corporate or just an odd kind of feeling space. This is perfect if you're a massage therapist or someone like my sister who just, oh, I just want to do my own thing. So if you had individual rooms, I could see that big, even bigger draw for all of these people who I know are looking. They're looking at little spaces. They're looking at office spaces. They're trying to find something that fits.
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  Right. That doesn't fit. And the vibes really matter. And yeah, when you can do it in community, I think that's really valuable too. And what I really love about the membership is that I think that there's really a gap in...
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  There's a gap for holistic healers when they're just wanting to start out and they don't necessarily have a full time or they don't have enough clients to rent a space by themselves. Maybe they don't have a space to serve clients at their home. Maybe they've taken like five courses and they're like, I can't wait to serve people, but where do I serve them? And so, yeah, the membership starts at just six credits per month. And so, if there are folks who are really wanting to step further onto their path of service, this is a really affordable and sustainable way to get started and to start growing your clientele. And then over time, in our current model, you can just increase the tier that you're at. And then have access to all three spaces based on what people are looking to do and who they're looking to serve and which space might best fit their offering. And you have perfect little spaces for this. This is so interesting to me. I love this idea because that's exactly what you just said is something my sister has expressed more and more times.
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  Because she would share a space with someone who's just starting out. She would often do that because they had a few massages a week and she had a more established clientele, but they kind of had to learn to be copacetic, but also in a very odd space. In an odd space that was hard to coordinate things and not flexible and not the vibe, not the right vibe. And getting into something, like I think of Reiki.
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  Reiki's the one I know slight amounts.
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  Yoga, I know quite a bit, but yoga is very established. I feel like people know what yoga is. When you say, I teach yoga classes, everyone immediately knows what you mean. When you say that you teach breath work, I feel like a lot of people are kind of like, okay, but what does that mean? Like that kind of like unsure. So I can imagine coming into that, as a new practitioner is probably, you're probably explaining that question over and over again as a new practitioner and coming up with a space to do something like that is massive because going to people's homes, there's a true art to that and so much respect for people who are willing to do that, but there's also like a lot of barriers to that.
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  There's a lot of hesitations, sometimes very odd things happen. You never know what you're going to walk into. This space kind of alleviates that whole question, like how do I even meet people? Where do I go? Do I go to a coffee shop? How do I start this? Well, this may be the perfect spot to start that and maybe you're doing something totally unique that we haven't even mentioned today. Absolutely.
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  There's so many interesting aspects to healing. Can we talk about that for a minute? Sure. In kind of an abstract way of, yes, I know we touched on a handful of points, but did we not discuss anything in particular? I'm just trying to think of all the aspects of healing. Is there someone who's listening, who's like, do I belong here? Who just haven't called out their exact niche yet? That's a good question. When I think about healing, I like to think about kind of the different aspects of being human. We have our physical self, we have our emotional self, our spiritual self, our energetic self. There are all these different aspects to being human. Yeah, many different types of modalities to address the different pieces of being human. So many forms of expression too. It's really interesting when you say that you've had artists in this space. I wasn't really expecting you to say that because that's a huge community in Burlington and a community that kind of overlaps because there's a lot of healing that comes from art. Is it mostly that sort of approach with the artwork? Is like a community art project? Like we're going to do something together in a sort of holistic way? It's almost like art therapy, right? Yeah, that's a great question. Or are people using the space purely for making their own art?
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  Great question. Yeah, so there have been two workshops focused kind of around creating art and folks are working on their own individual art pieces. So one was a collage hosted by one of our members, Terry Severance, a sole collage workshop. And so everybody was creating their own collage. And another one was the mask making workshop. And so it's just, it's exciting to think about how self expression and especially when you're, I think, you know, all self expression can be powerful. And I also have found self expression to be healing when you're like making a mask to embody maybe a certain part of yourself that's been hidden. Or, you know, you're making a collage about your future or about something you've experienced. So kind of bringing some more specific intentions into the art making process. And that guided artwork is so interesting what comes out of that because it's what you just said I never, I never even thought of that. Those are great ideas. Like that's really creative and inspiring. I love making art. I often walk into it where I'm just slapping stuff because I, it just feels good. It feels good to slap stuff, but I lose that tension. Like, why, what are we doing together? Like, why am I doing this? Like, it feels good, but like, is there some point to this? Am I trying to express something specific or am I just letting it out? Yeah. And I think both of those are super valuable.
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  That's really interesting. Oh, this space is so cool. I'm, I'm excited to see how this evolves over time. And I'm excited to see who, who gets involved in your community. Because you already said there's 11 people, 11 people directly members who are regularly coming here. Yes. So I'm excited too. I get so excited every time somebody reaches out. It's, yeah, it's really wonderful. Very cool. So other thoughts. I have so many thoughts and just ideas and things that are kind of artsy and abstract right now. Because I'm imagining many possibilities for you in this space and just the community in general.
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  Community events are really interesting in artistic healing.
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  Like, I love all of this. Is there any sort of, are there barriers to this space? Are children welcome? Or like, is anything ever like, oh, we're, we're having an event for women or anything like that ever? Or is it just kind of open to whoever wants to come?
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  That's a great, that's a really great question. So we don't, we don't have any like written restrictions on our spaces or our events. Some of our practitioners, you know, might curate specific events with a specific target audience that they're looking to serve. Yeah, in terms of our practitioners, like requirements for practitioners, folks do need to have their own insurance just for liability. But I can easily connect them with a really inexpensive insurance policy that would, would cover them for that.
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  Interesting. Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Because if you're bringing people in making art or collages or something, that makes sense. Yeah. Hey, people slip on paint. These things happen. I love the idea of the community coming together and some of these things where like, I love when kids get involved in this stuff. And I've talked about kids and music, like a dozen of these interviews in the past, but kids and R and kids and yoga and like that, that youth oriented sort of thing is always really interesting to me. So I would love to see some like cross generational groups coming in here and just doing something together. And that's what's fun is it doesn't really matter what they're doing together, as long as they're kind of experiencing it together as a community. And there's something really magical to be said about those spaces that can, that can really bridge those generational gaps and bring young people into spaces with older people and just open those doors. I feel like something in our school structure seems to like limit children's thinking that they're like the old people. But community spaces are the exact thing that pushes back against that where they all come in and have dinner together or whatever and the elderly people are talking to the kids about how it used to be. That sort of odd community centric vibe that really just heals. Like it feels so good when you see that happening. I've such a good space for that sort of like, oh, we're going to bridge those gaps. So many ideas.
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  That's it. I keep thinking of different like, because art and therapy and things like breath work and art, art can go with almost any type of healing. So true. I feel like any healing practice. I love that when you said that collaboration between the different practitioners. I think my mind's just been running away with that idea. As any of the practitioners really kind of, oh, what you're doing is really interesting. I wonder if what I do can fit in some way for a single event. Yeah, it's been really, really fun to watch. People bring the different modalities together and having co-hosting events together.
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  Do you guys meet up together like in person at any point or is it more like email, email based? How do the practitioners get to talk to each other and kind of have those ideas?
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  Yeah, that's a great question. So we're hosting monthly holistic healer groups and like tomorrow we'll be here for business coaching and we have our co-working and yeah, I'm just excited about even just setting like a member lunch like a couple times a month. Whoever wants to eat lunch with me at Pingala, just yeah, not only support each other in business, but also walk alongside each other as we are working in fields where it can be kind of alienating. If you're not working out of a community space and you're working with clients one-on-one, you don't necessarily have co-workers like you might if you're going to work every day. And the space that holistic healers hold is a really incredible and beautiful space that we hold for other people and doing that alone can be challenging.
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  Yes, extremely, especially when you talk about healing and being a practitioner of healing, that can be incredibly heavy. That can be really heavy, especially like one-on-one clients and not to say that group sessions can't also be, but I feel like you can kind of lean on the group in a way, but one-on-one sessions can be so hard because so many people have had such horrendous things happen to them and when they feel safe and they feel like this is a healing space, they're willing to express that, but that also means that you get to hear it and then you also just get that horrible empathy. It's a wonderful thing, but it's also so horrible. If you're like, oh my goodness, my client has had this horrendous thing happen. Now, I'm feeling, oh certainly, I'm glad I could help them, but I'm also feeling heavy. I can see that being very hard and it's nice when you can talk to other people who also get to witness those things and how to let it go.
• 36:35
  Absolutely. And hopefully you're experts at that because having to absorb all of that healing energy can sometimes, I would imagine, be very exhausting. Yeah, it's quite a privilege to work with people in this way and it is important to also find ways that you can take care of yourself while you're doing it and have as good as you can energetic boundaries and then also have community who understands and can really support you. Have dinner with you and just, yeah, let's get back to why we're doing this sort of a moment where you can let that kind of thing go. I've always amazed when people are willing and able to help their neighbors in whatever way they can, right? Because I love that there's no boundaries. It makes it hard for me to pinpoint certain things, but there's no boundaries. However, you're helping your neighbors. It sounds like you would be happy to talk to them.
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  Awesome. Is there anything else that we should touch base on besides just your website and I don't know if you want to share the phone number publicly or not? Sure. Okay, so again, the website is www.thesanctuaryvermont .com, which will be linked on the show notes page along with the phone number, which is 802-318-7654. And once again, we're located in the Chase Mill on the second floor in Suite 200 and 208. 208 is the studio and 200 has the healing room and the lounge. Thank you. The show notes for today are going to be at VermontTalks.com forward slash 65. And Ash, thank you so much for talking to me about this. Is there any last parting words or thoughts or anything I missed? Becca, I just wanted to say thank you so much for coming and hanging out with me here.
• 38:48
  And I hope that our paths cross again soon. And yeah, I just welcome anybody to reach out who has any questions or if there's any way that I can support you as a practitioner, just be in touch.
• 38:58
  Everyone should come check out the space. Come check it out. Come check this. Tours are really fun. I'll give you a whole building tour. It's a beautiful space. Come see the massive plants. I am trying to not gush about the plants, but come see the plants.
• 39:16
  Yeah, check out the show notes. Check out the website. Thesanctuary Vermont for healing and liberation.
• 39:19
  Thank you so much, Ash. And thank you all for listening to the show. And have a great day, everybody. Thanks so much for listening to the end of the show.
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