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Why the Game Is Breaking Players. · The Shed with Corey Oates, Sam Thaiday and Kip

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  Speaker 1: Approache production, approache production.
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  Speaker 2: H m hm, you be little do then we'll go
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  Speaker 2: riding on the horses.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, way.
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  Speaker 4: Up and scale, little darling.
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  Speaker 5: And if you fall, I pick you, pick you.
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  Speaker 6: You started again.
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  Speaker 7: That was good every though, all right, bonus around here
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  Speaker 7: we are tending.
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  Speaker 3: The bin tend in the there's a few things picture, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a few teams that want to chuck at the bit.
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  Speaker 7: Now. I didn't get to see the Broncos game, but
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  Speaker 7: it didn't look good.
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  Speaker 4: No, it was gonna come. Yeah, they reckon.
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  Speaker 3: It looked really rusty, like you know, there was a
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  Speaker 3: few fought passes in there. There was a lot of
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  Speaker 3: drop all in the second half. We got what we deserved.
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  Speaker 7: I got that.
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  Speaker 1: I look at the changes you know they've I think
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  Speaker 1: they've done they have. I swear they've hit thirty players now.
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  Speaker 3: So I think with a lot we've got young coats.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's thirty, he's making his debut. He's our
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  Speaker 3: thirtieth player this year. So last year we won the
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  Speaker 3: Grand Final, we used twenty seven players. This year we've
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  Speaker 3: already used thirty.
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  Speaker 4: Before Origin twenty seven years you will come around. So
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  Speaker 4: it just shows.
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  Speaker 3: How like how deep we had to go into the list.
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  Speaker 3: It's been great. I think last year been Tolsi was
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  Speaker 3: our only debutante for the club. But this year I
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  Speaker 3: think we've had four or four five at least club debutants.
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  Speaker 1: But in my eyes that this was coming just beurely
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  Speaker 1: because the changes in combos as play made.
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  Speaker 4: There's way too many outside backs.
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  Speaker 1: There was three and three on the weekend, three changes,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, and yeah, it was going to come.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying, you know, that's the only reason they lost.
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  Speaker 1: They did play poorly in certain areas and patches and
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  Speaker 1: mainly are way too good at the moment to give
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  Speaker 1: them an inch, and they they took it and they
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  Speaker 1: played really well, not really well, but they played well enough.
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  Speaker 6: You'd say pretty comfortably. Man, are going to be in
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  Speaker 6: the eight.
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  Speaker 4: I've moved them up. I've moved them up top four
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  Speaker 4: or five.
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  Speaker 1: The way they're playing, yeah, it's it's the man not
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  Speaker 1: merely of older, but they're getting back close to the
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  Speaker 1: mainly of old.
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  Speaker 3: I saw Shawnee Johnson talk about Kieran Forn as a
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  Speaker 3: player and like rooming with him in the past and
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  Speaker 3: how inspirationally he was as a as a leader, and
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  Speaker 3: how he could just playing in your team get you
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  Speaker 3: up for the game for the occasion. How many times
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  Speaker 3: in New Zealand came in as underdogs against Australia and
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  Speaker 3: SHAWNE Johnson said that, you know every time Kieran was like,
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  Speaker 3: Kieran would fire him up before the game would even start.
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  Speaker 3: So I reckon that's what he's doing for the players
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  Speaker 3: here at the moment. He's kept things simple in the
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  Speaker 3: sense that he's on these are non negotiables. Is what
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  Speaker 3: we do out there in the field, and I want
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  Speaker 3: you to go out there and play footy for one another.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the way they're playing at the moment, and
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  Speaker 3: it's it's annotating to watch. The Bronx are just on
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  Speaker 3: the wrong side of it. And you know, you've really
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  Speaker 3: got to simplify your game when it comes to having
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  Speaker 3: so many players out and so many players in different positions,
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  Speaker 3: like we just need to go back to a real
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  Speaker 3: basic brand of footy and this guy out there and
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  Speaker 3: compete and we were just out there trying too hard
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  Speaker 3: and not in a bad way. But yeah, we got
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  Speaker 3: exactly what we deserve.
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  Speaker 6: I'm speaking of. Entertaining Egg was to see the Storm
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  Speaker 6: put on a ton of points. They unload.
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  Speaker 7: Its like once they started scoring, the pressure was off
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  Speaker 7: and that's nuts.
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  Speaker 1: That was insane. I thought they start was amazing. Tigers
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  Speaker 1: didn't help themselves ball. I think they had one completed
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  Speaker 1: set and Albourn might have had nine. Yeah, something ridiculous stat.
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  Speaker 1: And they scored in every second set in that first
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  Speaker 1: twenty odd minutes. And look I was I was stoked
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  Speaker 1: to see them scoring, unhappy and smiling.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Am I convinced that they're back? No, No, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to say they're back. No, but they're still a
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  Speaker 1: good team. They're still a good team. And that still
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  Speaker 1: showed that they've still got huge control things and ran
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  Speaker 1: the team around. Monster was dancing, having fun and balls
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  Speaker 1: and he looked they just thought that they were enjoying it.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like, well we all want to see
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  Speaker 1: just from that go up again.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think whoever done Cameron Monster's teeth are happy now, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: very smile and smile.
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  Speaker 4: They're getting a good show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, getting good yeah, yeah, all the TVs they're getting great,
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  Speaker 1: great coverage now teeth well, great job.
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  Speaker 4: A few others.
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  Speaker 7: It's good seen it like pre Origin as we lead
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  Speaker 7: up to Origin, as we get towards origins.
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  Speaker 6: Great seeing Monster starting to get a bit of form.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and not that he's been playing bad. You
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  Speaker 3: know this from for Monster, when you see him having fun,
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  Speaker 3: like he was saying, you know, he's doing the show
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  Speaker 3: and goes dancing around, stepping a few guys, putting the
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  Speaker 3: fend on, that's when you know he's playing his best footage.
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  Speaker 3: And it was almost as this again, I go back
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  Speaker 3: to the same thing as what the Broncos are going through,
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  Speaker 3: the one they're trying too hard and so yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: was so good to see them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I remember wanting to say, if chat sometimes
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  Speaker 1: the best thing that brings out your game, do it.
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  Speaker 4: Like you didn't shut up? But I never.
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  Speaker 7: Lose.
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  Speaker 1: That'd lose that fight every time. But he has a chatter.
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  Speaker 1: He gets under his skin with his words, and that's
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  Speaker 1: what he loves. He loves the reaction and I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen that all year from him.
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  Speaker 7: What would he be saying to an opposition player, like
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  Speaker 7: in a tackle or.
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  Speaker 1: Getting flogged by by a gimp or something like it
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  Speaker 1: looked like he hit your heart, Yeah, but it'd make
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  Speaker 1: you out to feel like you actually did get hit
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  Speaker 1: hard by by five eight like just ripping your rub
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  Speaker 1: your head in the ground, throw dirt in your face.
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  Speaker 3: I loved I love saying he's not as ruthless as
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  Speaker 3: Will Chambers world Chambers used to He used to do
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  Speaker 3: research on your family. He used to go deep down
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  Speaker 3: on any of your ship and it was all the time.
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely love that.
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  Speaker 3: But on the flip side of the West Tigers, I
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  Speaker 3: think I think Adam Dewey is the biggest out for it.
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  Speaker 3: Like he brings so much energy and like when I
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  Speaker 3: think of West Tigers and like over the last few seasons,
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  Speaker 3: he is the West Tigers. So I think, yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: having him out, they really really struggled. So we'll see
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  Speaker 3: what they're going to do.
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  Speaker 1: The big man May he was ruled out late and
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  Speaker 1: he was having a baby, yeah, which I think again,
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  Speaker 1: there is that leader I think of the control of
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  Speaker 1: the team.
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  Speaker 4: He's their platform. So he's there.
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  Speaker 1: He starts, he's enforcer. Yeah, he starts. He leads it
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  Speaker 1: from first kickoff, first hit or first carry.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he leads it. And that's why I think
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  Speaker 4: they missed too.
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  Speaker 1: And it was the idea of Tigers, wasn't there On
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  Speaker 1: the weekend.
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  Speaker 7: That was a forty four to sixteen, So another sixty
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  Speaker 7: point game. The other sixty point game was Cowboys. Actually
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  Speaker 7: that was sixty three. The Eels ended up with a
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  Speaker 7: field goal and then appenently after the field goal.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was weird.
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  Speaker 3: It's a weird rule.
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  Speaker 4: But they still one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they still one. But I don't understand the rule.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a rule.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's human.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's probably there's a few moments there, especially
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  Speaker 3: towards the end, where there was a great opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: the Cowboys to iy came and they where they kept
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  Speaker 3: on letting the Eels back into the game. And that's
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  Speaker 3: that's what worried me about this game at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, was it was such a big milestone
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  Speaker 3: game for Jason Tomlilo, which sometimes can be a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a distraction. But they also didn't show up
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  Speaker 3: for him in the sense that they should have iced
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  Speaker 3: this game. That they're winning the games they shouldn't win
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  Speaker 3: at the moment and not winning the ones they should
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  Speaker 3: My question is how many are they going to win?
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  Speaker 4: Now? Tommy's out for twelve weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, so he's gone in for a cindersmosis
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  Speaker 3: in the twelve weeks.
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  Speaker 4: The two bones.
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  Speaker 3: But you got the two bones either side of ankle,
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  Speaker 3: and then there's a ligament in between. And when you
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  Speaker 3: tear that ligament, they have to they screw through and
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  Speaker 3: they put a lasso in there and the bone together,
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  Speaker 3: pull the bones.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I can't. Are they going to win now? Like?
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  Speaker 4: And doesn't who you come up against? Jesus that kid
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  Speaker 4: was their team. Yeah, they'll have a.
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  Speaker 3: Who I'm saying like, you've got Jake Clifford at the moment,
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  Speaker 3: who's been playing for.
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  Speaker 4: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: I think off the back of this is I think
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  Speaker 3: he's going to go into Origin, so they're going to
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  Speaker 3: look at another half.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not good.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so didn't did obviously out?
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  Speaker 7: Then we'll talk because I'll get both of your Origin
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  Speaker 7: picks on the podcast tomorrow. But that's another huge scoring game,
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  Speaker 7: and there was a couple of eighty point games last weekend.
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  Speaker 6: What do you think about that? That's obviously to do
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  Speaker 6: with the six again.
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  Speaker 1: Rule, right, Yeah, Well, Mike, my big question from this round,
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  Speaker 1: well not from this round, but from the start of
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  Speaker 1: this season. So the fatigue factor, right, how much it's
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  Speaker 1: putting on the players, you know, more pressure no, but no,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not just that. So I look at the
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  Speaker 1: fatigue on the players, yes, decision making, yes, but on
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  Speaker 1: the body, I believe it's resilding a.
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  Speaker 4: More head knocks and more injuries.
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  Speaker 1: Do you reckon the game where they believe is getting
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  Speaker 1: more exciting, has actually became more dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: Yea. I even just look at the Broncos. How many
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  Speaker 3: how many knee injuries have we had at the Broncos
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  Speaker 3: this year? So knee injuries come from you know, a
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  Speaker 3: couple of them have come from tired defenses. So that's
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  Speaker 3: when you start getting your hip drops and those types
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  Speaker 3: of tackles come through. And then a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: time too, from an attacking point of you, you're not
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  Speaker 3: putting yourself in a strong enough position to brace up,
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  Speaker 3: brace for the hit hitting the ground to make sure
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  Speaker 3: you can get up and quick play the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Saying fatigue also puts fatigue in your muscles.
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  Speaker 4: In attendance, yeah, they get fatigued.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then.
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  Speaker 4: That creates more chance.
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  Speaker 1: The percentage goes up, high percentage chance of you actually
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  Speaker 1: tearing one of those I don't think they really thought
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  Speaker 1: about your tackle technique.
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  Speaker 3: Then techniques, then you're standing more tall in the tackle,
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  Speaker 3: then you can get more head on head contact. You're
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  Speaker 3: then reaching more in defense as well, so then that's
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  Speaker 3: when you start putting your shoulder in, your shoulders your pets.
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  Speaker 4: Into vulnerable positions.
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  Speaker 3: So, like, I don't think you're wrong in saying that
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  Speaker 3: the six again rule has really brought fatigue into the game,
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  Speaker 3: which is then seeing more expansive attack and some really
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  Speaker 3: great footage to watch. But the risk and reward is
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  Speaker 3: the risk side is we're seeing more players being injured.
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  Speaker 3: And from a Broncos point of view, I like to
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  Speaker 3: say some of our best players.
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  Speaker 4: Are the ones that are they're getting injured.
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  Speaker 3: And so if we want to see our best players
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  Speaker 3: out in the field for longer periods of time, we
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  Speaker 3: want these guys to have one hundred, two hundred, three
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  Speaker 3: hundred game careers. They're not going to get there if
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  Speaker 3: the game continues the way it's going to. And you
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  Speaker 3: can almost say goodbye to the big man as well,
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  Speaker 3: because it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been my face. Last year, I actually had
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  Speaker 1: this kind of say. I can't remember who it was from,
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  Speaker 1: but we.
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  Speaker 4: Was worried about this. Last year. I started seeing more
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  Speaker 4: and more.
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  Speaker 1: Head knocks and and and injuries like your knees, your leaguements,
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  Speaker 1: your hemmy's like and I think this year has proven
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  Speaker 1: that like it is too it is too much, it's
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  Speaker 1: way too there's way too much fatigue.
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  Speaker 4: Like you put more.
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  Speaker 1: Speed in the game, and we've got less interchange than
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  Speaker 1: we had six years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, And then and then they've tried to
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  Speaker 3: then fix that by going, no, you're can have six
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  Speaker 3: people on the bench.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that doesn't mean you can use all six,
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  Speaker 1: use four exactly unless you have to.
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  Speaker 4: But then you're still down one.
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  Speaker 7: Player, yeah right, you know, And and as you were
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  Speaker 7: saying last week, we've taken the big hits out of
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  Speaker 7: the game, yeah, because because there's no time for anyone
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  Speaker 7: to be run, no time to.
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  Speaker 3: Have big hits now.
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  Speaker 1: But then when they when they're trying to go for
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  Speaker 1: a big hit, like because they like the fatigue, that
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  Speaker 1: the decision making is slower, poorer, their bodies aren't moving properly.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're you're being a little bit lazy in
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  Speaker 1: that dip. And if you don't dip.
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  Speaker 3: Enough, now, there's no dip.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. If you don't dip and dip, if.
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  Speaker 4: You go in and his head. Actually, Like if you
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  Speaker 4: hit him that hard.
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  Speaker 1: And you get even head on head contact, now I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: where do you how do you fix it?
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  Speaker 4: Like you can't? Like you can't.
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  Speaker 1: And now they're trying to slow the game down in
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  Speaker 1: a way, so people are catching more, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to slow the game, but they can't.
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  Speaker 4: Then they get penalized.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, or six again, what do you mean catching
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  Speaker 6: just like.
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  Speaker 4: You catch the first hitter?
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  Speaker 3: Is you know, you don't actually tackling, you don't. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: it's more of a wrestling move where it's yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: like kind of a hug. Essentially, you're still hitting with
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  Speaker 3: the shoulder enough to make contact and stop, but then
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  Speaker 3: you're trying to hold up stand tall.
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  Speaker 1: Which the more danger into the guy holding the ball
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  Speaker 1: because and then the chance.
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  Speaker 4: Of the knees coming under there.
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  Speaker 3: The third guy that's going to come in and tackle
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  Speaker 3: you around the leg is now is a little bit fatigued.
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  Speaker 3: He might, you know, have made thirty tackles already. Then
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  Speaker 3: he's not coming in with the same intent. He's maybe
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  Speaker 3: coming in a little bit lazy. That's when he start
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  Speaker 3: seeing the hip drops happen.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot to go through, but I
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  Speaker 1: think there's been enough to show that, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a it's a reason and making the game more exciting
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  Speaker 1: is actually then made it more dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: Six to play.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I guess we've got to mention the dragons,
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  Speaker 7: like is there any hope for them?
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  Speaker 6: But it's just it's just been awful. What's going to
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  Speaker 6: happen Magic Ground?
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  Speaker 4: I say you can have your they're playing the Panthers.
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  Speaker 6: They're playing the Panthers.
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  Speaker 4: The last game of round, so yeah, I don't know. Look,
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  Speaker 4: they're playing they're playing eleven dollars.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, Well, we're going to come back and talk about
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• 15:02
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• 15:05
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