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Power, Crime, and Deadly Lies - Mark Shaw #6356 · Financial Survival Network

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Speaker 1: The mafia. When they want to take action with regard
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Speaker 1: to people, they never do it themselves, and they never
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Speaker 1: do it, so they're going to be investigated. The best
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Speaker 1: example is Oswald, because I've been able to prove in
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Speaker 1: the book a relationship there with them, which Dorothy found
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Speaker 1: out about a connection there. And so when you know
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Speaker 1: he can't let JFK become president anymore, he goes ahead
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Speaker 1: and he implements this strategy of getting read of JFK
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Speaker 1: using I believe two shooters from Europe that he brought in,
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Speaker 1: and then using Oswald as a patsy.
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Speaker 3: Welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial Survival Network.
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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. Next guest somebody who really
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Speaker 3: has done amazing work throughout his life, a person who, well,
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Speaker 3: if you wanted to call him, an investigative bloodhound. That
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Speaker 3: would be an understatement. Mark Shaw is with us. Mark,
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Speaker 3: You've written so many books. Your latest book is out
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Speaker 3: and well, Abuse of Power. You just keep pumping them out.
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Speaker 3: It's amazing how many of these books have you written?
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Speaker 4: Now?
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Speaker 1: Well, I started with you know, I'm a former criminal
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Speaker 1: defense lawyer. So I was first of all a criminal
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Speaker 1: defense lawyer, and then after a few too many times
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Speaker 1: of being involved with high profile murder cases, I decided
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Speaker 1: to do something else. I end up as a legal
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Speaker 1: analyst on the networks with OJ and Kobe Bryant and
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Speaker 1: Mike Tyson and all of that, and started then to
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Speaker 1: think about writing books. The first book was actually about
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Speaker 1: the Mike Tyson trial because I was there right in
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Speaker 1: that courtroom and it happened, and I was really dissatisfied
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Speaker 1: with what happened to Tyson. I didn't feel like the
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Speaker 1: evidence was there to convict him, and so I wrote
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Speaker 1: a book called Down for the Count. And I think,
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Speaker 1: like you, with the many books you've written, I'm amazed
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Speaker 1: at what you've done, too, wrote I like the process.
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Speaker 1: I like the investigative party part part of it of
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Speaker 1: looking and finding the evidence like a detective would or
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Speaker 1: a prosecutor would, or whatever defensive lawyer would or whatever.
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Speaker 1: I liked the process, and so I started in writing books,
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Speaker 1: and there were a number of them that were done.
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Speaker 1: I wrote some books that you know, some people got
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Speaker 1: upset with, for sure. But everything changed when I found
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Speaker 1: out a book about a woman named Dorothy Kilgallan, who
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Speaker 1: I believe you're familiar with because your your parents named
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Speaker 1: you after Dorothy's son, Carrie, and I think that's when
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Speaker 1: we first got in touch with each other years ago.
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Speaker 1: And it's amazing because what knowing about Dorothy did for me.
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Speaker 1: There are now seven This will be the seventh Abuse
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Speaker 1: of Power, seventh book that touches on Dorothy kill Gallen
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Speaker 1: JFK and now RFK, and it's been quite a journey
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Speaker 1: because one book leads to the other. The first one
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Speaker 1: that happened, actually the name of Dorothy kill Gallen came up,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't know that it would. I practiced law,
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Speaker 1: and maybe you'll know this name with a rather controversial
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Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyer. And more than that, you know a
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Speaker 1: lawyer who sued all the pharmaceutical companies and everybody else
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Speaker 1: named Melvin Belly, of course, and he was a San
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Speaker 1: Francisco attorney and I practiced law actually with him in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. He had a building up on Montgomery Street.
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Speaker 1: I was just up near there the other day, and
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Speaker 1: he and I got to be pretty close friends. Had
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Speaker 1: an office in that building. He took me to the
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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball All Star Game in his Rolls Royce.
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Speaker 1: But he was a bigger than life character. He was
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Speaker 1: mostly known at the time for suing all the pharmaceutical
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Speaker 1: companies he got to some of the first was.
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Speaker 4: That he was ahead of his time there and he got.
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Speaker 1: Some of the first million dollar verdicts and everything else
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Speaker 1: like that. But when bell I died in nineteen ninety six,
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Speaker 1: I decided to write a book about him because, get this,
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Speaker 1: he had written two autobiographies, but they conflicted. This was
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Speaker 1: his own story, So I yeah, So I decided to
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Speaker 1: write a book, and that became Melvin Belly. King of
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Speaker 1: the Court, was published in two thousand and seven, I believe.
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Speaker 1: And I talked about the things that really interested me
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Speaker 1: with him, especially him being a mafia want to bee.
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Speaker 1: Bell I loved the mafia, and I knew that when
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Speaker 1: I was a friend of his, he would go to
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Speaker 1: Las Vegas and hang out with him. His main client
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Speaker 1: me Cohen, who was a Los Angeles West Coast gangster,
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Speaker 1: and that'll play into when we're going to talk about
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Speaker 1: the Robert Kennedy assassination. But bell I really loved the mafia,
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Speaker 1: and as one of his friends said, the mafia loved him.
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Speaker 1: So I wrote that book about him, and then I
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Speaker 1: was going to quit. But it really bothered me that
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Speaker 1: bell I represented Jack Ruby, and we'll talk about that
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Speaker 1: in a little bit, the guy who shot Lee Harvey Oswell.
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Speaker 1: But I was very interested in how bell I and
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Speaker 1: the mafia had anything to do with the nineteen sixty election.
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Speaker 1: And since you're a historian like me, and in fact,
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Speaker 1: in this book there's three two crime murder mysteries that
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Speaker 1: we'll go into. But the first one came about because
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Speaker 1: I learned that the nineteen sixty election, Joe Kennedy wanted
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Speaker 1: to be or may remember president of the United States.
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Speaker 1: He was ambassador a Great Britain and unfortunately, yeah, Joe
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Speaker 1: made a friend of Adolf Hitler. So when he got
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Speaker 1: back in the United States, his reputation was tarnished and
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Speaker 1: he couldn't run for president. And so Joe said, and
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Speaker 1: this has been documented in my books and others, Okay,
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Speaker 1: if I can't be president, then first, well we'll be
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Speaker 1: Joe Kennedy Junior, but he got killed in the war.
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Speaker 1: Then it'll be Jack Kennedy. Then it'll play Bobby Kennedy.
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Speaker 1: Then it'll be Teddy Kennon Kennedy. But the key to
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Speaker 1: all of that, you got to win the election in
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty and he knew as he got closer and
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Speaker 1: closer that JFK was going to lose that election. So
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Speaker 1: Joe called in some of his underworld character he knew
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Speaker 1: from his bootlegging days and stuff like that, Sam g
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Speaker 1: and Kanna, Carlos Marcello, SnO Trofa, Connie, some of these
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Speaker 1: people and said, all right, look, you help us win
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Speaker 1: the election and we will leave you alone. And unfortunately
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Speaker 1: they did help him win the election. But on the
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Speaker 1: very day that they were in office, Bobby Kennedy was
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Speaker 1: appointed Attorney General and he went after the mob. He
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Speaker 1: went after several of those individuals, but especially this guy
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Speaker 1: named Carlos marcel You know, Bobby Kennedy hated the mafia,
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Speaker 1: and he and Jack at Kennedy had hearings to try
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Speaker 1: to weed out the mafia and do something about it.
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Speaker 1: But the real key to almost everything that happened Carrie
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Speaker 1: is this book Enemy, the Enemy Within. And Bobby Kennedy
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Speaker 1: wrote this book in nineteen sixty one. And if you
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Speaker 1: can imagine some of the things that he said about
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Speaker 1: the mafia in that book, just think about and you know,
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Speaker 1: you can't mess around with those guys. He wrote, their sleek,
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Speaker 1: often bilious and fat, or lean and cold and hard.
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Speaker 1: They have the smooth faces and cruel eyes of gangsters.
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Speaker 1: They wear the same rich clothes, the diamond ring, the
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Speaker 1: jeweled watch, the strong, sickly smelling, sweet smelling perfume. So
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Speaker 1: you can imagine what their thoughts were about him. But
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Speaker 1: then as his first act as Attorney General, he illegally
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Speaker 1: sent Carlos Marcelo, deported him to the wilds of Central
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Speaker 1: America and tricked him into going an immigration office in
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Speaker 1: New Orleans. And we'll talk about who Marcelo was, but
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Speaker 1: you can't mess around with those guys. And so he
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Speaker 1: sent Marcellan to New Orleans. Marcello got back on the
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Speaker 1: unit United States. And because I was a former criminal
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Speaker 1: defense lawyer, I look a motive. And so when Marcello
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Speaker 1: gets back in the United States and he was one
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Speaker 1: of the most dangerous mobsters in the United States. He
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Speaker 1: controlled all of the rackets, the prostitution, the gaming, everything
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans, stretched on to Dallas and all of that.
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Speaker 1: And he when he came back to the United States,
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Speaker 1: he wanted to kill as he said that sob Robert Kennedy.
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Speaker 1: But he knew if he did, then Jack Kennedy and
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Speaker 1: the government would come after everything, come after with him
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Speaker 1: out with everything. And so what did he do? As
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Speaker 1: I've proven in my books, he decided to orchestrate the
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Speaker 1: death of Jack Kennedy so Bobby Kennedy would be powerless.
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened. Bobby never went after him
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Speaker 1: or any thing like that. That sets up everything that
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Speaker 1: has happened, and that led to my books. Then I
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Speaker 1: wrote a book about the sixty election, The Poison Patriarch,
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Speaker 1: and I started writing books about those players who were
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Speaker 1: involved in the JFK assassin Nation by covering it, covering
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Speaker 1: it up, and all of that. I want to mention
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Speaker 1: right now the most important document in the in the
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Speaker 1: new book, and then we'll go back and we'll talk
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Speaker 1: about Dorothy Kilgallen. When the JFK assassination records were released
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Speaker 1: earlier this year. That was really a big deal. President said,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna transparency. We're all going to come out, We're
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Speaker 1: going to We're going to give the American people these records,
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Speaker 1: the JFK assassination records, Robert Kennedy assassinations, Martin Luther King assassinations,
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Speaker 1: and so forth. Well as you can imagine, that has
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Speaker 1: never happened. And the ones that they did send out
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Speaker 1: that I looked over and everything released, a lot of
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Speaker 1: it was redacted. But in while I was looking at
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Speaker 1: those records, I came across some FBI files that were
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Speaker 1: had been hidden, and it basically I was amazed to
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Speaker 1: see what I found because in there was what we
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Speaker 1: may call and we can call is a document that
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Speaker 1: the FBI had hidden, and it's the confession of Carlos
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Speaker 1: Marcelo that he killed the President of the United States.
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Speaker 1: And I have the document right in front of me,
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Speaker 1: and it's in the new book, and I think it
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Speaker 1: will actually just flabbergasted your viewers because it was never released.
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Speaker 1: And here's what it said. On March fourth, nineteen eighty six,
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Speaker 1: John that Ronald Van Lanningham inmate Federal Correctional prison in Texas,
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Speaker 1: was interviewed and the following information. On December fifteenth, nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty five, he was in the company of Carlos Marcelo
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Speaker 1: and another inmate at the Federal Corrections Institute in Texar Kenneth, Texas.
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Speaker 1: Carlos Marcello discussed his immense dislike of the former President
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Speaker 1: John Kennedys often did unlike other times, however, the other
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Speaker 1: tirades against Kenny. In this occasion, Carlos Marcello said, referring
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Speaker 1: to President John F. Kennedy, Yeah, I had the son
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Speaker 1: of a bitch killed. I wish I did. I'm sorry
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Speaker 1: I couldn't have done it myself. Yeah, I had the
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Speaker 1: son of a bitch killed. I'm glad I did. I'm
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Speaker 1: sorry I couldn't have done it myself. That document which
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Speaker 1: has been verified it was audio taped. We're finding the
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Speaker 1: audio tapes now. It just changes everything about any of
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Speaker 1: the assassinations of JFK the murder of Dorothy Kilgallen and
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Speaker 1: the assassination of Robert Kennedy, and I one of them.
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Speaker 1: When we have a chance and you go ahead and
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Speaker 1: ask any questions, you do, Carrie, because you're very observant.
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Speaker 1: What do you want to know about that document? And
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Speaker 1: then we'll go back and talk about Dorothy Kilgallen.
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Speaker 3: All right, so it's been authenticated, and what were there
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Speaker 3: any notes from the FBI on that document?
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Speaker 1: That not on that document, but it was audio taped.
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Speaker 1: Now that audio tape has been hidden for years and
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Speaker 1: I've been trying to find it. It is part of
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Speaker 1: the court case. What they did is the FBI operated
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Speaker 1: a sting against Carlos Marcello, who had been convicted in
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Speaker 1: Louisiana actually for the first time he was ever convicted
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Speaker 1: of trying to bribe a state officials on some labor
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Speaker 1: jobs and stuff like that. So they sent him to
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Speaker 1: Texas and this was called Operation Brie Lab And basically
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Speaker 1: what the FBI wanted to do was to get evidence
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Speaker 1: excuse me, against Marcello regarding the jfk assassination. So they
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Speaker 1: found out about this Jack ck Van Lanningham, who was
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Speaker 1: a bank robber sentenced to a number of years in
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Speaker 1: the Texas prison, and one way or another then the
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Speaker 1: FBI compromised him and they were able to go ahead
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Speaker 1: and get him close to Marcelo, including at one point
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Speaker 1: being a cell made of Marcello. So then they got
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Speaker 1: a fold of Dingham, and we have documentation in the book.
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Speaker 1: Readers will learn that what they offered Van Lenningham, as
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Speaker 1: you can imagine, is that the moment he could get
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Speaker 1: evidence against Marcello regarding the assassination, he could walk out
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Speaker 1: of prison.
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Speaker 4: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So they gave him a transistor radio with a recorder
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Speaker 1: in it, and he recorded these comments from Marcello in
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty six. But those that
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Speaker 1: document and the audio tape were hidden from the public,
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Speaker 1: just like this task Force on Government Secrets that was
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Speaker 1: convened early in the year has hidden it from the
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Speaker 1: public now. Because you have to realize that by exposing
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Speaker 1: that to the American public, it first of all, just
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Speaker 1: obliterates anything to do do obviously with the Oswald alone
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Speaker 1: file Oswollen theory, because that makes no sense probably the
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Speaker 1: whole Cia situation, the Russians, the government, all of these,
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Speaker 1: the Cubans, everything. It really if you're a prosecutor, you
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Speaker 1: would use that document and the testimony of Van Lanningham
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Speaker 1: to show that there was only one person who had
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Speaker 1: the strongest motive to kill JPK, and that was Carlos
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Speaker 1: Marcello M hm.
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Speaker 3: So, but obviously the CIA was involved in it, LBJ
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Speaker 3: was involved, Right, They're all players in this raps.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't agree with you there. You don't say
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Speaker 1: here's the problem with any No, here's the problem with
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Speaker 1: all of those possible theories. You have to go through
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Speaker 1: a bunch of hoops. I've never been able to show
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Speaker 1: a direct connection. For instance, of course LBJ can benefited
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Speaker 1: from JFK's death because he became president. But I've never
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Speaker 1: been able to and never has anybody else been able
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Speaker 1: to show direct evidence without having to go through all
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Speaker 1: these hoops that the CIA was involved in jfk His death,
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Speaker 1: that l b J was, the c I A was,
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Speaker 1: and so on and so forth, And in my book,
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Speaker 1: this new book, and in the other ones too. Uh,
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Speaker 1: there's no question that there's a direct link in there,
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Speaker 1: because you've got this motive by Marcello and he cannot,
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Speaker 1: let just think about it, common sense logic. He cannot
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Speaker 1: let John F. Kennedy become president of the United States
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Speaker 1: because if he, if he does, then Robert Kennedy, who
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Speaker 1: knows that jf that uh that uh uh, that Marcello
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Speaker 1: set up JFK for the kill, is going to go
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Speaker 1: ahead and come after Marcello or come after uh uh,
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Speaker 1: come after Marcello. So if you think about it, that
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Speaker 1: is common sense logic and makes a great deal of sense.
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Speaker 1: And and the books that I wrote about this, including Uh,
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Speaker 1: the the Uh, the next one, which is the Reporter
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Speaker 1: who Knew Too Much, which you know about Dorothy Kilgallen,
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Speaker 1: then denial of Justice, then the collateral damage that connected
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Speaker 1: Marcella with the deaths of Dorothy and marily Monroe as
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, then fighting for Justice, and now
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Speaker 1: abusive power. I'd been able to set up one thing
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Speaker 1: that is so important that's never been in any book
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Speaker 1: whatsoever before. I look at the deaths of JFK. JFK
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Speaker 1: sixty three, Dorothy kill Gallen sixty five, and Robert Kennedy
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Speaker 1: sixty eight in context with each one the other ones
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Speaker 1: with each one, and what you're going to hear me
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Speaker 1: talk about today is that in each particular case there
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Speaker 1: was a patsy that was used. The first one was
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Speaker 1: Oswald with the JFK assassination. The second one was this
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Speaker 1: Ron pattacky that you may be aware of, who is
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Kilgallen's love interest, you know, just before she died
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Speaker 1: because she shared her JFK assassination Investigation five was with him,
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Speaker 1: and then Marcella was able to compromise him. And then
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Speaker 1: with regard to Robert Kennedy, we will show that Sir
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Speaker 1: Hans Sir Han was used as a patsy in the
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Speaker 1: death of Robert F.
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Speaker 4: Kennedy.
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Speaker 1: That's the difference between any my book and any others
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Speaker 1: here is you able to show them in context. You
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Speaker 1: can eat it, you can look at them individually. But
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Speaker 1: it's so interesting to see the pattern that took place
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Speaker 1: because remember one thing the mafia, when they want to
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Speaker 1: take action with regard to people, they never do it
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Speaker 1: themselves and they never do it, so they're going to
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Speaker 1: be investigated. The best example is Oswald because I've been
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Speaker 1: able to prove in the book a relationship there with them,
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Speaker 1: which Dorothy found out about a connection there. And so
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Speaker 1: when you know he can't let JFK become president anymore,
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Speaker 1: he goes ahead and he implements this strategy of getting
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Speaker 1: read of JFK using I believe two shooters from Europe
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Speaker 1: that he brought in, and then using Oswald as a
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Speaker 1: patsy so that the the FB I J. Edgar Hoover.
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Speaker 1: They're going to go after this, this theory about Oswald.
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Speaker 1: Remember that's what Hoover did right when Oswald was arrested.
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Speaker 1: It's it's it's Oswald alone. And we all believe that
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Speaker 1: that that was what happened, because Hoover cannot let there
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Speaker 1: there be a I like to call it a plot
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Speaker 1: to kill the president, because if there's a plot and
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Speaker 1: more people are involved, Carrie, then the FBI could have
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Speaker 1: stopped it.
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Speaker 3: And Hoover.
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Speaker 1: The last thing Hoover wants to do is that have it,
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Speaker 1: have that happened, because what he wants to keep his job,
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Speaker 1: and then he will do the same thing with the
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Speaker 1: cover up of Dorothy's death, and the same thing with
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Speaker 1: the cover up of Robert Robert Kennedy's death.
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Speaker 3: All right, but what about the Warren Commission. So once uh,
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Speaker 3: once LBJ was president, he had no interest in letting
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Speaker 3: the truth get out, right.
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Speaker 1: Not at all. And I want to insert in here
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Speaker 1: Garrett Dorothy for a minute, because that's so important. I
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Speaker 1: know it's important to you because there's new evidence in
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Speaker 1: the book about her. And then I want to get
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Speaker 1: I want to get back to LBJ the and the
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Speaker 1: war and commission. Dorothy Kilgallon, as you know, was an
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Speaker 1: amazing story. And you and I both were just at
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Speaker 1: the ceremony back in New York City that I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about in a minute. But she was a
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Speaker 1: colleague dropout. Her father was a very well known reporter
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Speaker 1: for the New York Evening Journal, which became the New
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Speaker 1: York Journal American. In fact, I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: know it, but Dorothy's father was the first reporter to
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Speaker 1: expose the Docou prison camp during World War Two. Really,
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Speaker 1: so his credentials were amazing. And there's Dorothy. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to go to college. She asked him to do
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Speaker 1: her a favor and let her become an intern at
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Speaker 1: the New York Evening at the New York Evening Journal.
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Speaker 1: So that happens. Dorothy right away faces gender discrimination and
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Speaker 1: sexual discrimination. They won't let her write any any big
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Speaker 1: time articles. A lot of the editors are jealous of
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Speaker 1: her even getting the job. I have an example in
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Speaker 1: the book Carrie where she went ahead and wrote an
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Speaker 1: article about one criminal trial because she was really interested
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Speaker 1: in criminal trials, and she had to write it ten times.
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Speaker 1: That would never happen with a male reporter. She had
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Speaker 1: to write it ten times before they ever published it.
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Speaker 1: So she started going ahead and trying to get assignments
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Speaker 1: for big trials. The first one was Charles Lindbergh's baby
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Speaker 1: kidnapping case, but they wouldn't let her handle that, but
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Speaker 1: she kept after it and kept after it and kept
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Speaker 1: writing her articles. So the next one that she was
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Speaker 1: involved in was the nineteen fifty four trial of doctor
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Speaker 1: Sam Shepherd, which you may remember was the fodder the
20:40
Speaker 1: foundation for the Fugitive movie and television show and all
20:45
Speaker 1: of that. And there's a photograph that I have in
20:48
Speaker 1: front of me that's in the book of Dorothy in
20:50
Speaker 1: the middle of the courtroom at the doctor Sam Shepherd
20:53
Speaker 1: case with all of the other reporters around her in admiration.
20:59
Speaker 1: But one question and maybe asking herself that a lot
21:01
Speaker 1: of readers do and probably your viewers will to it,
21:04
Speaker 1: where did Dorothy kill Gal and get all this guts
21:07
Speaker 1: to go ahead and have the courage to not only
21:11
Speaker 1: write these articles, but later on we'll talk about what
21:14
Speaker 1: she gets involved in the JFK assassination basically called j
21:18
Speaker 1: Edgar Hoover and the other people involved in the FBI liars,
21:22
Speaker 1: and that they are not telling the truth about the
21:24
Speaker 1: JFK assassination. Well, where she got the courage, as I
21:28
Speaker 1: think I said in New York and we'll talk about that,
21:30
Speaker 1: is from it is chronicled in this book Girl around
21:34
Speaker 1: the World. What did that have to do with? Dorothy
21:38
Speaker 1: is twenty three years old in nineteen thirty six, there
21:42
Speaker 1: is going to be what they called a race around
21:45
Speaker 1: the world, and there are three or four men, two
21:50
Speaker 1: men who are first of all the competitors. They're going
21:53
Speaker 1: to go around the world using commercial transportation available to
21:58
Speaker 1: the public. Buses, the subway, cabs, you know, cars, primitive
22:08
Speaker 1: air air travel, all of these things. And so she
22:11
Speaker 1: hears about it, and she convinces her father and the
22:14
Speaker 1: people at the Evening Journal to let her compete. So
22:18
Speaker 1: she did, and she spent I think twenty three days
22:21
Speaker 1: traveling around the world all the way we started. They
22:25
Speaker 1: started in New York City with traveling with the Hindenburg,
22:29
Speaker 1: which blew up a year year later, by the way,
22:32
Speaker 1: And she ended up going to London, Paris, Spain, Portugal,
22:37
Speaker 1: and then kept going around the world South America into China.
22:42
Speaker 1: And there's a great story in here when I mentioned Indo, China,
22:45
Speaker 1: all the way around to it was Australia, and then
22:48
Speaker 1: to Hawaii and finally back to New York City. And
22:53
Speaker 1: in this book people will read I'm going I was
22:56
Speaker 1: able to get a copy of a rare copy of it.
22:59
Speaker 1: I've gotten the pushing permission of the copyright a holder
23:03
Speaker 1: to go ahead and republish this book. And I'm going
23:06
Speaker 1: to do that in probably February of March. Because I
23:09
Speaker 1: took I changed hardly any of the words that Dorothy
23:13
Speaker 1: used because, as you know, as Ernest Hemingway said at
23:16
Speaker 1: the time, she was one of the greatest female writers
23:19
Speaker 1: in the world. She wouldn't have liked female writers because
23:22
Speaker 1: she was one of the greatest writers. If I could
23:24
Speaker 1: write half as well as Dorothy, I would have had
23:27
Speaker 1: ten best sellers instead of one. And she goes ahead
23:30
Speaker 1: and she talks about the plane she's in, which is
23:32
Speaker 1: a small plane kind of carish, landing in Indo, China,
23:37
Speaker 1: and she says, finally the pilot shrugged his shoulders in
23:40
Speaker 1: oriental despair and nose down for landing. While thoughts of bandits, kidnapping, murders,
23:46
Speaker 1: and revolutions sizzled in my head. Bump bump, splash, splash,
23:50
Speaker 1: we thumped down, jarling in the middle of the field.
23:53
Speaker 1: The plane was not damage, but in a second I
23:55
Speaker 1: thought all of my worst feels fears about this province
23:59
Speaker 1: were realized, occurring like gnomes from the ground. Almost six
24:03
Speaker 1: hundred natives surrounded the plane with spears in their hand,
24:09
Speaker 1: and you know she was able to go ahead and
24:12
Speaker 1: use the courage that she had there. I think you'll
24:15
Speaker 1: barely be interested in those kinds of stories, because you know,
24:18
Speaker 1: Dorothy was a it was a first person who was gutsy.
24:23
Speaker 1: As Larry King told me during an interview, she was
24:26
Speaker 1: one who would stand up for the truth. She was
24:28
Speaker 1: a woman of the truth. I like to say, And
24:30
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, I'm going to I think that
24:32
Speaker 1: you have some lineage from Dorothy, because you're a man
24:35
Speaker 1: of no you're a man of the truth, Carrie, and
24:38
Speaker 1: you're a namesake and you and I'm sure you're very
24:41
Speaker 1: proud of her. And as you know, about a little
24:45
Speaker 1: more than a month now ago, you joined me in
24:47
Speaker 1: New York City because Dorothy Kilgallen was the recipient of
24:53
Speaker 1: the Poe naming of a street in New York City
24:56
Speaker 1: at East sixty eighth Street and Park Avenue, and it's
25:00
Speaker 1: named the now Dorothy kill Gallen Way. The New York
25:04
Speaker 1: City Council set that up. We were both there. We
25:07
Speaker 1: both listened to exactly what they said about here, and
25:10
Speaker 1: one thing they did in a flyer was say, join
25:12
Speaker 1: us as we honor the extraordinary legacy of Dorothy Kilgallen,
25:16
Speaker 1: pioneering journalist, author, and fearless for us for truth. Dorothy's
25:20
Speaker 1: groundbreaking career in printed television, broke barriers for women in media,
25:24
Speaker 1: and her commitment to investigative reporting make a last date
25:28
Speaker 1: meeting a lasting impact on American journalism. We probably recognize
25:32
Speaker 1: her life work and contributions to our city and our
25:35
Speaker 1: nation with his special street co naming. So that street
25:38
Speaker 1: sign is now right there at East sixty eighth Street.
25:41
Speaker 1: Remember she lived on at forty five East sixty eighth Street.
25:45
Speaker 1: We stood you and I and others who were there
25:48
Speaker 1: right in front of that building. And I had some
25:50
Speaker 1: goosebumps when I did, because that's the place where Dorothy
25:52
Speaker 1: did all of her work, and we should say it
25:55
Speaker 1: right now. That's where she wrote her Voice of Broadway
25:58
Speaker 1: column for the New York Journal American syndicated to two
26:02
Speaker 1: hundred newspapers. Across the country. That's where she got ready
26:06
Speaker 1: and prepared for being the star performer on the television
26:10
Speaker 1: show What's My Line, which was on CBS every Sunday night.
26:13
Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably watched it if you're old enough.
26:17
Speaker 1: She had a radio show listened to by a million
26:19
Speaker 1: people a day. I mean, Dorothy was the real thing.
26:23
Speaker 1: And this tribute to her by the New York City
26:26
Speaker 1: Council meant so much to me, and I'm sure it
26:28
Speaker 1: did to you. But Dorothy then found out about what
26:31
Speaker 1: happened with JFK. And why was she interested? She was
26:35
Speaker 1: interested because none other than JFK used to come to
26:40
Speaker 1: forty five East sixty eighth Street and go ahead and
26:43
Speaker 1: play charades there. They became friends. Jackie came there. They
26:48
Speaker 1: knew each other. And so when Dorothy killgall when John F.
26:52
Speaker 1: Kennedy died, the first column she wrote, Carrie said this
26:56
Speaker 1: what I remember is a tall man stooping over a
26:59
Speaker 1: little boy, making a lot of fuss over the letters
27:03
Speaker 1: he had brought from his third grade class. Because JFK
27:07
Speaker 1: had invited Dorothy and her son Carrie to the White House,
27:11
Speaker 1: he made a big fuss. He gave her a PT
27:14
Speaker 1: one O nine pen and all of that, and so
27:17
Speaker 1: unlike me, unlike anybody else who's ever looked into the
27:21
Speaker 1: JFK assassination, and she's the most credible journalist to have
27:24
Speaker 1: done so. And we'll talk about what she uncovered. She
27:28
Speaker 1: it was personal with her. She wanted to find out
27:31
Speaker 1: what happened to her friend, and when he was assassinated,
27:36
Speaker 1: she left for Dallas and then she started looking the assassination.
27:40
Speaker 1: She first of all interviewed Jesse Curry, who was the
27:43
Speaker 1: Dallas police chief, and that what he told her triggered
27:47
Speaker 1: the rest of her eighteen month investigation into JFK's death.
27:51
Speaker 1: Because Jesse Curry, one of the first things he told
27:53
Speaker 1: her and I found this very rare book, he reveals
27:57
Speaker 1: his personalis JFK assassination file. First thing he told her was, Dorothy,
28:01
Speaker 1: the shots came from the overpass and the grassy knoll
28:05
Speaker 1: and you see right Awaven. She knew that this Oswald
28:10
Speaker 1: alone theory that j Edgar Hoover was shouting out, you know,
28:16
Speaker 1: made no sense whatsoever. The first column she wrote, Carrie
28:19
Speaker 1: was the Oswald file must not close. She wrote, they've
28:22
Speaker 1: killed the president. The government is not prepared to tell
28:26
Speaker 1: us the truth, and I'm going to do everything in
28:28
Speaker 1: my power to find out what really happened. Was you
28:32
Speaker 1: can imagine she put a target on her back because
28:35
Speaker 1: she's going up against probably other than the President of
28:38
Speaker 1: the United States, which was LBJ. The second most powerful
28:42
Speaker 1: was j Edgar Hoover, and he could not, as I said, again,
28:46
Speaker 1: let there be known that there was a plot to
28:48
Speaker 1: kill the president, because we would have shown for sure
28:51
Speaker 1: that the FBI should have stopped it. That's the woman
28:55
Speaker 1: that your mother named you after. It's not of the.
29:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, so okay, you know, that's just like
29:05
Speaker 3: so many things to unpack there, but the the whole
29:11
Speaker 3: idea of the breadth of the cover up, and and
29:14
Speaker 3: supposedly j Edgar Hoover was compromised by the mob as well, right,
29:19
Speaker 3: so he wasn't going to do any investigating.
29:22
Speaker 1: And I like to say that I'm not only a historian,
29:25
Speaker 1: but an educator in some way, just like you are.
29:28
Speaker 1: In in the book, people are going to be amazed
29:30
Speaker 1: when they say they see an account of j Edgar
29:32
Speaker 1: Hoover and LBJ deciding who they want on a Warren Commission.
29:37
Speaker 1: On the Warren Commission, well, of course they don't want
29:39
Speaker 1: anybody that's not going to go with the Oswald alone theory.
29:42
Speaker 1: So the first guy they pick is Gerald Ford, who's
29:44
Speaker 1: going to be President of the United States, and they
29:46
Speaker 1: use that old adage he can't think and chew gum
29:49
Speaker 1: at the same time, he's not going to be a
29:51
Speaker 1: thread at all, all right. They use Alan Dulles who
29:56
Speaker 1: JAMA went ahead CIA and a j who went ahead
30:00
Speaker 1: and was fired by JFK Well AKA, he wants to
30:04
Speaker 1: close the case. And then they go ahead and you'll
30:07
Speaker 1: see some of the things in there they say. But
30:08
Speaker 1: one point they say, well, we're a little concerned because
30:12
Speaker 1: there's a dirty columnist out there that we have to
30:15
Speaker 1: be afraid of in terms of what she might do
30:18
Speaker 1: to find out what we're doing with the Warren Commission.
30:20
Speaker 1: And we know who. That was no question about it.
30:23
Speaker 1: So they convene the Warren Commission. They picked a couple senators,
30:26
Speaker 1: one of whom became a very good friend of Dorothy's.
30:29
Speaker 1: She's able to get the inside dope and what the
30:32
Speaker 1: Warren Commission, what they investigated, and what they didn't and
30:36
Speaker 1: that's in the book. And I think people will be
30:38
Speaker 1: amazed to read the accounts line by line of what
30:42
Speaker 1: these two men said to cover up the truth about
30:45
Speaker 1: what happened with JFK.
30:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating, fascinating.
30:49
Speaker 3: So again we should repeat the name of the book,
30:52
Speaker 3: Abusive Power, connecting Robert Kennedy's assassination with the murders of
30:57
Speaker 3: JFK Dorothy Kilgall and exposes who was responsible and why
31:02
Speaker 3: Sirhan Sirhan deserves a new trial. Definitely, Sirhan was a
31:06
Speaker 3: patsy because we know that the bullet wounds from of
31:11
Speaker 3: RFK came from behind, not from in front, where Sirhan
31:17
Speaker 3: was shooting from. And that's a story in itself. What
31:22
Speaker 3: amazes me, Mark is how corrupt these local police departments,
31:26
Speaker 3: these city police departments were a lot of them. They
31:30
Speaker 3: had CIA infiltration, FBI infiltration, and they basically did what
31:35
Speaker 3: they were told.
31:36
Speaker 1: Oh with regardless Sir Hans. So I'm going ahead in
31:40
Speaker 1: the reporter into too much and showed what happened to
31:42
Speaker 1: Dorothy with the patsy ROMP ATTACKI I got, I've gone
31:46
Speaker 1: ahead and showed with JFK the patsy with Oswald. So
31:51
Speaker 1: now I was always interested in the Robert Kennedy assassination.
31:54
Speaker 1: I never could figure out. You know, they never proved
31:56
Speaker 1: a motive on Oswald's part, and we have in the
32:00
Speaker 1: Book of Fact. You know, he says I'm a patsy
32:02
Speaker 1: and all that. But with Rfk's death, I could never
32:05
Speaker 1: figure out how this Palestinian named Sir Hans sir Han
32:09
Speaker 1: could have possibly gone ahead and killed, set up or
32:13
Speaker 1: killed Robert Kennedy, you know, set it all up and
32:16
Speaker 1: done it himself. So I got to thinking, all right,
32:18
Speaker 1: can I connect who has the strongest motive? I think
32:21
Speaker 1: you'll be interested in this. Who has the strongest motive
32:24
Speaker 1: to have Robert Kennedy silenced? Well we go back to
32:28
Speaker 1: Carlos Marcelo because he can. He finds out, of course
32:31
Speaker 1: that Robert Kennedy may become President of the United States.
32:35
Speaker 1: Well if he does, then Robert Kennedy is going to
32:37
Speaker 1: come after him. So what I was able to do
32:39
Speaker 1: in the book and just summarize a bit, is to
32:42
Speaker 1: go ahead, I have connected Sir Hans sir Han with
32:45
Speaker 1: Carlos Marcello via Mickey Cohen, who was Belli's, you know,
32:52
Speaker 1: a client, and showed how that stream of evidence leads
32:56
Speaker 1: right up to the fact where I show that just
32:59
Speaker 1: a few days before Robert Kennedy was assassinated. A paddock
33:04
Speaker 1: captain at Santa Nita Racetrack south of Los Angeles provides
33:10
Speaker 1: a videotaped interview in the book that shows he saw
33:13
Speaker 1: Sir Han in the accompaniment of two hoodlums, he had
33:17
Speaker 1: a brand new suit on, even that even though he
33:20
Speaker 1: was unemployed, they would later find four one hundred dollars
33:24
Speaker 1: bills in his pocket, and that he reported this information
33:29
Speaker 1: to the LAPD, just like you're talking about in the FBI.
33:33
Speaker 1: They never got in contact with him at all, And
33:36
Speaker 1: obviously that was a part of the plot to cover
33:39
Speaker 1: up the what happened to Robert Kennedy. So I think
33:43
Speaker 1: people will see that pattern there through the use of
33:46
Speaker 1: three Patsy's by Marcelo that he was responsible for JFK,
33:50
Speaker 1: Robert JFK, Dorothy Kilgowan, and Robert Kennedy's deaths.
33:54
Speaker 4: Wow, amazing, amazing, and it all ties in. It all
33:59
Speaker 4: makes sense.
34:01
Speaker 3: And that's the thing, the logic behind it, because all
34:05
Speaker 3: of the explanations we've been provided why these people were
34:08
Speaker 3: killed don't hold water. They make no sense, the official explanations.
34:14
Speaker 3: But with the backbone of the case that you're making
34:17
Speaker 3: it's kind of a unified theory of why these people
34:20
Speaker 3: were taken out.
34:22
Speaker 1: You're very perceptive the pattern of what happened with the three. Unfortunately, though,
34:27
Speaker 1: the Warren Commission corruption or the Warren Commission cover up
34:31
Speaker 1: has lasted to today because the President of the United
34:34
Speaker 1: States went ahead and appointed the task force on something
34:38
Speaker 1: like that task Force Uncovering Classified Secrets or whatever was called.
34:42
Speaker 1: They put in charge a congresswoman from Florida, Anna Paulina Luna.
34:48
Speaker 5: Who you may be aware of, who had no experience
34:51
Speaker 5: whatsoever with investigating anything, and they went ahead the task force,
34:56
Speaker 5: and they went through an investigation of ja FK's death.
35:01
Speaker 1: They went through, you know, they looked at all of
35:05
Speaker 1: the possibilities there. They went ahead, and it really basically
35:10
Speaker 1: has come down to the fact, which is very disappointing,
35:13
Speaker 1: that it was all political theater. They never permitted. For instance,
35:16
Speaker 1: I sent several letters to Luna telling of my research.
35:21
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me testify, they wouldn't let what other
35:23
Speaker 1: people do that because they were all about the Oswald
35:26
Speaker 1: alone or CIA or whatever it may be, possibilities of
35:30
Speaker 1: killing JFK. And it's very disappointing. Now, one thing I
35:34
Speaker 1: have done that. I want to mention in just a
35:36
Speaker 1: little time I'm sure we have left. And that is
35:38
Speaker 1: that I have written a letter to Robert F. Kennedy Junior,
35:41
Speaker 1: and he got it Monday, and I have said in
35:44
Speaker 1: that week ago and I've said to him, listen, I
35:47
Speaker 1: want you to be able to go ahead and see
35:49
Speaker 1: if you can help Sir Hans Sir Han be released
35:52
Speaker 1: from prison. And in the book people will see all
35:54
Speaker 1: of the statements that RFK Junior has made over the years.
35:59
Speaker 1: He went to the in where Sir Han was in
36:02
Speaker 1: San Diego, he hugged him, he said, I know you're
36:05
Speaker 1: not responsible for my father's death, and so on and
36:09
Speaker 1: so forth. That's those are in the book. They're verified.
36:12
Speaker 1: People can look at them on the internet. And so
36:15
Speaker 1: I also tried in twenty seventeen and was successful in
36:19
Speaker 1: helping get Sir Han a parole, and then of course
36:22
Speaker 1: the governor of our state in California, who wants to
36:25
Speaker 1: be president, reversed the parole decision by the parole board.
36:31
Speaker 1: So I have written to him and said, Okay, you
36:34
Speaker 1: know this man is innocent, you know that you believe
36:37
Speaker 1: that is true. I want you to take action perhaps
36:39
Speaker 1: going to the president or doing something to get him
36:42
Speaker 1: another parole board hearing, whatever it may be, to hopefully
36:47
Speaker 1: get this man who's eighty years old, who has been
36:49
Speaker 1: in prison for almost sixty years for a crime he
36:52
Speaker 1: did not commit, be released as soon as possible. Now
36:56
Speaker 1: I'm holding out. I know it's a long shot, but
36:58
Speaker 1: I'm holding out because I want justice for Sir Hans, Sirhan,
37:02
Speaker 1: just as I want justice for Dorothy Kilgallen and for JFK.
37:07
Speaker 1: And I'm going to try it until the day I
37:09
Speaker 1: die to get this justice for them, especially Sir Han,
37:12
Speaker 1: who's an innocent man in prison, and he should be released.
37:16
Speaker 1: He shouldn't spend one more day in prison, that's for sure.
37:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's crazy, but these things happen.
37:23
Speaker 3: Mark can't thank you enough for coming back on the
37:26
Speaker 3: show and for really filling in the blanks in my knowledge.
37:31
Speaker 3: I have, for whatever reason, been a lifelong student of
37:36
Speaker 3: the Kennedy assassination, not so much RFK because to me
37:40
Speaker 3: that was open and shut.
37:44
Speaker 4: Yeah it didn't do that way.
37:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, there was like no way that you get
37:48
Speaker 3: bullet wounds in the back from somebody, and we knew
37:54
Speaker 3: about LA and you know the Martin Luther King assassination. Dorothy,
38:00
Speaker 3: I never really knew died a mysterious death, you know,
38:06
Speaker 3: I didn't know. And Marilyn Monroe is kind of like
38:09
Speaker 3: a little bit before by time. Never really check that
38:13
Speaker 3: one either, But they all have, you know, this web
38:17
Speaker 3: that connects them, and it makes makes your explanation really compelling.
38:22
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. And one of the things I say,
38:24
Speaker 1: because your viewers are going to say, why do we
38:27
Speaker 1: care about this? It happened sixty years ago, And I
38:30
Speaker 1: say to them, listen, here's the problem with these these
38:33
Speaker 1: deaths in six in the nineteen sixties, JFK to Dorothy,
38:37
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe, Robert Kennedy, nobody asked any questions, okay, and
38:43
Speaker 1: they didn't ask the right questions. Dorothy is the only
38:45
Speaker 1: one that stood up against Hoover. They didn't ask the
38:49
Speaker 1: right questions. And so it's the same thing that's relevant today.
38:54
Speaker 1: You have to ask questions of your government. You cannot
38:58
Speaker 1: take for granted them telling the truth no matter what
39:01
Speaker 1: comes out of Washington or with the government. You have
39:04
Speaker 1: to do your own research. You have to go and
39:07
Speaker 1: then ask the questions, because if you don't, then you've
39:09
Speaker 1: got nothing to gripe about. And that's the relevance of
39:13
Speaker 1: connecting what happened in the sixties today for sure.
39:17
Speaker 3: And I'll just further state that from the time of
39:20
Speaker 3: JFK's assassination, this country seems to have been on a
39:24
Speaker 3: marked decline downward slope, whether you know. And I tie
39:29
Speaker 3: back to monetary policy too. One of the first things
39:32
Speaker 3: that LBJ did as president was take silver out of
39:36
Speaker 3: the coinage. And you know, that was sixty five, So
39:42
Speaker 3: sixty years later, we're still feeling the effects of these assassinations. Yeah,
39:48
Speaker 3: I wrote a whole piece about it because I just
39:51
Speaker 3: remember when it happened, I was only eight years old.
39:54
Speaker 3: But then to actually go through the details of it,
39:57
Speaker 3: the history of it, how it occurred, it was kind
40:00
Speaker 3: of shocking. A lot of things they were new, Like
40:03
Speaker 3: they had already made the decision to demonetize silver, to
40:07
Speaker 3: take it out of the coinage, but then the commemorative coin,
40:12
Speaker 3: which was the nineteen sixty four a half dollar to JFK.
40:18
Speaker 3: They felt that they couldn't make it a copper clad
40:21
Speaker 3: coin because that would deepen JFK's image and there would
40:25
Speaker 3: be there would be, you know, feedback negative feedback from it,
40:31
Speaker 3: so they made it silver and instantly all of those coins,
40:34
Speaker 3: the sixty four Kennedys, which were ninety percent silver, were
40:38
Speaker 3: immediately hoarded.
40:40
Speaker 4: Out of circulation.
40:41
Speaker 3: So they said, well, we can't do this because we
40:43
Speaker 3: can't just produce these then they hoard them. So then
40:46
Speaker 3: they made sixty five to sixty nine forty percent silver,
40:51
Speaker 3: which was the minimum they could use to make it
40:54
Speaker 3: look like a silver coin, and those coins got hoarded
40:57
Speaker 3: out of existence. So all of these things, Mark are connected,
41:02
Speaker 3: and what you're doing is unraveling that web. Like I say,
41:07
Speaker 3: things never went right for America after JFK was assassinated,
41:12
Speaker 3: Vietnam and Nixon, Watergate, all of this, it's all connected.
41:19
Speaker 1: Excellent, boy, you're a lot smarter than I am with
41:22
Speaker 1: regard to those things. But I never knew about that
41:24
Speaker 1: LBJ connection. I'm going to look into that a little
41:26
Speaker 1: bit more, and people should read your book and I'm
41:27
Speaker 1: going to get a copy of it as well.
41:29
Speaker 4: Good, All right, excellent, Well, hey appreciate you coming on.
41:33
Speaker 3: Your book is available at Amazon, Barnes and Nobles and
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