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Steve Price | 31 July · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live.
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Speaker 2: This is Steve Bryce. Good evening, working to the show,
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Speaker 2: and it wasn't that hard last week to predict Victoria
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Speaker 2: was in for a change at the top in politics.
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Speaker 2: To Cinder Allen had been on thin ice for months.
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Speaker 2: She was convinced to jump rather than be pushed, and
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Speaker 2: now her deputy Ben Carroll is the new Premier. Steve
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Speaker 2: Price with you more on Carroll and the job he
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Speaker 2: has ahead of him. Shortly here though, is what's coming
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Speaker 2: up on the program tonight. A week of high drama,
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Speaker 2: as I said in Victorian politics, and the drama continues
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Speaker 2: to unfold. Daniel Andrews installed his candidate to Sinda Allen
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Speaker 2: into the Premier's job when he quit, and now, in
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Speaker 2: the face of big build, corruption and the money pit
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Speaker 2: that is the Suburban rail Loop, she's out and her
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Speaker 2: deputy Ben Carroll has taken over. Veteran political observer the Australians,
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Speaker 2: John Ferguson, first up tonight, Incredible scenes overnight off the
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Speaker 2: coast of Morocco, as you've been seeing all day, as
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Speaker 2: thousands of illegal migrants storm the Spanish enclave of Suta,
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Speaker 2: with Spain calling in their military to stop what amounts
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Speaker 2: to a mini invasion Our UK regular Adrian Hayes with
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Speaker 2: the latest AS reforms. Nigel Faraj warns many of those
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Speaker 2: illegals could end up in Britain. And more evidence from
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Speaker 2: crime busting lawyer Jeffrey Watson on just what was happening
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Speaker 2: with the CFMEU on Victoria's big build projects that he
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Speaker 2: says has been corrupted to the tune of fifteen billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: Friday regular and former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman joins me
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne on the Studio In the Studio tonight, plus
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Speaker 2: do we deserve more detail surrounding at dinner? The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister attended at a multimillion dollar Harveside mansion in Sydney
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Speaker 2: last week with the son of a Chinese billionaire who
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Speaker 2: had an expensive run in with the Australian Tax Office.
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Speaker 3: Former South Australian.
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Speaker 2: Senator Rex Patrick has long been a campaigner for greater
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Speaker 2: scrutiny about political donations. He wants transparency around those donations
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Speaker 2: and he'll join us as well. First though, we're just
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Speaker 2: eighteen weeks until Victorians get the chance to vote in
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Speaker 2: the state election. The ruling Labor Party, which has won
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Speaker 2: the last three elections and has been in power for
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Speaker 2: the past twelve years, first under the harsh rule of
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews, then his choice of replacement, Jacinda Allen.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: This week saw her shown the door, replaced by her
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Speaker 2: deputy Ben Carroll. Now it turned out to be a
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Speaker 2: relatively bloodless skup. Although Allan tried to hang on to
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Speaker 2: the grim end, using her Socialist Left faction to try
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Speaker 2: and stay in charge, the numbers, both poll numbers and
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Speaker 2: the numbers in her own caucus were just too bad
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Speaker 2: for her to survive. Her concession speech, I have to say,
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Speaker 2: was all about what she thought she had achieved and
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Speaker 2: literally about the horrible mess that she leaves the state in.
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Speaker 4: I leave immensely proud of what we have achieved these
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Speaker 4: past three years. I inherited a rising crime rate. My
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Speaker 4: team and I toughened bail laws, started adult time, introduced
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Speaker 4: the Violence Reduction Unit. Crime is now falling for the
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Speaker 4: first time since COVID. I inherited a budget deficit. My
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Speaker 4: team and I made savings whilst always protecting frontline services.
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Speaker 4: The budget today is now in surplus. I came to
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Speaker 4: office in a cost of living crisis, making life easier
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Speaker 4: and more affordable became my mission.
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Speaker 2: Graceless to the end, given that Victoria has the nation's
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Speaker 2: highest unemployment numbers, the weakest housing market in the country,
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Speaker 2: the biggest debt of any state in the Commonwealth by
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Speaker 2: a country mile. I mean, seriously, how could she stand
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Speaker 2: there and talk like that. Crime We have a crime
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Speaker 2: crisis like no Victorian has ever seen before, with weak
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Speaker 2: bail laws creating an underclass of teenage car thieves and
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Speaker 2: home plus a corrupt big bill program said by investigators
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Speaker 2: to have been routed by nearly as much as fifteen
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Speaker 2: billion dollars. But oh no, nothing to see here. Ja
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Speaker 2: Cinder Allen said on her way out, and today speculation
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Speaker 2: she will not stand for re election for her seat
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Speaker 2: of Bendigo East that she has held since she was
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Speaker 2: twenty five years old. She won't stand because she wouldn't win.
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Speaker 2: Victoria's new premiere is a bloke by the name of
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Speaker 2: Ben Carroll. Outside of Victoria, I think most people have
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Speaker 2: never heard of Ben Carroll. He's from the opposing labor faction,
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Speaker 2: the Right and first up, he did what he had
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Speaker 2: to do and announced a Royal commission into those see
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Speaker 2: if MEU big build corruption claims we.
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Speaker 5: Are saying enough is enough. In my government, integrity will
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Speaker 5: not be optional.
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Speaker 3: That is why.
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Speaker 5: My first action as Premier will be to call a
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Speaker 5: royal commission into the construction sector.
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Speaker 2: He also said he wasn't Dan andrews Orgia, Cinda Allen
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Speaker 2: all well and good. But as I've written in the
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Speaker 2: Herald Son tomorrow, Ben Carroll is gas lighting every Victorian
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Speaker 2: with this spiel about fixing the state. He has been
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Speaker 2: a cabinet minister for the last ten years. He has
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Speaker 2: held senior portfolios including Transport Minister, Rhodes Minister, along with others.
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Speaker 2: But he now says it's a brand news start trust me,
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Speaker 2: I'll fix everything. I mean, No one believes that stuff,
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Speaker 2: and recent polling suggests Labor will lose in November, probably
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Speaker 2: delivering a Liberal National Coalition government led by Jess Wilson,
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Speaker 2: although there is a chance she might have to rely
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Speaker 2: on one nation to actually form government. The promise of
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Speaker 2: a corruption royal commission into the big bill projects, especially
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Speaker 2: the Superurban rail loop, is fine, but will the Carol
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Speaker 2: appointed inquiry really get to the bottom of what's gone
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Speaker 2: on and will it examine on the stand the two
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Speaker 2: former premiers, Dan Andrews and Jacinda Allen, who've consistently argued
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Speaker 2: that if there is corruption, it's not as bad as
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey want and claims. He was cross examined again today
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Speaker 2: in Queensland at another inquiry and asked the question, has
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Speaker 2: anyone from Victorian Labor this is to Watson even bothered
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Speaker 2: to ask him about his claims. Here's his answer.
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Speaker 1: No, nobody from the Labor Party has contacted me at
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Speaker 1: all to discuss that.
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Speaker 2: Unbelievable that certainly Federal National MP Bridget Mackenzie, well, she's
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Speaker 2: got her doubts about how robust this actual Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: might be.
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Speaker 6: My concern is that the federal government won't actually cooperate
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Speaker 6: with the Royal Commission. The Prime Minister needs to make
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Speaker 6: it clear that Catherine King, the infrastructure agencies of the
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Speaker 6: Federal Government, the Department will all make themselves available to
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Speaker 6: the Victorian Royal Commission so that we can understand what
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Speaker 6: they knew and how complicit the Federal Labor government was
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Speaker 6: in the ruption we've seen in the Big build.
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Speaker 2: Good luck making that happen. And now Ben Carroll must
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Speaker 2: turn his attention to a cabinet reshuffle with overnight two
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Speaker 2: staun Jaalen supporters from the Socialist Left, Harriet Sing and
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Speaker 2: Lily d Ambrosio, resigning and not contesting the election in November.
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Speaker 3: No great loss.
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Speaker 2: I must say Victorians deserve a new start, but it
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Speaker 2: can't be Carol. Twelve years of Labour has trashed the state.
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Speaker 2: It is in the worst shape I have ever seen,
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Speaker 2: and I've lived here on and off for the better
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Speaker 2: part of fifty years. Broke, corrupt and in economic decline,
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Speaker 2: propped up by excessive immigration and a ballooning public service,
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Speaker 2: and raught it by criminal unions. It's not a pretty picture.
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Speaker 2: Well that's how I've seen the past week. And it's
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Speaker 2: a pity it took so long for Labor to admit
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Speaker 2: that it had a problem. Associated editor at The Australian,
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Speaker 2: John Ferguson has been watching Victorian politics, probably for even
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Speaker 2: longer than me. Ferg welcome deals right up to the end.
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Speaker 2: Herold Son reports today that the Alan ally and current
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Speaker 2: Attorney General Sonya kill Kenny dropped her intention to put
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Speaker 2: her hand up for the Premier's job, causing a week's
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Speaker 2: long vote, by getting Carol's side to sign a deal
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Speaker 2: to leave her in her job as attorney general, dirty
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Speaker 2: deals to the inmate.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, look, Steve, I think a lot of that stuff's
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Speaker 7: pretty proformer.
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Speaker 8: It was a messy caucus meeting.
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Speaker 7: Because Carol potentially was going to face a face a ballot,
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Speaker 7: which would have taken six weeks, would have been absolutely
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Speaker 7: disastrous for the government.
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Speaker 8: So Sonya killed Kenny.
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Speaker 7: It seems extracted her place, you know, a guarantee of
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Speaker 7: a place in cabinet.
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Speaker 8: I mean, these are the things that labor. It's how
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Speaker 8: they function.
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Speaker 7: It's weird in the outside world, but in their world,
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Speaker 7: that's what they do.
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Speaker 2: In my column that will be up in the haroldsun
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Speaker 2: tomorrow prosecuted the argument that Carol's been in cabinet for
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Speaker 2: most of the last ten years. He's only now acting
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Speaker 2: on things that he says needs fixing. I mean, that
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Speaker 2: is full on gas lighting.
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Speaker 3: Surely.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think what's happening is three years ago, or
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Speaker 7: nearly three years ago, when sint To Allen was handed
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Speaker 7: the premiership without obviously the public voting for her, she
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Speaker 7: was told to distance yourself from Dan Andrews. You need
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Speaker 7: to move on, create a new agenda. It never happened,
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Speaker 7: and that's I believe why Victoria is in such a
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Speaker 7: bad state now because had she acted to sint Alan
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Speaker 7: started to hack into the budget, dropped some of the
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Speaker 7: major projects. I think the state debt would be significantly
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Speaker 7: lower than it is. There would have been meaningful change
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Speaker 7: that never happened. So now, Ben Carroll, who's been around
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Speaker 7: for a long time, and your argument is accurate, he's
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Speaker 7: been there.
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Speaker 8: How much do you blame him for what's happened?
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Speaker 7: I think you know, yes, he can't escape scrutiny, but
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Speaker 7: I think he deserves an opportunity to right the wrongs.
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Speaker 2: You and I lived through the Kerner and Caine years
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Speaker 2: as well the last twelve years, and it obviously we
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Speaker 2: had COVID in the middle of it. Have you ever
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Speaker 2: seen as bad a state government as the one that
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Speaker 2: we've endured over the last three terms of labor?
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Speaker 7: I think just sin to Allen is easily the worst
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Speaker 7: premier I've covered. I think there's about thirteen since you know,
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Speaker 7: nineteen eighty five, and that's in.
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Speaker 8: Australia and Victoria.
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Speaker 7: I think her failure to act on the budget when
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Speaker 7: she was handed the premiership is the worst performance I've seen.
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Speaker 7: For all the criticisms of John ConA back in nineteen.
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Speaker 7: In that n ninety two period she actually had a crack.
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Speaker 7: She got her treasurers, there were a couple of them
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Speaker 7: to actually have a go at things, whereas really nothing much.
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Speaker 7: It all happened under Decentra Alan, which I think it's
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Speaker 7: a complete disgrace.
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Speaker 2: So crime, the budget, big build projects and corruption. What
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Speaker 2: do you think is resonating with the electorate who've got
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Speaker 2: eighteen weeks now to make up their mind on whether
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Speaker 2: they will return label or whether they'll turn to the coalition.
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Speaker 8: Look, I think it's incredibly tight, Steve.
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Speaker 7: I think if you look at newspoll which came out
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Speaker 7: the start of the week, it's got the Coalition on
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Speaker 7: primary of thirty one and Labor on twenty eight and
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Speaker 7: then one Nation at nineteen.
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Speaker 8: The Coalition.
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Speaker 9: And not.
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Speaker 7: Guarantee will win government on those numbers. It needs to
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Speaker 7: increase its primary vote by quite a few points now.
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Speaker 7: So I think it's just incredibly tight, and it's tighter
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Speaker 7: than people understand.
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Speaker 8: I think that anything could happen.
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Speaker 7: I think One Nation may not be as strong as
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Speaker 7: we think, which could be both a good and a
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Speaker 7: bad thing for the Coalition. So it's just people need
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Speaker 7: to understand it's very tired out there.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 2: On the rule numbers, I mean, the coalition would need
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Speaker 2: to win sixteen seats and not lose any So that's
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Speaker 2: a pretty big mountain to climb under any circumstance, even
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Speaker 2: if you accept that the state's in a mess and
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Speaker 2: that people really feel that labor under Cinna Allen's been
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Speaker 2: on the nose. But as you say, it's a big ask.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think there's a couple of things to really
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Speaker 7: drill down into.
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Speaker 8: One is the regions.
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Speaker 7: I think labor will get smashed in the regions this
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Speaker 7: time around, just potholes. I think the common Wealth Games
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Speaker 7: will hurt them in places like bal At, Bendigo and Along.
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Speaker 7: I think also people did not did not buy just
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Speaker 7: since her Allen at all. They saw through her. I
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Speaker 7: don't think she was a particularly honest politician. I know
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Speaker 7: that's a contradiction in terms, but so I think they've
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Speaker 7: got eyes wide open. I think I think also the
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Speaker 7: other thing that's going on as a Liberal party until
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Speaker 7: Jess Wilson took over in November has been an utter
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Speaker 7: disgrace and a failure. So I think people have got
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Speaker 7: that in the back of their minds, and I think
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Speaker 7: that's what's suppressing the Liberal slash national vote. So you've
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Speaker 7: got some complicated things going on there, Steve.
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Speaker 2: What have you made of Jess Wilson's attempts to reshape
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Speaker 2: the coalition.
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Speaker 7: I think she's the most impressive Liberal leader since Jeff Kennett.
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Speaker 7: I think that she hasn't really done anything wrong. She's
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Speaker 7: been really smart. I'm surprised all she's done. I thought
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Speaker 7: at thirty six thirty five when she took over she
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Speaker 7: would have struggled. But I think she's running running into
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Speaker 7: a headwind. And the headwind is the eleven previous years
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Speaker 7: where the Liberal Party failed so spectacularly, and so I
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Speaker 7: think there's an element of that. But I think the
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Speaker 7: Liberal Party has reason to be very positive around Wilson.
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Speaker 7: Now where is the elected at That'll be the interesting thing.
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Speaker 7: And obviously the other thing the Liberal Party has got
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Speaker 7: to contend with this one nation that will not go
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Speaker 7: well in the inner city and the middle suburbs when
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Speaker 7: Labour frames a vote for the little parties a vote
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Speaker 7: for one nation.
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Speaker 8: So it's just so complicated out there, and I.
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Speaker 7: Think it'll be a preferences free for all on election
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Speaker 7: line on November twenty eighth and they will spray everywhere
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Speaker 7: unless we see you know, what could well happen is
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Speaker 7: is that Labour's vote crashes, and that can yet happen,
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Speaker 7: but it's not at the moment. So you know, there's
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Speaker 7: just so much going on. It's very complicated, Steve.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just finally it seems.
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Speaker 2: I'm told that one nation will announce their leader deputy
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Speaker 2: in another candidate midweek next week, so three of the
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Speaker 2: One Nation candidates.
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 2: The big challenge for them, of course, is they say
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Speaker 2: they're going to stand in every seat, and we know
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Speaker 2: what happens then the quality of candidates is not always
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Speaker 2: that great, you.
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Speaker 7: Know, Steve, I don't think that's going to go to
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Speaker 7: matter as much as people think. I've spent a lot
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Speaker 7: of time in country regional Victoria in the last twelve months,
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Speaker 7: and I grew up.
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Speaker 8: I'm a country person.
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Speaker 7: I think I think there's a real switch off out there,
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Speaker 7: and I think one Nation will do well in places,
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Speaker 7: really well in some places, particularly Rule Victoria. Now, the
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Speaker 7: question is our newspoll has one Nation though back at
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Speaker 7: nineteen percent, which is on the primary. That's but it
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Speaker 7: won't matter statewide, it'll matter seat by seat. So it's
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Speaker 7: what happened happens in individual seats. This is going to
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Speaker 7: be a seat by seat campaign and I think really
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Speaker 7: watch those regions because I think that could well decide
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Speaker 7: whether or not Labor can hang on for a very
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Speaker 7: un what most people would think would been unlikely victory.
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Speaker 7: But I still think it's it's a strong possibility that
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Speaker 7: that's what could happen.
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Speaker 2: Interesting stuff. John, Thanks for joining us, mate, appreciate your
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Speaker 2: time tonight. John Ferguson their associate d of the Australian
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Speaker 2: Okay now to a man who once led the charge
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Speaker 2: for victims of crime in Victoria and his claims that,
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Speaker 2: in the context of what John and I were just
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Speaker 2: talking about, that lawlessness in Victoria is so bad that
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Speaker 2: it can only be compared to a war zone. Greg
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Speaker 2: Davies is a former police officer himself. I've interviewed him
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Speaker 2: many times in his role as boss of the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Police Association.
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Speaker 8: Greg.
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Speaker 3: Good to catch up with you.
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Speaker 2: Critics will say you're exaggerating, but I reckon your spot on.
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Speaker 1: Well. Good evening to you too, say nice to talk
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Speaker 1: to you again. I think it's important to say that
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Speaker 1: what I actually said was that we see on our
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Speaker 1: nightly news every night of the week more fire bombings,
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Speaker 1: and it's almost becoming a regular thing. And what I
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Speaker 1: said was that you only expect to see these sorts
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Speaker 1: of things occurring in war zones, so it's the only
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Speaker 1: place you see anywhere else that they happen, places like
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Speaker 1: Gaza and Ukraine, etc. So and I stand by that
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Speaker 1: because I don't see any footage of fire bombings coming
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Speaker 1: from anywhere else other than war zones.
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Speaker 2: And in Victoria, knowing I was going to talk to
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Speaker 2: you today yesterday afternoon, my years pricked up when the
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Speaker 2: lead item on the radio news last night two fourteen
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Speaker 2: year old girls crashing a stolen car, both now in
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Speaker 2: hospital fighting for their life. Fourteen years old. I mean,
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Speaker 2: going back to your policing days, and even further back
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Speaker 2: to when I was reporting on crime, it was crooks
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Speaker 2: and bank hold ups, armed robberies.
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Speaker 3: How do we get from that to.
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Speaker 2: Machete violence, home invasions, carjackings and fourteen year olds?
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Speaker 1: And that's my great concern that these things are our commonplace,
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Speaker 1: and offenders are getting younger and younger. Some of the
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Speaker 1: kids that are organizing these things, not just the ones
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Speaker 1: that are carrying them out. But some of these kids
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Speaker 1: running small time drug trafficking operations and they're thirteen and
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Speaker 1: fourteen years old and they're running these things, which means
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Speaker 1: they've got suppliers giving them or giving them, giving them
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Speaker 1: access to and selling them drugs who are and there
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Speaker 1: then on selling them to to street level traffickers. So
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Speaker 1: we're in a world of hurt at the moment. And
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Speaker 1: if we don't do something about it, if people sit
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Speaker 1: back and say, well, it doesn't affect me, I'm not
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Speaker 1: really worried about it, then the trajectory of this state
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Speaker 1: is straight down the gurglar.
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Speaker 2: I keep my eye greg on other states. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, you've got very serious Middle Eastern crime gangs
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Speaker 2: operating in Sydney. They pretty much shuit each other. But
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Speaker 2: when you look at places like Brisbane or Adelaide or
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Speaker 2: Perth anywhere else in the country. I don't see this
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Speaker 2: youth crime crisis anywhere else. Why is it happening in
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Speaker 2: one place and happens to be Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's not unreasonable to say that we've
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Speaker 1: had lots of politicians spreaking. Victoria's got the toughest bail
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Speaker 1: laws in Australia. As I said, we have things happening
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Speaker 1: in Victoria that aren't happening anywhere else in this country,
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Speaker 1: and we need tougher bail laws than everywhere else. Politicians
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Speaker 1: may think we do, but they're only tough if the
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Speaker 1: maximum the maximums are dealt with in the right way
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Speaker 1: by the courts. And if a kid who comes before
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Speaker 1: the courts is on bail for six or ten or
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Speaker 1: twenty or more different sets of bail, how can they
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Speaker 1: keep being released on bail? Now? The number one job
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Speaker 1: of not just the police, but the courts and the
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Speaker 1: government itself is to protect its community. And that's not happening.
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Speaker 1: And it's not happening because the range of sentencing and
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Speaker 1: the range of restrictions and and all of those things
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Speaker 1: that go with bail aren't being dealt with. At the
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Speaker 1: higher end, kids are being released on bail, Willie Nelly.
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Speaker 1: It's almost a rubber stamp next, rubber stamp next. That's
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Speaker 1: where that's where.
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Speaker 2: They try and use this argument that well, we can't
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Speaker 2: fill the jails up with youngsters, and then we shouldn't
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Speaker 2: be sending young teenagers to jail. But you know, if
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Speaker 2: they're attacking people with machetes, and you know in one
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Speaker 2: recent case bashing and off judy police officer, Well, you know,
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Speaker 2: a stint incarceration is exactly what they should be doing,
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Speaker 2: isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Well, in the opinion piece that I wrote, and it's
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Speaker 1: just that it's that's my opinion, it's everyone's in title
21:44
Speaker 1: of their own. But in that I wrote that everybody
21:49
Speaker 1: deserves a second chance, but there shouldn't be a second
21:53
Speaker 1: second chance. So if you if you muck up after
21:57
Speaker 1: your first chance is gone, then the next time there
22:02
Speaker 1: needs to be mandatory sentences for people, not just a
22:06
Speaker 1: slap on the wrist. That needs to be you had
22:08
Speaker 1: your chance, you knew it was coming. If you've misbehaved
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Speaker 1: criminally after that second chance had been used and you
22:16
Speaker 1: went and did it anyway, So here are the consequences.
22:20
Speaker 1: I really am tiring of hearing people say, no, one
22:23
Speaker 1: of these kids are getting away with what they're doing.
22:25
Speaker 1: There's no consequences for this incredibly violent criminal behavior. And
22:32
Speaker 1: until there is, it'll just keep happening. That's the root
22:37
Speaker 1: cause of it all. Instead of locking them up and
22:41
Speaker 1: the prison system will deal with them, and will deal
22:45
Speaker 1: with rehabilitative courses and things that can try and help
22:49
Speaker 1: these kids because they're not getting any of it outside.
22:52
Speaker 1: And until we take that tougher stand, we're in serious trouble.
22:58
Speaker 1: And I just want to mention as soon as you
23:02
Speaker 1: say the words mandatory and sentencing in the same paragraph,
23:08
Speaker 1: people fall into a faint Oh we can't have that. Well,
23:12
Speaker 1: the bad news for those people is that Victoria's had
23:14
Speaker 1: mandatory sentencing for decades. You're only going to look at
23:18
Speaker 1: the point zero five rules and you'll find that depending
23:22
Speaker 1: on the scale of your intoxication, as it rises, so
23:27
Speaker 1: does the penalties. And there's no arguing the penalty, the
23:29
Speaker 1: suspension time, it's set. That's it. So that's been perfectly
23:35
Speaker 1: acceptable for everyone in the community, including magistrates, and many
23:41
Speaker 1: magistrates I would think, are quite satisfied with that system.
23:47
Speaker 1: So if it works there, let's give it a crap. Yeah,
23:52
Speaker 1: the series is a great point because that's about all right,
23:56
Speaker 1: Good on.
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Speaker 3: You make good to catch up with you again.
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Speaker 10: Thanks.
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Speaker 2: It's a great opinion piece as well Bred Davies there
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Speaker 2: after the break, the fierce rebellion from state governments over
24:04
Speaker 2: plans to scrap the private health rebates for over sixty fives.
24:08
Speaker 2: What's the extraordinary grilling of US COVID doctor Anthony Fauci
24:12
Speaker 2: in Washington, yet no answers for Americans from him.
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Speaker 3: That's next. Welcome back to step Price with you.
24:25
Speaker 2: Let's jump straight into some of the other headlines doing
24:27
Speaker 2: the rounds today with Friday Night regular former Queensland Premier
24:30
Speaker 2: Campbell Newman, who tonight joins me in the studio. I
24:33
Speaker 2: presume you're here just to make sure that Victoria is
24:36
Speaker 2: as bad as what I've been telling you.
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Speaker 10: Well, it is bad, even there's certainly some commercial property bargains,
24:44
Speaker 10: sadly for the owners who have those buildings.
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Speaker 8: But yeah, I'm down for that.
24:48
Speaker 10: And the Libertarian National a GM tomorrow David Lindbrick Libertarian
24:53
Speaker 10: part David Lindbrick and John Ruddock is in the New
24:56
Speaker 10: South Wales Upper House.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that should be interesting. We've had a huge
24:59
Speaker 2: week in politics. I mean, you've been through it yourself.
25:02
Speaker 2: Just Cinder Allen. I couldn't believe the speech she actually
25:05
Speaker 2: made where she didn't apologize for anything, didn't admit any
25:09
Speaker 2: mistakes or any errors. Crime crisis is not her fault,
25:12
Speaker 2: the debt, the suburban all of that. She just got
25:15
Speaker 2: up there and said I did all these great things
25:18
Speaker 2: and now I'm leaving.
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Speaker 10: Title shoker mate. And what was also bad and telling
25:22
Speaker 10: was then the comment by Julia Gillard saying, oh, you know,
25:25
Speaker 10: sort of giant sexism force, like give me a break,
25:29
Speaker 10: don't play that card. I think even less of Julia
25:33
Speaker 10: Gillard as a result of that, But yeah, it was
25:34
Speaker 10: a delusional effort from the former produit.
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Speaker 2: This is what happens when Daniel Andrews was all power.
25:40
Speaker 2: I mean everything went through him, and his office controlled
25:44
Speaker 2: the state. When he decided that he was going to
25:46
Speaker 2: jump because he saw how bad things were getting, he
25:49
Speaker 2: engineered to hand the job of premier to someone of
25:53
Speaker 2: his own political faction.
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Speaker 3: And she was never qualified for the position.
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Speaker 2: She'd been minister in all of the things that had
26:01
Speaker 2: broke gone broke suburban rail at Comwealth Games, all of
26:04
Speaker 2: that stuff.
26:05
Speaker 3: She was a minister in charge. She was going to
26:07
Speaker 3: be a good premier.
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Speaker 10: One thing I don't buy though, again, is this narrative
26:11
Speaker 10: about handed a poison choller. So a woman set up
26:14
Speaker 10: to fail didn't have to be that way. She's been
26:16
Speaker 10: there for three years. Yes, you know, if she had
26:20
Speaker 10: the leadership skills and the political nous and the understanding
26:25
Speaker 10: of economics. Frankly, she could have turned Victoria around herself.
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Speaker 2: As you know as a former premier, it's often the
26:32
Speaker 2: small earth things that do you In potholed roads, I mean,
26:36
Speaker 2: the regions in this state are filthy on labor that
26:39
Speaker 2: they wasted so much money building a city project for
26:42
Speaker 2: an underground train line that no one wants that goes
26:45
Speaker 2: from somewhere you don't want to be to somewhere you
26:47
Speaker 2: don't want to go. And yet they let all the
26:49
Speaker 2: roads in Victoria fall into disrepair. The other day, was
26:54
Speaker 2: riding his pushbike along the Great Ocean Road, hit a pothole,
26:57
Speaker 2: fell off, broke his neck and he couldn't even get
26:59
Speaker 2: a bed in the Royal Melbourne Hospital has been stuck
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Speaker 2: down in Geelong.
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Speaker 10: Plan me, you know, I mean by the way I
27:04
Speaker 10: got elected, you know, as Lord Mayor of Brisbane years
27:08
Speaker 10: ago going out in filling potholes. So these small issues
27:12
Speaker 10: are ones that have great resonance with the community. Yet
27:14
Speaker 10: can be very talent just.
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Speaker 2: On a federal issue. And you know, these things get personal.
27:18
Speaker 2: I've got a mother who's in her early nineties. She's
27:22
Speaker 2: had private health insurance for entire life. She'd probably give
27:26
Speaker 2: up one meal a day to keep it, because it's
27:29
Speaker 2: an insurance policy that older people who have medical issues feel.
27:33
Speaker 3: Very strongly about.
27:34
Speaker 2: What the hell does the federal government think it's doing
27:36
Speaker 2: in dropping that small rebate for anyone over the age
27:39
Speaker 2: of sixty five.
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Speaker 10: This is crazy stuff by the Feds. And I don't
27:42
Speaker 10: know whether they've drunk their own cool aid, they've got
27:45
Speaker 10: bad advice from their bureaucrats. But by doing this, Steve,
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Speaker 10: what will happen is there will be again a vast
27:52
Speaker 10: exodus from people I believe actually who have got private
27:58
Speaker 10: health insurance standing what you've just said, and it will
28:02
Speaker 10: put the pressure straight on the states and the public
28:04
Speaker 10: hospital systec. And you know they've got huge problems there,
28:08
Speaker 10: and that's why you're seeing such fears pushback not just
28:11
Speaker 10: from LNP type states but also a labor state or two,
28:16
Speaker 10: because they know what will come, you know, and that
28:18
Speaker 10: will be this overwhelming surge of people going to.
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Speaker 2: The system exactly. The public hospital system will just be overrun.
28:25
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy, this is Mark Butler. I don't
28:28
Speaker 2: quite understand. Given the issues they've got with the NDS
28:32
Speaker 2: and crooked providers and all of that, why they would
28:34
Speaker 2: even see this. It's not going to raise them much money, Steve.
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Speaker 10: When I was in office, I was a well post.
28:39
Speaker 10: When I was in office, I was accused of having
28:41
Speaker 10: too many fights. This is another one. Frankly, they do
28:44
Speaker 10: not want to have. They do not want to have it.
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Speaker 2: It's going to cause them great pain. Just back on
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Speaker 2: Ben Carroll, he's now from the right faction of what
28:55
Speaker 2: you've seen of him so far.
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Speaker 3: Is it possible?
28:58
Speaker 2: And I was talking to John Ferguson in the Australia
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Speaker 2: then about this, Is it possible in four months to
29:02
Speaker 2: turn around the electoral fortunes.
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Speaker 10: Of I never underestimate the Australian Labor Party, Steve. I
29:08
Speaker 10: think they're a formidable campaigning machine. I think the trek
29:12
Speaker 10: here for the coalition for the Liberal Lats, and perhaps
29:17
Speaker 10: one nation is to continue to prosecute the issue that
29:20
Speaker 10: he was there around the cabinet table for twelve years.
29:24
Speaker 10: He was there when those decisions were made. And he
29:26
Speaker 10: comes out the other day and that it was quite
29:29
Speaker 10: a quite a good press conference, I thought, but making
29:32
Speaker 10: this point about integrity, but a man of integrity who
29:37
Speaker 10: really believed these were bad decisions for Victoria, who were
29:40
Speaker 10: so confronted with a result, well protectial cryption would have
29:43
Speaker 10: resigned and in fact, if you were a director on
29:46
Speaker 10: a major public company, you would have resigned. I think
29:51
Speaker 10: of you know, former Premier of New South Wales who
29:54
Speaker 10: left aboard, you know, because he.
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Speaker 2: Just shows that he doesn't have that. I mean he
30:01
Speaker 2: sat there as deputy premier. You know when Cinda Allen
30:04
Speaker 2: is saying, oh there's no problem with corruption on the
30:06
Speaker 2: big build. You know, Watson's making this stuff up. It's
30:10
Speaker 2: not fifteen billion dollars. Well, Carol's sat there going presumably.
30:14
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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Speaker 10: This comes down to how effectively that the opposition, but
30:20
Speaker 10: the Liberal Party, National Party or One Nation, can continue
30:24
Speaker 10: to prosecute.
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Speaker 8: You were there, you.
30:27
Speaker 10: Sat by, you were silent, you adopted the party line.
30:31
Speaker 10: If they can do that, well I think they complete well,
30:35
Speaker 10: but I think I don't have that.
30:38
Speaker 8: I don't have that confidence.
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Speaker 2: The coalition here has improved its social media presence very
30:44
Speaker 2: much so, and like five minutes after Cinda Allen quit
30:48
Speaker 2: they had an add out attaching Andrews and her to
30:52
Speaker 2: all of these problems that's happened. So they've got a
30:54
Speaker 2: bit of a slicker operation they normally have. So we'll
30:57
Speaker 2: wait and see. What about I mean you talk about
30:59
Speaker 2: it integrity Anthony Albanezi. He said he promised that he would
31:04
Speaker 2: go to the Garma Festival in armum Land every year.
31:08
Speaker 2: He stood up there last year recently is last year
31:10
Speaker 2: and said, you know, I'll be back. I've got your
31:14
Speaker 2: back and I'll always be here at Garma. Well he's
31:16
Speaker 2: not there, he's gone on holidays.
31:18
Speaker 8: Well yeah, are we are?
31:21
Speaker 2: We surprised to add to that sort of you know,
31:24
Speaker 2: you can't believe anything.
31:25
Speaker 10: It's like it was set on Monday, but look I've
31:29
Speaker 10: changed my opinion by Friday, or the schedule changed, the
31:33
Speaker 10: dog ate my homework.
31:34
Speaker 8: You know whatever.
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Speaker 1: It's like.
31:37
Speaker 10: I don't think the Prime Minister's word has any credibility
31:40
Speaker 10: with reasonable with some billionaires.
31:44
Speaker 3: And tell me about the Libertarian Weekend. What's it about.
31:46
Speaker 10: Well, Libertarian have their AGM here in Melbourne where we're
31:50
Speaker 10: a committed bunch of people who believe in freedom, small government,
31:54
Speaker 10: low taxes. We're a small band, but we do have
31:58
Speaker 10: two members David Linbrick at the Upper House so who
32:00
Speaker 10: will be fighting to retain his seat, and John Ruddick
32:04
Speaker 10: in New South Wales who punches above his weight as
32:06
Speaker 10: well the things that.
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Speaker 3: Can we see you back as a candidate, ste.
32:11
Speaker 8: Wash out.
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Speaker 10: Look one thing about our politician Steve across the political divide,
32:18
Speaker 10: they're not lazy. It's just that there's so many of
32:21
Speaker 10: them as a bloody hopeless they'll turn up, they work,
32:24
Speaker 10: they work.
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Speaker 8: Long hours, they're they're there and everything.
32:28
Speaker 10: I hope you give it on an envelope, but sadly
32:31
Speaker 10: there's not enough that have the policy goods, or the
32:34
Speaker 10: intellectual rigor all the integrity and commitment to do the
32:38
Speaker 10: right thing.
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Speaker 2: By us good So you get in the studio and
32:41
Speaker 2: great to be with his steat you can.
32:42
Speaker 3: We'll see you next week. After the break.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's spy campaigning on a policy of being an
32:47
Speaker 2: open and transparent government.
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Speaker 1: I just mentioned this.
32:49
Speaker 2: Not a lot of that on offer from the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister this week when he was asked about his lavish
32:53
Speaker 2: dinner with the son of a Chinese billionaire. That's after
32:56
Speaker 2: the break. Welcome back to look at those extraordinary scenes
33:03
Speaker 2: out of Morocco and that Spanish Ireland. After the break.
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Speaker 2: We've talked to Adrian Hayes in the UK. Well, if
33:09
Speaker 2: you're looking for transparency from this federal government. You might
33:12
Speaker 2: need a torch. I'm not kidding. Anthony Albanese is now
33:14
Speaker 2: under fire over reports of a secretive ten thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: ahead fundraising dinner with wealthy donors, where the guest list
33:22
Speaker 2: still under wraps largely joining me now, and this was
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Speaker 2: in the home Harveside Mansion, a home of a young
33:29
Speaker 2: blog twenty five year old. It's worth forty million in
33:31
Speaker 2: the house. His father is a Chinese billionaire. A former
33:35
Speaker 2: senator and transparency campaigner Rex Patrick joins me. Now, you've
33:39
Speaker 2: been on this for a very long time, particularly in
33:43
Speaker 2: fundraising by major parties. It's not getting any better, Rex,
33:47
Speaker 2: is it.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, we just have to make sure that there is transparency,
33:52
Speaker 9: particularly around donations, because people are quite can quite rightly
33:57
Speaker 9: ask what do people expect when they give ten thousand
34:02
Speaker 9: dollars to a political party or a politician, And all
34:07
Speaker 9: of this tends to take place in total darkness, with
34:10
Speaker 9: a declaration that follows sometime well after the election.
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Speaker 8: Normally.
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Speaker 2: Yes, even if we find out where this money came from,
34:19
Speaker 2: how much it was, and what it's going to be
34:21
Speaker 2: used for, we're not going to find out till April
34:23
Speaker 2: next year, which is your point. But for our audience,
34:26
Speaker 2: here's the Prime Minister Rex trying to dodge his way
34:30
Speaker 2: around questions about who was at the dinner and what
34:33
Speaker 2: was it for?
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Speaker 10: Did you attend a dinner at the home of Felix
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Speaker 10: Lee in Point Piper.
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Speaker 3: I attend lots of functions.
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Speaker 5: I attend lots of functions in lots of places, including
34:44
Speaker 5: last night right here.
34:45
Speaker 3: What about this dinner at Point Pipe? I tend lots
34:48
Speaker 3: of functions.
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Speaker 1: You want to well, I do you've just said that
34:53
Speaker 1: that occurred?
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Speaker 3: You know that's fine. I tend lots of dinners in
34:58
Speaker 3: lots of places.
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Speaker 2: David Spears tried his hardest, Rex, but he didn't get
35:02
Speaker 2: very far with Anthony Albanezi. He just doesn't want to
35:05
Speaker 2: talk about it.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's part of the problem here. One of
35:08
Speaker 9: the things I'm calling for is the proactive release diary
35:12
Speaker 9: of ministry or diaries, so we can see exactly who
35:16
Speaker 9: is influencing our Prime minister. Diaries are released in the state,
35:21
Speaker 9: so in New South Wales, in Queensland, the Act and
35:24
Speaker 9: so forth. In the federal domain. There's been significant resistance
35:30
Speaker 9: in relation to this. Now the Prime minister might might
35:33
Speaker 9: well say that he went to this dinner as the
35:37
Speaker 9: leader of the Labor Party, but in actual fact, all
35:40
Speaker 9: the people that went to eat dinner and pay their money,
35:43
Speaker 9: they absolutely went to see the Prime Minister of Australia.
35:46
Speaker 9: So it's always very gray and fuzzy, and the best
35:51
Speaker 9: thing to happen here is for there to be transparency.
35:54
Speaker 9: And I can tell you I've actually done an FOI
35:56
Speaker 9: in relation to this, because I also want to know
35:58
Speaker 9: how he got to Sydney, how we left Sydney. Was
36:02
Speaker 9: he using the vip jets to get him to a
36:06
Speaker 9: place where he in effect then uses his status as
36:12
Speaker 9: the Prime minister to draw in funds for a political party.
36:16
Speaker 9: All of that's got to be sorted out.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, I mean this digital age rex, I mean
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Speaker 2: we could have these donations put up on a website
36:26
Speaker 2: straight away. Why do we need to wait until next
36:28
Speaker 2: April to find out how much it was?
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Speaker 9: Well, there are laws in play now that are can
36:33
Speaker 9: try and bring about real time disclosure. There is no
36:36
Speaker 9: reason why this can't be disclosed. We want to be
36:39
Speaker 9: able to see any politician, no matter whether they're Greens
36:43
Speaker 9: or Independence or Labor or Liberal understanding who is putting
36:49
Speaker 9: money into these campaigns, the companies themselves or the individuals themselves,
36:56
Speaker 9: or to be disclosed in real time.
36:59
Speaker 2: Rex, thanks for that. Get you back in a couple
37:00
Speaker 2: of weeks with your position as a sub mariner. We'll
37:03
Speaker 2: talk submarines. Good to catch up with you again. That's
37:05
Speaker 2: Rex Patrick, former South Australian Senator. Let's cross the UK
37:08
Speaker 2: now where there's been some extraordinary footage overnight out of
37:12
Speaker 2: Morocco refugees illegally crossing the border into the Spanish territory.
37:17
Speaker 2: Frightening wave of desperate men. I know, no women, no
37:20
Speaker 2: children that I could see. They were chaotic and confronting
37:23
Speaker 2: scenes which have really underscored the illegal migrant problems across
37:27
Speaker 2: the continent. You can see it there, I mean shirtless
37:30
Speaker 2: men running into Spanish territory. Friday Night Regular and News
37:36
Speaker 2: twenty four contribute. Adrian Hayes joins me. Those were terrifying scenes.
37:40
Speaker 2: I mean the first thing I thought of, Adrian, knowing
37:42
Speaker 2: I was going to talk to you about this. Where
37:45
Speaker 2: do they all end up? I mean they get over
37:47
Speaker 2: that fence or around the border, they go to this
37:50
Speaker 2: small community. Where are they now?
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Speaker 9: Yeah?
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Speaker 8: Gona and Steve Yes.
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Speaker 11: This is where human rights, industry and ideology cause chaos.
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Speaker 11: Drew Sanchez, government of the Socialist Government of Spain. First
38:03
Speaker 11: he gave an amnestea to illegal immigrants back in April,
38:07
Speaker 11: and then just earlier this month gave a ruling a
38:11
Speaker 11: Supreme court said that people illegal immigrants crossing by sea
38:16
Speaker 11: could not be turned back. So on the Spanish enclaves
38:20
Speaker 11: of felt and Malila, You've had a few trickles since
38:23
Speaker 11: this was released a few weeks ago, and then just
38:27
Speaker 11: yesterday forty nine thousand plus came into and it is
38:31
Speaker 11: it's illegal immigrants invading a Spanish enclave. There's only eighty
38:35
Speaker 11: four thousand people live there anyway, so they've got themselves
38:38
Speaker 11: in a right pickle.
38:39
Speaker 8: Where will they end up?
38:40
Speaker 11: Well, normally illegal immigrants coming into these enclaves are transported
38:44
Speaker 11: to Spain, but I even think Spain can't even manage
38:46
Speaker 11: this numbers.
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Speaker 8: So it is a crisis, but a crisis caused by
38:50
Speaker 8: their own doing.
38:53
Speaker 4: Well.
38:53
Speaker 2: One of the other problems I'm in. Nigel Faraj from
38:55
Speaker 2: the Reform Parties is talked about this today. You've seen
38:59
Speaker 2: I know that often when you get a lot of
39:01
Speaker 2: these people illagle margarants out of Africa and they make
39:04
Speaker 2: mainland Europe. The Italians wave them through, the French waved
39:08
Speaker 2: them through the Germans. You know, they end up in
39:11
Speaker 2: Germany and then they end up in the UK. That's
39:13
Speaker 2: the problem, isn't it.
39:15
Speaker 8: That's the problem. And you said you put them nil
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Speaker 8: on the head.
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Speaker 11: Look, Spain, France and most of the European countries are
39:21
Speaker 11: no friends of the UK and they want to punish
39:24
Speaker 11: us for Brexit, basically is ten years ago now, so
39:27
Speaker 11: there's no reason to keep them in these countries. But
39:31
Speaker 11: of course there's another factor, which is the pull factor,
39:33
Speaker 11: because these countries do not give these illegal immigrants the
39:37
Speaker 11: benefits that the UK does, and that's why there's this
39:40
Speaker 11: huge rush to get to the coast of France Calais
39:43
Speaker 11: and then cross the channel in these small but increasingly
39:48
Speaker 11: large boats. But Europe, I'm hoping on a positive sense
39:51
Speaker 11: that this will be a wake up call for the
39:52
Speaker 11: whole of Europe that they have to get sort out
39:55
Speaker 11: this illegal immigration problem because open borders, of this ideology,
39:59
Speaker 11: just cause this is absolute chaos and it will cause
40:01
Speaker 11: society to break down. Without over dramatizing, well.
40:06
Speaker 2: You're not over dramatizing, because we've seen exactly that's happened
40:09
Speaker 2: in the UK since I spoke to you last because
40:11
Speaker 2: I've been away for a few weeks. You've got a
40:13
Speaker 2: new Prime Minister, Andy Burnham. What's he going to be
40:16
Speaker 2: like on this issue of the boats coming across the
40:19
Speaker 2: English Channel from Calais and the number of illegals who
40:22
Speaker 2: are getting into Britain. I don't get a sense, maybe
40:26
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, that he's going to be particularly tough on this.
40:30
Speaker 11: Yeah, in the first two weeks and he's put up,
40:32
Speaker 11: you know, some good policies. He's come in trying to
40:34
Speaker 11: create a positive agenda. But this issue, and it is
40:39
Speaker 11: the biggest single issue amongst working class Brits, about most Brits,
40:43
Speaker 11: is one he prefer.
40:44
Speaker 8: Not to deal with.
40:46
Speaker 11: His response to President Trump's urging to get control of
40:50
Speaker 11: this says that progress is being made. But we had
40:53
Speaker 11: seven hundred and fifty illegals across the channel yesterday and
40:58
Speaker 11: I think a total of seventy nine one thousand of
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Speaker 11: coss since the Labor government came to power two years ago.
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Speaker 11: It's a problem that will not go away and it's
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Speaker 11: only going to be achieved by strong leadership, courageous acts,
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Speaker 11: and some efforts and actions which the left wing of
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Speaker 11: the Labor Party will not really find fatal with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really get worried when he says progress is
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Speaker 2: being made.
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Speaker 8: Yeah right.
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Speaker 3: Oh, it's good to catch up, Adrian. I'll catch up
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Speaker 3: with you in a couple of weeks.