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PODCAST: Episode 805 - Frederic Leclerc of Sinsaenum Overcomes Tragedy with the Power of Death Metal · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  So I started writing the music in 2019, and at the time
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  everybody was still alive. So, you know, good times.
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  So I was. So I wrote a good batch of the
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  music. And then after that I lost my
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  father. And that left me pretty well
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  completely empty when it comes to, you know, music in general.
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  Like you just like you switch priorities in life and see
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  what's important and what's not. And this music was not, it is
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  important, but it's just like, what is it compared to the loss
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  of, of a parent, you know, parent.
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  So I, I was hoping I would be able to translate that into
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  music like, you know, innocently.
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  I'm just like, oh, you know, this is another like when you're
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  sad, when you're 16, your girlfriend left you and you're
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  like, I'm going to write that song about her because I'm sad.
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  But this was not like that. There was nothing coming out.
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  And then, and then Joey left us a few months after that and I
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  was just another we, we talked with the rest of the band and we
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  said we're going to dedicate the album to Joey because he came up
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  with the name. That gave me the sort of like a
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  motivation to carry on. And luckily, like I said, most
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  of the stuff was written beforehand, so all I had to do
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  was just carry on and finish, you know?
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  But I don't think I would have been able in 21 to just start
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  from scratch because it's just like, you know, it takes time.
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  Grieving takes a lot of time. And I'm still in the process.
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  And so, so yeah, happy times. What's up
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  everybodyitskeith@ghostcodemag.com I am super stoked to be hanging
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  out with Frederick Lacruk today. You know him from Dragon Forest
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  and Creator, but also we're going to talk about the new
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  album in devastation from since Anum.
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  I'm practicing that name a bunch of times.
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  I hope I didn't say it wrong. I've been Oh.
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  You did, you did good like during it.
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  So I'm just like, I always going to see that and see them and
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  see. Yeah, yeah.
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  No, that's good since anum that's oh, really, but.
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  Yeah, yeah. So 1st and foremost, you know,
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  what a, what a banger of an album.
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  You know, I was looking forward to this for a long time.
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  The announcement was, you know, really put a smile on my face.
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  And then this album is, you know, it's a, it's a lot to take
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  in, but it's awesome. It's definitely one of my
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  favorite heavy releases of the year.
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  But it's based on, you know, it comes from a place of a lot of
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  tragedy for you. And, you know, I'm very sorry
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  for your losses. Even the last record had Shawn
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  Reinert, who passed away. We've been talking a lot about
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  him on the channel and on the website lately because
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  Gruesome's whole new album is about Sean and a lot of, you
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  know, obviously a big tribute to death in general.
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  So you know, I'm sorry for what you've been through, but I hope
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  it was therapeutic for you to make this record and dedicate it
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  to those who you've missed. It's not quite to make the album
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  as much as doing interviews for for it because quite frankly.
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  So I started writing the music in 2019 and at the time
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  everybody was still alive. So, you know, good times.
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  So I was. So I wrote a good batch of the
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  music. And then after that I lost my
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  father. And that left me pretty well
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  completely empty when it comes to, you know, music in general.
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  Like you just like you switch priorities in life and see
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  what's important and what's not. And this music was not, it is
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  important, but it's just like, what is it compared to the loss
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  of, of a parent, you know, parent.
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  So that just I, I was hoping I would be able to translate that
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  into music like, you know, innocently.
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  I'm just like, oh, you know, this is another like when you're
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  sad, when, you know, when you're 16, your girlfriend left you and
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  you're like, I'm going to write that song about her because I'm
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  sad. But this was not like that.
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  There was nothing coming out. And then and then Joey left us a
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  few months after that. And it was just another, you
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  know, and then we decided to we, we talked with the rest of the
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  band and we said, we're going to dedicate the album to Joey
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  because he came up with the name that you were about to you were
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  able to pronounce correctly. By the way.
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  I wanted to stress that again. And so that that gave me the
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  sort of like a motivation to carry on.
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  And luckily, like I said, most of the stuff was written
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  beforehand, so all I had to do was just carry on and finish,
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  you know? But I don't think I would have
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  been able in 21 to just start from scratch because it's just
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  like, you know, it takes time. Grieving takes a lot of time.
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  And I'm still in the process. And so, so yeah, happy times.
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  Well, I think it's a, you know, unfortunately part of the our
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  human makeup is that, you know, we, we attach to things and
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  then, you know, people, things, places, memories, and then they
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  leave. We lose them invariably or they
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  lose us. Right.
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  Yeah. And so it's been on one hand, as
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  a huge fan of Joey and all his work, you know, it's, it's hard.
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  The years go by. It's the same thing, like I
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  said, with Sean, who was a big supporter of ghost call early on
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  and you know, and you with a personal loss.
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  We've all kind of been there. So, you know, but I think with
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  Joey, it's nice to see these things done in his name, done
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  with him in mind. So many projects popping up and
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  and paying tribute, which is really nice.
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  And, and I'm sure for for Andre coming in and playing drums, not
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  an easy throne to fill, but what a job he has done.
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  Yeah, yeah, I think so. That's the good thing.
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  Like Andre, for those who don't know was the but I probably know
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  that he was the drum tech on the Sinsenum tour.
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  So you could see Joey perform everyday and he would actually
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  jump on stage with us and do percussions on the song Final
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  Resolve. So when the time when we
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  decided, OK, let's carry on, you know, and we're just wondering
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  who we're going to work with, you know, then we talked about
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  it and I guess it made total sense to keep, to keep it in the
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  family, so to say, like Anthrax would say.
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  And yeah. And, and I guess, yeah, it was,
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  it was like a perfect choice because I like to work with like
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  people I trust, people I know, friends.
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  And that's, that's how, that's how Sinsellum started.
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  That's also how my hero started. And that's how Shawn Reinert
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  ended up playing one of his last thing, you know, with us with
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  Anna Hero, because he was supposed to do the album and he
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  just, he couldn't make the whole thing.
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  But at least he just gave us one song, which you saw, you know,
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  you have it, you can keep it for free and rest is history.
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  But so, yeah, keeping in the in the family was was important.
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  And yeah. And obviously Andre is a very
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  good drummer, which is also important, you know, but we
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  could we could have also like as someone like very famous and
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  keep going in that sort of super group, blah, blah, blah, which
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  I've always hated anyway. So.
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  So yeah, keeping in the family was important.
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  And I guess it is a pressure for him and I've never seen it that
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  way because I'm just focused on all the other aspects of the
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  band. So yes, sometimes people are
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  just, that must be very difficult for him.
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  Now, I realise doing all these interviews and him sometimes
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  going, you know, he felt the pressure obviously, but I was
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  just not really paying attention to him because to me he was
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  doing, he is doing such a, you know, a terrific job.
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  Then I didn't even occur to me that, yes, he's replacing Joey
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  Jordison, you know, which is a, you know, big shoes to fit in.
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  But he's been doing it perfectly.
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  Here comes hat #1 but it's just because I was complimenting him
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  on the infectious group hat. But I'm not going to keep it.
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  I'm just putting that. That's it.
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  I love. Only I only found two, Yeah.
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  Oh, OK, I love creator and I'm I'm super glad you're you're
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  working out there. I really didn't want to.
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  I didn't want to do self promotion.
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  It's really literally just that one and the second one, I'm just
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  going to wear it now. It's fucking.
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  That's it. Hey, it's me.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yes, yeah.
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  So that those are like they're not nearly as good as your
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  infectious group. Well.
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  I got very lucky to see them last year.
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  It looks like they're playing a few more shows soon, so that's
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  nice. Anyway, sorry.
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  No, it's OK. You know, kind of in a similar
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  way this band has come together kind of like an infectious
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  grooves, right? I love that.
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  I love the mix between Sean and Attila, right, because, you
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  know, 2 very different vocalist, but you know, under the same
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  umbrella. But such a great set of
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  performances. You know, did you come in kind
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  of in, as you're, you know, writing this material for a long
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  time and, and people, you know, also, you know, your, your
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  guitar work is always very well respected and people always are,
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  you know, complimenting your guitar playing and, and writing.
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  And did you write in mind with each vocalist or just kind of,
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  you know, made all the material and then said here, pick this?
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  For for the first album, it was written, we've shown in mind up
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  to a certain point when when Joey mentioned like how about
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  asking Attila and Attila just had just met him like a few
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  months prior. And I was just like, we, we
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  really like we really got along. And so I was just like, yeah,
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  fuck yeah, that's awesome. You know, I never really was not
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  in my, you know, on my spectrum, on my radar.
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  But yeah, that'd be awesome. So then with that in mind, I I
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  wrote the song on found this out.
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  Thomas. I'm talking about the first one
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  with that part just about, you know, I with his vocals in mind,
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  with his voice in mind for this album when I started writing the
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  music. No, I, because he, he was not
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  very present on the second one, because, you know, he stepped,
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  he stepped down a bit. He's still part of the band,
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  part of the family, you know, rather than band, you know.
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  So he was on the Reportion for Humanity.
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  He, he, he sang on three songs, I believe, I think.
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  And he couldn't do the live shows apart from two.
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  He was there in Budapest and he was there in in Norway and so on
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  the on the third album, I was just like, well, you know, it's
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  it's going to be the same. I guess he's going to we'll see
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  when he when he's available and whatnot.
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  This is not the priority. And then obviously when when we
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  decided to carry on, we contacted him and we said like,
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  OK, the album is going to be, you know, also like a tribute to
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  Joey as well. And it makes total sense for
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  you. And he was just like, yeah,
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  yeah, bro. Absolutely.
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  That's how he says bro, yeah, bro.
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  So. So I'm just like, yeah, fuck
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  yeah, Just like, yeah, I sing as much as you want.
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  And he was like, yeah, well, try to define what you prefer
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  because we had to do that. You know, everybody had to do
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  that because I was always on tour.
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  So there was not a chance like we had done in the past until I
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  would fly in, in Paris or somewhere I was.
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  And then I would be conducting him, which was always fun to do,
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  but this time it was more like he he had to do it like remote.
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  And so I, I define certain places.
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  We became that they became obvious once, Yeah, once I knew
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  that he was going to be there just like, well, yes, this is
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  definitely your part. This is we're going to benefit
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  so much from having you there. And then, you know, together
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  with the lyrics coming and just like, OK, that's.
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  So the very beginning. Nothing was in mind other than,
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  you know, Sean's going to sing and then we'll see how it goes.
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  But then when when everybody was on board and it was time to
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  carry on and finish the songs, it all made total sense.
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  And I hope that answer made sense as well.
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  Probably didn't. So good.
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  I I feel like, yeah, Sean, by the way, if people missed the
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  new Comeback Doth album last year, you should go get that
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  because his performance on that was also amazing.
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  And Attila, I just feel like would be so much fun to to write
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  with and and work with in the studio.
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  He's definitely it's that the the person Attila is not the
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  stage performer in Mayhem. People, I think, probably get
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  that wrong, you know, and expect like a very serious and and, you
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  know, emotionless kind of conduit of a person, but
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  couldn't be further from the truth.
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  Such a fun guy. Yeah, we all have like a
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  different facade, you know? Like obviously if you see Atila
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  on stage, you go like, Oh my God, you know, And it's very far
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  from from the person that is, you know, and it's the same with
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  me. You see like, oh, it's, you
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  know, when I do interviews, I'm always like most of the time,
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  apart from when I started to do those interviews for the for the
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  band, for this album, because that was, it was horrible
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  talking about my father and Joey.
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  And it was just like, it was dragging, you know.
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  But eventually, like I said, now I'm, you know, I'm at peace with
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  that. And so people would think that
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  I'm just, oh, you know, he doesn't care, he's happy, he's
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  making fun, you know, blah, blah.
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  But I'm, I'm actually also different and on stage and in
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  life and sometimes, and, you know, and Joey was the same, you
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  know, Joey was actually like, you would see him like a, you
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  know, very serious, like drummer and he had an attitude when he
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  was doing interviews and whatnot, but he was just like
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  such a sweetheart and whatnot. So it's always interesting, like
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  the difference between, you know, a character that you want
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  to put out and I'm not, by the way, I'm not like like
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  pretending to be something right now.
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  This is part of my I, I never do.
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  I never play a role when I when I do interviews or I try not to,
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  but I don't see the point of being like we are making a death
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  metal album and we try to. This one is called devastation
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  because we want to destroy mankind with our Sonic BLOB.
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  Fuck off. You know, it's it's not, it
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  doesn't matter. You know, it's just, I'm just,
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  I'm just the way I am. But also, there's like more to
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  me than just this. And what I was trying to say is
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  just like, it's the same with Atila and it was the same with
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  Joey. And it's the same with with all
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  of us, with you, with your light in the back.
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  You know you're not that. You know that guy with that
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  light in the back that we keep seeing.
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  No I I get criticized for I smile and talk and laugh too
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  much to be a serious metalhead apparently.
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  Don't ever read your YouTube comments, but I read all.
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  Of them, Oh God, no, no, we were we were talking about it like
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  not so long ago with Miller. We were in studio and I was I
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  was about to release the first song like in devastation and he
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  was just like, do not, you know, do not read the comments.
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  And I'm like, I know, but you can't help it.
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  You have to read the comments and people are just like, you
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  know, they don't care. They're just like behind their
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  their, you know, keyboard and scream and they like he's got a
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  suffocation shirt on, but he smiles and he has an infectious
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  groove. He doesn't know anything about
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  real death metal was an asshole. Plus he's got like a pink light
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  in on his bed while loser. Exactly.
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  All the time. That's exactly it.
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  Yeah. Well, I.
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  Mean, let's see, let's see what those guys do.
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  What do they do? Nothing.
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  It's always somebody like, like who doesn't do anything.
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  I'm not, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised.
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  I'd rather be out in the world doing.
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  I also played in bands for a long time, you know, like I do
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  other things beside this. But yeah, man, what a what a
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  killer album. And you know, of course, I
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  wanted to ask also what contributions Stephanie and
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  Hymuth made also to, you know, if they just came in and
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  performed what you wrote, did they get to put in some of their
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  own parts? I guess, I guess so I write most
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  of the material, if not everything when it comes to
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  music. But they they always come with
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  their own twist, you know, like because they have like a strong
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  personality when it comes to to their instrument.
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  So things change because it's not like it's never like set in
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  stone. It is like, this is what it is.
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  But I'm also not just like idly. And so it's just like, you know,
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  it comes and just like it benefits from everybody's
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  interpretation. Same with Shawn or, or, or
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  Andre, you know, it's just this is this is what I had in mind.
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  But also I am not. So I guess for guitar and bass,
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  it's a little different because I am a drummer.
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  I mean, I mean, I'm a guitar player and a bass player, so I
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  know what I want. But for the drums, you know, I'm
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  like any any other guitar player I'm doing.
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  And then the drummer goes like, Nope, this is not humanly
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  possible. This has to be like this.
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  I'm like, Are you sure it sounds better on my demo?
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  No, goes like this. OK, fine.
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  And then you the the whole album is ruined because you really
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  want it now. I'm kidding, but but yeah, so
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  this is, you know, the, the they they, they put their own
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  contribution. Same with shown.
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  You know, just like he needs to breathe and he it's going to
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  pronounce it in a different way and it comes with a different
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  pattern by mistake. I'm just like, wow, this is
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  actually better. So that's, you know, happy, I
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  guess happy mistakes, happy contributions makes it like the
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  album that it is. But it's mainly, I mean, just,
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  you know, it is mainly. Well, it's, you know, it's, it
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  is a little bit of, you know, let it go, right?
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  They're not your children, your songs, but you wrote it and you,
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  you heard them in your head a certain way.
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  And then, you know, they do get interpreted, right?
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  They get played a certain way. Somebody's hands on a fret board
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  or somebody's, you know, their, their, their approach is always
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  going to put their own little stamp on it.
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  That wasn't what you did. But I'm glad that you feel free
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  enough and trust them enough to to let them, because you know,
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  some people can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  No, I mean, you know, and sometimes you, you just do
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  things also, like I've done in the past as well, it's sometimes
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  easier to do things yourself. You know, you, you save time.
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  So certain parts you do everything, you go, ah, that's
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  fine. And then, you know, you delegate
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  and whatnot. I guess what matters the most at
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  the end is the end result. So, you know, if we, if you
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  benefit from the others, that's great.
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  And and here we go. Right on.
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  Do you have a favorite track on the record?
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  I think mine so far is Buried Alive.
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  It's all strong. I love all of it, but I think I
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  keep coming back to that one. Funny, those like Buried Alive
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  and Spiritual Lies almost didn't make it on the album.
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  And yeah, yeah, I mean, so I've been working on those songs.
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  We've been working on those songs for, like I said, seven
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  years or so. So it's a love and hate
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  relationship. Some of the songs just like,
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  doesn't even make sense anymore. I fucking hate that song.
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  And then I know it's actually great.
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  And you know, Buried Alive. Buried Alive was supposed to be
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  #2 on the album for a long time. I had like I remember mowing the
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  lawn and listening to the album from the from the 156th time and
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  all like the demos at the time and going like, OK, the album
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  was supposed to start differently.
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  They had like a instrumental intro and then a song.
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  These two songs you're making on the album, They are we keep them
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  for like maybe an EP or of some sort, I don't know.
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  But it felt like it was like a maybe like a step back and
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  sounded be too old anyway. You don't it's irrelevant to
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  talk about these songs because no one knows them apart from me.
• 19:07
  But and Buried Alive was coming as a number 2.
• 19:10
  And then I was like, Oh, this is cool.
• 19:12
  And then when we once we got rid of those songs, just like maybe
• 19:16
  Buried Alive doesn't. Maybe it sounds too much like
• 19:19
  Fear Factory and maybe that solo, I don't know, that solo
• 19:23
  has too much of A dying back there or vibe to it.
• 19:26
  Is it really us? But then it goes into like some
• 19:29
  like Pestilence vibe and fuck, maybe, you know.
• 19:33
  And I ask everybody because I ask their opinion also for track
• 19:36
  list because sometimes I'm just like, I'm overwhelmed.
• 19:38
  I'm like guys, I have no idea. What do you think?
• 19:41
  Same thing. There was another song I was
• 19:43
  adamant has to be on the album. It's awesome.
• 19:46
  I fucking love it. It's great.
• 19:47
  No one, no one in the band, like no one in the band.
• 19:50
  Just like, not that one. I'm just like, really, you guys
• 19:53
  know. OK, fine.
• 19:54
  And so that's how we ended up with Buried Alive.
• 19:57
  And now it makes total sense when I listen to you.
• 19:59
  Just like, yeah, I'm glad they, you know, they picked that one,
• 20:01
  but I'm glad you like it. My favorite is, I don't know, I
• 20:07
  have no idea. I think, I think I still love.
• 20:12
  Obsolete and broken. I think it's great.
• 20:15
  But now that we've done a video for it, it's just like it has
• 20:18
  that much exposure, exposure that maybe, you know, I would
• 20:22
  prefer. Like it's something that's more
• 20:23
  obscure than no one's been mentioning.
• 20:25
  So I'm just waiting on everybody's input and then I
• 20:28
  will come up with like, well, actually everybody was wrong
• 20:31
  because my favorite is that's how I like to be.
• 20:35
  I like this wretched world. I think that's a cool song as
• 20:38
  well. It has that sort of like Ashes
• 20:40
  from our EP Ashes has that vibe and is like a lot of it's a long
• 20:45
  solo intricate and it's kind of cool.
• 20:47
  But I like, I like them all and I hate them all.
• 20:50
  Such as the battle of being an artist in 2025, right?
• 20:53
  Go love, hate. Or just, you know, just kind of
• 20:56
  like by the time a record is done, it's like, okay, I don't
• 20:59
  unless we're going to play these live, I don't need to hear this
• 21:01
  anymore. Yeah, so I can.
• 21:03
  Relate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:04
  I heard them for so long as well, like 7 years.
• 21:07
  Like, you know, there was like some, some, some moments I was
• 21:11
  just like, is it worth even, you know, and plus plus the fact
• 21:14
  that I was depressed and still am.
• 21:15
  So you, you know, you go through phases of just like joy.
• 21:18
  And then so I was telling a friend the other day I was just
• 21:21
  like, yeah, depression going through phases.
• 21:24
  And he was like, no, this is like, what's the word?
• 21:27
  Oh, God, man, I wanted to sound intelligent and now I forgot the
• 21:31
  name. When you're bipolar, it's like,
• 21:33
  no, this is bipolarity. I'm like, OK, all right, well,
• 21:37
  that's what I am then I guess maybe the.
• 21:40
  But I guess, yeah, I'm going through like I've been going
• 21:42
  through different motions. But I think depression is kind
• 21:45
  of like that too, you know, maybe a waves of depressions.
• 21:48
  Yeah, waves, that makes a lot of sense.
• 21:50
  How did you do with the Aussie news?
• 21:51
  Man, I took it really hard. I still AM.
• 21:54
  I we, we had to do a show the same day and someone told us
• 21:58
  like 5 minutes before going on stage.
• 22:00
  And I was fucking weird because I, you know, obviously I grew up
• 22:04
  listening to his music, but also I knew that he was old.
• 22:07
  And, you know, I guess once you start the note, I don't, you
• 22:11
  know, it's sad when people die. But once you start losing
• 22:14
  parents and whatnot, you have like you distance yourself from
• 22:17
  someone you, you've, you've met only once or twice, which I did,
• 22:21
  you know, I did US fest and I, I went to see him when he was with
• 22:25
  Gus G and I, we never really spoken more than just like, hey,
• 22:29
  and seeing him in the, you know, passing by, But, and also, so
• 22:32
  that's my story with him, like on the personal level, but as a,
• 22:36
  as a kid, you know, listening to that and the bark of the moon
• 22:41
  tour with the, you know, Salt Lake City with Jakey Lee and
• 22:44
  revelations and creating all those images.
• 22:46
  And I love the album Osmosis. So all of that comes, you know,
• 22:51
  and it's sad. And at the same time you see
• 22:53
  that he was, he was old and, you know, maybe it's better this way
• 22:56
  because, you know, at least he got to say goodbye.
• 22:58
  And it's, but it's, it's very sad.
• 23:00
  And he was like such an icon for the, for the style that we're
• 23:03
  making, you know, for the, the style of music we're playing.
• 23:06
  And but yeah, it was very hard that day when we had to go on
• 23:11
  stage like right after we're just like, you know, is
• 23:15
  something, Ah, you know, so it is A and and I guess, you know,
• 23:19
  in this day and age, you just like people talk about it all
• 23:22
  the time. So all you see on social media
• 23:25
  is that as well. So just like keeps like, you
• 23:27
  know, rehashing the I guess it's meant well, but it's also like
• 23:31
  it's overwhelming sometimes. But it's sad because he was
• 23:35
  indeed such a such an icon. And like I said, osmosis.
• 23:38
  Such a great album. Amazing.
• 23:40
  Yeah. A lot of people don't don't
• 23:42
  appreciate that the whole record enough.
• 23:44
  It's really fantastic. Perfect.
• 23:46
  And it's just like when it came out, I was a little disappointed
• 23:49
  because you would like go from like a hard song and then a
• 23:51
  ballad and then another ballad and then some.
• 23:53
  It was not that many like evil stuff because I was I was very
• 23:57
  evil at the time. But but now none that I listened
• 24:01
  to the album. You had such a such a vibe, like
• 24:03
  a midday mid 90s vibe. Love it.
• 24:06
  So yeah, Thunder. Thunder Underground is a very
• 24:09
  underrated song. Kind of reminds me of like a
• 24:11
  Pantera song. So kind of interesting years
• 24:13
  later that Zach would go on to do that.
• 24:16
  Just so In Devastation's coming out soon, what do you have?
• 24:19
  What else can you talk about that's going on either with the
• 24:22
  band or you know, what's coming up for you?
• 24:24
  Well, we, we're going to do a bunch of shows in, in Europe for
• 24:30
  a start, because you know, I'm very busy with creator.
• 24:34
  We've been recording an album with creator and, and there's a
• 24:38
  movie coming out as well. We in in Germany for now and
• 24:42
  we'll see if it comes out. That'd be nice if it would come
• 24:45
  out everywhere, but this is not in our hands anymore.
• 24:48
  So so I'm very busy. So we just we since Anam album
• 24:54
  out on the 8th of August, some shows in October and I need some
• 24:59
  rest man, I'm exhausted. Like I'm always on tour with
• 25:03
  creator and this is awesome and I don't want to complain about
• 25:07
  because I'm doing exactly what I wanted to do when I was a kid,
• 25:10
  but man, fuck. Like right now I need, I need
• 25:14
  like 2 to have a, I need to have a little, a little break.
• 25:18
  That'd be nice. So that's that's my plan right
• 25:20
  now. You've been terrific.
• 25:22
  I really appreciate the time. Congratulations on the new
• 25:25
  album. Great to see you again my
• 25:26
  friend. Thank you very much.
• 25:28
  Be safe on the road and we'll be looking forward to all the new
• 25:30
  things from you too. Thanks.
• 25:31
  Thank you very much, next time I will try to have like a better
• 25:34
  fucking hat and congratulation on that pink light.
• 25:37
  I hope you two people will not comment too harsh on this, I
• 25:41
  will have. AI will have a worse hat next
• 25:44
  time. And bad lighting, I promise.
• 25:46
  OK, perfect. Looking forward to see you.
• 25:48
  Take care.