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Music star sex freak R. Kelly $300K debt, sex tape woes, 10 CTS sex abuse & can't make bail · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Will he beat the rat Again? What we have learned
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Speaker 1: from two sources who are familiar with the ongoings of
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Speaker 1: the case is that there has been an indictment filed
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Speaker 1: on Robert SERVESTL Kelly, also known of course worldwide as
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Speaker 1: the R and B singer R. Kelly. What we have
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Speaker 1: learned over time is we first reported about the grand
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Speaker 1: jury that had convened. We understand that that grand jury
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Speaker 1: actually convened last week, it also convened this week, and
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Speaker 1: that some of this has to do with the women
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Speaker 1: that have come forward accusing him of some kind of
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Speaker 1: sexual abuse. We also know that last week Attorney Michael
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Speaker 1: Avanatti was able to hand over a tape to the
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Speaker 1: States Attorney's office here in Chicago, indeed, the Cook County
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Speaker 1: States Attorney's Office, as we understand it now from two sources,
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Speaker 1: has indicted R. Kelly. We do not yet know, and
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Speaker 1: we are efforting trying to get a hold of the
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Speaker 1: indictment to find out exactly what he has been indicted with.
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Speaker 1: But this is a huge development. As you know, R
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Speaker 1: Kelly back in two thousand and eight went to trial.
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Speaker 1: He was to trial on fourteen counts of child pornography.
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Speaker 1: He was acquitted in that trial. And in that trial
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Speaker 1: there was also physical evidence, including a tape videotape that
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Speaker 1: prosecutors at the time says was a girl that was
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Speaker 1: thirteen years or fourteen years old and R Kelly involved
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Speaker 1: in sexual acts that had been recorded by r Kelly.
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Speaker 1: But he was acquitted on those charges because the jury
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Speaker 1: said they simply could not positively beyond a reasonable doubt
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Speaker 1: and being able to identify R Kelly or the girl,
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Speaker 1: even though they brought a lot of witnesses to say otherwise.
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Speaker 1: There were witnesses in that particular case that said opposite things,
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Speaker 1: and so the jury just was not able to go
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Speaker 1: forward with a conviction. R Kelly has always maintained that
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Speaker 1: he is innocent of all the charges and accusations that
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Speaker 1: have been coming at him for the past twenty years.
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Speaker 1: Now Here we are in twenty nineteen, eleven years after
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Speaker 1: that case went to trial and he was acquitted, we
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Speaker 1: are seeing now more charges against singer r Kelly. You
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Speaker 1: hear from our friends Sirius Seidner. R Kelly behind bars
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Speaker 1: still hasn't made one hundred thousand dollar bond. What's the
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Speaker 1: hold up? Robert Sylvester Kelly will spend another night behind bars.
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Speaker 1: He has been indicted and booked on ten counts of
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Speaker 1: aggravated criminal sex abuse. Straight out to Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, PSI, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Robin Wilinsky, Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, author of Beautiful Life, the CSI
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Speaker 1: behind the Casey Anthony trial on Amazon, Robin, what happened? Well,
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Speaker 1: here's the story. Nancy R. Kelly has been charged with
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Speaker 1: the ten counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse. These are
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Speaker 1: allegations that stem from many years, from nineteen ninety eight
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Speaker 1: to twenty ten, involving four females, three who were at
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Speaker 1: the time teenage girl teenage girls. When you say teen girls,
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Speaker 1: Robin Olenski, are you talking thirteen or nineteen? Oh, we're
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Speaker 1: talking thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, young, very young who idolized this man.
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Speaker 1: Guys are talking about Kelly. Robert Sylvester Kelly, age fifty two,
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Speaker 1: set to spend another night in jail. Robin Lensky, Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, tell me about the arrest
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Speaker 1: and the booking. Well, here's the situation. He actually R.
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Speaker 1: Kelly turned himself in in Chicago to the police department,
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Speaker 1: and there were many many reporters, both in mainstream news
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Speaker 1: and entertainment reporters, all their shouting questions at him, did
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Speaker 1: you do it? Are you guilty? And he said nothing.
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Speaker 1: He turned himself into the police and he was booked.
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Speaker 1: And then the next day the judge he had a
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Speaker 1: bond hearing and he was being held on a million
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Speaker 1: dollar bond. Has to put up one hundred thousand cash
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Speaker 1: to get out, and so far, Nancy, he hasn't come
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Speaker 1: up with the money. Here's this guy who allegedly has
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Speaker 1: all this money and is worth millions and billions of dollars,
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Speaker 1: and he can't come up with a hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: to get out. We are talking about R. Kelly. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, he has been booked, fingerprinted. He is
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Speaker 1: behind bars right now on ten counts of aggravated sex assault.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors alleged one of the women was an underaged girl
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Speaker 1: who Kelly solicited when he was on trial for child
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Speaker 1: porn back in two thousand and eight. Let me introduce
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Speaker 1: my all star panel. Robin Wolinski, Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Newcomer today, Let the hazing begin. Brad Micklin,
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Speaker 1: New Jersey lawyer, doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned California's psychoanalyst, Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: cop turned PI, author of playbook to a murder on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: Jackie Howard here in the studio, Alan Duke joining me
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Speaker 1: from La. Brad Micklin, you're the high profile defense lawyer.
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Speaker 1: According to sources, one of the women was an underaged
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Speaker 1: girl Kelly solicited while he's on trial for child porn
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Speaker 1: back at two thousand and eight. Remember that, Brad Micklin,
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Speaker 1: what if your client jumped up and he's on video
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Speaker 1: with a fourteen year old girl having sex, and then
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Speaker 1: you're innate center mouth. I mean, I didn't want to
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Speaker 1: say that, but that's the trip. That's what happened, Brad Micklin.
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Speaker 1: And during that, during that trial, he solicits another under
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Speaker 1: a girl. Well, if it's true, Nancy, it's obviously repulsive.
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Speaker 1: But with regard to the current charges facing him, there
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Speaker 1: are many issues that they need to get passed. First,
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Speaker 1: there are going to be statute limitation issues because these
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Speaker 1: a lot of these actions were back in the late nineties.
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Speaker 1: You got this documentary out that's going to came to
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Speaker 1: Jewelry Pool, and you have adding Natti with his hands
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Speaker 1: into the evidence before the prosecutors even got to it.
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Speaker 1: So I think long before we start to judge him
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Speaker 1: on whether or not he did this, we have to
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Speaker 1: see whether there's a basis for him to move forward
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Speaker 1: on it. Okay, first of all, the only thing that
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Speaker 1: I heard that makes carries any water with me is
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Speaker 1: the Abanati issue. You know what, Abanatti has seemed to
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Speaker 1: land in the middle of every controversy he's involved with
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Speaker 1: the Stormy Daniels issue, then he somehow injected himself in
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Speaker 1: the me to campaign, and now this I have a
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Speaker 1: problem with him having state's evidence first as well. But
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Speaker 1: that aside, This is a very interesting fact Brad Micklin
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Speaker 1: and I did not know this until I started very
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Speaker 1: carefully researching the law. The law has changed in multiple
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Speaker 1: jurisdictions where the statute of limitations no longer applies in
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Speaker 1: cases like this, and it's retroactive, which I was very
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Speaker 1: surprised about, which means that if you commit a crime,
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Speaker 1: say you committed the crime in two thousand. The two
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Speaker 1: thousand law doesn't apply anymore. You get the two nineteen law.
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Speaker 1: That's very rare, very rare under our constitution. But it's happened.
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Speaker 1: So statute of limitations is not going to help him.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned California psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany, I
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Speaker 1: mean the nerve while he's on trial for child porn,
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Speaker 1: got a jury, the works. According to these prosecutors, he
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Speaker 1: slits us another little girl, Nancy. He's compulsive. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he is a sex predator, predators, predate. The attorney who
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Speaker 1: was giving the press her this morning kept talking about
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Speaker 1: the fact that there was more than five years age
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Speaker 1: difference between him and his victims. She said it again
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Speaker 1: and again and again. And what that tells me is
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Speaker 1: she's trying to say he's not your average rund of
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Speaker 1: the mill sex predator. He is a pedophile. The criteria
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Speaker 1: for pedophilia is that there is more than five years
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Speaker 1: age difference between the offender and the victim, and that
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Speaker 1: the victor victim is prepubescent. Now, the youngest one was
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Speaker 1: thirteen years old, so she was on the cusp. But
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Speaker 1: as you just mentioned that there was another case when
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Speaker 1: he was brought up on charges of child pornography. So
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Speaker 1: this guy just can't stop himself. His whole life is
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Speaker 1: organized around the compulsion. And I think, Nancy, that this
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Speaker 1: is why he doesn't have any money. How can you
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Speaker 1: make money when all want to do is have sex
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Speaker 1: with little kids? It ruins your entire life. This is
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Speaker 1: all he can do. He's this talented musician, but I
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Speaker 1: bet most of his waking hours are thinking about obtaining
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Speaker 1: access to children and having sex with him. Well. Also,
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Speaker 1: if reports are true, he is keeping up at least
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Speaker 1: six different properties in the Atlanta area alone, plus whatever
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Speaker 1: he's got going on in Chicago housing all of these
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Speaker 1: women that are in his harem. And that is a
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Speaker 1: euphemistic way to put it, you know what. Let me
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Speaker 1: just put it like this. I've told many a jury
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Speaker 1: and Brad Micklin is going to shudder during this. The story.
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Speaker 1: At the end of a closing argument about mister Scorpion
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Speaker 1: and mister Turtle, mister Scorpion meets mister Turtle at the
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Speaker 1: side of the river and says, please just carry me across,
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Speaker 1: and Turtle says, oh no, mister Scorpion because you will
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Speaker 1: surely bite me and we will both go to the
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Speaker 1: bottom of the river and I will die. But Scorpion says,
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Speaker 1: I promise, Why would I kill my self? Sub begrudgingly,
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Speaker 1: Turtle takes him across the river. Halfway across, Turtle feels
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Speaker 1: a pain in his neck and he says, mister Scorpion,
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Speaker 1: you bit me. Now we will both die, and Scorpion says,
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Speaker 1: I can't help it, It's just my nature. Earlier today,
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Speaker 1: Robert Kelly was indicted before a Cook County grand jury
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Speaker 1: on ten counts of aggravated criminals sexual abuse involving four victims.
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Speaker 1: The first victim, INITIALS HW, was involved in incidents which
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Speaker 1: occurred between May twenty six to nineteen ninety eight and
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Speaker 1: May twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine. A grand jury returned
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Speaker 1: an indictment on four counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse
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Speaker 1: based on the victim being under the age of seventeen
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Speaker 1: and Robert Kelly being more than five years older than
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Speaker 1: the victim. The second victim, Initials r L, was involved
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Speaker 1: in an incident which occurred between September twenty sixth, nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety eight and September twenty fifth, two thousand and one,
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Speaker 1: a grand jury returned an indictment on two counts of
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Speaker 1: aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on the victims being under
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Speaker 1: the age of seventeen and Robert Kelly being more than
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Speaker 1: five years older than that victim. The third victim, initials LC,
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Speaker 1: was involved in an incident which occurred February eighteenth, two
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Speaker 1: thousand and three. A grand jury returned an indictment on
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Speaker 1: one count of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on the
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Speaker 1: transmission of seamen by Robert Kelly upon any part of
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Speaker 1: the body of the victim for the purpose of sexual
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Speaker 1: gratification during the course of an underlying felony of attempt
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Speaker 1: criminal sexual assault. The fourth victim, initials JP, was involved
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Speaker 1: in incidents which occurred between May first, two thousand and
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Speaker 1: nine and January thirty first, two thousand and ten. A
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Speaker 1: grand jury returned in indictment on the three counts three
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Speaker 1: counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on the victim
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Speaker 1: being under the age of seventeen and Robert Kelly being
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Speaker 1: more than five years older than the victim. Aggravated criminal
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Speaker 1: sexual abuse is a class to felony with the sentencing
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Speaker 1: range of three to seven years for account. It is
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Speaker 1: also probation of alle We anticipate that mister Kelly will
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Speaker 1: appear in bond court tomorrow afternoon. Thank you. You are
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Speaker 1: hearing the prosecutor outline all of the charges against R
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Speaker 1: and B. Starr, R Kelly, Robert Sylvester Kelly. And right
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Speaker 1: now he's sitting in the can. There's just no nice
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Speaker 1: way to put it. He's behind bars trying to drum
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Speaker 1: up the money to make bond. Joining me Robert Wilinsky,
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, doctor Bethany Marshall, and Brad Micklin to Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: cop turned PI, author of playbook to a Murder on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: You know they go all the way back to nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety eight for these claims, which show me the statute
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Speaker 1: of limitation is not an effect based on new legislation.
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Speaker 1: A lot of defense attorneys, probably including Brad Micklin, but
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Speaker 1: certain our Kelly's lawyer is going to argue to a
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Speaker 1: jury that these clients are so old, why are they
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Speaker 1: just coming forward? Now? You know what jurr might fall
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Speaker 1: for that. But there are other counts as well. Vincent,
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Speaker 1: what did they have to do to get this information,
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Speaker 1: to get the evidence to show the case well, Mancy,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad they did update the statue of limitations for
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Speaker 1: these gruesome crimes. I mean, this reminds me of a
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Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky. You heard you got seamen on dresses, you
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Speaker 1: got seamen on shirts, you got seamen on blouses. So
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Speaker 1: the physical evidence is there. Thankfully, if we can get
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Speaker 1: past these statue of limitations, we can actually get a conviction.
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Speaker 1: And it's no wonder he's still sitting in jail and
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Speaker 1: he can't come up with one hundred grand. He's been
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Speaker 1: paying off women for years before closed on his house
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve because he had to go
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Speaker 1: and pay all these women in simbol cases. So there's
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Speaker 1: no wonder he's sitting in jail, and that's where he belongs.
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Speaker 1: Quite frank too, Doctor Bethany Marshall renounced California psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: You would think after the first jury trial where he's
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Speaker 1: actually brought up on felony charges of creating pornography with
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Speaker 1: a girl fourteen years old, you would think that that
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Speaker 1: would stop him. But it didn't. According to prosecutors, offenders
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Speaker 1: offend again and again and again, and they organize their
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Speaker 1: entire lives around the compulsion to offend, like see a
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Speaker 1: lesser compulsion. Let's take for example, alcoholism. An alcoholic might
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Speaker 1: get a job as a bartender. A pedophile might get
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Speaker 1: a job as a priest, or as a school teacher.
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Speaker 1: A sex offender pedophile might become a musician so he
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Speaker 1: can lure little girls, and he will remain undeterred even
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Speaker 1: when he has to pay out settlements. This is what
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Speaker 1: we saw with Michael Jackson. Remember settlement after settlement with
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Speaker 1: little boys. But the crimes went on and on. And
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Speaker 1: that's because there's also something called institutional sociopathy, where one
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Speaker 1: sociopath bands with another and then bands with another. These
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Speaker 1: people like r. Kelly, and we saw this with Harvey Weinstein,
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Speaker 1: they surround themselves with people who accommodate to their crimes,
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Speaker 1: so they are aided and embedded all over the place.
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Speaker 1: And that's why the offending pattern never stopped. To New
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Speaker 1: Jersey lawyer, high profile defense attorney Brad Nicklin joining us.
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Speaker 1: Brad Nicklin, what do you make of the fact that
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Speaker 1: some of the charges date back to nineteen ninety eight
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Speaker 1: and how would you attack that a trial? Well, and
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Speaker 1: that's going to be a problem. I mean, he's got
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Speaker 1: at this time several victims and several incidents. So you
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Speaker 1: first attack the statue of limitations because in Illinois the
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Speaker 1: limitations depend on whether or not there's collaboration, the age
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Speaker 1: of the offender, and the relationship that R. Kelly may
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Speaker 1: have had with that meaning was he in a position
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Speaker 1: of authority or where they personally claimed it. So as
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Speaker 1: a defense attorney, you're going to attack each specific event,
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Speaker 1: each specific victim and date to try to knock out
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Speaker 1: some of the claims. It's not going to be a
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Speaker 1: slam dunk on a statue of limitations issue, but you
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Speaker 1: can get rid of some of the offenses and some
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Speaker 1: of the victims and reduce what you're facing a trial. Guys,
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Speaker 1: when Brad and I are talking about statute of limitations,
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Speaker 1: what that means is under our jurisprudence, under our constitution,
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Speaker 1: after a certain period of time years, cases can no
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Speaker 1: longer be prosecuted. They are deemed too old. The evidence
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Speaker 1: is no longer as valid as it was before. That's
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Speaker 1: the rationale. So you have a limit on how many
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Speaker 1: years pass until you can no longer try the case.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know, Singer R. Kelly spending another
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Speaker 1: night behind bars. So far, he has not made bail
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Speaker 1: to get out prosecutors alleging he solicited underage girls for
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Speaker 1: sex even while he was on trial for child porn.
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Speaker 1: While he was on trial back in two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, Kelly still found time to talk to fans,
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Speaker 1: to sign autographs, to take photos, and meet and under
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Speaker 1: age girl he invited to his home and, according to them,
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Speaker 1: solicited for sex. Other accusers include a little girl who
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Speaker 1: met Kelly at her sixteenth birthday party, and a hair
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Speaker 1: addresser who expected to braid the singers here, only to
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Speaker 1: find out he wanted a sex act instead. He goes
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Speaker 1: on and on and on, but now he's really looking
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Speaker 1: at a heap of trouble. Now this is the person
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Speaker 1: you don't want to have a fender bender with. And
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Speaker 1: see Gloria already get out of the car in front
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Speaker 1: of you. Oh no, you do not listen to this.
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Speaker 1: We have an appointment today with the New York City
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Speaker 1: Police Department, who have as asked to meet with Faith
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Speaker 1: in further into of their investigation into potential victims of R. Kelly.
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Speaker 1: We will offer our full and complete cooperation in their investigation.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors in Chicago and Atlanta are also seeking information from
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Speaker 1: potential victims, and we plan to offer them our cooperation
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Speaker 1: as well. Mister Kelly, you may soon join the ranks
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Speaker 1: of Bill cos Be and Harvey Weinstein. Just as they
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Speaker 1: have been and are being held accountable for their actions,
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Speaker 1: You also must be accountable to Robert Wilensky, author of
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Speaker 1: Beautiful Life and Crime Online dot com investigative reporter, where
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Speaker 1: you can find this and every other breaking news item
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Speaker 1: in justice and criminal law. Robin Wilensky, how did Gloria
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Speaker 1: already get involved? Well, Gloria Alread is now representing one
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Speaker 1: of the underage girls who has claims against R. Kelly.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Nancy, when I've been researching this case
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Speaker 1: and covering it over time, what comes to my mind
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Speaker 1: though about this? Remember what your grandmother used to say
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Speaker 1: to you. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Now, all of
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Speaker 1: these are allegations, but you start building your case and
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Speaker 1: it goes back to nineteen ninety eight, and then you
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Speaker 1: know they're stuff prior to that, and then it goes
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Speaker 1: on and on and on. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: Glauria Alread again. You don't want to tangle with her
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Speaker 1: involved in representing one of these underage girls crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Faith is not the only alleged victim
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Speaker 1: whom R. Kelly has attempted to intimidate into silence. In
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Speaker 1: response to the allegations of his many alleged victims as
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Speaker 1: contained in the recent Lifetime documentary, Kelly's attorney has appeared
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Speaker 1: to threaten a lawsuit against Lifetime, and according to news reports,
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Speaker 1: someone associated with Kelly's team launched a Facebook page called
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Speaker 1: Quote Surviving Lies to allegedly discredit his accusers. Reports indicated
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Speaker 1: that the page was quote swiftly taken down for violating
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Speaker 1: Facebook's policy on bullying or sharing others contact information. News
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Speaker 1: reports also claim that mister Kelly is threatening to sue
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Speaker 1: everyone involved in the documentary. Mister Kelly's attorney, Stephen Greenberg,
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Speaker 1: said the singer will quote hopefully sue Lifetime in his
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Speaker 1: first interview with ABC News since the release of Lifetime
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Speaker 1: Surviving R. Kelly, I say to mister Kelly and his attorney,
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Speaker 1: be careful what you hope for. All of these attempts
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Speaker 1: to intimidate and threaten our clients and others will not work,
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Speaker 1: mister Kelly. Your disgusting tactics will not prevent women who
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Speaker 1: alleged they were victimized from telling their truth. That as
21:36
Speaker 1: atturning Gloria Allread. And I've got to tell you something.
21:38
Speaker 1: I've got a soft spot for her, and this is
21:40
Speaker 1: why I not always heard of her. And I worked
21:43
Speaker 1: with her daughter, Lisa BlimE at Court TV for many
21:46
Speaker 1: many years. Fine, fine woman, and long story short, when
21:50
Speaker 1: I was out covering the Scott Peterson trial and I
21:53
Speaker 1: was there and meat with city for months and months
21:56
Speaker 1: and months. I would get to the courthouse, okay, I'd
22:00
Speaker 1: get there around six o'clock in the morning to start
22:02
Speaker 1: doing morning TV, stay for the whole day do Court TV,
22:08
Speaker 1: and stay to do Larry King, which ended at that
22:11
Speaker 1: time at night, at ten o'clock at night. When I
22:14
Speaker 1: would finally leave the courthouse, I would notice that Gloria
22:17
Speaker 1: Alread was there when I got there at six. When
22:20
Speaker 1: I left at night, I remember her standing there in
22:22
Speaker 1: her fancy Saint John's suit, working two cell phones, standing
22:26
Speaker 1: at a stop sign, working work King. I'm telling you,
22:31
Speaker 1: she's got a work ethic like nobody else. Gloria Alread.
22:35
Speaker 1: And when she gets a hold of your case. It's
22:37
Speaker 1: like a pit bulls got a hold of you. You You
22:38
Speaker 1: get you got to get pliers, You got to get
22:41
Speaker 1: a utensil to get her jaw off your case. Joining
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Speaker 1: me Brad Micklin, doctor Bethany Marshall, Vincent Hill, and Robin Wilenski.
22:50
Speaker 1: So let me understand this. Robin Wilenski, this guy, he's
22:54
Speaker 1: a music sensation, he's an icon. Can't put together the
22:59
Speaker 1: bailm money. Yes, quite incredible, isn't it. Here's a guy
23:03
Speaker 1: who wins three Grammys for his songs. He's writing songs
23:07
Speaker 1: for other famous artists. He's got all these videos, he's
23:12
Speaker 1: got all these homes, he's got all this fame, he
23:15
Speaker 1: has all this fortune. And oh, by the way, I
23:18
Speaker 1: can't come up with one hundred thousand dollars. It's actually
23:21
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bond for each of
23:25
Speaker 1: the four women. That's a million dollars bond. So he's
23:28
Speaker 1: got to come up with a hundred thousand dollars in cash.
23:31
Speaker 1: Kelly's lawyers asked for a lower bond amount, arguing that
23:34
Speaker 1: his finances are a mess because he has just been
23:37
Speaker 1: dropped by a second by another record label, but so
23:42
Speaker 1: far that hasn't happened. The bond remains at one million dollars.
23:46
Speaker 1: I want to outline exactly what the charges are too,
23:50
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills. He is
23:56
Speaker 1: accused of basically operating compounds, homes, town homes, condos, at
24:03
Speaker 1: least six of them, where he houses young girls. They
24:09
Speaker 1: start around age sixteen or so or younger, and they
24:12
Speaker 1: live there for years. Everything they do, their food, what
24:16
Speaker 1: they wear is controlled. They're given cell phones that they
24:20
Speaker 1: can only die R. Kelly or his hinge people. They
24:24
Speaker 1: cannot come out of their rooms or go into the hall.
24:27
Speaker 1: They have to ask to go to the restroom. And
24:30
Speaker 1: apparently there is a din mother of sorts that explains
24:34
Speaker 1: to these young girls how they are to accommodate R.
24:38
Speaker 1: Kelly's demands, what he wants them to do, and if
24:43
Speaker 1: that video was any indication of what he wants them
24:46
Speaker 1: to do urinating in their mouth. I'm just very surprised
24:52
Speaker 1: it's taken so long, Doctor Bethany. How did it get
24:55
Speaker 1: this far and what do you perceive of the acts
24:58
Speaker 1: that he is committing. Well, King anthy. You know that
25:01
Speaker 1: sex offenders on average offend for seventeen years before they
25:05
Speaker 1: come to the attention of law enforcement or before they're
25:08
Speaker 1: incarcerated prosecuted, So I'm not completely surprised by this. Look
25:14
Speaker 1: how long everything went on with Harvey Weinstein before he
25:16
Speaker 1: was prosecuted. But Nancy, we have to frame our thinking
25:20
Speaker 1: appropriately about what R. Kelly is doing. This is not
25:24
Speaker 1: a school teacher in a classroom that has targeted a
25:27
Speaker 1: miner and is obsessed with that minor. This is a
25:30
Speaker 1: leader of a sex cult. That's what he fancies himself
25:34
Speaker 1: as being. This is a Warren Jeff This is a
25:37
Speaker 1: David Koresh, This is a John of God. This is
25:41
Speaker 1: somebody who has amassed wealth, properties compounds so he can
25:46
Speaker 1: bring as many women in as possible as a part
25:49
Speaker 1: of his harem. And then, as with leaders of any cults,
25:54
Speaker 1: he systematically cuts them off from financial and social support.
25:59
Speaker 1: He prevents some from calling their families. He begins to
26:02
Speaker 1: deprive them of food, clothing, and autonomy, and slowly he
26:08
Speaker 1: brainwashes them over time. So we're so fascinated by the
26:12
Speaker 1: sexual aspect of the sex cult that we forget that
26:15
Speaker 1: he is a run of the mill cult leader, as
26:20
Speaker 1: any other cult leader would be again cutting off his
26:23
Speaker 1: victims from outside support. He wants to be the sole
26:27
Speaker 1: supplier of everything in their lives. And I think he
26:30
Speaker 1: believed that this would go on and on and on,
26:33
Speaker 1: this idea of not being able to post bail assure.
26:37
Speaker 1: He has a lot of money and properties, but you
26:39
Speaker 1: have to pour a lot of money into an obsession
26:42
Speaker 1: like this. Nancy. He's supporting scores of women and paying
26:46
Speaker 1: off other women at the same time in their families.
26:49
Speaker 1: Brad Micklin, He's got another problem with me, a veteran
26:53
Speaker 1: trial while you're out of New Jersey jurisdation, Brad Micklin.
26:56
Speaker 1: Brad he owes nearly two hundred thousand dollars of child support,
27:00
Speaker 1: so his money problems don't stop with just his bail issue. Now,
27:04
Speaker 1: according to court documents, he owes almost two hundred grand
27:08
Speaker 1: in unpaid child support and catch this the court ordered r.
27:12
Speaker 1: Kelly to make monthly payments of about twenty grand back
27:15
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. He didn't even show up
27:18
Speaker 1: at the hearing, according to the court documents. Now, to
27:22
Speaker 1: avoid being held in contempt a judge order, he paid
27:26
Speaker 1: the entire amount one hundred and sixty one thousand by
27:29
Speaker 1: March sixth. Of course, he didn't do it, and Greenberg,
27:35
Speaker 1: his defense lawyer, says he doesn't have to pay the
27:38
Speaker 1: child support before getting out of jail. On this, I
27:42
Speaker 1: bet the court will disagree with that. Brad Micklin, I
27:44
Speaker 1: think the court's going to hold him till he pays
27:46
Speaker 1: the child support plus the bond. I agree. Actually, Lucy Nancy,
27:51
Speaker 1: I think even if they haven't ruled that way now,
27:54
Speaker 1: I think the family court should be making some decisions
27:57
Speaker 1: about not only what happens when he gets released, but
28:00
Speaker 1: what happens when he does post a bell and comes
28:02
Speaker 1: to court. What happens to one hundred thousand dollars? Does
28:04
Speaker 1: it get returned to him or do attach it and
28:07
Speaker 1: take it and pay it over to the child's part,
28:08
Speaker 1: which I think is what ultimately will happen in this case.
28:12
Speaker 1: That's some good maneuvering right there, so we wouldn't have
28:14
Speaker 1: to pay both. I don't if the quart will go
28:17
Speaker 1: for it, but it sure is a good theory. Joining
28:19
Speaker 1: me Robin Malinsky, Vincent Hill, doctor Bethany Marshall, and Brad Micklin.
28:23
Speaker 1: Vincent I noticed Atlanta jurisdiction has not prosecuted anything, and
28:28
Speaker 1: they allegedly know of about six compounds that R Kelly
28:33
Speaker 1: has in metro Atlanta. So what does Cook Counties Chicago
28:37
Speaker 1: have that Atlanta doesn't have? You know what, Nancy, That's
28:41
Speaker 1: an excellent question because I wondered the exact same thing,
28:45
Speaker 1: and I want to expand on a little bit of
28:46
Speaker 1: these charges. And then too, I read the indictment and
28:49
Speaker 1: it I read where he said he choked women, he
28:51
Speaker 1: spat on women. Listen, when I was the top, I
28:54
Speaker 1: arrested people for that who are aggravated a salt. So
28:57
Speaker 1: I don't know why there's not at least an aggravated
28:59
Speaker 1: to salt charge thrown in here and maybe even out
29:02
Speaker 1: of Atlanta, out of Portland County or decap County. Guys,
29:05
Speaker 1: we are talking about R Kelly, the music superstar, behind
29:09
Speaker 1: bars at this hour, trying desperately to make bond. Those
29:11
Speaker 1: parents are desperately pleading for their daughter to come home,
29:14
Speaker 1: claiming she's being held captive, but she says she's perfectly fine,
29:18
Speaker 1: and R Kelly's attorney swinging back this morning, the family
29:21
Speaker 1: of a woman allegedly living with embattled singer R Kelly
29:24
Speaker 1: speaking out saying their daughter is being held against her
29:27
Speaker 1: will in Chicago, and he knows how to manipulate young
29:30
Speaker 1: girls and make them feel like this hold they have
29:33
Speaker 1: twenty one year old Jocelyn Savage on several occasions denying
29:36
Speaker 1: she's being held captive, even appearing without Kelly in this
29:39
Speaker 1: TMZ video from last summer, people of sending you know,
29:42
Speaker 1: captive and hostage wills. That's not true. I'm out here,
29:46
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy life and do my old days. I
29:48
Speaker 1: need to get to my daughter because I know she's
29:50
Speaker 1: been cahers. Kelly's attorney slamming the assertion Savage or any
29:54
Speaker 1: other woman is being forced to stay tweeting Relax America.
29:58
Speaker 1: Today's CPD visited R Kelly at home and spoke to
30:01
Speaker 1: the two young ladies who lived with him in private.
30:03
Speaker 1: Both told the police they are great, not hostages, not abused,
30:07
Speaker 1: not victims. Chicago PD confirming that welfare call, telling ABC
30:11
Speaker 1: News the women stated that they were not being held
30:13
Speaker 1: against their will and are both in good health and spirits.
30:16
Speaker 1: There was nothing out of the ordinary with the residents,
30:18
Speaker 1: and the officers closed the call as unfounded. Kelly caught
30:22
Speaker 1: in a web of controversy. A number of women recently
30:24
Speaker 1: coming forward in the scathing Lifetime docuseries Surviving R. Kelly,
30:28
Speaker 1: Can you describe the physical abuse? Kelly's defense team defiant
30:35
Speaker 1: in the face of allegations of controlling and abusive behavior.
30:38
Speaker 1: The man was not operating a harem or a sex cult,
30:42
Speaker 1: or holding people hostage or anything like that. Now threatening
30:45
Speaker 1: legal action for defamation because people shouldn't be able to
30:48
Speaker 1: do this to someone. But a different picture from Jocelyn
30:50
Speaker 1: Savage's parents, desperate to reunite with their daughter. We just
30:54
Speaker 1: want to sit there and hold you and make sure
30:56
Speaker 1: you fine, makes you okay. A list artists are now
30:59
Speaker 1: voicing their concern after that docuseries, Christina Aguilera throwing her
31:02
Speaker 1: support behind Lady Gaga's decision to pull her collaboration with R.
31:06
Speaker 1: Kelly from streaming services. Kelly's attorney, as you heard, they're
31:09
Speaker 1: promising this legal battle is far from over. You're hearing
31:12
Speaker 1: our friend at ABC's GMA that was corresponding aerial ra
31:16
Speaker 1: chef explaining in a nutshell what's going down right now?
31:20
Speaker 1: R Kelly, the music superstar behind bars, trying to make
31:23
Speaker 1: bond on serious felony counts of aggravated sex abuse. So far,
31:29
Speaker 1: he hasn't made bond, but I predict that he will.
31:33
Speaker 1: You know, another issue, Robin Willinski, that Vincent Hill and
31:36
Speaker 1: I were discussing the difference between Chicago in Atlanta prosecutions
31:41
Speaker 1: is something very very critical, Robin. It is critical, Nancy,
31:45
Speaker 1: because see, in Chicago, we're told that there are videos,
31:50
Speaker 1: there's DNA evidence, there's lots of stuff that they're going
31:54
Speaker 1: to produce at trial. Here in Atlanta, my understanding is
32:00
Speaker 1: that they don't have all of that. And my understanding
32:04
Speaker 1: is is that the Savage parents, who you just heard
32:06
Speaker 1: there in the cliff, they're very concerned about their daughter,
32:09
Speaker 1: Joycelyn as they pronounced her name. And there's an interesting
32:13
Speaker 1: little nugget in that when that statement came out where
32:17
Speaker 1: the daughter and the other women say, oh, yeah, we're fine,
32:20
Speaker 1: we're fine, there's a misspelling of Joycelyn's name in that document.
32:27
Speaker 1: So the parents do not even believe that the daughter
32:30
Speaker 1: was ever asked, did she ever write that she's fine.
32:34
Speaker 1: They don't even believe that it's her in her own words.
32:37
Speaker 1: They believe it's the r. Kelly pr machine that's making
32:41
Speaker 1: statements on behalf of these women who are living in
32:45
Speaker 1: his homes. But here in Atlanta, they do not have
32:48
Speaker 1: the mountain of evidence as they do have in Chicago.
32:51
Speaker 1: To Brad Micklin, New Jersey lawyer, trial veteran, now, prosecutors
32:55
Speaker 1: say r Kelly would spit on the victim, slap the victim,
33:02
Speaker 1: choke her, ejaculate on her. She actually saved a shirt
33:07
Speaker 1: from one of the incidents and turned it over to
33:10
Speaker 1: police who find a DNA match to r Kelly. This
33:15
Speaker 1: is according to prosecutors. Brad. That's one of the issues
33:19
Speaker 1: when you look at this case, there's so many distractions
33:21
Speaker 1: from what the real facts and issues of this case are.
33:24
Speaker 1: We had this cult enterprise. He's being charged with aggreated
33:27
Speaker 1: criminal sexual abuse, which is a serious level felony, but
33:31
Speaker 1: the lesser included is criminal sexual abuse. There's assault. If
33:35
Speaker 1: any of these victims do have corroboration evidence or do
33:39
Speaker 1: testify credibly before jewelry, there are many other offenses that
33:43
Speaker 1: he can be convinced. We just keep looking to those
33:45
Speaker 1: aggreated criminal because the allegations are sold gregious. But he's
33:49
Speaker 1: facing serious problems no matter what turns out to be
33:52
Speaker 1: the truth. We are talking about r Kelly sitting behind
33:55
Speaker 1: bars right now. If he is convicted on all accounts,
33:59
Speaker 1: r Kelly ad face up to seventy years behind bars.
34:03
Speaker 1: Arrayment has been scheduled for Fab twenty eight to Dodgor
34:07
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, California psycho analyst. How do you expect him
34:10
Speaker 1: to present in court? Oh, Nancy, He'll be calm, cool
34:17
Speaker 1: and collected. You know what I was reading this morning
34:19
Speaker 1: if he was just staring at the floor. Social paths
34:22
Speaker 1: are very charming and affable. They don't have a sense
34:25
Speaker 1: of wrongdoing. He doesn't think he hurt these victims. He
34:28
Speaker 1: thinks he owns them. And you know, as far as
34:30
Speaker 1: Chicago Child Protective Services calling on one of the compounds
34:34
Speaker 1: and the girls said, hey, we're fine. Of course they're
34:37
Speaker 1: going to say they're fine. They've been brainwashed by him.
34:40
Speaker 1: They're victims. He has made them believe that he is
34:43
Speaker 1: the sole provider of everything good in their life and
34:46
Speaker 1: that without him they'd be nothing. He has engaged in
34:49
Speaker 1: paranoid discourse, turning them away from their families and away
34:52
Speaker 1: from the community. So a welfare check is never sufficient
34:56
Speaker 1: in a case like this. We're going to see a
34:59
Speaker 1: different R. Kelly in court. Then he shows his victims.
35:02
Speaker 1: With his victims, he thinks he has power over them
35:04
Speaker 1: in court, He's going to be nonchalant, arrogant, and act
35:07
Speaker 1: as if he did absolutely nothing wrong. A lot has
35:11
Speaker 1: been made about the entry entry of Michael Abnati attorney.
35:16
Speaker 1: Listen to what he has to say. What's different about
35:18
Speaker 1: the evidence that is now in the hand of the
35:21
Speaker 1: state's attorney versus back in the nineties. Well, the quality
35:24
Speaker 1: of the video evidence that we have provided and that
35:26
Speaker 1: we're also going to be providing. We're going to be
35:28
Speaker 1: providing some additional evidence here shortly, I think as far
35:30
Speaker 1: superior than what prosecutors had at their disposal back in
35:34
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. We've provided the names and testimony
35:37
Speaker 1: of a number of witnesses. There's documentary evidence. There's a
35:40
Speaker 1: mountain of evidence relating to these criminal acts by R. Kelly,
35:43
Speaker 1: and I don't think that Key nor his enablers are
35:46
Speaker 1: going to be able to break the system like they
35:47
Speaker 1: did in two thousand and eight. After twenty five years
35:49
Speaker 1: it's over. Does the statution of limitations come into play here?
35:52
Speaker 1: Because R. Kelly's attorney said a lot of this is
35:55
Speaker 1: based on a VHS tape. Are these old accusations? Well, no,
35:59
Speaker 1: they're not old accusations. And in fact, Illinois legislature had
36:02
Speaker 1: the good foresight and thought back in twenty seventeen to
36:04
Speaker 1: amend the Statue of Limitations to basically make it unlimited.
36:07
Speaker 1: There was a prior amendment prior to that in twenty ten.
36:10
Speaker 1: I don't believe there's any statue limitations problems, and I
36:12
Speaker 1: don't think there should be a statue limitations as it
36:15
Speaker 1: relates to taking advantage of and sexually abusing and assaulting
36:18
Speaker 1: young girls. Do you have any information about whether or
36:21
Speaker 1: not Kelly's insular circle is starting to turn on him.
36:24
Speaker 1: There's no question that the people that have surrounded him
36:26
Speaker 1: for many years are starting to turn. And in fact,
36:29
Speaker 1: like I said, I represent two whistleblowers that had knowledge
36:32
Speaker 1: of R. Kelly, were close to him at one point
36:34
Speaker 1: in time. They've turned, and I envisioned that a number
36:36
Speaker 1: of other individuals will turn in the coming weeks and days.
36:40
Speaker 1: You're hearing Michael Abanati, attorney speaking to WGN there in Chicago,
36:45
Speaker 1: so to Brad Micklin, you know, speaking of his entourage,
36:50
Speaker 1: his policy surrounding him, who basically many people argue enabled
36:54
Speaker 1: all of this, enabled like they did Harvey Weinstein and others.
37:00
Speaker 1: They better cooperate or they're looking at jail time as well.
37:03
Speaker 1: Brad Micklin, Well, and that can be the case. I mean,
37:05
Speaker 1: if these allegations are true, whether one or all of them,
37:09
Speaker 1: certainly they're going to be people that had knowledge and
37:11
Speaker 1: facilitated this and cooperated. But when you listen out to not,
37:14
Speaker 1: I mean he's and you're going so far beyond the
37:18
Speaker 1: scope of this case. He speaks of his clients to
37:21
Speaker 1: six clients, only two of them are victims, two of
37:23
Speaker 1: them are parents, the other two of whistleblowers. He's creating
37:26
Speaker 1: the circus and it's distracting from the actual case. It
37:30
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the two thousand in HRIL
37:33
Speaker 1: which he's now saying was rigged, and I'm sure he
37:35
Speaker 1: has no proof of that either, but he's just going
37:37
Speaker 1: on whatever he can to sensationalize these allegations, and it's
37:40
Speaker 1: distracting from the simple case that being flourd victims. And
37:43
Speaker 1: we need to decide whether they are going to be
37:45
Speaker 1: prosecuting on Kelly based on these allegations or not. Not
37:48
Speaker 1: Going back to two thousand and eight. Not going back
37:50
Speaker 1: to his enterprises, Cult Enterprise, or these other people. We're
37:54
Speaker 1: not focusing on whether or not he's actually guilty of
37:57
Speaker 1: these offenses. Wait, wait as justice and falls r Kelly
38:01
Speaker 1: back in court. FIB twenty eight, Nancy Grace's crime Story,
38:04
Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye Friend,