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#197: Saw 3D: The Final Chapter (2010) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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movie you're. Crazy.
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I knew you were crazy the minute I laid eyes on you.
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Crazy. OK, this is what we're going to
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do. Crazy.
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Welcome to watch your least favorite scary movie, The.
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Podcaster We talk about the good, the bad, the ugly, and the
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crazy, and all of our favorite and least favorite scary movies.
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Crazy 'cause we believe every horror movie rivaling as a fan
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base. Even though we got this all
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fucked up, dude. Yeah, well, you.
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Didn't pick up your socks? Crazy.
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Crazy. Yeah, we we talk about scary
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movies and. We defend them and also shit
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Taco sometimes. Yeah, that's what we do, by the
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way, on that right there, like you.
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The delivery of that. Last part was like, all right,
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here's what we're going to do. And it's like a pie.
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Like crazy crazy. Welcome everybody.
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We. Are going to be talking about a
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crazy episode today. Boy, I was not ready for people
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to be surprised at how much we liked a wrong turn for last
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week, and I feel like you guys might not like what we have to
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say about. Something today, but you know
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what? The ruins that supported wrong
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turn did show up and I appreciate y'all.
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You know what? Thank you guys for listening.
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Even if you don't agree with us. Yeah, I think it's fun to
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listen. There will be times that I'll
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listen to people talking about a movie.
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I love and they hate it. And I'm like, but OK, yeah.
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That's kind of how I am too. Yeah, you know, some of.
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These other movies these less are known these the wrong turn 4
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is out there needs some love sometimes.
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You know what I mean? That's what we're here for.
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A brief announcement if you're a member of our budget to your
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Patreon. Our bonus episode on Scream
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Queen in season two came out over the weekend where we talked
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about the winner who will be featured in this episode today
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because they were featured in the movie we're discussing
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today. So.
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Yeah, so that's a lot of fun. Go check that out if you're a
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budget to your patron. If you're not a budget to your
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patron, you can be one. The link is in our show notes
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below. It's the very last part.
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Scroll all the way to the. Bottom we got all.
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Kinds of things. We're also going to be having an
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announcement next. Next week, Next week about the
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About the Patreon. Yeah, so you know.
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Some changes coming so. Be on the lookout for.
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That, yeah. So that's our announcements,
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right? Yes, that that's the
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announcement. All right, so I have polls this
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week, actually. And it's it's as stupid as the
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movie that we both loved. I'm so happy with it though.
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Yeah. OK, so we asked everybody this
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week if a hoot hollers in a forest and no one is around to
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hear it, it doesn't make a sound.
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So over on Twitter, 75% of the people out there believe it does
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make a sound while 25% believe it doesn't.
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And on Instagram, when 100% say yes, it makes a sound.
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I think the hoot is for the hooter, not necessarily for the
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holler. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. So if I hoot in the holler, or
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if I hoot and holler, you know, if I'm the only one to hear it,
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I think that's what it's what's in my heart, yeah.
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Yeah, I agree. I think it makes a sound.
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I mean, it's out there. It just has to be discovered.
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Can we get matching Hoot and Holler tattoos?
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I'll be hoot and you be holler. Yeah, I want to say like one of
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those necklaces, like 1/2 of the Broken Heart is Hoot and the
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other is Holler. I bet I could find, like, a
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broken heart necklace and I can grave it.
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Yeah. OK.
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OK. That's.
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Let's not forget to do it. OK, so that was our poll for
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last week's episode, which was wrong.
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Turn 4. So that's it.
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So let's get into our episode for this week.
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Yes, you have teased me with all kinds of crazy information.
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Right. Yeah.
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So this kind, some of it kind of started because I was trying to
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figure out it felt like maybe there was something going on
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behind the scenes with Scream Queens season 2.
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Not that I don't think Gabby deserved the win, but I was kind
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of like, hey, so our two finalists were a white woman and
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a Latino woman, and the role is for a Nazi, for white
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supremacists. I feel like maybe she was a
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little bit preordained. So I was trying to do some
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research, and I came across all kinds of drama that ended up
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being helpful more for this episode than for the Patreon
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episode. So that's where we're at.
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I'm very curious that you're. And yeah, if you wanna hear the
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journey of Gabby, you know Patreon again.
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Yeah, yeah. OK.
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So saw 3D or Saw the final chapter if you're watching it in
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two dimensions. Released October 29th, 2010.
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We watch it on DVD, but as of February 24th, 2024, you can
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rent it on YouTube, Google Play, Voodoo, or Prime.
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If you're listening to this on release day, maybe give it one
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more day and see if any of the streaming options got renewed.
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I remember it is on the Roku Channel, for those of you who
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have Roku out there. All right.
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Yeah, so it's free there. Written by Patrick Melton and
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Marcus Dunstan. Directed by Kevin Groiter.
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So yeah, you said that there was something spicy with that going.
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On we will get to that, but most of that is about that.
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Damn, that's not a lot of shit. Yes, this is a very dramatic
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shooting the. Fucking finale.
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It's got to be dramatic. Everything from behind the
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scenes to on camera. It's got to be huge.
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Yes, OK, Music by Charlie Klauser.
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Once again, special effects makeup.
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The special effects makeup was mostly done by Amy Spear, and I
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got a whole host of people involved in the prosthetics,
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which I think is just as important with the show.
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With this movie, once again we have Francois Dejanet, Darren
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Bishop, Patrick Baxter, Jeff Denishi, Jason Death Ridge, Kyle
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Glencross, Sean Sanson, Andrew Santegado, and Shane Zanders.
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A lot of prosthetics were involved in this starring Tobin
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Bella's Jigsaw, Costas Mandaloris Hoffman.
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Betsy Russell is Jill. Carrie Elwis is Lawrence Gordon
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the Doctor. Sean Patrick Flannery is Bonnie.
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Chad Donnello is Matt Gibson. Gina Holden is Joyce, Dean
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Armstrong as Kale, Tanedra Howard as Simone.
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Returning from her breakout role in Saw Six and premiering at her
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breakout role in Saw, The final Chapter is Gabby W as Kara.
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Also, Kale is our boy Daniel from Wrong Turn. 4 Fondunul
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himself, he ended up having not. He had a pretty decent role in
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this movie too. I was kind of surprised.
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I thought he would have like a smaller role.
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Yeah, I remember us. We didn't look up which
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character he was last week, but we just knew he was in this and
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I thought he was going to be one of the little saw shot boys.
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But he's actually the BFF, the lighter liar.
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Old and shot before wrong turn four.
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He looks so much older. He looks so much older.
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He's like, and we were talking about this, he's thinner, but
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not in like a good way. He looked very gaunt.
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Yes, he did. Yeah, he.
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He had the right amount of weight on him in wrong turn
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four, I think. He was rocking the middle part.
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In this. Movie, too.
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And that's unfortunate. OK, Travis, yes.
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Time for our favorite game budget.
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Oh, I'm Bug Ted. Well, big finale, grand finale
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at the time, so I'm going to go with budget.
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It is indeed budget. A lot of it was because they
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made the decision to shoot this in 3D, OK?
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And it was, at the time, the most expensive of the Saw films.
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Wow. It was $17 million budget.
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Wow. Wee.
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Opening box office once again for US and Canada.
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I don't know why. I've been getting a lot of those
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designations lately and I wonder if it's just because of the like
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whole 3D Ness of it all. But the opening box office was
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22.5 million and a worldwide gross of 136 million.
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Damn IMDb score of 5.5 out of 10.
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Wow, that's way better than I thought people would be on this
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movie. I thought people would trash
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this thing on IMDb. Yes, and it's fairly consistent
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with the two of the other ones I pulled.
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So my theme this week is gimmicky visual or direction
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style. Oh.
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I like that. So the first one is Piranha 3D.
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OK, big old three dude, this. Is another three.
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D. Was having.
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A big resurgence Jackass 3D also came out.
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This year? Mm hmm.
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We've actually been watching a lot of our 3D movies because of
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the the My Bloody Valentine 3D coverage we did a few weeks ago.
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Yeah, and none of them have fucking 3D anaglyph.
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Yeah, driving me fucking insane. And Travis bought 3D glasses so
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we could watch my 3D movies and 3D and it's not working out.
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Of them have it, man. It's fucking pissing me off.
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Anyway, Piranha 3D released August 20th 2010 budget of
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24,000,000 and a worldwide gross of 83,000,000.
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IMDb score of 5.5 out of 1010 out of 10 in our hearts here in
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this household, please go listen to one of our earlier episodes
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on this maybe. It's amazing.
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I feel like any time we plug one of our older episodes, I got a
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warn you, it's it's a little bit rougher back then.
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Josh Stolberg thought we hated this movie because of the name
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of our podcast. And we're like, no, it's
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sarcastic. We love.
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It. I forgot that he's like no.
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You are a hero on our show, Josh.
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I'm going to reach out soon. I'm going to be like, hey man,
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can you tell us some shit about some of the Saw movies you
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wrote? Please.
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Come on, man, we love you. OK, the second one.
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This particular gimmick is how low budget its effects are, and
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that is bird demic shock and terror.
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Oh fuck, we haven't watched. That we haven't watched it, but
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we watched a clip from it and the birds are faker than in The
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Birds by Alfred Hitchcock. It's so it's here.
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We're looking. That released February 27th,
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2010, A buggy bugged head of $10,000.
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That sounds right. No information on a worldwide
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gross and an IMDb score for 1.7 out of 10.
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I really want to watch it because that little clip I saw
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was like, oh, I feel like this movie knows exactly what it.
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Is, yeah, for sure. Man, it's. 1.7 That's brutal.
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That's the lowest I've ever heard.
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I feel like it doesn't deserve that low of a score because it
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clearly knows what it's doing. It's self aware.
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Yeah, Come on, guys. And then final is a found
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footage. OK.
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And I picked it for another reason which will become clear
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in a little bit can I guess. Yes, found footage 3D.
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It's not 3D. OK, this is found footage.
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That's the name of the movie found.
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Footage. Oh, OK, OK, OK.
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Paranormal Activity 2. Whoa, OK.
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So that released October 22nd, 2010, a budget of 3 million, a
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worldwide gross of 177 million, that Blumhouse method and an
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IMDb score of 5.7 out of 10, somehow the highest on this
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list. That's insane.
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That's a good movie, though. It is a good movie.
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I can't believe it's higher than Piranha.
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That movie is insanely good. I think people just think like,
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oh Piranha, that's not that great and.
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Dude, it's. Come on.
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No, man, it's so. Gallons of blood.
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I just remember like editing that as we were moving into the
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house, like surrounded by boxes. We had just gotten our Internet
11:10
connected. I remember those days, man.
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Early days, Early days, Aisha, I don't fuck around.
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He does not. OK, I got a lot of tag lines.
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A lot of them are variations of like in heart pounding 3D, in
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eye popping 3D. So I didn't write all of them
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down, 'cause it's fucking stupid and I hate it.
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Yeah, OK. The one on the poster is.
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In heart pounding 3D this. Halloween The traps come alive
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in real D3D. OK.
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Yeah, it's not that great. It's not selling me on the movie
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unless you're just trying to sell the 3D in this of it all,
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which. They spent enough money on it.
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The only 3D movie that I was genuinely excited to go see back
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then was Jackass 3D, because I was like, how the fuck are they
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going to do that in 3D? Saw three.
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DI was going to be like whatever.
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With more Dave England poop skits than normal.
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It's going to be poop flying at you.
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Poop. Flying and flying at you?
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Yeah, OK, the time has come for all to experience.
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The last act of a legend. OK.
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That's OK. Yeah, that's OK.
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I mean, and I wonder if maybe it would hit harder if this was
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actually the last movie that we know now in 2024.
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We know that there's at least one more coming out.
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Yeah, there's there's many more on the on the horizon after that
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one. Yeah, this Halloween, witness
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the final act. Come on, OK.
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Will you survive until the end? I don't know.
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Will I? Every month, every master
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Craftsman and all true geniuses always saves their best for
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last. That's good.
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I like that. I feel like Kevin Grader threw
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that in there, 'cause he was pissed and he's been involved in
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all of them. Oh, OK.
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So 'cause remember, Kevin Grader did the editing in The Early
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Ones and his directorial debut was Saw Six.
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Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, OK.
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So Saw 3D was greenlit in July 2009 with David Hackel of Saw
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Five set to direct returning riders Melton and Dunston.
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Pre production in September. Pre production occurred in
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September 2009, at the time it was called Saw End Game.
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I want to live in this alternate universe where we have to
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differentiate between whether we're talking about the SAW and
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game or the Marvel and game. Everybody keep fucking ripped
13:32
off. Saw you motherfuckers.
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I. Don't want to live in that
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world. So it was supposed to be two
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separate movies because they knew there was a lot of loose
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ends to wrap up and they wanted to give everybody answers to all
13:43
of their questions. However, after Saw Six did not
13:45
perform as well as they had wanted it to in the box office,
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the studio was afraid to green light more than one, so they
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were only allowed to do one more movie.
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Oh. Come on, guys.
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In January 2010, Twisted Pictures dismissed Hackel.
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Couldn't find out why. They just dismissed him as the
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director, and they made Kevin Grater come back because of a
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contractual clause. Kevin Grater was pissed because
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he was actually on set at Paramount about to start
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directing Paranormal Activity too.
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Yes. So not only was he pulled from
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that, but he was brought in two weeks before production before
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filming began. On this he missed all of the pre
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production, all of the script writing, all of the set
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building, the casting, all of that he came in.
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And because he had been involved in the franchise from the very
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beginning, he saw the script. He had what they called
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comprehensive rewrites two weeks before everything was supposed
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to start. But there's only so much you can
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do when sets are built, Prompts are ordered, cast cast members
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have been hired. There was only so much that can
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that he could do. And in an interview with, I want
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to say it was either Melton or Dunstan, it was one of the two
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of them. They were like, you know, and
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and he was upset. He was brought in.
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He didn't know what was going on.
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He's like had two weeks to get caught up, and he had all these
15:08
suggestions because he's been a part of the series and because
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he's been a part of the series. He knew what was and what was
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not realistic. But still, he had very lofty
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goals for what could be done. And apparently he had a blog
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going on at the time and he wrote about what was going on.
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I didn't read the blog, but he was pissed.
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This. Was not.
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And so when we were talking in our Patreon bonus episode about
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how he seemed very short with the final two actresses, I was
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like, it's because he didn't want to fucking be there.
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I can. I can see that now in his face.
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But at the time, though, they didn't even say he's going to be
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directing Saw three. DI feel like they may have
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pulled him in for that beforehand.
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And then, like, after he did that, like, all right, we're
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going to need to share to actually direct that movie now
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too. Yeah, so there was just a lot of
15:52
shit coming at them. They had a complete change in
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directors, one that was pissed and wanted to redo everything.
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They had to jam 2 movies worth of plot lines into one and then
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add on top of that. They're doing this 3D technology
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and it appears that all of the cast and crew were very split on
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the experience of working with 3D.
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Kevin Grater didn't like it because he was like, it's
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different than in 2D because if you shoot something from two
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different camera angles and say you've got light shining off of
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your arm in one shot but not in the other, when you do that
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composite image, it looks fucked up in 3D.
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So it makes it even more like you have to be very careful
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about how you shoot stuff. Mark Berg, one of the producers,
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was like, yeah, I mean I worked on My Bloody Valentine 3D.
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It's not that big a deal. We're fine with it.
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Oh, in the. 3D in that movie is so fucking good too.
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Yeah, I would have been like, comfortable.
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Like, OK, this guy knows what he's doing.
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Tobin Bell was like it's not going to affect my acting, and
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part of me wonders if that's because he had three minutes of
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screen time. He's not even.
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Like, barely in it, Yeah. Like the bill on my cap might be
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like a little bit coming in check.
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And Costas Mandalore said it was tedious and took too long.
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Costas in 3D? Come on, man.
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I feel like he would have like been the ones like, you know,
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one of the people there championing.
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He's like, I want to be in the theatre.
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The closest demands to be in the theatre, with these people
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sitting in the chair next to them.
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I do feel like this was one of the longest filming dates.
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Most of it took place on a in like a closed set in a studio.
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It went from February 8th, 2010 to April 12th, 2010.
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So that's a really long time for one of these movies.
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I saw movie. For sure.
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Yeah, it's almost I. Mean it's like twice as.
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Normal. Yeah, it's almost three months.
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So that's it's a really long time or is it two months,
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February to March, March to April, no, two months, 2 two
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months, OK. Whatever.
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Yeah, yeah, it is time. Math is always the weirdest
17:47
math. So yeah, this is a very fraught
17:51
production. And I think some of that comes
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through on screen and now some of the stuff makes more sense
17:57
having read that. So yeah, just really intense.
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And one of those that in like 10 years they're going to do a
18:05
documentary on, like, yeah, I can't wait for.
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That, yeah. And I'm actually just thinking
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of parts of this movie now and I'm going, oh.
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Yeah, yeah. Which is why I said that last
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tagline was Kevin Carter being petty because he was like, all
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right, yeah, cool, pull me in for this.
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And take me off. Paranormal activity, too.
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Can you imagine a world where Kevin Carter directed that one?
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I don't know, but like that, who directed that one that.
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One Todd. Todd Williams, I think, is his
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last name. Todd.
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Paranormal activity Two mm hmm. OK, well, I don't know.
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I mean he he was contracted like he, yeah, he knew that this was
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a possibility. He knew it was a possibility,
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but still you would think that there would be like a level of
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professional, like understanding that, like not working on
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something else. It's a fucking business.
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They got to like, turn this shit out.
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This is one of their fucking cash cows right here.
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Saw. Yeah, well, except for the fact
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that they decided that they were only going to do one more
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instead of two, even though they had plan out like this final one
19:07
being two stories. That's why they couldn't drop
19:09
the ball. So, and this is not something
19:11
that I found in my research today, but something that I'd
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read in the past, is that Joyce knew that Bobby was faking cause
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a lot of people cite hers as the most unfair death in the whole
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franchise. And apparently originally she
19:22
was in on it and there was like a scene cut that showed that she
19:26
knew it, but it was changed in this final cut.
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It's made very explicit throughout the rest of it that
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she did not know. So that change ended up and the
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time crunch they were in and the amount of, you know, what they
19:37
were able to work with left some stuff in that was confusing.
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And it's like, why is he, like, punishing her in one of the
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worst ways we've ever seen in this franchise, just for being
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married to a moron? Well, I have thoughts about that
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too. I mean The thing is, it's
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Hoffman who is like, you know, this thing in this series is he
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just kind of uses this as a Ave. for murdering.
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Yeah, maybe. Maybe John didn't actually have
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that as like she wasn't supposed to be in that and he's like now
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fuck her. No, this girl.
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I don't like the pantsuit she wears.
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She just needs to not be around because she has terrible
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judgement and partners. Yeah.
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Yeah, something like that. OK.
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All right. So all that being said, I'm very
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excited to talk about our good, bad, ugly and crazy in this one.
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OK, yeah, I guess our episode's just gonna be crazy this.
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It it has to be because that's that word is said about 50 times
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in this movie and they're all said by Chad Donnello.
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We did after this movie was over we did immediately put it on the
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first final destination and we discovered he's named Todd also
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with 1D. Like the director that took over
20:52
Paranormal Activity too. And we're like why does it spell
20:56
Todd with and we were coming up with all of the stupid possible
20:58
longer versions of Todd and Travis was like all right,
21:01
what's Todd short for? And it was actually transfer on
21:03
death. We're like.
21:05
That has to be intentional. I have never.
21:07
Heard anybody say that. I feel like I broke ground with
21:10
that discovery. I'm gonna take credit for it,
21:13
and I realize that I probably don't deserve.
21:16
It Jeffrey, Feel free to reach out to us when you're right,
21:18
your next movie. There are people way smarter out
21:20
there than me. I guarantee you somebody figured
21:22
that shit out. But I want to feel good about
21:24
myself for once. People.
21:26
I bet if I go listen to that old episode of the Dead Meat
21:28
Podcast, like the very first one I ever listened to, they'll be
21:31
like, yeah, he's named that because blah blah blah, and I've
21:33
forgotten it because it was three years ago that I listened
21:35
to it. OK, so we ready to go into our
21:39
thoughts on this one. Good, bad, ugly and crazy.
21:42
Great to see. Yeah, all right.
21:44
I guess I kick it off. Yeah.
21:45
So one of the things I like most about this entry is this is the
21:50
most slasher we get out of all of the Saw movies because we get
21:54
Kosis Hoffman going on his fucking he's.
21:56
Completely rogue. He is, and I love it.
21:59
It's so cool. It's like a different element to
22:01
all of these movies before, like we've had like the.
22:05
We saw his destruction in the end of six, like he went burned
22:10
all of his bridges. I like that.
22:11
I mean, it was a good way to, like, continue that story is
22:13
like, OK, well, he's fucked. How is he going to react to
22:16
that? And the way he reacts is like a
22:17
super entertaining thing to watch.
22:19
But no, I like that. Like, this series has kind of
22:22
had variety and like the stories it's told.
22:24
Like, we've had the police procedural thing in the first
22:27
one we've had just straight up torture porn and like most of
22:29
the rest of them. And then this one, like, we go,
22:32
like, let's just fucking turn it into a slasher halfway through,
22:34
too. Yeah, And that's what happens.
22:35
It's awesome. I love watching it.
22:38
I think the trap designs in this one are really well done.
22:41
Yeah, supposedly that garage trap was like had been pitched
22:46
numerous times for other movies and they were always told it was
22:48
too violent. The one with Chester?
22:50
Oh dude, it's so fucking violent, man.
22:52
Like, any time I watch that, I just cringe at all the shit
22:56
going down, like you see his skin peeling.
22:58
It's so disturbing. He worked with I Love Chester
23:02
Bennington and I am so sad at his passing.
23:06
It's very tragic. And apparently when he got this
23:10
part, he worked with an acting coach to make sure he gave the
23:13
best performance, even though all he does is like scream and
23:16
reaching. He was like, he was like, and I
23:17
had to access so many emotions and I had to really think about
23:20
my character's motivation, why I'm here, like how I would act.
23:24
If I'm being real, I was watching him last time.
23:26
I was like, damn, he is actually a really good actor.
23:28
I. Really is.
23:30
Really shocking as Christian was sick.
23:33
Really shocking. Yeah.
23:34
And like, side note like that was one of the moments where
23:39
Talia made us pause and I like just pulled out my phone and I
23:41
started playing Linkin Bark on Spotify.
23:44
Talia, yeah, we had to go. She had to go outside for her
23:47
little bathroom bathroom break and we had like a whole little
23:49
Linkin Park. Yeah, we toasted to Chester.
23:52
Yeah, but he he did a great job. I was very impressed with him
23:56
here he he outshine. He outshine Gabby.
23:59
He really did, Yeah. I mean, at least Gabby.
24:02
Even though she won like a supposedly breakout role and
24:04
then immediately got killed, at least she gets to say she worked
24:07
at Chester Bennington. That's.
24:08
True. Yeah, I tried it so and got so
24:14
far. And the other thing I have is I
24:16
really like the idea for like the the victim in this movie,
24:21
the guy that fakes being a jigsaw victim.
24:24
Like, I like that idea. That's an interesting take on
24:27
it. Like obviously there's going to
24:29
be fucking grifters out there that are going to do that.
24:31
Absolutely. Yeah, and I was.
24:33
It's cool to see like that, take on it.
24:35
I think probably one of the best real world comparisons I can
24:37
think of is like when we had the clown things happening a few
24:40
years ago and some of those were legit, like creepers out there
24:43
in the world and clown masks for whatever reason.
24:46
But then people started staging it so that way they could get
24:48
hits on their videos on the YouTube channel that should.
24:50
Have happened here in Kentucky, down the coast of Harlan, like
24:52
where I'm from, like like Bell County, like 30 minutes from
24:55
where I grew up. People like to hoot in the
24:56
holler. It's clowns, apparently.
24:58
Yeah. All right.
25:00
That's not good. All right.
25:03
This is, this is like the peak of the campiness of the
25:08
franchise. I think it's amazing.
25:12
It is, besides the first one, the most quotable I like.
25:17
I. Love it.
25:18
It's just so over the top in so many ways.
25:21
Like we get like the public, like we've thrown all sense of
25:25
like never mind that we have to suspend disbelief in other
25:28
movies, cuz it definitely has to happen.
25:30
Yeah, this one throw it all out the window.
25:34
Like none of it makes any like how did we set up this trap in
25:36
this public showcase, you know what I mean?
25:39
With the little wood boys. Yeah.
25:42
And we've got, like, there's just so much happening.
25:46
And I love. I can't even put it into words.
25:47
It's so over the top, it's. So over the top.
25:50
And it's so silly. And it is a person that you're
25:52
like, wow, it's really despicable to exploit other
25:55
people's tragedies and exploit other people's need for hope,
25:59
which is what he's doing. And it's one of those where he's
26:02
very much an unmitigated like, OK, maybe you do kind of deserve
26:06
a little bit of comeuppance in a way that like other people
26:09
you're like, OK, well, he had depression saying like just give
26:13
him a a prescription to Prozac instead of like throwing him in
26:17
a wire maze, you know, like, yeah, it like this is it's, it
26:22
is an uncomplicated movie. Yeah, it really is.
26:27
Also, we get Kerry Ellis hamming it appropriately hamming it up.
26:33
I love that he came back. One of the things in the first
26:36
movie that I would say is his acting didn't really hold up.
26:41
It's. Perfect for this.
26:43
And he was born to play Saw 3D Warrens, I think Warrens Gordon,
26:48
a doctor. I think one of the best things
26:51
about it too, because I talk all the time about how much I love
26:54
Robert Pattinson's interviews for the Twilight series.
26:57
Carrie Ellis did this series of interviews with other cast
27:00
members for like promoting Saw, The Final Chapter, and they were
27:04
asking like, which movie is this trap from?
27:06
And he just kept saying, is that a real trap?
27:08
Is that a thing? Who puts out a movie he's like.
27:10
So funny. Man, Any of them.
27:12
He didn't even know the ones from the first one that he was a
27:15
main character in. He fucking shit on the entire
27:18
series for so long because they fucked him hard.
27:21
But he did have like a really sweet thing where he was like, I
27:24
appreciate all of the fans that love me and have cheered me on.
27:28
I wouldn't be here without you guys, so, well, it's like he
27:31
might hate the franchise so he doesn't hate us who love it.
27:34
We need to. For.
27:36
People who don't remember go back and listen to our first Saw
27:39
episode if you haven't yet. But to just kind of summarize
27:41
it, he got fucked over like money wise.
27:44
Yes, I don't blame him. Him and him and Kevin Grayder
27:47
probably have an I Hate Twisted Pictures fan club right now.
27:51
Dude, they probably do like, they probably like, bonded hard
27:54
over that whole experience. He's probably the reason why he
27:57
got him back on this movie is like, Kevin's like, I fucking
27:59
hate this shit too. Come over here like let's just
28:01
bitch about it and make it like as over the top and.
28:03
Stupid as possible. Pretty sure I said it before,
28:05
but how do you get Dread Pirate Roberts on your cast and then
28:11
fuck him over like that? I know man.
28:13
I'm glad that it was resolved, though I'm glad that we at least
28:16
got to have him back in the series.
28:18
Yes, it does make me so sad that this was split into like it
28:22
could have been two movies and we could have gotten more of
28:24
Lawrence Gordon the Doctor. I don't.
28:26
Know I. Am very very upset about it, but
28:29
I do like what we get with him and I like that he once again is
28:33
morally ambiguous, but this time in favor of Jigsaw He.
28:37
He said that he was treating his character as though he had
28:39
Stockholm Syndrome and I wonder if part of that's relating to
28:43
real life. And I feel like a lot of his
28:44
lines are like 4th wall breaking.
28:46
I made notes of them in my notes, so we'll talk about them
28:49
when we get to. Them.
28:51
OK, cool. All right.
28:52
You got anything else? That's that's my main guy.
28:54
It's just it's uncomplicated fun.
28:56
Yeah, it really is. It's just stupid.
28:58
Fun Turn your brain off. Eat some popcorn.
29:01
Drink beer if you're into that. OK, all right, on to the bad.
29:06
So the first thing I have is I don't really feel like this
29:11
movie have enough to make the 3D worth it.
29:14
Like, I'm watching this as a 2D movie, and there's nothing that
29:17
I'm like, I'm really missing out on that experience with this one
29:21
right here. Like it's just like.
29:22
Yeah, where is like obviously I'm gonna draw this connection
29:25
because we just talked about it and also because of Mark Berg as
29:28
the, you know, the. Producer.
29:31
Tie in between the two of them. When we watched My Bloody
29:33
Valentine 3D, we both were like, I wouldn't hate watching this in
29:37
3D. I'd be curious to see what the
29:39
effects are because they look like they would be really
29:40
interesting. They aren't hammy and they do
29:43
seem like they would add a nice little bit, whereas in this it's
29:46
like, all right, we're going to have a drill coming at you or
29:49
we're going to throw a saw at the screen.
29:51
Yeah. Or there's like some maybe some
29:52
chunks, like a couple of pieces of chunks of like flesh coming
29:55
your way. But yeah.
29:56
And like when at one point there's like, and here's a Billy
29:58
in the foreground. Yeah.
29:59
It's like, OK is that really all you're giving me here?
30:02
Like, it's this isn't really like selling it for like being
30:05
And then that kind of makes sense with it being kind kind of
30:08
like a last minute decision. Yeah.
30:09
You were saying like where nobody was like fully on board
30:12
with it, like, you know, it's a. Very split decision.
30:15
Yeah, it it makes sense. I also feel like even though I
30:20
love the idea of Bobby being a little grifter, I feel like they
30:25
did not flush it out well at all.
30:27
Like there's so many things that you could poke a hole in like.
30:31
I would have loved a little bit more of a flashback scene, like
30:35
OK, so I'm sorry I'm butting in some with this.
30:38
OK, 'cause this is one of my bads too.
30:40
Is the is the timeline with everything is weird 'cause I
30:42
that. Was one of my last ones here,
30:43
yeah. Yeah, 'cause I said that last
30:45
night when he gets his tape and he says you've been doing this
30:50
for years. And I was like, I thought the
30:52
timeline between the first one has been a year at the most.
30:56
So, like, I know that like Jigsaw himself, like some of his
31:00
traps have been going on before the 1st movie came out, so
31:02
that's fine. But like, I feel like like
31:04
you're saying we needed a little bit more of that build up, like
31:07
showing like those becoming more prominent than getting the idea,
31:10
than scheming. I would have loved to see Bobby
31:13
and Kale scheming some, you know?
31:15
Yeah. It would have been nice to have
31:16
something like that. But yeah.
31:17
I'm also thinking like, OK would they with the like, who all is
31:24
actually buying this? Because I feel like the cops
31:26
would have noted like this is something sketchy.
31:28
Like we don't have any records of any shit like this going
31:30
down. This guy is just telling stories
31:32
like this, like he's not being real about it.
31:36
I feel like they would have said something about it.
31:38
Yes, I was thinking about like a Gone Girl type situation or like
31:41
that fucking documentary we watched that everybody was real
31:44
crazy about on Netflix. That was a very similar kind of
31:47
Gone Girl thing. Like, so did he just appear one
31:50
day with bloody titties and his wife like helped heal him?
31:55
He. Actually do like they actually
31:56
cut himself. Yeah, he had like little scars.
31:58
So he did OK, yeah. Which I don't think that he
32:01
could have used scar wax, because presumably he is still
32:03
fucking his wife, because he seems like the type.
32:04
He would probably fuck his wife if she had titty scars, you
32:07
know, or she had bleeding titties.
32:09
Not when she had titty scars. He'd be like, we need to, we
32:11
need to laser that. Shit, OK.
32:16
Anyway. So I'm.
32:17
Sorry, that's just painting like a like a weird mental image of
32:20
like, just like blood coming out with the nipples.
32:22
I'm like, what the fuck is happening?
32:23
Oh my God. Oh yeah, yeah.
32:25
No. The thing that, like I'm
32:26
thinking though is like Jigsaw has never made this shit
32:31
private. He puts that shit front and
32:33
center. He wants the cops to know about
32:35
it. So like, if there's one where
32:37
some dudes claiming, hey, he had me too, and they're like, OK,
32:41
well, we never knew about it. Like, he he always has, like so
32:45
many other people involved in these two.
32:47
Like, I don't know, like it's just, it doesn't make any sense.
32:51
Yeah, it falls apart if you think about it too hard.
32:54
Yeah, like, did he just show up bloody, saying he was attacked
32:58
and then the cops? Like, what?
33:00
Weren't ever able to find the location?
33:02
Yeah. You know it doesn't make any.
33:03
Sense like would he not have reported it?
33:05
Would the cops not have asked questions once he put out his
33:08
memoir? Yeah.
33:09
Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'll give it a pass because I do
33:12
like the idea of that though. But yeah, yeah, OK.
33:15
Yeah, I think it would have been really great to see how he
33:18
managed to convince the cops. Yeah, I would have liked to have
33:20
seen that. My bad.
33:24
Besides that cause the timeline fuckery was a big part of my
33:28
bad. The other one is the blood.
33:30
The fake blood. Oh.
33:30
Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, it's not good.
33:32
And here's my thoughts on exactly what happened, based on
33:36
my experience and I might be off the mark.
33:38
But this is what has happened to me when I have tried to make my
33:40
own fake blood. And it's when you've got a jar
33:44
or a glass or whatever and you fill it up with water and
33:47
cornstarch or whatever else you're using as a thickening
33:49
agent. You put in the drops and it's
33:51
the same as if you're doing like cookie frosting or coloring
33:53
batter for like a cake or something.
33:56
Yeah, it's always gonna look darker when it's in like a
33:59
liquid form and it's in a big pile.
34:03
Once it spreads out, bakes, dries, whatever, whatever have
34:07
you, it lightens up. Especially with something like
34:10
water and corn starch and food coloring.
34:14
And I think cuz I've had this happen where I've tried to do
34:17
like some fake blood just on my shirt, last minute spur of the
34:21
moment, cosplay type thing and it came out pink, like what we
34:25
see in the movie over and over again.
34:27
So I think they're fake blood for whatever reason, if it has
34:31
something to do with issues with the 3D technology, which it
34:34
shouldn't because of Berg, but whatever, it sounds like he was
34:36
kind of fucking over all this at this point.
34:38
Anyway. I wonder if it was like some
34:41
sort of an issue where they couldn't make it as viscous as
34:43
they needed it to be. So as soon as it like dried or
34:46
thinned out in any kind of way, it became super pink.
34:50
But it's very distracting the entire time.
34:52
And then you can obviously tell that there's like digital
34:55
effects over top of it. And it's like if you're doing
34:56
digital effects, make it fucking red.
34:59
And just you also have to imagine real D3D at this time
35:03
wasn't even like the red and blue glasses anymore.
35:05
It's the little sunglasses that you get at the dorky little
35:08
Cinemark and you have to put it back in the like, recycle and
35:11
we'll sanitize it later. Then like, I don't know.
35:14
What they were doing, I thought they were just throwing that
35:15
shit away and recycling. It Oh no, they definitely like
35:18
sprayed like some Lysol on it back.
35:22
That's that's way smarter than when I was singing.
35:25
But yeah, just color correct it. If you're doing that shit, it's.
35:28
Always. So no inside we get pink foam.
35:31
Yeah, the entire time. OK, I agree with that.
35:34
All right. Ugly.
35:36
All right, so my ugly is they killed Joyce.
35:40
And like, she had nothing to do with this.
35:42
She was a fucking victim. She had a husband who lied about
35:45
shit. And you know.
35:47
I think what frustrates me even more about all of that is she
35:50
didn't even have it. Like she had no agency in any of
35:54
her game. Yeah, like she couldn't plead
35:57
for him to do anything because like, Jigsaw knew that he was
36:02
going to fail that trap. If I were to make an adjustment,
36:06
I would have made Kell that person at the end, because he
36:10
was the one that gave him the idea in the first place.
36:13
Yeah. And then Joyce lies.
36:14
Like, blind to his lies or something.
36:15
Yeah. Yeah, you know, like it just
36:18
makes more sense. Yeah, like flip flop them.
36:20
That makes sense. Yeah.
36:21
Yeah, OK. Yeah.
36:23
And then you're the noose that hanged your wife.
36:26
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
36:27
Boom. That's an easy rewrite.
36:28
Yeah, for sure. And like, I mean, still, she
36:30
could survive there, and it would still be ugly that she
36:32
would be there, but it would also still fall in line with
36:34
Hoffman's character. Yeah, and then she can divorce
36:37
his ass afterwards. Leave him.
36:39
Well, she'd probably still die. So I guess it's like a.
36:42
Form of divorce? It's just a little bit more
36:44
extreme. OK, what's your ugly?
36:48
So there's a lot of like specifically, like, derogatory
36:55
towards women language in this movie in a way that I feel like
36:58
there isn't another movie. It's like a lot of uses the
37:01
words bitch and like, slut and like specifically calling Jill
37:05
crazy, even in context that it doesn't make sense.
37:08
Like, we love joking around about it because it's so fucking
37:11
over the top. Not because, like, we think
37:14
like, Oh yeah, she's actually quite like, She's like, he's
37:17
like, oh, you knew? You put this reverse bear trap
37:21
on his head and she's like, yeah, he was trying to kill me
37:23
because you're crazy. What?
37:24
Because she didn't want to die. I.
37:26
Just was like, well, you got this right here and it's your
37:28
fucking handprints. After he touched it without
37:31
fucking gloves on, it's still evidence, Gibson.
37:35
Yeah. So I like that's just weird to
37:37
me in a way that makes me very like it's not there in the other
37:43
movies the same way. Yeah, a little bit more.
37:45
Yeah, maybe. It was Gruyter just taking out
37:48
his anger in like, a bad way. Like fuck you throwing like a
37:52
real hard. Bitch, right?
37:53
Here, bitch. Yeah.
37:56
So I think that's that's probably like the biggest thing
37:59
that stands out to me. Oh, oh, also like that whole,
38:02
like the opening thing, like the way that they decide that
38:05
they're they're like, yeah. Fuck this hoe like.
38:07
I mean, yeah, it's not cool that she is cheating on both of you.
38:10
I get that. I agree with you.
38:13
Yeah. But it's weird than an alive or
38:14
death situation. They're like, close your fucking
38:16
legs, Dina. The thing about that is it could
38:20
have been so easy. Like, hey, just put it halfway
38:22
in between you and Dina. It'll cut her side a little bit,
38:24
but she could maybe survive that.
38:26
Yeah, that seems like a more survivable trap than most.
38:29
And also, I feel like they could have agreed on Let's save each
38:32
other in a more heartfelt kind of way, as opposed to fuck a
38:36
how. You know what I mean, because
38:38
that's what it ultimately becomes.
38:39
But. They were like I I always
38:41
thought that they were high schoolers, so I felt like they
38:43
were just kind of overpowered by their emotions in that moment.
38:47
Dude, I need you to look at the IODB page for the two bubbies
38:52
because they look so similar nowadays in the little eye.
38:55
Like I want to watch a buddy movie with them being bubbies.
38:58
Hold on. They didn't look anything alike
39:01
in the opening of this. Movie they didn't.
39:02
But they look like they could be like, bestie.
39:05
Like, it feels like it could be another type of horror movie
39:08
where like, there's a trio, It's the two of them plus one of plus
39:13
the girlfriend of one of them. But like, she's like, we could
39:16
have the whole movie of what was happening with them before this
39:19
happened. OK, yeah, yeah, Sebastian
39:21
Piggott. Look at him, his little curly
39:23
hair in his mustache and then like a John core with his little
39:26
curly hair in his mustache. And they both look Hipster Indy
39:29
in their little IMDb profile. From like a.
39:31
Little 8 by 8 image comparison. I can see the reason.
39:34
Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I could see them.
39:36
I want to see them in things together because they had a
39:39
decent chemistry for the garbage they were given to work with.
39:41
That's that's true. Yeah.
39:42
And that this that scene is also has one of my favorite lives.
39:46
I think we're breaking up with you, Dina.
39:48
I. Love it so much.
39:49
It's so stupid, OK? All right.
39:51
What's your? Crazy.
39:52
All right, all right. First off, I have Matt Gibson
39:55
doing his Matthew McConaughey impression.
39:57
That's. Going to be mine because we're
40:00
going to watch it. What's like, does he?
40:02
Cathy McConaughey. You have to give before you can.
40:05
Receive. You're not.
40:08
You don't speak like this in any other scene, dude.
40:11
Do you think before he came on to set that day, he went?
40:18
He probably. Did he's?
40:19
Probably channeling Matthew McConaughey in that.
40:21
Moment, I think it proves myself.
40:23
Oh, you. Yeah, you.
40:24
Don't too much. Jesse, that's terrible for you.
40:28
OK, well then the other thing I have is we've had all kinds of
40:32
like various forms of weird and crazy, the aging effects, but
40:37
and this one right here. It's just a fucking.
40:40
Backwards cap. I get it.
40:43
This thing gets picked on all the time.
40:45
But I think it's hilarious that they're like, all right, we got
40:47
to take this back in time a little bit, give them the
40:51
backwards cap. Also, I feel like, OK, I'm going
40:53
to piggyback off this, this is my crazy, but it's not
40:56
necessarily about the movie, but it's about the lore behind the
40:58
movie. OK, which is where people meme
41:00
that moment. But in the meme I see reference
41:03
the most, it says Saw six because that one is very
41:06
flashback heavy with John Kramer and P Rock I.
41:08
Would have thought it was saw six also.
41:09
Yeah, because people are just like, Oh yeah, Flash.
41:12
There's lots of John Kramer flashbacks in that one, but it's
41:14
this one. Yeah, I know I would have.
41:17
I would have always died with saw six.
41:19
But yeah, no, it's this one. And like, I don't think that
41:23
like, a backwards hat is like necessarily like a stupid thing.
41:25
I just think it's a stupid way to try and make somebody appear
41:29
younger. You know, like Steve Pissimmee
41:31
type shit right there. Yeah, hello fellow.
41:34
Kids. Yeah, it's just exactly like
41:35
that. It's so dumb.
41:36
Yeah. All right, so I guess we got her
41:38
crazy out the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:40
All right, so time to read it. OK.
41:41
All right, boy, this is a fucking wild ride.
41:45
But I have a lot of fun with this one, so I think I'm going
41:48
to give it an 8. Oh my God, I was going to give
41:50
it an 8 also. Yeah, and listen guys, this is
41:54
honestly, at the end of the day, our ratings are a fun scale.
41:58
Yeah, it really is. We're not being critics.
42:00
Yeah, like, is it enjoyable? Is it rewatchable?
42:03
Like, how often do we think about this?
42:06
This movie lives in my head at all times.
42:09
Yeah, same here, man. Like, I think about this one a
42:11
lot. But like, also at the same time,
42:15
we don't really give, like, actual criticisms.
42:18
Like, the whole thing for this is just entertainment.
42:20
You know what I. Mean.
42:20
The whole thing is that like, people just fucking love movies
42:23
and they hate movies for different reasons.
42:25
We're not bad horror movie fans because we enjoy this and you're
42:28
not a bad horror movie fan if you hate it.
42:29
We can all like different things.
42:31
This is why we like this particular movie.
42:34
We did an episode with our friend Mike Thompson where we
42:37
talked about The Changeling, and I fucking hate that movie and I
42:40
talked about it the whole time. But I also talked about how I
42:43
understand why people love it. I get why Mike rated it so
42:47
highly. I get why it's a classic.
42:49
I fucking hate it. I am still probably like one of
42:54
the biggest horror fans outside of my horror fan friend group.
42:59
Like. Like, just like in my family in
43:02
general, people are like, have you watched this movie?
43:03
Because they're like, she knows everything.
43:05
Horror or like at work, it's like, hey, here's a spooky
43:07
thing, But you knew that already.
43:09
So like, it. It doesn't.
43:12
You know, everybody's got different things they like.
43:14
And I think that's what's so great about art in general and
43:17
about horror specifically, because it still brings us all
43:19
together. Yeah, exactly so.
43:21
Very cool. So we got a starting average of
43:23
eight. Yes, Fantastic.
43:25
We start off with a flashback to Lawrence Gordon, a doctor
43:29
slugging his way out of the bathroom, leaving a slimy little
43:32
trail of leg blood. But not for long, because he's
43:35
going to cauterize it up against the furnace and scream for an
43:39
hour. I'm sorry, but the way that you
43:41
just described that, I just kind of pictured him as a slug, just
43:44
kind of like leaving a trail behind.
43:46
What? That is what happened.
43:48
I guess it's kind of a slug in this moment here.
43:51
All right. So yeah, he's alive.
43:54
That must have been huge back in the theater.
43:56
Whenever. That came out, yeah, I.
43:57
Would have fucking watched him. I'm trying to remember how I
43:59
felt, cuz I know I definitely. I came home from school and I
44:04
watched this with my mom, OK? So I'm trying to remember cuz I
44:08
did that. This was also the next year is
44:10
when screen four came out and I got carted at the theater.
44:13
So I'm trying to remember. I feel like we both went home.
44:17
I didn't watch. I only watched one in theaters
44:20
and it was 3. So yeah, either way, fucking
44:24
crazy. Crazy.
44:25
Crazy. So we cut to some public jigsaw
44:28
in We got Brad and Ryan and Nina in the world's worst love
44:32
triangle. It sounds like Dean is just an
44:33
insufferable person. Seems like it's also kind of
44:36
crazy that this is like this whole thing has been staged in
44:40
the middle of a busy fucking city.
44:42
It feels like an like almost. Like in an outlet mall type
44:46
situation and they've got like a little storefront showcase room
44:50
type thing, that's what it is cuz it's like construction
44:52
materials is what they're like is on the banner behind them.
44:55
Yeah, but it's also just kind of weird because everybody just
44:58
suddenly notices it at the same time.
45:00
Yeah. And we don't see any, like,
45:02
curtain being pulled back or anything.
45:03
Like, it's all just like been there in the open and everybody
45:05
suddenly is like, hey. Yeah, I wonder if maybe they
45:10
thought it was like a prop thing until because the jigsaw tape is
45:13
set is playing on like overhead speakers too.
45:16
Can you imagine though? Like, what kind of thing are you
45:18
trying to sell me with this girl being held over top of a bus
45:21
saw? Right.
45:23
Like, wow, Somebody just got fired from their job setting up
45:26
the display. So the tape says something about
45:30
proof who's the real alpha male. And that's just fucking stupid.
45:33
I think it's hilarious that Hoffman at all like, yeah, he's.
45:36
Yeah, he definitely, yeah, he was like, which would have used
45:39
the real alpha male. I referred to him as Hoff in my
45:42
notes exclusively, and I don't know what made me made that
45:44
decision, but it just feels correct for him, 'cause I feel
45:46
like he would call himself the Hoff, the Hoff.
45:48
Yeah, that's David Hoff. Hasselhoff.
45:51
Hasselhoff. Yeah, he's the Hoff.
45:53
Yeah, but I feel like Hoffman would call himself the Hoff, you
45:57
know what I mean? Yeah, I guess the other one
45:59
could just be the hassle. This guy.
46:03
Detective Hoffman's the hassle, so but whatever.
46:06
Yeah. Anyway, so they keep going back
46:10
and forth, they're cutting each other.
46:11
And then at one point Ryan says this is the chick that fucked me
46:15
in your bed two. Or is the chick that fucked me
46:18
in your bed two days ago with your life?
46:22
Well, yeah. And she's Dina is kind of making
46:24
it easy too, because she's just siding with the winner each time
46:27
that they get like a little bit of leverage.
46:29
Yeah, she's like, oh, I had to root for him because, you know,
46:32
I would die otherwise. I'm not going to lie, though.
46:34
I love that kind of like, graspy voice that she has.
46:37
I can see why they were seduced by her.
46:39
Yeah, I could see it too, but she's a trash person here.
46:41
Yeah. And so then they decided they're
46:43
going to keep the sauce straight up and they're like, what are
46:44
you doing? And Brad goes.
46:46
I think we're breaking up with you, Gina.
46:48
I love. That so much.
46:51
I love how everybody's just kind of watching.
46:52
Like they're like the guys are over there, like do something.
46:55
They're all just watching. Like somebody.
46:57
At one point there was a briefcase at the window.
46:59
I was like, it's bulletproof glass.
47:02
Yeah. And then when the cops finally
47:04
get there, after the game's already over, her intestines are
47:07
fully falling out. They're like get a medic.
47:09
Finally. Yeah.
47:10
All right. I mean, Brad's got a little cut
47:13
to his tum tum, but that's it, yeah.
47:15
You're not saving Dean, though. She's fucked.
47:18
All right, so now we get I have recap of Saw Six because we need
47:21
to know what happened in the last movie, obviously.
47:23
Yeah, you have his Costas surviving.
47:26
The reverse bear Trap I'm. Sorry Hoffman, surviving the
47:28
reverse bear trap. They have a chase scene, and I
47:34
think this is where we fully see the struggle between Betsy
47:37
Russell and Costas Mandalor coming to light, because it
47:42
feels as though they refuse to if you're on set with one
47:45
another. Because every scene of them
47:48
together, you actually don't see them share a shot.
47:50
And if you do see them sharing a shot, one of them has their face
47:53
turned away, so it could feasibly be a stunt.
47:55
Double. And we like, rewound the movie a
47:57
few times. So I'd be like, OK, like, is
47:59
this a body double? And it seems like every single
48:02
one of those shots, it's plausible for it to have been
48:04
somebody else. Yes, decent body double, but
48:07
body double plausibility nonetheless.
48:10
Yeah, so Hoffman is just walking around.
48:12
He is bandaging himself up, wrapping his hand, cleaning up
48:15
his face where he got torn up. Dude, when we were in the craft
48:18
aisle earlier at the store and I saw the curved needles, all I
48:22
could think of was him sewing his face can.
48:24
You imagine how much that hurt. No, I can't even get a shot.
48:28
I'm such a baby. I couldn't sew up my own face.
48:30
I know I'd just be like, well, guess I just have flappy face
48:33
now. We're not Kosis.
48:35
Or talent. That's true.
48:37
Tired. Related.
48:38
Hard to that. Moment.
48:39
Yeah, she was like, she was like, this is what you guys did
48:41
to me. Yeah, by the way, for anybody
48:43
new listener she she just had surgery.
48:45
We didn't. Yeah.
48:46
Get her. Yeah.
48:46
No, no, she she had a tumor in her jaw.
48:48
In the hand to remove it. Yeah.
48:50
It was very. It saved her life, literally.
48:52
So, you know, we we didn't put her in a reverse bear trap.
48:55
She had, she had lots of good drugs.
48:57
Yeah. And we stayed home with her for
48:59
two weeks. Yeah.
49:00
Yeah. OK, so he's also catching the
49:02
news report about William Eason being found dead.
49:06
Yeah. All right, so Joe has an
49:07
interview with Matt Gibson because she's requesting.
49:10
Him. Yeah.
49:10
She said she wants to talk to him specifically because he's an
49:12
internal affairs and that's very smart because Hoffman is a
49:17
disgraced cop now. He was wanted for murder and she
49:20
was like, if you give me immunity and safety, I will tell
49:24
you everything I know. Obviously I was married to
49:26
Jigsaw and you guys have been wanting Tom with me and he says
49:29
to receive you must give. Yeah, what she does tell him.
49:34
And you're like, OK, well, Hoffman is involved in and.
49:37
She's like, oh, so Hoffman is burning his IDs, which why, Like
49:43
they all know who you're you. He's just trying to go off the
49:47
grid, I guess. I don't fucking know what's
49:49
going on here. He's also smashing his phone for
49:51
the sweet 3D shots. Leave your shit just behind What
49:55
is burning doing for any? But you're not erasing your
49:57
identity. I feel like with the phone
49:59
smashing they were trying to get like fragments of the phone like
50:02
going out at the screen but like I saw it and like nothing went
50:05
towards the screen. So we did a rage room a few
50:07
months ago and we took a lot of slow motion videos and in our
50:11
heads we thought they'd be really cool.
50:13
And when we watch them it's just like yeah, like some of them
50:16
there were some that were really cool but then some like cuz we
50:19
paid extra for these little powder filled bottles and it
50:22
those were. Cool.
50:24
Yours were. Mine was kind of underwhelming
50:27
because I didn't know what I was.
50:28
I went first and it was just like.
50:31
Pooping and I. Was like, well, that's.
50:33
Not gonna make the final edit, I guess it's.
50:35
Kind of what they thought for. Yeah.
50:37
This. Scene here So okay.
50:40
And then he pulls out the picture of the next target.
50:43
And it's Bobby. Yeah, so Bobby is doing a press
50:46
tour for his book. Survive.
50:49
I didn't write what the undercard title was, but it's
50:51
not. That's the important thing.
50:53
Yes. Survive with periods after it
50:54
like Friends, except it actually leak stands for something,
50:57
unlike friends. I mean, Friends stands for
50:59
things, but not like Fri. And yes, yes, yeah, he gets
51:03
scolded by his PR, his publicist, his PR agent for not
51:07
kissing his wife at the end of his tail.
51:09
So his whole thing is so he survived A Jigsaw trap and he
51:12
had to put hooks through his titties and connect some wires.
51:17
Yeah, like a plug in, Like a like some power.
51:20
Like electricity. I don't fucking know.
51:22
Yeah, I I don't know what the his full thing was but just kind
51:25
of drive. This shit off the top of it
51:26
says, Like, yeah, I had to climb up with like shit in my tits and
51:29
like, yeah, had to plug something in.
51:32
It was wild. Yeah, as we all do at some point
51:34
in our lives. Just usually never all at once.
51:36
And everybody else is like, I don't know, man, Jigsaw is
51:38
usually pretty inventive. With this I.
51:41
Feel like there are like mothers out there who like, I've had
51:43
suckling babies at metit and I've had to plug in and then
51:46
apply once before it seems doable.
51:48
God. Damn, dude.
51:51
My God. OK, sorry.
51:53
Talking about the gravity of a nipple for a minute the.
51:56
Gravity of a nipple. We had a dog.
51:59
Her name was Nelson and she had puppies and it was an unplanned
52:04
teenage pregnancy. She wasn't prepared for
52:06
motherhood. She had.
52:08
So she had eight puppies and they were huge.
52:10
And we had no clue how she held that many puppies inside of her,
52:13
because she didn't even look like she was ready for delivery
52:15
when she actually had the puppies.
52:17
And they were all such adorable puppies.
52:19
Like I said, they were giant, and so she had to nurse them
52:22
pretty regularly. And one day, she was.
52:23
Just. Fucking tired of it.
52:26
Like one or two were still nursing and she just stood up
52:30
and the puppies were just dangling from her and we had to
52:33
like, go and try and get the puppies off of her before they
52:36
fell. That was a salt trap for.
52:39
A dog right there. That's.
52:40
A nightmare? She's just she.
52:43
Wasn't she wasn't ready for motherhood.
52:45
She she was a surrogate for a for a lot of puppy parents out
52:50
there. Take that dog on a press store.
52:54
OK, so we now see Jill gets pig Nets and then it's Hoffman he
53:02
hasn't rigged up into a wild little trap here.
53:04
You know the only wrong thing about killing you, Jill.
53:08
I only. Get to do it once.
53:10
And we see her get shredded in half and then we find out it's
53:15
just a dream. The only dream sequence we get
53:17
in all of this all franchise, and I think that holds true even
53:20
to today. Yeah, this isn't kind of weird.
53:22
It is kind of weird, but I also feel like it's very fitting for
53:25
the specific entry in the franchise.
53:27
I would also allow it in Spiral. They just wanted like they
53:31
wanted. To like have a death scene for
53:33
her, like I guess they get to in this movie.
53:35
Yeah, so like they just wanted like this for three DI get some
53:38
of chunks of Jewel flying at Trigger.
53:40
I feel like they're like Betsy Russell is hot and we need to
53:43
show it off a little bit more. And I feel like Betsy Russell
53:45
was like, I'm hot, we need to show it off a little bit more.
53:48
So that's what they did. They put a little nighty in tour
53:51
asunder. Yeah.
53:53
OK, so now we get Gabby. Gabby.
53:57
From Scream Queens. Too she gets her big scene here.
54:00
I'm happy that they didn't phrase it in Scream Queens as a
54:03
breakout role, because this obviously isn't a.
54:05
Breakout role right here she gets.
54:07
Help me at it. And that's about it.
54:09
Yeah. And she screams.
54:11
We talked. Funny about her and our Scream
54:13
Queens Patreon episode for this month, but I have a theory that
54:17
like, she probably would have had way more Ranger mobility in
54:20
the scene. She can't hit a fucking.
54:22
Mark She can't hit her. Mark she.
54:23
Can't miss a mark if she doesn't have one.
54:25
She struggled so much in Scream Queens to be able to, like, hit.
54:28
Like she had like a cue that she would have to hit and she
54:30
couldn't do it. So in like this movie, like
54:32
Kevin's just like, fuck it. Tie her down, put her underneath
54:35
the wheel. She's not going anywhere.
54:37
Just scream for me, please. She did have an interview where
54:40
she talked about having the prosthetic made for her head and
54:43
she said it's so fucking scary. She was like layers and layers.
54:47
You can't hear anything. All you have keeping you
54:49
breathing is 2 straws in your nose.
54:51
It's terrifying. Yeah, 'cause they had to make a
54:53
mold of her head so that way they could squeeze it.
54:55
Yeah, yeah. I imagine it's gotta be
54:57
claustrophobic, yeah. And we also get Linkin Park.
55:01
Poor little. I'm gonna there's probably as
55:04
long as I can. I have the time to edit it and
55:06
there's probably gonna be several Linkin Park moments
55:09
throughout this episode and it's just because I really love
55:12
Chester and miss him and God, he hybrid theory was a huge part of
55:16
my life. He.
55:16
Kills it in the scene. He was, because he learns that,
55:20
you know, things in life are a little bit more than skin deep.
55:29
Oh, and his skin is gonna be coming off in the scene here.
55:33
Yeah, so he's a white supremacist.
55:37
Not exactly the most flattering role for him.
55:39
But you know what? Dude took it like a champ.
55:41
He did a good job. I like that he like, was like,
55:43
listen, my heads already shaved, so that's cool.
55:45
But please don't put any, like, big swastika tattoos.
55:48
Don't. Give me, just give me like so.
55:51
Let me have some dignity in this role play.
55:53
Like you're gonna you're gonna show, like, my back muscles a
55:56
little bit. Can we just, you know, No, no
55:58
swastikas, please. Yeah, so OK, they he's in the
56:03
car. We got Gabby, his girlfriend.
56:06
She's underneath one of the. Wheels.
56:07
Her character's name is Kara. Yeah, one of He's got two
56:11
bubbies that are outside of the car.
56:13
One of them's got the chain. Through his jaw, yeah, much like
56:16
Troy, yeah. Through the jaw and in his arms.
56:21
I was gonna say his front arms, they're just they're just arms.
56:24
And then the other bubby is like up against the garage wall.
56:27
So basically he's got to reach for a lever in the engine to
56:31
pull it before the brake, before the jacks give out underneath
56:35
his car, 'cause otherwise it'll squish Kara's head, pull off his
56:38
friend's jaw and arms and run into the other guy.
56:41
And then eventually when he crashes, he'll go flying
56:43
through. His back is super glued to the
56:47
seat of his car and so like he has to pull off multiple layers
56:51
of Dermis 2 the. Thing about this is most jigsaw
56:55
traps 60 seconds, but I think this time they get the white
56:58
supremacist tax which cuts that in half.
57:00
They only have 30 seconds to do. This.
57:02
It feels very much like the difference between Jeff and
57:04
Riggs. Where?
57:05
Yeah. Jeff and three hours to move
57:08
through a warehouse and Riggs had 60 minutes to get through an
57:11
entire through all of Sawville. Yes, I saw, though I forgot that
57:15
that's the name of this. Place.
57:17
But like in this point right here, I feel like it's like
57:19
Kaufman. 'S like I.
57:20
Think we should. Have the white supremacist tax
57:22
for things. Oh, you have to do something and
57:23
pass it. Let's make it faster.
57:24
Yeah, a little bit, a little. Bit more difficult, yeah, as our
57:27
friend Chad. As our friend Chad says, just
57:29
punch everyone else you meet. Yeah, I agree with that
57:32
philosophy in life. I mean, I honestly feel like
57:34
Kaufman's like, like, I'm going to make it look like I gave you
57:37
guys a chance. But like, really, you guys are
57:38
just like, scum. Like, I'm just going to get rid
57:40
of you. Yeah.
57:41
And I mean, that's kind of what happens.
57:43
So, like, Chester ends up tearing most of his back off,
57:47
and then he never makes it to the lever, crushes Kara, slash
57:52
Gabby's skull, rips his bubby's arms off, and then the car
57:55
drives through the garage door wall and kills the other dude.
57:58
And then it sends him flying through the windshield into
58:00
another car because it's like a junkyard.
58:03
Yeah, so everybody did. It's a pretty, pretty brutal
58:10
crime scene. And like I said at the
58:12
beginning, this is a trap, apparently, that they've had in
58:14
mind for a while and it kept getting nixed as being too
58:17
violent. And I guess at this point
58:18
they're like, nothing's probably too violent for this at this
58:21
point, which they wouldn't. You love to see Damian Leon
58:27
design A saw trap. Dude, I would want his effects
58:30
on a saw trap for sure. It would be awesome.
58:33
It would be great. Maybe someday.
58:36
I'm sure he would be down for something like that.
58:38
Yeah, he probably. I don't know if he could work
58:40
within like, Lion's Cave and Twisted Pictures.
58:43
No, I don't think he could handle a studio telling him what
58:45
he's not allowed to do. They needed to give him saw X or
58:49
socks and like, make it actually like X-rated.
58:52
Yeah, you know what I mean. Oh my God, Socks.
58:54
Rated? Yeah, Exactly.
58:55
Socks rated? Yeah.
58:57
OK, so I think this is a really cool thing because we cut from
59:01
one Scream Queen winner to another Scream queen winner
59:03
because we get to Nidra's character.
59:06
Yes, and Mountain. The support group for the jigsaw
59:09
survivors. Bobby is leading and there's
59:11
cameras filming and it feels very disrespectful because
59:15
support groups like those are generally meant to be anonymous,
59:17
so you can. Yeah.
59:18
It's so invasive. I can't believe, like,
59:20
everybody's just kind of going along with this.
59:22
Yeah, so we've got, we've got some returning cast.
59:24
Like we've got the mom from the last one.
59:26
I think her name's Tara. Tara.
59:28
Yeah, we've got the little trust fund split arm baby boy from
59:33
Part 5. Guys, we have watched this movie
59:36
100 fucking times and we just realized that was him the first
59:39
time last night. And one of the women from the
59:43
dog pit? Yeah, as well.
59:45
And you also get the older woman from when it's like you got to
59:50
choose the old lady here or this guy with the sad life here from
59:53
Soft Six. Yeah.
59:55
So, and then there's another woman who's talking about how
59:58
she had to knock her abusive husband into, like, some lawn
1:00:01
mowers. And she was like, you know what?
1:00:04
It took that moment for me to realize he was abusive and I
1:00:06
need to leave him. And it's really the best thing
1:00:10
that's ever happened to me. I like how to.
1:00:11
Just call us her out. She's like, really?
1:00:14
It took that for you to leave him?
1:00:16
You know the best thing that's happened to me since I was
1:00:17
forced to cut off my own arm? Handicap parking at the damn
1:00:22
mall. Another one of my favorite lines
1:00:26
I know. Like she grew as an actor.
1:00:28
In between, she had her time to shine.
1:00:31
Here I liked. I really appreciate.
1:00:33
Honestly, I feel like this is the breakout moment this.
1:00:35
Is as opposed to the first row, yeah.
1:00:37
Yeah. After I watched this, I was
1:00:38
like, damn, she fucking killed. That I like that she got a role
1:00:41
in Gabby's movie too. I know a better role.
1:00:44
She got. Dialogue.
1:00:45
Fair they did start off Season 2 Scream Queen, saying Tanedra did
1:00:48
such a good job they invited her back for.
1:00:50
Something they didn't make that. They're like we we couldn't not
1:00:53
have her back. But it's also kind of shitty.
1:00:55
They're like, all right, so. You're.
1:00:56
Gonna play a white supremacist. And here's Tanedra getting an
1:00:58
awesome role here. You're gonna play a white that
1:01:00
supremacist. You're gonna have no lines
1:01:01
besides help me, Evan, and then we're gonna squish your head.
1:01:03
Yeah. But.
1:01:04
You don't have to worry about a mark.
1:01:06
You get to be there with Chester Bennett.
1:01:07
I would, honestly. I might take Chester Bennington.
1:01:10
Oh, Bennington. I always call him Bennett.
1:01:13
Well, that doesn't make any sense.
1:01:14
I'm glad I wrote this note on my hand, because I already forgot
1:01:18
that we said we were gonna do that.
1:01:19
Yep. OK, and then you know what else
1:01:23
happens? Lawrence Gordon A doctor.
1:01:26
Slow claps. Slow claps and then he breaks
1:01:29
the 4th wall by saying he sure is glad to be an extra in your
1:01:34
promotional DVD. I love that.
1:01:37
Yeah, I like that. He's just straight up.
1:01:41
The funny thing here is he's calling him out.
1:01:43
He's like, yeah, you're recording this shit.
1:01:44
It's so stupid, it's terrible. And then everybody feels so
1:01:48
awkward about it and they just start slow clapping with him.
1:01:51
Do we clap? I don't fucking know.
1:01:52
What to do here isn't like Bobby's.
1:01:55
Like, I guess this went relatively well even though I
1:01:58
got called out. Yeah, people are kind of into
1:02:00
it, OK. So the group concludes, and
1:02:03
Bobby tells us security, which would he have this big of an
1:02:07
entourage for his level of celebrity?
1:02:10
I feel like he like he had an idea of what fame was going to
1:02:14
be and he was destined to make it that.
1:02:16
So he's like, I've watched Entourage.
1:02:19
Wahlberg was part of the series at one point.
1:02:21
I want to be that. Yeah, so he tells the security
1:02:25
to take his wife to the car, and then when he walks out there, he
1:02:29
gets pignapped. Pignapped.
1:02:32
Gibson's at the morgue and he gets a call about the crash trap
1:02:34
at the junkyard. And when he gets there, he
1:02:37
wonders why the display. There's a huge team around them,
1:02:40
cleaning up everything, gathering evidence and whatnot,
1:02:43
and in a mirror, it's written Gibson C for yourself.
1:02:48
And then the reverse bear trap is there.
1:02:49
Yep. So Bobby wakes up and he's in
1:02:52
this little cylindrical cage thing, and it turns out he is a
1:02:56
liar. Liar.
1:02:56
Pants on fire. You know what?
1:02:57
He should have been lit on Fire, Pants on Fire.
1:03:00
That would have been a great saw trap.
1:03:02
Yeah, like, why him on fire? Why is starting from the pants?
1:03:05
That would have been perfect. So he has 60 minutes to get
1:03:07
through the obstacles to his wife.
1:03:10
So that S and survive is start your life anew.
1:03:15
He gets his little cage, gets pulled up over some knives, and
1:03:18
the bottom drops out and he's got to swing to avoid getting
1:03:22
stabbed. And I wrote that this man has
1:03:23
played some Donkey Kong Country. Oh yeah, that's man, you guys
1:03:27
swing on them vines. And there is a flashback to him
1:03:30
and Kale at the bar. He's got a cute little messy
1:03:33
hairdo going on. I like this version of Bobby
1:03:36
better. I thought Joyce liked that
1:03:37
version of Bobby better, too. Probably.
1:03:39
Yeah, I bet he was like, working some job and he was unhappy with
1:03:42
this. I wish, like, and this is the
1:03:44
background that I imagined for him, that I wish the movie had
1:03:46
fleshed out where, like, he's working at a job he hates and
1:03:49
it's like enough for them to pay their bills and, like, go to the
1:03:53
bar and maybe out to eat once a month or something.
1:03:55
But like, he's just like a little bit upset with his life.
1:03:59
And then Kale's like, man, look at this woman who survived her
1:04:02
trap, and she feels inspired. And he's like they these people
1:04:06
would be making bank off of this shit if they weren't so fucking
1:04:09
ruined from the experience. You know that this guy is
1:04:12
corrupt because he said you can make a mint telling your story
1:04:15
like. Oh yeah, this dude's scummy.
1:04:17
People that don't do scams don't say things like make a mint.
1:04:22
No. So yeah, And they kind of come
1:04:25
up with that plan. You get that whole thing there,
1:04:28
so OK. Then he says you understand you
1:04:32
have problems. But then we cut to Gibson real
1:04:34
quick. He no gloves.
1:04:37
The reverse bear trap. He just raw dogs it and corrupts
1:04:40
all of that shit and pops it in front of Jill and then calls her
1:04:44
crazy. It's.
1:04:46
I love his. Like you said that you had the
1:04:48
fucking bear trap there, but your fucking fingerprints are on
1:04:52
it. Jill.
1:04:52
What? Are you crazy?
1:04:54
Remake of How To Lose a Guy in 10 Days, but with Chad Donnello
1:05:02
and Betsy Russell as Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson
1:05:09
Kate. Hudson, you have to give before
1:05:11
you can, we're saying. It works.
1:05:14
No Scream Queen style, because Scream Queens from the TV series
1:05:19
that dude does Matthew. McConaughey, No.
1:05:21
No, the entire time. Tanidra Howard and Gabby West
1:05:25
play her friends at the magazine.
1:05:27
Yeah, Tanidra gets to be Catherine Hahn.
1:05:31
OK I. Feel like she deserves that
1:05:34
bubby. Gun is also one of the.
1:05:35
Yeah, Bubby Gun is one of the sidekicks over at his ad agency.
1:05:41
Directed by James Gunn. Yes.
1:05:44
Yeah, it's happening. You know what?
1:05:46
Can this be Our sequel? It's not really a sequel, and we
1:05:48
don't do sequels for this for franchisings anyway.
1:05:51
But I want that to be our sequel.
1:05:52
That's our sequel. Yeah, that's our pitch.
1:05:56
Anyway, so explosions happen at the junkyard crime scene, and
1:06:00
Hoffman sends a tape to Gibson asking for Jill in exchange for
1:06:05
stopping the game that's currently happening.
1:06:07
These are some of the most low effort recording tapes in the
1:06:10
entire Saul series. Yeah, I feel like I could record
1:06:13
something on my phone and it would be better.
1:06:15
Yeah, it was just bad. But whatever.
1:06:19
He's getting this message out there.
1:06:20
Hoffman's on, like a really tight Yeah, he's got to get
1:06:23
going. He's got a game going and he's
1:06:25
trying to like save his own life and he's also trying to murder
1:06:29
Jill. So there's he's got a lot of
1:06:30
moving parts. It's got to be really stressful
1:06:32
being a jigsaw killer. I can't imagine that's got to.
1:06:35
That's too much on. Your he doesn't have very good
1:06:37
work life balance. No, he does not.
1:06:40
OK, so redefine your priorities. Nina, his publicist, is set up.
1:06:48
This is where we found out that she's been his publicist for
1:06:51
years. And then I was like years,
1:06:52
years. Yeah, this has been happening
1:06:54
for years. That doesn't make any sense, The
1:06:56
timeline. Yes, we've lost all sense of the
1:06:58
timeline, which that's it's just going to get worse as we go on,
1:07:02
which is bound to happen with a franchise.
1:07:04
Don't get me wrong, at some point we're going to talk about
1:07:06
Texas Chainsaw and it's going to be a mess.
1:07:07
Well, this one right here is just like the the whole series
1:07:09
has been very consistent like it's been 1 running timeline the
1:07:13
entire time, yes. And then you go and make that
1:07:15
statement and it just doesn't make any.
1:07:17
Function. Yeah, it.
1:07:17
Doesn't make any sense because we know canonically that this is
1:07:20
supposed to have happened right after the ending of Six.
1:07:22
And Six was not that long after the ending of Five.
1:07:26
Yeah, and like, the dude, the trust fund kid from Part 5 is
1:07:30
still in a sling in the support group.
1:07:32
Which is how we caught him. Yeah, exactly.
1:07:35
Yeah. So it can't have been more than
1:07:37
a few months. Like, there's no way that he's
1:07:39
been doing this for years. It just doesn't make sense.
1:07:43
So we I'm John Kramer and this is the Silent Fish Hook.
1:07:49
I was thinking about it like a. Jacket spent the entire time.
1:07:53
Dude, this would be Stevo's ultimate like, swap.
1:07:55
Song right here. Yeah dude.
1:07:57
Yeah, dude. I mean, his voice is fucked up
1:07:59
and not. A key to Get Me Out of this
1:08:02
deadly trap. And if we don't in time, may
1:08:05
vocal cords get pierced forever and also is not official?
1:08:09
And then Pontius is the Pontius and Knoxville are taking turns
1:08:12
pulling it. They rip it out and.
1:08:14
Like he's like, whoa, I'm talking.
1:08:16
Yeah, and what? The wow.
1:08:18
Oh, and they're like, hey, look at this little flesh on here.
1:08:21
It looks like it's a vocal node. Yeah.
1:08:24
Oh God. Like, damn dude, you had some
1:08:27
shit down there this whole time. OK, so like, the whole thing is
1:08:30
like, they have to fish out this whole thing with the the key,
1:08:33
with the fish hook. And if she makes any sounds, it
1:08:36
causes the like little needles to, like, Pierce her neck.
1:08:40
So we had a little decibel measurer in our lunchroom in
1:08:47
elementary school. And if it got because if it got
1:08:50
too loud, we got cups on our table about how loud we were
1:08:54
allowed to talk. So if it got too loud, we got a
1:08:56
red cup on our table. Seriously.
1:08:58
Yes. Stupid.
1:08:59
Yeah. And I remember very distinctly
1:09:01
because it was one day in second grade, I was still in both of my
1:09:04
casts. And another kid who had broken
1:09:06
his arm was in a cast as well. And my friend Jessica, same
1:09:11
name, That's part of how we bonded.
1:09:13
She wasn't there that day. So I'm sitting with Nick, and I
1:09:16
already had complicated feelings about Nick because he was a good
1:09:19
guy, but he never got made fun of for having a pink lunch box
1:09:21
that I got made fun of having a blue lunch box and it just
1:09:24
shows. Anyway, we were at the lunch
1:09:29
table and he punctured his milk pouch because Milka served in
1:09:33
pouches in Tennessee and he punctured it.
1:09:37
And I went Oh no. And he went Oh no.
1:09:39
And then a teacher came over and flipped over a red cup on our
1:09:42
table and we weren't allowed to talk for the rest of lunch.
1:09:45
That was like that was 2 seconds away from becoming a Kool-aid
1:09:50
commercial. Oh yeah.
1:10:01
All right, anyways. I used to puncture those on
1:10:03
purpose because then you could get a second milk pouch, but if
1:10:07
you punctured it in the tray you could still drink it through the
1:10:11
straw, so you got like extra chocolate milk you.
1:10:14
Can cut this. This isn't even relevant.
1:10:17
Or you can leave this in if you want to keep some like weird
1:10:20
stories from school in here. But I remember like one time I
1:10:23
was on a field trip on the boys choir and one of the guys, they
1:10:27
got like a fountain drink. There's a phone drink and you
1:10:30
know, big drink. And he was happy about it and he
1:10:32
was walking back to the bus to go get it.
1:10:34
And one of the boys just like kind of like walked over to him
1:10:36
and he just like took his me and went.
1:10:38
Like up. Like the fucking bottom of the
1:10:41
cup. And then all just went just
1:10:43
pouring out from the bottom. I'm sorry, I.
1:10:51
Don't know. It's such a tangent.
1:10:52
But I don't even care because this movie is so silly anyway.
1:10:57
So we're coming back from quad state band my friend.
1:11:01
We stopped at the Beaver Dam press stop which if you're if
1:11:05
you've ever been in Western Kentucky everybody knows the
1:11:07
Beaver Dam rest stop. So we're at the RV's and it's
1:11:10
like 850. They close at 9:00 and our band
1:11:14
director's like, please eat quickly, we gotta go And I'm so
1:11:17
sick of you teenagers. And we get our food.
1:11:22
My friend knocks over his extra large coke.
1:11:25
Onto the floor. And you can see the person
1:11:28
behind the register die inside and they go and get the Mama kit
1:11:34
and they start mopping it up and we're cleaning up and our vendor
1:11:37
are just like get on the bus, we gotta go and we're like, bye,
1:11:40
thanks for the food. And on the way out, my friend,
1:11:42
the same one that knocked over his tree, kicks the mop bucket.
1:11:48
No, no, no way. Oh, I feel so bad.
1:11:54
I think about that every time we go to Western Kentucky and
1:11:57
stuff. And.
1:11:58
People never like. I wonder if they still remember
1:12:01
this. I wonder if that story has like,
1:12:03
traveled down the ages. Like.
1:12:05
These asshole kids skin in here. That person is now like a
1:12:09
grizzled manager at an Arby's. Over there they've they've seen
1:12:12
some shit. They run the mafia Arby's down
1:12:14
the street from our house. All right, we're way off base.
1:12:17
We gotta get back on track. All right, all right.
1:12:19
I'm. Leaving all of the same because
1:12:21
these are all amazing stories. OK, OK, so Joyce, like or not
1:12:25
Joyce, this girl dies because, like, yeah, she takes out like a
1:12:29
whole chunk of shit off her throat.
1:12:30
And why could you just? And here's the thing.
1:12:34
I get why she's screaming. Because a lot of her tummy skin
1:12:39
was pulled out. He just, like, put his hand over
1:12:41
her. Mouth, yeah.
1:12:42
And she he had the key. He was unlocking it.
1:12:46
There was enough time for him to unlock it, but she wouldn't stop
1:12:49
screaming. And so the little decibel meter
1:12:52
was up so high and it just peered straight throughout.
1:12:54
So I. Mean.
1:12:55
That one's right. It's kind of like impossible to
1:12:57
win. Like, that's just you can't help
1:12:59
from screaming from something. Like that, and she's going to
1:13:00
have so much internal bleeding. Yeah.
1:13:03
OK, flashback to book signing. Yes.
1:13:05
And we get some impeccable de aging technology where a young
1:13:08
John Kramer guess his signature in.
1:13:12
This book. Bobby.
1:13:12
Because yeah, Bobby is like continuing on and he finds the
1:13:15
book that was autographed to John that day, OK.
1:13:20
So I have a lot of notes about this.
1:13:22
OK. Cuz the 1st is the person in
1:13:24
front of John is Sarah without an H I'm like OK, fair, that's
1:13:28
an important thing. I specify how to spell Jesse all
1:13:31
the time this way so she, you know, talks about how much the
1:13:34
book means for and then she leaves and then John comes up
1:13:36
and he goes John with or without an H doesn't matter.
1:13:39
And Bobby, instead of being like, I want to write your name,
1:13:41
Craig, he goes, all right, we'll do it with an H this time, cuz
1:13:44
he's an asshole. He's like this, just going on
1:13:46
eBay. I don't give a shit.
1:13:48
Yeah, so. And then I saw behind him, he's
1:13:51
got his little banner. You know how they do it, like
1:13:53
conventions and yeah, signings and all of that.
1:13:55
And it's like Bobby Dagan and he looks like Michael Scott in his
1:13:59
like, mock cover for somehow I manage.
1:14:01
And he's like, you were so right.
1:14:04
Oh my God, you were so right. Yeah, you know, he doesn't know
1:14:09
what the fuck to do. He's just like, what the fuck do
1:14:11
I do with my hands? And then John takes off the book
1:14:14
cover, the slip cover thing, the that goes over top of it, and he
1:14:18
tosses it. Bobby goes, we've met.
1:14:20
Don't need your picture. Yeah, he's.
1:14:21
Awesome. And then what?
1:14:22
Do I do with this? Someone was like, you know what,
1:14:24
Like something about the old days, people lying.
1:14:27
Something, something. They'd be public, whatever.
1:14:29
I don't. Know fucking now?
1:14:30
Yeah, Egyptians being publicly. Ridiculed for being publicly
1:14:35
whatever. Yeah, he's gonna kill you.
1:14:37
Whatever. That's basically what he's
1:14:38
getting to here. Which how much shit do you think
1:14:41
John actually makes up versus how much do you think he knows?
1:14:43
Because he's clearly a very smart man and I don't take that
1:14:45
away from him. But also I wonder if it's like
1:14:47
you know the Sylvester Stallone of it all.
1:14:49
They call them Skippy. It's because when they're up in
1:14:52
the. Air.
1:14:52
That's that's that's a fucking God.
1:14:58
Steven Seagal. Steven Seagal.
1:14:59
Sylvester Stallone's legit. Oh, OK.
1:15:02
Sorry, Steven Seagal. OK, well, we're like, OK, Bobby
1:15:07
goes into the next room. We still got 44 minutes of this
1:15:09
shit. I know.
1:15:12
So Billy busted him through the room in 3D and he's got to lift
1:15:17
like bars over to save somebody from like by slowing down the
1:15:22
circuits. I don't know.
1:15:23
Like, I don't fucking. Understand.
1:15:24
Yeah. He's got to do a calf raise,
1:15:28
basically. Yeah.
1:15:28
And. Like when he does that, it's
1:15:30
going on. This is the I This is the eye of
1:15:33
it or the V the verify yourself worth through commitment.
1:15:37
Yes, OK. So he's got to save his lawyer,
1:15:40
who is like being slowly rotated up towards the spike for her
1:15:43
eyes and mouth, and he's got to do a calf raise and that's all
1:15:47
he's got to do. When he does the calf raise, he
1:15:49
gets poked in the ribs a little bit a.
1:15:51
Little bit. He gets a little bit stabbed
1:15:52
right in his. Ribs.
1:15:53
Yeah, that shit looks like it hurts, but like, I feel like I
1:15:55
would be able to hold that. Yeah, like it sucks for sure.
1:15:58
I just I pointed out to Travis last night that his kill to miss
1:16:04
ratio is lower than Jeff's. Yeah, for sure.
1:16:08
Yeah. I oh, God, man.
1:16:10
Yeah, I don't like. I feel like he could have done
1:16:13
so well with us right here. Like this one right here.
1:16:15
Didn't seem too bad. Just like, use the adrenaline
1:16:18
man. Harness that shit.
1:16:19
He has no adrenaline, 'cause I he feels nothing.
1:16:22
Yeah, he's a psychopath. Well, he fells and his wire gets
1:16:27
stabbed in the eye and mouth. That's very.
1:16:29
Brutal, yeah. So we had APOV shot on the eye
1:16:31
stakes and I said that they went to the Lucio Fulchi School of
1:16:37
eye penetration, but they didn't pass the final because when the
1:16:41
we didn't see the actual eye penetration we saw like the
1:16:44
close up towards it. You see it not.
1:16:47
Fulchi would not be happy with that.
1:16:50
No, he would have done way more with that he.
1:16:52
Yeah, he was like, we didn't see any.
1:16:54
We didn't see it like. Pierce the eye like we.
1:16:56
Just saw it kind of go into the eye socket, yeah.
1:16:59
You're right. Yeah, he would have done way
1:17:01
better with that. OK, so Gibson asks Jill about
1:17:05
Bobby if she knows him, and then he gets another mpeg from
1:17:09
Hoffman saying something about being at a crossroads and
1:17:12
there's a new dawn. I didn't understand at the time,
1:17:15
but like, as soon as he watched that video, it's like a fucking
1:17:18
got it. And then he's like, all right,
1:17:19
let's go, Rogers. Yeah.
1:17:20
So apparently Hoffman has like a past with this guy, which we'll
1:17:23
find out in a minute. I ignore your inner demons.
1:17:28
I think that's what it said. I kind of missed it when it was
1:17:31
written and I was like, that sounds right.
1:17:33
So Bobby, I wrote that That's a rough name to shout, because we
1:17:38
go through this with Jaw Joyride 2, where her fiance's name is
1:17:42
Bobby. She's going.
1:17:43
Bobby Bobby. It's just not a name that you
1:17:45
can really like, scream and tear easily.
1:17:47
No, it always sounds. Kind of.
1:17:49
Stupid say. Bob.
1:17:50
Bob. Robert.
1:17:51
Bobby. Robert, Robert Yeah.
1:17:53
No, that that's that's got a little bit more gravity.
1:17:56
Too. Yeah, yeah, Robert, they've got
1:17:58
to play the worst team building game on the planet, which is one
1:18:01
of them's I. Did you say it was Kel?
1:18:04
Yeah, OK. It's.
1:18:05
Kale. Yeah, it's kale.
1:18:06
Buddy. Yeah, so they're in a room on
1:18:08
the 2nd floor, at least the 2nd floor.
1:18:10
And the floor is mostly knocked out.
1:18:14
Kale's on one side, Bobby's on the other.
1:18:15
There's. Like wooden planks.
1:18:17
And there's wooden planks. Yeah, the floor is mostly
1:18:19
gutted, Kale is in a blindfold, and Bobby's got to guide him
1:18:23
across like a very bad team building game.
1:18:26
And then I wrote have these planks been tested for
1:18:29
durability? And as soon as I wrote that,
1:18:31
Kale busts through one of them. No, OK, I want to give the guy
1:18:34
that played kale props here because he played this shit
1:18:37
well. He played like, scared, like
1:18:40
he's got like the nervous, like taps of like.
1:18:42
I believed it, yeah. If I.
1:18:44
Found. Out that Dean Armstrong actually
1:18:45
died filming this scene, I would be.
1:18:47
Good. Yeah.
1:18:49
So it made me think of like Cutthroat Kitchen, which if you
1:18:52
don't know, it's a Food Network show hosted by Alton Brown.
1:18:54
And they've got like, it's a cooking show, but they can
1:18:57
sabotage the other players with things like if you're making a
1:18:59
Philly cheese steak, you can take away the the other player's
1:19:02
cheese. And they have to get it from,
1:19:04
like, I don't like Doritos or something.
1:19:08
So one of the things about that show is that they test all of
1:19:12
the sabotages. They do.
1:19:13
They have people make sure that it can be done, that they can
1:19:16
make the food. Yeah.
1:19:17
They wanna make sure that it's plausible.
1:19:18
Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.
1:19:19
They don't want somebody to just like absolutely fail because
1:19:21
it's dud of a sabotage or because they went too wild.
1:19:23
They actually test all of them to make sure that it's doable.
1:19:26
And I was like, then I sat there and I started wondering how
1:19:29
vetted all of the saw traps are. Because I know, like, John
1:19:32
Kramer's like an engineer, but I'm like, how much is he testing
1:19:34
all this stuff? Is he doing like a Mythbusters
1:19:36
thing where they've got like the dummy and he's like testing the
1:19:38
weight and everything? So I went through like a whole
1:19:40
rabbit hole while this whole scene was going.
1:19:42
Down at. This point, it's not John Kramer
1:19:43
anymore. It's Hoffman who has been like
1:19:47
he's on record as being bad at this shit.
1:19:49
Yeah, like he he passed his engineering class but only
1:19:53
because he cheated off the nerd that he then like swear lead as
1:19:55
soon as the class was over he. Copied off that paper.
1:19:58
Yeah, So yeah, Kill dies. He just, like, falls right off
1:20:02
of there. No, he doesn't fall.
1:20:03
He gets. Yeah, he gets yanked up and then
1:20:05
he gets hanged by his new. Yeah, cuz Bobby makes the bold
1:20:09
decision to toss the key to a blind man.
1:20:12
Only couldn't cut it as blind man.
1:20:17
He talked. He had five seconds left.
1:20:19
Man. There's no way he was gonna get
1:20:20
it to him any other. Way it was a Hail Mary and I get
1:20:22
that, But like, it was also kind of a bad choice on Bobby's part
1:20:27
because he said pull your hands closer to your chest and then it
1:20:30
bounced off of Kale's chest so his hands had been where they
1:20:33
originally were. He was just doomed.
1:20:35
He was. He was not going to survive that
1:20:37
one right there. All right, so give some busts
1:20:39
into the warehouse where Hoffman recorded the last video.
1:20:42
It was known as the Crossroads, the cross where that line from
1:20:45
the video came in and he said this is when I was a rookie cop.
1:20:48
Hoffman came in and saved me because a drug dealer was
1:20:50
attacking me, but he. Shot the guy 6.
1:20:52
Times. You shot him six times.
1:20:54
And I was like, he didn't really have, like, yeah, he assaulted
1:20:56
me, but he didn't have to do that.
1:20:58
And so I reported to him to Eternal Affairs, And then he
1:21:01
bullied me until I eventually transferred to Internal Affairs
1:21:04
myself. And it was like, Roger's like,
1:21:06
OK, what happened after you told him?
1:21:07
I was like, whoa, he got promoted and I got transferred.
1:21:10
So, like, it didn't really go too well.
1:21:12
Yeah, but then he was like, oh, that guy was a man from Clear
1:21:16
Dawn psychiatrics facility. So that must be where the game's
1:21:19
going on. That's the other part of the
1:21:21
line. OK, So Bobby has to pull his
1:21:25
teeth from the back of his mouth to find the combo, to the lock,
1:21:28
to get through to where Joyce is.
1:21:31
And at this point, Joyce can see him, he can see her, and he's
1:21:34
like. I don't want you to watch.
1:21:36
This and it's like, well, I mean it's like I've.
1:21:38
Already some fucked up shit she's been watching this entire.
1:21:40
Game. She's seen all of it.
1:21:42
I saw you pull a hook out of a woman's throat.
1:21:44
Like, yeah, that was pretty fucked up.
1:21:45
I was friends with her. Yeah, like if you're Nina and I
1:21:48
regularly went to yoga together, not.
1:21:50
Only thinking about this so you pointed out I didn't notice
1:21:52
before, but like when he pulls out one of his teeth, like the
1:21:56
nerve is still attached. Yeah, like, oh God damn dude.
1:21:59
Also there was like this whole like excruciating scene of him
1:22:02
like banging his hand up against the wall to try and get the
1:22:04
tooth out and he still doesn't with the pliers and he has to
1:22:07
reach in and just yank it out himself.
1:22:09
It's so bad. And somehow the blood is only in
1:22:12
a neat line down the front of him.
1:22:13
And he's not screaming in pain. Like after he pulls out the
1:22:16
teeth he's spun, he's like, hey, yeah, all right, I did.
1:22:21
Save all that dental cut. I had to give for me to be able
1:22:25
to receive. So the swat is at the building
1:22:29
and the MPEG IP was traced to the junkyard where the game was
1:22:35
played. It's.
1:22:36
Auto body. So at the junkyard, they find a
1:22:40
hidden tunnel behind the mirror where that, like, first note to
1:22:42
Gibson was written. And so they bust through very
1:22:45
Candyman style. Meanwhile, we see Bobby embrace
1:22:50
every day as if it is your last. And the tape confuses Joyce.
1:22:55
Bless you, because she was like, wait, you've never been in a
1:22:58
game. This is your first game.
1:23:00
You're a rookie. I don't like this.
1:23:01
I don't like my odds here. It's like, I never bet on the
1:23:04
rookies. You know that we're in deep debt
1:23:06
because of my gambling. That's why you may have this
1:23:10
whole thing in the first like, shit.
1:23:12
I feel so Bever in this scene here too, because she's learning
1:23:15
that her husband is like, a fucking fraud and then she's
1:23:18
probably gonna die because he doesn't like, he's gonna like,
1:23:21
fuck this shit up, obviously. Yeah, I wrote that, he
1:23:24
confesses. And because I knew the ending of
1:23:27
it, I was like, he confesses, then fills the game because he's
1:23:29
a trifling asshole. I do love this, though.
1:23:32
That, like, Jigsaw was like, all right, motherfucker, you said
1:23:36
you did this shit. Let's put it to the test.
1:23:37
You actually do it then. Here's the thing.
1:23:40
We debated the plausibility of if this is doable or not last
1:23:43
night, because they're implying that it isn't plausible in the
1:23:45
movie to have your weight supported by the pectoral
1:23:49
muscles while also plugging it in.
1:23:50
But we've watched Dave Navarro swing over a crowd in Las Vegas
1:23:55
while telling us to live Moss. Yeah, so.
1:23:59
Taco Bell. Just saying.
1:24:02
I mean, I feel like it's possible.
1:24:04
Yeah, it's it's doable. I mean, I don't know.
1:24:07
Dave Navarro also weighs significantly less.
1:24:09
Than this guy was going to say, I feel like if they'd cast Dave
1:24:12
Navarro, he would have been like, all right.
1:24:14
And then like, actually Pearson's on.
1:24:15
They're like, no, no. No.
1:24:16
Like we have we're. Going to.
1:24:17
Effects people here, yeah. Come on, man.
1:24:21
So meanwhile, Pete's auto body, they find a hooded figure in a
1:24:26
room surrounded by computers, and they assume it's Hoffman
1:24:28
because they're stupid. They they haven't read any of
1:24:31
the other jigsaw case files, and it's actually one of the Nazis.
1:24:35
And they're like because Hoffman switched out himself for that
1:24:42
Nazi in the body bag I was. Going to say, to be fair though,
1:24:45
there has been one instance where that actually did end up
1:24:47
being Jigsaw and that was in the first one.
1:24:50
That's true. They actually did catch him
1:24:51
there by surprise. So then he broke himself out.
1:24:55
Yeah, he won it, but it's still like, you know, it's possible to
1:24:58
actually catch. Him, I guess.
1:25:00
That's a fairpoint. That's a fairpoint.
1:25:01
Anyway, we see Hoffman arting the the autopsy, the forensic
1:25:07
topologist. I love that.
1:25:08
Like he unzips it and then he's just like surprise motherfucker.
1:25:11
And just stands him. Right in the neck.
1:25:13
And this is where Hoffman goes. Full blown splasher and I love
1:25:17
every fucking minute of this. Yeah, so he's like killing the
1:25:20
person that traced the IP address, 'cause she is like
1:25:23
trying to call Gibson, but Gibson and Rogers are getting
1:25:26
shot down because there's like a little like the automatic
1:25:29
machine gun that Jigsaw loves, I guess.
1:25:31
It feels like the autopsy dude too.
1:25:32
He kills like 5 fucking people in this scene.
1:25:34
Yeah, he just goes on. I want to tear through this.
1:25:36
It's very Satan's little helper or the the hitcher.
1:25:40
Yeah, yeah. I love the move that he does
1:25:44
where he stabs the woman and then like he like knocks on the
1:25:47
door and he takes. Her corpse.
1:25:48
Yeah, he's like here's. Her face right there and they're
1:25:50
like, OK, it's cool. And then they unlock it and he
1:25:52
just busts it and starts fucking them up to.
1:25:54
Yeah, so he gets to Jill Cell and she ends up stabbing him and
1:25:58
then she runs. Rogers like in the eye there,
1:26:00
too. Yeah, like Rogers is dead now.
1:26:03
No, Rogers is the crime scene. That's a different call.
1:26:05
No Rogers. Was Gibson, Yeah.
1:26:07
Oh, OK, well then whatever. He shoots that dude.
1:26:10
So yeah, he's got. And this is where it's very
1:26:13
obvious that they are not filming this shit together.
1:26:17
This is where we started rewinding.
1:26:18
Like, OK, that's a body. Double.
1:26:19
That's a body double. Hold on before we get to that,
1:26:22
because we cut to the dramatic finish of Joyce and Bobby.
1:26:26
Is that before that? This is all happening in
1:26:29
between. OK, before because we're going
1:26:31
to wrap up with Hoffman and Jill.
1:26:33
Gotcha. Gotcha.
1:26:33
OK, so before that, Bobby can't do the thing.
1:26:36
He falls. He doesn't have enough time to
1:26:38
climb up there again. And I wrote because this is a
1:26:41
version of the bronze bowl, which is where, like, people
1:26:46
would be put in a bronze bowl and burned a lot.
1:26:49
Except it's a pig. So I called it the Iron Ham, and
1:26:53
I wrote that Joyce was doomed to eternal Ham nation.
1:26:58
Jesse, come on, I'll give you some props for those.
1:27:01
That's pretty good. Thank.
1:27:04
You. I'm conflicted on that.
1:27:06
I wrote it in all caps. Good job.
1:27:10
Thank you. I'm happy.
1:27:12
So anyway, this is where we come back to Hoffman and Jill, and
1:27:19
they're clearly does. He survive.
1:27:22
Seems like it. We never see him again and.
1:27:25
We've never. Seen him again come back in the.
1:27:26
Series there is. They didn't completely kill him
1:27:28
off. Somehow, this triathlon SO gets
1:27:31
to live on. She dies.
1:27:33
Yep. He lives.
1:27:34
That's fucked up. He's got.
1:27:35
I guess he's got to live with it.
1:27:36
That's worse. And death.
1:27:37
Is it? Cuz I feel like Joyce's death
1:27:39
was kind of worse. You're right.
1:27:43
For him. He's probably like, oh, no, OK,
1:27:45
I'm OK. Yeah.
1:27:46
Oh my tits kind of hurt. You'd want you'd want me to move
1:27:50
on. OK, so yeah, so Hoffman ends up
1:27:57
catching up to jail, and he sees the two reverse bear traps.
1:28:01
One is clearly newer than the other, so he takes the older
1:28:03
one, which is Amanda's original one.
1:28:06
Yes, he but sit on gel and we see it in action and it's just a
1:28:13
big gaping hole in her face. Get the face chunks flying at
1:28:17
you in 3D though. Yep, that's a new thing.
1:28:21
So Hoffman burns the whole like, workshop and whatnot, and he
1:28:25
goes out and I wrote that he gets porksecuted.
1:28:29
By the Three Little Pigs. By the Three Little Pigs.
1:28:32
Yeah, which are Warren Gordon, a doctor?
1:28:37
A doctor. Also, the bubbies from the
1:28:40
intro. Oh.
1:28:41
Was that the? Bubbies.
1:28:42
The bobbies, dude. The two little dudes that were
1:28:44
in like the little Love dispute. Yeah, the little Dutch boys,
1:28:48
yeah. I don't know why they're
1:28:50
involved, but yeah, they're like, OK, fuck it.
1:28:52
Like you guys join us too I guess.
1:28:54
So then this is where we found out that Orange Grinna Dr. has
1:28:56
been involved the entire time. He's done all of the medical
1:28:59
stuff. So you remember in Part 2 when
1:29:00
there's a key behind somebody's eye, that was it.
1:29:03
You remember when there's a key in Williams ribs That was him,
1:29:06
and he remember when there's a key in Nina's tummy.
1:29:11
When they had to stitch up that one dude's eyes.
1:29:14
That was him. Yeah.
1:29:15
So yeah, Like jigsaw, like nursed him to health, fitted him
1:29:20
with a prosthetic, very hook Hobie style.
1:29:22
Jack Richard fans will get it, yeah.
1:29:26
So he was told to act on John's behalf.
1:29:30
If something were to ever happen to Jill, he said, act on his
1:29:32
behalf immediately. And this was very immediate
1:29:36
like. He fucking like he was.
1:29:38
He following him? Could he not have just?
1:29:40
Stopped him from killing Jill. I like he still has like some
1:29:44
hatred to John and he's like, all right.
1:29:47
I will avenge her, but I will also let her die.
1:29:50
Yeah, like. You said if something happens to
1:29:53
her, I'm not going to like. I'm not going to prevent it from
1:29:55
happening. But if it does, I'll do it sure.
1:29:57
Should be Lawrence Gordon a lawyer, am I right?
1:30:01
And he takes him and he takes him back to the bathroom from
1:30:05
the first Saw movie and he locks him up where Adam was.
1:30:08
And then this time he takes the Saw.
1:30:10
He's like, you're not getting this one, buddy.
1:30:13
And then? Costas asks Carrie.
1:30:16
This is not the characters asking one another.
1:30:18
Costas asks Carrie what the fuck he's doing.
1:30:22
This is. My French fries, I'm jigsaw.
1:30:25
And curious like, no, I got brought back for this.
1:30:28
One, You're not jigsaw, bitch. You're not jigsaw.
1:30:32
Like, you know what? You don't like?
1:30:33
The 3D 3D toss. He tosses the saw in 3D down the
1:30:38
hallway and we get a lot of 3D with it too.
1:30:41
And then? The most 30 of the whole movie.
1:30:43
He tells Hoffman game over, and then he slams the door.
1:30:47
And then that's it. And you know what?
1:30:51
For right now, and this is goodbye for Hoffman.
1:30:53
Will we see a waiter? I don't know.
1:30:54
But I will say one thing. We don't see a body.
1:30:59
Do not see a body. If saw has taught us anything,
1:31:01
if you don't see that body. If you are not, if they are not
1:31:04
confirmed dead and you see it on your screen, that doesn't mean
1:31:09
that they're dead. It does not.
1:31:10
And it even if you do see that, that doesn't mean they can't
1:31:12
come back. Exactly, yeah.
1:31:14
People have come back from death plenty of times, so we may see
1:31:19
him again. Maybe in a backwards ball cap?
1:31:22
Maybe in a backwards ball cap. I'm I'm looking forward to that.
1:31:25
There has to be a big. Ball cap, because his Mandalore
1:31:27
has a large head. No offense to him.
1:31:28
I also have a large head. So.
1:31:30
Yeah, he can rock and do these fucking coasts, all right?
1:31:33
And that's it. That's it for S 88 and a half
1:31:36
eight and a half 8 1/2. I'm.
1:31:37
I'm bumping it. OK, I'll keep my 8:00. 8.25.
1:31:43
I I really, really like this one.
1:31:45
It's just so fucking stupid and fun.
1:31:48
Yeah, like, you don't have to think about it.
1:31:49
Just enjoy the ride. And that's all I want from this
1:31:51
movie. Yeah, Ty had to go out at 4
1:31:54
minutes and 10 seconds and at 28 minutes and 35 seconds, so that
1:31:58
automatically takes her down to an 8, right?
1:32:00
However, she spent the next 40 minutes squeaking Ralphie, and
1:32:04
that's her loudest, squeakiest toy.
1:32:06
And that's as annoying as it was.
1:32:09
It's a compliment. Yeah, she was having a great
1:32:11
time. So I think that bumps it up.
1:32:13
A whole point for how long she was squeaking and the fact that
1:32:15
it was Ralphie. So Tally's giving it a nine.
1:32:17
She was feeling it. She.
1:32:18
Had a great time. And guess what?
1:32:20
So we watched it. Sometimes she was on my lap, but
1:32:22
most importantly, sometimes she was on Lawrence Gordon Shark
1:32:26
bed. Yeah, we actually.
1:32:28
Have a little like. Squish Mellow bed.
1:32:31
Yeah, so Squish Mellow makes pet beds and we bought a cat bed one
1:32:35
for them for the cats for Christmas.
1:32:38
And it's shaped like a shark because Telly has a toy shark
1:32:41
and we thought it would be cute. And when we got it in the mail
1:32:44
it was labeled as Gordon the Shark.
1:32:46
Yeah, so we've been referring to it as Lawrence Gordon, the Shark
1:32:49
Bed, so and. There's also an explosion.
1:32:53
And there were, yeah, there was an explosion.
1:32:54
She's, she had a really good time.
1:32:55
And then we watched Final Destination and as we know,
1:32:57
there's a very infamous explosion in that.
1:33:00
She was. She had a very good night last
1:33:01
night and we're about to watch Fast and Furious after we record
1:33:04
this. So explosions, just a good time.
1:33:08
It's a good time for Zoe this weekend.
1:33:10
Yeah. All right.
1:33:11
So good, Good stuff from the pets.
1:33:14
All right. So who did you relate to?
1:33:18
That's a very good question. I think I relate to Tanidra at
1:33:25
group therapy because I remember going to group therapy in
1:33:29
college right after my apartment had been broken into.
1:33:31
And I was like, this has honestly been one of my worst
1:33:34
fears. It's a home invasion.
1:33:35
And they're like, now you know, you can survive one of your
1:33:37
worst fears. I was like, no, now I know one
1:33:39
of my worst fears can actually happen to me.
1:33:41
Like, now I know I wasn't present for when that shit
1:33:44
happened, and I might die if I'm actually there.
1:33:47
And they were like, that's not the turn we excited.
1:33:49
Granted it wasn't like the therapist that said it, it was
1:33:51
one of the other group members. So yeah, I definitely I related
1:33:54
to SNEEDRA. OK, God, man, who the fuck did I
1:33:57
relate to in this movie? There's some wild characters
1:34:00
this time around. God, I'm going to make it good.
1:34:11
I think something, it wasn't confirmed, but something tells
1:34:17
me that Adam was still there in that bathroom.
1:34:20
And I'm going to relate to Adam because if I could be locked and
1:34:25
chained to death in our bathroom with any one person other than
1:34:29
you, it would be Costas. I would, you know, we'd we'd
1:34:35
make some fun out of it. It'd be like scary stories, cuz
1:34:38
it's dark. Yeah.
1:34:40
And yeah, we'd have some good time.
1:34:42
OK. We'd just die together, OK?
1:34:44
Yeah. There's like no other good
1:34:47
person. They're.
1:34:47
Really too in this movie? And I did not have any therapy.
1:34:51
OK. That's fair.
1:34:52
That's fair. And I ain't a grifter.
1:34:55
Not that boy. I hope not.
1:34:56
I don't want to be sent to eternal Ham nation because of
1:34:59
you. Yeah, I don't want to do that to
1:35:01
you either. OK, new tagline since we don't
1:35:07
do dream sequel, but we kind of pitched.
1:35:08
No, no, no. Instead of dream sequel for this
1:35:12
we've been doing Which trap would you survive?
1:35:13
Which trap? OK.
1:35:14
So we've got the Saw one from the opening there.
1:35:21
But that one doesn't. Count.
1:35:22
OK. Yeah, that one.
1:35:24
'S I thought you meant like the flashback at the very opening,
1:35:27
The love. Triangle, Yeah.
1:35:29
Yeah. OK.
1:35:30
So we've got that one. That one's easy.
1:35:31
Like, I can survive that one. Like I already said, just like,
1:35:35
move it in between Dina and one of the dudes and somebody's
1:35:39
gonna get a little cut up. But everybody can survive that.
1:35:42
Let's go through. Let's entertain the rest of it.
1:35:44
OK, so then we've got the the swinging over the knives.
1:35:48
Yeah, we've got the neck piercing Silent Fish hook.
1:35:52
I couldn't do that one. We've got the the Calf raise of
1:35:56
doom. I could do that.
1:35:58
One, and then we've got the iron ham.
1:36:01
Which now and you also got. To throw out Iron Ham, because
1:36:03
that doesn't count. Kales.
1:36:05
Kales. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:36:07
Worst team building. Yeah, that one I'm not making.
1:36:10
No, that one's that one feels I. Don't feel like I could walk
1:36:13
across those boards without a blindfold.
1:36:15
So never mind with a blindfold, yeah.
1:36:16
In 60. Seconds.
1:36:17
No, that's just not happening. So yeah, I think, I think I
1:36:21
could do the calf raises because I've been doing calf raises
1:36:23
since I was three years old because my dance teacher OK, so
1:36:26
I could handle the calf raises. All right, so we got the love
1:36:30
triangle and the calf raises. Yeah, OK.
1:36:32
OK. So I'm very curious to see what
1:36:34
everybody says when we put out the pole.
1:36:36
This weekend, too. Yeah.
1:36:37
And we'll have those results next week.
1:36:40
All right, So time for a new tagline.
1:36:43
OK. I hear Ty, you out there
1:36:44
squeaking now. That must be prickly peep.
1:36:47
Yeah, it's a silent squeak. OK, so a new tagline.
1:36:52
What are the taglines we have? They were all kind of heart
1:36:55
pounding. 3D traps come alive, time is coming for all two.
1:37:00
I don't want to do like an ending tagline because we know
1:37:03
now that it's not like the end of the franchise.
1:37:05
Yeah, I don't want that. Either.
1:37:09
OK. Can we just say that's a wrap on
1:37:15
Kostas? Is it though?
1:37:19
Maybe. But for now it is.
1:37:22
It definitely is. How about not my jigsaw?
1:37:31
#Not. My jigsaw Precious would have
1:37:35
worn this that way with Gordon. Yeah.
1:37:37
Yeah. OK, All right, So Internet
1:37:44
review. Jesse, when did you pull for us?
1:37:46
Well, I know how we both feel about this movie.
1:37:48
I know how we felt about this movie for years, even before we
1:37:51
started doing this podcast. This is not a new revelation
1:37:53
that we like trash movies you guys.
1:37:56
So I went ahead and I pulled A1 star off of IMDb All.
1:38:00
Right. I'm not gonna read the whole
1:38:03
thing. You know how when you go, I'm
1:38:06
gonna say you know, I don't know if the audience knows, but
1:38:09
because we do this when you go to the reviews, sometimes we
1:38:12
have to sort by the reviewer ratings so we can find like
1:38:16
negative or positive depending on how the other person feels.
1:38:20
This I didn't have to sort cuz there was a lot of negative
1:38:23
write up at the top. Yeah, and they were, they were
1:38:26
all really long ones. This one is the shortest one I
1:38:28
found. I'm not gonna read the whole
1:38:29
thing still though, because it was pretty long.
1:38:31
There are so many things this movie does wrong that it's
1:38:33
easier to just list to describe some of them.
1:38:35
The acting is atrocious. I'm not just talking in
1:38:37
comparison with other films. The acting in this one is some
1:38:41
of the worst acting I've ever seen because it was made in 3D,
1:38:44
the graphics are cheesy and the gore effects are all pinkish and
1:38:47
over the top. The last bastion of reason to
1:38:50
watch a Saw film. Those brutal traps are
1:38:52
effectively ruined by 3D. Whereas I thought this movie was
1:38:56
going to really wrap up the series in a meaningful way and
1:38:58
said it was just its own plot line for 80 minutes and lazily
1:39:01
wraps up the big picture stuff in the final ten.
1:39:04
Even the big surprise on the final minutes actually turned me
1:39:06
off instead of provoking the desired wow effect well.
1:39:11
I mean, they're not wrong about like, the bad pink blood.
1:39:14
Oh yeah, That was like one of my one of my bads at the beginning.
1:39:17
So I. Mean the 3D effects were
1:39:20
terrible in this. One, they were pointless.
1:39:22
It was like a waste of money. They could have put that money
1:39:24
towards, I don't know, saw eight.
1:39:27
Yeah, they could have used that extra few million.
1:39:29
They just fucking split the. Yeah, they've made SAW movies
1:39:32
for cheaper. I mean, in like all of the Saw
1:39:36
movies are cheap. You know you're gonna make your
1:39:38
money back and then some. Yes, everybody's coming out to
1:39:42
see them. And The thing is we talked about
1:39:44
this last month with saw Six is that it's one of those that's
1:39:46
generally reviewed well, but it for some reason it just didn't
1:39:49
do well in the box office. Yeah.
1:39:51
And which is? It's hard to figure out why now,
1:39:54
in 2024 when people are like, yeah, no, actually this is one
1:39:57
of the best ones. Look, I I some people hate where
1:40:02
franchises go forever and ever. I love it if it's a franchise
1:40:05
that I love. I.
1:40:06
Hate Go Watch Saw 82 in the theaters I.
1:40:09
Know and I hate how these studios like Overreact.
1:40:14
Whenever one movie does a little bit worse than the previous
1:40:18
movie and they're like OK finale, next movie's gotta be
1:40:21
the end of it. That's what's happening with
1:40:22
Fast and Furious also. Well, OK.
1:40:24
And it's so funny because I was just about to compare this to
1:40:27
Fast and Furious because as you guys know, we're working our way
1:40:30
through the franchise. We're about to watch Fast X
1:40:32
tonight. We bought a six pack of Corona.
1:40:34
We're grilling. We're making a whole night of
1:40:36
it, yes, but I feel like this franchise is very similar to it.
1:40:41
Like put Roman and Tedge in space.
1:40:43
Let's put Jigsaw in a rocket shit.
1:40:46
You know what I mean like. As over the top as you want with
1:40:49
this. I'm here for it no matter what
1:40:52
I. Want like crossovers with other
1:40:53
horror franchises? Oh my God.
1:40:55
And make it like one of the stupidest ones possible.
1:40:59
Like Saw meets Ginger Dead Man. I want saw with Hellraiser to
1:41:05
Hellraiser like or Jigsaw and Pinhead would be able to like
1:41:08
trade notes like oh OK, you're torturing people this way, OK?
1:41:11
Like, yeah, I just like, let this movie be, Let this
1:41:14
franchise be as stupid as it wants to be.
1:41:16
I'm here for it no matter what. Like, we've got the serious
1:41:20
thought provoking ones at this point now I just want to see
1:41:22
like what storyline they come up with.
1:41:24
I'm curious to see like, what's happening, you know?
1:41:27
Would Clive Barker be like, yeah, Jigsaw like Saw and
1:41:30
Hellraiser is definitely not from my mind, it's from my butt
1:41:34
hole. Probably, Yeah, he would be.
1:41:36
Furious. With that I think and I want
1:41:39
Doug Bradley, but I don't want him playing Pinhead, I want him
1:41:43
playing his character from long term 5.
1:41:46
So it's a 3 way crossover. Yeah, I love that.
1:41:50
Yeah. Yeah.
1:41:51
Yeah. OK.
1:41:52
All right. Do we have listener reviews?
1:41:55
We do, OK. All right.
1:41:56
So we got a couple here. First off, we'll go with our
1:42:02
Instagram review, which is Cubesaves.
1:42:04
OK, Cubesaves needs more yo yos to the camera.
1:42:10
Absolutely. Yeah, I agree man.
1:42:12
Like this movie needed more 3D effects.
1:42:14
If you're gonna do a 3D movie for this, it's just it feels
1:42:19
like a pointless little thing that was tacked on last minute.
1:42:22
Yeah, it's just. It's unnecessary.
1:42:24
We need to meet somewhere in the middle between.
1:42:26
We're casting people only for what they can bring to the 3D
1:42:29
versus like we're casting people and we're gonna maybe put some
1:42:32
3D effects somewhere. Yeah, yeah, we need somewhere in
1:42:34
the middle. Yeah, you gotta have something.
1:42:36
Like how My Bloody Valentine was.
1:42:38
Yeah, exactly. It was.
1:42:40
That's the fucking golden standard, right?
1:42:41
There also, I want everybody to know in our personal lives,
1:42:43
we've started referring to the Supernatural Brothers as AJ Pads
1:42:48
and Consolation Prize. Consolation.
1:42:50
Prize, yeah. He's.
1:42:52
I mean, he's. Just be real J Pads.
1:42:55
Let's just be real people, OK? Speaking of relationships, we
1:43:01
have Tyler with his review over on Twitter, says the Twilight
1:43:05
relationship dynamic opening was a lot.
1:43:08
This isn't the worst, but it isn't one of my favorites.
1:43:11
I think the fates of Jill and Joyce seem unfair and upset me.
1:43:14
It wasn't Joyce's fault, her husband was a liar, and her trap
1:43:17
is one of the more painful. Love the end though.
1:43:21
I agree with all of this, except I love the little Dutch boys.
1:43:25
Twilight opening. I know, I I love we're breaking
1:43:28
up. I guess we're breaking up with
1:43:29
the Edina like it's. Just I feel like Ryan is Jacob
1:43:32
because Jacob would be the one to be like, do you really want
1:43:35
to die over some chick that fucked me in your bed two days
1:43:37
ago? Yeah, he's like.
1:43:39
And Edward would be like, yeah, I do actually.
1:43:42
I already took a cut, like I would.
1:43:44
I would die for her. I think so too.
1:43:46
I think that's. And Jacob would be like, fuck,
1:43:48
wrong answer, OK? And then, like, as soon as her
1:43:52
womb gets cut, he goes, hmm, suddenly I don't love her.
1:43:54
It's weird. It's weird how that happens.
1:43:58
And yeah, I mean, I agree, Like Joyce, she has the worst.
1:44:02
No, I agree. Joyce has a very.
1:44:04
That was one of my things about this.
1:44:06
I mean, I'm not gonna, like, knock the movie for it, but
1:44:08
like, you know, like, yeah, it's fucked up.
1:44:11
And Jill? Jill's at least like she's an
1:44:14
accessory at this point. You know what I mean?
1:44:17
She she's actively involved in some of them.
1:44:19
Yeah, so I feel less bad for her.
1:44:21
Yeah. But still, I get it.
1:44:26
I feel bad for Costas being locked up.
1:44:28
You know, I don't want Costas to be locked up.
1:44:31
I love Costas as a villain. I do too.
1:44:35
He plays us so well. OK, here's the thing.
1:44:38
You know how you love villains in movies.
1:44:40
This is how I feel about reality TV villains.
1:44:43
Can I make that connection for you?
1:44:45
If you listen to our Patreon bonus episode, then you would
1:44:47
know. Yeah, that makes sense.
1:44:49
It's a lot of sense. OK.
1:44:52
All right. OK.
1:44:53
So that's it. That's it.
1:44:55
That's. It for Saw 3D folks.
1:44:57
And fortunately, that's not it for.
1:44:58
Saw. We still have three more movies
1:45:01
to cover, plus one later, but that'll come after we wrap up
1:45:03
this franchise. Wrap up the franchise for now,
1:45:05
yeah. So.
1:45:08
Yay. All right, so we have.
1:45:13
March coming up. Jesse does have her movie picked
1:45:16
out. Yeah, actually I do.
1:45:17
And it's a shutter original, so that's the place you watch it.
1:45:19
And it's Jacob's wife. Yeah.
1:45:21
So I'm very excited about this. I love this movie.
1:45:24
I've been really excited to rewatch it.
1:45:25
We got Barbara Crampton, we got Bonnie Aaron's, we've got Kitten
1:45:29
and the closing credits. You got the fucking guy.
1:45:33
The guy that we can never remember his name.
1:45:35
It starts with a name. The guy.
1:45:37
Larry, Larry something. Larry something.
1:45:40
Hold on. He is from your next Yeah, the
1:45:42
beginning of your next. Have we covered your next?
1:45:44
Year. A lot of the fucking movies.
1:45:45
No, we haven't. You're next.
1:45:48
Let's go ahead and do that. Yeah.
1:45:50
He's in fucking everything, and we always call him that guy.
1:45:54
I don't. Know why we can never remember
1:45:55
his name we talked about. Plenty.
1:45:57
Either we do. We talk about him such Larry
1:45:59
Fessenden. Larry Fessenden No, it's because
1:46:01
it's a. It's a different last name than
1:46:04
you're used to. Yeah, 'cause we always wanted to
1:46:06
be like Fassender. Yeah, I think that's what we
1:46:08
always try and call him. It's Fassenden.
1:46:10
Larry Fassenden plays Jacob. Babs plays Jacob's wife, Bonnie.
1:46:13
Aaron plays a vampire is amazing, I think.
1:46:16
Carter's also in that movie, too.
1:46:17
Carter, you Dick. Carter, you Dick.
1:46:19
I think he's like her wife or her wife, her husband and that
1:46:23
too. No, Larry's her husband.
1:46:28
I think Carter's the guy that, like, comes to town that she's
1:46:30
friends with. That starts the whole vampire.
1:46:32
I think you're right. You're right.
1:46:33
Yeah. Yeah, you're.
1:46:33
Right, OK. Anyway, I'm very excited about
1:46:36
this movie. I've dressed as her character
1:46:38
for Halloween before. It's a very like, It's a very
1:46:41
good time. If you have Shudder, watch it.
1:46:43
If you don't have Shudder, maybe try it free for seven days.
1:46:48
They do the trials and stuff and you can watch it there.
1:46:51
Yeah, it's a really good time. So, yeah, All right.
1:46:54
So that's what we're doing next week, so be on the lookout for
1:46:57
that. And to know the rest of our
1:46:58
March schedule, just make sure that you're following us on
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1:47:21
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1:47:23
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1:47:26
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1:47:29
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1:47:31
I also want to give a special extra shout out to our patron,
1:47:34
Joe, who's also just our friend Joe.
1:47:36
Yeah, because he's up here for our Kentucky mutant fam meet up
1:47:40
this past weekend. And he was like, hey, I'm still
1:47:43
listening to your Saucer House episode, but have you guys
1:47:45
discussed that it's set in Lexington?
1:47:46
And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
1:47:49
Joe? And he was like, yeah, when
1:47:51
Alpha drives to the hospital, the GPS says Sani is Lexington.
1:47:57
I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
1:47:58
And he pulls out his phone and shows me a screenshot of it.
1:48:01
And I was like, whoa, that's so cool.
1:48:03
Yeah, that's amazing. I'm very upset.
1:48:06
We never noticed it. But I'm also very grateful for
1:48:08
that knowledge now. And I'm ready to rewatch the
1:48:10
movie yet again and pay attention to that.
1:48:13
Also going to call some bullshit on because the sorority houses
1:48:17
in town, they just rent houses like it's not.
1:48:20
UK doesn't have that kind of a sorority life.
1:48:23
Movie magic. But they also don't have swaths
1:48:25
running around here to killing people.
1:48:27
That's what you think? I guess so.
1:48:30
All right. So that's our things.
1:48:31
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Yeah, we really appreciate you all doing that.
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Stuff. Thank you so much.
1:48:50
All right. All right, let's let's call it
1:48:53
for saw three. D All right, that's it.
1:48:55
We'll see you all next week. Next time.
1:48:57
Bye, bye.