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Podcast: David Benavidez vs David Morrell Preview | Who Does Inoue Fight Next? · Big Dog Lukie Boxing Podcast

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warp speed lukey boxing the biggest podcast of the 2025 so far
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we're jumping into
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it i'm with my co-host dakota we are on a time crunch we are
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like a syndicated
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boxing show this week so we got a lot to talk about and not a
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lot of time to do it
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in which is our best way of doing it diego pacheco stephen
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nelson dakota what are
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SPEAKER_01: your initial thoughts from this main event fight
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SPEAKER_00: Well, first of all, a fun fight, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It took a little while,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: four rounds or so,
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SPEAKER_00: three and a half rounds for them to both kind of find their rhythm.
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SPEAKER_00: But what a hell of a fight.
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SPEAKER_00: A really,
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SPEAKER_00: I would say,
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solid and composed and measured performance from Pacheco up
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till about the 11th
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SPEAKER_00: round where Steve Nelson seemed to catch a second wind and make good.
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SPEAKER_00: The back end of the fight very uncomfortable for Diego,
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which was both impressive on Steve's part and a little bit
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worrying on Pacheco's part.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think it also just speaks to the quality of the matchup, right?
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Like Steve Nelson was not just going to go away into the night
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on this one.
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SPEAKER_00: And he made a really impressive final stand.
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SPEAKER_00: I think what impresses me so much about Diego,
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SPEAKER_00: man,
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SPEAKER_00: is his ability to be measured and controlled.
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SPEAKER_00: Because sometimes it's the biggest challenge with young fighters.
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And they were saying in the telecast,
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you know,
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I wish Diego would get more active.
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SPEAKER_00: And in that first three rounds,
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I just saw a guy really getting a good long look at what he had
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in front of him.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think in the bigger fights that he's going to be in,
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that ability to control his emotion and control his pace and
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maintain a game plan,
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SPEAKER_00: that's going to be crucial moving forward in his career.
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So I think there's a lot of great things that we saw from Diego
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in this fight.
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SPEAKER_00: And I definitely want to see more Steve Nelson.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of a win-win for both guys in my view.
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SPEAKER_00: Diego passes the test with flying colors,
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SPEAKER_00: and I think Steve Nelson shows what kind of fighter he is.
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SPEAKER_01: My observation is a few things.
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SPEAKER_01: I like Diego.
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I think he's going to get some backlash because he's not your
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traditional Mexican fighter.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a level of cerebral fighting from the outside.
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SPEAKER_01: He looks for power shots,
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SPEAKER_01: but he's more of a guy that's going to outthink you,
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SPEAKER_01: outwork you,
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and look for his openings as opposed to a guy who's going to
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create his openings
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SPEAKER_01: with brute force power.
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That I think maybe not to sound like there's certain type of
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fans that want certain things,
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SPEAKER_01: but he's coming from East LA.
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SPEAKER_01: I think fans might expect a more aggressive action style.
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And I think his natural temperament is someone that's going to
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look at what you got
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SPEAKER_01: and solve the problems on his own terms.
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SPEAKER_01: Big story of the fight that I didn't think got touched on a lot was...
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SPEAKER_01: Cut man is really important.
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SPEAKER_01: And Steven Nelson, when he got cut, that cut never really got fixed.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure if it's the cut man's fault,
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SPEAKER_01: but it's hard for me to ignore that it wasn't one of those top guys.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't Basil.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't Stitch.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't Aaron Navarro.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't Mike Rodriguez.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't Russ Amber.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a guy that we haven't consistently seen on television.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, was that a cut that you couldn't stop?
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Or would a different cut man have given him a little bit more
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to prolong that?
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SPEAKER_01: I felt like that was also a subplot.
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It felt like Pacheco's adjustment came when he landed the right
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hand and cut Nelson open,
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SPEAKER_01: which looked like some scar tissue.
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SPEAKER_01: And I felt like that's one of those things in these big fights.
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SPEAKER_01: People often overlook who's going to be fixing the cuts.
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SPEAKER_00: Right,
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and even Steve said in the post-fight that the fact that he had
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blood in his eye
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SPEAKER_00: was just not a part of the training or a part of the game plan,
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SPEAKER_00: and it was really a distraction for him.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't want to,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's to some extent taking away from Diego,
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SPEAKER_00: right,
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SPEAKER_00: because it wasn't a headbutt.
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SPEAKER_00: It was a punch that caused it, so it wasn't some kind of dirty tactic.
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um it was a really solid right hand yet that's the other thing
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too bro i think this
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kid hits really hard and i think as much as steve wanted to get
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inside there was
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genuine consequences for trying to come inside and the the the
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more i watch diego
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SPEAKER_00: he's getting a sense of his range
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SPEAKER_00: He's getting a sense of where his best spots are.
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SPEAKER_00: So that check hook on the way inside,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: shooting the right hand as soon as Steve would try to jab to the body.
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There's just little things he's doing as you're coming in where
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he's really
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SPEAKER_00: starting to utilize his size.
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SPEAKER_00: But again,
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SPEAKER_00: those last two rounds,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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can somebody like Christian and Billy or somebody a little more
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physical that has a
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SPEAKER_00: little bit more of a tempo to get in his chest,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: can that style of fighter make him uncomfortable?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: to me,
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SPEAKER_01: there's an interesting paradox here because it's like,
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SPEAKER_01: Diego Pacheco's got a little bit of that Andy Cruz in him.
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SPEAKER_01: People,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: he's taken a lot of hard fights,
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SPEAKER_01: he's passing the tests,
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SPEAKER_01: and people are still being critical.
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Whereas,
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like,
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I don't know,
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there's a lot of guys that aren't taking those.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: you could argue M.
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SPEAKER_01: Billy hasn't taken a test as tough as Steven Nelson yet,
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SPEAKER_01: given his stature.
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SPEAKER_01: And...
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people are probably in theory higher on him because they're
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seeing him in more like,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: What would you say?
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SPEAKER_01: Like beneficial matchups, matchups that may allow him to play.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that with Pacheco,
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one of the tough things is he's a true competitor and he's
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taken hard fights early
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SPEAKER_01: in his career as he's developing.
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SPEAKER_01: Sean McCollum was a hard fight.
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SPEAKER_01: Steven Nelson's a hard fight.
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SPEAKER_01: And he's kind of figuring out.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a tough fight.
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Like,
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you know,
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Selesky had fought top guys and given him a hard fight every
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time prior to that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he's taking real fights.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that...
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure where the power with him ranks,
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SPEAKER_01: but I think he's an accurate puncher.
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SPEAKER_01: And there's a certain level of,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: if you're accurate and you land 300 punches,
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SPEAKER_01: does it matter if you really have one-punch power?
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Because you're going to be hitting a guy in the...
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Like,
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it's the dead-arm rule.
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SPEAKER_01: If you punch a guy in fifth-period math class 20 times,
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SPEAKER_01: his arm's probably going to feel numb and hurt.
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SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter how hard you're hitting it.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think that, like...
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as fights he's a he's obviously i think there is a comparison
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between him and andy
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cruz although they're different he's a rhythm fighter to me and
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when pacheco
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catches a rhythm he really knows and he has an eclectic variety
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of punches he'll
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throw the right uppercut he'll throw a straight right he'll
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throw a left hook it's
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he's one of those guys where you don't want to get caught
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guessing the wrong punch
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because he'll load up on enough shots where you could get
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highlight reeled and i
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SPEAKER_01: think that
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there is a nature in his fights when he catches rhythm,
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that guys are going to wait.
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SPEAKER_01: So he's going to win rounds,
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SPEAKER_01: but they're not going to be like tremendously exciting fights because he,
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I don't know if he's built at what do I do to create action in
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those rounds.
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SPEAKER_01: He's kind of a counter puncher who's got length,
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SPEAKER_01: who has a great variety of punches when you enter in.
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SPEAKER_01: But maybe that's the level up is how does he initiate?
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But he's also I think he's also starting to get a sense of like
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when you're just
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SPEAKER_00: starting to tire.
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like lomachenko has that usik has that bam rodriguez has like
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other great fighters
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have that and it looks like he's starting to cultivate that
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instinct of like he
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landed the shot he cut steve clearly it made him uncomfortable
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and he then he just
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ups his activity level a little bit and then a little bit more
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and then a little
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bit more and then by the eighth or ninth round you're like we
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might be getting into
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SPEAKER_00: stop this fight territory um so i listen bro
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this kid's going to be a problem and he's going to be a light
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heavyweight one day.
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SPEAKER_00: He might be a fucking cruiserweight one day,
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SPEAKER_00: but I think we're,
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SPEAKER_00: we're watching the start of something special here.
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Here's the other thing I want to say before we wrap this up is
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Steve was not going
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SPEAKER_01: to go out without a fight.
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SPEAKER_01: So I don't think that Diego got exposed.
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This is a proud guy from a great camp who was getting yelled at
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by Bo Mac.
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SPEAKER_01: He was going to go out really good.
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SPEAKER_00: He's not just like a heart and balls guy.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a good fighter, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: To me, the big X factor here was age.
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SPEAKER_01: Diego,
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SPEAKER_01: when the cut happened,
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fought like a younger man who had a little bit more youth on
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his side and could let
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SPEAKER_01: his hands go a little bit more.
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And Steve,
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being an older guy,
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had to be more judicious with his punch output.
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SPEAKER_01: And with the cut, now things weren't going his way, right?
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SPEAKER_01: But that doesn't...
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SPEAKER_01: I'm seeing some reactions where people are like,
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SPEAKER_01: okay,
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SPEAKER_01: Diego got exposed in those last rounds.
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SPEAKER_01: I think you just take a hard fight and you have a guy...
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SPEAKER_01: they kind of took turns in this fight.
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SPEAKER_01: I thought Steve won the early rounds.
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SPEAKER_01: Diego took over the mid rounds.
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SPEAKER_01: And then when Steve felt Diego might be fading,
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SPEAKER_01: he really ramped up and kind of took over the final rounds.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it was just a fight.
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SPEAKER_00: I also don't think he won the 12th.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, the 12th was a swing.
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Like I thought that he won at least three,
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probably the first four rounds on my card.
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SPEAKER_01: Probably.
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SPEAKER_01: Um,
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SPEAKER_01: And then he won the 11th.
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SPEAKER_01: I thought it was like a four or five round Steve Nelson fight,
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SPEAKER_01: but Diego clearly won seven or eight rounds.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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I think that I thought the scorecards were fair because I
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actually I think I had a
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SPEAKER_00: two two through the first four and then I gave Steve the 11th.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think anywhere from nine three to seven five on that is is fair.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, that's an accurate depiction of reality.
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SPEAKER_01: Roger Morales in the chat said, what's the conversation about?
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SPEAKER_01: We were talking about Diego Pacheco versus Steven Nelson.
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SPEAKER_00: Are we doing Inouye this week?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm just realizing.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're going to touch on Inouye in a second.
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SPEAKER_01: I actually forgot Inouye Fox.
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SPEAKER_01: You didn't even put it in the title, Bob.
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SPEAKER_01: You know he brings the heat.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we got to reshape the title.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's just before... You muted yourself, Chief.
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guy abraham gonzalez in the in the chat says what's up fellas
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what's up abe um i
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guess berlanga called out pacheco after the fight that's a good
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fight hope it
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happens yeah that's a great fight i think the one i really want
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to see though is in
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billy i want to see diego not just because of the last two
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rounds but we just
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haven't seen him in with a guy that relentless i think it's a
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fight he wins but i
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SPEAKER_00: think that
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SPEAKER_00: That's sort of a winner deserves a big fight kind of fight.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that seeing him struggle a little in those last two rounds,
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I think it would just be interesting to watch him have to fight
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somebody with that relentless,
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SPEAKER_00: bordering on reckless type of aggression.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So Andy Cruz, Omar Salcedo, Andy Cruz.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like this is a guy who is fighting like a 20 fight veteran yet.
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SPEAKER_01: People are acting like he sucks.
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SPEAKER_01: There's like a,
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SPEAKER_01: a lot of people are like,
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SPEAKER_01: Oh my God,
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SPEAKER_01: there are a lot of dissenting opinions on boxing,
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SPEAKER_01: Twitter and podcasters who are like,
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SPEAKER_01: man,
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SPEAKER_01: he's getting hurt in fights.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's like,
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SPEAKER_01: To me,
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SPEAKER_01: he's one of the most polished lightweights in five fights,
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SPEAKER_01: like what he's doing so quickly.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, Salcedo came to win.
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SPEAKER_01: And if this went two more rounds,
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SPEAKER_01: which I also want to give Omar the benefit of the doubt,
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SPEAKER_01: I think he sold out in that last round trying to win the fight.
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So when he was getting pushed back,
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he had gassed himself out trying to give it his all.
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SPEAKER_01: So I don't think he would get stopped if it was an 11 or 12 round fight.
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SPEAKER_01: But what he did in this fight, Cruz,
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SPEAKER_01: This is a sensational fighter.
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SPEAKER_01: This is a generational-type talent.
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The only downside to Cruz is he has a little bit of that Tony
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Harrison in him.
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SPEAKER_01: He loses focus in fights,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'm worried that at the highest level,
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he might be the guy that loses to the guy because he has a
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little bit of that loss
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SPEAKER_01: of concentration that might cost him against those top,
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SPEAKER_01: top guys.
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SPEAKER_00: See, the way I kind of interpreted it, that is interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: the Tony Harrison comparison.
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SPEAKER_00: I think the,
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the compare what the way I interpreted this fight was when you
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watch Andy Cruz,
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SPEAKER_00: man,
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SPEAKER_00: you see it all,
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SPEAKER_00: you see the timing,
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SPEAKER_00: you see the speed,
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You see the jab,
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like Abe is saying,
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the little half a step back is beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: You see all the things.
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SPEAKER_00: But I feel like in moments now,
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SPEAKER_00: as he's trained more with Bozy,
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SPEAKER_00: as he's trying to develop more of this boxer puncher style,
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SPEAKER_00: I think he takes a fight that could be an easy fight for him,
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SPEAKER_00: and he makes it a little tougher.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, that's not to say anything bad about Salcido.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a good fighter.
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SPEAKER_00: He earned the fight.
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SPEAKER_00: And the fact that,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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Cruz is fighting somebody like that at this point in his career
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says everything
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SPEAKER_00: about him.
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But he's a guy with the skill set,
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you know,
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to make fights like that a 10-0 sweep.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that he's taking shots he doesn't need to take necessarily.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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in the name of trying to be more entertaining and trying to
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seek action and knockouts.
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And I think that in some ways he could find himself in more
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trouble than he needs
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to be if he were to just use his skills and kind of take those
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moments where guys
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SPEAKER_00: overextend themselves and make them really pay.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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that middle part of the fight where he's just standing in the
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pocket trading,
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SPEAKER_00: it's entertaining.
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SPEAKER_00: And I love that he wants to get after it like that.
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but I don't know if that's going to serve him as he continues
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to move up.
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I think that when he catches rhythm,
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he's one of the hardest fighters to fight.
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SPEAKER_01: Like if he finds his rhythm in a fight, he's going to beat you up.
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SPEAKER_01: He's a nightmare.
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SPEAKER_01: I honestly would say he's a top five rhythm guy right now.
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SPEAKER_01: If he catches rhythm, you're in trouble.
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SPEAKER_01: I see what you're saying.
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SPEAKER_01: I think this modern era,
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Cuba are tired of American and world fight fans saying Cubans
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are boring and run.
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And it seems like Andy's come into the pros with a chip on his
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shoulder to not be
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SPEAKER_01: For people to not say, oh, look at this boring back foot guy.
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Like,
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that's my interpretation of what he's doing is he heard what
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all the other Cubans.
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SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like Morrell, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Morrell, I think, can box on the back foot.
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SPEAKER_01: But there's an attitude of I'm going to knock people out.
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SPEAKER_01: I think this modern Cuban,
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SPEAKER_01: Inglacius,
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SPEAKER_01: a lot of these guys,
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SPEAKER_01: it seems like there's a chip on the shoulder.
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SPEAKER_01: And it might be from people perceiving Cuban boxers as boring.
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And kudos to him again for trying to integrate some of that
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Philly grit in with the
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SPEAKER_00: clean Cuban boxing.
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I just think about seeing his pro debut against Burgos and
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seeing how he used his
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SPEAKER_00: footwork and how he just made a really competent pro look kind of lost.
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SPEAKER_00: And I feel like him standing in the pocket with a guy like Salcedo
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SPEAKER_00: It's impressive that he can catch and shoot and roll,
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SPEAKER_00: but again,
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SPEAKER_00: I just think he's putting himself in unnecessary risk for what he brings.
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SPEAKER_01: I know it wouldn't happen,
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SPEAKER_01: says Abe,
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SPEAKER_01: but Cruz versus Loma,
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SPEAKER_01: even an older Loma,
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SPEAKER_01: would be something special.
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SPEAKER_00: Man, I would love to see that fight.
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SPEAKER_00: I just want to know what's going on with Lomachenko.
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SPEAKER_00: He's one of the greats of this time,
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SPEAKER_00: and I just hope he's healthy enough to compete,
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SPEAKER_00: and if he's not,
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SPEAKER_00: he's got nothing left to prove.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, you got your Ernesto Tito Mercado.
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SPEAKER_01: He gave us kind of,
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SPEAKER_01: uh,
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SPEAKER_01: you always love these,
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SPEAKER_01: the potty mouth,
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SPEAKER_01: uh,
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SPEAKER_01: borderline,
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hilarious post fight where he calls out Shakur and Keyshawn
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core stands up.
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SPEAKER_01: And then he tells him to shut up.
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SPEAKER_01: Um,
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I don't know if it was comedy or unintentional comedy,
15:29
but it was something.
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Knocks out Pedraza,
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who just looked really old all fight week,
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if we're being honest.
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SPEAKER_01: When I saw him at the press conference, he looked like an older fighter.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: In the ring,
15:38
it was pretty clear that he wasn't the same guy that you and me
15:42
glorified in the
15:43
SPEAKER_01: preview show.
15:44
SPEAKER_01: He's just an older guy, and he got hit with a punch and knocked out.
15:48
SPEAKER_01: Mercado is a problem.
15:49
SPEAKER_01: What is your initial impression of Mercado?
15:53
SPEAKER_00: I like how selective he is.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: I like the way he picks his shots.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't really waste a whole lot.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: And when you got a guy like Pedraza,
15:59
SPEAKER_00: even though he's older,
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he's still got that up and down kind of herky jerky rhythm that
16:04
can be difficult to time.
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And he's just got the composure and the sharpness,
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you know,
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to nullify it.
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SPEAKER_00: I hope Pedraza thinks about maybe wrapping it up now.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: He's had a hell of a career and he's fought a who's who of his time.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: And until these last two fights, he was always a world class guy.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: And you just you hate to see a guy,
16:25
SPEAKER_00: you know,
16:27
SPEAKER_00: become an opponent who was once a top,
16:30
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: at least top six or seven guy in his weight.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just it's unfortunate, I think.
16:37
uh abe's saying tito mercado versus abril matisse i like that
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matchup that's a good
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fight for me um he stopped he stopped pedraza two rounds before
16:48
queshawn davis does
16:49
that mean anything to you not really i kind of felt like he was
16:53
beating pedraza up
16:54
not as much as queshawn was right i felt like that fight was a
16:57
real beat down this
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SPEAKER_00: was a little bit more selective um but
17:04
The body shots he's landing,
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he just has a really crisp way of delivering what he does.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe somebody with a higher work rate can give him more problems,
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but they're going to have to be really special to get past that
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speed and that power.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, just the other quick recaps.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Dakota will touch on whatever he wants.
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SPEAKER_01: Harley Madero's got a knockout win.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: Saquon Moza's got a win.
17:27
SPEAKER_01: Nishant Dev looked sensational.
17:29
He has a grudge match with Omari Jones from the Amateurs that
17:33
seems inevitable.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: And also Rubicola versus Mercado,
17:38
Israel Mercado fought to a draw in kind of like a good run at
17:42
you and fight each
17:43
SPEAKER_01: other type opener bout.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: Anything stand out to you?
17:47
Well,
17:47
you were you were hyping up Zaquon Moses a little bit before
17:50
the fight,
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right?
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I hyped up all three of those guys.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's really something.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Of course, there's only so much you could see off of one round.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: I really like Harley Madero.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: I think my only issue right now when I'm watching him is how...
18:06
SPEAKER_00: how much effort it looks like he's putting into every shot.
18:09
I'd like to see him get a little more flow to his game because
18:12
it looks like he's
18:12
SPEAKER_00: just huffing and puffing because everything's like that one speed,
18:16
SPEAKER_00: throw it as hard as you can thing.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: But that comes kind of just with development, right?
18:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it does.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: Let's go to Nao in a way.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: He fought Yejun Kim.
18:29
SPEAKER_01: It was such an eventful fight that I even forgot it happened.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: It happened on Thursday, and I didn't even put it in the show notes.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: What were your thoughts on this?
18:39
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, listen, bro.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: He tried to keep the date.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: You can't hate on the man for trying to keep the date.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: The opponent was clearly not on his level, but he showed up.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: you know, mentally there to compete.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: You could see it.
18:56
SPEAKER_00: He was letting his hands go.
18:57
I mean,
18:58
I'm glad that one of the best fighters in the world got to stay busy.
19:02
SPEAKER_00: I guess it's better than him not staying busy.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: Right.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: Well,
19:05
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: I think that like I was listening to your interview with Pullman,
19:08
SPEAKER_01: John Pullman,
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SPEAKER_01: good guy.
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Um,
19:10
listen to our slip and weave podcast,
19:12
really interesting podcast show.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: Um, and, uh,
19:18
SPEAKER_01: What's it called?
19:18
SPEAKER_01: So what happened to me with Inouye is dating back to like 2016,
19:23
SPEAKER_01: 2017,
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SPEAKER_01: Inouye's not just been like passing tests.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: He's been like ace in the exam.
19:28
SPEAKER_01: He's fighting like the best guys,
19:30
SPEAKER_01: knocking them out in one or two rounds or completely dominating them.
19:33
And really for like his last three fights has been the first
19:37
time in his career
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SPEAKER_01: where he's not fighting like the top players.
19:40
the top tier guys outside of the donair fight and really we
19:44
started to see like
19:45
some some vulnerabilities you know tj tohoney pushed him back
19:49
neary dropped him
19:50
this fight it just was an uninteresting match so nary i just
19:55
i'll let you continue
19:56
but nary to me was like the number two guy so it's tough for me
19:59
to be like mad that
20:00
SPEAKER_00: something bad happened like you just took a you know
20:04
SPEAKER_01: No, I get it.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of been Inouye's career, right?
20:08
SPEAKER_01: But I think that up until that Neri fight,
20:13
SPEAKER_01: you could say he was fighting guys that were largely avoided.
20:17
SPEAKER_01: or largely viewed as the best guy.
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SPEAKER_01: He went out of his way to fight Stephen Fulton.
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SPEAKER_01: People didn't think that the politics of the sport could allow it.
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SPEAKER_01: He fought guys like Emmanuel Rodriguez,
20:27
SPEAKER_01: Jamie McDonald,
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SPEAKER_01: when I think most guys would be like,
20:29
SPEAKER_01: let's build to this.
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SPEAKER_01: He just jumps in and stops them quickly.
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So I think that he's kind of graded on an in-away curve where
20:37
people might be a
20:37
little critical of this recent run just because he set a
20:41
standard that's pretty...
20:43
unfathomable to sustain like he's he's been a sensational
20:47
fighter he's in his 30s
20:49
he's a lower weight guy and you know i think that people
20:53
haven't really looked at
20:54
him as like a traditional fighter like how long can this fun
20:57
run of this lower
20:59
weight guy continue as opposed to what's a realistic trajectory
21:03
for a fighter to
21:04
have well and to be fair he was going to fight sam goodman
21:09
right like two different
21:10
SPEAKER_00: times he's tried to make a fight with sam goodman
21:13
SPEAKER_00: They couldn't keep it together with that cut.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what they were thinking,
21:16
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: having him sparring with the cut that close to the fight.
21:20
SPEAKER_00: I know you got to keep your timing and everything,
21:21
SPEAKER_00: but it just seems like,
21:23
SPEAKER_00: you know,
21:23
SPEAKER_00: you only got put so much time.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: Why would you take that risk?
21:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, what do I know?
21:29
SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, that was the fight he was going to have.
21:32
And that fight would have been more in line with a traditional
21:35
in a way opponent.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, this was a plan B.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: According to Lance Pugmire,
21:40
SPEAKER_01: great source of boxing scene,
21:42
it seems like David Picasso earlier last year was reported as a
21:45
potential opponent.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
21:48
SPEAKER_01: it's not like a sexy,
21:49
SPEAKER_01: sexy opponent,
21:50
SPEAKER_01: but the the outlined boxing Twitter plan,
21:53
SPEAKER_01: which,
21:54
SPEAKER_01: you know,
21:54
SPEAKER_01: boxing Twitter is always right that I saw someone say.
21:57
is potentially like a or allegedly picasso then mj and then
22:02
nick ball if that
22:03
really happens that is such a badass run of fights and if in a
22:08
way does that i
22:09
don't understand how anyone even could be critical of in a way
22:13
because like those
22:14
are some of the best fights to be made do you think goodman's
22:17
opportunity is sort
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of come and gone here do you think just having this date come
22:21
and go twice and him
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SPEAKER_00: not being able to show up on the night just sort of
22:26
SPEAKER_00: it's dead in the water.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: I think he's got it.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: I think that if Goodman wants the opportunity, he's got to fight MJ.
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I think he's got to take that MJ fight or he's got to take,
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move up and fight Nick ball.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that Goodman.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: So Abe said, you know, Abe had two comments.
22:42
Remember Keyshawn Drain,
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Pedraza to 135,
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which he hadn't been to in like three years.
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SPEAKER_01: Goodman petitioned the WBO to keep his mandatory position.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: So we will see how the politics of boxing play out.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: But to me personally, I feel like,
22:55
When guys can't make it to the big dance,
22:58
I think people are ready to move on.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: And the fact that they tried to make the fight twice,
23:02
the fact that Inouye only fought two times last year and he
23:05
traditionally likes to
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SPEAKER_01: keep busy.
23:06
I think it's going to be hard to convince the Inouye team to
23:10
fight Goodman because
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SPEAKER_01: it's just,
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SPEAKER_01: it's a tough guy.
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Like Yee-Joon Kim might not have been a sexy opponent,
23:17
but he made it to the dance.
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SPEAKER_01: And sometimes these guys that value activity, like remember Golovkin?
23:24
SPEAKER_01: Golovkin loved fighting guys that make it to the dance.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: So me personally,
23:30
I think Goodman's kind of lost his opportunity unless a lot of
23:34
things fall apart.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: It's unfortunate.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes that's the luck of the draw.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: And again,
23:39
SPEAKER_00: I think having a sparring session that close to the fight,
23:44
SPEAKER_00: that close to getting that cut,
23:47
SPEAKER_00: that seems a little crazy to me.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's move over to Jin Sasaki.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: What were your thoughts of Jin Sasaki?
23:55
SPEAKER_00: He's fun, bro.
23:56
SPEAKER_00: He's entirely hittable at any time.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: And when I'm watching him, he's got the explosiveness.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: He's really aggressive.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: He's coming forward.
24:06
There was times where I'm like,
24:07
it's almost like he's making the choice not to do defense.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Because sometimes you'd see him move his upper body and whatever.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, no, his default is to not do defense at all.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: And then sometimes he makes the choice to do defense on occasion.
24:22
and he'll move his upper body and he'll move his head and he'll
24:25
block shots.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: But for the most part, he's throwing and he's there to be hit.
24:30
So as fun as that is,
24:31
who knows how long that ride can last,
24:34
but he's a good time for sure.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: I enjoy watching him.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's weird.
24:38
Someone on Twitter said he can both look sensational and bad in
24:43
the same round.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: And I wish I could quote who it was,
24:46
SPEAKER_01: but that was like a great way of summing him up is like he looks like a
24:50
generational talent and then he looks kind of like a gatekeeper
24:53
and it'll be 30
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SPEAKER_01: seconds apart.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: I can't remember a fighter.
24:57
He kind of reminds me of the fighters from the early 2010s that
25:01
would come from
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SPEAKER_01: Japan that would like occupy just below the main event.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: those,
25:07
those number one contender fights where it was like kind of a
25:10
samurai spirit,
25:11
SPEAKER_01: not a lot of defense.
25:12
They were just known for taking big shots like Friday night
25:15
fight level fighters.
25:17
Sometimes I know Brandon Figueroa fought a guy and had a
25:20
sensational performance.
25:22
He kind of seems like he's more in that mold than the in a way
25:24
in Junto Nakatani.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:27
These,
25:28
I think Yoshihiro Kama guy was the comparison we were making
25:31
the other day.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a pretty fair one.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: Um,
25:37
SPEAKER_00: He may be slightly more measured and slightly more talented,
25:41
SPEAKER_00: but you got to be really durable to do what Kamagai did.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: So we'll see kind of where he falls.
25:48
Yeah,
25:48
okay,
25:49
so moving on to our next fight,
25:51
we will just quickly glance over.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: Dalton Smith gets a win.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: Really looked good in it.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: The guy that he was fighting, I thought, had a chance.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: When he took the first punch, it was clear he didn't have a chance.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: Just to touch on this card, Kona Walker had a great comeback win.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: Lost basically every round, knocks out Harry Scroff.
26:15
and ellie scotney who's probably one of the best women's boxers
26:18
that no one really
26:19
talks about after the fight called out sky nicholson if she
26:23
can't get other bouts
26:25
to unify her belt which i really like because she's someone
26:28
that i think just kind
26:29
of isn't catching on the way she should so to go after a name
26:33
that's kind of
26:33
getting a lot of hype is a good way to get yourself out there
26:37
those are like the
26:38
SPEAKER_01: three notable fights that i saw on that card
26:41
SPEAKER_00: Listen, bro, I've been on Dalton Smith.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: You know how I feel about him.
26:45
SPEAKER_00: I think he's a hell of a fighter.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: He ain't perfect,
26:48
but I think that we're watching somebody who's really
26:50
developing into a world-class pro.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: I don't understand the inactivity and the,
26:56
SPEAKER_00: you know,
26:56
SPEAKER_00: the not really having fought since the Zepeda win,
26:59
which you would think would kind of catapult him to a certain
27:02
position that he just
27:03
SPEAKER_00: hasn't taken.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: But I think it's obvious that he's at this point,
27:08
essentially he's a finished product and it's a put up or shut
27:11
up kind of moment.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: Also, like you can tell he's a true professional.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: You look at the body,
27:16
SPEAKER_01: you look at the size of the weight class,
27:18
you know that he's able to at least physically compete with
27:21
those top names.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: So I'm just kind of thinking like it's about time he steps up.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: It really feels like they're chasing the Adam Azim fight.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: Azim fights this week in the UK.
27:32
But I mean,
27:33
I hate when guys become inactive if they're just chasing one guy.
27:37
SPEAKER_00: So I want him to chase like the winner of Catterall Barbosa.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: You know,
27:41
SPEAKER_00: that's more,
27:42
SPEAKER_00: I think,
27:43
SPEAKER_00: you know,
27:43
those are the types of fights I think he needs to be in for the
27:48
broader boxing
27:49
SPEAKER_00: public outside of the UK to kind of get excited about him,
27:52
SPEAKER_00: which was what I thought the Zapata fight was.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: Our guy, Najee Lopez, stopped letting... Real quick, though.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: Real quick, though.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: I want to run this by you.
28:01
I really like Ellie Scottney,
28:02
but how do you think she's closing the distance on Sky?
28:05
SPEAKER_00: Because I see everybody.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: She's shorter.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
28:07
SPEAKER_00: Everybody's kind of coming to her.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: we haven't really seen her have to,
28:11
SPEAKER_00: it just seems like a tough style matchup as great as I think she is.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: Well,
28:15
I think it's that I was thinking about that this morning in my
28:17
work office,
28:18
SPEAKER_01: we call it the cold room.
28:19
SPEAKER_01: Um,
28:22
SPEAKER_01: There's going to be a lot of difficulties for Ellie in that fight,
28:27
SPEAKER_01: and I don't know how she handles that,
28:30
SPEAKER_01: right?
28:31
SPEAKER_01: Because Skye's kind of like the Troy Isley,
28:33
SPEAKER_01: Diego Pacheco's,
28:34
SPEAKER_01: where when she catches rhythm,
28:36
SPEAKER_01: she can put her car on 65,
28:38
SPEAKER_01: hit cruise control,
28:40
SPEAKER_01: and then it's just tough,
28:43
SPEAKER_01: right?
28:43
But I think Ellie presents Skye with problems that she hasn't
28:48
faced before,
28:49
as a pro just yet where there's foot feints she gets off the
28:54
line well she's going
28:55
to return punches i think she's not going to keep her hands in
28:58
her pocket but she's
29:00
also fundamentally sound so i think there's a level of punch
29:02
volume and setting
29:05
traps that sky hasn't had to fully face just yet with her
29:09
current level of
29:09
SPEAKER_01: opposition and
29:11
SPEAKER_01: But I think that the big factor in that fight for me going in is size.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: Sky is going to be a lot naturally bigger.
29:18
And Ellie's got to fight basically a perfect fight to come out victorious.
29:24
And I think Sky has a big margin of error and still could win
29:27
based on the size difference.
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yeah i just i i think she she'll it'll be a hell of a fight i
29:34
really hope that it
29:34
happens i just see when i'm watching her i'm like man she's
29:38
fucking talented but i
29:39
just don't know how she's gonna find her spots obviously that's
29:43
her her job to
29:43
figure that out i also think that there's like amongst women
29:48
who are very good
29:49
there's a there's a sentiment i kind of pick up and maybe i'm
29:53
wrong that sky's
29:53
SPEAKER_01: beatable
29:55
SPEAKER_01: I think Ellie might look at Sky and be like,
29:58
SPEAKER_01: okay,
29:59
SPEAKER_01: in the amateurs,
30:00
SPEAKER_01: she didn't achieve as much as me,
30:02
SPEAKER_01: hypothetically,
30:02
SPEAKER_01: or something.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: There might be some... And it might not even be rational.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: It might be that fighter thing.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: But I get the sense that she's looking at Sky as someone like...
30:12
SPEAKER_01: If I'm going to roll the dice and move up and wait,
30:14
SPEAKER_01: this is someone where I can get my name out there.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: I can get a bigger fight.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: And I think that she's,
30:19
SPEAKER_01: you know,
30:20
SPEAKER_01: a little vulnerable now,
30:21
SPEAKER_01: whether that's right or wrong,
30:22
SPEAKER_01: she'll find out when she gets the fight.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: But I think it's a calculated risk on her part.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: And I also think that she believes that she's undervalued,
30:31
SPEAKER_01: that people aren't assessing how good she is.
30:33
SPEAKER_01: So I think a little bit of it is like chip on the shoulder.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm really good.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm a world champion.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: No one ever brings up my name.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: And here's someone out here that, you know, is a world champion.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: Everyone brings up her name.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: She gets broadcasting jobs and all this stuff.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: I think there's a little bit of a chip on a shoulder.
30:51
I'll go up there and give her a fight and maybe you'll finally
30:53
talk about me.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, I hope they make it happen.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: Okay, now let's go over to our guy Najee Lopez.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: He knocked out Lennon Castillo.
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SPEAKER_01: What were your thoughts?
31:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a great performance.
31:07
SPEAKER_00: Clearly,
31:07
I think since the – it's hard to not think about the Callum
31:10
Smith fight when you
31:11
SPEAKER_00: think about Lennon Castillo,
31:12
SPEAKER_00: right?
31:13
SPEAKER_00: Like that's one of the most vicious knockouts I've ever seen.
31:16
He got clipped again in kind of the same way where you could
31:19
see like he just got
31:20
SPEAKER_00: separated from his nervous system for a second.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: The ref lets it continue.
31:24
And then it's like as Castillo's throwing a combination back,
31:28
that's when he stops the fight.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: And I couldn't tell if it was the corner or the ref.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: It just seemed like a really weird time to stop the fight.
31:35
SPEAKER_00: But you got to love...
31:36
SPEAKER_00: you know,
31:37
SPEAKER_00: the measured performance by Najee Lopez,
31:40
SPEAKER_00: keeping it,
31:41
SPEAKER_00: you know,
31:41
SPEAKER_00: with that left-hand jab and the check hook and the shots to the body.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: It was just a really solid performance.
31:50
SPEAKER_00: He's super talented, man.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's no doubt about it.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: He's the real deal.
31:54
Whether he's still obviously developing to some extent and
31:57
whether he's going to be
31:58
destructive enough to hang with the Morels and the Benavidezes
32:02
and the B-Vols and
32:03
SPEAKER_00: the Better Bs,
32:04
SPEAKER_00: But we're already talking.
32:06
In my mind,
32:06
I'm already thinking about him in that way because of what he
32:09
brings to the table.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think he's right up there with guys like Diego Pacheco.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: He's taken a lot of hard fights.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: He's developing great.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: I think he's a guy.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: Now,
32:22
SPEAKER_01: when you're asking a young man,
32:24
SPEAKER_01: a young fighter who doesn't have a ton of fights,
32:26
SPEAKER_01: how he does against better,
32:27
SPEAKER_01: even Bivel,
32:28
SPEAKER_01: that's a big ask.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: But I think that he's the next era of this division.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: So does he fight those guys?
32:35
SPEAKER_01: Maybe he fights Bivel in two to three years.
32:37
But I think this is a guy that's going to turn into one of the
32:40
bigger fighters in the division.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: And he has a lot of great attributes.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: And I like his temperament.
32:45
SPEAKER_01: He has a mean guy temperament.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Maybe Manuel Gallegos.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: That could be a fun fight.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: He's coming off the win over Khalil Coe.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: I think that could be a really interesting matchup for him.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
32:56
SPEAKER_00: if you want to get really ambitious,
32:57
SPEAKER_00: I would love to see him in with the winner of Boatsy and Callum Smith.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: I think that would be a tremendous fight.
33:03
But think about how good his performance was for us to even
33:06
entertain these type of
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SPEAKER_01: level of fights.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying, bro.
33:09
Like,
33:10
you know,
33:10
I'm already thinking about him against the other elite guys.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Najee's great.
33:17
SPEAKER_01: What did you think of Stanley Wright upsetting Jeremiah Milton?
33:21
SPEAKER_01: I missed that one, my brother.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: You're going to have to take the lead on that one.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: We love when I'm doing show notes and I'm hoping that you'll take that.
33:30
SPEAKER_01: But what happened was Stanley Wright took a fight on eight days notice.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: He punched Jeremiah Milton, dropped him in the first round.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: Milton, a guy that I filmed, this is crazy to me.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: Somehow six years ago,
33:42
I did a documentary in Oakland on Jeremiah Milton when he was
33:44
training for the
33:45
SPEAKER_01: Olympic trials five and a half years ago.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: You can watch that somewhere.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure where it is anymore.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: But Jeremiah Milton was training in the gym.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: Been inactive for about two years now.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: He hasn't fought a year and a half.
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SPEAKER_01: Really good guy.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: Came in second to Antonio Morales at the Olympic trials.
34:05
SPEAKER_01: Lost to Torres.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: Kind of always viewed as like a hidden gem.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: One of the best interviews in boxing.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: New coach in the corner and wasn't familiar with the coach.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: He started with Bones Adams, was around Ole Miss Pimpleton.
34:18
SPEAKER_01: Now he's got another coach.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: So there's been a lot of changes with Jeremiah.
34:23
SPEAKER_01: Takes on Stanley Wright.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: Stanley Wright is just a big puncher who, you know, took the fight.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: He had a willingness to throw punches.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: And what I saw with Jeremiah was something I didn't like seeing.
34:34
SPEAKER_01: it looked like he mentally wasn't engaged in the fight.
34:36
SPEAKER_01: He wasn't letting his hands go.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: He was too, too concerned holding.
34:42
SPEAKER_01: And I said this in my newsletter podcast that sometimes guys,
34:46
SPEAKER_01: he sparred all the top guys,
34:47
SPEAKER_01: Joshua and all that.
34:48
And sometimes when guys start spying all the top guys,
34:51
they pick up bad habits.
34:52
And one bad habit I've seen guys pick up is thinking holding is
34:56
elite level boxing work.
34:58
when the elite guys are holding because they want to break
35:01
because they're pushing themselves.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: So they get this guy in and they're holding.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: And then the, the guy who's fighting the big name guy starts holding and,
35:09
And he gets the better because he's pushing him around because
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that guy's just kind
35:13
SPEAKER_01: of going limp.
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And he's just letting this guy do all the work because he has
35:16
to go 10,
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12 rounds.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: Maybe that guy's going six rounds.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: And I was a little concerned that Jeremiah had a tendency.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: One of his adjustments was clinch after getting hit.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: And he didn't really seem to have an identity in this fight.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: So he was jabbing, but he couldn't really keep the range.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: He didn't want to initiate.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the power of Stanley Wright.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: He wanted Stanley to initiate so he could counterpunch,
35:38
SPEAKER_01: but when Stanley was getting off,
35:39
SPEAKER_01: he kind of would just pull straight back or he'd move.
35:42
SPEAKER_01: So Jeremiah just found himself in a really hard fight,
35:44
SPEAKER_01: living a nightmare,
35:45
SPEAKER_01: and he ended up losing a fight to a late replacement.
35:47
He had had three opponents in the last two and a half weeks,
35:53
hard to match a heavyweight,
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right?
35:55
SPEAKER_01: Ends up losing to Stanley Wright.
35:56
SPEAKER_01: Stanley Wright,
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SPEAKER_01: to me,
35:58
SPEAKER_01: probably will go on to fight a guy like Antonio Morales,
36:00
SPEAKER_01: who's fighting on a pro box TV card.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a banger of a fight.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, he's coming back on pro box TV card in Jamestown next month.
36:11
SPEAKER_01: But to me, it was a very disappointing fight for Jeremiah.
36:15
SPEAKER_01: But if Jeremiah was having troubles getting fights,
36:19
this type of bad performance is a great performance to get your
36:21
phone to bring.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: Because now I think a lot of guys are going to be calling him asking.
36:25
SPEAKER_01: So he's just always got to do is get in the gym, work hard.
36:29
But now the phone's going to ring because it was just it was a
36:32
nightmare of a
36:33
SPEAKER_01: performance for a very talented fighter.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
36:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: the couple of times I've seen him as talented as I think he is,
36:40
SPEAKER_00: his work rates never been real high.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: And my just feeling like he's not as engaged or maybe passionate.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure what the right word is, but.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: you know, in a more 50-50 type fight, that'll really show up.
36:54
SPEAKER_01: Well, he's got stuff to work on now.
36:56
SPEAKER_01: The speed round continues.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: I was at the Golden Boy...
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thursday night card in los angeles uh eric priest won it was
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kind of a unanimous
37:06
decision level up fight jordan pantheon had a hard fight but to
37:10
me the star of the
37:10
show was grant flores yes the guy he fought had been stopped in
37:14
the first round by
37:15
his previous opponent but the way the fans interacted with him
37:18
and the way he
37:18
overwhelmed his opponent to me grant flores was the story of
37:22
the night and i think
37:23
SPEAKER_01: he's trending and
37:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, quote me on this.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: Like a Ryan Garcia,
37:28
SPEAKER_01: like a Virgil Ortiz,
37:29
SPEAKER_01: like a Floyd Schofield,
37:30
a Golden Boy organic star who should be headlining cards in the
37:35
next year or two on
37:35
SPEAKER_01: this smaller scene and then leveling up.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: Didn't get to see this one, unfortunately, but glad you were there, bro.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: I was there, so that's that.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: Let's go into David Benavidez, David Murrell.
37:49
SPEAKER_01: Let's preview this fight.
37:51
such a crazy two weekends we got we go from nothing to
37:54
everything right um but
37:56
listen bro i was talking about this with john pullman the other
37:59
day like in my mind
38:01
this is kind of the best america-based fight signed right now
38:08
and the less of those
38:09
SPEAKER_00: we get the more i come to appreciate ones like this um
38:15
It just feels like American boxing has gotten more and more
38:20
complicated in terms of
38:21
the business and the negotiations and the fan base is becoming
38:25
smaller and more diehard.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: And it's just a weird combination of things.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: And guys like David,
38:32
SPEAKER_00: guys like Bam Rodriguez,
38:33
SPEAKER_00: guys like Diego Pacheco,
38:35
SPEAKER_00: you know,
38:35
SPEAKER_00: young fighters that really want to take the tough fights,
38:40
SPEAKER_00: you know,
38:40
SPEAKER_00: at least guys in terms of guys from the States,
38:42
SPEAKER_00: those are the guys moving it forward right now.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: And, um,
38:46
SPEAKER_00: It's a hell of a fight.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: It's a real 50 50 fight.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: I have to lean Benavidez just because of the massive experience gap.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: But man, these are the these.
38:56
SPEAKER_00: And this could have been a fight.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: You know,
38:57
SPEAKER_00: if it was two American guys,
38:59
they would have sit and putzed around and fucking talked on the
39:03
Internet for a year
39:03
SPEAKER_00: and a half.
39:05
And there would have been memes and there would have been
39:07
bullshit and content.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: And these two guys just made a fight.
39:11
And more and more,
39:12
I think that the international boxing audience has a real
39:17
hunger for that.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: And we're kind of getting left behind.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: I agree with that.
39:24
SPEAKER_01: I just want to stylistically break this down.
39:26
SPEAKER_01: To me, I don't like the temperament and morale going into this fight.
39:31
He seems a little too casual and slightly arrogant leading into
39:34
this fight,
39:34
SPEAKER_01: like skills alone are going to beat Benavidez.
39:37
SPEAKER_01: Benavidez is one of these guys where he has a will along with a skill.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: So you're not just fighting his talent,
39:43
SPEAKER_01: which I think Benavidez is very underrated with his talent.
39:46
You're fighting a demeanor and approach of someone that wants
39:49
to inflict a lot of damage on you.
39:51
And the difference between the two I've seen in the fight
39:54
preview videos so far is
39:56
SPEAKER_01: Benavidez really wants to hurt Morell.
39:58
Morell believes he's going to outclass and embarrass Benavidez
40:03
with his traditional
40:04
SPEAKER_01: boxing skills.
40:06
And I think that that comes from experience possibly is that
40:12
Benavidez knows maybe
40:13
SPEAKER_01: the difficulties of a 50-50 fight.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: And he's going into like a Hagler type mindset where I think Morell
40:21
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to say he's arrogant,
40:23
but there's a level of overconfidence and maybe it's a good overconfidence,
40:27
but I'm a little concerned that he might be a little
40:29
overconfident that what he's
40:31
going to do is going to work because I think both guys are
40:33
going to have moments in
40:34
SPEAKER_01: this fight.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: And that's why I like you.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: I lean towards Benavidez because experience is something you can't teach.
40:41
SPEAKER_01: And Benavidez is a guy.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: And then I also think Benavidez is a guy.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: where you have to have a demeanor of a mean mofo.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: You've got to be a tough,
40:52
SPEAKER_01: mean dude because Benavidez is very,
40:54
SPEAKER_01: very mentally strong,
40:56
SPEAKER_01: a very tough guy.
40:57
SPEAKER_01: And his intentions are not to win this fight.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: His intentions are to break down and beat up David Murrell on this fight.
41:04
SPEAKER_01: He's saying that he's going to retire David Murrell.
41:07
The fact that Murrell is not answering back leaves me with some
41:10
questions about
41:11
SPEAKER_01: Murrell's intentions because he's
41:13
SPEAKER_01: And I also feel like Benavidez in the buildup, right?
41:17
You don't watch the press conferences and the media workouts,
41:19
but they did a media workout.
41:21
morale's never been like a push you guy get in your face guy
41:25
and the build up to
41:25
this he's doing maybe the cell of fight he throws a belt at
41:28
benavidez benavidez is
41:30
the same guy that he's been at for all these other fights
41:33
there's some difference
41:34
with morale and it's hard for me to not see that as some
41:37
pre-fight jitters you know
41:39
when guys are that different for a big fight so for me i think
41:43
this is going to be
41:43
SPEAKER_01: a benavidez fight but
41:45
SPEAKER_01: they're both going to have their moments, man.
41:47
SPEAKER_01: And this is going to be one of those real fights that's very special.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: And hopefully they both leave with a lot of respect.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Morel's kind of jumping into the deep end here.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: When you look at the,
42:00
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:00
SPEAKER_00: that he's taken good opponents as far as like,
42:02
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:03
SPEAKER_00: being a prospect,
42:03
SPEAKER_00: but he's,
42:04
SPEAKER_00: he doesn't have a lot of fights.
42:06
SPEAKER_00: This is a gigantic step up.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: And on some level, I think like,
42:13
like you said,
42:13
him,
42:14
him kind of acting out of pocket or acting out of character.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: I think that that's what,
42:19
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:20
he's jumping into the deep end and he sees a guy who comes with
42:22
a lot of intensity
42:24
SPEAKER_00: to every single event.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: And I think he's just trying to match that, but that may not serve him.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: It kind of plays into what Benavidez wants.
42:31
SPEAKER_00: He wants you to fight emotional.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: He wants you to get out of character.
42:35
SPEAKER_00: And for the most part, he's able to get guys to do that, right?
42:37
SPEAKER_00: Like Boo Boo came out and tried to brawl.
42:40
SPEAKER_00: Um,
42:41
Caleb Plant halfway through the fight was kind of forced into a
42:45
fight that he
42:46
SPEAKER_00: really didn't want to be in.
42:47
You know,
42:48
I think that he's been successful in getting guys to do that in
42:51
the past.
42:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay,
42:53
SPEAKER_01: so Champy said,
42:54
SPEAKER_01: even before the fight,
42:55
SPEAKER_01: Morel has been talking a lot of crap about Benavidez the past two years.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: He's been holding that in and using his motivation.
43:01
SPEAKER_01: That's all fine and good,
43:02
SPEAKER_01: but when you see the guy,
43:05
SPEAKER_01: Benavidez,
43:06
SPEAKER_01: it's fine to talk crap about him to get a fight.
43:08
SPEAKER_01: This is a scary dude.
43:10
SPEAKER_01: Benavidez is one of the scariest punchers in all of boxing.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: Remember,
43:14
SPEAKER_01: weren't we on together,
43:15
SPEAKER_01: or was it me and Felix,
43:16
SPEAKER_01: where I was like,
43:17
SPEAKER_01: are you going to get the Porky Medina,
43:18
SPEAKER_01: the eight-punch combo,
43:19
SPEAKER_01: and he smiled and he'd be weak.
43:21
this is not a quote-unquote fighter this is a tough man who is
43:24
trained to fight and
43:27
he is not a punk and i'm not saying morel's a punk i'm just
43:30
saying i don't know he
43:31
may not entirely know what he's getting in there with them do
43:34
you get what i'm
43:35
saying because it's like with benavidez i feel like he's a very
43:38
very sincere guy
43:40
he's very very sincere but when you disrespect him he holds
43:44
that in and he's very
43:45
SPEAKER_01: angry in the gym and he's trying to hurt you and
43:49
Like you bring up Demetrius Andrade and Caleb Plant,
43:53
they're both very talented boxers.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: Boxing alone is not going to beat Benavidez.
43:59
SPEAKER_01: It just isn't.
44:00
You're not going to have the energy to keep this guy off you
44:02
for 12 rounds.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: You have to selectively pick shots.
44:06
SPEAKER_01: And that's where my concern with Morrell is.
44:09
How does Morrell do when he has to sit in the pocket with this
44:12
guy who's willing to
44:13
get hit at times because he just thinks he's going to really
44:15
break you down?
44:16
SPEAKER_00: And how does he keep up the tempo?
44:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we haven't seen him had to sustain a tempo of any kind.
44:21
SPEAKER_00: And then,
44:22
SPEAKER_00: you know,
44:22
SPEAKER_00: against Hot Rod,
44:23
SPEAKER_00: he kind of struggles down the last four,
44:25
SPEAKER_00: three rounds,
44:26
SPEAKER_00: maybe loses the last couple of rounds.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of unanswered questions.
44:31
But listen,
44:31
that's why I'm saying you could find a million reasons in
44:37
American boxing.
44:38
not to make this happen we got to let it marinate well who's he
44:41
beating this and
44:42
that there's a million different reasons why this could turn
44:45
into a three-year uh
44:47
internet feud and they're just making the fight bro and i like
44:50
it i like that it's
44:51
that simple i like when guys do that right because they're
44:55
giving us a great fight
44:56
uh over under the disc starts out like haggler hearns two guys
45:00
with a lot of energy
45:01
SPEAKER_01: that just go for broke
45:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so, bro.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: Honestly, I think they're both smarter than that.
45:06
And I know that David Benavidez is an intense guy,
45:09
but he's also a really smart fighter.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: He may come out swinging.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: I just think that they're both a little bit more thoughtful than that.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: Al the pal, thank you for being in the comments today.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: Morel is the same as Andre.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: Look at what happened to Andre.
45:25
SPEAKER_01: It was 190 plus fight night.
45:27
Andre with Southpaw,
45:28
same height,
45:29
big fight night experience,
45:30
more experience.
45:31
SPEAKER_01: done more rounds and look at what happened to him.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: And David didn't hate Andre.
45:34
SPEAKER_01: He hates morale.
45:35
SPEAKER_01: I think that's, I think that's a fair comparison.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: Honestly.
45:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, people disrespect Demetrius.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: Demetrius is a hell of a fighter and he was doing good.
45:43
And I feel like he kind of buzzed Benavidez and Benavidez is like,
45:47
Oh,
45:47
this pissed me off.
45:48
SPEAKER_01: And then Benavidez switched to gear and just changed the fight.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: Um,
45:53
SPEAKER_01: It's good.
45:53
SPEAKER_01: This is a great fight, man.
45:55
SPEAKER_01: If you like boxing,
45:56
you really need to buy this fight because these are the
45:58
matchups we need to reward.
46:00
SPEAKER_01: We need to tell the promoters we will watch great matchups.
46:04
SPEAKER_01: We are not going to watch the bad matchups.
46:06
SPEAKER_00: We're going to tell PBC specifically.
46:09
Really all promoters,
46:11
but these are the matchups that we need to be rewarded with.
46:14
SPEAKER_01: You need to go out of your way to go watch.
46:18
SPEAKER_01: Let's go into the co-feature.
46:19
SPEAKER_01: That's Brandon Figueroa versus Stephen Fulton.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: It's a rematch.
46:23
SPEAKER_01: What are your thoughts on this fight?
46:25
Well,
46:26
I mean,
46:27
as much as,
46:27
you know,
46:28
Fulton won the first one,
46:29
you'd have to favor Figueroa.
46:30
SPEAKER_00: Again, Figueroa just not active, bro.
46:34
I think that's a big theme is there's guys on this card that I
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love watching that I want to see.
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SPEAKER_00: And a lot of them just aren't active.
46:40
SPEAKER_00: And I'm glad that we're getting to see Figueroa.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: But what do we see him?
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SPEAKER_00: Once a year?
46:45
SPEAKER_00: Once every 15 months?
46:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's like a... To some extent... He's like Waldo, basically.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: You have to kind of search out to figure out...
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if they're all modeling their careers after Keith Thurman,
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SPEAKER_00: but it's just not going to work for all of you.
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SPEAKER_00: You have to fight more than once every 16 months.
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SPEAKER_00: And I love this matchup.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: I think Fulton...
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has a lot of questions he's going to have to answer and he's
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going to have a big,
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SPEAKER_00: strong,
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SPEAKER_00: physical,
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SPEAKER_00: high pace featherweight in his chest,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: asking him those questions.
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SPEAKER_00: I definitely have to lean towards Figueroa.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: But again,
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SPEAKER_00: when you don't fight very often,
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SPEAKER_00: it's tough to know how long it's going to take you to build your rhythm.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a tough one, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I saw Figueroa win in the first fight.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll let you go while I get some water real quick.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I saw Figueroa win in the first fight.
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SPEAKER_01: That was my perception.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of people didn't see it.
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SPEAKER_01: I saw Fulton getting hurt to the body.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a close competitive fight.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: But I actually thought that Brandon Figueroa had won the first fight.
47:45
SPEAKER_01: So now you're looking at Fulton who lost to Inouye.
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And really after losing to Inouye,
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there's just been a lot of mental red flags with Fulton.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, he's a very talented fighter.
47:55
SPEAKER_01: He has a tremendous skill set, right?
47:58
SPEAKER_01: He's got, they call him scooter.
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SPEAKER_01: People have called like,
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SPEAKER_01: he has great range,
48:02
SPEAKER_01: like radar in the ring,
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SPEAKER_01: but against Carlos Castro,
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SPEAKER_01: people underrated the ability of Castro.
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SPEAKER_01: So I don't rate that fight as bad as probably the average person.
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SPEAKER_01: But that being said, um,
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To me,
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this is just two guys currently who their careers are going in
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two different directions.
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And Fulton,
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to me,
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the biggest red flag really was when he first fought Figueroa.
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SPEAKER_01: And like I said before,
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because Dakota came back and I said that I thought Figueroa won
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the first fight.
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Fulton seemed to have the most motivation in his career and was
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in the best shape.
48:37
My biggest concern with Fulton now is I'm not seeing that same
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level of conditioning,
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SPEAKER_01: quote unquote,
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SPEAKER_01: at least to me.
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And against Figueroa,
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you have to be in tip top shape because it's almost like Benavidez.
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SPEAKER_01: You have to be skillful to outbox him.
48:50
SPEAKER_01: But really, the conditioning is a big thing in this fight.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm just not sure how much Fulton is giving currently, given kind of
48:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure how motivated he is.
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I think that there's a big letdown to fighting for these big
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money purses,
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SPEAKER_01: like with Inouye,
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SPEAKER_01: and then coming back to maybe smaller fights.
49:10
And this is a big crossroads fight for him,
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but I think Figueroa is now trending up.
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SPEAKER_01: And Fulton's trending down.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of people saw the first fight the way I saw it,
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SPEAKER_01: where they thought Figueroa won the fight.
49:22
And I think that is going to actually make Figueroa did think
49:25
he won the first fight,
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SPEAKER_01: but he's coming in with a chip on his shoulder.
49:28
SPEAKER_01: It's a very hard fight, in my opinion, for Fulton.
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SPEAKER_00: It's also happening at a different weight.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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I think it's a weight that's more natural to Figueroa than it
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is for Fulton.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, Champy.
49:41
SPEAKER_01: Jesus Ramos is going to steal the show.
49:44
SPEAKER_01: He's coming from 154, going to be a great day for Arizona.
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SPEAKER_01: I saw that too.
49:48
SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people feel Figaro is the winner.
49:50
SPEAKER_01: Dakota, who did you think won the first fight?
49:53
SPEAKER_00: I remember feeling like Fulton edged it.
49:56
SPEAKER_00: I felt like it was a 7-5 type of fight.
49:59
I just felt like he was – I felt like his defense was a little underappreciated,
50:04
SPEAKER_00: and I felt like he was just landing the cleaner shots.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: But it was a real flip a coin kind of fight.
50:10
SPEAKER_00: It's the exact kind of fight you need a rematch for.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: But I do remember thinking that Fulton just barely edged it.
50:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
50:19
SPEAKER_01: Now we're going to get to Isaac Pitbull Cruz taking on Angel Fierro.
50:24
So you muted yourself real quick,
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Bob,
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but I'm very confused by Cruz's situation.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: I thought he was fighting Ryan Garcia in a couple of months.
50:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't think I remembered that he was on this card.
50:35
SPEAKER_00: It just seems unclear.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: Is he fighting Ryan Garcia?
50:38
SPEAKER_01: So we talked about this last week,
50:40
but I'm glad you brought it up because it goes into some
50:42
topical news of the week.
50:44
No,
50:44
I know we talked about this matchup,
50:46
but since then there's been all of this.
50:48
Then I see it's going to be rolly,
50:50
typical of any kind of Ryan Garcia news,
50:52
right?
50:53
SPEAKER_00: But...
50:54
SPEAKER_00: Is that the case?
50:56
SPEAKER_01: So what happened is,
50:57
SPEAKER_01: and I respect what it seems like,
51:00
SPEAKER_01: Lance Pugmire boxing scene,
51:02
SPEAKER_01: one of the best writers in all of boxing,
51:04
SPEAKER_01: arguably maybe even the best writer,
51:05
SPEAKER_01: depending on who you ask,
51:07
SPEAKER_01: did a feature with Cruz or Cruz's team,
51:12
SPEAKER_01: and it appears that they chose to focus solely on this fight.
51:16
So they weren't looking ahead,
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which I greatly respect that opinion,
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right?
51:20
SPEAKER_01: Because we were talking about this is a tough fight.
51:22
SPEAKER_01: He's fighting a like-minded guy come forward.
51:25
SPEAKER_01: He's gotten upset wins.
51:26
And like you take a fight like this against a tough customer
51:29
and that's how you end
51:30
SPEAKER_01: up in a tough fight.
51:31
So he's not taking the Ryan Garcia fight per se because he has
51:35
a fight scheduled
51:36
SPEAKER_01: and they wanted to get through the fight.
51:38
SPEAKER_01: And it sounded like they needed confirmation or something,
51:40
SPEAKER_01: but that bout hasn't even been confirmed.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: So we don't even know what's going on,
51:44
SPEAKER_01: but it sounds like now it's Jose Ramirez,
51:47
SPEAKER_01: Devin Aini,
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SPEAKER_01: Rolly Romero,
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SPEAKER_01: Ryan Garcia,
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SPEAKER_01: which are both really solid fights in my opinion.
51:53
SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people are laughing at them,
51:55
SPEAKER_01: but I think that both of those fights,
51:56
and we can get to them in our news and notes when we're just
51:59
bullet pointing,
52:01
SPEAKER_01: they're both compelling matchups to me.
52:03
SPEAKER_01: I think those are both real good fights,
52:05
SPEAKER_01: and they answer questions with both guys who've been largely inactive.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, those fights are fine.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: I think for Cruz, you know, I think that's the right move.
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SPEAKER_00: You're coming off a loss in your own right against Ryo.
52:18
SPEAKER_00: That was a good fight,
52:19
but it was a fight that he clearly lost and showed that there
52:23
is a style that
52:23
SPEAKER_00: bothers him.
52:25
SPEAKER_00: So you take another loss,
52:26
SPEAKER_00: you know,
52:27
against a guy that's not as recognizable because you're looking
52:30
ahead to this big opportunity.
52:32
SPEAKER_00: Then there's no opportunity, right, if you lose that fight.
52:35
SPEAKER_00: So I definitely respect that approach for sure.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: Break down the fight for me.
52:41
SPEAKER_00: I've only seen Fierro a handful of times.
52:44
SPEAKER_00: I've seen a lot of Pitbull cruise fights,
52:45
and I just feel like if you give him any kind of opportunity to
52:49
sit and really rip shots,
52:52
SPEAKER_00: you're going to lose.
52:53
SPEAKER_00: And so to me,
52:55
outside of fighting a perfectly disciplined fight the way that
52:59
Ryo did or a master
53:01
SPEAKER_00: boxer like Shakur or maybe even like a Richardson Hitchens,
53:06
SPEAKER_00: I just think that if you give him those moments,
53:08
SPEAKER_00: he's taking them and he's going to win.
53:10
SPEAKER_00: And I think this will be another one of those because he's,
53:13
SPEAKER_00: again,
53:13
SPEAKER_00: we're not talking about somebody who is an Arislandi Lara,
53:17
SPEAKER_00: you know what I mean?
53:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
53:21
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
53:21
I just I think it's a tough fight because you got two Mexican
53:24
fighters who are
53:25
SPEAKER_01: pretty strong who punch and they're going to go forward.
53:27
I would favor Cruz because he's shown that he's a dynamic
53:30
fighter that's capable of
53:31
SPEAKER_01: winning titles.
53:32
SPEAKER_01: And Fiora hasn't.
53:33
But this is the type of fight where you can end up getting a
53:36
weird result or you can get it.
53:39
SPEAKER_00: I think it's going to be fun.
53:41
SPEAKER_01: I think it's going to be about six or seven rounds of real violence.
53:46
I think they're going to give the most dull press conference
53:49
quotes and possibly
53:50
the most fun fight on the card because I think it's going to be
53:53
very reckless.
53:54
SPEAKER_01: I think Cruz is going to come out with a point to prove,
53:56
and I think Fiera is someone who feels as though he should be
54:03
in these type of
54:03
SPEAKER_01: fights and was largely overlooked.
54:06
So I'm never a fan of fighting a guy who feels like he has a
54:09
chip on his shoulder
54:09
SPEAKER_01: and has won a big fight.
54:11
SPEAKER_01: when being largely ignored.
54:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
54:14
SPEAKER_00: Cruz just,
54:14
SPEAKER_00: he just sort of strikes me,
54:15
SPEAKER_00: you know,
54:16
there's certain kinds of guys where that outside style is
54:19
always going to bother him.
54:20
But if you give them any moment in the pocket to set and let
54:24
their shots rip,
54:25
SPEAKER_00: you know,
54:25
SPEAKER_00: like Antonio Margarito is a great example of that.
54:28
SPEAKER_00: David Tua is a great example of that.
54:31
SPEAKER_00: I think Cruz might be one of those kind of guys.
54:36
SPEAKER_01: And then opening the card, we got Jesus Ramos Jr.
54:38
SPEAKER_01: versus Jason Rosario.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: Love that fight.
54:45
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you know, Jesus is such an incredible talent.
54:49
SPEAKER_00: I just want to see him in with the best of the best of the best.
54:52
SPEAKER_00: But Rosario is a good veteran coming off the Jarrett Hurd fight.
54:57
SPEAKER_00: It's a little bit of a mismatch for me.
55:00
SPEAKER_00: If I'm being honest, I think it's a little bit of a mismatch.
55:02
SPEAKER_00: But I'd rather see Jesus in the ring than not see him in the ring.
55:11
SPEAKER_02: My mic disconnected as you said that, so there was a slight delay.
55:15
Yeah,
55:16
I mean,
55:17
I think that they're in two different points of their career,
55:19
right?
55:20
Rosario is a former champion who had a great performance
55:24
against Jarrett Hurd.
55:25
SPEAKER_01: He's probably getting rewarded even though that was a draw.
55:27
SPEAKER_01: It felt like he kind of had the stronger performance of the two.
55:31
SPEAKER_01: Ramos feels like
55:33
SPEAKER_01: He probably should have beat Erickson Lubin, didn't get the decision.
55:36
It kind of altered his path towards a title where now he's kind
55:40
of still stuck in
55:41
SPEAKER_01: that mid-level,
55:41
SPEAKER_01: but he's a real guy.
55:43
SPEAKER_01: It feels like two guys at two different points of their career.
55:46
SPEAKER_01: And this is the classic for Asus Ramos, don't mess this up, dude.
55:50
Like you've got to kind of show that you're a competent
55:52
professional and you're
55:53
SPEAKER_01: able to fight a former world champion who has a lot of power.
55:57
who's coming in and is looking to revive his career,
55:59
beating a guy like you.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: This is what competent professionals do,
56:03
is they have a professional performance against someone that
56:07
maybe on paper they're
56:08
SPEAKER_01: supposed to beat,
56:09
SPEAKER_01: but he stands out and kind of dominates.
56:13
SPEAKER_01: I think what I'm expecting from Ramos,
56:14
SPEAKER_01: based on my expectation of his talent,
56:17
SPEAKER_01: is for him to separate.
56:18
SPEAKER_01: I think an X factor for this fight is Bob Santos is a very good coach.
56:23
SPEAKER_01: So if Rosario is going to win, it's going to come down to Bob,
56:27
helping him have a tremendous training camp where he gets into
56:31
tip top shape and
56:32
they really maximize what Rosario can do because I think at
56:35
this point skill for
56:37
SPEAKER_01: skill set for skill set Ramos has more skill than Rosario.
56:42
So it's going to come down to a game plan and conditioning and
56:45
X factors.
56:46
And I think the tough thing is I think Ramos works just as hard
56:49
as Rosario in the gym.
56:50
SPEAKER_01: So it's going to,
56:51
SPEAKER_01: it would be one of those,
56:53
SPEAKER_01: you know,
56:53
you have to craft a very excellent game plan and get the most
56:56
out of the fighter.
56:57
I think for this to go Rosario's way,
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I just can't see a world where he's got the durability.
57:04
SPEAKER_01: It's very much.
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SPEAKER_01: I just had to craft that little picture for you.
57:07
SPEAKER_01: We got basically 10 more minutes,
57:10
and then I'm going to eat some delicious Mexican food and watch
57:14
some NFL playoff games.
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57:27
SPEAKER_01: Champy said, PBC chose to ignore that they have a future star.
57:31
SPEAKER_01: Dude is barely 23, which is hard to believe.
57:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
57:35
SPEAKER_01: that is kind of strange how little Ramos gets kind of pushed out there,
57:39
SPEAKER_01: but that's whatever.
57:40
SPEAKER_01: That's whoever's choice.
57:43
Keith Thurman fighting Brock Jarvis,
57:45
and it looks like Tim Zhu could be possibly fighting...
57:48
joey spencer according to some just stuff floating on the
57:52
internet what are your
57:53
thoughts on those fights they're fine i i don't know a whole
57:58
lot about brock jarvis
57:59
so i can't speak to whether or not that's an exciting opponent
58:02
for keith thurman i
58:03
always like to see some keith thurman bro he just doesn't ever
58:06
let us so if he
58:08
wants to come and have a fight i'm all for watching some keith
58:11
thurman um and i
58:13
SPEAKER_00: think that tim zoo
58:15
You know,
58:15
he needs a credible opponent who maybe has his own vulnerabilities.
58:20
SPEAKER_00: And,
58:22
SPEAKER_00: you know,
58:22
but it always feels like when you start contriving matchups
58:25
before other matchups happen,
58:26
SPEAKER_00: you get into trouble.
58:27
SPEAKER_00: Right.
58:28
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
58:30
SPEAKER_00: Maybe these things happen.
58:31
SPEAKER_00: Maybe they don't.
58:32
SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
58:34
SPEAKER_00: For me,
58:34
SPEAKER_00: as far as Keith is concerned,
58:35
SPEAKER_00: as much as I love watching him,
58:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't believe it until the ring walks happen to him.
58:40
I think Brock Jarvis is best known for being the guy that was
58:43
signed to Matchroom
58:43
SPEAKER_01: who looks just like me when I take my shirt off.
58:46
SPEAKER_01: And Liam Paro ran through him.
58:49
And that was kind of like the intro of Liam Paro to the world
58:52
was when Liam Paro
58:53
SPEAKER_01: kind of starched Brock Jarvis.
58:56
SPEAKER_00: I didn't get to see it.
58:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's happening.
59:00
SPEAKER_01: The rumored Haney, Ramirez, Ryan Garcia, Roley's card.
59:07
SPEAKER_01: Any thoughts on that?
59:14
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, man.
59:15
SPEAKER_00: It's all kind of fine and dandy.
59:17
SPEAKER_00: I have no personal desire to prolong this rivalry,
59:23
SPEAKER_00: so I'd rather them kind of just have the second fight and keep it moving.
59:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how it helps either of them to take pretty risky fights.
59:33
SPEAKER_00: Not that they're not both heavily favored.
59:35
SPEAKER_00: I just don't see what... There's nothing to build up.
59:38
SPEAKER_00: Who gives a shit?
59:42
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
59:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm fine with the matchups.
59:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh, they both have been really inactive.
59:48
SPEAKER_01: So,
59:48
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
59:48
SPEAKER_00: just to get them more nights of them,
59:50
SPEAKER_00: two more fight buildups of them fucking yapping at each other.
59:53
SPEAKER_00: Like I've kind of had enough.
59:56
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's just, it is what it is.
59:58
Like,
59:59
so from my position in the sport,
1:00:01
and I'm lucky enough to have a position in the sport.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_01: Do I love that side of boxing?
1:00:06
SPEAKER_01: No,
1:00:07
but that side of boxing also keeps the 360 promotions and the
1:00:13
pro boxes and the
1:00:14
SPEAKER_01: Salida promotion,
1:00:16
SPEAKER_01: big fight USA cards going,
1:00:19
SPEAKER_01: which are the stuff I love are those things.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_01: So maybe it's not a lot of people, but one to three people,
1:00:26
watch for that fight and then they slowly go oh boxing's on and
1:00:29
boxing's on so I
1:00:31
try to take an approach that though influencer boxing might not
1:00:34
grow boxing Ryan
1:00:35
Garcia and Devin Haney fans slowly might integrate into
1:00:39
watching more hardcore
1:00:40
cards which is better for the sport at large so though I'm not
1:00:45
a fan of maybe the
1:00:45
behaviors of the press conference I am a fan of young people
1:00:50
watching boxing and
1:00:51
SPEAKER_01: maybe casually getting into more hardcore cards
1:00:55
SPEAKER_00: I think everything you're saying is true.
1:00:57
Just for me personally,
1:00:58
I'm kind of all set on,
1:01:02
on both of them right now,
1:01:04
to be honest.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_00: And I'm certainly all set on both of them being in the same room.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_00: I,
1:01:09
Brian Garcia has done nothing to show that he's a professional
1:01:11
or that he's
1:01:12
SPEAKER_00: reliable in the last year or two.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_00: And like,
1:01:16
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but I'm just not really that interested in him overall.
1:01:20
And I think that Devin's really done himself a disservice by
1:01:23
not just moving
1:01:24
SPEAKER_00: forward separate from Ryan Garcia.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_01: One last thing I want to touch on,
1:01:31
SPEAKER_01: and then we're done for this week,
1:01:32
SPEAKER_01: is Clarissa Shields is fighting Daniel Perkins on Sunday.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_01: What are your thoughts on this fight, Daniel?
1:01:37
SPEAKER_00: I was actually going to ask you, bro.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_00: Is that a real fight?
1:01:40
SPEAKER_00: I don't know Perkins.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_01: It's a real fight.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_01: Daniel Perkins might be 42, but she's a real heavyweight.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_01: She had a college basketball career.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_01: She's 5-0,
1:01:49
SPEAKER_01: two knockouts,
1:01:49
but she's a real six-foot heavyweight lady who competed and had
1:01:55
a USA Boxing
1:01:56
SPEAKER_01: amateur experience.
1:01:57
And there is a question around how does Clarissa do fighting
1:02:01
someone that's a
1:02:01
SPEAKER_01: natural heavyweight?
1:02:03
SPEAKER_01: So Clarissa is also really interesting as a person.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_01: She thinks that Danielle Perkins is underestimating her,
1:02:10
thinking that she's just naturally bigger than her and that
1:02:12
that alone will do it.
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I think Clarissa is really interesting because people can
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nitpick her opposition,
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SPEAKER_01: but no one's ever done it in these weight classes that she's done.
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SPEAKER_01: So if it's really that easy, why didn't someone else do it?
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SPEAKER_01: I think that's the catch 22.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, sure.
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SPEAKER_01: You can point to there's limited competition,
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but she's beating everyone she can and no one before or after
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has done what she's done.
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SPEAKER_01: So is it really that easy?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, it's definitely not easy.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: There's nothing easy about it.
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There's nothing easy about fighting fighters who are naturally
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bigger than you.
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SPEAKER_00: I also do think,
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SPEAKER_00: again,
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it does kind of speak to just the lack of maybe interesting
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competition and weights below.
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And we are still to some extent kind of waiting for Jadeja
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Green to make herself
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SPEAKER_00: that appealing opponent.
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SPEAKER_00: But at the moment,
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I think Claress is just trying to innovate and do what's sort
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of like the most
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SPEAKER_00: interesting option in front of her.
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SPEAKER_01: By the way, her movie is awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: So if anyone has a chance, her movie is a great movie.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like a really, really good one.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that also another knock on Clarissa.
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SPEAKER_01: She behaves like basically every pro boxer ever.
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But because she's a woman,
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people are like,
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oh man,
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she's really getting aggressive.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's like you look and there's like 50 men that behave like Clarissa.
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SPEAKER_01: But then because Clarissa behaves like every other kind of like young,
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SPEAKER_01: talented,
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SPEAKER_01: aggressive fighter,
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she gets a backlash that I think a lot of other fighters that
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are men don't get.
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Not to make it a sexist conversation,
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but quite frankly,
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I think Clarissa gets graded
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SPEAKER_01: as like aggressive or confrontational with media really unfairly,
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SPEAKER_01: because I feel like there's a lot of,
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SPEAKER_00: go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00: I was just going to say,
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SPEAKER_00: anytime somebody is like the first at something,
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SPEAKER_00: there's this expectation that they'll,
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SPEAKER_00: there'll be some sort of puritanical,
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SPEAKER_00: like a puritanical or perfect entity that is without flaws or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: You just get held to a different kind of standard.
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SPEAKER_00: And it definitely seems like that's the case for, for her.
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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SPEAKER_01: I think what's cool for her is you don't think of Flint,
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Michigan as a place you could go to a boxing gym and watch a
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superstar rise and
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SPEAKER_01: bring boxing events back.
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SPEAKER_01: And she's giving hope to basically a lot of people in Michigan.
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that you can just train at a boxing gym and you can be a pro
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fighter and you can be
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on big stages and i think that's like a big it's not just women
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per se i think
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she's showing people in the midwest like you can you know you
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can achieve you can
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SPEAKER_01: throw shows out here the world will watch these shows and i think that's
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interesting because you know how many fighters from michigan
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ended up in las vegas
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SPEAKER_01: la new york and it's like she's
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Silently kind of really along with Salida focused on being a
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major focus of this
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SPEAKER_01: era in the Midwest.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think when it's all said and done,
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SPEAKER_01: there's going to be Midwest fighters that say,
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SPEAKER_01: oh,
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SPEAKER_01: I went to a Clarissa Shields show growing up.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think that was very deliberate.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think the sad thing is when she's closer to being done,
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SPEAKER_01: people are going to understand her influence.
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So I highly recommend people watching her fight because she's
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probably going to be
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SPEAKER_01: one of the most written about boxers once she's done.
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SPEAKER_01: People don't write about her now,
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SPEAKER_01: but when she's done with her career,
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I think she's going to be one of the most talked about and
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celebrated fighters,
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SPEAKER_01: sadly.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, and some of that is just not.
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SPEAKER_00: Again,
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having compelling matchups that people get excited about
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outside of maybe Savannah Marshall.
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But some of that just speaks to like she's just sort of a level
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above and you can't,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: there's other fighters that have just been a level of,
1:05:53
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Vladimir Klitschko for a decade was just a level above everybody else.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's not his fault that he was just better.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's kind of some of what she's suffering from.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Where can people find you this week, Dakota?
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SPEAKER_00: You can always find me at the Slippin' Wee Podcast,
1:06:09
SPEAKER_00: at ITR Boxing,
1:06:10
SPEAKER_00: on the Lukey Boxing Show,
1:06:12
SPEAKER_00: YouTube,
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SPEAKER_00: Instagram.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_00: That's where you can find me, bub.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_00: Go check out my interview with Coach John Pullman.
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SPEAKER_00: We did a great podcast last week, and I really enjoy talking to him.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_01: That's my guy, man.
1:06:25
SPEAKER_01: I like a little John Pullman in my life.
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SPEAKER_01: Good YouTube channel, by the way.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_01: People should go subscribe to his YouTube channel.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_01: Very helpful.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: Just a saint of a man.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_01: Go to his Venmo.
1:06:37
SPEAKER_01: Give him some money.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_01: But that's the show.
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SPEAKER_01: Any final thoughts?
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SPEAKER_00: Hell of a couple of weeks we got here, Bob, right?
1:06:44
SPEAKER_00: We're really starting to open up for the year.
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SPEAKER_01: There we go.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Talk to you guys soon.
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SPEAKER_01: This is Lukey and Dakota.
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SPEAKER_01: We will be back maybe if the cards fall right.
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We'll be back after the main event,
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but more than likely we'll be back on Sunday.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_01: But maybe,
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SPEAKER_01: just maybe,
1:07:00
SPEAKER_01: if our schedules line up and everything's good,
1:07:02
SPEAKER_01: we might be able to do a quick post-fight to feed the beast.
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SPEAKER_01: We will see.
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SPEAKER_01: That is a developing story.
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SPEAKER_01: See you guys next week.