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Episode #141: Wireless Food Supply & Medical Cost Sharing with Charles Frohman · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_02: One thing activists in Health Freedom learn is that industry doesn't have accountability.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, no matter how grievous the injury from a vaccine or from electromagnetic radiation, neither pharma nor telecom are liable uh for their harms.
0:18
SPEAKER_01: The effects of these kinds of frequencies are literally the cutting edge of understanding right now because not only are they new, but we're starting to see the new causes of them.
0:29
SPEAKER_01: Just like we didn't know the causes of DDT until it was invented, and then it took a few years to link it to, you know, eagle eggs that wouldn't hatch and three-legged salamanders.
0:39
SPEAKER_01: So we see this slinky effect.
0:41
SPEAKER_01: We invent something, and then there's this kind of lag until you start seeing the consequences of that invention.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: Is that what we're seeing right here?
0:50
SPEAKER_01: Kind of a lag, a lag, and the FCC doesn't want to update to a new, the new understanding of uh of what's acceptable.
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SPEAKER_00: Hi, everybody, welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels.
1:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Cena McKella.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm here with our favorite farmer, Joel Salatin.
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SPEAKER_00: And today we have a very special guest.
1:12
SPEAKER_00: Today we have Charles Froman on.
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SPEAKER_00: He is actually a lobbyist for the world's oldest health freedom organization.
1:21
SPEAKER_00: It is called the National Health Federation.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: He is also the seller of an Obamacare alternative that was featured in Forbes magazine.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: He also hosts the weekly Freedom Hub show.
1:36
SPEAKER_00: Now, as you remember, Joel and I recently did an entire podcast on how antennas and like EMFs are being are spreading out into our farmlands and potentially affecting our the animals and the crops, basically the foods that we eat.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: We wanted Charles to come on today to discuss a couple topics.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: One is he is going to give us an update on what is happening legislatively with these telecom bills.
2:03
SPEAKER_00: And then we're going to dive into this Obamacare medical cost sharing alternative.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, the reason we have Charles on talking about this is because Charles is taking the lead.
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SPEAKER_00: He's lobbying against the telecoms congressional bills that are deploying these antennas outside of our bedrooms, classrooms, parks, and farms that, as Charles says, are going to spy on us, cry and cohere, trapping Americans in a digital prison.
2:34
SPEAKER_00: So, Charles, welcome to the show.
2:36
SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
2:37
SPEAKER_02: Such a happy topic to discuss.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll turn it into a positive.
2:41
SPEAKER_00: Like that's mine and Joel's thing.
2:43
SPEAKER_00: Don't you worry about it.
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SPEAKER_00: So, Charles, let's go ahead and jump right in.
2:48
SPEAKER_00: Can you please give us um an update?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, what bills are there currently in Congress that are going to potentially deploy all these antennas into all these spaces and give us an update on their status, please?
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I know time is short.
3:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, I can go on longer if you guys need to, but it's good to see Joel.
3:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I met him in 2016 when I uh coerced him to join my advisory council for Our America Initiative, the nonprofit Governor Gary Johnson formed to raise his profile to run for president.
3:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and he was uh great to help us out there with any kind of local farm advice.
3:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh finally, I got him on my Freedom Hub show in 2019 to really tell us about the craft food movement.
3:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh, libertarians like Joel and me were just sick of all these obnoxious raids on local farms, just trying to please customers with what we want, raw milk, et cetera.
3:45
SPEAKER_02: And I remember that show from Joel.
3:48
SPEAKER_02: He talked about the importance of the microbiome and the emancipation proclamate proclamation for food.
3:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, we both are libertarians and believe in freedom, but you know, with freedom comes accountability.
4:03
SPEAKER_02: And one thing activists in Health Freedom learn is that industry doesn't have accountability.
4:09
SPEAKER_02: Uh, no matter how grievous the injury from a vaccine or from electromagnetic radiation, neither pharma nor telecom are liable uh for their harms.
4:22
SPEAKER_02: And I know recently Joel and I had a bit of a disagreement on the rumored uh vaccination of livestock by the gene modifying therapy called the COVID vaccine.
4:34
SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, Missouri ended up trying to ban such Franken vaccination of the livestock.
4:41
SPEAKER_02: And thankfully, just like with the non-GMO project, there are companies, ethical companies, now advertising a promise never to contaminate their food with such diabolical vaccination.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: I know we both know holistic veterinarians like Will Winter, who are leading the charge to upgrade farmers in their practice.
5:03
SPEAKER_02: And I think it's also a dynamic between factory farms and local farms that want to do a better job with regenerative farming.
5:11
SPEAKER_02: Now, to answer your question, I know the radio frequency uh issue that unites uh your group and ours is the radio frequency identification scheme by the Ag Department to electronically track all the livestock.
5:25
SPEAKER_02: And our mutual friend Tom Massey, Kentucky congressman, is leading the charge in Congress to oppose the Ag Department scheme to track all the cattle.
5:36
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh the House has passed a bill HR 1339 to carpet our farms with the Internet of Things, with a transmitter on the barn roof, uh sensors all through the crops, uh, all to connect farms with a fresh batch of satellites.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: Now, the problem with this bill is that farmers are oblivious to the risks of EMR.
6:01
SPEAKER_02: Um, hopefully they'll learn from our education that a court in Europe already has shut down a tower for culling uh 20% of a farmer's cows and depleting milk yield by 20%.
6:15
SPEAKER_02: And the judge shut down that tower.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, there are thousands of pages of scientific evidence of biological harm to humans and the environment that the DC Appeals Court has uh used to shut down the Federal Communication Commission's attempt to lie that their very old 1996 EMR exposure standards are adequate for today's technology.
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SPEAKER_02: So we're flying blind right now with inadequate exposure guidelines, and everyone is buying their iPhones and being suckered by these telecom companies to load their farms and now national parks with IoT, Internet of Things sensors, without any understanding of the dangers of EMR, the well-founded science behind the dangers.
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SPEAKER_02: 11,000 pages of scientific evidence of biological harm, including from our highest government officials at the National Toxicology Program, the equivalent agencies in Europe.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and basically, you know, Joel even said in our phone call that this uh wireless mesh is going to put Bill Gates' World Economic Council uh friends in charge of our domestic food supply.
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SPEAKER_02: It's gonna bankrupt farmers because the Internet of Things, the antennas last only five years.
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SPEAKER_02: It's gonna require upgrades.
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SPEAKER_02: Telecom builds in a marketing process called obsolescence, retiring old versions.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: Like 3G phones don't work anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: You have to upgrade to thousand-dollar phones and uh extra$1,000 for new antennas, sensors, transmitters.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, and the bankruptcy that's gonna result from this additional cost on farmers is gonna lead to just more purchases of domestic farmland by Bill Gates' globalist friends.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh also the um 5G is inherently insecure, as criticized by a former FCC commissioner.
8:14
SPEAKER_02: That's just gonna make our domestic food supply hackable.
8:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh, that's just what we need, uh, more hacking of our domestic food supply.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's dangerous as per as per the court order, both in the European court that shut down that tower for the French farmer and our own appeals court was shut down the FCC for trying to lie that the current exposure guidelines are adequate uh for today's growing wireless mesh.
8:40
SPEAKER_02: So um Charles, can I ask you a question on that?
8:43
SPEAKER_00: So the court, you said it what you said it was 1100 pages of uh evidence?
8:50
SPEAKER_02: 11,000 pages of the case.
8:51
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so 11,000 pages of evidence, and this was put forth.
8:56
SPEAKER_00: Um this was put in front of the court.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: Is that right?
8:59
SPEAKER_00: And then the court decided you're saying the court actually declared that the telecommunication telecommunication industry was lying.
9:08
SPEAKER_02: Is that uh no?
9:09
SPEAKER_02: Um the the court remanded the FCC claim that its old guidelines don't need to be updated.
9:17
SPEAKER_02: And in the court order, the courts uh listed the 11,000 pages of evidence of harm to humans, the environment, and the children, and lack of long-term exposure studies as a reason for remanding the FCC's claim of adequacy.
9:35
SPEAKER_02: It's a complicated uh decision, but the court accepted evidence of harm and said, FCC, you haven't looked at this evidence.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: I am remanding or dismissing your claim of claim of adequacy of your exposure guidelines.
9:51
SPEAKER_02: So the FCC's exposure guidelines are not adequate, according to the court, the DC Appeals Court.
9:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and these and these um these benchmarks from the FCC, Charles, how old are those?
10:04
SPEAKER_02: Those are from 1996, which are based on even earlier studies.
10:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, so they're not even up to today's technology.
10:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
10:12
SPEAKER_01: So so a lot of this is this is a little bit similar to um, for example, new new evidence of toxicity, let's say, you know, pesticide X.
10:26
SPEAKER_01: All right, you know, uh years ago they said, well, you know, this this amount in your body is fine.
10:33
SPEAKER_01: And 30 years later we find out, oh uh no, that amount is not fine.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's similar to um uh hydrogenated vegetable oil is excellent.
10:44
SPEAKER_01: And now not only should you not drink much of it, they say you shouldn't have any of it.
10:49
SPEAKER_01: Um and so so that so these these uh benchmarks um are extremely outdated as I mean goodness, uh, you know, 200 years ago, we didn't even have these kinds of frequencies.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: Am I right about that?
11:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we didn't even have these kinds of frequencies.
11:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so so that so there was no there was no data um from that kind of stuff.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: So so the the the the literally the effects the effects of these kinds of frequencies, the effects are literally the cutting edge of of understanding right now, because not only are they new, but we're starting to see the new causes of them, just like we didn't know the causes of DDT until it was invented, and then it took a few years to link it to you know eagle eggs that wouldn't hatch and three-legged salamanders.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: So so we see this slinky effect, you know, we we invent something, and then there's this kind of lag until you start seeing the consequences of that invention.
11:59
SPEAKER_01: And that's exactly correct me if I'm wrong, is is that what we're seeing right here?
12:04
SPEAKER_01: Kind of a lag, a lag, and the FCC doesn't want to update to a new, to an to the new understanding of uh of what's acceptable.
12:15
SPEAKER_02: Yes, but but I would take it a bit farther.
12:17
SPEAKER_02: There is like with vaccines, suppression of the science.
12:21
SPEAKER_02: There have been studies, it's well founded.
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SPEAKER_02: If you interview Susan Clark, former researcher at Harvard on public health, the studies go back decades on the danger of EMR, electromagnetic radiation.
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SPEAKER_02: So the science is actually settled on the danger.
12:37
SPEAKER_02: What's happening as with vaccine dangers is the science is being suppressed and ignored.
12:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and just as with chronic disease exploding from 10% of the population in 1990 to over half the country by 2010, um, electromagnetic radiation sensitivity has exploded to a third of the country, with up to 5% uh being moderate to severe injury from EMR.
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SPEAKER_02: So we have an extremely dangerous situation, both with over-vaccination in humans and the livestock, and with the wireless mesh saturation uh with EMR.
13:18
SPEAKER_02: And you know, it's a silent killer.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh and this is going to be a catastrophe for the microbiome that I know is very important to you, Joel.
13:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, and just real fast, just so that everyone's following along with us, when you say EMR, you're talking about electromagnetic radiation.
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SPEAKER_00: And so you're talking about um everything from I'm asking you, you're talking about everything from cell phones to Wi-Fi routers to the cell towers with the antennas on them, to the tracking devices that would be put on the livestock, the sensors on the farms, even in the cars, you can take your EMF read meter in the newer cars and they emit EMFs, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Like I can stand there with my meter, have a car drive by, and my meter pings, right?
14:05
SPEAKER_00: We've got the smart meters that are that are out um, you know, for for our electricity.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think there's even like smart meters for water now, too, if I'm not mistaken.
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SPEAKER_00: So you're talking about when you say EMR, this electromagnetic radiation exposure, you're talking about though all of these sources, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And these are all relatively new in our culture.
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SPEAKER_00: As you're saying, we've seen this skyrocketing of diseases.
14:29
SPEAKER_00: I myself am sensitive to electromagnetic radiation.
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SPEAKER_00: So if I even go into a big shopping center, like where there's a target, for instance, and I walk in there, I will actually start getting queasy and very irritable very quickly because there's radiation.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: You're exposed to a lot of radiation when you walk into one of those, you know, those big super centers, um, super shopping centers.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: So this is what you're talking about, right, Charles?
14:55
SPEAKER_00: When you're talking about the EMF exposure, is this correct?
14:58
SPEAKER_02: I wish I had an image to share on the screen because it's very stark when you see a house enmeshed in the wireless mesh.
15:06
SPEAKER_02: So there's no escaping it because of what you just said.
15:10
SPEAKER_02: Yes, it's the synergistic effect from all of these devices, starting with the smart meter, which some states don't even allow you to opt out of.
15:19
SPEAKER_02: Virginia has a fake opt-out.
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SPEAKER_02: They give you a wireless meter that they claim isn't emitting EMR, but it does, and it also aggravates what's called dirty electricity.
15:30
SPEAKER_02: And I need to say right off the bat, it's not like we're trying to take your ball away.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: Everyone is addicted to the smartphones.
15:36
SPEAKER_02: And when they hear me talk or any activist talk, they shut down because they want the convenience.
15:42
SPEAKER_02: We're not trying to take away your router in your home, uh, your use and access to a cell phone.
15:49
SPEAKER_02: We will educate you how to mitigate, for example, everyone should turn off their routers at night.
15:53
SPEAKER_02: They should put their cell phones outside their bedroom and opt out of smart meters, and then work with your local governments to pass zoning that keeps cell towers safely far from your neighborhood, far from your schools, far from your parks, far from your farms.
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SPEAKER_02: And realize, and no one knows this, but on your phone bills over the past decade, there have been extra charges dedicated to wired connections to everyone's home.
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SPEAKER_02: Like we had with telephone lines a century ago.
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SPEAKER_02: Telecom has diverted your phone bill revenue from promised wired connections to wireless data monetization schemes.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: The irregular lawsuit exposed this and unleashed every state attorneys general to audit this malfeasance, claw back the money, and dig the fiber to your home.
16:53
SPEAKER_02: That's the solution for internet connectivity in the rural areas of fiber connection or cable.
17:01
SPEAKER_02: And also, 16 states, including Virginia, have erected barriers in Richmond in the legislature against local governments or co-ops or tribal governments from building their own fiber networks like we in Virginia have, just southwest of us in Chattanooga.
17:18
SPEAKER_02: They have their own municipal fiber that's resilient and is sustainable.
17:24
SPEAKER_02: And they lease out space to Telecom to earn money to allow them to cut prices for families with school-aged children.
17:33
SPEAKER_02: Telecom has brought our politicians to erect barriers to local solutions to internet connectivity, which makes it hard for us.
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SPEAKER_02: And they'll and telecom has other schemes.
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SPEAKER_02: They'll do what's called dark fiber.
17:46
SPEAKER_02: They'll dig a fiber connection to a cell tower or to other parts in the rural areas and keep it dark, and then just beg for more subsidies that Congress is ready to give.
17:57
SPEAKER_02: There's a huge infrastructure law right now called BEAD that every state now is fighting over to get you broadband.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: Telecom is fighting it.
18:05
SPEAKER_02: They want to have fiber to these towers and then make you put uh an antenna on your roof, your roof to transmit.
18:13
SPEAKER_02: It's deadly dangerous with the emissions.
18:16
SPEAKER_02: And to get these farmers begging for anything for the internet, internet connectivity.
18:21
SPEAKER_02: We have a pharma-like vaccine scam going on with telecom and broadband.
18:27
SPEAKER_02: It's a catastrophe.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: It's a trillion-dollar scam.
18:31
SPEAKER_02: And unfortunately, farmers want to keep up with the Joneses.
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SPEAKER_02: They're falling for the IoT scam.
18:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, the national parks are gonna be covered with antennas for the emergency connection scam.
18:44
SPEAKER_02: You don't need it.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: Every iPhone now can text 911.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: Um there it's it goes on and on.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: But suffice to say, health feeding people, we need your help to fight this wireless mesh because it's gonna be used to spy on you, it's gonna fry you, and it's gonna coerce your behavior in conjunction with preemption from the World Health Organization so they can give you a behavior score like communist China.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's gonna bankrupt the farmers, it's gonna lead to more factory farms, and like Joel has said before, it's gonna put Bill Gates and Tony Fauci's World Economic Forum friends in charge of our domestic food supply.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, you know, uh Cena, you mentioned uh uh how this affects you, you become irritable.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: Um uh you know, maybe maybe that's another uh issue here.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: Um I I I don't know that I'm I don't have a lot of uh electromagnetic whatever you know problems in me, but uh when I walk into a political room, uh I get irritable.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: There may be a confounding variable there.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: Maybe maybe that's the deal.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: But um, Charles, I think I think you've you've really um helped, you certainly helped my understanding here that this is not about taking away our electronic toys, but it is about delivering delivering the service in a way that's not as um as interventionist and as harmful.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh is that fair?
20:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean the status quo is okay.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, 4G towers exist on mountaintops in industrial zones that that we don't oppose.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: They emit radiation that goes nine miles.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: There is almost universal connection right now across the country, and then there are satellites.
20:46
SPEAKER_02: So between the satellites and the forgy towers that are safely located far away from bedrooms, classrooms, parks, and most farms, well, we have basic connectivity.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: Can it be better?
20:58
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
21:01
SPEAKER_02: How do you get better?
21:02
SPEAKER_02: With fiber and cable along with the satellites.
21:06
SPEAKER_02: You you need to dig the the you need to dig the the ditches to lay the fiber to the premise, to the house.
21:14
SPEAKER_02: It's been paid for.
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SPEAKER_02: Everyone had extra phone bill charges for the past decade on your landline bills to pay for fiber to everyone's premise.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: Telecom stole the money.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: And it's a controversy that has to be dealt with.
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SPEAKER_02: States have prohibited local governments, rural cooperatives, and tribal governments from erecting their own uh fiber networks.
21:39
SPEAKER_02: Make the states do their job before we fall for telecom's lies about needing a wireless mesh of antennas outside our bedrooms and classrooms and parks and farms that are gonna spy on us, fry us, and coerce our behavior uh for a social credit score.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: Uh we don't need it.
21:59
SPEAKER_02: Um
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SPEAKER_00: safe way to do it it exists it exists already we just gotta uh make telecom behave get the fiber out there to everyone's home and then teach people mitigation in their home so they can have their cell phones safely and in their cars so yeah that's that's the answer yeah we're actually building a house right now Charles and we we have fiber running to the home but we had to pay extra for them to be willing to run the fiber to our home and then we have ethernet remember the ethernet cables we have yeah that's that's the mitigation yes we're having them put ethernet cables in there so we don't have to have that wifi router on and whatnot so um so I'm happy to hear that we're part of the solution right like Charles approved solution but so Charles I have a cell phone I use it I'm not taking away anyone's convenience but you gotta be smart about it I don't want to take away your vaccines but I want you to be aware of over vaccination's role in the real epidemic chronic disease yeah like Joel and I say informed consent right we don't see and Joel's showing his flip phone he has a flip cell phone that's even better that's better it's better it's better um and so and and Charles Joel and I I'm sure it could resonate with this because we're all about informed consent you know we're both libertarians and it's your choice you know it's your life it's your health it's your choice we're just here to help give informed consent and we'll support what you choose.
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SPEAKER_00: Now for people who are listening and you mentioned this 11,000 page document that has um that's evidence of harm is that a document that is available to the public like can somebody listening right now go and find that document and read it so they can learn more about this data that already exists that um that's showing harm from EMR?
23:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I'll I'll put it in chat it's uh my National Health Federation sample email you can send to your politician uh right now uh and it has links including to that court case perfect um I'll include that in the show notes um for everybody and then um one follow-up question on that so after the DC Appeals Court you know had that 11,000 page document and they said to the telecom industry that you know your your standards are out of date pretty much what is there any follow-up there like do does now the telecommunication industry have to make changes or it's just oh you didn't you know you're not up to code and that's it there's no accountability behind that a a a a federal appeals court uh can remand a bureaucracy for misbehaving um but it can't make the bureaucracy behave that has to come from pressure from politicians or the public so uh there is an effort afoot to get politicians to write to the FCC to study the evidence to update their exposure guidelines.
25:01
SPEAKER_02: We have amendments we're pushing because there's so many telecom bills.
25:06
SPEAKER_02: And I haven't asked for your audience if you want to help uh the the coalition there's a national call for state technology coalition of groups including mine that are lobbying every week.
25:16
SPEAKER_02: In fact I'll invite you to tomorrow's call with Klein of Harrisonburg we have a 1 p.m zoom with them you're welcome to join in and learn.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: And we'll do the we'll do the talking Odette Wilkins and I and Mary Bauer a radio frequency engineer in Stafford County she's a national nationwide expert on this.
25:33
SPEAKER_02: We'll do the talking you'll learn by osmosis um but we need your help to schedule meetings uh to get these politicians to care because the problem is there hasn't been a COVID catastrophe to make anyone care about wireless risk.
25:47
SPEAKER_02: I'm lobbying I have a bill in Congress to create a national exemption from vaccines and to force the government to look at the comparison studies with the unvaxxed which shows the chronic disease with the vaxxed and zero chronic disease with the unvexed um but you know I have a I have a momentum because of COVID's catastrophe people are awake there hasn't been a catastrophe to wake up people to wireless but it's just as dangerous.
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SPEAKER_01: So um people can work with me on the vaccine issue or the homeopathy issue thank you very much for your presentation with NHF before natural compounding I'm involved with pesticides Joel and the Farm Bill people that's uh that's my topic coming up NHF um you know I sell uh sharing with health savings accounts I I lobby that lobby that issue as well on I'm health feed them all over the place um but um I also know what the biggest threat is right now and it's the uh wireless mesh that's gonna trap us in a digital prison and no one cares or understands the the the gravity of the situation yeah uh Charles I know we want to move on to the to the medical cost sharing thing but uh as a as a farmer that has cattle uh we fought this uh RFID um ear tag thing back I don't know what uh eight nine years ago and um and and and I I think our side won I mean it kind of died and went away and um is this is this being resurrected in all its former glory in this new farm bill or is it some sort of stripped down model?
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Well you know Judith McCreary at Farfa yeah she's the expert on this and she just did a um an email yesterday warning that it's back um whether from the ag department or through the farm bill uh you know the factory farmers like any other industry the cartel big players run the government so they they want it so they're gonna get it and make life heck for family and local business it's just you know government's not a tool for the people it's a tool for the powerful so yeah it's bad um and you know Tom Massey tried to fight it in the appropriations bill that we supported he tried he tried to fight edible vaccines as well he's such a hero yeah um but you know that's the lead in conversation for the wireless issue with farmers you know you know about RFID tagging it gets worse um you know we we they we we say geofencing uh farmers want a geofense you don't need HR 1339 to geofence you can geofense right now with GPS receiver on your cattle's neck and a local private wireless network okay so that's current law status quo you don't need a bill to enable that right um if you want to do that that's available right now so that's not a reason to pass this bill um but yeah we need to work together um factory uh local farmers health freedom safe tech we're all on the same page if that bill passed are you talking about HR 1339 if it does pass does it uh mandate every farmer has to implement these tracking devices or is it uh certain size farms who is it um that's the farm bill um I don't know offhand you know asked Judith at Farfa on the RFID I just use the topic of RFID to lead into the bigger threat of the IoT in the farms uh so RFID is not my focus that's just to lead into the Internet of Things uh coming with HR 13309 uh that in conjunction with satellites is going to lead to transmitter sensors IoT in the farms um uh for that kind of we call microwave ecology well yeah well yeah okay HR 1339 um uh uh enables enables the development of this system so they could come onto a piece of property for example by imminent domain and erect a tower am I right about that um no I mean the eminent domain would be an indirect connection to this as farmers um accepting the opportunity of HR 1339 building IoT will probably want a local tower to facilitate it and there is always pressure with local governments to zone an area to to permit a tower to enable that so it's all tied together a lot of indirect connections not direct uh but you have to stop each direct threat or you're gonna get this slow build of the wireless mesh on the farm so it's a combination of the farm bill RFID pressure from the Ag Department HR 1339 to enable IoT with satellites on the farms local zoning that's gonna be more permitting uh of towers getting closer and closer to rural areas and towns um there's a lot of vectors involved in this conversation it's not a simple okay fair enough answer fair enough all right Cena let's move on to the um uh move on to the health awesome yeah we don't have that much time left but I know a lot of our listeners are going to be interested in this we've got we've received a lot of um questions over time about alternatives to the healthcare system so can you share um what is your Obamacare alternative and how can people participate well um it's not just about an alternative to Obamacare which is nice because a lot of people don't want to buy something called Obamacare uh it is a name for health insurance and a lot of people think you need health insurance for the major medical hospitalization cost but that is not true.
32:01
SPEAKER_02: The expense of Obamacare a decade ago chased millions of mostly small entrepreneurs uh into what are called religious sharing ministries uh some of which grew so large that they had a budget to advertise on conservative radio shows like Sean Hannity's program or the late Rush Limbaugh people may be familiar with companies like MetaShare or Liberty or Samaritans and whenever you have a maturation of an industry you have new players and there have come onto the market secular sharing companies that we licensed health insurance agents use now not just for families but also for businesses and now even big businesses.
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SPEAKER_02: So the metaphor is credit unions people know they don't have to go to a bank for deposits or checking accounts they can go instead to credit unions for the same um now you don't need health insurance for your cancer and expensive accidents you can get a sharing plan medical cost sharing and it just so happens you know Forbes magazine featured how we combine sharing with the very popular health savings account HSA which sophisticated people know is a tech shelter for retirement uh for everyone else it's a way to accumulate money and roll it over it over every year to have thousands of dollars available for your out of pocket costs dentistry urging care um uh uh elective procedures etc um but that's what I sell um you know it costs 250 a month per head on average so that's a good price for people people like having a health savings account to build 100 grand for retirement and people know that you could use it for long-term care costs that's gonna hit hit a lot of us people aren't prepared for long-term care or if you're healthy you could use it to buy a boat or a second home or a second farm in a polyphase farm so you know the ASA is a really popular vehicle and I sell it with the sharing and the beauty of the sharing I don't lead on price I lead on I lead on choice because one thing no one knows about Obamacare is it restricts your choice.
34:24
SPEAKER_02: And that's because health insurance has networks which means if you got cancer or heart disease you have to find a hospital or specialist in your network and you might not want to go to the choices given to you.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: With sharing we make you into a cash shopping patient which as a libertarian Joel is critical to create a supply and demand in healthcare which does not exist right now.
34:49
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of holla hullabaloo about exposing bundle pricing to help you shop on price.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: So we make you into a cash price uh shopper which means you can go wherever you want worldwide which is also important for those of us who are smart and don't want to go to an oncologist for cancer we're gonna we're going to Tijuana on my weekly show I've hosted these entrepreneurs Gideon Krautz has the Natural Cancer Treatment Therapy Center in Tijuana there's other places worldwide if you're a cash shopper there's no limit where you can go worldwide and smart patients want that control.
35:24
SPEAKER_02: So what I'm offering isn't just an Obamacare alternative I'm offering you control of your health care.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah that's so wonderful Charles you know we uh yeah we're we're a perfect example you know we're a small business uh and we're a perfect example of somebody that got kicked out of Obamacare when it came in I I hate insurance I just don't like all that stuff and so uh I was seeing you know it's gonna be good it's gonna be bad it's gonna be good it's gonna be bad and uh so I said you know what we're just gonna wait see what happens and from from at midnight on December 31st or whatever you know at 1201 a.m January 1st when Obamacare went in um our insurance jumped from whatever you know 20 000 a year to like 33000 and we were out and so we're a perfect example of somebody that that that that absolutely got kicked out of health insurance from you know with with Obamacare.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: So we went shopping and and uh we've landed we we landed at the time uh with uh Samaritan Ministries we've been we've been with Samaritan uh since um and and have have very much liked them uh and and we've got got some good stereo so I won't bring those on right here my question to you is uh Samaritan of course is a religious uh faith based program has a lot of questions does does do all of these health sharing programs have the stipulations about lifestyle about uh whatever you know um do do they my understanding is a lot of the cost savings is because they they don't um or or they screen let's say they screen for lifestyle things and so is that is is that also in these in the secular ones yes uh although it's different so the religious area ministries don't guarantee issue uh if you have certain health problems they'll deny you um the secular ones and by the way the secular one we first used uh Sidera at our brokerage emanated from Samaritans their price shopper Tony Dale a British physician at the Keras group realized the math works it should be available to the secular market and the business business business market um how we screen is a phase in of pre-existing conditions so any condition you've had over the past two years is going to require you to pay us uh a year where there's no help for you and then the second year it will give you a set amount$25,000$5000 year three and a cap annual of 125K every year thereafter that's only for the conditions you had in the past two years.
38:17
SPEAKER_02: Everything else is immediate uh protection there are some exemptions to that phase in so if your diabetes cholesterol or blood pressure are controlled and haven't hospitalized you during that two year window look back, um you're good to go from date of eligibility.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: Some of my prospects I warn yeah your your cancer, your heart disease is too risky I'm gonna suggest Obamacare for you.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: Some people will double dip uh because we're only 250 a month they'll get my plan now because you know with the religious plans like you have you can't have a health savings account.
38:58
SPEAKER_02: You can with mine because we don't operate under the religious exemption from Obamacare.
39:03
SPEAKER_02: We add something called a MEC, a minimal essential coverage piece which brings compliance and a structure that allows for the health savings account.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: So I tell religious uh patients like you if you want to switch any month to get a health savings account which is the best vehicle to build a hundred grand by retirement you can switch any month um and there will be a two-year look back so if that's a problem think twice or get both Obamacare keep that for a year during the phase in and then after the phase in is over get rid of Obamacare and you've got sharing and there and thus choice choice is the important thing you want when you get cancer or heart disease yeah absolutely uh listen you know I um I know we're pressed on time but but I know this is across the spectrum um and different ones different ones uh are more or less amenable to unorthodox things but we had a friend with one of these cost sharing uh things and found a a specialist in Spain that in this in this particular autoimmune disorder that she had and and her uh cost sharing not only paid for her plane ticket to go over but a friend to go with her to spend the week at the clinic and come home you'd have never gotten that and she's doing great now um but you'd have never gotten that from Obamacare or any kind of traditional you know American health system you wouldn't have had that choice and and so uh I totally agree what's the what's the name of your uh of your group uh well I have a link that that we can put in the show notes uh our our brokerage um and this is important I warn people not to go direct with any sharing organization because sometimes they have problems so we actually moved our thousands of members out of one sharing organization and into another because of those problems um and if you skip us you're not gonna get the help of our concierge that's gonna help you for the costs below the deductible well we call it something else it's called the IUA initial unsharable amount so whether sharing or Obamacare you're gonna pay the first thousand or through or 2500 or 5,000 and Cena knows that a lot of the bulk of people's health costs are below$5,000.
41:37
SPEAKER_02: And if your specialist wants you to get a test or go see a specialist here and there, you're gonna want our concierge shopper assistant to help hold your hand on how to save money, how to find well quality specialist, how to use our free telemedicine.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: So I'll put you know I'm empowering benefits, you know, our brokerage in the show notes so that you could talk to us, see which sharing vendor is best for you because we use a couple different ones.
42:05
SPEAKER_02: We use the top two ones every other agent uses in LinkedIn.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: At LinkedIn all of us high quality insurance agents are always uh arguing and there's only two sharing companies that we'll use in the country Sedera and Zion.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: We won't use anyone else because those are the only two good ones uh frankly for the wide secular audience that allows the health savings accounts is very good on what you discussed medical tourism um and we'll go back and forth because sometimes Zion causes trouble sometimes Sedera causes trouble and we're looking for new ones too that are coming on like New Health that pays for integrated doctors and naturopaths.
42:46
SPEAKER_02: So it's a really maturing and growing market it's important to work with a brokerage like ours that has a niche that really puts the pressure on the insurance organizations to perform because they don't always perform.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: So you don't want to be stuck with one and then they have problems.
43:04
SPEAKER_02: They may go tight on the medical tourism they may go tight on the natural care you want.
43:09
SPEAKER_02: They're always changing their guidelines.
43:12
SPEAKER_02: So it's not a one size fits all situation.
43:14
SPEAKER_02: So our brokerage is a ticket to having good protection always no matter which vendor we use we use a lot of vendors we use telemedicine vendors uh medical vault vendors to keep your records um um counseling vendors concierge shopping vendors we have a bunch of them healthcare blue book crater savos we're always making them compete against each other pharmacy finders that's the biggest headache everyone is on drugs and gain pressure to try novel drugs and they're expensive and not every discount pharma finder works for every drug so that's a big overhead cost of our brokerage is helping you find drugs below the cost of the sharing vendor.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you're going to want to go to our brokerage because your costs start below$5,000, which is where most of these sharing operations start.
44:10
SPEAKER_00: Uh Charles, is your Oh, go ahead, Joel.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Steena.
44:14
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Cena.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
44:15
SPEAKER_00: Does your cost sharing program, aside from prescription drugs, would it cover things like herbal remedies and other supplements?
44:24
SPEAKER_02: No.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: Again, we don't we don't use the verb cover because we don't want to be regulated by the uh obnoxious insurance commissioners or the attorneys general who will shut down sharing companies if they abuse uh patients, uh like lying to them, which a lot of insurance agents will do just to get to the business.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, no industry is immune from corruption and bad behavior by salesmen.
44:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, but you're gonna use your health savings account for the low-level cost and natural cost.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: You know, with a health savings account, you probably know this, you need to get a letter of necessity from the provider in case you're audited.
45:01
SPEAKER_02: You know, the IRS has a 213D section for permissible expenses under a health savings account.
45:08
SPEAKER_02: So there's there's no perfect panacea yet.
45:11
SPEAKER_02: We do the best we can to package the best.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: Now, what uh part two of the answer is if you do get the cancer or heart disease, you can go not only to Spain or elsewhere for medical tourism, but you can go to alternative therapists as long as there's a letter justifying the expense.
45:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh, our sharing vendors are very open-minded on use of alternative therapies in recovery from expensive incidents like cancer or heart disease.
45:38
SPEAKER_02: And that and that's gonna be really important going forward because more and more people are gonna want to have alternative therapies for the expensive stuff.
45:44
SPEAKER_02: But for the low-level stuff, you're gonna use your health savings account because it's not gonna rise to five thousand dollars, which is when the sharing kicks in.
45:52
SPEAKER_02: Remember, sharing is major medical, it's not low-level stuff.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:57
SPEAKER_01: So, so most of the the incentive here, I mean, this is a self-serving thing because most of the time, uh the the medical tourism that you're describing is actually a lot cheaper than the uh than the typical health costs of an American hospital.
46:14
SPEAKER_01: So uh, so um you know there's an incentive for the company to uh allow that.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh one my final question here is uh if I coin uh I mean right now in our American industries, we you know we we send our check to individuals, to individual uh people.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh is that the way this works, or does the check every month go to a central hub and that's it?
46:39
SPEAKER_02: The central hub, so our sharing vendors uh take care of the um financial transactions.
46:47
SPEAKER_02: Um and we'll have incentives to cut your out of pocket if you let us use Healthcare Blue Book to find you a high-quality hospital or specialist for a surgery.
46:57
SPEAKER_02: And then the uh sharing vendor will pay the provider directly, which can be important because if you're ever hospitalized with an expensive incident, um, you'll be getting lots of bills at different times, and it gets confusing.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: Um, so we're you know using our concierge shopping service is important, it's gonna save you money, it's also gonna get you good quality, highly rated doctors and hospitals.
47:25
SPEAKER_02: And the the ratings really diverge, and it's not easy to find quality ratings.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: That's another topic.
47:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, Charles, I have one last question.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: This is a really basic question uh for me.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh, this is not really my area.
47:40
SPEAKER_00: My husband more or less handles you know the medical financial part.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: But so my question for you is we've looked into medical cost sharing in the past because I'm very intrigued by this.
47:51
SPEAKER_00: And now when you're bringing up medical choice, like this just really resonates deeply with me.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: It's something that I am and desperately seeking.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: In the past, the companies that my husband has worked for said that even if we went out and we paid out of our own pocket to do this medical cost sharing system, that they would still take money from his uh paycheck to pay for whatever health insurance I guess they're required, the the employees required to have to have.
48:22
SPEAKER_00: Is that actually is that true?
48:24
SPEAKER_00: Do you still have to pay?
48:26
SPEAKER_00: Like if you're working for a company, you still have to let them take the money out of your paycheck to pay for whatever it is they're paying for for medical coverage?
48:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, it depends on the company, but yes.
48:36
SPEAKER_02: Um so I don't really sell to people, employees, or spouses with company plans because that's free money.
48:44
SPEAKER_02: With me, you're gonna pay$250 a month at least.
48:47
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's gonna be$550 for a family plan a month, uh, which is less than Obamacare, but with Obamacare, sometimes you get a subsidy for your premium, which doesn't apply it to deductible, which is on average six grand with Obamacare.
49:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, but some folks uh just want the sharing, even despite having access to an employer plan, especially for the spouse, because a lot of employers are cost sharing.
49:12
SPEAKER_02: They they steal our language to confuse people.
49:14
SPEAKER_02: They're imposing uh uh more cost on the spouse to access the employer plan.
49:20
SPEAKER_02: So you may have to pay$300,$400 a month just to access your husband's plan.
49:25
SPEAKER_02: Well, in that case, you may say, yeah, forget that.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm getting sharing.
49:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I won't sell Obamacare.
49:31
SPEAKER_02: I find it unethical to give you a subject you to a network.
49:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:37
SPEAKER_02: That means if you get cancer or heart disease, you don't get to choose the doctor you want.
49:41
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of folks want to go to the Cleveland Clinic.
49:42
SPEAKER_02: Well, they're not on your plan, sorry.
49:45
SPEAKER_02: Or they want to go to Spain or Tijuana.
49:48
SPEAKER_02: You know, my aunts from Texas go to Merida, Yucatan for teeth work, you know.
49:55
SPEAKER_02: Um it's unethical.
49:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh to me, Obamacare is a backstop for the sick, which is fine.
50:00
SPEAKER_02: Before Obamacare, there were risk pools.
50:02
SPEAKER_02: There always have been backstops for the sick because if you're uninsurable, you're uninsurable, whether it's a house fire, a car, or whatever.
50:11
SPEAKER_02: Um and so that's that.
50:17
SPEAKER_02: Now we now what you could do is in is introduce your boss to me, and with something Trump expanded called ICRA, individual coverage health reimbursement arrangement, I can upgrade the company plan so healthy people can get sharing and get choice and affordability and a health savings account.
50:37
SPEAKER_02: And then sick people have Obamacare as a backstop.
50:40
SPEAKER_02: Or, like I said earlier, you can double dip if you're sick.
50:43
SPEAKER_02: You can get both.
50:44
SPEAKER_02: Get the sharing now and Obamacare in case something comes up from your pre-ex, pre-existing, and that phase in period.
50:52
SPEAKER_02: And then if you're healthy in the first two years, you dump the Obamacare and you've got sharing for the rest of your life.
51:00
SPEAKER_02: And it's a it's an individual plan.
51:02
SPEAKER_02: So the boss is not giving you a group plan.
51:05
SPEAKER_02: They're paying what's called a list bill, a bill with a list of everyone on the sharing.
51:10
SPEAKER_02: But if you leave the company, you take the sharing with you.
51:13
SPEAKER_02: So it's yours for life.
51:15
SPEAKER_02: At least until Medicare.
51:17
SPEAKER_02: At least until Medicare.
51:19
SPEAKER_02: Everyone dumps you on Medicare when you're 65, unfortunately.
51:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh not Samaritan Ministries.
51:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm still on Samaritan and I'm I'm uh well over 65, and I'm not taking any Medicare.
51:33
SPEAKER_02: I don't think they advertise that, but uh yes, uh a couple companies that's an advantage over us.
51:39
SPEAKER_02: Um it's good to hear Samaritans won't dump you onto Medic uh Medicare.
51:44
SPEAKER_02: Most sharing vendors will.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, they they haven't dumped us and we've we've elected.
51:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, it's a bummer.
51:51
SPEAKER_01: We've paid into this who knows how many thousands of dollars for all of our working life, but I just I just do not want to go into a well, I'm with you.
52:00
SPEAKER_01: I want choice.
52:00
SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't want to go into a system that's gonna uh demand where I go.
52:05
SPEAKER_01: And so we're continue we're continuing to pay uh for our program, even though we're eligible for um for Medicare.
52:13
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's good to know.
52:14
SPEAKER_01: I mean and have paid into it and have paid into it.
52:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I may advise people at age 64 to go to Samaritans then.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, they've been they've been great.
52:25
SPEAKER_02: Because uh, you know, if you if you try to join Medicare late, they penalize you for missed months.
52:31
SPEAKER_02: What it's awful, yeah.
52:34
SPEAKER_02: It's they want you, they want the healthy old people in the pool.
52:38
SPEAKER_02: So if you don't join on time, you're gonna pay more if you wait every month.
52:43
SPEAKER_02: It's it's a scam.
52:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, it's all it's all government's a government's a scam.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, okay.
52:52
SPEAKER_01: Cena, we got we gotta close this.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: Charles, you have been delightful.
52:56
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for giving us your wisdom and your time and your your expertise here.
53:01
SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's just a delight to spend time with you.
53:04
SPEAKER_02: Legacy and Joel, been delight.
53:06
SPEAKER_02: You guys are heroes.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: Great.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: And Charles, um, I'll put the links in the description box, but uh so everyone can follow you um and and show up to the meetings and help put pressure on the on our political representatives.
53:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, just real fast though, tell us your website.
53:21
SPEAKER_00: Like how can they um reach out to you right now?
53:23
SPEAKER_02: You know, the easiest way is LinkedIn.
53:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh just look up Charles D.
53:26
SPEAKER_02: From and middle, middle initial D's and David.
53:29
SPEAKER_02: Friend, friend me there.
53:30
SPEAKER_02: I got a lot of ventures and we'll work together somehow.
53:34
SPEAKER_00: That's wonderful.
53:35
SPEAKER_00: I'll and I just joined LinkedIn, so I'll go friend you.
53:39
SPEAKER_00: But no, this this is great.
53:40
SPEAKER_00: Charles, thank you so much for all your knowledge, like Joel said.
53:43
SPEAKER_00: And we'd love to have you come back on the show and keep giving us updates about what's happening, uh, particularly in this wireless space.
53:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm with you.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: This is this isn't gonna be like, oh, I can just choose organic over conventional, right?
53:57
SPEAKER_00: This is blanketing us.
53:59
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be really hard to shield yourself really quickly.
54:03
SPEAKER_01: So our our county, yeah, and our county is having hearings on this right now.
54:09
SPEAKER_01: We are right in the thick of zoning uh on on this very issue.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: So um, so I've got a whole sheaf of material here, and um, and indications are that that uh our supervisors are are enough.
54:25
SPEAKER_01: People went to the initial that they did a they step back and instead of just you know rubber stamping, they're now oh, we may better look at this.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: And so we we've got a little bit of momentum here locally.
54:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's fantastic.
54:38
SPEAKER_00: And you know, and I want to actually uh bring our community into this.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: You know, we have a community forum now that we've launched, so um, I'm gonna put this question up there, but we want to know what's happening in your neighborhoods too.
54:52
SPEAKER_00: So go ahead and post on that community forum under that question of what do you see happening in your area?
54:58
SPEAKER_00: Are you seeing these antennas being uh being constructed?
55:02
SPEAKER_00: Are you hearing that um they're having votes on zoning?
55:06
SPEAKER_00: Are people even thinking about it?
55:07
SPEAKER_00: Is it uh is it on their radar right now?
55:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, so go ahead and and post to that uh particular forum page because we want to know what's happening in your community too, so we can all join Charles and work together to create a safer environment for all of us.
55:23
SPEAKER_00: Our food, all the way down to the worms, right?
55:26
SPEAKER_01: Joel, Joel's beloved worms the actin's actinoma actinomy C T.
55:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:31
SPEAKER_01: All right.
55:32
SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
55:32
SPEAKER_01: Thank you all.
55:33
SPEAKER_01: Thank you all very much.
55:34
SPEAKER_01: Gotta run.
55:35
SPEAKER_01: I know Charles needs to run too.
55:37
SPEAKER_00: Okay, we'll see you next week.
55:38
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
55:38
SPEAKER_01: Till next time.
55:39
SPEAKER_02: Thanks a lot, guys.